subject:"Overrides"

I have a large number of legacy FrameMaker documents to be converted to a 
template. In the legacy docs, character tags were almost never used. Instead, 
they used used Ctrl-I, Ctrl-b, and a variety of settings in the Character 
Designer (but never creating a new tag).

I was hoping I could use Find Character Overrides to locate these, but it finds 
everything! And by everything, I mean it selects everything in a paragraph up 
to the font change, the next Find selects the changed text, and the next Find 
selects everything remaining in the paragraph. Searching for character format 
overrides using Silicon Prairie's Character Tools behaves the same way.

I can't believe this is how this was meant to work. Am I missing something?

Is there a way to find untagged character overrides? (Other than searching for 
italic, then bold, then caps, then various spreads, then superscripts, etc.)

Thanks for any help.

Pat Christenson
Resource Coordinator
Fitzgerald Marketing and Communications
pchristen...@ftportfolios.com

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SOLVED: Find Character Overrides (FrameMaker 10)

Never mind. I feel like a dope.

The strange behavior occurred because I was working in a document with missing 
fonts.

Pat


From: Christenson, Pat
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 3:52 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Find Character Overrides (FrameMaker 10)

I have a large number of legacy FrameMaker documents to be converted to a 
template. In the legacy docs, character tags were almost never used. Instead, 
they used used Ctrl-I, Ctrl-b, and a variety of settings in the Character 
Designer (but never creating a new tag).

I was hoping I could use Find Character Overrides to locate these, but it finds 
everything! And by everything, I mean it selects everything in a paragraph up 
to the font change, the next Find selects the changed text, and the next Find 
selects everything remaining in the paragraph. Searching for character format 
overrides using Silicon Prairie's Character Tools behaves the same way.

I can't believe this is how this was meant to work. Am I missing something?

Is there a way to find untagged character overrides? (Other than searching for 
italic, then bold, then caps, then various spreads, then superscripts, etc.)

Thanks for any help.

Pat Christenson
Resource Coordinator
Fitzgerald Marketing and Communications
pchristen...@ftportfolios.commailto:pchristen...@ftportfolios.com

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Find Character Overrides (FrameMaker 10)

I have a large number of legacy FrameMaker documents to be converted to a 
template. In the legacy docs, character tags were almost never used. Instead, 
they used used Ctrl-I, Ctrl-b, and a variety of settings in the Character 
Designer (but never creating a new tag).

I was hoping I could use Find Character Overrides to locate these, but it finds 
everything! And by everything, I mean it selects everything in a paragraph up 
to the font change, the next Find selects the changed text, and the next Find 
selects everything remaining in the paragraph. Searching for character format 
overrides using Silicon Prairie's Character Tools behaves the same way.

I can't believe this is how this was meant to work. Am I missing something?

Is there a way to find untagged character overrides? (Other than searching for 
italic, then bold, then caps, then various spreads, then superscripts, etc.)

Thanks for any help.

Pat Christenson
Resource Coordinator
Fitzgerald Marketing and Communications
PChristenson at ftportfolios.com

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SOLVED: Find Character Overrides (FrameMaker 10)

Never mind. I feel like a dope.

The strange behavior occurred because I was working in a document with missing 
fonts.

Pat


From: Christenson, Pat
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 3:52 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Find Character Overrides (FrameMaker 10)

I have a large number of legacy FrameMaker documents to be converted to a 
template. In the legacy docs, character tags were almost never used. Instead, 
they used used Ctrl-I, Ctrl-b, and a variety of settings in the Character 
Designer (but never creating a new tag).

I was hoping I could use Find Character Overrides to locate these, but it finds 
everything! And by everything, I mean it selects everything in a paragraph up 
to the font change, the next Find selects the changed text, and the next Find 
selects everything remaining in the paragraph. Searching for character format 
overrides using Silicon Prairie's Character Tools behaves the same way.

I can't believe this is how this was meant to work. Am I missing something?

Is there a way to find untagged character overrides? (Other than searching for 
italic, then bold, then caps, then various spreads, then superscripts, etc.)

Thanks for any help.

Pat Christenson
Resource Coordinator
Fitzgerald Marketing and Communications
PChristenson at ftportfolios.com<mailto:PChristenson at ftportfolios.com>

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AW: Finding overrides in Framemaker files

2013-01-29 Thread Georg Eck

Hi Tammy,

 

do you know TOOLBOX since FrameMaker 7, since FrameMaker 10 we call it:
FINALYSER

Take List of Paragraph Overrides, another beautiful feature is Rename
Formats by Configuration.

Or take Formats  Delete unused/Add new...

 

NEW: Online Help with General and all details - here the general:
http://www.finalyser.com/help/index.html#page/General/overview.html

 

TOOLBOX and Finalyser for 30 days free. Try it.

Wednesday Jan 30th at 10am US/pacific - free Adobe Webinar about
TOOLBOX/Finalyser: http://adobe.ly/Thu9dR

 

-  Georg

 

Subject: Finding overrides in Framemaker files

 

Framemaker 10, all patched, Win 7, 64 bit. 

I have a Framemaker book that contains 8 chapter files. I know that
overrides to paragraph styles in a file are marked with an asterisk in
the Information Bar at the bottom of the file. I am producing OLH for a
client using a 15 year old technology (Sun JavaHelp) and I don't have an
option to change that right now. In the tool that I use, ePublisher,
reports are generated including a Styles report that specifically lists
all paragraph tags that have an override to them. This report, however,
is not available for a Sun JavaHelp output for many reasons but I still
need to be able to find overrides in the Framemaker source files. Is
there a script that is available to do this, or is there a way to use
FM's functionality that I am not aware of to do this?

Thanks,

TVB

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AW: Finding overrides in Framemaker files

2013-01-29 Thread Georg Eck

Hi Tammy,



do you know TOOLBOX since FrameMaker 7, since FrameMaker 10 we call it:
FINALYSER

Take "List of Paragraph Overrides", another beautiful feature is "Rename
Formats by Configuration".

Or take "Formats" > "Delete unused"/"Add new"...



NEW: Online Help with General and all details - here the general:
http://www.finalyser.com/help/index.html#page/General/overview.html



TOOLBOX and Finalyser for 30 days free. Try it.

Wednesday Jan 30th at 10am US/pacific - free Adobe Webinar about
TOOLBOX/Finalyser: http://adobe.ly/Thu9dR



-  Georg



Subject: Finding overrides in Framemaker files



Framemaker 10, all patched, Win 7, 64 bit. 

I have a Framemaker book that contains 8 chapter files. I know that
overrides to paragraph styles in a file are marked with an asterisk in
the Information Bar at the bottom of the file. I am producing OLH for a
client using a 15 year old technology (Sun JavaHelp) and I don't have an
option to change that right now. In the tool that I use, ePublisher,
reports are generated including a Styles report that specifically lists
all paragraph tags that have an override to them. This report, however,
is not available for a Sun JavaHelp output for many reasons but I still
need to be able to find overrides in the Framemaker source files. Is
there a script that is available to do this, or is there a way to use
FM's functionality that I am not aware of to do this?

Thanks,

TVB

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Finding overrides in Framemaker files

2013-01-24 Thread John Pitt

TVB,

Have you tried using one of eP's other outputs (e.g., WebWorks Help 5) 
and using the Styles report from that to chase your FM overrides?

jjj

On 24/01/2013 4:00 AM, framers-request at lists.frameusers.com wrote:
>
> Framemaker 10, all patched, Win 7, 64 bit.
>
> I have a Framemaker book that contains 8 chapter files. I know that
> overrides to paragraph styles in a file are marked with an asterisk in the
> Information Bar at the bottom of the file. I am producing OLH for a client
> using a 15 year old technology (Sun JavaHelp) and I don't have an option to
> change that right now. In the tool that I use, ePublisher, reports are
> generated including a Styles report that specifically lists all paragraph
> tags that have an override to them. This report, however, is not available
> for a Sun JavaHelp output for many reasons but I still need to be able to
> find overrides in the Framemaker source files. Is there a script that is
> available to do this, or is there a way to use FM's functionality that I am
> not aware of to do this?
>
> Thanks,
>
> TVB

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RE: Finding overrides in Framemaker files

2013-01-23 Thread Steve Rickaby

At 12:48 -0800 22/1/13, Combs, Richard wrote:

In addition to Stuart's suggestion, I can recommend Silicon Prarie's very 
reasonable Paragraph Tools and Character Tools plugins for this and many other 
tasks (siliconprairiesoftware.com).

I know it's bad form to post 'me too' messages, but I'm going to anyway. In my 
view these plugins are *essential*, and only cost as much as a couple of drinks 
in a bar. They will save you hours of work.

And all the rest. I've got a template here that has a zillion xref formats, 
named using three different languages (don't ask: it wasn't me). One click in 
the cross-reference tools menu and every unused one is gone.

If only houses behaved the same way: click a button and all the rubbish 
vanishes. I'd pay a lot for that.

-- 
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Re: Finding overrides in Framemaker files

2013-01-23 Thread John Pitt


TVB,

Have you tried using one of eP's other outputs (e.g., WebWorks Help 5) 
and using the Styles report from that to chase your FM overrides?


jjj

On 24/01/2013 4:00 AM, framers-requ...@lists.frameusers.com wrote:


Framemaker 10, all patched, Win 7, 64 bit.

I have a Framemaker book that contains 8 chapter files. I know that
overrides to paragraph styles in a file are marked with an asterisk in the
Information Bar at the bottom of the file. I am producing OLH for a client
using a 15 year old technology (Sun JavaHelp) and I don't have an option to
change that right now. In the tool that I use, ePublisher, reports are
generated including a Styles report that specifically lists all paragraph
tags that have an override to them. This report, however, is not available
for a Sun JavaHelp output for many reasons but I still need to be able to
find overrides in the Framemaker source files. Is there a script that is
available to do this, or is there a way to use FM's functionality that I am
not aware of to do this?

Thanks,

TVB


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Finding overrides in Framemaker files

2013-01-23 Thread Steve Rickaby

At 12:48 -0800 22/1/13, Combs, Richard wrote:

>In addition to Stuart's suggestion, I can recommend Silicon Prarie's very 
>reasonable Paragraph Tools and Character Tools plugins for this and many other 
>tasks (siliconprairiesoftware.com).

I know it's bad form to post 'me too' messages, but I'm going to anyway. In my 
view these plugins are *essential*, and only cost as much as a couple of drinks 
in a bar. They will save you hours of work.

And all the rest. I've got a template here that has a zillion xref formats, 
named using three different languages (don't ask: it wasn't me). One click in 
the cross-reference tools menu and every unused one is gone.

If only houses behaved the same way: click a button and all the rubbish 
vanishes. I'd pay a lot for that.

-- 
Steve

Finding overrides in Framemaker files

Framemaker 10, all patched, Win 7, 64 bit. 

I have a Framemaker book that contains 8 chapter files. I know that
overrides to paragraph styles in a file are marked with an asterisk in the
Information Bar at the bottom of the file. I am producing OLH for a client
using a 15 year old technology (Sun JavaHelp) and I don't have an option to
change that right now. In the tool that I use, ePublisher, reports are
generated including a Styles report that specifically lists all paragraph
tags that have an override to them. This report, however, is not available
for a Sun JavaHelp output for many reasons but I still need to be able to
find overrides in the Framemaker source files. Is there a script that is
available to do this, or is there a way to use FM's functionality that I am
not aware of to do this?

Thanks,

TVB
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Re: Finding overrides in Framemaker files

2013-01-22 Thread Stuart Rogers


On 22/01/2013 3:13 PM, Tammy Van Boening wrote:

Framemaker 10, all patched, Win 7, 64 bit.

I have a Framemaker book that contains 8 chapter files. I know that
overrides to paragraph stylesin a fileare marked with an asteriskin the
Information Bar at the bottom of the file. I am producing OLH for a
client using a 15 year old technology (Sun JavaHelp) and I don't have an
option to change that right now. In the tool that I use, ePublisher,
reports are generated including a Styles report that specifically lists
all paragraph tags that have an override to them. This report, however,
is not available for a Sun JavaHelp output for many reasonsbut I
stillneed tobe able to find overrides in the Framemaker source files. Is
there a script that is available to do this, or is there a way to use
FM's functionality that I am not aware of to do this?

Thanks,



Free from Chris Despopoulos:

http://www.cudspan.net/plugins/
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RE: Finding overrides in Framemaker files

Tammy Van Boening wrote:
 
 Framemaker 10, all patched, Win 7, 64 bit.
 I have a Framemaker book that contains 8 chapter files. I know that overrides
 to paragraph styles in a file are marked with an asterisk in the Information
 Bar at the bottom of the file. I am producing OLH for a client using a 15 year
 old technology (Sun JavaHelp) and I don't have an option to change that right
 now. In the tool that I use, ePublisher, reports are generated including a
 Styles report that specifically lists all paragraph tags that have an override
 to them. This report, however, is not available for a Sun JavaHelp output for
 many reasons but I still need to be able to find overrides in the Framemaker
 source files. Is there a script that is available to do this, or is there a
 way to use FM's functionality that I am not aware of to do this?

In addition to Stuart's suggestion, I can recommend Silicon Prarie's very 
reasonable Paragraph Tools and Character Tools plugins for this and many other 
tasks (siliconprairiesoftware.com). 

But if you're in a hurry and not afraid of removing all overrides in a file 
without regard for the consequences, do the following: 

1) Ensure that you have a file whose pgf catalog (and anything else you want to 
unify) has the definitions you want all the chapters to use. 
2) In the book window, select all the chapters and select File  Import  
Formats. 
3) In the dialog box, set Import from Document to the file with the correct 
definitions and under Import and Update, select what you want to update. 
4) Under While Updating, Remove, select Other Format/Layout Overrides and click 
Import. 

HTH!

Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
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RE: Finding overrides in Framemaker files

Thanks Richard.

-Original Message-
From: Combs, Richard [mailto:richard.co...@polycom.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 1:49 PM
To: Tammy Van Boening; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Finding overrides in Framemaker files

Tammy Van Boening wrote:

 Framemaker 10, all patched, Win 7, 64 bit.
 I have a Framemaker book that contains 8 chapter files. I know that 
 overrides to paragraph styles in a file are marked with an asterisk in 
 the Information Bar at the bottom of the file. I am producing OLH for 
 a client using a 15 year old technology (Sun JavaHelp) and I don't 
 have an option to change that right now. In the tool that I use, 
 ePublisher, reports are generated including a Styles report that 
 specifically lists all paragraph tags that have an override to them. 
 This report, however, is not available for a Sun JavaHelp output for 
 many reasons but I still need to be able to find overrides in the 
 Framemaker source files. Is there a script that is available to do this,
or is there a way to use FM's functionality that I am not aware of to do
this?

In addition to Stuart's suggestion, I can recommend Silicon Prarie's very
reasonable Paragraph Tools and Character Tools plugins for this and many
other tasks (siliconprairiesoftware.com). 

But if you're in a hurry and not afraid of removing all overrides in a file
without regard for the consequences, do the following: 

1) Ensure that you have a file whose pgf catalog (and anything else you want
to unify) has the definitions you want all the chapters to use. 
2) In the book window, select all the chapters and select File  Import 
Formats. 
3) In the dialog box, set Import from Document to the file with the correct
definitions and under Import and Update, select what you want to update. 
4) Under While Updating, Remove, select Other Format/Layout Overrides and
click Import. 

HTH!

Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
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Re: Finding overrides in Framemaker files

FM also provides the ability to search for character/paragraph/table format 
overrides in the Find/Change dialog box (that is, CTRL + F). Those options are 
at the bottom of the Find list. 

Richard, do those tools provide something extra to the FM functionality?

Nadine


 From: Combs, Richard richard.co...@polycom.com
To: Tammy Van Boening tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com; 
framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com 
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 3:48:47 PM
Subject: RE: Finding overrides in Framemaker files
 
Tammy Van Boening wrote:

 Framemaker 10, all patched, Win 7, 64 bit.
 I have a Framemaker book that contains 8 chapter files. I know that overrides
 to paragraph styles in a file are marked with an asterisk in the Information
 Bar at the bottom of the file. I am producing OLH for a client using a 15 
 year
 old technology (Sun JavaHelp) and I don't have an option to change that right
 now. In the tool that I use, ePublisher, reports are generated including a
 Styles report that specifically lists all paragraph tags that have an 
 override
 to them. This report, however, is not available for a Sun JavaHelp output for
 many reasons but I still need to be able to find overrides in the Framemaker
 source files. Is there a script that is available to do this, or is there a
 way to use FM's functionality that I am not aware of to do this?

In addition to Stuart's suggestion, I can recommend Silicon Prarie's very 
reasonable Paragraph Tools and Character Tools plugins for this and many other 
tasks (siliconprairiesoftware.com). 

But if you're in a hurry and not afraid of removing all overrides in a file 
without regard for the consequences, do the following: 

1) Ensure that you have a file whose pgf catalog (and anything else you want 
to unify) has the definitions you want all the chapters to use. 
2) In the book window, select all the chapters and select File  Import  
Formats. 
3) In the dialog box, set Import from Document to the file with the correct 
definitions and under Import and Update, select what you want to update. 
4) Under While Updating, Remove, select Other Format/Layout Overrides and 
click Import. 

HTH!

Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
--
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303-903-6372
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RE: Finding overrides in Framemaker files

Craig,

 

Yep, like you, I have mixed luck w/ the remove override option being
automatically selected. I can't figure out why it works sometimes and not
others. At this point, just finding them is the start that I need and I can
go from there.

 

Thanks everyone who responded. I appreciate the professional courtesy and
consideration.

 

TVB

 

From: Craig Ede [mailto:craig...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 2:09 PM
To: tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com; framers
Subject: RE: Finding overrides in Framemaker files

 

Tammy,
 
In FM 10 (and 11) you can use the find/change function by selecting  Find 
Paragraph Format Override from the drop-down list. There are also drop down
selections for Character Format Override and Table Format Override as well.
 
I've had mixed luck with the remove override option that is automatically
selected in the replace selection for all these, but it does find all the
overrides so you can fix them. 
If your goal is only to catalog them, this is of little help if there are
many overrides. 
 
Maybe someone has already suggested this.
 

Craig 

 Tammy Van Boening wrote:
 
  Framemaker 10, all patched, Win 7, 64 bit.
  I have a Framemaker book that contains 8 chapter files. I know that 
  overrides to paragraph styles in a file are marked with an asterisk in 
  the Information Bar at the bottom of the file. I am producing OLH for 
  a client using a 15 year old technology (Sun JavaHelp) and I don't 
  have an option to change that right now. In the tool that I use, 
  ePublisher, reports are generated including a Styles report that 
  specifically lists all paragraph tags that have an override to them. 
  This report, however, is not available for a Sun JavaHelp output for 
  many reasons but I still need to be able to find overrides in the 
  Framemaker source files. Is there a script that is available to do this,
 or is there a way to use FM's functionality that I am not aware of to do
 this?


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RE: Finding overrides in Framemaker files

Writer wrote:
 
 FM also provides the ability to search for character/paragraph/table format
 overrides in the Find/Change dialog box (that is, CTRL + F). Those options are
 at the bottom of the Find list.
 
 Richard, do those tools provide something extra to the FM functionality?

Although I have TCS 3 and have used FM 10 for a few tasks, my primary tool is 
still FM 7.2. I hadn't even noticed those new options in the Find list. That's 
nice, thanks for pointing it out. 

But the Silicon Prairie tools offer significantly more functionality and IMO 
are well worth the modest cost. Check out the brief descriptions here: 

http://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com/Products.html 


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 Writer wrote:

 
  FM also provides the ability to search for character/paragraph/table format
  overrides in the Find/Change dialog box (that is, CTRL + F). Those options 
 are
  at the bottom of the Find list.
 
  Richard, do those tools provide something extra to the FM functionality?
 
 Although I have TCS 3 and have used FM 10 for a few tasks, my primary tool is 
 still FM 7.2. I hadn't even noticed those new options in the Find list. 
 That's nice, thanks for pointing it out. 
 
 But the Silicon Prairie tools offer significantly more functionality and IMO 
 are 
 well worth the modest cost. Check out the brief descriptions here: 
 
 http://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com/Products.html 


Okey dokey.

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2013-01-22 Thread Craig Ede


Tammy, In FM 10 (and 11) you can use the find/change function by selecting  
Find  Paragraph Format Override from the drop-down list. There are also drop 
down selections for Character Format Override and Table Format Override as 
well. I've had mixed luck with the remove override option that is automatically 
selected in the replace selection for all these, but it does find all the 
overrides so you can fix them. If your goal is only to catalog them, this is of 
little help if there are many overrides.  Maybe someone has already suggested 
this.
 Craig  Tammy Van Boening wrote:
  
  Framemaker 10, all patched, Win 7, 64 bit.
  I have a Framemaker book that contains 8 chapter files. I know that 
  overrides to paragraph styles in a file are marked with an asterisk in 
  the Information Bar at the bottom of the file. I am producing OLH for 
  a client using a 15 year old technology (Sun JavaHelp) and I don't 
  have an option to change that right now. In the tool that I use, 
  ePublisher, reports are generated including a Styles report that 
  specifically lists all paragraph tags that have an override to them. 
  This report, however, is not available for a Sun JavaHelp output for 
  many reasons but I still need to be able to find overrides in the 
  Framemaker source files. Is there a script that is available to do this,
 or is there a way to use FM's functionality that I am not aware of to do
 this?

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Framemaker 10, all patched, Win 7, 64 bit. 

I have a Framemaker book that contains 8 chapter files. I know that
overrides to paragraph styles in a file are marked with an asterisk in the
Information Bar at the bottom of the file. I am producing OLH for a client
using a 15 year old technology (Sun JavaHelp) and I don't have an option to
change that right now. In the tool that I use, ePublisher, reports are
generated including a Styles report that specifically lists all paragraph
tags that have an override to them. This report, however, is not available
for a Sun JavaHelp output for many reasons but I still need to be able to
find overrides in the Framemaker source files. Is there a script that is
available to do this, or is there a way to use FM's functionality that I am
not aware of to do this?

Thanks,

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2013-01-22 Thread Stuart Rogers

On 22/01/2013 3:13 PM, Tammy Van Boening wrote:
> Framemaker 10, all patched, Win 7, 64 bit.
>
> I have a Framemaker book that contains 8 chapter files. I know that
> overrides to paragraph stylesin a fileare marked with an asteriskin the
> Information Bar at the bottom of the file. I am producing OLH for a
> client using a 15 year old technology (Sun JavaHelp) and I don't have an
> option to change that right now. In the tool that I use, ePublisher,
> reports are generated including a Styles report that specifically lists
> all paragraph tags that have an override to them. This report, however,
> is not available for a Sun JavaHelp output for many reasonsbut I
> stillneed tobe able to find overrides in the Framemaker source files. Is
> there a script that is available to do this, or is there a way to use
> FM's functionality that I am not aware of to do this?
>
> Thanks,
>

Free from Chris Despopoulos:

http://www.cudspan.net/plugins/
http://www.cudspan.net/plugins/tools/10/HuntOverrides.zip


HTH,

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Finding overrides in Framemaker files

Tammy Van Boening wrote:

> Framemaker 10, all patched, Win 7, 64 bit.
> I have a Framemaker book that contains 8 chapter files. I know that overrides
> to paragraph styles in a file are marked with an asterisk in the Information
> Bar at the bottom of the file. I am producing OLH for a client using a 15 year
> old technology (Sun JavaHelp) and I don't have an option to change that right
> now. In the tool that I use, ePublisher, reports are generated including a
> Styles report that specifically lists all paragraph tags that have an override
> to them. This report, however, is not available for a Sun JavaHelp output for
> many reasons but I still need to be able to find overrides in the Framemaker
> source files. Is there a script that is available to do this, or is there a
> way to use FM's functionality that I am not aware of to do this?

In addition to Stuart's suggestion, I can recommend Silicon Prarie's very 
reasonable Paragraph Tools and Character Tools plugins for this and many other 
tasks (siliconprairiesoftware.com). 

But if you're in a hurry and not afraid of removing all overrides in a file 
without regard for the consequences, do the following: 

1) Ensure that you have a file whose pgf catalog (and anything else you want to 
"unify") has the definitions you want all the chapters to use. 
2) In the book window, select all the chapters and select File > Import > 
Formats. 
3) In the dialog box, set Import from Document to the file with the correct 
definitions and under Import and Update, select what you want to update. 
4) Under While Updating, Remove, select Other Format/Layout Overrides and click 
Import. 

HTH!

Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
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Finding overrides in Framemaker files

Thanks Richard.

-Original Message-
From: Combs, Richard [mailto:richard.co...@polycom.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 1:49 PM
To: Tammy Van Boening; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Finding overrides in Framemaker files

Tammy Van Boening wrote:

> Framemaker 10, all patched, Win 7, 64 bit.
> I have a Framemaker book that contains 8 chapter files. I know that 
> overrides to paragraph styles in a file are marked with an asterisk in 
> the Information Bar at the bottom of the file. I am producing OLH for 
> a client using a 15 year old technology (Sun JavaHelp) and I don't 
> have an option to change that right now. In the tool that I use, 
> ePublisher, reports are generated including a Styles report that 
> specifically lists all paragraph tags that have an override to them. 
> This report, however, is not available for a Sun JavaHelp output for 
> many reasons but I still need to be able to find overrides in the 
> Framemaker source files. Is there a script that is available to do this,
or is there a way to use FM's functionality that I am not aware of to do
this?

In addition to Stuart's suggestion, I can recommend Silicon Prarie's very
reasonable Paragraph Tools and Character Tools plugins for this and many
other tasks (siliconprairiesoftware.com). 

But if you're in a hurry and not afraid of removing all overrides in a file
without regard for the consequences, do the following: 

1) Ensure that you have a file whose pgf catalog (and anything else you want
to "unify") has the definitions you want all the chapters to use. 
2) In the book window, select all the chapters and select File > Import >
Formats. 
3) In the dialog box, set Import from Document to the file with the correct
definitions and under Import and Update, select what you want to update. 
4) Under While Updating, Remove, select Other Format/Layout Overrides and
click Import. 

HTH!

Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
--
rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
303-903-6372
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Finding overrides in Framemaker files

FM also provides the ability to search for character/paragraph/table format 
overrides in the Find/Change dialog box (that is, CTRL + F). Those options are 
at the bottom of the Find list.?

Richard, do those tools provide something extra to the FM functionality?

Nadine

>
> From: "Combs, Richard" 
>To: Tammy Van Boening ; "framers at 
>lists.frameusers.com"  
>Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 3:48:47 PM
>Subject: RE: Finding overrides in Framemaker files
> 
>Tammy Van Boening wrote:
>
>> Framemaker 10, all patched, Win 7, 64 bit.
>> I have a Framemaker book that contains 8 chapter files. I know that overrides
>> to paragraph styles in a file are marked with an asterisk in the Information
>> Bar at the bottom of the file. I am producing OLH for a client using a 15 
>> year
>> old technology (Sun JavaHelp) and I don't have an option to change that right
>> now. In the tool that I use, ePublisher, reports are generated including a
>> Styles report that specifically lists all paragraph tags that have an 
>> override
>> to them. This report, however, is not available for a Sun JavaHelp output for
>> many reasons but I still need to be able to find overrides in the Framemaker
>> source files. Is there a script that is available to do this, or is there a
>> way to use FM's functionality that I am not aware of to do this?
>
>In addition to Stuart's suggestion, I can recommend Silicon Prarie's very 
>reasonable Paragraph Tools and Character Tools plugins for this and many other 
>tasks (siliconprairiesoftware.com). 
>
>But if you're in a hurry and not afraid of removing all overrides in a file 
>without regard for the consequences, do the following: 
>
>1) Ensure that you have a file whose pgf catalog (and anything else you want 
>to "unify") has the definitions you want all the chapters to use. 
>2) In the book window, select all the chapters and select File > Import > 
>Formats. 
>3) In the dialog box, set Import from Document to the file with the correct 
>definitions and under Import and Update, select what you want to update. 
>4) Under While Updating, Remove, select Other Format/Layout Overrides and 
>click Import. 
>
>HTH!
>
>Richard G. Combs
>Senior Technical Writer
>Polycom, Inc.
>richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
>303-223-5111
>--
>rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
>303-903-6372
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Craig,

Yep, like you, I have mixed luck w/ the remove override option being
automatically selected. I can't figure out why it works sometimes and not
others. At this point, just finding them is the start that I need and I can
go from there.

Thanks everyone who responded. I appreciate the professional courtesy and
consideration.

TVB

From: Craig Ede [mailto:craig...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 2:09 PM
To: tammyvb at spectrumwritingllc.com; framers
Subject: RE: Finding overrides in Framemaker files

Tammy,

In FM 10 (and 11) you can use the find/change function by selecting  Find >
Paragraph Format Override from the drop-down list. There are also drop down
selections for Character Format Override and Table Format Override as well.

I've had mixed luck with the remove override option that is automatically
selected in the replace selection for all these, but it does find all the
overrides so you can fix them. 
If your goal is only to catalog them, this is of little help if there are
many overrides. 

Maybe someone has already suggested this.

Craig 

> Tammy Van Boening wrote:
> 
> > Framemaker 10, all patched, Win 7, 64 bit.
> > I have a Framemaker book that contains 8 chapter files. I know that 
> > overrides to paragraph styles in a file are marked with an asterisk in 
> > the Information Bar at the bottom of the file. I am producing OLH for 
> > a client using a 15 year old technology (Sun JavaHelp) and I don't 
> > have an option to change that right now. In the tool that I use, 
> > ePublisher, reports are generated including a Styles report that 
> > specifically lists all paragraph tags that have an override to them. 
> > This report, however, is not available for a Sun JavaHelp output for 
> > many reasons but I still need to be able to find overrides in the 
> > Framemaker source files. Is there a script that is available to do this,
> or is there a way to use FM's functionality that I am not aware of to do
> this?
>

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Writer wrote:

> FM also provides the ability to search for character/paragraph/table format
> overrides in the Find/Change dialog box (that is, CTRL + F). Those options are
> at the bottom of the Find list.
> 
> Richard, do those tools provide something extra to the FM functionality?

Although I have TCS 3 and have used FM 10 for a few tasks, my primary tool is 
still FM 7.2. I hadn't even noticed those new options in the Find list. That's 
nice, thanks for pointing it out. 

But the Silicon Prairie tools offer significantly more functionality and IMO 
are well worth the modest cost. Check out the brief descriptions here: 

http://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com/Products.html 

Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
--
rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
303-903-6372
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Finding overrides in Framemaker files

> Writer wrote:

> 
>>  FM also provides the ability to search for character/paragraph/table format
>>  overrides in the Find/Change dialog box (that is, CTRL + F). Those options 
> are
>>  at the bottom of the Find list.
>> 
>>  Richard, do those tools provide something extra to the FM functionality?
> 
> Although I have TCS 3 and have used FM 10 for a few tasks, my primary tool is 
> still FM 7.2. I hadn't even noticed those new options in the Find list. 
> That's nice, thanks for pointing it out. 
> 
> But the Silicon Prairie tools offer significantly more functionality and IMO 
> are 
> well worth the modest cost. Check out the brief descriptions here: 
> 
> http://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com/Products.html 


Okey dokey.

Thanks,

Nadine

Finding overrides in Framemaker files

2013-01-22 Thread Craig Ede


Tammy, In FM 10 (and 11) you can use the find/change function by selecting  
Find > Paragraph Format Override from the drop-down list. There are also drop 
down selections for Character Format Override and Table Format Override as 
well. I've had mixed luck with the remove override option that is automatically 
selected in the replace selection for all these, but it does find all the 
overrides so you can fix them. If your goal is only to catalog them, this is of 
little help if there are many overrides.  Maybe someone has already suggested 
this.
 Craig > Tammy Van Boening wrote:
>  
> > Framemaker 10, all patched, Win 7, 64 bit.
> > I have a Framemaker book that contains 8 chapter files. I know that 
> > overrides to paragraph styles in a file are marked with an asterisk in 
> > the Information Bar at the bottom of the file. I am producing OLH for 
> > a client using a 15 year old technology (Sun JavaHelp) and I don't 
> > have an option to change that right now. In the tool that I use, 
> > ePublisher, reports are generated including a Styles report that 
> > specifically lists all paragraph tags that have an override to them. 
> > This report, however, is not available for a Sun JavaHelp output for 
> > many reasons but I still need to be able to find overrides in the 
> > Framemaker source files. Is there a script that is available to do this,
> or is there a way to use FM's functionality that I am not aware of to do
> this?
>

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Removing page overrides

2013-01-10 Thread Kala Konstantinidis

Hi,

 

I use FrameMaker 10 and found that empty pages are added automatically when
I copy structured FrameMaker content in one of my chapter files. I can see
clearly that there are two text frames in many body pages and though I
deleted the empty text frames from the body pages, these frames are not
deleted permanently! 

 

I couldn't fix this issue using the information mentioned in
http://forums.adobe.com/message/1237909.

 

Appreciate your help!

 

Thanks in advance,

Kala Konstantinidis

 

 

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2013-01-10 Thread Kala Konstantinidis

Hi,



I use FrameMaker 10 and found that empty pages are added automatically when
I copy structured FrameMaker content in one of my chapter files. I can see
clearly that there are two text frames in many body pages and though I
deleted the empty text frames from the body pages, these frames are not
deleted permanently! 



I couldn't fix this issue using the information mentioned in
http://forums.adobe.com/message/1237909.



Appreciate your help!



Thanks in advance,

Kala Konstantinidis





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2013-01-09 Thread Kala Konstantinidis

Hi,

 

I use FrameMaker 10 and I found that empty pages are added automatically
when I copy structured FrameMaker content in one of my chapter files. I can
see clearly that there are two text frames in many body pages and though I
deleted the empty text frames, the empty frames are not deleted permanently!


 

I couldn't fix this issue using the information mentioned in
http://forums.adobe.com/message/1237909.

 

Thanks in advance for your help!

 

Regards,

Kala Konstantinidis

 

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2013-01-09 Thread Kala Konstantinidis

Hi,



I use FrameMaker 10 and I found that empty pages are added automatically
when I copy structured FrameMaker content in one of my chapter files. I can
see clearly that there are two text frames in many body pages and though I
deleted the empty text frames, the empty frames are not deleted permanently!




I couldn't fix this issue using the information mentioned in
http://forums.adobe.com/message/1237909.



Thanks in advance for your help!



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Re: Store and reapply format overrides

2013-01-07 Thread Matt Sullivan


Have you considered adding a Top of column paragraph tag to your template and 
file?

-Matt

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On Jan 4, 2013, at 1:31 AM, de Rouck, Tom (Gent) tom.dero...@sgs.com wrote:

 Hello all,
  
 For a long time now I’ve been looking for a solution to archive Framemaker 
 7.2 books with a lot of text insets, often inserted with a paragraph override 
 on the anchor (e.g. top of column).
 When I use the Archive book plugin all these overrides are lost.

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2013-01-07 Thread Matt Sullivan


Have you considered adding a Top of column paragraph tag to your template and 
file?

-Matt

Matt Sullivan 
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phone: 714 960-6840 

On Jan 4, 2013, at 1:31 AM, "de Rouck, Tom (Gent)"  
wrote:

> Hello all,
>  
> For a long time now I?ve been looking for a solution to archive Framemaker 
> 7.2 books with a lot of text insets, often inserted with a paragraph override 
> on the anchor (e.g. top of column).
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2013-01-04 Thread de Rouck, Tom (Gent)

Hello all,

For a long time now I've been looking for a solution to archive Framemaker 7.2 
books with a lot of text insets, often inserted with a paragraph override on 
the anchor (e.g. top of column).
When I use the Archive book plugin all these overrides are lost.
So I was wondering if someone knows how to store overrides in a book and 
reapply them after archiving? Maybe with a script.
I've tried all other ways to archive books (Pack and Go script from itl, using 
higher Framemaker versions) but all of them fail (cross-references or overrides 
get lost).

Thanks for your ideas.

Kind regards,

Tom De Rouck
SGS Documentation Services
Junior Project Manager

SGS Belgium NV
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2013-01-04 Thread de Rouck, Tom (Gent)

Hello all,

For a long time now I've been looking for a solution to archive Framemaker 7.2
books with a lot of text insets, often inserted with a paragraph override on
the anchor (e.g. top of column).
When I use the Archive book plugin all these overrides are lost.
So I was wondering if someone knows how to store overrides in a book and
reapply them after archiving? Maybe with a script.
I've tried all other ways to archive books (Pack and Go script from itl, using
higher Framemaker versions) but all of them fail (cross-references or overrides
get lost).

Thanks for your ideas.

Kind regards,

Tom De Rouck
SGS Documentation Services
Junior Project Manager

SGS Belgium NV
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Re: finding character format overrides converting to paragraph tags

2012-06-07 Thread Michael Pearson

Hi Robert,

FM10 allows you to search for Character format overrides (as well as
Paragraph and Table overrides). It might be worth the upgrade for you.

HTH,
Mike

On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 12:52 AM, Shmuel Wolfson shmue...@gmail.com wrote:

You could change the character formats to be not bold, do the search, then
change them back.

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On 06-Jun-12 9:19 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote:

I'm cleaning up a1000-page book. Anybody have a trick for finding
character format overrides, particularly those where the writer used
Ctrl+i or Ctrl+b instead of applying a character tag?

Using Find/Replace / Character Format / Shift+F8 / Weight=Bold or
Angle=Italic isn't helpful since it finds both properly tagged and
format-overridden text.
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Re: finding character format overrides converting to paragraph tags

2012-06-07 Thread Robert Lauriston

I'm using FM10. I'll have to find that command. Thanks.

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 FM10 allows you to search for Character format overrides (as well as
 Paragraph and Table overrides). It might be worth the upgrade for you.
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FW: finding character format overrides converting to paragraph tags

2012-06-07 Thread Craig Ede

FM 10 has find paragraph and find character overrides as a selection in the
Find/Change dialog. It's a new feature.

from:http://blog.globalizationpartners.com/8-ways-unstructured-framemaker-10-helps-translation.aspx

Many unstructured FrameMaker documents have unwanted or
unnecessary format overrides to paragraphs, character selections
and tables. The Find/Change menu now has the
ability to search for Paragraph Format Overrides,
Character Format Overrides and Table
Format Overrides. In the example shown below, a search for
Character Format Override has located an item in a bulleted list
that has a dead character tag, CF 12 pt HVY applied to it.

[graphic deleted]

This is typical of character styles that are artifacts from
older legacy documents were converted from Microsoft Word to
FrameMaker. In this case, clicking on Change will
remove the format override.

Craig

Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 10:52:14 +0300
From: shmue...@gmail.com
To: rob...@lauriston.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: finding character format overrides converting to paragraph tags

You could change the character formats to be not bold, do the search,
then change them back.

Regards,
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On 06-Jun-12 9:19 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote:
I'm cleaning up a1000-page book. Anybody have a trick for finding
character format overrides, particularly those where the writer used
Ctrl+i or Ctrl+b instead of applying a character tag?

Using Find/Replace / Character Format / Shift+F8 / Weight=Bold or
Angle=Italic isn't helpful since it finds both properly tagged and
format-overridden text.
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finding character format overrides & converting to paragraph tags

2012-06-07 Thread Shmuel Wolfson

You could change the character formats to be not bold, do the search, 
then change them back.

Regards,
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> I'm cleaning up a>1000-page book. Anybody have a trick for finding
> character format overrides, particularly those where the writer used
> Ctrl+i or Ctrl+b instead of applying a character tag?
>
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> Angle=Italic isn't helpful since it finds both properly tagged and
> format-overridden text.
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finding character format overrides & converting to paragraph tags

2012-06-07 Thread Michael Pearson

Hi Robert,

FM10 allows you to search for "Character format overrides" (as well as
Paragraph and Table overrides). It might be worth the upgrade for you.

HTH,
Mike

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finding character format overrides & converting to paragraph tags

2012-06-07 Thread Robert Lauriston

I'm using FM10. I'll have to find that command. Thanks.

On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 7:51 AM, Michael Pearson
 wrote:
> Hi Robert,
>
> FM10 allows you to search for "Character format overrides" (as well as
> Paragraph and Table overrides). It might be worth the upgrade for you.

FW: finding character format overrides & converting to paragraph tags

2012-06-07 Thread Craig Ede


FM 10 has find paragraph and find character overrides as a selection in the 
Find/Change dialog. It's a new feature.

from:http://blog.globalizationpartners.com/8-ways-unstructured-framemaker-10-helps-translation.aspx

"Many unstructured FrameMaker documents have unwanted or
unnecessary format overrides to paragraphs, character selections
and tables. The Find/Change menu now has the
ability to search for Paragraph Format Overrides,
Character Format Overrides and Table
Format Overrides. In the example shown below, a search for
Character Format Override has located an item in a bulleted list
that has a "dead" character tag, "CF 12 pt HVY" applied to it.


[graphic deleted]



This is typical of character styles that are artifacts from
older legacy documents were converted from Microsoft Word to
FrameMaker. In this case, clicking on Change will
remove the format override."

Craig

> Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 10:52:14 +0300
> From: shmuelw1 at gmail.com
> To: robert at lauriston.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: finding character format overrides & converting to paragraph tags
> 
> You could change the character formats to be not bold, do the search, 
> then change them back.
> 
> Regards,
> Shmuel Wolfson
> Technical Writer
> 052-763-7133
> 
> 
> On 06-Jun-12 9:19 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote:
> > I'm cleaning up a>1000-page book. Anybody have a trick for finding
> > character format overrides, particularly those where the writer used
> > Ctrl+i or Ctrl+b instead of applying a character tag?
> >
> > Using Find/Replace / Character Format / Shift+F8 / Weight=Bold or
> > Angle=Italic isn't helpful since it finds both properly tagged and
> > format-overridden text.
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finding character format overrides & converting to paragraph tags

2012-06-06 Thread Robert Lauriston

I'm cleaning up a >1000-page book. Anybody have a trick for finding
character format overrides, particularly those where the writer used
Ctrl+i or Ctrl+b instead of applying a character tag?

Using Find/Replace / Character Format / Shift+F8 / Weight=Bold or
Angle=Italic isn't helpful since it finds both properly tagged and
format-overridden text.

Overrides - FM10

2012-05-04 Thread Doris Pavlichek

Hi all -

We're having some issues with overrides in FrameMaker 10. We've been 
using the new "Remove Overrides" option, and we thought we were having 
some success. But one of my writers removed all overrides in a document 
last night and left the document open on his desktop overnight (no 
reboots, locally-stored file). This morning he found that the elves had 
restored all the overrides for procSpaceAfter (a paragraph format that 
creates some white space after a procedure) and many other pgf formats.

In addition, if he tries to remove the override for procStepResult 
(which is an arrow in Zapfdingbats), it removes the UTF transform 
between dingbats and Helvetica (our default font). The only way to keep 
the arrow is to leave the override in place. We never had these issues 
with FM 7.x, which we just converted from a couple of months ago.

Anyone else having problems with overrides messing up UTF mapping or 
magically reappearing in a file? Seems this is not a very stable feature.

D

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Mysterious Master Page Overrides in FrameMaker 9

2011-06-10 Thread Joseph Lorenzini

Hi all,

Recently, I noticed when I switch from a master page to body page view I get
a message about master page overrides on the body pages. I find it odd since
I haven't actually modified body pages to cause this override message (or at
least not intentionally). Frankly, I don't care why it happened I just want
to make error message go away. I have tried reapplying master pages, book
updates etc but nothing works except manually deleting each page its
complaining about it. Its kinda maddening. Anyone have an idea about how to
get rid of these overrides aside from manually deleting each page that
overrides on it (that are invisible to my naked eye!!)

Sincerely,
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Re: Identifying overrides in FrameMaker

2008-12-23 Thread Joseph

Hi Nancy,

If you want to replace one paragraph tag with another, do the following:

   1. Use the Copy Special  Paragraph Format to copy the new paragraph to
   your clipboard.
   2. Open the find and replace dialog box.
   3. In the Find drop-down menu, select Paragraph tag.
   4. In the Find field, type the name of the old paragraph tag.
   5. In the Paste drop-down menu, select paste by (this means that whatever
   is in your clipboard will be pasted in place of the old paragraph tag, in
   this case cause you copied the new paragraph format to your clipboard, the
   new paragraph will replace it.
   6. DO NOT do a an All change.
   7. Make one change to verify that it is working.
   8. THEN do an All change.

That should convert all your old paragraph tags in your book to the new
ones.

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Identifying overrides in FrameMaker

2008-12-19 Thread Joseph

Hi Nancy,

If you want to replace one paragraph tag with another, do the following:

   1. Use the Copy Special > Paragraph Format to copy the new paragraph to
   your clipboard.
   2. Open the find and replace dialog box.
   3. In the Find drop-down menu, select Paragraph tag.
   4. In the Find field, type the name of the old paragraph tag.
   5. In the Paste drop-down menu, select paste by (this means that whatever
   is in your clipboard will be pasted in place of the old paragraph tag, in
   this case cause you copied the new paragraph format to your clipboard, the
   new paragraph will replace it.
   6. DO NOT do a an All change.
   7. Make one change to verify that it is working.
   8. THEN do an All change.

That should convert all your old paragraph tags in your book to the new
ones.

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RE: Identifying overrides

2008-12-18 Thread Yves Barbion

Hi Nancy

If you get a message about overrides when switching from Master Pages to
Body Pages, these overrides are on the text frame(s), not in the paratags.
For example, you may have changed the size of the body page text frames a
bit, or changed the column width, so the body pages no longer match the
master pages.

However, if you do the following, you should no longer get a message about
overrides:

   1. Go to the Master Pages.
   2. Go back to the Body Pages and select Remove Overrides.
   3. Do not change anything on the Body Pages.
   4. Go back to the Master Pages.
   5. Go back to the Body Pages: no messages about overrides?


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RE: Identifying overrides

Sadly, this does not work. If I flip back and forth between Master and 
Body pages, and select Remove Overrides each time, and change nothing 
on the body pages, I get the Remove Overrides prompt each time.

Also if I save after removing the overrides, and also if I reapply the 
master pages to the file.

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Re: Identifying overrides

Have you cleaned up the file by saving as MIF and reopening that version?


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 Sadly, this does not work. If I flip back and forth between Master and
 Body pages, and select Remove Overrides each time, and change nothing
 on the body pages, I get the Remove Overrides prompt each time.

 Also if I save after removing the overrides, and also if I reapply the
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RE: Identifying overrides

2008-12-18 Thread Eli Har-Even

I've been struggling with just this problem.

I solved it by
1. Inserting a disconnected page (Special  Add Disconnected Pages) that uses 
the same Master Page as the misbehaving body page,
2. Copying the text from the bad body page into the new body page, and
3. Deleting the old body page.

You may then need to connect the body page flow of the new body page to the  
other body pages. I think the way to do that is to select Autoconnect in the 
object properties of the frame of the new body page.

Eli.

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Sadly, this does not work. If I flip back and forth between Master and
Body pages, and select Remove Overrides each time, and change nothing
on the body pages, I get the Remove Overrides prompt each time.

Also if I save after removing the overrides, and also if I reapply the
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Re: Identifying overrides

2008-12-18 Thread Rick Quatro

Hi Nancy,

Follow these steps on a copy of your document.

1) Click somewhere in the main text flow.

2) Choose Edit  Select All In Flow (Control+A).

3) Cut the selection to the clipboard using Edit  Cut (Control+X).

4) Choose Special  Delete Pages. Delete all of the pages in the document. 
You should now be viewing the master pages.

5) Choose View  Body Pages. You will be prompted to add a Body Page; click 
OK.

6) Click an insertion point in the new body page and choose Edit  Paste 
(Control+V).

See if this fixes the override problem. Thanks.

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RE: Identifying overrides


Hello, all. Have gotten caught up in minutiae but didn't want to leave 
this discussion hanging, since you have all been so helpful. I have 
given up temporarily on the overrides stuff, since there are more basic 
things I must fix.

Anybody know how to replace tags at the book level? I've replaced some 
cryptic tags with descriptive names. I do not want to replace them 
chapter by chapter (total of 20 chapters), by going into the Paragraph 
Designer and using the Global replace option for each of the 12 tags. 
I'd much much rather do it at the book level.

Possible?

Thanks again, very much.

--Nancy
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Re: Identifying overrides

Use either Import  Formats at the book level (In the Book file, File
 Import  Formats), or the CleanImport plug-in (better for most
applications, because it isn't additive).

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 Hello, all. Have gotten caught up in minutiae but didn't want to leave
 this discussion hanging, since you have all been so helpful. I have
 given up temporarily on the overrides stuff, since there are more basic
 things I must fix.

 Anybody know how to replace tags at the book level? I've replaced some
 cryptic tags with descriptive names. I do not want to replace them
 chapter by chapter (total of 20 chapters), by going into the Paragraph
 Designer and using the Global replace option for each of the 12 tags.
 I'd much much rather do it at the book level.

 Possible?

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Re: Identifying overrides


No, darlin, I've already used the CleanImports plug-in. It deleted all 
the old tags and imported my nice, clean, understandably-named tags.

*However,* the text in the files remains tagged with the old tags. 
They're just not in the catalog any more. I still have to replace them 
with my beautiful new tags, and I'd prefer not to do it 
chapter-by-chapter. I will try the plug-in someone recommended.

On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at  3:46 PM, Art Campbell wrote:

 Use either Import  Formats at the book level (In the Book file, File
 Import  Formats), or the CleanImport plug-in (better for most
 applications, because it isn't additive).

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Re: Identifying overrides

OK...
Set up one of the paragraphs with the correct para format.

Then:
Copy Special  Para Format.
SR for a para tag with the old tag name, and replace by Pasting.

Make sure the Book option is checked in the SR dialog to define your range.

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On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 4:02 PM, Nancy Allison ma...@verizon.net wrote:

 No, darlin, I've already used the CleanImports plug-in. It deleted all the
 old tags and imported my nice, clean, understandably-named tags.

 *However,* the text in the files remains tagged with the old tags. They're
 just not in the catalog any more. I still have to replace them with my
 beautiful new tags, and I'd prefer not to do it chapter-by-chapter. I will
 try the plug-in someone recommended.

 On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at  3:46 PM, Art Campbell wrote:

 Use either Import  Formats at the book level (In the Book file, File

 Import  Formats), or the CleanImport plug-in (better for most

 applications, because it isn't additive).


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Re: Identifying overrides

2008-12-18 Thread Lin Sims

And don't forget Rick Quattro's Find/Change Special plugin, well worth
the $30 I paid for it.
[http://www.frameexpert.com/plugins/findchangespecial/index.htm]

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On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 4:12 PM, Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com wrote:
 OK...
 Set up one of the paragraphs with the correct para format.

 Then:
 Copy Special  Para Format.
 SR for a para tag with the old tag name, and replace by Pasting.

 Make sure the Book option is checked in the SR dialog to define your range.


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  Oh, you clever fellow! It WORKS! Thankee!

On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at  4:12 PM, Art Campbell wrote:

 OK...
Set up one of the paragraphs with the correct para format.

Then:
Copy Special  Para Format.
SR for a para tag with the old tag name, and replace by Pasting.

Make sure the Book option is checked in the SR dialog to define your 
range.

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Still working on my template. I've whittled down the tags for my Index 
file to only those that are used in the file.

When I switch from the Master page to the Body page of my Index file, I 
get a message that there are overrides on every page. I always say 
"Remove overrides," but the next time I switch between Master and Body 
pages, I get the same message.

When I use the File/Utilities/Overrides function, which Frame says is 
the way to identify the problem, my catalogs do indeed fill up with new 
tag names -- but they are tags used all over the document and NOT in my 
Index file. This happens even if I have closed all other files and the 
book file itself.

I don't know why that's happening, and it's useless to me since none of 
those tags is used in the Index.

Is there some clever way to output to a MIF file to identify the real 
overrides? You see, I'm learning! Or, do you have any other insights 
into why Frame tells me there are overrides, and how I can eliminate 
them?

Identifying overrides

2008-12-18 Thread Yves Barbion

Hi Nancy

If you get a message about overrides when switching from Master Pages to
Body Pages, these overrides are on the text frame(s), not in the paratags.
For example, you may have changed the size of the body page text frames a
bit, or changed the column width, so the body pages no longer match the
master pages.

However, if you do the following, you should no longer get a message about
overrides:

   1. Go to the Master Pages.
   2. Go back to the Body Pages and select Remove Overrides.
   3. Do not change anything on the Body Pages.
   4. Go back to the Master Pages.
   5. Go back to the Body Pages: no messages about overrides?


Cheers

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Identifying overrides

Sadly, this does not work. If I flip back and forth between Master and 
Body pages, and select "Remove Overrides" each time, and change nothing 
on the body pages, I get the "Remove Overrides" prompt each time.

Also if I save after removing the overrides, and also if I reapply the 
master pages to the file.

Identifying overrides

Have you cleaned up the file by saving as MIF and reopening that version?


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Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
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On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 11:33 AM, Nancy Allison  wrote:
> Sadly, this does not work. If I flip back and forth between Master and
> Body pages, and select "Remove Overrides" each time, and change nothing
> on the body pages, I get the "Remove Overrides" prompt each time.
>
> Also if I save after removing the overrides, and also if I reapply the
> master pages to the file.
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2008-12-18 Thread Eli Har-Even

I've been struggling with just this problem.

I solved it by
1. Inserting a disconnected page (Special > Add Disconnected Pages) that uses 
the same Master Page as the misbehaving body page,
2. Copying the text from the "bad" body page into the new body page, and
3. Deleting the old body page.

You may then need to connect the body page flow of the new body page to the  
other body pages. I think the way to do that is to select Autoconnect in the 
object properties of the frame of the new body page.

Eli.

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Sadly, this does not work. If I flip back and forth between Master and
Body pages, and select "Remove Overrides" each time, and change nothing
on the body pages, I get the "Remove Overrides" prompt each time.

Also if I save after removing the overrides, and also if I reapply the
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2008-12-18 Thread Rick Quatro

Hi Nancy,

Follow these steps on a copy of your document.

1) Click somewhere in the main text flow.

2) Choose Edit > Select All In Flow (Control+A).

3) Cut the selection to the clipboard using Edit > Cut (Control+X).

4) Choose Special > Delete Pages. Delete all of the pages in the document. 
You should now be viewing the master pages.

5) Choose View > Body Pages. You will be prompted to add a Body Page; click 
OK.

6) Click an insertion point in the new body page and choose Edit > Paste 
(Control+V).

See if this fixes the override problem. Thanks.

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Carmen Publishing Inc
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Identifying overrides


Hello, all. Have gotten caught up in minutiae but didn't want to leave 
this discussion hanging, since you have all been so helpful. I have 
given up temporarily on the overrides stuff, since there are more basic 
things I must fix.

Anybody know how to replace tags at the book level? I've replaced some 
cryptic tags with descriptive names. I do not want to replace them 
chapter by chapter (total of 20 chapters), by going into the Paragraph 
Designer and using the Global replace option for each of the 12 tags. 
I'd much much rather do it at the book level.

Possible?

Thanks again, very much.

--Nancy

Identifying overrides

Use either Import > Formats at the book level (In the Book file, File
> Import > Formats), or the CleanImport plug-in (better for most
applications, because it isn't additive).

Art

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On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 3:41 PM, Nancy Allison  wrote:
>
> Hello, all. Have gotten caught up in minutiae but didn't want to leave
> this discussion hanging, since you have all been so helpful. I have
> given up temporarily on the overrides stuff, since there are more basic
> things I must fix.
>
> Anybody know how to replace tags at the book level? I've replaced some
> cryptic tags with descriptive names. I do not want to replace them
> chapter by chapter (total of 20 chapters), by going into the Paragraph
> Designer and using the Global replace option for each of the 12 tags.
> I'd much much rather do it at the book level.
>
> Possible?
>
> Thanks again, very much.
>
> --Nancy
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No, darlin, I've already used the CleanImports plug-in. It deleted all 
the old tags and imported my nice, clean, understandably-named tags.

*However,* the text in the files remains tagged with the old tags. 
They're just not in the catalog any more. I still have to replace them 
with my beautiful new tags, and I'd prefer not to do it 
chapter-by-chapter. I will try the plug-in someone recommended.

On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at  3:46 PM, Art Campbell wrote:

> Use either Import > Formats at the book level (In the Book file, File
>> Import > Formats), or the CleanImport plug-in (better for most
> applications, because it isn't additive).
>

Identifying overrides

OK...
Set up one of the paragraphs with the correct para format.

Then:
Copy Special > Para Format.
S for a para tag with the old tag name, and replace by Pasting.

Make sure the Book option is checked in the S dialog to define your range.

Art

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Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
  No disclaimers apply.
   DoD 358

On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 4:02 PM, Nancy Allison  wrote:
>
> No, darlin, I've already used the CleanImports plug-in. It deleted all the
> old tags and imported my nice, clean, understandably-named tags.
>
> *However,* the text in the files remains tagged with the old tags. They're
> just not in the catalog any more. I still have to replace them with my
> beautiful new tags, and I'd prefer not to do it chapter-by-chapter. I will
> try the plug-in someone recommended.
>
> On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at  3:46 PM, Art Campbell wrote:
>
>> Use either Import > Formats at the book level (In the Book file, File
>>>
>>> Import > Formats), or the CleanImport plug-in (better for most
>>
>> applications, because it isn't additive).
>>
>

Identifying overrides

2008-12-18 Thread Lin Sims

And don't forget Rick Quattro's Find/Change Special plugin, well worth
the $30 I paid for it.
[http://www.frameexpert.com/plugins/findchangespecial/index.htm]

[Standard disclaimer: No association other than a happy customer of
several of Mr. Quattro's plugins. They rock.]

On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 4:12 PM, Art Campbell  wrote:
> OK...
> Set up one of the paragraphs with the correct para format.
>
> Then:
> Copy Special > Para Format.
> S for a para tag with the old tag name, and replace by Pasting.
>
> Make sure the Book option is checked in the S dialog to define your range.

-- 
Lin Sims

Identifying overrides


  Oh, you clever fellow! It WORKS! Thankee!

On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at  4:12 PM, Art Campbell wrote:

> OK...
Set up one of the paragraphs with the correct para format.

Then:
Copy Special > Para Format.
S for a para tag with the old tag name, and replace by Pasting.

Make sure the Book option is checked in the S dialog to define your 
range.

Art

RE: FrameMaker overrides

2008-07-15 Thread Combs, Richard

Graeme R Forbes wrote:

 If you don't need to know where the overrides are or what they are,
 and if there are a lot of them to be eliminated, it might be simpler
 to import formats from a copy of your document. The Import Formats
 dialog has a setting for removing overrides.

Correct, except that you don't need a _copy_ of your document. The
Import Formats dialog box lets you set Import from Document to Current,
which lets you reapply your document's formats to its own contents. 

Richard


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2008-07-15 Thread Graeme R Forbes

>Is there any way to search for FrameMaker overrides?

Depends on what you want to do, but if your goal is just to find 
para-level overrides and, say, override them with the default 
paraformat, you could use F/C: check "use wildcards", put the string 
"\p" in the find field, and then click through the document.  Each 
end-of-paragraph symbol will be found, and you can keep your eye on 
the bottom left of the page -- whenever there's an override, there'll 
be an asterisk in front of the name of the paraformat.

If you don't need to know where the overrides are or what they are, 
and if there are a lot of them to be eliminated, it might be simpler 
to import formats from a copy of your document. The Import Formats 
dialog has a setting for removing overrides.

Graeme Forbes

FrameMaker overrides

2008-07-15 Thread Combs, Richard

Graeme R Forbes wrote:

> If you don't need to know where the overrides are or what they are,
> and if there are a lot of them to be eliminated, it might be simpler
> to import formats from a copy of your document. The Import Formats
> dialog has a setting for removing overrides.

Correct, except that you don't need a _copy_ of your document. The
Import Formats dialog box lets you set Import from Document to Current,
which lets you reapply your document's formats to its own contents. 

Richard

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2008-07-14 Thread Shmuel Wolfson

Is there any way to search for FrameMaker overrides?

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re: FrameMaker overrides

2008-07-14 Thread Shlomo Perets

Shmuel,

You wrote:
  Is there any way to search for FrameMaker overrides?

No easy way to do this in FrameMaker, but you can use the free 
HuntOverrides plug-in developed by Chris Despopoulos:
http://www.freeframers.org/freeware/cud/

It creates an interactive report (clicking each entry takes you to the 
paragraph with overrides); you can differentiate between overrides related 
to manual page breaks and all other overrides.


Shlomo Perets
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2008-07-14 Thread Shmuel Wolfson

Is there any way to search for FrameMaker overrides?

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FrameMaker overrides

2008-07-14 Thread Shlomo Perets

Shmuel,

You wrote:
 > Is there any way to search for FrameMaker overrides?

No easy way to do this in FrameMaker, but you can use the free 
HuntOverrides plug-in developed by Chris Despopoulos:
http://www.freeframers.org/freeware/cud/

It creates an interactive report (clicking each entry takes you to the 
paragraph with overrides); you can differentiate between overrides related 
to manual page breaks and all other overrides.


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TimeSavers/Assistants",
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Re: question about overrides

2008-07-11 Thread David Shaked (Wernick)

 The main problem with overrides is that it will make 
 changes later that will be difficult to find and/or fix.

Is there a way to find overrides, other than examining each paragraph
individually?

Is there a way to remove all overrides from a document in a single
operation? I guess one way is to import to a new document and select the
option to remove format overrides. Is that the best way?

David Shaked (Wernick)

AlmondWeb Ltd.
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Re: question about overrides

2008-07-11 Thread Peter Gold

Search Google for hunt overrides

On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 2:44 AM, David Shaked (Wernick) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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  The main problem with overrides is that it will make
  changes later that will be difficult to find and/or fix.

 Is there a way to find overrides, other than examining each paragraph
 individually?

 Is there a way to remove all overrides from a document in a single
 operation? I guess one way is to import to a new document and select the
 option to remove format overrides. Is that the best way?


HTH

Regards,

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Re: question about overrides

2008-07-11 Thread Jim Owens

One way to find overrides is to create a special template that is 
identicial to your standard template, but with all fonts set to a bright 
colour you don't normally use. When you apply the special template, the 
overrides show up as unchanged black text.


David Shaked (Wernick) wrote:
 The main problem with overrides is that it will make 
 changes later that will be difficult to find and/or fix.
 
 Is there a way to find overrides, other than examining each paragraph
 individually?
 
 Is there a way to remove all overrides from a document in a single
 operation? I guess one way is to import to a new document and select the
 option to remove format overrides. Is that the best way?
 
 David Shaked (Wernick)
 
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 http://www.almondweb.com
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RE: question about overrides

2008-07-11 Thread Combs, Richard

David Shaked (Wernick) wrote:
 
 Is there a way to find overrides, other than examining each paragraph
 individually?

Silicon Prarie's Paragraph Tools and Character Tools do this (among many
other things). 

http://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com/
 
 Is there a way to remove all overrides from a document in a single
 operation? I guess one way is to import to a new document and select
the
 option to remove format overrides. Is that the best way?

You can import formats from the current document, with remove overrides
selected, to restore the doc's own format definitions to its contents. 

HTH!
Richard


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Re: question about overrides

2008-07-11 Thread Mike Wickham

 Is there a way to find overrides, other than examining each paragraph
 individually?

Hunt Overrides (free):
http://www.freeframers.org/freeware/cud/

Character Tools:
Paragraph Tools:
Table Tools:
http://www.freeframers.org/freeware/cud/
These plugins are very cheap, contain lots of other useful functions, and 
are highly recommended.

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RE: question about overrides

If I'm writing a typical user manual, my preferred solution for pagination
overrides is to float tables and figures. Floating rarely produces pagination
problems--that's the main purpose of floating, as far as I can tell. I give
tables and figures numbered titles and I'm careful to cite each one in the text,
whether by Xref alone or with an explanation of their contents, so that the
reader can find it (floating is an option for tables but not frames, so I put
all graphics in tables). 

Some clients are uncomfortable with floating. They insist that the table or
figure must appear directly before or after the text to which they refer, but
I've never had a user complain about it. Floating moves the table only a page
away.

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Floating figures and tables was RE: question about overrides

2008-07-11 Thread JIm Owens

 
 Floating figures and tables are useful for automating page breaks,
but I too have encountered people who insist that the figure must
always immediately follow the reference. Can anyone help me understand
where this rule originated?
 In Framemaker, setting them up requires a bit more effort.  To save
time, I would usually create a new figure exhibit by copying and
pasting an existing one, replacing the image, and manually resizing
the figure frame.
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 If I'm writing a typical user manual, my preferred solution for
pagination 
 overrides is to float tables and figures. Floating rarely produces
pagination 
 problems--that's the main purpose of floating, as far as I can tell.
I give 
 tables and figures numbered titles and I'm careful to cite each one
in the text, 
 whether by Xref alone or with an explanation of their contents, so
that the 
 reader can find it (floating is an option for tables but not frames,
so I put 
 all graphics in tables).  
 Some clients are uncomfortable with floating. They insist that the
table or 
 figure must appear directly before or after the text to which they
refer, but 
 I've never had a user complain about it. Floating moves the table
only a page 
 away. 
 = Mike Bradley 
   www.techpubs.com 
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RE: Floating figures and tables was RE: question about overrides

 Floating figures and tables are useful for automating page breaks, but I too 
 have encountered people who insist that the figure must always immediately 
 follow the reference. Can anyone help me understand where this rule 
 originated?

 

I don’t know where the rule came from. Probably from the same people who said 
there needs to be lots of white space.

 

I generally follow the usual tech doc rules, but I know, too, that other kinds 
of publications don’t follow them at all and their readers do fine. There’s 
very little white space in books yet people have managed to learn from books 
for a few years. Magazines place illustrations every which where, but their 
readers manage to understand them. Newspapers and magazines even use, gasp!, 
multi-column layouts. 

 

 

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RE: Floating figures and tables was RE: question about overrides

2008-07-11 Thread Matt Sullivan

That's the same group who recommend we NEVER TYPE IN ALLCAPS

 

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888 882-2819 

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Subject: RE: Floating figures and tables was RE: question about overrides

 Floating figures and tables are useful for automating page breaks, but I
too have encountered people who insist that the figure must always
immediately follow the reference. Can anyone help me understand where this
rule originated?

 

I don't know where the rule came from. Probably from the same people who
said there needs to be lots of white space.

 

I generally follow the usual tech doc rules, but I know, too, that other
kinds of publications don't follow them at all and their readers do fine.
There's very little white space in books yet people have managed to learn
from books for a few years. Magazines place illustrations every which where,
but their readers manage to understand them. Newspapers and magazines even
use, gasp!, multi-column layouts. 

 

 

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  www.techpubs.com

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question about overrides

2008-07-11 Thread David Shaked (Wernick)

> The main problem with overrides is that it will make 
> changes later that will be difficult to find and/or fix.

Is there a way to find overrides, other than examining each paragraph
individually?

Is there a way to remove all overrides from a document in a single
operation? I guess one way is to import to a new document and select the
option to remove format overrides. Is that the best way?

David Shaked (Wernick)

AlmondWeb Ltd.
http://www.almondweb.com
Technical Documentation * Web Development * Word and WebWorks Consultants

question about overrides

2008-07-11 Thread Peter Gold

Search Google for "hunt overrides"

On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 2:44 AM, David Shaked (Wernick) 
wrote:

> > The main problem with overrides is that it will make
> > changes later that will be difficult to find and/or fix.
>
> Is there a way to find overrides, other than examining each paragraph
> individually?
>
> Is there a way to remove all overrides from a document in a single
> operation? I guess one way is to import to a new document and select the
> option to remove format overrides. Is that the best way?
>

HTH

Regards,

Peter
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question about overrides

2008-07-11 Thread Jim Owens

One way to find overrides is to create a special template that is 
identicial to your standard template, but with all fonts set to a bright 
colour you don't normally use. When you apply the special template, the 
overrides show up as unchanged black text.


David Shaked (Wernick) wrote:
>> The main problem with overrides is that it will make 
>> changes later that will be difficult to find and/or fix.
> 
> Is there a way to find overrides, other than examining each paragraph
> individually?
> 
> Is there a way to remove all overrides from a document in a single
> operation? I guess one way is to import to a new document and select the
> option to remove format overrides. Is that the best way?
> 
> David Shaked (Wernick)
> 
> AlmondWeb Ltd.
> http://www.almondweb.com
> Technical Documentation * Web Development * Word and WebWorks Consultants
>  
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question about overrides

2008-07-11 Thread Combs, Richard

David Shaked (Wernick) wrote:

> Is there a way to find overrides, other than examining each paragraph
> individually?

Silicon Prarie's Paragraph Tools and Character Tools do this (among many
other things). 

http://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com/

> Is there a way to remove all overrides from a document in a single
> operation? I guess one way is to import to a new document and select
the
> option to remove format overrides. Is that the best way?

You can import formats from the current document, with remove overrides
selected, to restore the doc's own format definitions to its contents. 

HTH!
Richard

Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
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question about overrides

2008-07-11 Thread Mike Wickham

> Is there a way to find overrides, other than examining each paragraph
> individually?

Hunt Overrides (free):
http://www.freeframers.org/freeware/cud/

Character Tools:
Paragraph Tools:
Table Tools:
http://www.freeframers.org/freeware/cud/
These plugins are very cheap, contain lots of other useful functions, and 
are highly recommended.

Mike Wickham

question about overrides

If I'm writing a typical user manual, my preferred solution for pagination
overrides is to float tables and figures. Floating rarely produces pagination
problems--that's the main purpose of floating, as far as I can tell. I give
tables and figures numbered titles and I'm careful to cite each one in the text,
whether by Xref alone or with an explanation of their contents, so that the
reader can find it (floating is an option for tables but not frames, so I put
all graphics in tables). 

Some clients are uncomfortable with floating. They insist that the table or
figure must appear directly before or after the text to which they refer, but
I've never had a user complain about it. Floating moves the table only a page
away.

= Mike Bradley
  www.techpubs.com

Floating figures and tables was RE: question about overrides

2008-07-11 Thread JIm Owens


 Floating figures and tables are useful for automating page breaks,
but I too have encountered people who insist that the figure must
always immediately follow the reference. Can anyone help me understand
where this rule originated?
 In Framemaker, setting them up requires a bit more effort.  To save
time, I would usually create a new figure exhibit by copying and
pasting an existing one, replacing the image, and manually resizing
the figure frame.
 On Fri 11/07/08  5:44 PM , "Mike Bradley" mbradley at techpubs.com
sent:
 If I'm writing a typical user manual, my preferred solution for
pagination 
 overrides is to float tables and figures. Floating rarely produces
pagination 
 problems--that's the main purpose of floating, as far as I can tell.
I give 
 tables and figures numbered titles and I'm careful to cite each one
in the text, 
 whether by Xref alone or with an explanation of their contents, so
that the 
 reader can find it (floating is an option for tables but not frames,
so I put 
 all graphics in tables).  
 Some clients are uncomfortable with floating. They insist that the
table or 
 figure must appear directly before or after the text to which they
refer, but 
 I've never had a user complain about it. Floating moves the table
only a page 
 away. 
 = Mike Bradley 
   www.techpubs.com 
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