Re: [Frameworks] Electronic Soundtracks for Avant-Garde Films

[Anthony Yanick]

Tarkvosky used the ANS synthesizer

On Tue, Dec 26, 2017 at 9:58 PM, C Keefer <keef...@gmail.com> wrote:

> A correction re the John Stehura film, mentioned in Albert's first post
> below. * Cibernetik 5.3* (note correct spelling) was made between
> 1960-65. Not 1968. Center for Visual Music is the distributor for this film.
>
> John's older page about the film with this data is at
> http://cyberanimation.tripod.com/
> Please note the CVM addresses are quite old, but the CVM phone number and
> email are correct there.
>
> Other films for Albert's list:
> *Allures* (1961) by Jordan Belson, sound by Belson and Henry Jacobs.
>
> More films by Jordan Belson including
> *LSD* (c. 1962), sound by Belson
> *Seance *(1959), sound by Pierre Schaffer
>
> *Odds and Ends* (1959) by Jane Conger Belson Shimane, sound by Henry
> Jacobs
>
> Also
> Hank Stockert's *Scope Two*, sound by Henry Jacobs
>
> Cindy Keefer
> Center for Visual Music
> www.centerforvisualmusic.org
> CVM email is cvmaccess at gmail dot com
>
> On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 4:00 AM, <frameworks-requ...@jonasmekasfilms.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> -- Forwarded message --
>>
>> From: Albert Alcoz <albertal...@gmail.com>
>> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>
>> Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 12:38:59 +0100
>> Subject: [Frameworks] Electronic Soundtracks for Avant-Garde Films
>> Hello all,
>>
>>
>>
>> After asking about jazz
>> ​ and​
>> ​ music an experimental film
>> ​, ​
>> and feeling grateful for all the answers​, I was wondering about the
>> connections between early electronic music and avant-garde film.
>> ​ ​
>> Recently I watched *OFFON* (1967-72) by Scott Bartlett with a “sound
>> composition” by Manny Meyer.
>>
>>
>> Again, there should be plenty of avant-garde films where the soundtrack
>> is instrumental electronic music or experimental
>> ​abstract ​
>> sound created with magnetic tape recorders, synthesizers, electronic
>> tools, etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> Maybe one question would be to define what is considered to be early
>> electronic music but anyway, lets try it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Does anyone remember some other avant-garde films with
>> ​early ​
>> electronic music
>> ​ from the 50's, 60's, 70's even 80's​
>> ?
>>
>>
>>
>> Right now here’s the first list:
>>
>>
>>
>> *Cybernetik 5.3* (1968) by John Stehura. Music: Tod Dockstader.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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Re: [Frameworks] Electronic Soundtracks for Avant-Garde Films

[C Keefer]

A correction re the John Stehura film, mentioned in Albert's first post
below. * Cibernetik 5.3* (note correct spelling) was made between 1960-65.
Not 1968. Center for Visual Music is the distributor for this film.

John's older page about the film with this data is at
http://cyberanimation.tripod.com/
Please note the CVM addresses are quite old, but the CVM phone number and
email are correct there.

Other films for Albert's list:
*Allures* (1961) by Jordan Belson, sound by Belson and Henry Jacobs.

More films by Jordan Belson including
*LSD* (c. 1962), sound by Belson
*Seance *(1959), sound by Pierre Schaffer

*Odds and Ends* (1959) by Jane Conger Belson Shimane, sound by Henry Jacobs

Also
Hank Stockert's *Scope Two*, sound by Henry Jacobs

Cindy Keefer
Center for Visual Music
www.centerforvisualmusic.org
CVM email is cvmaccess at gmail dot com

On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 4:00 AM, <frameworks-requ...@jonasmekasfilms.com>
wrote:

>
> -- Forwarded message --
>
> From: Albert Alcoz <albertal...@gmail.com>
> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>
> Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 12:38:59 +0100
> Subject: [Frameworks] Electronic Soundtracks for Avant-Garde Films
> Hello all,
>
>
>
> After asking about jazz
> ​ and​
> ​ music an experimental film
> ​, ​
> and feeling grateful for all the answers​, I was wondering about the
> connections between early electronic music and avant-garde film.
> ​ ​
> Recently I watched *OFFON* (1967-72) by Scott Bartlett with a “sound
> composition” by Manny Meyer.
>
>
> Again, there should be plenty of avant-garde films where the soundtrack
> is instrumental electronic music or experimental
> ​abstract ​
> sound created with magnetic tape recorders, synthesizers, electronic
> tools, etc.
>
>
>
> Maybe one question would be to define what is considered to be early
> electronic music but anyway, lets try it.
>
>
>
> Does anyone remember some other avant-garde films with
> ​early ​
> electronic music
> ​ from the 50's, 60's, 70's even 80's​
> ?
>
>
>
> Right now here’s the first list:
>
>
>
> *Cybernetik 5.3* (1968) by John Stehura. Music: Tod Dockstader.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Frameworks] Electronic Soundtracks for Avant-Garde Films

[Jim Flannery]

Thursday, December 21, 2017, 1:59:18 PM, one wrote:

> The original version of Gordon Matta-Clark's Office Baroque I believe
> had an electronic soundtrack.

Yes, the original soundtrack for Office Baroque was by André Stordeur.

Mark T. beat me to Akran. Intense and on youtube.

Derek Jarman's "In the Shadow of the Sun", by Throbbing Gristle. (2
versions)

Several films by Michel Chion, one in collaboration with Laurie Spiegel.
(Only the first is on youtube)

Bernard Parmegiani's "L'ecran transparent". (on vimeo)

FWIW my "Steve Reich for Two Projectors" was based on "Come Out". It is
silent, tho ;-).


-- 
 Jim Flannery
 j...@newgrangemedia.com



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Re: [Frameworks] Electronic Soundtracks for Avant-Garde Films

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The amazing film and sound Thanatopsis, Ed Emschwiller
also scott bartlett’s Moon 69 and Serpent. 
and flicker,tony conrad. 

> On Dec 21, 2017, at 11:31 PM, Andy Ditzler <a...@andyditzler.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Mark, for this great list and the reminder of Hammer's Dyketactics. 
> I'd forgotten that wonderful soundtrack. I'm also reminded now of Ben van 
> Meter's own electronic soundtrack for S.F. Trips Festival - An Opening, and 
> for parts of Acid Mantra. 
> 
> Andy
> 
>> On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 6:33 PM, Mark Toscano <mrkt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Oh Dem Watermelons' soundtrack is indeed an original Steve Reich 
>> composition/performance with piano and voices, not electronic.  Plastic 
>> Haircut (1963) contains Reich's first-ever tape piece.  Pretty sure the 
>> Rainbow in Curved Air on Lawder's Corridor is just from the standard record 
>> - the film does have a 3-minute intro containing different sound which I 
>> vaguely recall Standish telling me that he made himself, and that he just 
>> used the LP otherwise and asked Terry Riley if it was OK.
>> 
>> Also Lawder's Raindance has a great electronic soundtrack by Robert Withers. 
>>  
>> 
>> Pat O'Neill has some fantastic experimental and/or electronic soundtracks in 
>> many of his earlier films - 7362 is by Joseph Byrd and a few of the '70s 
>> tracks are by Stan Levine.  I think Pat did the Runs Good track himself.  
>> 
>> Barbara Hammer has a number of films with excellent electronic soundtracks, 
>> including No No Nooky T.V., Optic Nerve, Dyketactics (by BH herself)...
>> 
>> Carl Stone did tracks for Adam Beckett's Evolution of the Red Star, Jules 
>> Engel's Accident, and Roberta Friedman & Grahame Weinbren's Amusement Park 
>> Composition & Decay.  Barry Schrader scored Beckett's Heavy-Light.
>> 
>> Rick Corrigan's tracks for some of Brakhage's '80s films are pretty great - 
>> there was even a cassette release of some of them.
>> 
>> Rhys Chatham did soundtracks for Daina Krumins' Aether and The Divine 
>> Miracle.
>> 
>> Fred Coulter's electronic track for Richard Myers' Akran is pretty intense 
>> and interesting.
>> 
>> Carter Thomas did excellent tracks for Kathy Rose's Mirror People and 
>> Sky-David's Sonoma.
>> 
>> 
>> Mark T
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 1:59 PM, Andy Ditzler <a...@andyditzler.com> wrote:
>>> I think Reich's soundtrack for Watermelons is just piano and voices, though 
>>> I could be misremembering. A Reich tape collage piece forms the central 
>>> section of Robert Nelson's Plastic Haircut. 
>>> 
>>> Also, Mick Jagger's Moog soundtrack for Kenneth Anger's Invocation of My 
>>> Demon Brother. 
>>> 
>>> The original version of Gordon Matta-Clark's Office Baroque I believe had 
>>> an electronic soundtrack. This was later replaced by Richard Landry's 
>>> saxophone-based soundtrack, but if memory serves this had electronic 
>>> effects and looping as well. 
>>> 
>>> I suppose the ascending sine wave tone in Wavelength would count! 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Andy Ditzler
>>> Founder and curator, Film Love: www.filmlove.org
>>> Co-founder, John Q collective: www.johnq.org
>>> Fall 2017: Film Love presents The American Music Show retrospective 
>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 7:49 AM, Ingo Petzke <i...@petzke.biz> wrote:
>>>> Don’t forget the early (tape) work by Steve Reich as can be heard in “Oh 
>>>> dem watermelons” by Robert Nelson 1965 [though the by-far best of these 
>>>> early pieces “Come out to show them” unfortunately never made it into a 
>>>> film soundtrack]
>>>> 
>>>> Also, “Corridor” by Standish Lawder 1971 uses a slightly prolonged version 
>>>> of “Rainbow in Curved Air” by Riley.
>>>> 
>>>> “Binary Bit Patterns” 1969 by Michael Whitney uses what sounds like 
>>>> computer-generated music.
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Ingo
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Von: FrameWorks [mailto:frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com] Im Auftrag 
>>>> von Elena Duque
>>>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. Dezember 2017 13:03
>>>> An: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>
>>>> Betreff: Re: [Frameworks] Electronic Soundtracks for Avant-Garde Films
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Hello!
>>>> 
>

Re: [Frameworks] Electronic Soundtracks for Avant-Garde Films

[Andy Ditzler]

Thanks, Mark, for this great list and the reminder of Hammer's Dyketactics.
I'd forgotten that wonderful soundtrack. I'm also reminded now of Ben van
Meter's own electronic soundtrack for S.F. Trips Festival - An Opening, and
for parts of Acid Mantra.

Andy

On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 6:33 PM, Mark Toscano <mrkt...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Oh Dem Watermelons' soundtrack is indeed an original Steve Reich
> composition/performance with piano and voices, not electronic.  Plastic
> Haircut (1963) contains Reich's first-ever tape piece.  Pretty sure the
> Rainbow in Curved Air on Lawder's Corridor is just from the standard record
> - the film does have a 3-minute intro containing different sound which I
> vaguely recall Standish telling me that he made himself, and that he just
> used the LP otherwise and asked Terry Riley if it was OK.
>
> Also Lawder's Raindance has a great electronic soundtrack by Robert
> Withers.
>
> Pat O'Neill has some fantastic experimental and/or electronic soundtracks
> in many of his earlier films - 7362 is by Joseph Byrd and a few of the '70s
> tracks are by Stan Levine.  I think Pat did the Runs Good track himself.
>
> Barbara Hammer has a number of films with excellent electronic
> soundtracks, including No No Nooky T.V., Optic Nerve, Dyketactics (by BH
> herself)...
>
> Carl Stone did tracks for Adam Beckett's Evolution of the Red Star, Jules
> Engel's Accident, and Roberta Friedman & Grahame Weinbren's Amusement Park
> Composition & Decay.  Barry Schrader scored Beckett's Heavy-Light.
>
> Rick Corrigan's tracks for some of Brakhage's '80s films are pretty great
> - there was even a cassette release of some of them.
>
> Rhys Chatham did soundtracks for Daina Krumins' Aether and The Divine
> Miracle.
>
> Fred Coulter's electronic track for Richard Myers' Akran is pretty intense
> and interesting.
>
> Carter Thomas did excellent tracks for Kathy Rose's Mirror People and
> Sky-David's Sonoma.
>
>
> Mark T
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 1:59 PM, Andy Ditzler <a...@andyditzler.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I think Reich's soundtrack for Watermelons is just piano and voices,
>> though I could be misremembering. A Reich tape collage piece forms the
>> central section of Robert Nelson's Plastic Haircut.
>>
>> Also, Mick Jagger's Moog soundtrack for Kenneth Anger's Invocation of My
>> Demon Brother.
>>
>> The original version of Gordon Matta-Clark's Office Baroque I believe had
>> an electronic soundtrack. This was later replaced by Richard Landry's
>> saxophone-based soundtrack, but if memory serves this had electronic
>> effects and looping as well.
>>
>> I suppose the ascending sine wave tone in Wavelength would count!
>>
>>
>> Andy Ditzler
>> Founder and curator, Film Love: www.filmlove.org
>> Co-founder, John Q collective: www.johnq.org
>> Fall 2017: Film Love presents The American Music Show retrospective
>> <http://www.frequentsmallmeals.com/AmericanMusicShow_Retrospective.htm>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 7:49 AM, Ingo Petzke <i...@petzke.biz> wrote:
>>
>>> Don’t forget the early (tape) work by Steve Reich as can be heard in “Oh
>>> dem watermelons” by Robert Nelson 1965 [though the by-far best of these
>>> early pieces “Come out to show them” unfortunately never made it into a
>>> film soundtrack]
>>>
>>> Also, “Corridor” by Standish Lawder 1971 uses a slightly prolonged
>>> version of “Rainbow in Curved Air” by Riley.
>>>
>>> “Binary Bit Patterns” 1969 by Michael Whitney uses what sounds like
>>> computer-generated music.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ingo
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Von:* FrameWorks [mailto:frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com] *Im
>>> Auftrag von *Elena Duque
>>> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 21. Dezember 2017 13:03
>>> *An:* Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>
>>> *Betreff:* Re: [Frameworks] Electronic Soundtracks for Avant-Garde Films
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The films by Lillian Schwartz have very nice electronic music
>>> soundtracks:
>>>
>>> http://lillian.com/films/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bruce Conner's Crossroads, with music by Terry Riley and Patrick Gleeson
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Not sure if sound experiments like Lis Rhodes or Robert Russett count...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2017-12-21 12:38 GMT+01:00 Albert Alcoz <albertal...@gmail.com>:
>>>
>>> Hel

Re: [Frameworks] Electronic Soundtracks for Avant-Garde Films

[Andy Ditzler]

I think Reich's soundtrack for Watermelons is just piano and voices, though
I could be misremembering. A Reich tape collage piece forms the central
section of Robert Nelson's Plastic Haircut.

Also, Mick Jagger's Moog soundtrack for Kenneth Anger's Invocation of My
Demon Brother.

The original version of Gordon Matta-Clark's Office Baroque I believe had
an electronic soundtrack. This was later replaced by Richard Landry's
saxophone-based soundtrack, but if memory serves this had electronic
effects and looping as well.

I suppose the ascending sine wave tone in Wavelength would count!


Andy Ditzler
Founder and curator, Film Love: www.filmlove.org
Co-founder, John Q collective: www.johnq.org
Fall 2017: Film Love presents The American Music Show retrospective
<http://www.frequentsmallmeals.com/AmericanMusicShow_Retrospective.htm>

On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 7:49 AM, Ingo Petzke <i...@petzke.biz> wrote:

> Don’t forget the early (tape) work by Steve Reich as can be heard in “Oh
> dem watermelons” by Robert Nelson 1965 [though the by-far best of these
> early pieces “Come out to show them” unfortunately never made it into a
> film soundtrack]
>
> Also, “Corridor” by Standish Lawder 1971 uses a slightly prolonged version
> of “Rainbow in Curved Air” by Riley.
>
> “Binary Bit Patterns” 1969 by Michael Whitney uses what sounds like
> computer-generated music.
>
>
>
> Ingo
>
>
>
> *Von:* FrameWorks [mailto:frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com] *Im
> Auftrag von *Elena Duque
> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 21. Dezember 2017 13:03
> *An:* Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>
> *Betreff:* Re: [Frameworks] Electronic Soundtracks for Avant-Garde Films
>
>
>
> Hello!
>
>
>
> The films by Lillian Schwartz have very nice electronic music soundtracks:
>
> http://lillian.com/films/
>
>
>
> Bruce Conner's Crossroads, with music by Terry Riley and Patrick Gleeson
>
>
>
> Not sure if sound experiments like Lis Rhodes or Robert Russett count...
>
>
>
> 2017-12-21 12:38 GMT+01:00 Albert Alcoz <albertal...@gmail.com>:
>
> Hello all,
>
>
>
> After asking about jazz
>
> ​ and​
>
> ​ music an experimental film
>
> ​, ​
>
> and feeling grateful for all the answers​, I was wondering about the
> connections between early electronic music and avant-garde film.
>
> ​ ​
>
> Recently I watched *OFFON* (1967-72) by Scott Bartlett with a “sound
> composition” by Manny Meyer.
>
>
>
> Again, there should be plenty of avant-garde films where the soundtrack
> is instrumental electronic music or experimental
>
> ​abstract ​
>
> sound created with magnetic tape recorders, synthesizers, electronic
> tools, etc.
>
>
>
> Maybe one question would be to define what is considered to be early
> electronic music but anyway, lets try it.
>
>
>
> Does anyone remember some other avant-garde films with
>
> ​early ​
>
> electronic music
>
> ​ from the 50's, 60's, 70's even 80's​
>
> ?
>
>
>
> Right now here’s the first list:
>
>
>
> *Cybernetik 5.3* (1968) by John Stehura. Music: Tod Dockstader.
>
>
>
> *Crystals* (1968) by Herbert Loebel. Music: Michael Lloyd.
>
>
>
> *Rohfilm *(1968) by Birgit & Wilhelm Hein. Music: Christian Michaelis.
>
>
>
> *Two Images for a Computer Piece *(1969) by Lloyd Williams. Music:
> Vladimir Ussachevsky.
>
>
>
> *Variations on a Cellophane Wrapper* (1970) by David Rimmer. Music: Don
> Druick.
>
>
>
> *Berlin Horse* (1970) de Malcolm Le Grice. Music: Brian Eno.
>
>
>
> *Mutations* (1973) by Lilian F. Schwartz. Music: Jean Claude Risset.
>
>
>
> Several films by Dore O. and Werner Nekes with sountracks by Anthony Moore
> like *Diwan *(1973) or* Kaskara* (1974).
>
>
>
> *Riddles of the Sphinx* (1977) by Laura Mulvey and Peter Wollen. Music:
> Mike Ratledge.
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
>
>
> Albert Alcoz
>
>
>
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Re: [Frameworks] Electronic Soundtracks for Avant-Garde Films

[Rob Gawthrop]

Tony Conrad !


On 21 Dec 2017, at 11:38, Albert Alcoz  wrote:

> Hello all,
>  
> After asking about jazz
> 
> ​ and​​ music an experimental film​, ​and feeling grateful for all the 
> answers​, I was wondering about the connections between early electronic 
> music and avant-garde film.​ ​Recently I watched OFFON (1967-72) by Scott 
> Bartlett with a “sound composition” by Manny Meyer.
> 
> 
> 
> Again, there should be plenty of avant-garde films where the soundtrack is 
> instrumental electronic music or experimental
> 
> ​abstract ​sound created with magnetic tape recorders, synthesizers, 
> electronic tools, etc.
> 
>  
> Maybe one question would be to define what is considered to be early 
> electronic music but anyway, lets try it.
> 
>  
> Does anyone remember some other avant-garde films with
> 
> ​early ​electronic music​ from the 50's, 60's, 70's even 80's​? 
> 
>  
> Right now here’s the first list:
> 
>  
> Cybernetik 5.3 (1968) by John Stehura. Music: Tod Dockstader.
> 
>  
> Crystals (1968) by Herbert Loebel. Music: Michael Lloyd.
> 
>  
> Rohfilm (1968) by Birgit & Wilhelm Hein. Music: Christian Michaelis.
> 
>  
> Two Images for a Computer Piece (1969) by Lloyd Williams. Music: Vladimir 
> Ussachevsky.
> 
>  
> Variations on a Cellophane Wrapper (1970) by David Rimmer. Music: Don Druick.
> 
>  
> Berlin Horse (1970) de Malcolm Le Grice. Music: Brian Eno.
> 
>  
> Mutations (1973) by Lilian F. Schwartz. Music: Jean Claude Risset.
> 
>  
> Several films by Dore O. and Werner Nekes with sountracks by Anthony Moore 
> like Diwan (1973) or Kaskara (1974).
> 
>  
> Riddles of the Sphinx (1977) by Laura Mulvey and Peter Wollen. Music: Mike 
> Ratledge.
> 
>  
> Thanks in advance,
> 
>  
> Albert Alcoz
> 
>  
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Re: [Frameworks] Electronic Soundtracks for Avant-Garde Films

[Pablo Marin]

Yes it did, Ingo. In 1971!
https://vimeo.com/141265024
Best,PM

 

On Thursday, December 21, 2017 9:50 AM, Ingo Petzke <i...@petzke.biz> wrote:
 

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work by Steve Reich as can be heard in “Oh dem watermelons” by Robert Nelson 
1965 [though the by-far best of these early pieces “Come out to show them” 
unfortunately never made it into a film soundtrack]Also, “Corridor” by Standish 
Lawder 1971 uses a slightly prolonged version of “Rainbow in Curved Air” by 
Riley.“Binary Bit Patterns” 1969 by Michael Whitney uses what sounds like 
computer-generated music.  Ingo   Von: FrameWorks 
[mailto:frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com] Im Auftrag von Elena Duque
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. Dezember 2017 13:03
An: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>
Betreff: Re: [Frameworks] Electronic Soundtracks for Avant-Garde Films  Hello!  
The films by Lillian Schwartz have very nice electronic music 
soundtracks:http://lillian.com/films/  Bruce Conner's Crossroads, with music by 
Terry Riley and Patrick Gleeson  Not sure if sound experiments like Lis Rhodes 
or Robert Russett count...  2017-12-21 12:38 GMT+01:00 Albert Alcoz 
<albertal...@gmail.com>:
Hello all, After asking about jazz​ and​​ music an experimental film​, ​and 
feeling grateful for all the answers​, I was wondering about the connections 
between early electronic music and avant-garde film.​ ​Recently I watched OFFON 
(1967-72) by Scott Bartlett with a “sound composition” by Manny Meyer.  Again, 
there should be plenty of avant-garde films where the soundtrack is 
instrumental electronic music or experimental ​abstract ​sound created with 
magnetic tape recorders, synthesizers, electronic tools, etc.  Maybe one 
question would be to define what is considered to be early electronic music but 
anyway, lets try it. Does anyone remember some other avant-garde films with 
​early ​electronic music​ from the 50's, 60's, 70's even 80's​?  Right now 
here’s the first list: Cybernetik 5.3 (1968) by John Stehura. Music: Tod 
Dockstader. Crystals (1968) by Herbert Loebel. Music: Michael Lloyd. Rohfilm 
(1968) by Birgit & Wilhelm Hein. Music: Christian Michaelis. Two Images for a 
Computer Piece (1969) by Lloyd Williams. Music: Vladimir Ussachevsky. 
Variations on a Cellophane Wrapper (1970) by David Rimmer. Music: Don Druick. 
Berlin Horse (1970) de Malcolm Le Grice. Music: Brian Eno. Mutations (1973) by 
Lilian F. Schwartz. Music: Jean Claude Risset. Several films by Dore O. and 
Werner Nekes with sountracks by Anthony Moore like Diwan (1973) or Kaskara 
(1974). Riddles of the Sphinx (1977) by Laura Mulvey and Peter Wollen. Music: 
Mike Ratledge. Thanks in advance, Albert Alcoz -- http://visionaryfilm.net/
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Re: [Frameworks] Electronic Soundtracks for Avant-Garde Films

[Ingo Petzke]

Don’t forget the early (tape) work by Steve Reich as can be heard in “Oh dem 
watermelons” by Robert Nelson 1965 [though the by-far best of these early 
pieces “Come out to show them” unfortunately never made it into a film 
soundtrack]

Also, “Corridor” by Standish Lawder 1971 uses a slightly prolonged version of 
“Rainbow in Curved Air” by Riley.

“Binary Bit Patterns” 1969 by Michael Whitney uses what sounds like 
computer-generated music.

 

Ingo 

 

Von: FrameWorks [mailto:frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com] Im Auftrag von 
Elena Duque
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. Dezember 2017 13:03
An: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>
Betreff: Re: [Frameworks] Electronic Soundtracks for Avant-Garde Films

 

Hello!

 

The films by Lillian Schwartz have very nice electronic music soundtracks:

http://lillian.com/films/

 

Bruce Conner's Crossroads, with music by Terry Riley and Patrick Gleeson

 

Not sure if sound experiments like Lis Rhodes or Robert Russett count...

 

2017-12-21 12:38 GMT+01:00 Albert Alcoz <albertal...@gmail.com 
<mailto:albertal...@gmail.com> >:

Hello all,

 

After asking about jazz

​ and​

​ music an experimental film

​, ​

and feeling grateful for all the answers​, I was wondering about the 
connections between early electronic music and avant-garde film.

​ ​

Recently I watched OFFON (1967-72) by Scott Bartlett with a “sound composition” 
by Manny Meyer.

 

Again, there should be plenty of avant-garde films where the soundtrack is 
instrumental electronic music or experimental 

​abstract ​

sound created with magnetic tape recorders, synthesizers, electronic tools, 
etc. 

 

Maybe one question would be to define what is considered to be early electronic 
music but anyway, lets try it.

 

Does anyone remember some other avant-garde films with 

​early ​

electronic music

​ from the 50's, 60's, 70's even 80's​

? 

 

Right now here’s the first list:

 

Cybernetik 5.3 (1968) by John Stehura. Music: Tod Dockstader.

 

Crystals (1968) by Herbert Loebel. Music: Michael Lloyd.

 

Rohfilm (1968) by Birgit & Wilhelm Hein. Music: Christian Michaelis.

 

Two Images for a Computer Piece (1969) by Lloyd Williams. Music: Vladimir 
Ussachevsky.

 

Variations on a Cellophane Wrapper (1970) by David Rimmer. Music: Don Druick.

 

Berlin Horse (1970) de Malcolm Le Grice. Music: Brian Eno.

 

Mutations (1973) by Lilian F. Schwartz. Music: Jean Claude Risset.

 

Several films by Dore O. and Werner Nekes with sountracks by Anthony Moore like 
Diwan (1973) or Kaskara (1974).

 

Riddles of the Sphinx (1977) by Laura Mulvey and Peter Wollen. Music: Mike 
Ratledge.

 

Thanks in advance,

 

Albert Alcoz

 

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Re: [Frameworks] Electronic Soundtracks for Avant-Garde Films

[Stephen Broomer]

Albert,

I believe Ian Hugo's films had electronic soundtracks that predate many of the 
examples discussed here. Louis and Bebe Barron (who, with Forbidden Planet, 
gave commercial cinema its first electronic score) composed the sound for Bells 
of Atlantis (1953) but many of his later films (ex. Levitation) had electronic 
scores by David Horowitz.

Stephen




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On Dec 21, 2017, at 7:04 AM, Elena Duque 
> wrote:

Hello!

The films by Lillian Schwartz have very nice electronic music soundtracks:
http://lillian.com/films/

Bruce Conner's Crossroads, with music by Terry Riley and Patrick Gleeson

Not sure if sound experiments like Lis Rhodes or Robert Russett count...

2017-12-21 12:38 GMT+01:00 Albert Alcoz 
>:
Hello all,

After asking about jazz
​ and​
​ music an experimental film
​, ​
and feeling grateful for all the answers​, I was wondering about the 
connections between early electronic music and avant-garde film.
​ ​
Recently I watched OFFON (1967-72) by Scott Bartlett with a “sound composition” 
by Manny Meyer.

Again, there should be plenty of avant-garde films where the soundtrack is 
instrumental electronic music or experimental
​abstract ​
sound created with magnetic tape recorders, synthesizers, electronic tools, etc.

Maybe one question would be to define what is considered to be early electronic 
music but anyway, lets try it.

Does anyone remember some other avant-garde films with
​early ​
electronic music
​ from the 50's, 60's, 70's even 80's​
?

Right now here’s the first list:

Cybernetik 5.3 (1968) by John Stehura. Music: Tod Dockstader.

Crystals (1968) by Herbert Loebel. Music: Michael Lloyd.

Rohfilm (1968) by Birgit & Wilhelm Hein. Music: Christian Michaelis.

Two Images for a Computer Piece (1969) by Lloyd Williams. Music: Vladimir 
Ussachevsky.

Variations on a Cellophane Wrapper (1970) by David Rimmer. Music: Don Druick.

Berlin Horse (1970) de Malcolm Le Grice. Music: Brian Eno.

Mutations (1973) by Lilian F. Schwartz. Music: Jean Claude Risset.

Several films by Dore O. and Werner Nekes with sountracks by Anthony Moore like 
Diwan (1973) or Kaskara (1974).

Riddles of the Sphinx (1977) by Laura Mulvey and Peter Wollen. Music: Mike 
Ratledge.

Thanks in advance,

Albert Alcoz

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Re: [Frameworks] Electronic Soundtracks for Avant-Garde Films

[Elena Duque]

Hello!

The films by Lillian Schwartz have very nice electronic music soundtracks:
http://lillian.com/films/

Bruce Conner's Crossroads, with music by Terry Riley and Patrick Gleeson

Not sure if sound experiments like Lis Rhodes or Robert Russett count...

2017-12-21 12:38 GMT+01:00 Albert Alcoz :

> Hello all,
>
>
>
> After asking about jazz
> ​ and​
> ​ music an experimental film
> ​, ​
> and feeling grateful for all the answers​, I was wondering about the
> connections between early electronic music and avant-garde film.
> ​ ​
> Recently I watched *OFFON* (1967-72) by Scott Bartlett with a “sound
> composition” by Manny Meyer.
>
>
> Again, there should be plenty of avant-garde films where the soundtrack
> is instrumental electronic music or experimental
> ​abstract ​
> sound created with magnetic tape recorders, synthesizers, electronic
> tools, etc.
>
>
>
> Maybe one question would be to define what is considered to be early
> electronic music but anyway, lets try it.
>
>
>
> Does anyone remember some other avant-garde films with
> ​early ​
> electronic music
> ​ from the 50's, 60's, 70's even 80's​
> ?
>
>
>
> Right now here’s the first list:
>
>
>
> *Cybernetik 5.3* (1968) by John Stehura. Music: Tod Dockstader.
>
>
>
> *Crystals* (1968) by Herbert Loebel. Music: Michael Lloyd.
>
>
>
> *Rohfilm *(1968) by Birgit & Wilhelm Hein. Music: Christian Michaelis.
>
>
>
> *Two Images for a Computer Piece *(1969) by Lloyd Williams. Music:
> Vladimir Ussachevsky.
>
>
>
> *Variations on a Cellophane Wrapper* (1970) by David Rimmer. Music: Don
> Druick.
>
>
>
> *Berlin Horse* (1970) de Malcolm Le Grice. Music: Brian Eno.
>
>
>
> *Mutations* (1973) by Lilian F. Schwartz. Music: Jean Claude Risset.
>
>
>
> Several films by Dore O. and Werner Nekes with sountracks by Anthony Moore
> like *Diwan *(1973) or* Kaskara* (1974).
>
>
>
> *Riddles of the Sphinx* (1977) by Laura Mulvey and Peter Wollen. Music:
> Mike Ratledge.
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
>
>
> Albert Alcoz
>
>
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> http://albertalcoz.com/ 
>
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[Frameworks] Electronic Soundtracks for Avant-Garde Films

[Albert Alcoz]

Hello all,



After asking about jazz
​ and​
​ music an experimental film
​, ​
and feeling grateful for all the answers​, I was wondering about the
connections between early electronic music and avant-garde film.
​ ​
Recently I watched *OFFON* (1967-72) by Scott Bartlett with a “sound
composition” by Manny Meyer.


Again, there should be plenty of avant-garde films where the soundtrack is
instrumental electronic music or experimental
​abstract ​
sound created with magnetic tape recorders, synthesizers, electronic tools,
etc.



Maybe one question would be to define what is considered to be early
electronic music but anyway, lets try it.



Does anyone remember some other avant-garde films with
​early ​
electronic music
​ from the 50's, 60's, 70's even 80's​
?



Right now here’s the first list:



*Cybernetik 5.3* (1968) by John Stehura. Music: Tod Dockstader.



*Crystals* (1968) by Herbert Loebel. Music: Michael Lloyd.



*Rohfilm *(1968) by Birgit & Wilhelm Hein. Music: Christian Michaelis.



*Two Images for a Computer Piece *(1969) by Lloyd Williams. Music: Vladimir
Ussachevsky.



*Variations on a Cellophane Wrapper* (1970) by David Rimmer. Music: Don
Druick.



*Berlin Horse* (1970) de Malcolm Le Grice. Music: Brian Eno.



*Mutations* (1973) by Lilian F. Schwartz. Music: Jean Claude Risset.



Several films by Dore O. and Werner Nekes with sountracks by Anthony Moore
like *Diwan *(1973) or* Kaskara* (1974).



*Riddles of the Sphinx* (1977) by Laura Mulvey and Peter Wollen. Music:
Mike Ratledge.



Thanks in advance,



Albert Alcoz


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