Re: Off List

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Howard,

I agree: this is a quality list. :-)

This list has never, and in my view, should not be limiting itself to
technical solutions regarding FM problems, although this will always
be the main issue. There is so much more about FM than that, mainly
because of how different FM is to most publishing software. One of the
main questions is about when FM is applicable and when not. A
subquestion could be about the greens as you call it. Discussion of
that can be helpful in order to decide how much weight one should put
on the single-sourcing capabilities of FM. So I would think it is a
valid question on this list.

I'd rather keep things the way they have been for the six years I have
been on the list than having to try to search through a plethora of
lists discussing this or that border product of what would be
allowable on the FM list. It saves me a lot of time.

There have, from time to time, come up issues on the list that are
totally not related to FM or the list as a list. These issues have
been dealt with by the other framers and sometimes the list manager.

Thanks to all Framers on the list throughout the years. :-)

And, don't misunderstand me: I think your point qualifies as a valid
point for the list to discuss:
What does and should the list stand for?

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson

2009/1/25 Howard Rauch techtrans...@sbcglobal.net:
 One of the qualities of this list that I have always considered important was 
 that it was devoted to the best ways for using FrameMaker whether for solving 
 problems or evaluating its use. I have subscribed to other lists and 
 discontinued them because so many of the participants were pushing their own 
 personal agendas (I call them whiners) as opposed to the purpose of the 
 list.

 I have personally noted that a few have been pursuing the green agenda as of 
 late (myself included) whether pro-green or anti-green. The questionnaire 
 about printing user manuals itself promoted neither agenda, but (1) it has 
 promoted a good deal of controversial responses on both sides of the green 
 issue and (2) it was not really a FrameMaker issue.

 My point is this: When any of us submit anything to the FrameMaker list, 
 let's make sure it deals with the use of FrameMaker and not with personal 
 issues.

 Howard Rauch

 Technology Transfer, Inc.
 Linking Creators and Users of Technology
 933 North 18th Street
 Manitowoc WI 54220
 Office: 920-682-1528
 Cell: 920-629-0080
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RE: FM 9 Upgrade - Please share your views

[Kelly McDaniel]

As a victim of OLE compatibility/stability, I also support the method
described here. You will find far fewer encumbrances to production
workflow by using the import-by-reference method...Kelly.

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 8:50 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Cc: tnaha...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: FM 9 Upgrade - Please share your views

OLE support does seem to be improved in FM 9, but given the history of
Microsoft support and the general high level of problems associated with
it,
I wouldn't ever consider using it in a production environment. (In
passing,
the reason SP3 broke OLE was because the fix plugged a hole that was
supposed to allow remote execution on the host machine.)

Generating a PDF or PNG from Visio is quick and importing it by
reference in
Frame is easy. If something changes in the graphic, you can export from
Visio to the same file name and it'll all just continue to work.

Art

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and a
redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
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apply.
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On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 4:46 AM, Dov Isaacs isa...@adobe.com wrote:

 On the off-chance that you were not joking and on behalf of Adobe,
 let me assure you that Adobe has no built-in timer in FM itself for
 any purpose of forcing users to upgrade to make money selling
upgrades.

 The only so called timers in any Adobe products are associated with
 controlling test releases and trial versions of our products.

 And NO, FrameMaker 9 does NOT officially support Visio. It supports
OLE
 and to the degree that a particular combination of Visio and Windows
works
 together to specification, Visio is supported in that manner.
Personally,
 given Microsoft's tepid support for OLE these days, I would more
likely
 recommend playing Russian Roulette than using OLE with FrameMaker or
any
 other application!

- Dov

  -Original Message-
  From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:
 framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of
  Tarlochan S. Nahal
  Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 6:41 PM
  To: framers@lists.frameusers.com; Combs, Richard
  Subject: RE: FM 9 Upgrade - Please share your views
 
  Dear Richard Combs,
 
  I appreciate your detailed response. Actually, I had posted a
message
 realated to Visio sometime
  around late August 2008 on the framers list. There were some good
 responses, but there was no real
  solution. The problem was triggered by XP SP3 upgrade that altered
 something in the OS which caused FM
  to become hostile to Visio, or perhaps it was triggered by some sort
of
 built-in timer in FM itself.
  (I guess Adobe makes money by selling upgrades!)
 
  Yes, we moved Visio files as OLE objects into FM. Naturally, it does
have
 the application
  overhead, but the output is better and making any changes is easier.
Some
 of our  engineering drawings
  are done in Visio and it makes it easier for us to stick to that
format.
 
  Adobe Tech Support told me few days ago that FM9 does support Visio.
I
 will download the trial version
  and try it and see how it works.
 
  Again, thanks for sharing you experience.
 
  Best regards
 
  Tarlochan S. Nahal
  Sr. Technical Writer
 
  Atheros Communications, Inc.
 
 
 
  --- On Fri, 1/23/09, Combs, Richard richard.co...@polycom.com
wrote:
 
  From: Combs, Richard richard.co...@polycom.com
  Subject: RE: FM 9 Upgrade - Please share your views
  To: tnaha...@yahoo.com, framers@lists.frameusers.com
  Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 1:50 PM
 
  Tarlochan S. Nahal wrote:
 
   We are a small Tech Pubs group using FM 7.2 on Windows XP
platform.
   Recently, it started to behave strangly and refused to import any
Visio
   drawings. There seems to be no known cure for it with the current
 setup.
   Maybe it was automatic Windows SP upgrade that did the mischief.
It
   suddenly stopped accepting Visio drawings in their native format
 (.vsd).
   The situation is so bad that even if we can import a Visio
drawing, we
 are
   not able to save the document until we purge that drawing!
 
  FM has _never_ been able to import native Visio files. You weren't
  previously importing _files_, you were importing OLE2 _objects_
(complete
 with
  all the Visio application overhead and potential instability). If
you
 moved an
  FM file containing those OLE2 links onto a PC that didn't have Visio
  installed, the links would be broken, even if the Visio files were
there.
 The
  links open Visio.
 
  IMHO, OLE linking and embedding was never a very good idea except
for
 casual,
  occasional use.
 
  There was some discussion on this list a while ago about an XP
upgrade
 that
  introduced the more serious problem you're 

RE: Off List

[Kelly McDaniel]

I fear mine may have been the initial post that started the green
discussion. For that, please accept my apology.

The question I asked, though not directly related to FrameMaker, was
more in the venue of how PDFs were used without any green subtext. The
point of the issue is that I am attempting to move a PDF-only corporate
habit into an online delivery paradigm. To that end, I received many
off-list responses from folks I consider to be tops in the field. For
that, I am grateful...regards, Kelly.

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Bodvar
Bjorgvinsson
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 3:20 AM
To: Howard Rauch
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Off List

Howard,

I agree: this is a quality list. :-)

This list has never, and in my view, should not be limiting itself to
technical solutions regarding FM problems, although this will always
be the main issue. There is so much more about FM than that, mainly
because of how different FM is to most publishing software. One of the
main questions is about when FM is applicable and when not. A
subquestion could be about the greens as you call it. Discussion of
that can be helpful in order to decide how much weight one should put
on the single-sourcing capabilities of FM. So I would think it is a
valid question on this list.

I'd rather keep things the way they have been for the six years I have
been on the list than having to try to search through a plethora of
lists discussing this or that border product of what would be
allowable on the FM list. It saves me a lot of time.

There have, from time to time, come up issues on the list that are
totally not related to FM or the list as a list. These issues have
been dealt with by the other framers and sometimes the list manager.

Thanks to all Framers on the list throughout the years. :-)

And, don't misunderstand me: I think your point qualifies as a valid
point for the list to discuss:
What does and should the list stand for?

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson

2009/1/25 Howard Rauch techtrans...@sbcglobal.net:
 One of the qualities of this list that I have always considered
important was that it was devoted to the best ways for using FrameMaker
whether for solving problems or evaluating its use. I have subscribed to
other lists and discontinued them because so many of the participants
were pushing their own personal agendas (I call them whiners) as
opposed to the purpose of the list.

 I have personally noted that a few have been pursuing the green agenda
as of late (myself included) whether pro-green or anti-green. The
questionnaire about printing user manuals itself promoted neither
agenda, but (1) it has promoted a good deal of controversial responses
on both sides of the green issue and (2) it was not really a FrameMaker
issue.

 My point is this: When any of us submit anything to the FrameMaker
list, let's make sure it deals with the use of FrameMaker and not with
personal issues.

 Howard Rauch

 Technology Transfer, Inc.
 Linking Creators and Users of Technology
 933 North 18th Street
 Manitowoc WI 54220
 Office: 920-682-1528
 Cell: 920-629-0080
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RE: Off List

[John Sgammato]

As I recall, this was a voyage of several steps. 

I replied to your innocent question with some anecdotal evidence that
PDFs are seen are green in Germany, and printed manuals as actively
anti-green. 

Later, a third responder observed that trees are plentiful in the US,
which led to the way off-topic discussion that got us here. 

IMO, it is somewhat inevitable that a political opinion will be
expressed here from time to time, and the solution is to respond to it
directly rather than to the list.

john
 

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Kelly
McDaniel
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 10:19 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Off List

I fear mine may have been the initial post that started the green
discussion. For that, please accept my apology.

The question I asked, though not directly related to FrameMaker, was
more in the venue of how PDFs were used without any green subtext. The
point of the issue is that I am attempting to move a PDF-only corporate
habit into an online delivery paradigm. To that end, I received many
off-list responses from folks I consider to be tops in the field. For
that, I am grateful...regards, Kelly.

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Bodvar
Bjorgvinsson
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 3:20 AM
To: Howard Rauch
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Off List

Howard,

I agree: this is a quality list. :-)

This list has never, and in my view, should not be limiting itself to
technical solutions regarding FM problems, although this will always be
the main issue. There is so much more about FM than that, mainly because
of how different FM is to most publishing software. One of the main
questions is about when FM is applicable and when not. A subquestion
could be about the greens as you call it. Discussion of that can be
helpful in order to decide how much weight one should put on the
single-sourcing capabilities of FM. So I would think it is a valid
question on this list.

I'd rather keep things the way they have been for the six years I have
been on the list than having to try to search through a plethora of
lists discussing this or that border product of what would be
allowable on the FM list. It saves me a lot of time.

There have, from time to time, come up issues on the list that are
totally not related to FM or the list as a list. These issues have been
dealt with by the other framers and sometimes the list manager.

Thanks to all Framers on the list throughout the years. :-)

And, don't misunderstand me: I think your point qualifies as a valid
point for the list to discuss:
What does and should the list stand for?

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson

2009/1/25 Howard Rauch techtrans...@sbcglobal.net:
 One of the qualities of this list that I have always considered
important was that it was devoted to the best ways for using FrameMaker
whether for solving problems or evaluating its use. I have subscribed to
other lists and discontinued them because so many of the participants
were pushing their own personal agendas (I call them whiners) as
opposed to the purpose of the list.

 I have personally noted that a few have been pursuing the green agenda
as of late (myself included) whether pro-green or anti-green. The
questionnaire about printing user manuals itself promoted neither
agenda, but (1) it has promoted a good deal of controversial responses
on both sides of the green issue and (2) it was not really a FrameMaker
issue.

 My point is this: When any of us submit anything to the FrameMaker
list, let's make sure it deals with the use of FrameMaker and not with
personal issues.

 Howard Rauch

 Technology Transfer, Inc.
 Linking Creators and Users of Technology
 933 North 18th Street
 Manitowoc WI 54220
 Office: 920-682-1528
 Cell: 920-629-0080
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Re: Off List

[Art Campbell]

I welcome most of the side-threads, although people could push labeling them
with an OT in the subject line a bit more.

So I'd also vote for no changes required, at the moment.

I'm among the group of people who have figured out how the Delete key works,
as well as making use of Gmail's Mute command -- a wonderful thing.

Art

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redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
  DoD 358


On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 10:18 AM, Kelly McDaniel kmcdan...@pavtech.comwrote:

 I fear mine may have been the initial post that started the green
 discussion. For that, please accept my apology.

 The question I asked, though not directly related to FrameMaker, was
 more in the venue of how PDFs were used without any green subtext. The
 point of the issue is that I am attempting to move a PDF-only corporate
 habit into an online delivery paradigm. To that end, I received many
 off-list responses from folks I consider to be tops in the field. For
 that, I am grateful...regards, Kelly.

 -Original Message-
 From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Bodvar
 Bjorgvinsson
 Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 3:20 AM
 To: Howard Rauch
 Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Re: Off List

 Howard,

 I agree: this is a quality list. :-)

 This list has never, and in my view, should not be limiting itself to
 technical solutions regarding FM problems, although this will always
 be the main issue. There is so much more about FM than that, mainly
 because of how different FM is to most publishing software. One of the
 main questions is about when FM is applicable and when not. A
 subquestion could be about the greens as you call it. Discussion of
 that can be helpful in order to decide how much weight one should put
 on the single-sourcing capabilities of FM. So I would think it is a
 valid question on this list.

 I'd rather keep things the way they have been for the six years I have
 been on the list than having to try to search through a plethora of
 lists discussing this or that border product of what would be
 allowable on the FM list. It saves me a lot of time.

 There have, from time to time, come up issues on the list that are
 totally not related to FM or the list as a list. These issues have
 been dealt with by the other framers and sometimes the list manager.

 Thanks to all Framers on the list throughout the years. :-)

 And, don't misunderstand me: I think your point qualifies as a valid
 point for the list to discuss:
 What does and should the list stand for?

 Bodvar Bjorgvinsson

 2009/1/25 Howard Rauch techtrans...@sbcglobal.net:
  One of the qualities of this list that I have always considered
 important was that it was devoted to the best ways for using FrameMaker
 whether for solving problems or evaluating its use. I have subscribed to
 other lists and discontinued them because so many of the participants
 were pushing their own personal agendas (I call them whiners) as
 opposed to the purpose of the list.
 
  I have personally noted that a few have been pursuing the green agenda
 as of late (myself included) whether pro-green or anti-green. The
 questionnaire about printing user manuals itself promoted neither
 agenda, but (1) it has promoted a good deal of controversial responses
 on both sides of the green issue and (2) it was not really a FrameMaker
 issue.
 
  My point is this: When any of us submit anything to the FrameMaker
 list, let's make sure it deals with the use of FrameMaker and not with
 personal issues.
 
  Howard Rauch
 
  Technology Transfer, Inc.
  Linking Creators and Users of Technology
  933 North 18th Street
  Manitowoc WI 54220
  Office: 920-682-1528
  Cell: 920-629-0080
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Re: Off List

[Bill Swallow]

 I welcome most of the side-threads, although people could push labeling them
 with an OT in the subject line a bit more.

You mean like this one? ;)

 So I'd also vote for no changes required, at the moment.

I don't think a vote is necessary.

 I'm among the group of people who have figured out how the Delete key works,
 as well as making use of Gmail's Mute command -- a wonderful thing.

Gmail has mute? Woah. But yes, Delete works well.

Framers does not have a history of much off-topic noise. Calling
attention to the noise that does come through just creates more noise.

-- 
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RE: FM 9 Upgrade - Please share your views

[Tarlochan S. Nahal]

Dear Kelly McDaniel,
 
Thanks for sharing your experience. 
 
I am a believer in import-by-reference myself which has worked pretty reliably 
for me for many many years. I inherited some docs with many OLE diagrams and 
this method worked well for a while until this problem started to occur about 
five months ago. The situation is so ugly that simply double-clicking an 
existing OLE Visio drawing (and thus launching Visio) causes Frame to reject 
the drawing. You need to purge that drawing before you can save the FM doc. Now 
we know the limitations and will certainly give it a thought if we want to 
continue with this methodology.
 
Best regards
 
 
Tarlochan S. Nahal
 
Sr. Technical Writer

--- On Mon, 1/26/09, Kelly McDaniel kmcdan...@pavtech.com wrote:

From: Kelly McDaniel kmcdan...@pavtech.com
Subject: RE: FM 9 Upgrade - Please share your views
To: Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com, framers@lists.frameusers.com
Cc: tnaha...@yahoo.com
Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 7:10 AM

As a victim of OLE compatibility/stability, I also support the method
described here. You will find far fewer encumbrances to production
workflow by using the import-by-reference method...Kelly.

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 8:50 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Cc: tnaha...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: FM 9 Upgrade - Please share your views

OLE support does seem to be improved in FM 9, but given the history of
Microsoft support and the general high level of problems associated with
it,
I wouldn't ever consider using it in a production environment. (In
passing,
the reason SP3 broke OLE was because the fix plugged a hole that
was
supposed to allow remote execution on the host machine.)

Generating a PDF or PNG from Visio is quick and importing it by
reference in
Frame is easy. If something changes in the graphic, you can export from
Visio to the same file name and it'll all just continue to work.

Art

Art Campbell
 art.campb...@gmail.com
 ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
Vincent
and a
redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers
apply.
  DoD 358


On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 4:46 AM, Dov Isaacs isa...@adobe.com wrote:

 On the off-chance that you were not joking and on behalf of Adobe,
 let me assure you that Adobe has no built-in timer in FM
itself for
 any purpose of forcing users to upgrade to make money selling
upgrades.

 The only so called timers in any Adobe products are associated
with
 controlling test releases and trial versions of our products.

 And NO, FrameMaker 9 does NOT officially support Visio. It supports
OLE
 and to the degree that a particular combination of Visio and Windows
works
 together to specification, Visio is supported in that manner.
Personally,
 given Microsoft's tepid support for OLE these days, I would more
likely
 recommend playing Russian Roulette than using OLE with FrameMaker or
any
 other application!

- Dov

  -Original Message-
  From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:
 framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of
  Tarlochan S. Nahal
  Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 6:41 PM
  To: framers@lists.frameusers.com; Combs, Richard
  Subject: RE: FM 9 Upgrade - Please share your views
 
  Dear Richard Combs,
 
  I appreciate your detailed response. Actually, I had posted a
message
 realated to Visio sometime
  around late August 2008 on the framers list. There were some good
 responses, but there was no real
  solution. The problem was triggered by XP SP3 upgrade that altered
 something in the OS which caused FM
  to become hostile to Visio, or perhaps it was triggered by some sort
of
 built-in timer in FM itself.
  (I guess Adobe makes money by selling upgrades!)
 
  Yes, we moved Visio files as OLE objects into FM. Naturally, it does
have
 the application
  overhead, but the output is better and making any changes is easier.
Some
 of our  engineering drawings
  are done in Visio and it makes it easier for us to stick to that
format.
 
  Adobe Tech Support told me few days ago that FM9 does support Visio.
I
 will download the trial version
  and try it and see how it works.
 
  Again, thanks for sharing you experience.
 
  Best regards
 
  Tarlochan S. Nahal
  Sr. Technical Writer
 
  Atheros Communications, Inc.
 
 
 
  --- On Fri, 1/23/09, Combs, Richard richard.co...@polycom.com
wrote:
 
  From: Combs, Richard richard.co...@polycom.com
  Subject: RE: FM 9 Upgrade - Please share your views
  To: tnaha...@yahoo.com, framers@lists.frameusers.com
  Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 1:50 PM
 
  Tarlochan S. Nahal wrote:
 
   We are a small Tech Pubs group using FM 7.2 on Windows XP
platform.
   Recently, it started to behave strangly and refused to import
any
Visio
   

Is FM9 More Stable than FM8?

[ActionA]

Hi All,
 
We, at my company, are using FM8, and our files reside on a server. We've  
had numerous problems with crashing and file corruption that we did not have  
when we were using FM7. Is there any opinion on whether this new version, FM9,  
is more stable?
 
Thanks,
Nancy Adams
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Re: difficulties using italics for index entries in FM 8.0

[Lucie Haskins]

Shlomo,
You hit the nail on the head! I was at release 266. I thought I had 
updated to the latest release but obviously I hadn't.

I just downloaded the latest patch (I'm now at 273) and regenerated my 
index after applying the patch. All the missing entries now displayed! 
The problem has been resolved.

Thank you so much for pointing me in the right direction. Now, *why* FM 
didn't automatically update to 273 when I asked it to earlier this past 
weekend, I'll never know. It just updated me to 266...

Thank you again!
Lucie Haskins

- Original Message - 
From: Shlomo Perets shlo...@microtype.com
To: Lucie Haskins luc...@att.net; fram...@frameusers.com
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: difficulties using italics for index entries in FM 8.0


 Lucie,

 You wrote:

I've run into a very frustrating situation in creating index entries
where, if I'm using  Emphasis  Default Para Font combination
to italicize certain entries or portions of entries, it plays havoc
with the next entries in the list, the regenerated index combines the
next entry into the one I italicized.

I cannot figure out what the problem is... or if this is a known bug 
with FM 8.0

Here's an example

Munich Medical Weekly (publication)
 Jesionek's article 110, 111
 Sauerbruch/Gerson collaboration 92, 96
  von Weisl/Gerson collaboration 143
   84-93

[Note the 84-93 appearing on a new line at the end... This is really a
completely different entry...

Munich, Germany  84-93

Here is how I have the entries coded:

EmphasisMunich Medical Weekly Default Para Font(publication):
Jesionek's article
EmphasisMunich Medical Weekly Default Para Font(publication):
Sauerbruch/Gerson collaboration
EmphasisMunich Medical Weekly Default Para Font(publication): von
Weisl/Gerson collaboration

$startrangeMunich, Germany
$endrangeMunich, Germany

On a related problem, If I have an entry that needs to be completely
italicized, such as New York Times,

I've found that italicizing it as EmphasisNew York TimesDefault
Para Font will cause the entry to completely disappear!!! from the
regenerated index and the page numbers will roll up into the previous
(completely unrelated) index entry.

 There is a FM8 bug related to character formats in index entries, 
 causing the sort to be incorrect. (this is also present in FM8.0p277).

 Workaround: add a space before the character tag in the index entry, 
 and the page numbers will be sorted properly.

 For example:
 $startrangePlot Setup Emphasis
 $endrangePlot Setup Emphasis

 And likewise:
 Plot Setup Emphasis and Plot:Setup Emphasis


 With respect to the disappearing entries: there was a bug in earlier 
 FM8.0 releases were character formats used in markers for multi-level 
 entries containing the same text caused some entries to be missing in 
 the generated index. But this should have been fixed FM8.0p273.

 What is your FM8.0 release version?


 Shlomo Perets

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Importing Multi Page Tiffs, How ??

[Richard Melanson]

I posted this yesterday and was just wondering if anyone received it,
thank you. 

Hello Framers,
 
I have spent the last couples of hours trying to find an answer to this
question. I am importing by reference TIFFs into a Framemaker 8 file.
The TIFFs are a single file with multiple pages, but Frame is only
importing the first page. What am I missing here, I sure hope this is
not embarrassingly easy answer. Thank you for any help you can give me.
 
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Extra space after text insets

[Shrobona Choudhuri]

Hi!

 

While I am importing the text insets from a source file, an extra blank
line is automatically added after the content of the text inset. It
seems a minor problem, but I really don't want that extra space! I have
to go to the container document each time to remove this extra space.
How do I get rid of this problem?

 

 

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Find and Replace Paragraph Format Feature

[Eichelberger, Mark]

Folks,

We are one FrameMaker 7 and ePublisher 2008.3

 

We noticed that when we generated the html output of our FM source files
using ePublisher, the fonts for some of our paragraph formats were
altered.  We looked at the Cascading Style Sheet and noticed that
paragraph formats that contained a period in the format name came across
in the css with the value '002e' substituted for the period.  When we
looked into ePublisher's help we discovered the warning from ePublisher
that paragraph format names should not contains periods as they cause
issues when the css is created.   

 

So we now realize we have to create new paragraph formats in Frame that
do not have any periods in the names.

 

Does anyone know if there is a find and replace feature in Frame that
would allow us to replace text tagged with the offending paragraph
format to use another paragraph format that has a supported format name.

 

Thanks in advance,

Mark

 

 

 

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Re: FM8 seems to be sluggish on my PC

[Alan Barber]

Well, it doesn't work that way for me.

Laptop: four year old Sony, optimized for battery life over performance; 1.2 
GHz, .5 GB RAM (!!), XP SP3; FM8p273.

Desktop: Dual CPU 2.13 GHz, 4GB RAM, Vista SP1; FM8p277.

With the desktop it takes six seconds to scroll across two 90character lines 
with Paragraph, Character, and Table Designers open. Also six seconds with all 
designers closed. Plus or minus a second. Tried it with Photoshop and 
Illustrator also open; same result.

With the laptop, ten seconds with 'em open, six with 'em closed. A modest hit, 
I say, for a machine that's always sluggish.

Maybe the complexity of the document matters. I used a single, fourteen page 
document with only four paragraph tags. No graphics, no tables.

That desktop is by no means high performance. I bought a similar one for my 
wife last month for under $500. I've always found Vista to be very snappy, even 
as others have complained of sluggish performance.

Alan Barber

Richard Combs wrote:
 Your explanation makes sense, and suggests that the degree of slowdown
will depend on how many different pgf and char tags the cursor moves
through. There's a lot of information displayed in the Designer dialogs,
and if it changes every few characters or lines... 

I *think* (not sure though) that FM seems to check *every* time the
arrow key is pressed, regardless of whether there is an actual char tag
that it moves through. So, it slows down even when simply moving along
the same paragraph for example.

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RE: New Adobe Technical Communication Suite 2andnewAdobeeLearningSuite

[Jeff Coatsworth]

Yes, they called it round-tripping from FM to PDF  back again in the
demo.

  
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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Owen, Clint
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Subject: RE: New Adobe Technical Communication Suite
2andnewAdobeeLearningSuite

Exactly. That is what they show in the TC2 demonstration.

Clint


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Gillian
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 1:26 PM
To: Mike Wickham; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: New Adobe Technical Communication Suite 2
andnewAdobeeLearningSuite

When you say integrated PDF review, do you mean that when someone makes
a comment on a PDF when in review, you can import those changes and
comments into the Frame file, instead of having to copy and paste them
and then edit your text? 


-Gillian


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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Mike Wickham
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 12:30 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: New Adobe Technical Communication Suite 2 and
newAdobeeLearningSuite

 Acrobat 9 is in all 3.
 Captivate is in TC and eLearning.
 Flash in eLearning and CS4.
 PhotoShop is in eLearning and CS4.
 Dreamweaver is in eLearning and CS4.
 The unique s/w in TC is FM and RoboHelp which I need for clients.
 In eLearning: Presenter and Soundbooth.
 In CS4: InDesign, Illustrator, and Fireworks.

Actually, Photoshop and Presenter are also in TC.

I'm bummed out if it's true that the standalone version of FM9 doesn't
share the integrated PDF review capability of TCS. I would really like
that feature, but FM is the only product I need from that suite, since I
have
CS4
Design Premium. There's no way I'm going to pay $1299 to upgrade and
then be forced into the more expensive upgrade path for future versions,
too.

Mike Wickham


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Re: New Adobe Technical Communication Suite 2 and newAdobeeLearningSuite

[Soeren Rievers]

The following text is from the adobe site (
http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/features/?view=topnew)


Importing of comments from PDF files

Easily gather and incorporate review comments from subject matter experts 
and other colleagues. Use the Track Text Edits feature and a new user 
interface to efficiently manage review processes.


So it is possible according to the new feature list.

Best Regards,
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Re: New Adobe Technical Communication Suite 2 and newAdobeeLearningSuite






 I'm bummed out if it's true that the standalone version of FM9 doesn't
 share the integrated PDF review capability of TCS. I would really like 
 that
 feature, but FM is the only product I need from that suite, since I 
have
 CS4 Design Premium. There's no way I'm going to pay $1299 to upgrade
 and then be forced into the more expensive upgrade path for future
 versions, too.

 When you say integrated PDF review, do you mean that when someone
 makes a comment on a PDF when in review, you can import those changes
 and comments into the Frame file, instead of having to copy and paste 
them
 and then edit your text?

Yes. I just went back and looked at the online video. They are calling it 
PDF shared review, but there is not one word of mention of it in the FM9 

user guide, nor of the File Save as PDF (Send For Review) menu item in 
FM9. 
I can see in my existing Acrobat 9 Pro an option to Send for Shared 
Review, 
so it's clear that I can send a PDF for review, and get back the changes, 
but not clear if the standalone version of FM9 can import the changes 
directly into FM9-- or if that's a feature available only in the TCS 
version 
of FM9.

Mike Wickham


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Ctrl-Alt-u shortcut bug

[Heidi Bailey]

Hi,

Has anyone seen or got a solution to the Ctrl-Alt-u shortcut bug? When I use 
it, FM places a ú

in front of the word following the selected text.

 

Thanks, 

 

Heidi Bailey

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Screen Capture

[Brian Lamborn]

All, 

Not really a FrameMaker question, but... 

I am creating some manuals and I need to include some screen shots of our 
configuration software. Any recommendations on which screen capture software 
works best? 

Thanks, 


Brian Lamborn 
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Questions about TCS2 and RoboHelp Server

[Joseph]

Hi all,

My company is considering buying the Technical Communications Suite 2 and
Robohelp Server.  However, we have two questions about it, that I haven't
been able to find answers, too. I hope someone can help.

1. Over the long term, we want to transition our documentation into adobe
air applications. However, the last I checked the adobe air add on for
Robohelp only supported English. We need support for multiple languages,
specifically Japanese. Does anyone know if RoboHelp 8 with AIR  supports
multiple languages and if so which ones?   .

2.  How does TCS 2 work with the RoboHelp Server? Do they integrate well?
Is there support for multiple languages, including Japanese? What features
would the RoboHelp Server give us with Air and without? What would be the
benefits of having TCS 2 and Robohelp Server together?

-- 
Sincerely,

Joseph Lorenzini
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Re: New Adobe Technical Communication Suite 2 and new, Adobe

[Jerry Kindall]

Thus spake Doug Cuff subscr...@cuff.ca:

 I hope that FM9 will meet your needs. I also fear that it won't.

Wow, what a pleasant surprise seeing your name on the Framers list!
What have you been up to lately?  Clearly it involves FrameMaker.  :-)  

I started at Tecplot, a scientific data visualization software company,
last July.  This is my first gig using FrameMaker in several years, so I
have only recently been lurking on the Framers list.

-- 
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Re: PDF Documentation

[Anne Urban]

Hi Kelly,

A quick check here says that our Asia-Pacific customers want
DVDs.  Customers who take our training ask for printed sets of
manuals.  Everyone else downloads the PDF.  Hope this helps!

Regards,
Anne Urban
Senior Technical Editor
Altair Engineering

Kelly McDaniel wrote:
 Quick Survey:
 
  
 
 Is it your experience that users view PDF documentation on their
 computer display in preference to printing it for use?
 
 If so, by what ratio of view:print? Opinions and SWAGs are fine.
 
  
 
 Kelly M. McDaniel
 
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 Pavilion Technologies
 
 A Rockwell Automation Company
 
  
 
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FM9 show stoppers

[Klaus Daube]

Trying to use FM9 reveals beside the goodies (modern interface, 
enhanced book handling, list of referenced files, variables, cross 
references, ...) also some misbehaviour becomes obvious:

The first one has already been mentioned here:
Various lists (¶ format by F9, variable names by CTRL+0, ...) do no 
more behave as usual: 

Having the formats ln-list-narrow and lc-list-check and want to get ln, 
i must type l, then arrow-down. Typing ln applies the format n1-
numbered-1st. 
Up to FM-8 we entered l, n, enter. The enter must now be avoided like 
hell, if the item is the only one in the list starting with that 
character. 

This was not a special feature of FM-8 and beyond, but is common 
behaviour in Windows. In an Open dialog, entering abc opens the list of 
files: first all beginning with a, then beginning with ab, then with 
abc - which is _very_ vonvenient (well, this might be to an option in 
the UI, but on my XP it works this way).

The second one is a tough experience:
Backspace has become a nightmare on my 3MHz machine with 4GB of RAM. I 
can not correct input in the usual manner, because i have typed to many 
times until the program reacts! Do I need to switch off UNDO (which is 
not possible)? I have already switched off show warnings while 
cleaning history, Checkout HTTP..., Upload HTTP... in preferences.

Also the arrow keys - used for example, to extend a selection - a-r-e-v-
e-r-y-s-l-o-w! This is NOT an issue of my machine - no other program 
has this behaviour.

A third great annoyance:
The new buttons are gray in normal state and coloured if hovered over. 
Since we are now working with larger screens (i have a 24 + a 22 side 
by side) easy recognition of items on this real estate is key for 
speedy work.

A reason for my displeasure:
FrameMaker users are keyboard-people, while CS (creative) users in the 
graphic area are mouse oriented. For graphic work this is also the case 
with me. But authoring text is typing and applying formats by short 
cuts. 

With the large screens FM9 now supports it is slowing down my work 
significantly to take the mouse for such operations, even with a tablet 
which gives more instant access to remote locations on a screen.

Althoug I like most of the new things - the feeling under my fingertips 
is bad.

Klaus daube
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Re: PDF Documentation

[Joseph]

Dear Kelly McDaniel,

In my experience working in the IT and telecommunications field, PDFs are
used almost exclusively.  The only time I have seen hard copies used is
during eLearning courses, but that's a different context (though related)
than technical documentation.

Here's why. I am writing to a highly educated, technically savvy audience.
This audience is already well-informed about the field I am writing about.
Consequently, they don't need to read every single chapter of a 600-page
manual (yes, I have edited one of those), they only need specific pieces
(i.e. modules) of information to expand or deepen their understanding of one
particular aspect of the technology that I am writing about.

In other words, my audience isn't using PDFs as a book but a reference
guide. The key is being able to locate specific pieces of information
contained in a tremendous amount of other information they don't care about.
This means that a PDFs bookmarking and search capabilities are key. With
those two features, the PDF meets my audience's needs regardless of what an
individual member is looking for.

What I find particularly interesting is the slow migration away from PDFs to
a browser-based help systems. In many ways, PDFs still belong to a
print-based paradigm. They have the look and feel of a manual/book, with the
corresponding headers, footers, and pagination. These things are appropriate
if you are creating a hard copy but its increasingly hard for me to see the
justification for these manual-like attributes with PDFs that are viewed
solely on a computer screen.

If a user only views a PDF on a computer screen, then they generally don't
care about pagination. Why would they? They have context searchable help,
book marks, and hyperlinks.  Furthermore, why are PDFs constrained by the
dimensions of a physical piece of paper? If you have a computer screen, your
dimensions are much more fungible.

That's why I believe systems such as Adobe AIR applications are going to
become the primary publication method in the technical communications field.
In the cases, where hard copies and PDFs are still appropriate (and they
still will be), I believe XML languages will function as translators to
simultaneously output content to both online help systems and PDFs (I
believe DITA is able to do something along these lines).

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List of Figures/Tables Question

[Brian Lamborn]

All, 

I am using FM8.0p273 on a XP SP3 machine. 

When I insert a table or figure into my document, I have the formatting set up 
to number the figures and tables. The formatting is set up as follows: 

F: Figure n+: 

T:Table n+: 


The numbering works flawlessly. However, when I generate a list of figures or a 
list of tables, I would like FrameMaker to pull the numbering with the title, 
not just the title as it does now. 

In the past when I was FORCED (by client requirements) to develop manuals using 
Word, I could do this. Surely Frame has a way of making this happen. Any 
suggestions would be greatly appreciated. 

Thanks, 

Brian Lamborn 
blamb...@comcast.net 

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Is there a Frame with RoboHelp digest out there?

[Callie Bertsche]

I apologize for straying slightly off topic, especially since as a loyal
framer I appreciate the lack of extraneous postings that bloat other
digests. However, I am v. eager to find a RoboHelp digest. Does anyone
know of one out there? Have googled to no avail. As a Framer / WebWorks
user I am interested in hearing how the new release of RoboHelp is
shaping up. We recently downloaded the trial of FrameMaker 9, and it is
v. beautiful. Warning to other Framers: playing with the trial of
FrameMaker 9 for only a short time will make going back to earlier
versions of FrameMaker painful. :) I love the docked windows and
customizable, updated interface of FM 9!
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Re: Screen Capture

[Art Campbell]

There are a herd of them, and I played with a lot of them, but SnagIt worked
most smoothly for me; has a slew of options; and has a toolbar that
integrates cleanly with Frame, so you can do the screen shot and import in
one action from with in FM.

Art

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On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Brian Lamborn blamb...@comcast.netwrote:

 All,

 Not really a FrameMaker question, but...

 I am creating some manuals and I need to include some screen shots of our
 configuration software. Any recommendations on which screen capture software
 works best?

 Thanks,


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 blamb...@comcast.net

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RE: Screen Capture

[Lea Rush]

I got many recommendations for SnagIt on my recent question. My question in
reply is whether anyone has tried Cropper? I've used it for a while, and for
anything but open menus, it works nicely for me. 

 -Original Message-
 From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-
 boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lamborn
 Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 8:07 AM
 To: Frame Users
 Subject: Screen Capture
 
 All,
 
 Not really a FrameMaker question, but...
 
 I am creating some manuals and I need to include some screen shots of our
 configuration software. Any recommendations on which screen capture
software
 works best?
 
 Thanks,
 
 
 Brian Lamborn
 blamb...@comcast.net
 
_

Lea Rush
Software and Documentation Specialist
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PO Box 830 Clackamas OR 97015
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Re: Is there a Frame with RoboHelp digest out there?

[Art Campbell]

You may want to check out the Tech Comm Suite User's group at
http://groups.google.com/group/TCS-Users?hl=en

New, small group that seems to have a high level of experience.

(Disclaimer: I started it.)

Art

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On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Callie Bertsche c.berts...@tecplot.comwrote:

 I apologize for straying slightly off topic, especially since as a loyal
 framer I appreciate the lack of extraneous postings that bloat other
 digests. However, I am v. eager to find a RoboHelp digest. Does anyone
 know of one out there? Have googled to no avail. As a Framer / WebWorks
 user I am interested in hearing how the new release of RoboHelp is
 shaping up. We recently downloaded the trial of FrameMaker 9, and it is
 v. beautiful. Warning to other Framers: playing with the trial of
 FrameMaker 9 for only a short time will make going back to earlier
 versions of FrameMaker painful. :) I love the docked windows and
 customizable, updated interface of FM 9!
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Re: List of Figures/Tables Question

[Art Campbell]

On the Reference pages of the list, look for the collection of tags that
control the source.
It'll probably look like several sets of:
$paratext $pagenum

Add the variable to generate the number, in front of the paragraph, to
create something like:
$paranum $paratext $pagenum

Save the file and update the book.

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On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Brian Lamborn blamb...@comcast.netwrote:

 All,

 I am using FM8.0p273 on a XP SP3 machine.

 When I insert a table or figure into my document, I have the formatting set
 up to number the figures and tables. The formatting is set up as follows:

 F: Figure n+:

 T:Table n+:


 The numbering works flawlessly. However, when I generate a list of figures
 or a list of tables, I would like FrameMaker to pull the numbering with the
 title, not just the title as it does now.

 In the past when I was FORCED (by client requirements) to develop manuals
 using Word, I could do this. Surely Frame has a way of making this happen.
 Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

 Thanks,

 Brian Lamborn
 blamb...@comcast.net

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Re: Screen Capture

[Shmuel Wolfson]

I like HyperSnap. It's an excellent screen capture program and has very 
good editing options.
If you want to go the free route, MWSnap is the best free one I've seen 
so far.

-- 
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Brian Lamborn wrote:
 All, 

 Not really a FrameMaker question, but... 

 I am creating some manuals and I need to include some screen shots of our 
 configuration software. Any recommendations on which screen capture software 
 works best? 

 Thanks, 


 Brian Lamborn 
 blamb...@comcast.net 

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Re: Questions about TCS2 and RoboHelp Server

[Art Campbell]

As for Question 1, AIR supports about 15-18 languages, RoboHelp and RH
Server fewer, and all list Japanese.

The complete lists are on each products' System Requirements pages.

Art


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On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 12:34 PM, Joseph panoptico...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all,

 My company is considering buying the Technical Communications Suite 2 and
 Robohelp Server.  However, we have two questions about it, that I haven't
 been able to find answers, too. I hope someone can help.

 1. Over the long term, we want to transition our documentation into adobe
 air applications. However, the last I checked the adobe air add on for
 Robohelp only supported English. We need support for multiple languages,
 specifically Japanese. Does anyone know if RoboHelp 8 with AIR  supports
 multiple languages and if so which ones?   .

 2.  How does TCS 2 work with the RoboHelp Server? Do they integrate well?
 Is there support for multiple languages, including Japanese? What features
 would the RoboHelp Server give us with Air and without? What would be the
 benefits of having TCS 2 and Robohelp Server together?

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RE: Screen Capture

[Kelly McDaniel]

Same for me. Fast, cheap, and stable...Kelly.

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 12:33 PM
To: Brian Lamborn
Cc: Frame Users
Subject: Re: Screen Capture

There are a herd of them, and I played with a lot of them, but SnagIt
worked
most smoothly for me; has a slew of options; and has a toolbar that
integrates cleanly with Frame, so you can do the screen shot and import
in
one action from with in FM.

Art

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and a
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apply.
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blamb...@comcast.netwrote:

 All,

 Not really a FrameMaker question, but...

 I am creating some manuals and I need to include some screen shots of
our
 configuration software. Any recommendations on which screen capture
software
 works best?

 Thanks,


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 blamb...@comcast.net

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RE: FM9 show stoppers

[Kelly McDaniel]

A third great annoyance:
The new buttons are gray in normal state and coloured if hovered over.

I thought that maybe I was too picky, but this bothers me, too.

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Klaus Daube
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 5:21 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FM9 show stoppers

Trying to use FM9 reveals beside the goodies (modern interface, 
enhanced book handling, list of referenced files, variables, cross 
references, ...) also some misbehaviour becomes obvious:

The first one has already been mentioned here:
Various lists (¶ format by F9, variable names by CTRL+0, ...) do no 
more behave as usual: 

Having the formats ln-list-narrow and lc-list-check and want to get ln, 
i must type l, then arrow-down. Typing ln applies the format n1-
numbered-1st. 
Up to FM-8 we entered l, n, enter. The enter must now be avoided like 
hell, if the item is the only one in the list starting with that 
character. 

This was not a special feature of FM-8 and beyond, but is common 
behaviour in Windows. In an Open dialog, entering abc opens the list of 
files: first all beginning with a, then beginning with ab, then with 
abc - which is _very_ vonvenient (well, this might be to an option in 
the UI, but on my XP it works this way).

The second one is a tough experience:
Backspace has become a nightmare on my 3MHz machine with 4GB of RAM. I 
can not correct input in the usual manner, because i have typed to many 
times until the program reacts! Do I need to switch off UNDO (which is 
not possible)? I have already switched off show warnings while 
cleaning history, Checkout HTTP..., Upload HTTP... in preferences.

Also the arrow keys - used for example, to extend a selection - a-r-e-v-
e-r-y-s-l-o-w! This is NOT an issue of my machine - no other program 
has this behaviour.

A third great annoyance:
The new buttons are gray in normal state and coloured if hovered over. 
Since we are now working with larger screens (i have a 24 + a 22 side 
by side) easy recognition of items on this real estate is key for 
speedy work.

A reason for my displeasure:
FrameMaker users are keyboard-people, while CS (creative) users in the 
graphic area are mouse oriented. For graphic work this is also the case 
with me. But authoring text is typing and applying formats by short 
cuts. 

With the large screens FM9 now supports it is slowing down my work 
significantly to take the mouse for such operations, even with a tablet 
which gives more instant access to remote locations on a screen.

Althoug I like most of the new things - the feeling under my fingertips 
is bad.

Klaus daube
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RE: Screen Capture

[Syed.Hosain]

Brian Lamborn wrote:
 I am creating some manuals and I need to include some screen shots of
our configuration software. Any recommendations on which screen capture
software works best? 

I just use the built-in Windows capabilities (works well for me) ...
some others here like Snag-It.

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RE: Screen Capture

[David Spreadbury]

All of the posted options will work, but if you want better control over
your captures, SnagIt (www.textsmith.com) is probably in the Cadillac class.
For less than $50, it is a steal.

Another inexpensive, and good, option is Gadwin Print Screen Pro
(www.gadwin.com). You can buy the latest version for less than $25. They
also advertise a freeware version as well. You might try
www.freewarehome.com for the freeware version.

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Brian Lamborn wrote:
 I am creating some manuals and I need to include some screen shots of
our configuration software. Any recommendations on which screen capture
software works best? 

I just use the built-in Windows capabilities (works well for me) ...
some others here like Snag-It.

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RE: FM9 show stoppers

[Alan Litchfield]

Kelly McDaniel wrote:
 A third great annoyance:
 The new buttons are gray in normal state and coloured if hovered over.

 I thought that maybe I was too picky, but this bothers me, too.


Just about this, I thought that in 'normal' UI design terms a button is greyed
out if it is *not* available in that context and is coloured if it *is*. So
the widgets may be available, or not, but in either instance they are greyed
out until you hover over them?

Alan

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Re: Screen Capture

[Mike Wickham]

 Any recommendations on which screen capture software works best? 

SnagIt. Very powerful.

Mike Wickham


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Re: Extra space after text insets

[Stuart Rogers]

Shrobona Choudhuri wrote:
 Hi!
 
  
 
 While I am importing the text insets from a source file, an extra blank
 line is automatically added after the content of the text inset. It
 seems a minor problem, but I really don't want that extra space! I have
 to go to the container document each time to remove this extra space.
 How do I get rid of this problem?
 

I'm not sure why your message from the 21st has only appeared in my 
inbox today (26th), but I don't see any replies, so here's one for you: 
  before you import the text inset, put a space (or better, a 
ctrl-space, so you'll see the text symbol) in the container pgf.  Then 
move your cursor in front of the ctrl-space and import the inset.



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Re: Importing Multi Page Tiffs, How ??

[Art Campbell]

Richard,
I think you may have uncovered a rare bug. I hadn't ever seen a multi-page
TIF before... and I bet the coders hadn't either. I'd expect Frame to treat
it as a multi-page PDF and prompt you to select which page to display.

May be worth opening a bug on it.

The only work-around I can suggest is to either cut the TIF into single
pages with something like Photoshop or create a PDF from it, so you can
select which page to display.

Art

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On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Richard Melanson
rmelan...@spirecorp.comwrote:

 I posted this yesterday and was just wondering if anyone received it,
 thank you.

 Hello Framers,

 I have spent the last couples of hours trying to find an answer to this
 question. I am importing by reference TIFFs into a Framemaker 8 file.
 The TIFFs are a single file with multiple pages, but Frame is only
 importing the first page. What am I missing here, I sure hope this is
 not embarrassingly easy answer. Thank you for any help you can give me.

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Re: Importing Multi Page Tiffs, How ??

[Alan Litchfield]

Multi-page tiffs are pretty common really.

I remember replying to this, so I am not certain why it has come up again. But
anyway I suggested opening the tiff in an application that supports multi-page
tiffs (probably *not* Photoshop) and print the file to PDF (press-quality
settings if you want to print it). This produces a multi-page PDf which can be
easily imported into FM.

Alan

Art Campbell wrote:
 Richard,
 I think you may have uncovered a rare bug. I hadn't ever seen a multi-page
 TIF before... and I bet the coders hadn't either. I'd expect Frame to treat
 it as a multi-page PDF and prompt you to select which page to display.

 May be worth opening a bug on it.

 The only work-around I can suggest is to either cut the TIF into single
 pages with something like Photoshop or create a PDF from it, so you can
 select which page to display.

 Art

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 On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Richard Melanson
 rmelan...@spirecorp.comwrote:

 I posted this yesterday and was just wondering if anyone received it,
 thank you.

 Hello Framers,

 I have spent the last couples of hours trying to find an answer to this
 question. I am importing by reference TIFFs into a Framemaker 8 file.
 The TIFFs are a single file with multiple pages, but Frame is only
 importing the first page. What am I missing here, I sure hope this is
 not embarrassingly easy answer. Thank you for any help you can give me.

 Rick
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RE: Screen Capture

[Fred Ridder]

Responding to Brian Lamborn, David Spreadbury wrote (in part):
 
 All of the posted options will work, but if you want better control over
 your captures, SnagIt (www.textsmith.com) is probably in the Cadillac class.
 For less than $50, it is a steal.
 
I second David's recommendation of SnagIt, but I would point out that the
correct URL is www.techsmith.com. They have a free 30-day demo which
is well worth the price. ;^)
 
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[Fwd: RE: Importing Multi Page Tiffs, How ??]

[Alan Litchfield]

OK. Leave the tiff. Don't delete it or change its name ;)

Print it to PDF and use that by reference in your Frame document. When the
tiff is updated, update the pdf. There are no other changes that need to be
made to the file.

Cheers
Alan

Richard Melanson wrote:
 Thank you all very much for responding to my question.

 One important fact I may have left out, I am importing the TIFF by
 reference and I do NOT have any control over the Master I am importing.
 I cannot convert it, dissect it, etc  :-)  My hands are tied, I have to
 use the tiff as it exists on my network.




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RE: Importing Multi Page Tiffs, How ??

[Dov Isaacs]

I would hardly say that multipage TIFF files are pretty common unless 
your pretty common world of TIFF is primarily FAX servers.

- Dov

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 From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of
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 Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 1:04 PM
 To: Art Campbell
 Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com; Richard Melanson
 Subject: Re: Importing Multi Page Tiffs, How ??
 
 Multi-page tiffs are pretty common really.
 
 I remember replying to this, so I am not certain why it has come up again. But
 anyway I suggested opening the tiff in an application that supports multi-page
 tiffs (probably *not* Photoshop) and print the file to PDF (press-quality
 settings if you want to print it). This produces a multi-page PDf which can be
 easily imported into FM.
 
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Automating the import of multi-page PDFs

[Christopher Seal]

A project requires that FM is used to publish a collection of reports that 
were created in WordPerfect. The reports in the collection must look like 
the original reports - this is a condition.

I can either copy text from the WordPerfect file and paste into the FM 
document (then format), or I can import sequential pages from the PDF 
version of each report.

The report collection will be published as PDF.

As there are hundreds of PDF pages to be imported (if I go that route), I 
was wondering if there is an automated method of doing this. Any suggestions 
would be welcome.

I am using FM7.2/WP11


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FM8 Updates (was: Re: difficulties using italics for index entries in FM 8.0)

[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 14:43:49 -0700, Lucie Haskins 
luc...@att.net wrote:

Now, *why* FM didn't automatically update to 273 when 
I asked it to earlier this past weekend, I'll never 
know. It just updated me to 266...

It's because you were at 236, the one before 266.  Since 
updates are sequential, and not cumulative, it chose the 
one for the level you were at, 236; it couldn't choose
either of the later ones, because you weren't at the level
they required yet.  Likewise, when you were at 266, it
could offer the one to 273, but not the last one, to 277.

There are three FM8 patches shown at:
 http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=22platform=Windows

8.0.1  English, French, German; from 236 to 266
8.0.2  English, French, German; from 266 to 273
8.0.4  English, French, German, Japanese; from 273 to 277

The missing one, 8.0.3, had some nasty bugs and was replaced
by 8.0.4, which I'm still not willing to install myself... ;-)

One of 277's features is a change to the sort order of the
formats in the catalogs that makes mincemeat of keyboard
usage for applying formats (Ctrl-number-letters).  The same
improvement is in FM9, but thankfully there is a maker.ini
setting to make it work the old (correct) way.  With 277,
you're stuck with it; you can't undo the patch unless you
uninstall and reinstall from the original media.  Be warned.

HTH!

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
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Re: Automating the import of multi-page PDFs

[Art Campbell]

Unless there's a gotcha that you didn't mention, the easiest route would be
to SaveAs in Acrobat (or any of several third-party programs) to create an
RTF file. Then open the RTF files in Frame, wash out any hidden characters
by saving as MIF and reopening those files, and then apply the FM look-alike
template and go on...

Although you may be able to open the original Word Perfect files in Frame,
that import filter isn't as robust, in my opinion.

Art

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redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
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On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 4:29 PM, Christopher Seal cs...@sympatico.cawrote:

 A project requires that FM is used to publish a collection of reports that
 were created in WordPerfect. The reports in the collection must look like
 the original reports - this is a condition.

 I can either copy text from the WordPerfect file and paste into the FM
 document (then format), or I can import sequential pages from the PDF
 version of each report.

 The report collection will be published as PDF.

 As there are hundreds of PDF pages to be imported (if I go that route), I
 was wondering if there is an automated method of doing this. Any
 suggestions
 would be welcome.

 I am using FM7.2/WP11


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RE: Screen Capture

[David Spreadbury]

Fred,

Thank you for correcting that URL. My mind has been on several other things
and I didn't check before sending.

Mea culpa and sincerest apologies if some was mis-directed.

 

From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 3:24 PM
To: dspre...@yahoo.com; syed.hos...@aeris.net; blamb...@comcast.net;
framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Screen Capture

 

Responding to Brian Lamborn, David Spreadbury wrote (in part):
 
 All of the posted options will work, but if you want better control over
 your captures, SnagIt (www.textsmith.com) is probably in the Cadillac
class.
 For less than $50, it is a steal.
 
I second David's recommendation of SnagIt, but I would point out that the
correct URL is www.techsmith.com. They have a free 30-day demo which
is well worth the price. ;^)
 
-Fred Ridder
 
 

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RE: Automating the import of multi-page PDFs

[Pinkham, Jim]

Yes, but I think that's a workaround, Art, and not the exact solution
Christopher is asking for. I recall considering an approach a year or
two back where I would have imported some of our subsupplier brochures,
MSDSs, Product Data Sheets, catalogs, etc. in their full-color,
graphically rich PDFs into FM (to facilitate indexing, bookmarking,
pagination, etc.) had there been a feasible way to do so. I believe
someone on the list suggested there is a plug-in out there that will
either a) directly allow multi-page PDF import all at once or b)
automatically split a PDF into all of its component pages for easier
import. If memory still serves, the cost of the tool wasn't worth it for
our needs, but that's not to say it wouldn't be for someone else. Anyone
recall such a tool?

Jim

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 3:42 PM
To: Christopher Seal
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Automating the import of multi-page PDFs

Unless there's a gotcha that you didn't mention, the easiest route would
be to SaveAs in Acrobat (or any of several third-party programs) to
create an RTF file. Then open the RTF files in Frame, wash out any
hidden characters by saving as MIF and reopening those files, and then
apply the FM look-alike template and go on...

Although you may be able to open the original Word Perfect files in
Frame, that import filter isn't as robust, in my opinion.

Art

Art Campbell
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and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers
apply.
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On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 4:29 PM, Christopher Seal
cs...@sympatico.cawrote:

 A project requires that FM is used to publish a collection of reports 
 that were created in WordPerfect. The reports in the collection must 
 look like the original reports - this is a condition.

 I can either copy text from the WordPerfect file and paste into the FM

 document (then format), or I can import sequential pages from the PDF 
 version of each report.

 The report collection will be published as PDF.

 As there are hundreds of PDF pages to be imported (if I go that 
 route), I was wondering if there is an automated method of doing this.

 Any suggestions would be welcome.

 I am using FM7.2/WP11


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RE: FM8 Updates (was: Re: difficulties using italics for index entries in FM 8.0)

[Fred Ridder]

Jeremy Griffith wrote (in part):
 
 One of 277's features is a change to the sort order of the
 formats in the catalogs that makes mincemeat of keyboard
 usage for applying formats (Ctrl-number-letters). The same
 improvement is in FM9, but thankfully there is a maker.ini
 setting to make it work the old (correct) way. With 277,
 you're stuck with it; you can't undo the patch unless you
 uninstall and reinstall from the original media. Be warned.
 
On my system, each of the updates appears as a separate item
in the Control Panel's Add or Remove Programs listing, and I 
was able to successfully roll back (or at least it *seemed* to 
be completely successful...) from 277 to 273 by removing 
the Adobe FrameMaker 8 p277 Patcher item. 
 
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Re: Automating the import of multi-page PDFs

[Art Campbell]

Well,  I'd disagree, slightly. I think the import-via-RTF fits under the
umbrella of copying the original text and reformattting it, which was one of
Christopher's original options. It just isn't copying it directly from the
Word Perfect source.

Putting a wrapper around a sequence of PDFs would work, but I'd always want
to leave the door open to having to correct the originals or to roll them
forward into a newer version in the years to come.

So I'd opt for having editable text.

Art

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On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Pinkham, Jim jim.pink...@voith.com wrote:

 Yes, but I think that's a workaround, Art, and not the exact solution
 Christopher is asking for. I recall considering an approach a year or
 two back where I would have imported some of our subsupplier brochures,
 MSDSs, Product Data Sheets, catalogs, etc. in their full-color,
 graphically rich PDFs into FM (to facilitate indexing, bookmarking,
 pagination, etc.) had there been a feasible way to do so. I believe
 someone on the list suggested there is a plug-in out there that will
 either a) directly allow multi-page PDF import all at once or b)
 automatically split a PDF into all of its component pages for easier
 import. If memory still serves, the cost of the tool wasn't worth it for
 our needs, but that's not to say it wouldn't be for someone else. Anyone
 recall such a tool?

 Jim

 -Original Message-
 From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell
 Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 3:42 PM
 To: Christopher Seal
 Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Re: Automating the import of multi-page PDFs

 Unless there's a gotcha that you didn't mention, the easiest route would
 be to SaveAs in Acrobat (or any of several third-party programs) to
 create an RTF file. Then open the RTF files in Frame, wash out any
 hidden characters by saving as MIF and reopening those files, and then
 apply the FM look-alike template and go on...

 Although you may be able to open the original Word Perfect files in
 Frame, that import filter isn't as robust, in my opinion.

 Art

 Art Campbell
 art.campb...@gmail.com
  ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
 and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers
 apply.
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 On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 4:29 PM, Christopher Seal
 cs...@sympatico.cawrote:

  A project requires that FM is used to publish a collection of reports
  that were created in WordPerfect. The reports in the collection must
  look like the original reports - this is a condition.
 
  I can either copy text from the WordPerfect file and paste into the FM

  document (then format), or I can import sequential pages from the PDF
  version of each report.
 
  The report collection will be published as PDF.
 
  As there are hundreds of PDF pages to be imported (if I go that
  route), I was wondering if there is an automated method of doing this.

  Any suggestions would be welcome.
 
  I am using FM7.2/WP11
 
 
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RE: Importing Multi Page Tiffs, How ??

[Jacob Schäffer]

Although the TIFF format supports multiple pages there aren't many
applications out there supporting the multi-page flavor. Adobe Photoshop
doesn't, I believe (I haven't tested with CS3 or newer) -- even though the
TIFF spec is published by Adobe. The likely reason is that multiple-page
TIFF has a completely different purpose than TIFF for graphic arts
production.

Unfortunately I don't have a multiple-page TIFF handy, but I'm quite certain
that Adobe Photoshop can OPEN such a beast, but upon SAVE operations I
suspect it will effectively remove anything but page 1. I'm unaware that
Adobe should have changed this behavior since I tried some time back.

Hence, be careful with the choice of editor for such TIFF files. Back-up and
test carefully !!!

The only tool I know of that actually can write multiple-page TIFF is
Ghostscript's tiffgXXX devices, which typically uses G3 or G4 encoding. G3
and G4 is primarily targetted against transmitting/storing Fax messages, i.e
is not too relevant for Photoshop to deal with -- perhaps except for
compressing 1-bit lineart.

I'd say it's generally risky business to use this TIFF flavor in a graphic
environment.

Best regards / Med venlig hilsen
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RE: Automating the import of multi-page PDFs

[Combs, Richard]

Christopher Seal wrote: 
 
 I can either copy text from the WordPerfect file and paste into the FM
 document (then format), or I can import sequential pages from the PDF
 version of each report.
 
 The report collection will be published as PDF.
 
 As there are hundreds of PDF pages to be imported (if I go that
route), I
 was wondering if there is an automated method of doing this. Any
 suggestions
 would be welcome.

Well, I haven't done hundreds -- and might consider a FrameScript script
for a project that size, especially if it were likely to come up again.
But I've imported several 15-30 page PDFs, and it only took a few
minutes each. 

My PDFs were sized so they fit correctly in the text frame of my FM body
pages without any sizing/scaling. This simplifies things. 

Begin by creating a dedicated anchor pgf and putting the cursor in it.
Then enter the keyboard shortcut for File  Import  File (Esc f i f)
and select the multi-page PDF you want to import. 

The Select PDF Page dialog opens to the first page of the PDF, so just
press Enter to select it. FM imports it into an anchored frame in the
anchor pgf. Make sure the sizing and layout are correct. 

Now that you have the first PDF page in FM, select the anchor pgf
containing that it and copy it. Then paste it into the flow as many
times as there are pages in the PDF. 

All the copies, of course, display the first page of that PDF. Replace
their contents with the subsequent PDF pages by doing the following: 

1) Press Page Down. 

2) Click the next PDF page to select it, and press Esc f i f. The Import
dialog opens with the correct PDF already selected. 

3) Press Enter. The Select PDF Page dialog opens to the first page of
the PDF. 

4) Press Tab to put the cursor in the page number field.

5) Type the next page number and press Enter to import that page. 

6) Go back to (1) and repeat until done. 

It's no problem doing five or six repetitions of the above in a minute.
The biggest risk is losing track of the page number and getting off by
one, so you'd want to stop briefly every minute or two to double-check. 

Once you get into the rhythm of it -- and if you don't freak out from
the immensely mind-numbing nature of the process -- I suspect you can do
well over a hundred in an hour. :-)

Richard


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RE: Importing Multi Page Tiffs, How ??

[Alan Litchfield]

If you were on a Mac I would say to just use Preview ;)

However on Windows, Corel products handle and write to Multi-page tiff (which
is where I have had them produced from by various clients). Otherwise there
are (and in all cases YMMV, of course):
http://www.informatik.com/imagistik.html
http://www.tiffviewer.com/multipage-tif-viewer.htm
http://www.softpedia.com/progMoreBy/Publisher-Compact-Data-Management-Ltd-40007.html
http://www.brothersoft.com/downloads/multi_page-tiff-viewer.html
http://www.blackice.com/TIFFViewer.htm
...


Cheers
Alan

Jacob Schäffer wrote:
 Although the TIFF format supports multiple pages there aren't many
 applications out there supporting the multi-page flavor. Adobe Photoshop
 doesn't, I believe (I haven't tested with CS3 or newer) -- even though the
 TIFF spec is published by Adobe. The likely reason is that multiple-page
 TIFF has a completely different purpose than TIFF for graphic arts
 production.



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RE: Importing Multi Page Tiffs, How ??

[Owen, Clint]

Some of our older scanned documents are multi-page TIFFs. I keep a copy
of Paperport Deluxe (version 7.0, that came with a long gone scanner) on
my computer solely because it can split these files into individual
graphics.

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Litchfield
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 1:04 PM
To: Art Campbell
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com; Richard Melanson
Subject: Re: Importing Multi Page Tiffs, How ??

Multi-page tiffs are pretty common really.

I remember replying to this, so I am not certain why it has come up
again. But anyway I suggested opening the tiff in an application that
supports multi-page tiffs (probably *not* Photoshop) and print the file
to PDF (press-quality settings if you want to print it). This produces a
multi-page PDf which can be easily imported into FM.

Alan

Art Campbell wrote:
 Richard,
 I think you may have uncovered a rare bug. I hadn't ever seen a 
 multi-page TIF before... and I bet the coders hadn't either. I'd 
 expect Frame to treat it as a multi-page PDF and prompt you to select
which page to display.

 May be worth opening a bug on it.

 The only work-around I can suggest is to either cut the TIF into 
 single pages with something like Photoshop or create a PDF from it, so

 you can select which page to display.

 Art

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 On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Richard Melanson
 rmelan...@spirecorp.comwrote:

 I posted this yesterday and was just wondering if anyone received it,

 thank you.

 Hello Framers,

 I have spent the last couples of hours trying to find an answer to 
 this question. I am importing by reference TIFFs into a Framemaker 8
file.
 The TIFFs are a single file with multiple pages, but Frame is only 
 importing the first page. What am I missing here, I sure hope this is

 not embarrassingly easy answer. Thank you for any help you can give
me.

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RE: Automating the import of multi-page PDFs

[Pinkham, Jim]

If that is an option for Christopher, I'd certainly agree that this
approach is a good one, Art. 
 
As for the direct import issue, I went back and searched the archives
and found the discussion in October 2006, but couldn't find a definitive
answer to the direct import of multiple-page PDFs into Frame. You
suggested the alternative approach of the RTF for the text at that
point, too, along with a second trip through with a PNG export to take
care of the graphics. This makes sense, and long term, I agree it's
better to have content you can edit and reuse than to have it
constrained in PDFs. 
 
A quick search
(http://www.google.com/search?hl=enfkt=3213fsdt=46573q=import+(multip
age+OR+multi-page+OR+multiple+page)+PDFs+into+(FM+OR+Framemaker)btnG=Go
ogle+Searchaq=ooq=) suggests there are tools out there that will split
up a PDF into individual pages (see, for instance, the splitter and
merger tools on Planet PDF), but I didn't find a batch import tool in
the same quick glance. 
 
One other interesting-sounding tool on Planet PDF is PDF Fly,
http://www.pdfstore.com/details.asp?ProdID=742. It sounds promising for
getting graphics out of a PDF for putting into FM. Perhaps there's a
user or two on the list who can enlighten us about its efficacy?
 
Jim



From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campb...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 4:24 PM
To: Pinkham, Jim
Cc: Christopher Seal; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Automating the import of multi-page PDFs


Well,  I'd disagree, slightly. I think the import-via-RTF fits under the
umbrella of copying the original text and reformattting it, which was
one of Christopher's original options. It just isn't copying it directly
from the Word Perfect source.

Putting a wrapper around a sequence of PDFs would work, but I'd always
want to leave the door open to having to correct the originals or to
roll them forward into a newer version in the years to come. 

So I'd opt for having editable text.

Art

Art Campbell
art.campb...@gmail.com
 ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers
apply.
  DoD 358



On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Pinkham, Jim jim.pink...@voith.com
wrote:


Yes, but I think that's a workaround, Art, and not the exact
solution
Christopher is asking for. I recall considering an approach a
year or
two back where I would have imported some of our subsupplier
brochures,
MSDSs, Product Data Sheets, catalogs, etc. in their full-color,
graphically rich PDFs into FM (to facilitate indexing,
bookmarking,
pagination, etc.) had there been a feasible way to do so. I
believe
someone on the list suggested there is a plug-in out there that
will
either a) directly allow multi-page PDF import all at once or b)
automatically split a PDF into all of its component pages for
easier
import. If memory still serves, the cost of the tool wasn't
worth it for
our needs, but that's not to say it wouldn't be for someone
else. Anyone
recall such a tool?

Jim


-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art
Campbell
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 3:42 PM
To: Christopher Seal
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Automating the import of multi-page PDFs

Unless there's a gotcha that you didn't mention, the easiest
route would
be to SaveAs in Acrobat (or any of several third-party programs)
to
create an RTF file. Then open the RTF files in Frame, wash out
any
hidden characters by saving as MIF and reopening those files,
and then
apply the FM look-alike template and go on...

Although you may be able to open the original Word Perfect files
in
Frame, that import filter isn't as robust, in my opinion.

Art

Art Campbell
art.campb...@gmail.com
 ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
Vincent
and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
No
disclaimers
apply.
 DoD
358


On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 4:29 PM, Christopher Seal
cs...@sympatico.cawrote:

 A project requires that FM is used to publish a collection of
reports
 that were created in WordPerfect. The reports in the
collection must
 look like the original reports - this is a condition.

 I can either copy text from the WordPerfect file and paste
into the FM

 

RE: Importing Multi Page Tiffs, How ??

[Jacob Schäffer]

Thanks for the brush-up, Alan.

I stand corrected :-) 

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RE: Automating the import of multi-page PDFs

[Combs, Richard]

Pinkham, Jim wrote: 
 
 As for the direct import issue, I went back and searched the archives
 and found the discussion in October 2006, but couldn't find a
definitive
 answer to the direct import of multiple-page PDFs into Frame. You
 suggested the alternative approach of the RTF for the text at that
 point, too, along with a second trip through with a PNG export to take
 care of the graphics. This makes sense, and long term, I agree it's
 better to have content you can edit and reuse than to have it
 constrained in PDFs.

I believe Chris said the report pages must look _exactly_ like they do
in the PDF, so editing isn't really relevant for his problem, and
reformatting RTF to replicate what already exists seems like needless
extra work. 

Maybe I'm confused about what you mean by a definitive answer to the
direct import of multiple-page PDFs into Frame. I like to think my
earlier post provided a fairly definitive answer -- I've done it
numerous times, and it works great. :-)
 
 A quick search

(http://www.google.com/search?hl=enfkt=3213fsdt=46573q=import+(multip

age+OR+multi-page+OR+multiple+page)+PDFs+into+(FM+OR+Framemaker)btnG=Go
 ogle+Searchaq=ooq=) suggests there are tools out there that will
split
 up a PDF into individual pages (see, for instance, the splitter and
 merger tools on Planet PDF), but I didn't find a batch import tool in
 the same quick glance.

Splitting up a multi-page PDF serves no useful purpose in this context.
For the manual (but fast) process I described earlier, it would be
counterproductive, since it would require the extra step of browsing to
a different file for each import operation -- much more time-consuming
than simply typing a page number. 

And I can't imagine a script- or macro-based process where separate
files would be an advantage, either. 

It's my opinion and it's very true.

Richard


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RE: Automating the import of multi-page PDFs

[Chris Seal]

Wow. Quick response!
I've read the responses, and obviously I have to clarify a few things.

Note: This is a short contract in which I have already finished several
collections that were started by others, and in which the FM book had been
set up, and individual documents had been text filled and partially
formatted. I now have to start on the next and final collection from
scratch, and that is why I am investigating other methods. It seems to me
that the previous writers had copied text from the WP original and pasted it
into the FM document. The clue is that sometimes the last character or word
missing from a paragraph, as if the mouse slipped during the selection. By
the way, the collections end up being around 700 pages each, and there is an
English version and a separate French version of each collection.

1. The final document that contains the collection of reports has a few
original chapters of front and back matter such as covers, an introduction
to the collection, and an index.
2. The reports have already been published as individual documents.
3. The reports are the signed-off, accepted, and tabled product of a
government commission. That is why the collection has to reflect the
original accurately, which means, for example, any errors (e.g.
spelling)cannot be fixed. No editing or format changes are permitted.
4. The individual reports have the same organizational structure as each
other but, because there were many commissioners, writers, editors, and
lawyers involved in the creation of the original reports, there are
individual 'variations' (inconsistencies) in text elements such as lists.
For example I've had to handle lists that are completely Arabic numbered,
even sublists and subsublists of the same list.
5. My saving grace is that once published the collection will never be
edited or reused! Which helps immensely because...
6. ...nearly all elements carry overrides to make them look like the
original. I've had to perform other tricks like making table footnotes in FM
look like the table footnotes in WP. (Honestly, I couldn't find a way to
change the way FM does table footnotes.) And balancing pages to make
footnotes appear on the same page as the referring number has been a pain.

So, in case I can do it quicker than copying and pasting text, I wanted to
know if there is an automated way of importing PDF into FM (some reports can
have around 100 pages). I like the process that Richard Combs described, and
I will experiment with this - but it sounds mind numbing for sure. I will
also have to compose a hard TOC.

I have already tested if a PDF imported into a FM document, which is then
published as a PDF, is searchable (another requirement). It is.

Thanks to all of you who responded. I hope my post above more clearly shows
what I am doing. It has been an interesting gig, and is the first time (40
years in tech pubs!) I've not worked in an engineering environment. So it's
plain 'pubs' now, which is where I'm heading soon.



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Outline

[Donlad W. Spencer]

Framer Folks:

As I develop my personally written book in FrameMaker 7.2, especially since
I have learned to create hot key macros in the customization files, there is
only one thing about MS Word that I miss – Outline View.

The ability to reduce the book to an outline and manipulate that outline is
most convenient, and good old solid FrameMaker offers nothing like that,
except the ability to change chapter positions within a book.

Has anybody ever written a 3rd party program that offers something akin to
Outline View? Would be nice.

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Re: Screen Capture / Framer's List Issue - Slightly OT

[Brian Lamborn]

All,

Sorry about this post hitting hitting the list today. I actually sent it last 
Thursday, a little while before Lea Rush's post on the same subject hit the 
list. I was one of those that Richard Combs mentioned, whose posts weren't 
reaching the list. That seems to be fixed now.

Anyhow, I have the info I needed and I am currently trying the SnagIt demo and 
so far it is working well.


Thanks, 

Brian S. Lamborn 
blamb...@comcast.net 

- Original Message - 
From: Syed Hosain syed.hos...@aeris.net 
To: Brian Lamborn blamb...@comcast.net, Frame Users 
framers@lists.frameusers.com 
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 2:08:56 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central 
Subject: RE: Screen Capture 

Brian Lamborn wrote: 
 I am creating some manuals and I need to include some screen shots of 
our configuration software. Any recommendations on which screen capture 
software works best? 

I just use the built-in Windows capabilities (works well for me) ... 
some others here like Snag-It. 

Z 
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RE: Importing Multi Page Tiffs, How ??

[Richard Melanson]

Thank you all very much for responding to my question. 

One important fact I may have left out, I am importing the TIFF by
reference and I do NOT have any control over the Master I am importing.
I cannot convert it, dissect it, etc  :-)  My hands are tied, I have to
use the tiff as it exists on my network. 

Rick

-Original Message-
From: Alan Litchfield [mailto:a...@alphabyte.co.nz] 
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 4:04 PM
To: Art Campbell
Cc: Richard Melanson; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Importing Multi Page Tiffs, How ??

Multi-page tiffs are pretty common really.

I remember replying to this, so I am not certain why it has come up
again. But anyway I suggested opening the tiff in an application that
supports multi-page tiffs (probably *not* Photoshop) and print the file
to PDF (press-quality settings if you want to print it). This produces a
multi-page PDf which can be easily imported into FM.

Alan

Art Campbell wrote:
 Richard,
 I think you may have uncovered a rare bug. I hadn't ever seen a 
 multi-page TIF before... and I bet the coders hadn't either. I'd 
 expect Frame to treat it as a multi-page PDF and prompt you to select
which page to display.

 May be worth opening a bug on it.

 The only work-around I can suggest is to either cut the TIF into 
 single pages with something like Photoshop or create a PDF from it, so

 you can select which page to display.

 Art

 Art Campbell
  art.campb...@gmail.com
  ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent

 and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
  No disclaimers
apply.
   DoD 358


 On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Richard Melanson
 rmelan...@spirecorp.comwrote:

 I posted this yesterday and was just wondering if anyone received it,

 thank you.

 Hello Framers,

 I have spent the last couples of hours trying to find an answer to 
 this question. I am importing by reference TIFFs into a Framemaker 8
file.
 The TIFFs are a single file with multiple pages, but Frame is only 
 importing the first page. What am I missing here, I sure hope this is

 not embarrassingly easy answer. Thank you for any help you can give
me.

 Rick
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RE: Importing Multi Page Tiffs, How ??

[Richard Melanson]

An update or maybe a summation :-)
The TIFF files I have been referring to are controlled by our
Engineering Department. I reach out to a network drive and import by
reference the TIFFs Engineering makes available. I cannot do anything to
the TIFFs but import them! So unless I can find a way for Framemaker to
see all the pages in the TIFF files, I am dead in the water. 

Thank you all for the great suggestions, lets hope someone can pull the
rabbit out of the TIFF, aahhh, I mean hat!!  :-)
Rick

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Owen, Clint
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 5:53 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Importing Multi Page Tiffs, How ??

Some of our older scanned documents are multi-page TIFFs. I keep a copy
of Paperport Deluxe (version 7.0, that came with a long gone scanner) on
my computer solely because it can split these files into individual
graphics.

Clint


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-Original Message-
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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alan
Litchfield
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 1:04 PM
To: Art Campbell
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com; Richard Melanson
Subject: Re: Importing Multi Page Tiffs, How ??

Multi-page tiffs are pretty common really.

I remember replying to this, so I am not certain why it has come up
again. But anyway I suggested opening the tiff in an application that
supports multi-page tiffs (probably *not* Photoshop) and print the file
to PDF (press-quality settings if you want to print it). This produces a
multi-page PDf which can be easily imported into FM.

Alan

Art Campbell wrote:
 Richard,
 I think you may have uncovered a rare bug. I hadn't ever seen a 
 multi-page TIF before... and I bet the coders hadn't either. I'd 
 expect Frame to treat it as a multi-page PDF and prompt you to select
which page to display.

 May be worth opening a bug on it.

 The only work-around I can suggest is to either cut the TIF into 
 single pages with something like Photoshop or create a PDF from it, so

 you can select which page to display.

 Art

 Art Campbell
  art.campb...@gmail.com
  ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent

 and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
  No disclaimers
apply.
   DoD 358


 On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Richard Melanson
 rmelan...@spirecorp.comwrote:

 I posted this yesterday and was just wondering if anyone received it,

 thank you.

 Hello Framers,

 I have spent the last couples of hours trying to find an answer to 
 this question. I am importing by reference TIFFs into a Framemaker 8
file.
 The TIFFs are a single file with multiple pages, but Frame is only 
 importing the first page. What am I missing here, I sure hope this is

 not embarrassingly easy answer. Thank you for any help you can give
me.

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[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Howard,

I agree: this is a quality list. :-)

This list has never, and in my view, should not be limiting itself to
technical solutions regarding FM problems, although this will always
be the main issue. There is so much more about FM than that, mainly
because of how different FM is to most publishing software. One of the
main questions is about when FM is applicable and when not. A
subquestion could be about the "greens" as you call it. Discussion of
that can be helpful in order to decide how much weight one should put
on the single-sourcing capabilities of FM. So I would think it is a
valid question on this list.

I'd rather keep things the way they have been for the six years I have
been on the list than having to try to search through a plethora of
lists discussing this or that border product of what would be
"allowable" on the FM list. It saves me a lot of time.

There have, from time to time, come up issues on the list that are
totally not related to FM or the list as a list. These issues have
been dealt with by the other framers and sometimes the list manager.

Thanks to all Framers on the list throughout the years. :-)

And, don't misunderstand me: I think your point qualifies as a valid
point for the list to discuss:
"What does and should the list stand for?"

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson

2009/1/25 Howard Rauch :
> One of the qualities of this list that I have always considered important was 
> that it was devoted to the best ways for using FrameMaker whether for solving 
> problems or evaluating its use. I have subscribed to other lists and 
> discontinued them because so many of the participants were pushing their own 
> personal agendas (I call them "whiners") as opposed to the purpose of the 
> list.
>
> I have personally noted that a few have been pursuing the green agenda as of 
> late (myself included) whether pro-green or anti-green. The questionnaire 
> about printing user manuals itself promoted neither agenda, but (1) it has 
> promoted a good deal of controversial responses on both sides of the green 
> issue and (2) it was not really a FrameMaker issue.
>
> My point is this: When any of us submit anything to the FrameMaker list, 
> let's make sure it deals with the use of FrameMaker and not with personal 
> issues.
>
> Howard Rauch
>
> Technology Transfer, Inc.
> "Linking Creators and Users of Technology"
> 933 North 18th Street
> Manitowoc WI 54220
> Office: 920-682-1528
> Cell: 920-629-0080
> ___
>
>

FM 9 Upgrade - Please share your views

[Kelly McDaniel]

As a victim of OLE compatibility/stability, I also support the method
described here. You will find far fewer encumbrances to production
workflow by using the import-by-reference method...Kelly.

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 8:50 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Cc: tnahal99 at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: FM 9 Upgrade - Please share your views

OLE support does seem to be improved in FM 9, but given the history of
Microsoft support and the general high level of problems associated with
it,
I wouldn't ever consider using it in a production environment. (In
passing,
the reason SP3 "broke" OLE was because the fix plugged a hole that was
supposed to allow remote execution on the host machine.)

Generating a PDF or PNG from Visio is quick and importing it by
reference in
Frame is easy. If something changes in the graphic, you can export from
Visio to the same file name and it'll all just continue to work.

Art

Art Campbell
 art.campbell at gmail.com
 "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
and a
redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers
apply.
  DoD 358


On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 4:46 AM, Dov Isaacs  wrote:

> On the off-chance that you were not joking and on behalf of Adobe,
> let me assure you that Adobe has no "built-in timer in FM itself" for
> any purpose of forcing users to upgrade to "make money selling
upgrades."
>
> The only so called "timers" in any Adobe products are associated with
> controlling test releases and trial versions of our products.
>
> And NO, FrameMaker 9 does NOT officially support Visio. It supports
OLE
> and to the degree that a particular combination of Visio and Windows
works
> together to specification, Visio is "supported" in that manner.
Personally,
> given Microsoft's tepid support for OLE these days, I would more
likely
> recommend playing Russian Roulette than using OLE with FrameMaker or
any
> other application!
>
>- Dov
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:
> framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of
> > Tarlochan S. Nahal
> > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 6:41 PM
> > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com; Combs, Richard
> > Subject: RE: FM 9 Upgrade - Please share your views
> >
> > Dear Richard Combs,
> >
> > I appreciate your detailed response. Actually, I had posted a
message
> realated to Visio sometime
> > around late August 2008 on the framers list. There were some good
> responses, but there was no real
> > solution. The problem was triggered by XP SP3 upgrade that altered
> something in the OS which caused FM
> > to become hostile to Visio, or perhaps it was triggered by some sort
of
> built-in timer in FM itself.
> > (I guess Adobe makes money by selling upgrades!)
> >
> > Yes, we moved Visio files as OLE objects into FM. Naturally, it does
have
> the application
> > overhead, but the output is better and making any changes is easier.
Some
> of our  engineering drawings
> > are done in Visio and it makes it easier for us to stick to that
format.
> >
> > Adobe Tech Support told me few days ago that FM9 does support Visio.
I
> will download the trial version
> > and try it and see how it works.
> >
> > Again, thanks for sharing you experience.
> >
> > Best regards
> >
> > Tarlochan S. Nahal
> > Sr. Technical Writer
> >
> > Atheros Communications, Inc.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Fri, 1/23/09, Combs, Richard 
wrote:
> >
> > From: Combs, Richard 
> > Subject: RE: FM 9 Upgrade - Please share your views
> > To: tnahal99 at yahoo.com, framers at lists.frameusers.com
> > Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 1:50 PM
> >
> > Tarlochan S. Nahal wrote:
> >
> > > We are a small Tech Pubs group using FM 7.2 on Windows XP
platform.
> > > Recently, it started to behave strangly and refused to import any
Visio
> > > drawings. There seems to be no known cure for it with the current
> setup.
> > > Maybe it was automatic Windows SP upgrade that did the mischief.
It
> > > suddenly stopped accepting Visio drawings in their native format
> (.vsd).
> > > The situation is so bad that even if we can import a Visio
drawing, we
> are
> > > not able to save the document until we purge that drawing!
> >
> > FM has _never_ been able to import native Visio files. You weren't
> > previously importing _files_, you were importing OLE2 _objects_
(complete
> with
> > all the Visio application overhead and potential instability). If
you
> moved an
> > FM file containing those OLE2 links onto a PC that didn't have Visio
> > installed, the links would be broken, even if the Visio files were
there.
> The
> > links open Visio.
> >
> > IMHO, OLE linking and embedding was never a very good idea except
for
> casual,
> > occasional use.
> >

Off List

[Kelly McDaniel]

I fear mine may have been the initial post that started the green
discussion. For that, please accept my apology.

The question I asked, though not directly related to FrameMaker, was
more in the venue of how PDFs were used without any green subtext. The
point of the issue is that I am attempting to move a PDF-only corporate
habit into an online delivery paradigm. To that end, I received many
off-list responses from folks I consider to be tops in the field. For
that, I am grateful...regards, Kelly.

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Bodvar
Bjorgvinsson
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 3:20 AM
To: Howard Rauch
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Off List

Howard,

I agree: this is a quality list. :-)

This list has never, and in my view, should not be limiting itself to
technical solutions regarding FM problems, although this will always
be the main issue. There is so much more about FM than that, mainly
because of how different FM is to most publishing software. One of the
main questions is about when FM is applicable and when not. A
subquestion could be about the "greens" as you call it. Discussion of
that can be helpful in order to decide how much weight one should put
on the single-sourcing capabilities of FM. So I would think it is a
valid question on this list.

I'd rather keep things the way they have been for the six years I have
been on the list than having to try to search through a plethora of
lists discussing this or that border product of what would be
"allowable" on the FM list. It saves me a lot of time.

There have, from time to time, come up issues on the list that are
totally not related to FM or the list as a list. These issues have
been dealt with by the other framers and sometimes the list manager.

Thanks to all Framers on the list throughout the years. :-)

And, don't misunderstand me: I think your point qualifies as a valid
point for the list to discuss:
"What does and should the list stand for?"

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson

2009/1/25 Howard Rauch :
> One of the qualities of this list that I have always considered
important was that it was devoted to the best ways for using FrameMaker
whether for solving problems or evaluating its use. I have subscribed to
other lists and discontinued them because so many of the participants
were pushing their own personal agendas (I call them "whiners") as
opposed to the purpose of the list.
>
> I have personally noted that a few have been pursuing the green agenda
as of late (myself included) whether pro-green or anti-green. The
questionnaire about printing user manuals itself promoted neither
agenda, but (1) it has promoted a good deal of controversial responses
on both sides of the green issue and (2) it was not really a FrameMaker
issue.
>
> My point is this: When any of us submit anything to the FrameMaker
list, let's make sure it deals with the use of FrameMaker and not with
personal issues.
>
> Howard Rauch
>
> Technology Transfer, Inc.
> "Linking Creators and Users of Technology"
> 933 North 18th Street
> Manitowoc WI 54220
> Office: 920-682-1528
> Cell: 920-629-0080
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[John Sgammato]

As I recall, this was a voyage of several steps. 

I replied to your innocent question with some anecdotal evidence that
PDFs are seen are "green" in Germany, and printed manuals as actively
"anti-green". 

Later, a third responder observed that trees are plentiful in the US,
which led to the way off-topic discussion that got us here. 

IMO, it is somewhat inevitable that a political opinion will be
expressed here from time to time, and the solution is to respond to it
directly rather than to the list.

john


-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Kelly
McDaniel
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 10:19 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Off List

I fear mine may have been the initial post that started the green
discussion. For that, please accept my apology.

The question I asked, though not directly related to FrameMaker, was
more in the venue of how PDFs were used without any green subtext. The
point of the issue is that I am attempting to move a PDF-only corporate
habit into an online delivery paradigm. To that end, I received many
off-list responses from folks I consider to be tops in the field. For
that, I am grateful...regards, Kelly.

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Bodvar
Bjorgvinsson
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 3:20 AM
To: Howard Rauch
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Off List

Howard,

I agree: this is a quality list. :-)

This list has never, and in my view, should not be limiting itself to
technical solutions regarding FM problems, although this will always be
the main issue. There is so much more about FM than that, mainly because
of how different FM is to most publishing software. One of the main
questions is about when FM is applicable and when not. A subquestion
could be about the "greens" as you call it. Discussion of that can be
helpful in order to decide how much weight one should put on the
single-sourcing capabilities of FM. So I would think it is a valid
question on this list.

I'd rather keep things the way they have been for the six years I have
been on the list than having to try to search through a plethora of
lists discussing this or that border product of what would be
"allowable" on the FM list. It saves me a lot of time.

There have, from time to time, come up issues on the list that are
totally not related to FM or the list as a list. These issues have been
dealt with by the other framers and sometimes the list manager.

Thanks to all Framers on the list throughout the years. :-)

And, don't misunderstand me: I think your point qualifies as a valid
point for the list to discuss:
"What does and should the list stand for?"

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson

2009/1/25 Howard Rauch :
> One of the qualities of this list that I have always considered
important was that it was devoted to the best ways for using FrameMaker
whether for solving problems or evaluating its use. I have subscribed to
other lists and discontinued them because so many of the participants
were pushing their own personal agendas (I call them "whiners") as
opposed to the purpose of the list.
>
> I have personally noted that a few have been pursuing the green agenda
as of late (myself included) whether pro-green or anti-green. The
questionnaire about printing user manuals itself promoted neither
agenda, but (1) it has promoted a good deal of controversial responses
on both sides of the green issue and (2) it was not really a FrameMaker
issue.
>
> My point is this: When any of us submit anything to the FrameMaker
list, let's make sure it deals with the use of FrameMaker and not with
personal issues.
>
> Howard Rauch
>
> Technology Transfer, Inc.
> "Linking Creators and Users of Technology"
> 933 North 18th Street
> Manitowoc WI 54220
> Office: 920-682-1528
> Cell: 920-629-0080
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>
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[Art Campbell]

I welcome most of the side-threads, although people could push labeling them
with an OT in the subject line a bit more.

So I'd also vote for no changes required, at the moment.

I'm among the group of people who have figured out how the Delete key works,
as well as making use of Gmail's "Mute" command -- a wonderful thing.

Art

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redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
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On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 10:18 AM, Kelly McDaniel wrote:

> I fear mine may have been the initial post that started the green
> discussion. For that, please accept my apology.
>
> The question I asked, though not directly related to FrameMaker, was
> more in the venue of how PDFs were used without any green subtext. The
> point of the issue is that I am attempting to move a PDF-only corporate
> habit into an online delivery paradigm. To that end, I received many
> off-list responses from folks I consider to be tops in the field. For
> that, I am grateful...regards, Kelly.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Bodvar
> Bjorgvinsson
> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 3:20 AM
> To: Howard Rauch
> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Off List
>
> Howard,
>
> I agree: this is a quality list. :-)
>
> This list has never, and in my view, should not be limiting itself to
> technical solutions regarding FM problems, although this will always
> be the main issue. There is so much more about FM than that, mainly
> because of how different FM is to most publishing software. One of the
> main questions is about when FM is applicable and when not. A
> subquestion could be about the "greens" as you call it. Discussion of
> that can be helpful in order to decide how much weight one should put
> on the single-sourcing capabilities of FM. So I would think it is a
> valid question on this list.
>
> I'd rather keep things the way they have been for the six years I have
> been on the list than having to try to search through a plethora of
> lists discussing this or that border product of what would be
> "allowable" on the FM list. It saves me a lot of time.
>
> There have, from time to time, come up issues on the list that are
> totally not related to FM or the list as a list. These issues have
> been dealt with by the other framers and sometimes the list manager.
>
> Thanks to all Framers on the list throughout the years. :-)
>
> And, don't misunderstand me: I think your point qualifies as a valid
> point for the list to discuss:
> "What does and should the list stand for?"
>
> Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
>
> 2009/1/25 Howard Rauch :
> > One of the qualities of this list that I have always considered
> important was that it was devoted to the best ways for using FrameMaker
> whether for solving problems or evaluating its use. I have subscribed to
> other lists and discontinued them because so many of the participants
> were pushing their own personal agendas (I call them "whiners") as
> opposed to the purpose of the list.
> >
> > I have personally noted that a few have been pursuing the green agenda
> as of late (myself included) whether pro-green or anti-green. The
> questionnaire about printing user manuals itself promoted neither
> agenda, but (1) it has promoted a good deal of controversial responses
> on both sides of the green issue and (2) it was not really a FrameMaker
> issue.
> >
> > My point is this: When any of us submit anything to the FrameMaker
> list, let's make sure it deals with the use of FrameMaker and not with
> personal issues.
> >
> > Howard Rauch
> >
> > Technology Transfer, Inc.
> > "Linking Creators and Users of Technology"
> > 933 North 18th Street
> > Manitowoc WI 54220
> > Office: 920-682-1528
> > Cell: 920-629-0080
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> >
> >
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[Bill Swallow]

> I welcome most of the side-threads, although people could push labeling them
> with an OT in the subject line a bit more.

You mean like this one? ;)

> So I'd also vote for no changes required, at the moment.

I don't think a vote is necessary.

> I'm among the group of people who have figured out how the Delete key works,
> as well as making use of Gmail's "Mute" command -- a wonderful thing.

Gmail has mute? Woah. But yes, Delete works well.

Framers does not have a history of much off-topic noise. Calling
attention to the noise that does come through just creates more noise.

-- 
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Avid homebrewer and proud beer snob.

FM 9 Upgrade - Please share your views

[Tarlochan S. Nahal]

Dear Kelly McDaniel,
?
Thanks for sharing your experience. 
?
I am a believer in import-by-reference?myself which has worked?pretty reliably 
for me for?many many years.?I inherited?some docs?with?many?OLE diagrams and 
this method worked well for a while until?this problem started to occur about 
five months ago. The situation is so?ugly that simply double-clicking an 
existing OLE Visio drawing (and thus launching Visio) causes Frame to reject 
the drawing. You need to purge that drawing before you can save the FM doc.?Now 
we know the limitations and will certainly give it a thought if we want to 
continue with this methodology.
?
Best regards
?
?
Tarlochan S. Nahal
?
Sr. Technical Writer

--- On Mon, 1/26/09, Kelly McDaniel  wrote:

From: Kelly McDaniel 
Subject: RE: FM 9 Upgrade - Please share your views
To: "Art Campbell" , framers at lists.frameusers.com
Cc: tnahal99 at yahoo.com
Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 7:10 AM

As a victim of OLE compatibility/stability, I also support the method
described here. You will find far fewer encumbrances to production
workflow by using the import-by-reference method...Kelly.

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 8:50 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Cc: tnahal99 at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: FM 9 Upgrade - Please share your views

OLE support does seem to be improved in FM 9, but given the history of
Microsoft support and the general high level of problems associated with
it,
I wouldn't ever consider using it in a production environment. (In
passing,
the reason SP3 "broke" OLE was because the fix plugged a hole that
was
supposed to allow remote execution on the host machine.)

Generating a PDF or PNG from Visio is quick and importing it by
reference in
Frame is easy. If something changes in the graphic, you can export from
Visio to the same file name and it'll all just continue to work.

Art

Art Campbell
 art.campbell at gmail.com
 "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
Vincent
and a
redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers
apply.
  DoD 358


On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 4:46 AM, Dov Isaacs  wrote:

> On the off-chance that you were not joking and on behalf of Adobe,
> let me assure you that Adobe has no "built-in timer in FM
itself" for
> any purpose of forcing users to upgrade to "make money selling
upgrades."
>
> The only so called "timers" in any Adobe products are associated
with
> controlling test releases and trial versions of our products.
>
> And NO, FrameMaker 9 does NOT officially support Visio. It supports
OLE
> and to the degree that a particular combination of Visio and Windows
works
> together to specification, Visio is "supported" in that manner.
Personally,
> given Microsoft's tepid support for OLE these days, I would more
likely
> recommend playing Russian Roulette than using OLE with FrameMaker or
any
> other application!
>
>- Dov
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:
> framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of
> > Tarlochan S. Nahal
> > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 6:41 PM
> > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com; Combs, Richard
> > Subject: RE: FM 9 Upgrade - Please share your views
> >
> > Dear Richard Combs,
> >
> > I appreciate your detailed response. Actually, I had posted a
message
> realated to Visio sometime
> > around late August 2008 on the framers list. There were some good
> responses, but there was no real
> > solution. The problem was triggered by XP SP3 upgrade that altered
> something in the OS which caused FM
> > to become hostile to Visio, or perhaps it was triggered by some sort
of
> built-in timer in FM itself.
> > (I guess Adobe makes money by selling upgrades!)
> >
> > Yes, we moved Visio files as OLE objects into FM. Naturally, it does
have
> the application
> > overhead, but the output is better and making any changes is easier.
Some
> of our  engineering drawings
> > are done in Visio and it makes it easier for us to stick to that
format.
> >
> > Adobe Tech Support told me few days ago that FM9 does support Visio.
I
> will download the trial version
> > and try it and see how it works.
> >
> > Again, thanks for sharing you experience.
> >
> > Best regards
> >
> > Tarlochan S. Nahal
> > Sr. Technical Writer
> >
> > Atheros Communications, Inc.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Fri, 1/23/09, Combs, Richard 
wrote:
> >
> > From: Combs, Richard 
> > Subject: RE: FM 9 Upgrade - Please share your views
> > To: tnahal99 at yahoo.com, framers at lists.frameusers.com
> > Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 1:50 PM
> >
> > Tarlochan S. Nahal wrote:
> >
> > > We are a small Tech Pubs group using FM 7.2 on Windows XP
platform.
> > > Recently, it started to 

Is FM9 More Stable than FM8?

[acti...@aol.com]

Hi All,

We, at my company, are using FM8, and our files reside on a server. We've  
had numerous problems with crashing and file corruption that we did not have  
when we were using FM7. Is there any opinion on whether this new version, FM9,  
is more stable?

Thanks,
Nancy Adams
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credit score. 
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List of Figures/Tables Question

[Brian Lamborn]

All, 

I am using FM8.0p273 on a XP SP3 machine. 

When I insert a table or figure into my document, I have the formatting set up 
to number the figures and tables. The formatting is set up as follows: 

F: Figure : 

T:Table : 


The numbering works flawlessly. However, when I generate a list of figures or a 
list of tables, I would like FrameMaker to pull the numbering with the title, 
not just the title as it does now. 

In the past when I was FORCED (by client requirements) to develop manuals using 
Word, I could do this. Surely Frame has a way of making this happen. Any 
suggestions would be greatly appreciated. 

Thanks, 

Brian Lamborn 
blamborn at comcast.net 

Is there a Frame with RoboHelp digest out there?

[Callie Bertsche]

I apologize for straying slightly off topic, especially since as a loyal
framer I appreciate the lack of extraneous postings that bloat other
digests. However, I am v. eager to find a RoboHelp digest. Does anyone
know of one out there? Have googled to no avail. As a Framer / WebWorks
user I am interested in hearing how the new release of RoboHelp is
shaping up. We recently downloaded the trial of FrameMaker 9, and it is
v. beautiful. Warning to other Framers: playing with the trial of
FrameMaker 9 for only a short time will make going back to earlier
versions of FrameMaker painful. :) I love the docked windows and
customizable, updated interface of FM 9!
Callie Bertsche
Technical Writer
Tecplot, Inc.

Screen Capture

[Art Campbell]

There are a herd of them, and I played with a lot of them, but SnagIt worked
most smoothly for me; has a slew of options; and has a toolbar that
integrates cleanly with Frame, so you can do the screen shot and import in
one action from with in FM.

Art

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redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
  DoD 358


On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Brian Lamborn wrote:

> All,
>
> Not really a FrameMaker question, but...
>
> I am creating some manuals and I need to include some screen shots of our
> configuration software. Any recommendations on which screen capture software
> works best?
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Brian Lamborn
> blamborn at comcast.net
>
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Find and Replace Paragraph Format Feature

[Art Campbell]

Set up one of the paragraphs with the corrected para format.

Then:
Copy Special > Para Format.
S for a para tag with the old tag name, and replace by Pasting.

Make sure the Book option is checked in the S dialog to define your range.

***
You may also want to check out Rick Quattro's Find/Change Special plugin.
[http://www.frameexpert.com/plugins/findchangespecial/index.htm]


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On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 11:21 AM, Eichelberger, Mark <
mark.eichelberger at aftech.fiserv.com> wrote:

> Folks,
>
> We are one FrameMaker 7 and ePublisher 2008.3
>
> We noticed that when we generated the html output of our FM source files
> using ePublisher, the fonts for some of our paragraph formats were
> altered.  We looked at the Cascading Style Sheet and noticed that
> paragraph formats that contained a period in the format name came across
> in the css with the value '002e' substituted for the period.  When we
> looked into ePublisher's help we discovered the warning from ePublisher
> that paragraph format names should not contains periods as they cause
> issues when the css is created.
>
> So we now realize we have to create new paragraph formats in Frame that
> do not have any periods in the names.
>
> Does anyone know if there is a find and replace feature in Frame that
> would allow us to replace text tagged with the offending paragraph
> format to use another paragraph format that has a supported format name.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Mark
>
>
> Mark Eichelberger
> Senior Technical Writer
> mark.eichelberger at aftech.fiserv.com
>
>
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Screen Capture

[Lea Rush]

I got many recommendations for SnagIt on my recent question. My question in
reply is whether anyone has tried Cropper? I've used it for a while, and for
anything but open menus, it works nicely for me. 

> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-
> bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lamborn
> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 8:07 AM
> To: Frame Users
> Subject: Screen Capture
> 
> All,
> 
> Not really a FrameMaker question, but...
> 
> I am creating some manuals and I need to include some screen shots of our
> configuration software. Any recommendations on which screen capture
software
> works best?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> Brian Lamborn
> blamborn at comcast.net
> 
_

Lea Rush
Software and Documentation Specialist
Astoria-Pacific International
PO Box 830 Clackamas OR 97015
PH: 800-657-3010
FAX:  503-655-7367

Is there a Frame with RoboHelp digest out there?

[Art Campbell]

You may want to check out the Tech Comm Suite User's group at
http://groups.google.com/group/TCS-Users?hl=en

New, small group that seems to have a high level of experience.

(Disclaimer: I started it.)

Art

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  DoD 358


On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Callie Bertsche wrote:

> I apologize for straying slightly off topic, especially since as a loyal
> framer I appreciate the lack of extraneous postings that bloat other
> digests. However, I am v. eager to find a RoboHelp digest. Does anyone
> know of one out there? Have googled to no avail. As a Framer / WebWorks
> user I am interested in hearing how the new release of RoboHelp is
> shaping up. We recently downloaded the trial of FrameMaker 9, and it is
> v. beautiful. Warning to other Framers: playing with the trial of
> FrameMaker 9 for only a short time will make going back to earlier
> versions of FrameMaker painful. :) I love the docked windows and
> customizable, updated interface of FM 9!
> Callie Bertsche
> Technical Writer
> Tecplot, Inc.
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List of Figures/Tables Question

[Art Campbell]

On the Reference pages of the list, look for the collection of tags that
control the source.
It'll probably look like several sets of:
<$paratext> <$pagenum>

Add the variable to generate the number, in front of the paragraph, to
create something like:
<$paranum> <$paratext> <$pagenum>

Save the file and update the book.

Art Campbell
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redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
  DoD 358


On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Brian Lamborn wrote:

> All,
>
> I am using FM8.0p273 on a XP SP3 machine.
>
> When I insert a table or figure into my document, I have the formatting set
> up to number the figures and tables. The formatting is set up as follows:
>
> F: Figure :
>
> T:Table :
>
>
> The numbering works flawlessly. However, when I generate a list of figures
> or a list of tables, I would like FrameMaker to pull the numbering with the
> title, not just the title as it does now.
>
> In the past when I was FORCED (by client requirements) to develop manuals
> using Word, I could do this. Surely Frame has a way of making this happen.
> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brian Lamborn
> blamborn at comcast.net
>
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Screen Capture

[Shmuel Wolfson]

I like HyperSnap. It's an excellent screen capture program and has very 
good editing options.
If you want to go the free route, MWSnap is the best free one I've seen 
so far.

-- 
Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson
Technical Writer
052-763-7133


Brian Lamborn wrote:
> All, 
>
> Not really a FrameMaker question, but... 
>
> I am creating some manuals and I need to include some screen shots of our 
> configuration software. Any recommendations on which screen capture software 
> works best? 
>
> Thanks, 
>
>
> Brian Lamborn 
> blamborn at comcast.net 
>
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Questions about TCS2 and RoboHelp Server

[Art Campbell]

As for Question 1, AIR supports about 15-18 languages, RoboHelp and RH
Server fewer, and all list Japanese.

The complete lists are on each products' System Requirements pages.

Art


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On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 12:34 PM, Joseph  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> My company is considering buying the Technical Communications Suite 2 and
> Robohelp Server.  However, we have two questions about it, that I haven't
> been able to find answers, too. I hope someone can help.
>
> 1. Over the long term, we want to transition our documentation into adobe
> air applications. However, the last I checked the adobe air add on for
> Robohelp only supported English. We need support for multiple languages,
> specifically Japanese. Does anyone know if RoboHelp 8 with AIR  supports
> multiple languages and if so which ones?   .
>
> 2.  How does TCS 2 work with the RoboHelp Server? Do they integrate well?
> Is there support for multiple languages, including Japanese? What features
> would the RoboHelp Server give us with Air and without? What would be the
> benefits of having TCS 2 and Robohelp Server together?
>
> --
> Sincerely,
>
> Joseph Lorenzini
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Screen Capture

[Kelly McDaniel]

Same for me. Fast, cheap, and stable...Kelly.

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 12:33 PM
To: Brian Lamborn
Cc: Frame Users
Subject: Re: Screen Capture

There are a herd of them, and I played with a lot of them, but SnagIt
worked
most smoothly for me; has a slew of options; and has a toolbar that
integrates cleanly with Frame, so you can do the screen shot and import
in
one action from with in FM.

Art

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 "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
and a
redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers
apply.
  DoD 358


On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Brian Lamborn
wrote:

> All,
>
> Not really a FrameMaker question, but...
>
> I am creating some manuals and I need to include some screen shots of
our
> configuration software. Any recommendations on which screen capture
software
> works best?
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Brian Lamborn
> blamborn at comcast.net
>
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FM9 show stoppers

[Kelly McDaniel]

"A third great annoyance:
The new buttons are gray in normal state and coloured if hovered over."

I thought that maybe I was too picky, but this bothers me, too.

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Klaus Daube
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 5:21 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FM9 show stoppers

Trying to use FM9 reveals beside the goodies (modern interface, 
enhanced book handling, list of referenced files, variables, cross 
references, ...) also some misbehaviour becomes obvious:

The first one has already been mentioned here:
Various lists (? format by F9, variable names by CTRL+0, ...) do no 
more behave as usual: 

Having the formats ln-list-narrow and lc-list-check and want to get ln, 
i must type l, then arrow-down. Typing ln applies the format n1-
numbered-1st. 
Up to FM-8 we entered l, n, enter. The enter must now be avoided like 
hell, if the item is the only one in the list starting with that 
character. 

This was not a special feature of FM-8 and beyond, but is common 
behaviour in Windows. In an Open dialog, entering abc opens the list of 
files: first all beginning with a, then beginning with ab, then with 
abc - which is _very_ vonvenient (well, this might be to an option in 
the UI, but on my XP it works this way).

The second one is a tough experience:
Backspace has become a nightmare on my 3MHz machine with 4GB of RAM. I 
can not correct input in the usual manner, because i have typed to many 
times until the program reacts! Do I need to switch off UNDO (which is 
not possible)? I have already switched off "show warnings while 
cleaning history", "Checkout HTTP...", "Upload HTTP..." in preferences.

Also the arrow keys - used for example, to extend a selection - a-r-e-v-
e-r-y-s-l-o-w! This is NOT an issue of my machine - no other program 
has this behaviour.

A third great annoyance:
The new buttons are gray in normal state and coloured if hovered over. 
Since we are now working with larger screens (i have a 24" + a 22" side 
by side) easy recognition of items on this real estate is key for 
speedy work.

A reason for my displeasure:
FrameMaker users are keyboard-people, while CS (creative) users in the 
graphic area are mouse oriented. For graphic work this is also the case 
with me. But authoring text is typing and applying formats by short 
cuts. 

With the large screens FM9 now supports it is slowing down my work 
significantly to take the mouse for such operations, even with a tablet 
which gives more instant access to remote locations on a screen.

Althoug I like most of the new things - the feeling under my fingertips 
is bad.

Klaus daube
http://mymemo.ch und nie mehr einen Gedanken oder Termin verpassen.
~~
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FM 9 Upgrade - Please share your views

[Jacob Schäffer]

This is definitely NOT a Visio issue with Framemaker, but a general MS OLE
implementation issue.

OLE has always been dangerous in many aspects even though it may seem to
work OK at first sight on the local machine.

Apart from effectively preventing document portability, OLE object linking
are likely to force you into a life with many artifacts such as e.g. ackward
font styles, text spacing and colours. You may also find curves sliced up
into small line segments and perhaps also stroked curves and lines appear as
filled outlines -- depending on your display card driver.

In my view OLE linking and embedding is a complete disaster for production
workflows where reliability is a must-have. And Framemaker is not the one to
blame :-)

Best regards / Med venlig hilsen
Jacob Sch?ffer  |  Chief Developer


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DK-3200 Helsinge, Denmark
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Email: js at grafikhuset.dk
Web: www.grafikhuset.net

Screen Capture

[syed.hos...@aeris.net]

Brian Lamborn wrote:
> I am creating some manuals and I need to include some screen shots of
our configuration software. Any recommendations on which screen capture
software works best? 

I just use the built-in Windows capabilities (works well for me) ...
some others here like Snag-It.

Z

Screen Capture

[David Spreadbury]

All of the posted options will work, but if you want better control over
your captures, SnagIt (www.textsmith.com) is probably in the Cadillac class.
For less than $50, it is a steal.

Another inexpensive, and good, option is Gadwin Print Screen Pro
(www.gadwin.com). You can buy the latest version for less than $25. They
also advertise a freeware version as well. You might try
www.freewarehome.com for the freeware version.

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Syed.Hosain at aeris.net
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 2:09 PM
To: Brian Lamborn; Frame Users
Subject: RE: Screen Capture

Brian Lamborn wrote:
> I am creating some manuals and I need to include some screen shots of
our configuration software. Any recommendations on which screen capture
software works best? 

I just use the built-in Windows capabilities (works well for me) ...
some others here like Snag-It.

Z
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Screen Capture

[Mike Wickham]

> Any recommendations on which screen capture software works best? 

SnagIt. Very powerful.

Mike Wickham

Extra space after text insets

[Stuart Rogers]

Shrobona Choudhuri wrote:
> Hi!
> 
>  
> 
> While I am importing the text insets from a source file, an extra blank
> line is automatically added after the content of the text inset. It
> seems a minor problem, but I really don't want that extra space! I have
> to go to the container document each time to remove this extra space.
> How do I get rid of this problem?
> 

I'm not sure why your message from the 21st has only appeared in my 
inbox today (26th), but I don't see any replies, so here's one for you: 
  before you import the text inset, put a space (or better, a 
ctrl-space, so you'll see the text symbol) in the container pgf.  Then 
move your cursor in front of the ctrl-space and import the inset.



-- 
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Importing Multi Page Tiffs, How ??

[Art Campbell]

Richard,
I think you may have uncovered a rare bug. I hadn't ever seen a multi-page
TIF before... and I bet the coders hadn't either. I'd expect Frame to treat
it as a multi-page PDF and prompt you to select which page to display.

May be worth opening a bug on it.

The only work-around I can suggest is to either cut the TIF into single
pages with something like Photoshop or create a PDF from it, so you can
select which page to display.

Art

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On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Richard Melanson
wrote:

> I posted this yesterday and was just wondering if anyone received it,
> thank you.
>
> Hello Framers,
>
> I have spent the last couples of hours trying to find an answer to this
> question. I am importing by reference TIFFs into a Framemaker 8 file.
> The TIFFs are a single file with multiple pages, but Frame is only
> importing the first page. What am I missing here, I sure hope this is
> not embarrassingly easy answer. Thank you for any help you can give me.
>
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Screen Capture

[Fred Ridder]

Responding to Brian Lamborn, David Spreadbury wrote (in part):

> All of the posted options will work, but if you want better control over
> your captures, SnagIt (www.textsmith.com) is probably in the Cadillac class.
> For less than $50, it is a steal.

I second David's recommendation of SnagIt, but I would point out that the
correct URL is www.techsmith.com. They have a free 30-day demo which
is well worth the price. ;^)

-Fred Ridder

Importing Multi Page Tiffs, How ??

[Dov Isaacs]

I would hardly say that multipage TIFF files are pretty common unless 
your pretty common world of TIFF is primarily FAX servers.

- Dov

> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at 
> lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of
> Alan Litchfield
> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 1:04 PM
> To: Art Campbell
> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com; Richard Melanson
> Subject: Re: Importing Multi Page Tiffs, How ??
> 
> Multi-page tiffs are pretty common really.
> 
> I remember replying to this, so I am not certain why it has come up again. But
> anyway I suggested opening the tiff in an application that supports multi-page
> tiffs (probably *not* Photoshop) and print the file to PDF (press-quality
> settings if you want to print it). This produces a multi-page PDf which can be
> easily imported into FM.
> 
> Alan

FM8 Updates (was: Re: difficulties using italics for index entries in FM 8.0)

[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 14:43:49 -0700, "Lucie Haskins" 
 wrote:

>Now, *why* FM didn't automatically update to 273 when 
>I asked it to earlier this past weekend, I'll never 
>know. It just updated me to 266...

It's because you were at 236, the one before 266.  Since 
updates are sequential, and not cumulative, it chose the 
one for the level you were at, 236; it couldn't choose
either of the later ones, because you weren't at the level
they required yet.  Likewise, when you were at 266, it
could offer the one to 273, but not the last one, to 277.

There are three FM8 patches shown at:
 http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=22=Windows

8.0.1  English, French, German; from 236 to 266
8.0.2  English, French, German; from 266 to 273
8.0.4  English, French, German, Japanese; from 273 to 277

The missing one, 8.0.3, had some nasty bugs and was replaced
by 8.0.4, which I'm still not willing to install myself... ;-)

One of 277's "features" is a change to the sort order of the
formats in the catalogs that makes mincemeat of keyboard
usage for applying formats (Ctrl-number-letters).  The same
"improvement" is in FM9, but thankfully there is a maker.ini
setting to make it work the old (correct) way.  With 277,
you're stuck with it; you can't undo the patch unless you
uninstall and reinstall from the original media.  Be warned.

HTH!

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
http://www.omsys.com/

Automating the import of multi-page PDFs

[Art Campbell]

Unless there's a gotcha that you didn't mention, the easiest route would be
to SaveAs in Acrobat (or any of several third-party programs) to create an
RTF file. Then open the RTF files in Frame, wash out any hidden characters
by saving as MIF and reopening those files, and then apply the FM look-alike
template and go on...

Although you may be able to open the original Word Perfect files in Frame,
that import filter isn't as robust, in my opinion.

Art

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 "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a
redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
  DoD 358


On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 4:29 PM, Christopher Seal wrote:

> A project requires that FM is used to publish a collection of reports that
> were created in WordPerfect. The reports in the collection must look like
> the original reports - this is a condition.
>
> I can either copy text from the WordPerfect file and paste into the FM
> document (then format), or I can import sequential pages from the PDF
> version of each report.
>
> The report collection will be published as PDF.
>
> As there are hundreds of PDF pages to be imported (if I go that route), I
> was wondering if there is an automated method of doing this. Any
> suggestions
> would be welcome.
>
> I am using FM7.2/WP11
>
>
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Screen Capture

[David Spreadbury]

Fred,

Thank you for correcting that URL. My mind has been on several other things
and I didn't check before sending.

Mea culpa and sincerest apologies if some was mis-directed.



From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 3:24 PM
To: dspreadb at yahoo.com; syed.hosain at aeris.net; blamborn at comcast.net;
framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Screen Capture



Responding to Brian Lamborn, David Spreadbury wrote (in part):

> All of the posted options will work, but if you want better control over
> your captures, SnagIt (www.textsmith.com) is probably in the Cadillac
class.
> For less than $50, it is a steal.

I second David's recommendation of SnagIt, but I would point out that the
correct URL is www.techsmith.com. They have a free 30-day demo which
is well worth the price. ;^)

-Fred Ridder

Automating the import of multi-page PDFs

[Pinkham, Jim]

Yes, but I think that's a workaround, Art, and not the exact solution
Christopher is asking for. I recall considering an approach a year or
two back where I would have imported some of our subsupplier brochures,
MSDSs, Product Data Sheets, catalogs, etc. in their full-color,
graphically rich PDFs into FM (to facilitate indexing, bookmarking,
pagination, etc.) had there been a feasible way to do so. I believe
someone on the list suggested there is a plug-in out there that will
either a) directly allow multi-page PDF import all at once or b)
automatically split a PDF into all of its component pages for easier
import. If memory still serves, the cost of the tool wasn't worth it for
our needs, but that's not to say it wouldn't be for someone else. Anyone
recall such a tool?

Jim

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 3:42 PM
To: Christopher Seal
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Automating the import of multi-page PDFs

Unless there's a gotcha that you didn't mention, the easiest route would
be to SaveAs in Acrobat (or any of several third-party programs) to
create an RTF file. Then open the RTF files in Frame, wash out any
hidden characters by saving as MIF and reopening those files, and then
apply the FM look-alike template and go on...

Although you may be able to open the original Word Perfect files in
Frame, that import filter isn't as robust, in my opinion.

Art

Art Campbell
 art.campbell at gmail.com
 "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers
apply.
  DoD 358


On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 4:29 PM, Christopher Seal
wrote:

> A project requires that FM is used to publish a collection of reports 
> that were created in WordPerfect. The reports in the collection must 
> look like the original reports - this is a condition.
>
> I can either copy text from the WordPerfect file and paste into the FM

> document (then format), or I can import sequential pages from the PDF 
> version of each report.
>
> The report collection will be published as PDF.
>
> As there are hundreds of PDF pages to be imported (if I go that 
> route), I was wondering if there is an automated method of doing this.

> Any suggestions would be welcome.
>
> I am using FM7.2/WP11
>
>
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FM8 Updates (was: Re: difficulties using italics for index entries in FM 8.0)

[Fred Ridder]

Jeremy Griffith wrote (in part):

> One of 277's "features" is a change to the sort order of the
> formats in the catalogs that makes mincemeat of keyboard
> usage for applying formats (Ctrl-number-letters). The same
> "improvement" is in FM9, but thankfully there is a maker.ini
> setting to make it work the old (correct) way. With 277,
> you're stuck with it; you can't undo the patch unless you
> uninstall and reinstall from the original media. Be warned.

On my system, each of the updates appears as a separate item
in the Control Panel's Add or Remove Programs listing, and I 
was able to successfully roll back (or at least it *seemed* to 
be completely successful...) from 277 to 273 by removing 
the "Adobe FrameMaker 8 p277 Patcher" item. 

-Fred Ridder

Automating the import of multi-page PDFs

[Art Campbell]

Well,  I'd disagree, slightly. I think the import-via-RTF fits under the
umbrella of copying the original text and reformattting it, which was one of
Christopher's original options. It just isn't copying it directly from the
Word Perfect source.

Putting a wrapper around a sequence of PDFs would work, but I'd always want
to leave the door open to having to correct the originals or to roll them
forward into a newer version in the years to come.

So I'd opt for having editable text.

Art

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 "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a
redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
  DoD 358


On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Pinkham, Jim  wrote:

> Yes, but I think that's a workaround, Art, and not the exact solution
> Christopher is asking for. I recall considering an approach a year or
> two back where I would have imported some of our subsupplier brochures,
> MSDSs, Product Data Sheets, catalogs, etc. in their full-color,
> graphically rich PDFs into FM (to facilitate indexing, bookmarking,
> pagination, etc.) had there been a feasible way to do so. I believe
> someone on the list suggested there is a plug-in out there that will
> either a) directly allow multi-page PDF import all at once or b)
> automatically split a PDF into all of its component pages for easier
> import. If memory still serves, the cost of the tool wasn't worth it for
> our needs, but that's not to say it wouldn't be for someone else. Anyone
> recall such a tool?
>
> Jim
>
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell
> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 3:42 PM
> To: Christopher Seal
> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Automating the import of multi-page PDFs
>
> Unless there's a gotcha that you didn't mention, the easiest route would
> be to SaveAs in Acrobat (or any of several third-party programs) to
> create an RTF file. Then open the RTF files in Frame, wash out any
> hidden characters by saving as MIF and reopening those files, and then
> apply the FM look-alike template and go on...
>
> Although you may be able to open the original Word Perfect files in
> Frame, that import filter isn't as robust, in my opinion.
>
> Art
>
> Art Campbell
> art.campbell at gmail.com
>  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
> and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
> No disclaimers
> apply.
>  DoD 358
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 4:29 PM, Christopher Seal
> wrote:
>
> > A project requires that FM is used to publish a collection of reports
> > that were created in WordPerfect. The reports in the collection must
> > look like the original reports - this is a condition.
> >
> > I can either copy text from the WordPerfect file and paste into the FM
>
> > document (then format), or I can import sequential pages from the PDF
> > version of each report.
> >
> > The report collection will be published as PDF.
> >
> > As there are hundreds of PDF pages to be imported (if I go that
> > route), I was wondering if there is an automated method of doing this.
>
> > Any suggestions would be welcome.
> >
> > I am using FM7.2/WP11
> >
> >
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Importing Multi Page Tiffs, How ??

[Jacob Schäffer]

Although the TIFF format supports multiple pages there aren't many
applications out there supporting the multi-page flavor. Adobe Photoshop
doesn't, I believe (I haven't tested with CS3 or newer) -- even though the
TIFF spec is published by Adobe. The likely reason is that multiple-page
TIFF has a completely different purpose than TIFF for graphic arts
production.

Unfortunately I don't have a multiple-page TIFF handy, but I'm quite certain
that Adobe Photoshop can OPEN such a beast, but upon SAVE operations I
suspect it will effectively remove anything but page 1. I'm unaware that
Adobe should have changed this behavior since I tried some time back.

Hence, be careful with the choice of editor for such TIFF files. Back-up and
test carefully !!!

The only tool I know of that actually can write multiple-page TIFF is
Ghostscript's tiffgXXX devices, which typically uses G3 or G4 encoding. G3
and G4 is primarily targetted against transmitting/storing Fax messages, i.e
is not too relevant for Photoshop to deal with -- perhaps except for
compressing 1-bit lineart.

I'd say it's generally risky business to use this TIFF flavor in a graphic
environment.

Best regards / Med venlig hilsen
Jacob Sch?ffer  |  Chief Developer


Grafikhuset (House of Graphics)
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Automating the import of multi-page PDFs

[Combs, Richard]

Christopher Seal wrote: 

> I can either copy text from the WordPerfect file and paste into the FM
> document (then format), or I can import sequential pages from the PDF
> version of each report.
> 
> The report collection will be published as PDF.
> 
> As there are hundreds of PDF pages to be imported (if I go that
route), I
> was wondering if there is an automated method of doing this. Any
> suggestions
> would be welcome.

Well, I haven't done hundreds -- and might consider a FrameScript script
for a project that size, especially if it were likely to come up again.
But I've imported several 15-30 page PDFs, and it only took a few
minutes each. 

My PDFs were sized so they fit correctly in the text frame of my FM body
pages without any sizing/scaling. This simplifies things. 

Begin by creating a dedicated anchor pgf and putting the cursor in it.
Then enter the keyboard shortcut for File > Import > File (Esc f i f)
and select the multi-page PDF you want to import. 

The Select PDF Page dialog opens to the first page of the PDF, so just
press Enter to select it. FM imports it into an anchored frame in the
anchor pgf. Make sure the sizing and layout are correct. 

Now that you have the first PDF page in FM, select the anchor pgf
containing that it and copy it. Then paste it into the flow as many
times as there are pages in the PDF. 

All the copies, of course, display the first page of that PDF. Replace
their contents with the subsequent PDF pages by doing the following: 

1) Press Page Down. 

2) Click the next PDF page to select it, and press Esc f i f. The Import
dialog opens with the correct PDF already selected. 

3) Press Enter. The Select PDF Page dialog opens to the first page of
the PDF. 

4) Press Tab to put the cursor in the page number field.

5) Type the next page number and press Enter to import that page. 

6) Go back to (1) and repeat until done. 

It's no problem doing five or six repetitions of the above in a minute.
The biggest risk is losing track of the page number and getting off by
one, so you'd want to stop briefly every minute or two to double-check. 

Once you get into the rhythm of it -- and if you don't freak out from
the immensely mind-numbing nature of the process -- I suspect you can do
well over a hundred in an hour. :-)

Richard


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Importing Multi Page Tiffs, How ??

[Owen, Clint]

Some of our older scanned documents are multi-page TIFFs. I keep a copy
of Paperport Deluxe (version 7.0, that came with a long gone scanner) on
my computer solely because it can split these files into individual
graphics.

Clint


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Telephone: +1 425-743-8674 | Fax: +1 425-743-8113


-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alan
Litchfield
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 1:04 PM
To: Art Campbell
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com; Richard Melanson
Subject: Re: Importing Multi Page Tiffs, How ??

Multi-page tiffs are pretty common really.

I remember replying to this, so I am not certain why it has come up
again. But anyway I suggested opening the tiff in an application that
supports multi-page tiffs (probably *not* Photoshop) and print the file
to PDF (press-quality settings if you want to print it). This produces a
multi-page PDf which can be easily imported into FM.

Alan

Art Campbell wrote:
> Richard,
> I think you may have uncovered a rare bug. I hadn't ever seen a 
> multi-page TIF before... and I bet the coders hadn't either. I'd 
> expect Frame to treat it as a multi-page PDF and prompt you to select
which page to display.
>
> May be worth opening a bug on it.
>
> The only work-around I can suggest is to either cut the TIF into 
> single pages with something like Photoshop or create a PDF from it, so

> you can select which page to display.
>
> Art
>
> Art Campbell
>  art.campbell at gmail.com
>  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent

> and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
>  No disclaimers
apply.
>   DoD 358
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Richard Melanson
> wrote:
>
>> I posted this yesterday and was just wondering if anyone received it,

>> thank you.
>>
>> Hello Framers,
>>
>> I have spent the last couples of hours trying to find an answer to 
>> this question. I am importing by reference TIFFs into a Framemaker 8
file.
>> The TIFFs are a single file with multiple pages, but Frame is only 
>> importing the first page. What am I missing here, I sure hope this is

>> not embarrassingly easy answer. Thank you for any help you can give
me.
>>
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Automating the import of multi-page PDFs

[Pinkham, Jim]

If that is an option for Christopher, I'd certainly agree that this
approach is a good one, Art. 

As for the direct import issue, I went back and searched the archives
and found the discussion in October 2006, but couldn't find a definitive
answer to the direct import of multiple-page PDFs into Frame. You
suggested the alternative approach of the RTF for the text at that
point, too, along with a second trip through with a PNG export to take
care of the graphics. This makes sense, and long term, I agree it's
better to have content you can edit and reuse than to have it
constrained in PDFs. 

A quick search
(http://www.google.com/search?hl=en=3213=46573=import+(multip
age+OR+multi-page+OR+multiple+page)+PDFs+into+(FM+OR+Framemaker)=Go
ogle+Search=o=) suggests there are tools out there that will split
up a PDF into individual pages (see, for instance, the splitter and
merger tools on Planet PDF), but I didn't find a batch import tool in
the same quick glance. 

One other interesting-sounding tool on Planet PDF is PDF Fly,
http://www.pdfstore.com/details.asp?ProdID=742. It sounds promising for
getting graphics out of a PDF for putting into FM. Perhaps there's a
user or two on the list who can enlighten us about its efficacy?

Jim



From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campb...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 4:24 PM
To: Pinkham, Jim
Cc: Christopher Seal; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Automating the import of multi-page PDFs


Well,  I'd disagree, slightly. I think the import-via-RTF fits under the
umbrella of copying the original text and reformattting it, which was
one of Christopher's original options. It just isn't copying it directly
from the Word Perfect source.

Putting a wrapper around a sequence of PDFs would work, but I'd always
want to leave the door open to having to correct the originals or to
roll them forward into a newer version in the years to come. 

So I'd opt for having editable text.

Art

Art Campbell
art.campbell at gmail.com
 "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers
apply.
  DoD 358



On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Pinkham, Jim 
wrote:


Yes, but I think that's a workaround, Art, and not the exact
solution
Christopher is asking for. I recall considering an approach a
year or
two back where I would have imported some of our subsupplier
brochures,
MSDSs, Product Data Sheets, catalogs, etc. in their full-color,
graphically rich PDFs into FM (to facilitate indexing,
bookmarking,
pagination, etc.) had there been a feasible way to do so. I
believe
someone on the list suggested there is a plug-in out there that
will
either a) directly allow multi-page PDF import all at once or b)
automatically split a PDF into all of its component pages for
easier
import. If memory still serves, the cost of the tool wasn't
worth it for
our needs, but that's not to say it wouldn't be for someone
else. Anyone
recall such a tool?

Jim


-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art
Campbell
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 3:42 PM
To: Christopher Seal
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Automating the import of multi-page PDFs

Unless there's a gotcha that you didn't mention, the easiest
route would
be to SaveAs in Acrobat (or any of several third-party programs)
to
create an RTF file. Then open the RTF files in Frame, wash out
any
hidden characters by saving as MIF and reopening those files,
and then
apply the FM look-alike template and go on...

Although you may be able to open the original Word Perfect files
in
Frame, that import filter isn't as robust, in my opinion.

Art

Art Campbell
art.campbell at gmail.com
 "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
Vincent
and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
No
disclaimers
apply.
 DoD
358


On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 4:29 PM, Christopher Seal
wrote:

> A project requires that FM is used to publish a collection of
reports
> that were created in WordPerfect. The reports in the
collection must
> look like the original reports - this is a condition.
>
> I can either copy text from the WordPerfect file and paste
into the FM

> document (then format), or I can import sequential pages from
the PDF
> version of each report.
>
 

Automating the import of multi-page PDFs

[Combs, Richard]

Pinkham, Jim wrote: 

> As for the direct import issue, I went back and searched the archives
> and found the discussion in October 2006, but couldn't find a
definitive
> answer to the direct import of multiple-page PDFs into Frame. You
> suggested the alternative approach of the RTF for the text at that
> point, too, along with a second trip through with a PNG export to take
> care of the graphics. This makes sense, and long term, I agree it's
> better to have content you can edit and reuse than to have it
> constrained in PDFs.

I believe Chris said the report pages must look _exactly_ like they do
in the PDF, so editing isn't really relevant for his problem, and
reformatting RTF to replicate what already exists seems like needless
extra work. 

Maybe I'm confused about what you mean by "a definitive answer to the
direct import of multiple-page PDFs into Frame." I like to think my
earlier post provided a fairly definitive answer -- I've done it
numerous times, and it works great. :-)

> A quick search
>
(http://www.google.com/search?hl=en=3213=46573=import+(multip
>
age+OR+multi-page+OR+multiple+page)+PDFs+into+(FM+OR+Framemaker)=Go
> ogle+Search=o=) suggests there are tools out there that will
split
> up a PDF into individual pages (see, for instance, the splitter and
> merger tools on Planet PDF), but I didn't find a batch import tool in
> the same quick glance.

Splitting up a multi-page PDF serves no useful purpose in this context.
For the manual (but fast) process I described earlier, it would be
counterproductive, since it would require the extra step of browsing to
a different file for each import operation -- much more time-consuming
than simply typing a page number. 

And I can't imagine a script- or macro-based process where separate
files would be an advantage, either. 

"It's my opinion and it's very true."

Richard


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Automating the import of multi-page PDFs

[Chris Seal]

Wow. Quick response!
I've read the responses, and obviously I have to clarify a few things.

Note: This is a short contract in which I have already finished several
collections that were started by others, and in which the FM book had been
set up, and individual documents had been text filled and partially
formatted. I now have to start on the next and final collection from
scratch, and that is why I am investigating other methods. It seems to me
that the previous writers had copied text from the WP original and pasted it
into the FM document. The clue is that sometimes the last character or word
missing from a paragraph, as if the mouse slipped during the selection. By
the way, the collections end up being around 700 pages each, and there is an
English version and a separate French version of each collection.

1. The final document that contains the collection of reports has a few
original chapters of front and back matter such as covers, an introduction
to the collection, and an index.
2. The reports have already been published as individual documents.
3. The reports are the signed-off, accepted, and tabled product of a
government commission. That is why the collection has to reflect the
original accurately, which means, for example, any errors (e.g.
spelling)cannot be fixed. No editing or format changes are permitted.
4. The individual reports have the same organizational structure as each
other but, because there were many commissioners, writers, editors, and
lawyers involved in the creation of the original reports, there are
individual 'variations' (inconsistencies) in text elements such as lists.
For example I've had to handle lists that are completely Arabic numbered,
even sublists and subsublists of the same list.
5. My saving grace is that once published the collection will never be
edited or reused! Which helps immensely because...
6. ...nearly all elements carry overrides to make them look like the
original. I've had to perform other tricks like making table footnotes in FM
look like the table footnotes in WP. (Honestly, I couldn't find a way to
change the way FM does table footnotes.) And balancing pages to make
footnotes appear on the same page as the referring number has been a pain.

So, in case I can do it quicker than copying and pasting text, I wanted to
know if there is an automated way of importing PDF into FM (some reports can
have around 100 pages). I like the process that Richard Combs described, and
I will experiment with this - but it sounds mind numbing for sure. I will
also have to compose a hard TOC.

I have already tested if a PDF imported into a FM document, which is then
published as a PDF, is searchable (another requirement). It is.

Thanks to all of you who responded. I hope my post above more clearly shows
what I am doing. It has been an interesting gig, and is the first time (40
years in tech pubs!) I've not worked in an engineering environment. So it's
plain 'pubs' now, which is where I'm heading soon.