Re: Help Tools
On 10/13/2010 8:25 PM, Bill Swallow wrote: Truth be told, I haven't looked into their pricing in a while, mainly because my clients haven't needed it. But it was certainly the case last time I looked into pricing. On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 7:17 PM, Steve Johnsonchinask...@gmail.com wrote: They have an interesting approach to pricing, and one that I'm not too keen on. They size up your need and price you according to how many seats and what types of technologies you need. They're taking a CMS-like approach to product sales. False, at least as of a few months ago. You can also buy an annual subscription for one person for $800 or $900. Bill, Pricing for ePublisher settled down more than a year ago. Changes were made to the EULA to allow folks to purchase just what they need, no more, no less. Express seats are a cheaper alternative for folks who just have to run conversion without designing targets. Those go for $295 per year. And finally, with our change over to a contract licensing model, you have full control over who uses the seats you do purchase. They are yours to use and abuse as you like. Again, all of this related to WebWorks ePublisher. If you are thinking about have things were done for WebWorks Publisher a few years back, you'd see things are quite different now. Ben Allums all...@webworks.com 512-381-8885 ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Help Tools
Hi Pam No, WebWorks Standard is not the same as ePublisher Pro. There is a Yahoo wwp-user group, so you can post your question there: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/wwp-users/ Quadralay (Ben Allums) is actively participating in that group, so I'm sure you will get help there. Or you may find some answers in their wiki: http://wiki.webworks.com/HelpCenter/FAQ Kind regards -- Yves Barbion www.scripto.nu ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Help Tools
Pam, Mif2Go (www.omsys.com). They have a free demo that you can try before you buy. It works as a Frame plugin and works with just about any version of Frame. Features and all that info on what it can convert too is available on their website. Costs less than $300, plus a yearly maintenance/upgrade fee. It will do everything that WebWorks can do, and probably more. If you are doing DITA, they have a Dita2Go also. ePublisher Pro and WebWorks Standard are two different products. ePublisher Pro is the current WebWorks variant. The Standard version was shipped with Frame 7.2, more as a teaser I think. If I was a betting person, I would bet that you will be hearing from Jeremy this morning with similar words on Mif2Go. --- On Tue, 10/12/10, Pam Reichert pam.reich...@vpisystems.com wrote: From: Pam Reichert pam.reich...@vpisystems.com Subject: Help Tools To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Date: Tuesday, October 12, 2010, 1:38 PM I have been using WebWorks epublisher Pro version 9.2 to convert our FrameMaker documents into online help for our applications. Recently my laptop started having problems and they are moving me to a new laptop. The writer who installed epublisher on my laptop is no longer with the company and we can’t find the CD with a serial number. I noticed a version of WebWorks comes on the FrameMaker 7.2 CD but it is called WebWorks Standard. I thought maybe this is where the WebWorks came from. Is WebWorks Standard the same as ePublisher pro? Even if it is, no serial number I find on any of our CDs seems to work with it and Adobe can’t seem to help me. When I go to the WebWorks page I can’t get help there either because I don’t have a maintenance contract. I don’t think WebWorks actually *wants* customers. When I try to find out how much it costs to buy a new copy, no prices are listed unless you have a sales person call you. We don’t have phones in our office. I am pretty fed up with it all and am thinking of moving the help to a new platform. Can you suggest another help platform that works well with FrameMaker files and looks similar to ePublisher? I need to produce online help in both .chm files and html files. Pam Reichert ___ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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Webworks standard is an early version of ePublisher. The Standard and Pro essentially mean that one cannot modify templates; the professional version can. In any case, whatever tool you use is likely to achieve the look and feel of your help file by manipulating CSS style sheets, not by proprietary coding, so I think you have severral choices for help tools. If you've done massive amounts of tweaking to the ePublisher templates, that may be your easiest way to go. Along with that, I can't believe that their customer support department can't give you a new code There must be documentation on the purchase somewhere -- a PO or credit card info. However, if you're staring from scratch, I'd go with either MIF2Go from omsys.com or RoboHelp, as in the Technical Communication Suite. Both are strong and well-integrated. I prefer MIF2Go for most projects because it's simpler for me to use (I'm a config file kind of guy) and bulltproof once it's set up. And their customer support is exemplary. But RoboHelp comes with fancier, spiffier templates and it's designed to integrate well with Frame at the menu level. I know MIF2Ggo and Robohelp have free eval versions available. I think it's waning in popularity recently, but a number of people are big fans of Flare, so that's a possible third avenue to go down, although that's more of an authoring package rather than a conversion tool to pull content from Frame. Good luck! Cheers, Art Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 2:38 PM, Pam Reichert pam.reich...@vpisystems.com wrote: I have been using WebWorks epublisher Pro version 9.2 to convert our FrameMaker documents into online help for our applications. Recently my laptop started having problems and they are moving me to a new laptop. The writer who installed epublisher on my laptop is no longer with the company and we can’t find the CD with a serial number. I noticed a version of WebWorks comes on the FrameMaker 7.2 CD but it is called WebWorks Standard. I thought maybe this is where the WebWorks came from. Is WebWorks Standard the same as ePublisher pro? Even if it is, no serial number I find on any of our CDs seems to work with it and Adobe can’t seem to help me. When I go to the WebWorks page I can’t get help there either because I don’t have a maintenance contract. I don’t think WebWorks actually *wants* customers. When I try to find out how much it costs to buy a new copy, no prices are listed unless you have a sales person call you. We don’t have phones in our office. I am pretty fed up with it all and am thinking of moving the help to a new platform. Can you suggest another help platform that works well with FrameMaker files and looks similar to ePublisher? I need to produce online help in both .chm files and html files. Pam Reichert ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as art.campb...@gmail.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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All, Thanks everyone for your suggestions with my Help tools question. I will definitely look into Mif2Go and I've used RoboHelp in the past, although it has been quite a few years so I'll need a trial download. I will also give WebWorks another try...maybe I can get some help from them. Again, thanks for your input. I do appreciate it! Pam -Original Message- From: Steve Johnson [mailto:chinask...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 9:20 AM To: David Spreadbury Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com; Pam Reichert Subject: Re: Help Tools Don't be so hasty and judgmental. WebWorks is a fine company with an excellent product. They have a Yahoo group (I think it's called ePub) that you can post your question to. Or call them, they will help you. If nothing else, send an email to Ben Allums, all...@webworks.com, I think. I've had a lot of great experiences with them. Don't abandon them because of this. On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 6:54 AM, David Spreadbury dspre...@yahoo.com wrote: Pam, Mif2Go (www.omsys.com). They have a free demo that you can try before you buy. It works as a Frame plugin and works with just about any version of Frame. Features and all that info on what it can convert too is available on their website. Costs less than $300, plus a yearly maintenance/upgrade fee. It will do everything that WebWorks can do, and probably more. If you are doing DITA, they have a Dita2Go also. ePublisher Pro and WebWorks Standard are two different products. ePublisher Pro is the current WebWorks variant. The Standard version was shipped with Frame 7.2, more as a teaser I think. If I was a betting person, I would bet that you will be hearing from Jeremy this morning with similar words on Mif2Go. --- On Tue, 10/12/10, Pam Reichert pam.reich...@vpisystems.com wrote: From: Pam Reichert pam.reich...@vpisystems.com Subject: Help Tools To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Date: Tuesday, October 12, 2010, 1:38 PM I have been using WebWorks epublisher Pro version 9.2 to convert our FrameMaker documents into online help for our applications. Recently my laptop started having problems and they are moving me to a new laptop. The writer who installed epublisher on my laptop is no longer with the company and we can’t find the CD with a serial number. I noticed a version of WebWorks comes on the FrameMaker 7.2 CD but it is called WebWorks Standard. I thought maybe this is where the WebWorks came from. Is WebWorks Standard the same as ePublisher pro? Even if it is, no serial number I find on any of our CDs seems to work with it and Adobe can’t seem to help me. When I go to the WebWorks page I can’t get help there either because I don’t have a maintenance contract. I don’t think WebWorks actually *wants* customers. When I try to find out how much it costs to buy a new copy, no prices are listed unless you have a sales person call you. We don’t have phones in our office. I am pretty fed up with it all and am thinking of moving the help to a new platform. Can you suggest another help platform that works well with FrameMaker files and looks similar to ePublisher? I need to produce online help in both .chm files and html files. Pam Reichert ___ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as dr_go...@pobox.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dr_gonzo%40pobox.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Steve Johnson, dr_go...@pobox.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the VPIsystems MailScanner. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Help Tools
My team has been using MadCap Flare with FrameMaker for years to create CHM and html help files. Once you have everything set up and know how to use it, creating online help in either (or both) formats is very easy. Jon Harvey Manager, Desktop Documentation CambridgeSoft Corporation 100 CambridgePark Drive Cambridge, MA 02140 (617) 588-9354 -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Pam Reichert Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 2:39 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Help Tools I have been using WebWorks epublisher Pro version 9.2 to convert our FrameMaker documents into online help for our applications. Recently my laptop started having problems and they are moving me to a new laptop. The writer who installed epublisher on my laptop is no longer with the company and we can't find the CD with a serial number. I noticed a version of WebWorks comes on the FrameMaker 7.2 CD but it is called WebWorks Standard. I thought maybe this is where the WebWorks came from. Is WebWorks Standard the same as ePublisher pro? Even if it is, no serial number I find on any of our CDs seems to work with it and Adobe can't seem to help me. When I go to the WebWorks page I can't get help there either because I don't have a maintenance contract. I don't think WebWorks actually *wants* customers. When I try to find out how much it costs to buy a new copy, no prices are listed unless you have a sales person call you. We don't have phones in our office. I am pretty fed up with it all and am thinking of moving the help to a new platform. Can you suggest another help platform that works well with FrameMaker files and looks similar to ePublisher? I need to produce online help in both .chm files and html files. Pam Reichert ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as jhar...@cambridgesoft.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jharvey%40cambridges oft.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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Is WebWorks Standard the same as ePublisher pro? Not even close. I don’t think WebWorks actually *wants* customers. Well, you can contact sales here and explain your situation. http://www.webworks.com/assets/html/Contact_Me/ When I try to find out how much it costs to buy a new copy, no prices are listed unless you have a sales person call you. We don’t have phones in our office. No phones in your office? Does not compute. They have an interesting approach to pricing, and one that I'm not too keen on. They size up your need and price you according to how many seats and what types of technologies you need. They're taking a CMS-like approach to product sales. I am pretty fed up with it all and am thinking of moving the help to a new platform. Can you suggest another help platform that works well with FrameMaker files and looks similar to ePublisher? I need to produce online help in both .chm files and html files. Adobe's Technical Communication Suite. It has FrameMaker and RoboHelp (with integration between the two, which you don't get if you buy the products stand-alone) plus Acrobat, Captivate and Photoshop. http://www.adobe.com/products/technicalcommunicationsuite/ It'll take some getting used to, but I've found it to be a decent alternative to WebWorks (and I've been a WebWorks user/expert since 1998). -- Bill Swallow Twitter: @techcommdood Blog: http://techcommdood.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/techcommdood ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Help Tools
Truth be told, I haven't looked into their pricing in a while, mainly because my clients haven't needed it. But it was certainly the case last time I looked into pricing. On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 7:17 PM, Steve Johnson chinask...@gmail.com wrote: They have an interesting approach to pricing, and one that I'm not too keen on. They size up your need and price you according to how many seats and what types of technologies you need. They're taking a CMS-like approach to product sales. False, at least as of a few months ago. You can also buy an annual subscription for one person for $800 or $900. -- Bill Swallow Twitter: @techcommdood Blog: http://techcommdood.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/techcommdood ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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Don't be so hasty and judgmental. WebWorks is a fine company with an excellent product. They have a Yahoo group (I think it's called ePub) that you can post your question to. Or call them, they will help you. If nothing else, send an email to Ben Allums, all...@webworks.com, I think. I've had a lot of great experiences with them. Don't abandon them because of this. On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 6:54 AM, David Spreadbury dspre...@yahoo.com wrote: Pam, Mif2Go (www.omsys.com). They have a free demo that you can try before you buy. It works as a Frame plugin and works with just about any version of Frame. Features and all that info on what it can convert too is available on their website. Costs less than $300, plus a yearly maintenance/upgrade fee. It will do everything that WebWorks can do, and probably more. If you are doing DITA, they have a Dita2Go also. ePublisher Pro and WebWorks Standard are two different products. ePublisher Pro is the current WebWorks variant. The Standard version was shipped with Frame 7.2, more as a teaser I think. If I was a betting person, I would bet that you will be hearing from Jeremy this morning with similar words on Mif2Go. --- On Tue, 10/12/10, Pam Reichert pam.reich...@vpisystems.com wrote: From: Pam Reichert pam.reich...@vpisystems.com Subject: Help Tools To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Date: Tuesday, October 12, 2010, 1:38 PM I have been using WebWorks epublisher Pro version 9.2 to convert our FrameMaker documents into online help for our applications. Recently my laptop started having problems and they are moving me to a new laptop. The writer who installed epublisher on my laptop is no longer with the company and we can’t find the CD with a serial number. I noticed a version of WebWorks comes on the FrameMaker 7.2 CD but it is called WebWorks Standard. I thought maybe this is where the WebWorks came from. Is WebWorks Standard the same as ePublisher pro? Even if it is, no serial number I find on any of our CDs seems to work with it and Adobe can’t seem to help me. When I go to the WebWorks page I can’t get help there either because I don’t have a maintenance contract. I don’t think WebWorks actually *wants* customers. When I try to find out how much it costs to buy a new copy, no prices are listed unless you have a sales person call you. We don’t have phones in our office. I am pretty fed up with it all and am thinking of moving the help to a new platform. Can you suggest another help platform that works well with FrameMaker files and looks similar to ePublisher? I need to produce online help in both .chm files and html files. Pam Reichert ___ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as dr_go...@pobox.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dr_gonzo%40pobox.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Steve Johnson, dr_go...@pobox.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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They have an interesting approach to pricing, and one that I'm not too keen on. They size up your need and price you according to how many seats and what types of technologies you need. They're taking a CMS-like approach to product sales. False, at least as of a few months ago. You can also buy an annual subscription for one person for $800 or $900. On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 10:11 AM, Bill Swallow techcommd...@gmail.com wrote: Is WebWorks Standard the same as ePublisher pro? Not even close. I don’t think WebWorks actually *wants* customers. Well, you can contact sales here and explain your situation. http://www.webworks.com/assets/html/Contact_Me/ When I try to find out how much it costs to buy a new copy, no prices are listed unless you have a sales person call you. We don’t have phones in our office. No phones in your office? Does not compute. They have an interesting approach to pricing, and one that I'm not too keen on. They size up your need and price you according to how many seats and what types of technologies you need. They're taking a CMS-like approach to product sales. I am pretty fed up with it all and am thinking of moving the help to a new platform. Can you suggest another help platform that works well with FrameMaker files and looks similar to ePublisher? I need to produce online help in both .chm files and html files. Adobe's Technical Communication Suite. It has FrameMaker and RoboHelp (with integration between the two, which you don't get if you buy the products stand-alone) plus Acrobat, Captivate and Photoshop. http://www.adobe.com/products/technicalcommunicationsuite/ It'll take some getting used to, but I've found it to be a decent alternative to WebWorks (and I've been a WebWorks user/expert since 1998). -- Bill Swallow Twitter: @techcommdood Blog: http://techcommdood.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/techcommdood ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as dr_go...@pobox.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dr_gonzo%40pobox.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Steve Johnson, dr_go...@pobox.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
