Re: [Frameworks] Kodak Film Stocks to be Discontinued, Announced in December
Well, if 3378 goes away, there is always the Agfa ST-8 replacement. But I can see 3378 disappearing as projection prints become less and less in demand, and I can see an age where electroprinting returns. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Kodak Film Stocks to be Discontinued, Announced in December
We're pretty much lost the ability to make magstriped prints. We have a long way to go before we lose the ability to make conventional optical prints, although if all four available sound recording films go away the quality of using another lab intermediate film in the sound camera will be a bit poorer. As long as we can make prints, somebody will be able to electroprint one-off tracks. These sound pretty dreadful, but they were very popular in the seventies when only a couple prints would be struck on a 16mm production. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] processing 16mm colour negative
If you have a reddish cast, try just re-running the film through the blix and stabilizer again. If you use split bleach and fixer, you can adjust the times independently to leave controlled amounts of silver behind while still completely fixing the image. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Projecting for Installation so that people don't walk in front
It's possible to use a perspective-control lens so that you can project from an extreme angle downward, but there is a lot of light loss in the process. But to my mind, this seems like a good application for a huge flatpanel monitor array rather than projection. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Bolex EL Power question
What does the charge meter do when you turn the camera on? Don't worry about what it does when the camera isn't rolling, worry about what it does when the motor is on. If you have left that AGM battery on the shelf for a year or two without keeping it charged, it will be time to replace it. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Bolex EL Power question
> The only kind of battery that comes as one big singular thing is Sealed Lead > Aci > d, essentially a miniu-version of a car battery. Yes. All of the Bescor belts I have seen were either AGM lead-acid batteries or gel-cell lead-acid batteries. They are heavy, but cheap and very difficult to damage. However, they charge in a very different way than NiCds and NiMH batteries, you will want to replace them with newer lead-acid types which won't cost much. As far as replacing NiCd types with NiMH types, you can do this if you are only trickle charging, but the high-rate NiCd chargers will rapidly destroy the NiMH batteries. The NiMH batteries are a lot higher capacity and have higher peak current too, but they are also less rugged than the NiCd types. If you put NiMH cells into the battery pack of a CP-16 for instance, the rather crude Cinema Products charger will wreck them pretty quickly. On the other hand, they'll be fine in a Scoopic with the slow charger. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] 35mm workprint from super 16?
Why do this? I don't think anyone is set up anymore to do direct blow ups from 16mm originals to 35mm prints, timed or untimed. So you are probably going to be paying for two intermediates, one print, and a setup fee for the optical printer (unless they do so many blowups that they have one just sitting around already set up, which is unlikely today). BUT... if you get a straight untimed workprint, a lot of labs are able to open up the gate so that they can expose the sound track area and give you a genuine super-16 print. You can project this on various 16mm projectors with interchangeable aperture plates (like the Kinotons) or on a modified 16mm classroom projector with the gate filed out. The modification is not a difficult one. If you absolutely have to have a blowup, a lot of labs would probably be willing to do it untimed for a little bit less money, but the timing cost is really not a substantial part of the blowup cost any more. Who were the guys who used to advertise in American Cinematographer with the full page ad saying "Blow Up Your Mother!" years ago? They used to do direct blow-ups back then... --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] If you want Kodak hicon, order it now
For photograms you might try 7366, which is fine with an LED red safelight and will develop in Dektol. You could also try 7302, which will be still less sensitive. However, 7302 will be long pitch so it will not print as well or sharply as a short pitch intermediate film. Neither one of these will be as contrasty, which you may or may not like. If you absolutely have to have the contrast, a sound recording stock will be better (and those are short pitch but they are also all estar-based today). --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] If you want Kodak hicon, order it now
ST-8 is very close to Kodak's 2378, it's pretty fast, polyester, short pitch. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] 35mm internegative
If you're doing a B&W interneg, there will be some degradation but it will be okay. If you're doing a color interneg, there will be a lot of degradation. What Bob _can_ do is make you an interneg on sound recording stock and an interneg on color stock, and print the image from one and the sound from the other. There will be sound degradation but it won't be as great as any other alternatives. But, it will cost more. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] FILM Ferrania Kickstarter: potential new color reversal film stock
The thing is, Ferrania currently makes some acceptable quality C-41 still films. They are more grainy and less saturated than the similar Kodak consumer film equivalents, but they are entirely acceptable. If that film were to be slit down and perforated with cine-grade accuracy (rather than the more sloppy perforation and slitting that are acceptable for still film), I think it would have a small but dedicated market as it is. It would be fine in a lot of cameras. I'm surprised that they are going for the reversal market but I think their push is probably to get a still reversal film out there and while they have the line running anyway to slit some motion picture film out of the deal. The question is basically how small a line they have and how small a quantity can they make in a run vs. how large a quantity can they sell. The fact that they're selling the same stock into both still and motion picture markets means they can sell more of one stock and concentrate on getting that right. I'm a little surprised though that, if they can slit motion picture film, that they don't just take their existing C-41 stock and sell some of that as a motion picture stock. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] FILM Ferrania Kickstarter: potential new color reversal film stock
Jeff Kreines says: > On Oct 4, 2014, at 10:12 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote: > > > I'm a little surprised though that, if they can slit motion picture = > film, > > that they don't just take their existing C-41 stock and sell some of = > that > > as a motion picture stock. > > What about rem-jet backing? Will it run smoothly through a cine camera = > and not get kickback from shiny pressure plates without it? Works great on an Arri II although you may have to fiddle with the spring a little. On some of the modern cameras with totally chromed pressure plates, you will have to replace the plate or you will get ghosting. Same problems that you get running B&W films on those cameras. Incidentally the Ferrania and Fuji consumer color print films will run just fine through an Eyemo or Konvas in spite of the KS perfs, no remjet backing, and thicker base. It'll run through your lab's ECN-II machine and although the color rendition may be a little off, it looks respectable. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] FILM Ferrania Kickstarter: potential new color reversal film stock
> There is no C-41 Ferrania stocks being manufactured, hasn't been for some > years. Ferrania closed their film factory 2006. Wow! I had no idea. I'm still seeing Ferrania films coming out of the pipeline but they're probably just the dregs of old production. For a while, Ferrania were the kings of "house brand" C-41 film and every supermarket and drugstore brand print film said "Made in Italy" in tiny letters. > This Ferrania is a new company. They are starting everything "from scratch" > (they do have the recipes, but those have to be modified to replace some > chemicals that aren't available anymore due to environmental regulations). Making film is a difficult process; even if you know what went into the original making a replica in a consistent fashion is difficult. Kodak had an army of engineers and when they moved production of their cinefluorography films from France to the US it took them a year before they could get the consistency right. And that's a simple, single-coating B&W film. > When starting from scratch E-6 is a better choice than C-41 because there is > only one company producing E-6 films left (Fuji) and that same stock can be > sold for both still and motion picture use. Granted, although with C-41 there are only two companies making it. > There is also a working existing infrastructure to process those films > already in place. For C-41 the problem would be that motion picture film > could only be home processed. No, C-41 stocks will work okay in ECN-II chemistry. The curves are a little funny, but here is an example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkHYwjVCscY This isn't a very good quality transfer, but this was Kodak 400ASA consumer film in a Eyemo. Edited workprint scanned on a Marconi machine. Yeah, I should have brought a tripod... --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] 16mm black leader status
Kodak still has leader although the minimum is very high and some types have disappeared. Urbanski's leader may be short perf I would ask and make sure it is camera perf and not print perf before buying it. cutfilm.com definitely has the proper leader. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Zoom lens and camera used for "Wavelength"
In the early seventies, the 12-120 was the lens to have, and all of the TV guys were desperate for the things because they had such a huge range of focal lengths. They were ubiquitous for a good while, but they really weren't very sharp. Angenieux made hundreds of different lenses back then... and some of them were better than others but if someone said "french zoom" your first thought was probably that 12-120. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Kodak NYC office closing
>> if Kodak created quick self developing film and a camera that digitized that >> developed film while still within the camera, things would be different. The Germans did that in the 1940s. Well, it wasn't digitized, it was scanned on a little flying spot scanner in there after monobath processing. Same technology got used for the Lunar Orbiters twenty years later since they were 280,000 miles away from the nearest lab and needed to get high resolution images back --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Deep Listening Experimental Film--bringing Deep Listening to the Office!
Okay... someone has to explain the concept of deep listening to me. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] lighting equipment rental in Washington D.C.
Washington Source in Hyattsville. They are good people, mostly catering toward large productions, but they will haggle. DC Camera has some small lighting gear... not a lot but they are more apt to be used to dealing with small jobs and they won't try to rent you a Brute because they have a lot of them on hand. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] reliable S-8mm laboratry in Europe?
I would send the film BACK to the and ask them to run it through remjet removal again at least --scott If it gets stuck in the emulsion you might be out of luck though. ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] lab for painted film
Try Colorlab first off! They are very good about weird originals, although not cheap. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] 100ft daylight spools for Eyemo Camera
I believe Acrometals can still make you new daylight spools but when I talked to them, they had a minimum order of several thousand. Labs seldom give them up when they arrive they are in some demand. Precision Microproducts will sell you a plastic solid flange reel. http://www.p-m-a.com/supplies/supply%20index.html and I believe these will work in the Arri cameras although I have not tried one in the Eyemos. They will require loading the camera in the darkroom, though. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Xenon projection
If a film has been timed for xenon or arc projection, it will look a little bit yellow when shown on an incandescent classroom projector, but the eye will adjust in a minute or two. You could put a filter on, but you'd lose most of a stop of light, and you would lose some sharpness, and in the end the eye would adjust in a minute or two anyway. If you're worried about it, dim the room lighting or use orange house lights before showing, so that people's eyes are already adapted to very warm light, and then when the film comes up it will seem artificially blue at first, even. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Uhler and Superior Bulk cine printers
The Superior was actually made by someone else and resold by Superior Bulk film in Chicago, along with a lot of other film handling devices. They were cheap, and every TV newsroom bought one to make dirty dupes of news footage to send to the networks, make dupes of public domain movies, etc. The stability and sharpness is... not exactly good, but good enough to show on TV, and they were very cheap. The tension control is kind of poor and limited so the degree of printer slip changes from the beginning and end of the reel. Some other companies made similar ones Testrite Instruments made the one that we had at Master Sound for making dupes of workprints. I don't know about the Uhler... ---scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] 16mm optical soundtrack
Gibbs Chapman in San Francisco is a little weird but actually does very good sounding tracks. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Buying Scopitones
Put an ad in Classic Images magazine, or ask on 16mmfilmtalk.com. There are a lot of people out there who have collected Scopitones and you may find someone willing to loan you sets. Note that there are various different sound formats for them. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Printing color negative film to Orwo PF2
> I tried Agfa ST8, and Orwo PF2. > >I did some test, with ST8, i put cyan filter kodak cc10c, and ND5. >The results was good. The cyan filter will really do nothing at all. ST8 is orthochromatic, so it's already biased strongly toward the blue. The problem with printing color materials to an ortho print stock (aside from the weird color rendition that you get in the print) is that the yellow mask on the negative means you have to increase the exposure a lot. If you look at the datasheet for ST8, it has a .5 density for 0 log exposure, a density of 3 for 1 log exposure. So you're wanting to keep exposure within that range. > Then i applied to PF2, the same negative, same filters. > The result for PF2 print was totally clear. Nothing exposed. If you look at the datasheet for PF2, to get a .5 density you need a 2 log exposure, and to get a density of 3 you need a 3 log exposure. So you need to expose the film about 100 times more strongly than you do ST8. >Is there any way to print color negative film on Orwo PF2 stocks? Run the printer 100 times slower or open the iris 7 stops. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Nagra service
Try Dan Dugan, he does good work and still has a good parts inventory for those machines. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] optical printer questions
Sure, you could use CC filters on the light source. Ask your local camera store for a CC filter kit like people with B&W enlargers used to use for printing still color work. But you could also just let it go blue, and correct it in the final print when you print the interneg. You won't have as much range, but if you are starting with a blue positive original you probably don't have much color range in the original anyway. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] optical printer questions
Agreed, a test is never a bad idea. Also, put the filter over your eye and look at the positive print see how many CC of cyan or cyan+magenta it takes to get the color to look right. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Holy Shit!
Hey, this gag was already used by Woody Allen in _Take the Money and Run_. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] projector belts
I believe the belts on those projectors are just big O-rings. Grainger will probably have them in stock. Also, if they break, the show can be maintained by gluing them together with cyanoacrylate superglue. Usually if they are brittle enough to break in one place, though, they are soon to break in another. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] 35mm / 16mm hot splicer question
Cardinal in Baltimore has some spare parts for M-H splicers in their copious back room. However, I don't think it would be impossible to make your own pins out of brass stock. They don't have to be super hard, and the profile does not have to be perfect as long as it is consistent, I don't think. ---scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Any ideas for 16mm film can storage that's not just piles around the house?
There are commercial steel racks from Neumade that are very nice and often show up cheaply now that movie theatres are abandoning film. You could make your own rack with 1" black iron pipe and pipe fittings. Paint it with automotive lacquer and it will look nice. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] VS motor for Arriflex S camera
I have a box marked "Arri No. 1161 motor, marked "8V governor speed controlled motor 24 fps" but the motor inside is stamped 7550 and appears to have a variable resistor marked from 1 to 8. Does it work? I have no idea. Is it for the S? I don't know, I'm not even sure it's not for a 35mm Arri. Make an offer. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Formula for processing 7240 reversal as vhf or e6?
I would suggest that, since running E-6 process of VNF film provides reasonable (if muted) color, and reduced contrast, that merely increasing the contrast would probably make you happy. If I were looking to do this in a small batch environment, I'd first try just increasing the first developer time, say by 50%, to move the gamma up somewhat. If that were not sufficient I might consider doubling the first developer time, but if that did not bring the gamma up where you want it, I would consider a more active first developer. I would be inclined to leave all the rest of the E-6 chemistry alone. Now... all that said, I just had Yale run some 7239 for me through the conventional E-6 bath and while the contrast was quite reduced compared with VNF processing, the effect was quite nice and was appropriate for the work. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Super 8 to 35mm blowup?
I think Colorlab can do it, but I suspect you'll pay a big setup charge for the optical printer since it's not something they do every day. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] CineSpace NASA remix competition
I think this is a very fine idea. However, I cannot imagine how anyone could ever do a better job than the fine pornographic film "Star Babe," which aside from sex scenes consists entirely of NASA stock Skylab footage. With such a high bar to reach and such fine existing work, I am reluctant to even try to enter such a competition. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] bolex/camera repair training
All of the camera repair guys I know either started with the National Camera course, a US military camera repair course, an apprenticeship with Marty Forscher, or else they transitioned from watch repair... --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] 35mm Black and White Print - Dolby Sound
So do you like the Cinevator transfers better than the Arri ones? Because DIs were so popular in the latter age of film, a lot of labs are set up to do filmouts. Unfortunately not all of them do a great job, and if you want a filmout done to a B&W interneg instead of a color interneg that may fade, it becomes that much more difficult. But ask the lab for a sample, and watch the sample for clean highlights that don't blow out and good shadow detail. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] analogue photo lab (ilfochrome)
I don't know of anyone that has been able to do Ciba for years, but there are a bunch of labs that can do an interneg and then a type C print. All of the Type R materialas are gone, both Ciba and Fuji. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] analogue photo lab (ilfochrome)
You know what, I take that back! There are some folks who are still making dye transfer prints. Very expensive, but more stable and with a better color gamut than Ciba. CVI Labs in NY might still exist. dyetransfer.de seems to be gone now. www.dyetransfer.org has some directions on doing it yourself. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Aaton A-Minima to buy
> this camera is allmost simular. Sadly, nothing is similar to the A-Minima. It is a unique snowflake. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] G3 B&W Neg and Reversal processing
I also am not a fan of the G3. If you use a dilute developer with a long developing time they are more consistent but then again you scratch your film up more in the process. You can have it one way or the other... --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Seeking 16mm Hi-Con film stock
It was discontinued some time ago but if you can survive with estar base, try the sound recording film instead. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Seeking 16mm Hi-Con film stock
If you are doing rayograms you might consider 7366 which is a good bit slower than either stock, I think. Lower contrast but that is fine considering the wide contrast range being applied to the film. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] black mask on colour print film
Optical? Why not do this with a contact printer, just stick a piece of card in the gate and fog one half of the film. How sharp a line do you need? --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Timelapse and camera shutter/mirror jam
Hmm... the thing is, it really doesn't matter if the mirror moves or not since you don't actually use the finder at all anyway. If you could disable that motor and just leave the mirror retracted at all times you'd prevent wearing the mechanism out too. I don't know if that's possible or not but surely someone would know. Where is Marty Forscher when you need him? --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] black mask on colour print film
Matte box on the camera shooting the original material??? --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Experimental works about presidential election cycles?
Primary, by Robert Drew? It's not experimental by modern standards but in many ways it was unique and innovative when it came out, both technically and in production methods. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Does anyone know how to adjust volume or gain within Adobe Media Encoder?
Whatever happened to sending it back? "This is clipped and overcompressed, not broadcast-ready." --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] AC lock projector
Why do you need it to lock to the AC line precisely? If you link the inching knobs together with bicycle chains, you can mechanically synchronize any number of projectors, just be careful starting them and don't get your fingers caught. Used to be very common for 3D showings. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] AC lock projector
Some of the eikis will more or less synchronize. The 5-series B&H projectors will, but the 3-series ones won't at all. The Pageants are pretty close to synchronous. But of course this all depends on your starting them precisely together as well as them staying locked to line. I'd just chain the inching knobs to make sure. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] seeking hi-con, hand-processible B&W 16mm & 35mm stock
7302 isn't as high contrast as 7363, but it's nice and low-speed, you can use a safelight, and it will process well in dektol. It's like photographic paper: the development basically stops after a certain point so there is a wide range of acceptable times. Gamma will run you around 1.4 I think. If you don't like the thick polyester base of 7302 (and if you are projecting your original you probably will like it), consider 7366. It's a good bit more expensive, though, but it's acetate. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] seeking hi-con, hand-processible B&W 16mm & 35mm stock
3378 is a whole lot faster, and although it's more touchy about processing than the print stock, it's still easy to hand-process and it's even contrastier than 7363! I could see the speed making photograms harder, but on the other hand you can use the same stock in camera! --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] countryside film
Well... there is always Frankenstein... and all of the various adaptations of it... --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Digital file to VHS?
Why would I need a scan converter if the scan rate is not changing? --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
[Frameworks] Someone giving away an upright Moviola in the DC area!
http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/mld/zip/5130291216.html I know nothing more than what is in the ad. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] processing 16mm Tri X as negative in a bucket like a savage
Dektol is a very, very fast-working developer and very grainy. It is intended for paper and print materials, not for film. It may be possible to use very diluted dektol but you will have to do some testing on short lengths, and the results will tend to be inconsistent because of the short times. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] processing 16mm Tri X as negative in a bucket like a savage
Yes, ST8 will run nicely in dektol, it is intended to run in print chemistry. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] 16fps 16mm projectors?
The B&H filmosound in a box projectors (the 300 series) have universal motors with mechanical governors, which can be adjusted for a variety of speeds. If set according to the manual the silent speed is 16 fps, but if no maintenance has been done it could be anything. They are truly among the best projectors made, aside from the narrow barrel which severely limits your lens selection. That said, I doubt the difference between 16 and 18 fps would be that dramatic on screen. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] 16mm film Guillotine Splicer
Cardinal Sound and Motion Picture in Elkridge, MD has parts for the Catozzi splicers on the shelf and can work on them. You can sharpen the blade yourself with a stone if you want, though. It will stay lined up when put back into position. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Elmo/Hokushin service recommendations?
Cardinal Sound and Motion Picture, Elkridge, MD. Denevi Digital, Dublin CA. I know Cardinal knows the xenon lamp Elmos very well, and Denevi knows the ST-180 and Transvideo machines very well. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
[Frameworks] Auricon for sale
So... a local surplus dealer has an Auricon Cine-Voice. This is one of the 100 foot cameras with optical sound galvos, and it is pretty much completely original. It has not been retrofitted for mag heads, and it has not had the top chopped off to put on a 400 foot magazine. To my mind these make it less desirable but some collector somewhere might prefer it. It is in a kit with an RA-30 optical amplifier and all cables (although the cables are old and should probably be rebuilt), and most importantly two spare lamps which is a big deal since they aren't available. The finder is missing but a replacement can probably be located. The body is painted "WNOW-TV CHANNEL 49". The lens on it is a 1" Cooke Filmo lens, which is actually a beautiful, beautiful lens and certainly the most interesting part of the kit to my mind. The dealer wants $2k for the whole kit, which I think is ludicrous, but I think he is just fishing at that price and that he'll be willing to take something a lot more reasonable. Oh, and I didn't apply power to the thing to check the motor although I did turn the movement by hand. If you get this, don't run the motor until you lube the movement or you are likely to tear up the cam which is probably dry by now. here is the thing: http://albederpccenter.com/product/auricon-cine-voice-16mm-sound-on-film-camera-cm-72/ If you talk to them tell them that I sent you. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Auricon for sale
$400 is about fair. I'd offer this guy a little more because of that Cooke lens, but not a whole lot. There are a _lot_ of chop-top options... everybody and his brother was doing a modified top for a magazine. Some are better-made than others. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] removing Rex-O-Fader from a Bolex H16
Put a drop of kroil or some other penetrating oil on the cog. Maybe heat it up a little with a soldering iron. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] removing Rex-O-Fader from a Bolex H16
WD-40 is not penetrating oil! Use a real penetrating oil! The service guys won't charge much. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Articles/essays on the history of flatbed editors (Moviola, Steenbeck, etc)?
The Pageant Analyst was by no means the first analysis projector. The use of 16mm for motion analysis came about during WWII with the introduction of gunsight cameras and there were a number of projectors like the hand-cranked Devry and the Speco which were intended for screening gunsight films one frame at a time (and which were all very rough on film). After the war, the use of high speed photography of machinery and of stop frame photography for analysis of slower processes like traffic and assembly line work brought about the Analyst. But... these machines were not intended for editing work. They were very different in application than the flatbed. While flatbed and upright editing machines did get used for analysis work, that wasn't their original intent. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] NEW DIRECTOR NEEDED for Millennium Film Workshop
> ''I was warned. I've heard from many sources, i.e. young experimental > filmmakers, that this listserv was a space of negativity, where people were > shamed and attacked over the most innocuous things.'' The internet is like that. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] 400' mag and cable release in NYC?
What kind of 400 ft. mag? Just about everything made has been retrofitted onto Bolexes over the years. Last time I looked, Olden Camera had a cabinet full of old Mitchell magazines that they were practically giving away. So if you have a Mitchell saddle from JK Engineering, I'd go to Olden and buy a couple Mitchell mags. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] High-definition frame grabs
You don't get high definition images from DVDs. You get 640x480 because that's what there is. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Shooting Super 16 but composing for regular
What kind of camera is it? Does the rental house have a 16mm reticle for it? --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Shooting Super 16 but composing for regular
If you have your choice of cameras use a camera with replaceable finders, and use the 16mm finder with the super-16mm gate. There is already a plague of cameras out there which have had the gates cut out without having the lens recentered or the finder changed, as part of a poorly improvised super-16 modification. You could use one of those as well, there are certainly plenty out there. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Arri SR Accessories?
Screw-in filters are fine what lenses do you have and what screw threads do they have? --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] 16mm projector bell&howell tq iii specialist
That projector could be a 1694, 1695, 1698, 2685, 2692, or 2698, but they all use the same body casting. If you pull the front cover off, you should be able to watch the autoshredding mechanism work and see that the loops are being properly formed. Make sure both sprockets are turning and that the notches on the sprockets are in the same positions. Make sure the gate is immaculately clean. The autoshredders are very touchy about leader... you will need a heavy leader with the front of it curved properly; follow the directions in the manual. And unlike the older 500-series autoshredders, you cannot convert them back to manual thread. Now... SOME Of these machines, I and I think they are just the 1694, have a wick oiling system for the cam on those machines you really should not turn one on without making sure the wick is saturated with light machine oil. If you are in the US, Optech in Boston does routine maintenance on these projectors and will keep them in good condition. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] 16mm projector bell&howell tq iii specialist
> When you load this projector and the film comes out the back, you > give it a slight tug before threading the take-up reel. If you're having to do this, it's time to lube the autoshredding linkages! The pull of the take-up reel should pop it out, but if it's not, it's time for a clean and lube! --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Double 8mm
Anyone who runs a 16mm machine can process the double-8 original and return double-8 film to you. SOME labs will have slitters to cut the double-8 original down to 8mm. Some slitters are more accurate than others. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] data recovery help
First, take the drive offline and don't do anything else with it. Secondly, call the telecine guys and see if they have a copy still left on their system. Thirdly, there are some tools for extracting undeleted files. PC or mac, and what kind of filesystem? --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Sound ? from an Eikie
Burns? Do you mean it clips? You could use a direct inject box from the music store if you have only a speaker output, but many of the eikis do have a proper line output and if yours does not it can be modified for one. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Projector/optical sound reader that's easy on film
I wouldn't put them on a projector... I would hunt down someone with a Steenbeck that is in proper maintenance. That might mean calling Dwight Cody who does steenback repair and asking who has a machine for rent. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Elmo Projector Belts
PRB/Russell Industries will have them but may not have them in the index. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Eyemo camera repair
Yes. Do not, absolutely, do not attempt to mess with the spring yourself. The big warnings in the manual are not joking. Replacement springs are available and the work is not hard for someone who has the tooling, but it _is_ hazardous even for people who are well-trained. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] 35 mm & 16 mm transfers
Negatives or prints? What format do you want them on? --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] 16mm prints turned pink
Yes. There is a warning on the box when you buy the film about color dyes changing in time and film not being warranted. Eastman prints both from reversal and negative tend to go red. LPP prints tend to go red much more slowly than SP prints. Fuji print stocks tend to go blue and get smoky blacks instead of going red. Agfa print stocks with Eastman chemistry go red, Agfa print stocks with ball and chain dye coupler chemistry are sometimes very stable and sometimes lose all color completely, depending on the pH of the wash water at the lab. Kodachrome prints are very very dark-stable but fade faster with light. Color film is not considered acceptable for archival storage. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] 16mm prints turned pink
I don't remember whether it had to be slightly acid or slightly basic, and it was _just_ a thing with the Agfa/Ansco chemistry which is very different (and can be a lot more stable than) the modern Eastman chemistry. I think there is a discussion of it in Mees' book, though. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Projector installation prep
The first thing I think about it... how long as it been since the movement was lubricated? --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Shower scenes...
I am surprised that of mainstream films nobdy has mentioned either Psycho or M*A*S*H. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] SCOOPIC 16 battery recalling (Spain/Europe)
Ask your local police department's radio shop who recells their walkie-talkie batteries and send them there. The job is very easy but requires a spotwelder to connect the cells, but any battery shop should be able to do it it. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Hello - Curious about Double X 7222 reversal
If you want to just process it as negative, follow the directions on the datasheet. It is designed for that and works very well. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Buying a VCR in 2016
I suggest sending it out to a transfer house that can do it right. The difference between cheap and good VCRs is pretty high, and if you buy an old thrift store VCR you're in for a lot of work replacing every rubber part on the transport. The question comes down to how good a job do you really want? --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Eiki SSL claw problem
Do adjust that screw... but FIRST make sure the cam lubrication is good. I have seen too many of these machines where the cam just wears out because people aren't careful about doing regular maintenance on them. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Kodak gelatin filter set
New ones are available from Edmund Optics. They are expensive because they are optically very clear. If you don't need them to be optically clear, just buy cheap lighting gels from Rosco for a tiny fraction of the price. If you need them to be optically clear, the Wratten ones from Kodak are cheaper than the glass alternatives. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Ferrania?
I think that's wise, in that you can sell the same reversal film in 16mm, 8mm, and for 35mm stills, without modification, and there will be basically no competition in the market for either of the three. I'm a little skeptical of trying to make so many different speeds at once, but think the world would welcome 64D and 400D slide and motion picture films. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Ferrania?
> 100 foot spools of 64d and 400d in 35mm for us eyemo users! Well, here is the cool thing... the eyemo will very happily run KS-perfed film. So you can take 100 footers of slide film and run them nicely though the Eyemo, then have them processed by Dwayne's. It's expensive, but looks great, and you still get a couple stocks left. The still film comes on little cores with square hubs that will fit right into the Eyemo but have to be loaded in the dark. Or, you can spool onto a #10 daylight reel. I shoot a lot under mixed daylight/tungsten lighting and I'd rather use a daylight stock gone warm than a tungsten stock gone cold. But I concede there is a demand for a tungsten stock. On the other hand, if the film is a stop faster you can add a filter. I still don't have a solution for Jeff's wanting to shoot in the dark. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Black Leader
Note that Urbanski's black leader is or was print pitch, not camera pitch. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Looking for Steenbeck 6000 16/35 timing belts
Those belts are made by Brecoflex. US reps can be found at http://www.brecoflex.com --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Black Leader
MPE is Kodak. I believe they have discontinued the long-perf black leader. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Black Leader
No, no, the MPE _material_ is from Kodak. (Well, it's from FPE which is owned by Kodak). Although for all I know they might have a new source. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] recording audio from a Pageant
That is a 0.206" plug. Switchcraft part S250. That said, you'll find that getting a tech to install a direct output from the phototube that bypasses the power amplifier will have better sound quality. But you could make a cable with a .206" plug on one and end a 1/4" phone on the other and plug the thing into a DI box. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] recording audio from a Pageant
> Alternatively, for the ground loop isolation, you can use the RCA isolation > cables they sell at car stereo shops. Those things have transformers inside them... not very good transformers, but transformers nonetheless. I'd use a decent DI box personally, if there was no way to bypass the power amp. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] S8mm Elmo sound play/record projector
Optech are good people and they know the Elmo machines. Denevi Digital in California also knows the Elmo machines very well. Cardinal Sound in Elkridge Maryland knows the larger Elmo systems, they might be kind of slow on getting a small 8mm projector turned around though. There used to be a freelance guy in New York called Abdul Setoua. I don't know if he is still in the business but I have seen his signature on a couple of machines in the past. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
