Re: OT: Business insurance for independent contractors

[Steve Rickaby]

At 13:55 +1200 1/5/07, Alan Litchfield wrote:

I have both general business insurance with large public liability cover and
where necessary I get professional indemnity insurance. The professional
indemnity insurance is the one that is really expensive.

In the UK I have found that it can be, but does not have to be. You have to 
shop around and make sure that you are dealing with a company that really 
understands the risks, or lack of them, that they are being asked to 
underwrite. This pretty much means that you should be dealing with a specialist 
insurer.

I only bother with it on specific jobs, otherwise I ensure that processes are 
in place where the liability/accountability is held by the client.

I have not heard of job-specific insurance here, but I would be very cautious 
about such packages due to issues of retrospective liability. A 'failure' 
covered by a PI package could arise even years after the relevant documentation 
or software was created.

When I have professional indemnity insurance the cover is only for the
specific job and is always a hassle to get sorted.

Here software contractors and allied trades such as tech communicators can get 
cover from as little as £150 pa. It was not always so, though, as I pointed out 
to Pat off-list: a decade ago when I first went out for PI cover, I was quoted 
from less than £500 pa. to over £3500 pa. for essentially the same thing.

Whether you *need* PI cover is another issue, and is heavily dependent on how 
you trade and your national laws.

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Re: OT: Business insurance for independent contractors

[Kelley West]

Try Interstate or Fireman's Fund Insurance. I used to work for them, and
they have a large variety of professional liability insurance packages.


On 4/30/07 7:43 PM, Pat Christenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Are any of the independent contractors here carrying business
 insurance? It's been some time since I last checked on it but when I
 did, I found the cost to be very high and the coverage less than
 adequate. I was told at the time that very few companies would cover
 an independent contractor doing computer-related work (doc
 production) because they don't differentiate between for instance,
 someone setting up a payroll system who could do immense damage to a
 client and someone like me (setting up FrameMaker templates where it
 would be almost impossible to do large damage. When clients require
 insurance, I end up working through an agency but I'd prefer to be an
 IC.
 
 Anyway, if anyone here is carrying it, I'd be interested to hear
 about your experience. Feel free to contact me offlist.
 
 Thanks.
 
 Pat Christenson
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Re: Two problems

[Shlomo Perets]

Charles,

You wrote:

... Second, and the reason I was trying to search the archives: I want to
create a link in an HTML file that will go to a named destination in a
PDF file. I know it can be done, and I have been able to find out how to
do it to a particular page or to alter a PDF file to include named
destinations. BUT-
I want to be able to set it up in FrameMaker, so that when I distill the
PDF, the named destination is already there, and the link will work. I'm
sure one of the gurus on this list can tell me how to accomplish that.
I did look in the FrameMaker documentation, but I couldn't find this
information there either.


In the HTML link, you have to append '#name' to the file name, #name being 
the named destination in the pdf, for example:

http://www.microtype.com/showcase/ConvertFMnewlink.pdf#Inspiration

#name is actually the short form of #nameddest=name, so you could also have:
http://www.microtype.com/showcase/ConvertFMnewlink.pdf#nameddest=Inspiration

Other variations are:
#page=4 -- if you want to open the target PDF on page 4,
#search=string -- to open the target PDF with the Search panel open showing 
locations for the specified strings, and the page with the first instance. 
For example:

http://www.microtype.com/showcase/MultimediaAsst/Guide.pdf#Search=silentium


As to named destinations in the PDF: if defined in FrameMaker using the 
newlink hypertext marker, a variable Mnn.8.newlink prefix is added (see 
http://www.microtype.com/ImprovePDF.html#12 for more information).



Shlomo Perets

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RE: OT: Business insurance for independent contractors

[Matt Sullivan]

Business liability insurance is usually quite expensive for what you get,
but I got great advice from an insurance pal...

For those only needing self-coverage, attach a business rider to a homeowner
or renter policy. If you already carry such insurance, the increase in rates
is maybe 1/3 compared to a full policy and can give the exact coverage
needed.

If you don't already have some sort of personal property insurance, here's a
great excuse to cover things like engagement rings, watches, etc.

I think adding the business coverage along with items over my normal policy
limits was about 1/2 my previous business policy.

If anybody needs direct advice, I know a guy
Contact me off list if you'd like to email him.

 

-Matt Sullivan

 

GRAFIX Training, Inc.

An Adobe Authorized Training Center

www.grafixtraining.com

888 882-2819 


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Subject: Re: OT: Business insurance for independent contractors

Hi Pat


 Anyway, if anyone here is carrying it, I'd be interested to hear
 about your experience. Feel free to contact me offlist.


I have both general business insurance with large public liability cover and
where necessary I get professional indemnity insurance. The professional
indemnity insurance is the one that is really expensive. I only bother with
it
on specific jobs, otherwise I ensure that processes are in place where the
liability/accountability is held by the client.

When I have professional indemnity insurance the cover is only for the
specific job and is always a hassle to get sorted.

Cheers
Alan

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Frames within Frames Question

[James Monaco]

Hello Framers,

We have books with different text frames for left and right master  
pages (in order to leave more space in the gutter than on the  
outside). When you insert a graphics frame for an illustration it  
references the page, not the text frame. The result is that if the  
pagination shifts, as it often does as you insert new graphics or  
futz with the text, the graphics frames are often off-center since  
they are getting their coordinates from the page, not the text frame,  
which has moved.


Does anyone have a workaround for this?

(It seems to contradict the very principle from which Framemaker gets  
its name!)


While I'm at it, it is annoying and time-consuming to have to set run- 
around properties separately every time a graphics frame is inserted.  
Shouldn't there be a Preference for Always Run-around Bounding Box?


(Mac FM 7.0, I'm on digest)

Thanks!


-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

James Monaco212 777 5463
UNET 2 Corporation  212 777 5534 (fax)
80 East 11th Street 800 269 6422 (sales)
New York NY 10003   http://UNET.net http://HEPDigital.com   

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Re: Frames within Frames Question

[Art Campbell]

Putting the illustration in an anchored frame, not a graphic frame,
would be the standard way to do this, so that it floats and adjusts to
the right/left layout changes according to the parameters of the
paragraph tag...

And as far as twiddling the default setting, there are at least one or
two plug-ins that allow the preference to be set.

Art

On 5/1/07, James Monaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hello Framers,

We have books with different text frames for left and right master
pages (in order to leave more space in the gutter than on the
outside). When you insert a graphics frame for an illustration it
references the page, not the text frame. The result is that if the
pagination shifts, as it often does as you insert new graphics or
futz with the text, the graphics frames are often off-center since
they are getting their coordinates from the page, not the text frame,
which has moved.

Does anyone have a workaround for this?

(It seems to contradict the very principle from which Framemaker gets
its name!)

While I'm at it, it is annoying and time-consuming to have to set run-
around properties separately every time a graphics frame is inserted.
Shouldn't there be a Preference for Always Run-around Bounding Box?

(Mac FM 7.0, I'm on digest)

Thanks!


-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

James Monaco212 777 5463
UNET 2 Corporation  212 777 5534 (fax)
80 East 11th Street 800 269 6422 (sales)
New York NY 10003   http://UNET.net http://HEPDigital.com




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RE: Frames within Frames Question

[Combs, Richard]

James Monaco wrote:
 
 We have books with different text frames for left and right 
 master pages (in order to leave more space in the gutter than 
 on the outside). When you insert a graphics frame for an 
 illustration it references the page, not the text frame. The 
 result is that if the pagination shifts, as it often does as 
 you insert new graphics or futz with the text, the graphics 
 frames are often off-center since they are getting their 
 coordinates from the page, not the text frame, which has moved.

It sounds like you're placing graphics frames on the page instead of
anchoring them within the text flow. Look up anchored frames in the
manual or help. 

HTH!
Richard


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one more question -Fame vs. ArborText

[Diane Gaskill]

Hi all,

First, thanks to everyone who responded to my email on this topic. The
information is very helpful and I really do appreciate that you took the
time to respond.

One of the responses I received mentioned that the company had set up a
process to author in AT but was using FM to print because the AT print
engine is so slow.  So, apparently FM can import the XML that is generated
by AT, display it, and print to PDF.  Great.

Regarding that, I have a couple of XML-newbie questions.

What if you wanted to edit an AT-generated XML file in FM, or vice-versa?
The authoring tools are very different and do not have the same features.
Does XML somhow get around that?  (I know, that was two questions. :-)

Thanks lots.

Diane

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Re: OT: Business insurance for independent contractors

[Pat Christenson]

That's a great idea, Matt. I've contacted my insurance agent to see  
if this is a possibility. I'm also contacting Fireman's as Kelley  
suggested and I've gotten some offlist replies for which I'm grateful.


FYI, I'm located in California so that may affect the whole experience.

Thanks everyone and please continue to send me ideas as they occur to  
you.


Pat

On May 1, 2007, at 9:24 AM, Matt Sullivan wrote:

Business liability insurance is usually quite expensive for what  
you get,

but I got great advice from an insurance pal...

For those only needing self-coverage, attach a business rider to a  
homeowner
or renter policy. If you already carry such insurance, the increase  
in rates

is maybe 1/3 compared to a full policy and can give the exact coverage
needed.

If you don't already have some sort of personal property insurance,  
here's a

great excuse to cover things like engagement rings, watches, etc.

I think adding the business coverage along with items over my  
normal policy

limits was about 1/2 my previous business policy.

If anybody needs direct advice, I know a guy
Contact me off list if you'd like to email him.



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CMS for FrameMaker

[Rick Quatro]

Hello Framers,

Does anyone have a ready-list of CMS that work specifically with FrameMaker 
documents? Thank you very much.


Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com

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RE: one more question -Fame vs. ArborText

[Bernard Aschwanden]

XML sort of gets around it. The content is still the same, but the way that you 
work with it may be different.

HUGE GENERALIZATION FOLLOWS:

Think of it like working with HTML files. If we both reference a local 
stylesheet of c:\formats.css and we customize that one file we have two 
different looks. Now I open the web pages in Dreamweaver and do stuff. Then I 
send it to you. You open it in FrontPage and do stuff. We both use the tool of 
our choice and we both format it as we want.

The drawback: If either tool adds its own code then there may be issues. If 
they don't recognize some code that they should there can be issues. If the 
tools display content one way for me and I layout a specific page perfectly and 
then you have different formats my look and feel (and layout) is gone. Then you 
lay it out perfectly and I mess it up.

The problems can go back and forth.

However, if we share the style sheets, agree on what code to use and work as 
carefully as possible with each other then we can share the HTML. Even if our 
workflow is different. Even if the tools are different.



I've been doing this a lot lately with both Frame and XMetaL and have had a lot 
of luck sharing DITA compliant XML between them. So the answer that I have is:

You can edit XML in both AT and FM. Even if the tools are different, the code 
they share (in the XML file) should be very, very similar, or even the same. 
You may need to configure/set stuff up, but technically you can do a lot of 
this.

Hope that helps,

Bernard



Bernard Aschwanden
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Bright Path Solutions

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Diane Gaskill
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 2:09 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: one more question -Fame vs. ArborText

Hi all,

First, thanks to everyone who responded to my email on this topic. The
information is very helpful and I really do appreciate that you took the
time to respond.

One of the responses I received mentioned that the company had set up a
process to author in AT but was using FM to print because the AT print
engine is so slow.  So, apparently FM can import the XML that is generated
by AT, display it, and print to PDF.  Great.

Regarding that, I have a couple of XML-newbie questions.

What if you wanted to edit an AT-generated XML file in FM, or vice-versa?
The authoring tools are very different and do not have the same features.
Does XML somhow get around that?  (I know, that was two questions. :-)

Thanks lots.

Diane

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Re: OT: Business insurance for independent contractors

[Pat Christenson]

Good news! I have a personal liability umbrella policy that my client  
is willing to accept in place of a business policy.


But I appreciate all the ideas and info.

Pat Christenson
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Converting Robohelp to Frame (or other print output...)

[Matt Sullivan]

I know this is a bit backward, but does anyone have experience or have any
advice on converting Help formats (specifically Robohelp) into Frame for
printing purposes? 

 

How well does it maintain xref's and stylesheets?

 

 

-Matt Sullivan

 

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An Adobe Authorized Training Center

 http://www.grafixtraining.com/ www.grafixtraining.com

888 882-2819 

 

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Re: OT: Business insurance for independent contractors

[Scott Prentice]

Check out techinsurance.com. We've got both professional liability and 
business insurance through them and have been very happy with their 
service and price. If you check around, you'll get wildly differing 
quotes for supposedly the same coverage. From what I found, most 
insurance brokers don't really understand the varying types of tech 
that need to be insured, and often lump them all into the same (very 
pricey) category.


Good luck!

...scott


Pat Christenson wrote:
Are any of the independent contractors here carrying business 
insurance? It's been some time since I last checked on it but when I 
did, I found the cost to be very high and the coverage less than 
adequate. I was told at the time that very few companies would cover 
an independent contractor doing computer-related work (doc production) 
because they don't differentiate between for instance, someone setting 
up a payroll system who could do immense damage to a client and 
someone like me (setting up FrameMaker templates where it would be 
almost impossible to do large damage. When clients require insurance, 
I end up working through an agency but I'd prefer to be an IC.


Anyway, if anyone here is carrying it, I'd be interested to hear about 
your experience. Feel free to contact me offlist.


Thanks.

Pat Christenson
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RE: Converting Robohelp to Frame (or other print output...)

[Linda G. Gallagher]

Matt,

A tool called the Import Utility from the WebWorks folks can convert several
formats to FM. It does a good job if everything is in one file. When you
split the file into chapters, as you may want to do, You'll need to
re-create links.

I have to run now, but let me know if you want to know more. I've used it to
convert several RoboHelp projects to FM.

Full disclosure: I'm a reseller, but also a user of the product. 


~
Linda G. Gallagher
TechCom Plus, LLC
lindag at techcomplus dot com
www.techcomplus.com
303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144
User guides, online help, FrameMaker and
WebWorks ePublisher templates
 
Manager, STC Consulting and Independent
Contracting SIG
http://www.stcsig.org/cic/index.html
 


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Behalf Of Matt Sullivan
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 4:41 PM
To: 'Framers List'
Subject: Converting Robohelp to Frame (or other print output...)

I know this is a bit backward, but does anyone have experience or have any
advice on converting Help formats (specifically Robohelp) into Frame for
printing purposes? 

 

How well does it maintain xref's and stylesheets?

 

 

-Matt Sullivan

 

GRAFIX Training, Inc.

An Adobe Authorized Training Center

 http://www.grafixtraining.com/ www.grafixtraining.com

888 882-2819 

 

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RE: one more question -Fame vs. ArborText

[Allen, Richard (Raytheon)]

The short answer is YES XML gets around all of that.  

The long answer is that an application must be created in AT and a
separate application must be created in FM.  Setting up these
applications is usually a non-trivial effort.  

BTW any XML compliant product, including IE, will be able to use the
very same XML document instance regardless of what application was used
in creation or editing.  The application that needs to be created for IE
is an XSL style sheet which will almost certainly use XSLT.  There are
XML to PDF products which have nothing to do with FM.

An XML document instance is void of formatting.  Formatting is left to
the application, AT or FM or IE or...



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Subject: one more question -Fame vs. ArborText

Hi all,

First, thanks to everyone who responded to my email on this topic. The
information is very helpful and I really do appreciate that you took the
time to respond.

One of the responses I received mentioned that the company had set up a
process to author in AT but was using FM to print because the AT print
engine is so slow.  So, apparently FM can import the XML that is
generated
by AT, display it, and print to PDF.  Great.

Regarding that, I have a couple of XML-newbie questions.

What if you wanted to edit an AT-generated XML file in FM, or
vice-versa?
The authoring tools are very different and do not have the same
features.
Does XML somhow get around that?  (I know, that was two questions. :-)

Thanks lots.

Diane

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Two problems

[Shlomo Perets]

Charles,

You wrote:

 >... Second, and the reason I was trying to search the archives: I want to
 >create a link in an HTML file that will go to a named destination in a
 >PDF file. I know it can be done, and I have been able to find out how to
 >do it to a particular page or to alter a PDF file to include named
 >destinations. BUT-
 >I want to be able to set it up in FrameMaker, so that when I distill the
 >PDF, the named destination is already there, and the link will work. I'm
 >sure one of the gurus on this list can tell me how to accomplish that.
 >I did look in the FrameMaker documentation, but I couldn't find this
 >information there either.


In the HTML link, you have to append '#name' to the file name, #name being 
the named destination in the pdf, for example:
http://www.microtype.com/showcase/ConvertFMnewlink.pdf#Inspiration

#name is actually the short form of #nameddest=name, so you could also have:
http://www.microtype.com/showcase/ConvertFMnewlink.pdf#nameddest=Inspiration

Other variations are:
#page=4 -- if you want to open the target PDF on page 4,
#search=string -- to open the target PDF with the Search panel open showing 
locations for the specified strings, and the page with the first instance. 
For example:
http://www.microtype.com/showcase/MultimediaAsst/Guide.pdf#Search=silentium


As to named destinations in the PDF: if defined in FrameMaker using the 
newlink hypertext marker, a variable Mnn.8.newlink prefix is added (see 
http://www.microtype.com/ImprovePDF.html#12 for more information).


Shlomo Perets

MicroType, http://www.microtype.com * ToolbarPlus Express for FrameMaker
FrameMaker/Acrobat training & consulting * FrameMaker-to-Acrobat 
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OT: Business insurance for independent contractors

[Matt Sullivan]

Business liability insurance is usually quite expensive for what you get,
but I got great advice from an insurance pal...

For those only needing self-coverage, attach a business rider to a homeowner
or renter policy. If you already carry such insurance, the increase in rates
is maybe 1/3 compared to a full policy and can give the exact coverage
needed.

If you don't already have some sort of personal property insurance, here's a
great excuse to cover things like engagement rings, watches, etc.

I think adding the business coverage along with items over my normal policy
limits was about 1/2 my previous business policy.

If anybody needs direct advice, I "know a guy"
Contact me off list if you'd like to email him.



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-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+matt=grafixtraining@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+matt=grafixtraining.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Alan Litchfield
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 6:55 PM
To: Pat Christenson
Cc: framers List
Subject: Re: OT: Business insurance for independent contractors

Hi Pat

>
> Anyway, if anyone here is carrying it, I'd be interested to hear
> about your experience. Feel free to contact me offlist.
>

I have both general business insurance with large public liability cover and
where necessary I get professional indemnity insurance. The professional
indemnity insurance is the one that is really expensive. I only bother with
it
on specific jobs, otherwise I ensure that processes are in place where the
liability/accountability is held by the client.

When I have professional indemnity insurance the cover is only for the
specific job and is always a hassle to get sorted.

Cheers
Alan

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Frames within Frames Question

[James Monaco]

Hello Framers,

We have books with different text frames for left and right master  
pages (in order to leave more space in the gutter than on the  
outside). When you insert a graphics frame for an illustration it  
references the page, not the text frame. The result is that if the  
pagination shifts, as it often does as you insert new graphics or  
futz with the text, the graphics frames are often off-center since  
they are getting their coordinates from the page, not the text frame,  
which has moved.

Does anyone have a workaround for this?

(It seems to contradict the very principle from which Framemaker gets  
its name!)

While I'm at it, it is annoying and time-consuming to have to set run- 
around properties separately every time a graphics frame is inserted.  
Shouldn't there be a Preference for "Always Run-around Bounding Box"?

(Mac FM 7.0, I'm on digest)

Thanks!


-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

James Monaco212 777 5463
UNET 2 Corporation  212 777 5534 (fax)
80 East 11th Street 800 269 6422 (sales)
New York NY 10003   http://UNET.net http://HEPDigital.com   

Frames within Frames Question

[Art Campbell]

Putting the illustration in an anchored frame, not a graphic frame,
would be the standard way to do this, so that it floats and adjusts to
the right/left layout changes according to the parameters of the
paragraph tag...

And as far as twiddling the default setting, there are at least one or
two plug-ins that allow the preference to be set.

Art

On 5/1/07, James Monaco  wrote:
> Hello Framers,
>
> We have books with different text frames for left and right master
> pages (in order to leave more space in the gutter than on the
> outside). When you insert a graphics frame for an illustration it
> references the page, not the text frame. The result is that if the
> pagination shifts, as it often does as you insert new graphics or
> futz with the text, the graphics frames are often off-center since
> they are getting their coordinates from the page, not the text frame,
> which has moved.
>
> Does anyone have a workaround for this?
>
> (It seems to contradict the very principle from which Framemaker gets
> its name!)
>
> While I'm at it, it is annoying and time-consuming to have to set run-
> around properties separately every time a graphics frame is inserted.
> Shouldn't there be a Preference for "Always Run-around Bounding Box"?
>
> (Mac FM 7.0, I'm on digest)
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>
> James Monaco212 777 5463
> UNET 2 Corporation  212 777 5534 (fax)
> 80 East 11th Street 800 269 6422 (sales)
> New York NY 10003   http://UNET.net http://HEPDigital.com
>


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Frames within Frames Question

[Combs, Richard]

James Monaco wrote:

> We have books with different text frames for left and right 
> master pages (in order to leave more space in the gutter than 
> on the outside). When you insert a graphics frame for an 
> illustration it references the page, not the text frame. The 
> result is that if the pagination shifts, as it often does as 
> you insert new graphics or futz with the text, the graphics 
> frames are often off-center since they are getting their 
> coordinates from the page, not the text frame, which has moved.

It sounds like you're placing graphics frames on the page instead of
anchoring them within the text flow. Look up "anchored frames" in the
manual or help. 

HTH!
Richard


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Frames within Frames Question

[Matt Sullivan]

You'll need to place the anchor in a paragraph at the top of your desired
page.

Regardless of how it gets to the top, there are at least 3 ways to do this:
1-Put the anchor in the Figure/Table Title paragraph
2-Create a blank para and set the anchor position to At Insertion Point
3-Use the ol' 2pt Anchor para tag to minimize lost space at top of page

I'll let everyone else debate the merits of each approach...

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-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+matt=grafixtraining@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+matt=grafixtraining.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of James Monaco
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 9:39 AM
To: brad
Subject: Frames within Frames Question

Hello Framers,

We have books with different text frames for left and right master  
pages (in order to leave more space in the gutter than on the  
outside). When you insert a graphics frame for an illustration it  
references the page, not the text frame. The result is that if the  
pagination shifts, as it often does as you insert new graphics or  
futz with the text, the graphics frames are often off-center since  
they are getting their coordinates from the page, not the text frame,  
which has moved.

Does anyone have a workaround for this?

(It seems to contradict the very principle from which Framemaker gets  
its name!)

While I'm at it, it is annoying and time-consuming to have to set run- 
around properties separately every time a graphics frame is inserted.  
Shouldn't there be a Preference for "Always Run-around Bounding Box"?

(Mac FM 7.0, I'm on digest)

Thanks!


-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

James Monaco212 777 5463
UNET 2 Corporation  212 777 5534 (fax)
80 East 11th Street 800 269 6422 (sales)
New York NY 10003   http://UNET.net http://HEPDigital.com


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one more question -Fame vs. ArborText

[Diane Gaskill]

Hi all,

First, thanks to everyone who responded to my email on this topic. The
information is very helpful and I really do appreciate that you took the
time to respond.

One of the responses I received mentioned that the company had set up a
process to author in AT but was using FM to print because the AT print
engine is so slow.  So, apparently FM can import the XML that is generated
by AT, display it, and print to PDF.  Great.

Regarding that, I have a couple of XML-newbie questions.

What if you wanted to edit an AT-generated XML file in FM, or vice-versa?
The authoring tools are very different and do not have the same features.
Does XML somhow get around that?  (I know, that was two questions. :-)

Thanks lots.

Diane

OT: Business insurance for independent contractors

[Pat Christenson]

That's a great idea, Matt. I've contacted my insurance agent to see  
if this is a possibility. I'm also contacting Fireman's as Kelley  
suggested and I've gotten some offlist replies for which I'm grateful.

FYI, I'm located in California so that may affect the whole experience.

Thanks everyone and please continue to send me ideas as they occur to  
you.

Pat

On May 1, 2007, at 9:24 AM, Matt Sullivan wrote:

> Business liability insurance is usually quite expensive for what  
> you get,
> but I got great advice from an insurance pal...
>
> For those only needing self-coverage, attach a business rider to a  
> homeowner
> or renter policy. If you already carry such insurance, the increase  
> in rates
> is maybe 1/3 compared to a full policy and can give the exact coverage
> needed.
>
> If you don't already have some sort of personal property insurance,  
> here's a
> great excuse to cover things like engagement rings, watches, etc.
>
> I think adding the business coverage along with items over my  
> normal policy
> limits was about 1/2 my previous business policy.
>
> If anybody needs direct advice, I "know a guy"
> Contact me off list if you'd like to email him.
>

CMS for FrameMaker

[Rick Quatro]

Hello Framers,

Does anyone have a ready-list of CMS that work specifically with FrameMaker 
documents? Thank you very much.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com

one more question -Fame vs. ArborText

[Bernard Aschwanden]

XML sort of gets around it. The content is still the same, but the way that you 
work with it may be different.

HUGE GENERALIZATION FOLLOWS:

Think of it like working with HTML files. If we both reference a local 
stylesheet of c:\formats.css and we customize that one file we have two 
different looks. Now I open the web pages in Dreamweaver and do stuff. Then I 
send it to you. You open it in FrontPage and do stuff. We both use the tool of 
our choice and we both format it as we want.

The drawback: If either tool adds its own code then there may be issues. If 
they don't recognize some code that they should there can be issues. If the 
tools display content one way for me and I layout a specific page perfectly and 
then you have different formats my look and feel (and layout) is gone. Then you 
lay it out perfectly and I mess it up.

The problems can go back and forth.

However, if we share the style sheets, agree on what code to use and work as 
carefully as possible with each other then we can share the HTML. Even if our 
workflow is different. Even if the tools are different.



I've been doing this a lot lately with both Frame and XMetaL and have had a lot 
of luck sharing DITA compliant XML between them. So the answer that I have is:

You can edit XML in both AT and FM. Even if the tools are different, the code 
they share (in the XML file) should be very, very similar, or even the same. 
You may need to configure/set stuff up, but technically you can do a lot of 
this.

Hope that helps,

Bernard



Bernard Aschwanden
Director of Technology and Publishing Architecture
Bright Path Solutions

bernard at brightpathsolutions.com 

www.brightpathsolutions.com 



-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+bernard=publishingsmarter.com at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-bounces+bernard=publishingsmarter@lists.frameusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Diane Gaskill
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 2:09 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: one more question -Fame vs. ArborText

Hi all,

First, thanks to everyone who responded to my email on this topic. The
information is very helpful and I really do appreciate that you took the
time to respond.

One of the responses I received mentioned that the company had set up a
process to author in AT but was using FM to print because the AT print
engine is so slow.  So, apparently FM can import the XML that is generated
by AT, display it, and print to PDF.  Great.

Regarding that, I have a couple of XML-newbie questions.

What if you wanted to edit an AT-generated XML file in FM, or vice-versa?
The authoring tools are very different and do not have the same features.
Does XML somhow get around that?  (I know, that was two questions. :-)

Thanks lots.

Diane

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OT: Business insurance for independent contractors

[Pat Christenson]

Good news! I have a personal liability umbrella policy that my client  
is willing to accept in place of a business policy.

But I appreciate all the ideas and info.

Pat Christenson

Converting Robohelp to Frame (or other print output...)

[Matt Sullivan]

I know this is a bit backward, but does anyone have experience or have any
advice on converting Help formats (specifically Robohelp) into Frame for
printing purposes? 



How well does it maintain xref's and stylesheets?





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OT: Business insurance for independent contractors

[Scott Prentice]

Check out techinsurance.com. We've got both professional liability and 
business insurance through them and have been very happy with their 
service and price. If you check around, you'll get wildly differing 
quotes for supposedly the same coverage. From what I found, most 
insurance brokers don't really understand the varying types of "tech" 
that need to be insured, and often lump them all into the same (very 
pricey) category.

Good luck!

...scott


Pat Christenson wrote:
> Are any of the independent contractors here carrying business 
> insurance? It's been some time since I last checked on it but when I 
> did, I found the cost to be very high and the coverage less than 
> adequate. I was told at the time that very few companies would cover 
> an independent contractor doing computer-related work (doc production) 
> because they don't differentiate between for instance, someone setting 
> up a payroll system who could do immense damage to a client and 
> someone like me (setting up FrameMaker templates where it would be 
> almost impossible to do large damage. When clients require insurance, 
> I end up working through an agency but I'd prefer to be an IC.
>
> Anyway, if anyone here is carrying it, I'd be interested to hear about 
> your experience. Feel free to contact me offlist.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Pat Christenson
> pxenson at comcast.net
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Converting Robohelp to Frame (or other print output...)

[Linda G. Gallagher]

Matt,

A tool called the Import Utility from the WebWorks folks can convert several
formats to FM. It does a good job if everything is in one file. When you
split the file into chapters, as you may want to do, You'll need to
re-create links.

I have to run now, but let me know if you want to know more. I've used it to
convert several RoboHelp projects to FM.

Full disclosure: I'm a reseller, but also a user of the product. 


~
Linda G. Gallagher
TechCom Plus, LLC
lindag at techcomplus dot com
www.techcomplus.com
303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144
User guides, online help, FrameMaker and
WebWorks ePublisher templates
 
Manager, STC Consulting and Independent
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-Original Message-
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[mailto:framers-bounces+lindag=techcomplus.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Matt Sullivan
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 4:41 PM
To: 'Framers List'
Subject: Converting Robohelp to Frame (or other print output...)

I know this is a bit backward, but does anyone have experience or have any
advice on converting Help formats (specifically Robohelp) into Frame for
printing purposes? 



How well does it maintain xref's and stylesheets?





-Matt Sullivan



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one more question -Fame vs. ArborText

[Allen, Richard (Raytheon)]

The short answer is YES XML gets around all of that.  

The long answer is that an application must be created in AT and a
separate application must be created in FM.  Setting up these
applications is usually a non-trivial effort.  

BTW any XML compliant product, including IE, will be able to use the
very same XML document instance regardless of what application was used
in creation or editing.  The application that needs to be created for IE
is an XSL style sheet which will almost certainly use XSLT.  There are
XML to PDF products which have nothing to do with FM.

An XML document instance is void of formatting.  Formatting is left to
the application, AT or FM or IE or...



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Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 3:09 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: one more question -Fame vs. ArborText

Hi all,

First, thanks to everyone who responded to my email on this topic. The
information is very helpful and I really do appreciate that you took the
time to respond.

One of the responses I received mentioned that the company had set up a
process to author in AT but was using FM to print because the AT print
engine is so slow.  So, apparently FM can import the XML that is
generated
by AT, display it, and print to PDF.  Great.

Regarding that, I have a couple of XML-newbie questions.

What if you wanted to edit an AT-generated XML file in FM, or
vice-versa?
The authoring tools are very different and do not have the same
features.
Does XML somhow get around that?  (I know, that was two questions. :-)

Thanks lots.

Diane

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Answers: CMS for FrameMaker

[Diane Gaskill]

Hi Rick,

As part of my research on FM and AT, I have also been looking at CMS.  And I
found some good info.  I know of at least three CMS systems that will work
with FM and I have just begun to scratch the surface of the lists I am
looking at.

FM7 can be used with SiberSafe XML CMS.  See the article at
http://www.frameusers.com/?q=node/182

It can also be used with Astoria.  Actually it's a second version called
LightSpeedAstoria.
Go to www.cmsreview.com/Proprietary/directory.html  There are many systems
described and compared on that site.  Incidentally, Astoria can also be used
with AT.

Another good CMS system that can be used with FM is Vasont.  Vasont has a
plug-in for FM that allows you direct access to the CMS.
http://www.vasont.com/vasont/software/extensions.asp

The Vasont UI streamlines the writing and publishing process by providing an
editorial interface so that authors and editors can access Vasont?s
functionality from the main menu of their favorite authoring and publishing
tools, such as:
- Adobe? FrameMaker?
- Arbortext Epic Editor
- Just Systems XMetaL?
- Microsoft? Word

A CMS for Word...?  Yeah, but who'd wanna...  never mind.

Another good site with information on CMS is
http://www.cmsmatrix.org/
There are about a hundred systems listed there.  You can select any 10 of
them and the site will build a table comparing those ten.

Incidentally, Adobe has officially adopted DITA and CMS.   See the article
at
http://www.travelthepath.com/structure3.html

I am hoping that FM8 (which I've read in another email on this list is a
full release with new features) will put this all together very nicely.

Hope this helps.

Diane



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Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 12:59 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com; framers at omsys.com
Subject: CMS for FrameMaker


Hello Framers,

Does anyone have a ready-list of CMS that work specifically with FrameMaker
documents? Thank you very much.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com

OT: Business insurance for independent contractors

[Steve Rickaby]

At 13:55 +1200 1/5/07, Alan Litchfield wrote:

>I have both general business insurance with large public liability cover and
>where necessary I get professional indemnity insurance. The professional
>indemnity insurance is the one that is really expensive.

In the UK I have found that it can be, but does not have to be. You have to 
shop around and make sure that you are dealing with a company that really 
understands the risks, or lack of them, that they are being asked to 
underwrite. This pretty much means that you should be dealing with a specialist 
insurer.

>I only bother with it on specific jobs, otherwise I ensure that processes are 
>in place where the liability/accountability is held by the client.

I have not heard of job-specific insurance here, but I would be very cautious 
about such packages due to issues of retrospective liability. A 'failure' 
covered by a PI package could arise even years after the relevant documentation 
or software was created.

>When I have professional indemnity insurance the cover is only for the
>specific job and is always a hassle to get sorted.

Here software contractors and allied trades such as tech communicators can get 
cover from as little as ?150 pa. It was not always so, though, as I pointed out 
to Pat off-list: a decade ago when I first went out for PI cover, I was quoted 
from less than ?500 pa. to over ?3500 pa. for essentially the same thing.

Whether you *need* PI cover is another issue, and is heavily dependent on how 
you trade and your national laws.

-- 
Steve

Why have List AND Step paragraph tags?

[Michael Lewis]

Eli Har-Even:

> . . . Does anyone have a use-case where having two sets of
> numbered lists has been useful? Is there any reason for having both sets?

No use case, but I can certainly imagine situations where a complex step
requires an embedded list, and where a list item includes a (hopefully
short) procedure.


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OT: Business insurance for independent contractors

[Alan Litchfield]

Hi Pat

>
> Anyway, if anyone here is carrying it, I'd be interested to hear
> about your experience. Feel free to contact me offlist.
>

I have both general business insurance with large public liability cover and
where necessary I get professional indemnity insurance. The professional
indemnity insurance is the one that is really expensive. I only bother with it
on specific jobs, otherwise I ensure that processes are in place where the
liability/accountability is held by the client.

When I have professional indemnity insurance the cover is only for the
specific job and is always a hassle to get sorted.

Cheers
Alan

OT: Business insurance for independent contractors

[Kelley West]

Try Interstate or Fireman's Fund Insurance. I used to work for them, and
they have a large variety of professional liability insurance packages.


On 4/30/07 7:43 PM, "Pat Christenson"  wrote:

> Are any of the independent contractors here carrying business
> insurance? It's been some time since I last checked on it but when I
> did, I found the cost to be very high and the coverage less than
> adequate. I was told at the time that very few companies would cover
> an independent contractor doing computer-related work (doc
> production) because they don't differentiate between for instance,
> someone setting up a payroll system who could do immense damage to a
> client and someone like me (setting up FrameMaker templates where it
> would be almost impossible to do large damage. When clients require
> insurance, I end up working through an agency but I'd prefer to be an
> IC.
> 
> Anyway, if anyone here is carrying it, I'd be interested to hear
> about your experience. Feel free to contact me offlist.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Pat Christenson
> pxenson at comcast.net
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