Re: help with AWk
On Sat, 2008-09-27 at 22:06 -0500, Len Conrad wrote:
The logic desired if
If IP has no PTR, print PTR_NUL, else print the PTR.
dig +short -x 1.2.3.4 | awk '{if ( $0 == ) {print PTR_NUL } else {print
$0 } }'
... works if PTR exist, but if no PTR, PTR_NUL doesn't print.
thanks
Len
dig +short -x 10.0.0.1 | awk '{print $0} END {if(NR==0) print PTR_NUL}'
PTR_NUL
dig +short -x 69.147.83.33 | awk '{print $0} END {if(NR==0) print PTR_NUL}'
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Re: monodevelop compile-time problem
On Sat, 27 Sep 2008 08:13:13 -0700 (PDT) mdh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howdy, When trying to compile monodevelop on FreeBSD 7-STABLE, I get the following errors: Making all in contrib Making all in Mono.Cecil Error expanding embedded variable. *** Error code 1 Stop in /u/root/bld/monodevelop-1.0/contrib. *** Error code 1 Stop in /u/root/bld/monodevelop-1.0. This is similar to an error when I tried to compile mono-addins, however installing mono-addins from ports worked. I'm using the latest mono/mono-addins/gtksourceview/gtk# from ports. Unfortunately, there's no monodevelop port. Has anyone successfully gotten monodevelop working? I looked for patches in the mono-addins port to see if it changed anything that might fix this error, but found none. Any help is, of course, much appreciated. Thanks, mdh ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] It seems that someone has created a monodevelop port, but it is not in the main ports tree. Have a look at http://www.mono-project.com/Mono:FreeBSD I haven't tried it myself though. Good luck! / Robert ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MPlayer is broken on 71-PRERELEASE?
Actually this problem went away with the update to the more recent version of 71-PRERELEASE. Thank you, Yuri mdh wrote: Maybe bump the shared memory sysctl's? I've never had a problem with mplayer, and I've got the following in my sysctl.conf: kern.ipc.shmmax=67108864 kern.ipc.shmall=32768 The xine install suggests this (which is why I have them set), and mplayer is a similar type of application, so it may help out there as well. - mdh --- On Sat, 9/27/08, Yuri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Yuri [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: MPlayer is broken on 71-PRERELEASE? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Saturday, September 27, 2008, 4:07 PM When I am trying to play a regular DVD video I am getting a messages: X11 error: BadShmSeg (invalid shared segment parameter)% 11.2% 9 0 Similar messages are printed hen I tried to play some other media files. Seems like something is broken in MPlayer on FreeBSD-71-PRERELEASE. Few months ago it used to work fine. FreeBSD xxx.xxx.xxx 7.1-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE #13: Sat Sep 13 22:42:11 PDT 2008 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 mplayer-0.99.11_6 Yuri ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hard disk bottle neck.
Hi guys, I have this problem for years but couldn't find a way to solve it. I have a file server handling large files from 1MByte to 1GByte. Server Info: FreeBSD 6.2 Apache 2.2.9 DELL PowerEdge 1850 2GB RAM (only 184MB is active) 6x300MB SCSI 10K RPM RAID5 Gigabit Ethernet Connection My server can output NO MORE than 60Mbps (read only). The bottle neck is the hard disk. If I use ONE connection to download file from my server, the speed can go up to about 400Mbps. If I let visitors download using multiple connections, the server cannot output more than 60Mbps. My service is similar to rapidshare/megaupload, I am wondering how they configure their servers? If I recall correctly, it doesn't cost much time to read the data from the disk but it does cost a lot of time to seek for the data. Correct me if I am wrong, if I increase the read buffer size, there would be less disk seek (disk access). Let's say the read buffer is 64K, if I increase it to 640K, the disk seek would reduce by 90%. Thus, more data can be read from the hard drive. What should I do now? Any suggestion is appreciated! Danny Do ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
SSH FreeBSD SSH command-line command
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Re: Hard disk bottle neck.
Server Info: FreeBSD 6.2 Apache 2.2.9 DELL PowerEdge 1850 2GB RAM (only 184MB is active) so what's up with other 1.8GB? 6x300MB SCSI 10K RPM RAID5 300MB disks at 10K? there was such? Gigabit Ethernet Connection My server can output NO MORE than 60Mbps (read only). you mean Mbps or MBps The bottle neck is the hard disk. If I use ONE connection to download file from my server, the speed can go up to about 400Mbps. If I let visitors download using multiple connections, the server cannot output more than 60Mbps. My service is similar to rapidshare/megaupload, I am wondering how they configure their servers? patch /usr/src/sys/sys/param.h #ifndef DFLTPHYS #define DFLTPHYS(1024 * 1024) /* default max raw I/O transfer size */ #endif #ifndef MAXPHYS #define MAXPHYS (1024 * 1024) /* max raw I/O transfer size */ #endif #ifndef MAXDUMPPGS ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
stop in usr/ports/www/firefox3
Hi peeps, I want to install firefox3 beside my working firefox2 port on my amd64 system running freebsd 6.3 but the installation fails here: ../../../../dist/lib/libxpcomglue_s.a(nsStringAPI.o)(.text+0x13b8): In function `nsACString::SetLength(unsigned int)': : undefined reference to `NS_CStringGetMutableData' ../../../../dist/lib/libxpcomglue_s.a(nsStringAPI.o)(.text+0x13ea): In function `nsACString::BeginWriting(char**, char**, unsigned int)': : undefined reference to `NS_CStringGetMutableData' ../../../../dist/lib/libxpcomglue_s.a(nsStringAPI.o)(.text+0x14f8): In function `nsACString::BeginWriting(unsigned int)': : undefined reference to `NS_CStringGetMutableData' ../../../../dist/lib/libxpcomglue_s.a(nsStringAPI.o)(.text+0x151d): In function `nsACString::EndWriting()': : undefined reference to `NS_CStringGetMutableData' ../../../../dist/lib/libxpcomglue_s.a(nsStringAPI.o)(.text+0x1aac): In function `nsDependentSubstring_external::nsDependentSubstring_external(nsAString const, unsigned int)': : undefined reference to `NS_StringContainerInit2' ../../../../dist/lib/libxpcomglue_s.a(nsStringAPI.o)(.text+0x1b14): In function `nsDependentSubstring_external::nsDependentSubstring_external(nsAString const, unsigned int, unsigned int)': : undefined reference to `NS_StringContainerInit2' ../../../../dist/lib/libxpcomglue_s.a(nsStringAPI.o)(.text+0x1b68): In function `nsDependentCSubstring_external::nsDependentCSubstring_external(nsACString const, unsigned int)': : undefined reference to `NS_CStringContainerInit2' ../../../../dist/lib/libxpcomglue_s.a(nsStringAPI.o)(.text+0x1bd0): In function `nsDependentCSubstring_external::nsDependentCSubstring_external(nsACString const, unsigned int, unsigned int)': : undefined reference to `NS_CStringContainerInit2' ../../../../dist/lib/libxpcomglue_s.a(nsStringAPI.o)(.text+0x1c73): In function `CompressWhitespace(nsAString)': : undefined reference to `NS_StringGetMutableData' ../../../../dist/lib/libxpcomglue_s.a(nsStringAPI.o)(.text+0x1e13): In function `ToLowerCase(nsACString const, nsACString)': : undefined reference to `NS_CStringGetMutableData' ../../../../dist/lib/libxpcomglue_s.a(nsStringAPI.o)(.text+0x1e93): In function `ToUpperCase(nsACString const, nsACString)': : undefined reference to `NS_CStringGetMutableData' ../../../../dist/lib/libxpcomglue_s.a(nsCRTGlue.o)(.text+0x14f): In function `NS_strndup(unsigned short const*, unsigned int)': : undefined reference to `NS_Alloc' ../../../../dist/lib/libxpcomglue_s.a(nsCRTGlue.o)(.text+0x1d1): In function `NS_strdup(char const*)': : undefined reference to `NS_Alloc' ../../../../dist/lib/libxpcomglue_s.a(nsMemory.o)(.text+0x1d): In function `nsMemory::Clone(void const*, unsigned long)': : undefined reference to `NS_Alloc' gmake[5]: *** [libimgicon.so] Error 1 gmake[5]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/www/firefox3/work/mozilla/modules/libpr0n/decoders/icon' gmake[4]: *** [tools] Error 2 gmake[4]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/www/firefox3/work/mozilla/modules/libpr0n/decoders' gmake[3]: *** [tools] Error 2 gmake[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/www/firefox3/work/mozilla/modules/libpr0n' gmake[2]: *** [tools_tier_gecko] Error 2 gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/www/firefox3/work/mozilla' gmake[1]: *** [tier_toolkit] Error 2 gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/www/firefox3/work/mozilla' gmake: *** [default] Error 2 *** Error code 2 Stop in /usr/ports/www/firefox3. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/www/firefox3. [EMAIL PROTECTED] /usr/ports/www/firefox3]# What is wrong here? uname -a: FreeBSD zouk.alice.nl 6.3-RELEASE-p1 FreeBSD 6.3-RELEASE-p1 #18: Thu Mar 20 21:01:24 CET 2008 root@:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/MYKERNEL amd64 Hope somebody can help. Brgds Dino ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The consequences of turning off sendmail
On Sat, 27 Sep 2008 22:20:40 -0400 Sahil Tandon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andrew Falanga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can turn off the Sendmail daemon so that it does not actually listen for incoming connections or act as an MTA in the conventional sense. But local utilities like cron can still invoke the /usr/sbin/sendmail command to send you notifications. http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2005-December/107610.html The default for sendmail is: sendmail_enable=NO sendmail_submit_enable=YES which has the sendmail daemon listening only on localhost. It's fully functional in all respects except that it can't be accessed from outside. You can use localhost:25 as an outgoing mail server if you wish. Turning-off the localhost daemon altogether and having /usr/sbin/sendmail deliver local mail directly is possible, but it's deprecated on security grounds as it needs to run setuid. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hard disk bottle neck.
Danny Do wrote: Hi guys, I have this problem for years but couldn't find a way to solve it. I have a file server handling large files from 1MByte to 1GByte. Server Info: FreeBSD 6.2 Apache 2.2.9 DELL PowerEdge 1850 2GB RAM (only 184MB is active) 6x300MB SCSI 10K RPM RAID5 Gigabit Ethernet Connection My server can output NO MORE than 60Mbps (read only). The bottle neck is the hard disk. If I use ONE connection to download file from my server, the speed can go up to about 400Mbps. If I let visitors download using multiple connections, the server cannot output more than 60Mbps. My service is similar to rapidshare/megaupload, I am wondering how they configure their servers? If I recall correctly, it doesn't cost much time to read the data from the disk but it does cost a lot of time to seek for the data. Correct me if I am wrong, if I increase the read buffer size, there would be less disk seek (disk access). Let's say the read buffer is 64K, if I increase it to 640K, the disk seek would reduce by 90%. Thus, more data can be read from the hard drive. What should I do now? Try some different webservers. Apache is great, but it is designed to be maximally flexible and capable of doing anything you can imagine rather than to be absolutely as fast as possible. There are some light-weight servers which have put work into optimizing delivery of static content -- usually spoken of in the context of serving images but any static files will be suitable material. Personally, I really like nginx for this. Lots of people go for lighttpd and there are a number of other alternatives in ports. Also, depending on exactly how much content you have to serve and whether certain items are very much more popular than others, a reverse proxy / memory cache (a.k.a http accelerator) may help. varnish is the obvious candidate here, but you'll have to experiment a bit to see what the optimal settings are and if it actually helps at all. If your website runs using a scripting language such as PHP, then another possibility is memcached -- although described as a cache for dynamically generated pages, it can cache just about anything, but you will need some sort of scripting language to interface to it from your web server. There are memcached APIs for all popular languages and probably a few you've never heard of... The various caching strategies basically work because they keep recently accessed files in RAM, avoiding an expensive round-trip to the HDD to retrieve the data (memory access takes nano- or micro- seconds: disk accesses take milliseconds). Of course, the OS itself also does exactly the same thing in a general way, and FreeBSD is already very good in this respect. Caching software however gives you more control over what gets cached and for how long, enabling you to tune this specific application for maximum performance. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: OpenGL things crash X in FB7-Stable, nVidia Card
On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 11:14:05PM +0100, Kemian Dang wrote: Daniel Bye wrote: On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 04:58:10PM +0100, Kemian Dang wrote: Hi all, I have a FreeBSD 7 Stable box with a nVidia 6150 Go Graphic Card. Everything was OK sometime before, but after a series updated on ports, ( I am not sure about the time, I have not use OpenGL stuff for long time) running a program with OpenGL will cause the X crashed. [ -- snip -- ] The last crash is when I choose a OpenGL screensaver. The ports is updated nearly daily, and I think this may happen after sometime after I updated the latest nVidia-driver. Any ideas about this problem? Try reinstalling the nVidia driver port. It installs its own GL libs, which may have been replaced by another port, depending on the order in which your ports were updated. Reinstalling should ensure you have the correct libs in the correct place... Dan Thanks for reply Daniel. I have re-installed the nvidia-driver and tested OpenGL - Crash again. So it seems not the case... Rats! Sorry that didn't help. One other thing occurs to me - you mentioned you updated some ports. Have you also updated your system source tree without doing a full buildworld cycle? If so, chances are that your nVidia driver is built against a different version of the kernel source than the running kernel. Although any differences will be minimal, there is a chance that something changed enough to upset the driver. Failing that, all I can suggest is that you keep an eye on your console and see if the driver emits any messages just before it chokes. Good luck! Dan -- Daniel Bye _ ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) - against HTML, vCards and X - proprietary attachments in e-mail / \ pgpvBaj88bPVt.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Kernel messages
On Sunday 28 September 2008 07:37:31 Sasa Stupar wrote: Runing FBSD 7 amd64. I have noticed in my cron security output: +rtfree: 0xff0001424c30 has 1 refs There are sometimes only a few lines, but sometimes there are 100 lines or more (all exactly the same). I didn't find anything on the net (google) so I am asking here. Really? http://www.google.com/bsd?num=30hl=ensafe=offq=rtfree In short it's a driver bug, a driver doesn't use proper macros to manage routing tables and the refcount goes bad. Report the error on -net and/or do a send-pr with netstat -r output. -- Mel Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules and never get to the software part. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hard disk bottle neck.
Danny Do [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, I have this problem for years but couldn't find a way to solve it. I have a file server handling large files from 1MByte to 1GByte. Server Info: FreeBSD 6.2 Apache 2.2.9 DELL PowerEdge 1850 2GB RAM (only 184MB is active) 6x300MB SCSI 10K RPM RAID5 Gigabit Ethernet Connection My server can output NO MORE than 60Mbps (read only). The bottle neck is the hard disk. What evidence do you have that the bottleneck is disk IO? I've seen no evidence, only speculation. In addition to the advice of others, you may be able to just beef up the RAM. 2G isn't much these days. If you've got 200M active, you've got about 1.8G available to cache files. If you have repeated access of the same file, the OS can cache that file data and not even use the disk, but it can only do that if it has enough RAM to work with. You need to get your facts straight, though. According to the specs you've got above, you've only got 1.5G of disk. I expect you meant 300G disks. You could also add disks in a RAID 10, which is generally faster than RAID 5, or move to 15,000 RPM disks. I think you might be surprised how much adding some RAM will help, though, unless your access patterns are very random, RAM should speed up the access of popular data significantly. -- Bill Moran http://www.potentialtech.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hard disk bottle neck.
First be shure your bottleneck are the hard drives. On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 8:54 AM, Bill Moran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Danny Do [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, I have this problem for years but couldn't find a way to solve it. I have a file server handling large files from 1MByte to 1GByte. Server Info: FreeBSD 6.2 Apache 2.2.9 DELL PowerEdge 1850 2GB RAM (only 184MB is active) 6x300MB SCSI 10K RPM RAID5 Gigabit Ethernet Connection My server can output NO MORE than 60Mbps (read only). The bottle neck is the hard disk. What evidence do you have that the bottleneck is disk IO? I've seen no evidence, only speculation. In addition to the advice of others, you may be able to just beef up the RAM. 2G isn't much these days. If you've got 200M active, you've got about 1.8G available to cache files. If you have repeated access of the same file, the OS can cache that file data and not even use the disk, but it can only do that if it has enough RAM to work with. You need to get your facts straight, though. According to the specs you've got above, you've only got 1.5G of disk. I expect you meant 300G disks. You could also add disks in a RAID 10, which is generally faster than RAID 5, or move to 15,000 RPM disks. I think you might be surprised how much adding some RAM will help, though, unless your access patterns are very random, RAM should speed up the access of popular data significantly. -- Bill Moran http://www.potentialtech.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- mmm, interesante. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Hard disk bottle neck.
Hi Matthew Wojciech Puchar and others, First of all, I'd like to correct one mistyped: - I got 6x300GB SCSI 10K RPM hard drive. - Most of my files are about 100MB, many as big as 1GB. - Caching is not an option. Thanks for the advices but caching is not an option for me as most of my files are about 100MB, many files are as big as 1GB. I tried Lighty a few years ago but it doesn't help. The problem I think is disk seek. If I can reduce disk seek by increasing read buffer, I think problem would be solved. I am thinking of trying Wojciech Puchar method by patching the kernel with the following code: patch /usr/src/sys/sys/param.h #ifndef DFLTPHYS #define DFLTPHYS(1024 * 1024) /* default max raw I/O transfer size */ #endif #ifndef MAXPHYS #define MAXPHYS (1024 * 1024) /* max raw I/O transfer size */ #endif #ifndef MAXDUMPPGS I'll update the result. I'll tell you how I go. Maybe sometimes in the next fortnight. Thanks everyone, thanks Wojciech Puchar, Danny -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew Seaman Sent: Sunday, 28 September 2008 7:30 PM To: Danny Do Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Hard disk bottle neck. Danny Do wrote: Hi guys, I have this problem for years but couldn't find a way to solve it. I have a file server handling large files from 1MByte to 1GByte. Server Info: FreeBSD 6.2 Apache 2.2.9 DELL PowerEdge 1850 2GB RAM (only 184MB is active) 6x300MB SCSI 10K RPM RAID5 Gigabit Ethernet Connection My server can output NO MORE than 60Mbps (read only). The bottle neck is the hard disk. If I use ONE connection to download file from my server, the speed can go up to about 400Mbps. If I let visitors download using multiple connections, the server cannot output more than 60Mbps. My service is similar to rapidshare/megaupload, I am wondering how they configure their servers? If I recall correctly, it doesn't cost much time to read the data from the disk but it does cost a lot of time to seek for the data. Correct me if I am wrong, if I increase the read buffer size, there would be less disk seek (disk access). Let's say the read buffer is 64K, if I increase it to 640K, the disk seek would reduce by 90%. Thus, more data can be read from the hard drive. What should I do now? Try some different webservers. Apache is great, but it is designed to be maximally flexible and capable of doing anything you can imagine rather than to be absolutely as fast as possible. There are some light-weight servers which have put work into optimizing delivery of static content -- usually spoken of in the context of serving images but any static files will be suitable material. Personally, I really like nginx for this. Lots of people go for lighttpd and there are a number of other alternatives in ports. Also, depending on exactly how much content you have to serve and whether certain items are very much more popular than others, a reverse proxy / memory cache (a.k.a http accelerator) may help. varnish is the obvious candidate here, but you'll have to experiment a bit to see what the optimal settings are and if it actually helps at all. If your website runs using a scripting language such as PHP, then another possibility is memcached -- although described as a cache for dynamically generated pages, it can cache just about anything, but you will need some sort of scripting language to interface to it from your web server. There are memcached APIs for all popular languages and probably a few you've never heard of... The various caching strategies basically work because they keep recently accessed files in RAM, avoiding an expensive round-trip to the HDD to retrieve the data (memory access takes nano- or micro- seconds: disk accesses take milliseconds). Of course, the OS itself also does exactly the same thing in a general way, and FreeBSD is already very good in this respect. Caching software however gives you more control over what gets cached and for how long, enabling you to tune this specific application for maximum performance. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Hard disk bottle neck.
the following code: patch /usr/src/sys/sys/param.h #ifndef DFLTPHYS #define DFLTPHYS(1024 * 1024) /* default max raw I/O transfer size */ #endif #ifndef MAXPHYS #define MAXPHYS (1024 * 1024) /* max raw I/O transfer size */ #endif #ifndef MAXDUMPPGS I'll update the result. I'll tell you how I go. Maybe sometimes in the next fortnight. Thanks everyone, thanks Wojciech Puchar, after you recompile the kernel with that patch, check your disk performance in some directory consisting of many large files cd that_dir for x in *;do (cat $x /dev/null );done while running systat,:vmstat on another console i've just did this on one of my systems, with ONE 500GB SATA drive and with geli encryption. got 48MB/s and about 50% CPU load with core2 duo. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Hard disk bottle neck.
#ifndef MAXDUMPPGS I'll update the result. I'll tell you how I go. Maybe sometimes in the next fortnight. Thanks everyone, thanks Wojciech Puchar, Danny anyway - how your RAID5 is configured? didn't you selected SMALL stripe sizes? this way - every large read uses 3 disks in parallel, instead of spreading multiple reads on multiple disks. RAID5 performance is high on reads, when configured properly, and when the RAID solution is right. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hard disk bottle neck.
Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: after you recompile the kernel with that patch, check your disk performance in some directory consisting of many large files cd that_dir for x in *;do (cat $x /dev/null );done while running systat,:vmstat on another console More specifically, do this before and after you make the change, to demonstrate whether or not you actually fixed the problem. -- Bill Moran http://www.potentialtech.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hard disk bottle neck.
On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 11:17 AM, Bill Moran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: after you recompile the kernel with that patch, check your disk performance in some directory consisting of many large files cd that_dir for x in *;do (cat $x /dev/null );done while running systat,:vmstat on another console More specifically, do this before and after you make the change, to demonstrate whether or not you actually fixed the problem. -- Bill Moran http://www.potentialtech.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] do you check gstat? If the patch dont works, maybe yoy may try to split the raid (2 raid 5) or better use a raid 10. The raid 5 isnt a top performance raid. -- mmm, interesante. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hard disk bottle neck.
If the patch dont works, maybe yoy may try to split the raid (2 raid 5) or better use a raid 10. The raid 5 isnt a top performance raid. properly configured RAID5 is top performing on reads ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OpenGL things crash X in FB7-Stable, nVidia Card
On Sunday 28 September 2008 09:29:55 Daniel Bye wrote: On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 11:14:05PM +0100, Kemian Dang wrote: Daniel Bye wrote: On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 04:58:10PM +0100, Kemian Dang wrote: Hi all, I have a FreeBSD 7 Stable box with a nVidia 6150 Go Graphic Card. Everything was OK sometime before, but after a series updated on ports, ( I am not sure about the time, I have not use OpenGL stuff for long time) running a program with OpenGL will cause the X crashed. [ -- snip -- ] The last crash is when I choose a OpenGL screensaver. The ports is updated nearly daily, and I think this may happen after sometime after I updated the latest nVidia-driver. Any ideas about this problem? Try reinstalling the nVidia driver port. It installs its own GL libs, which may have been replaced by another port, depending on the order in which your ports were updated. Reinstalling should ensure you have the correct libs in the correct place... Dan Thanks for reply Daniel. I have re-installed the nvidia-driver and tested OpenGL - Crash again. So it seems not the case... Rats! Sorry that didn't help. One other thing occurs to me - you mentioned you updated some ports. Have you also updated your system source tree without doing a full buildworld cycle? If so, chances are that your nVidia driver is built against a different version of the kernel source than the running kernel. Although any differences will be minimal, there is a chance that something changed enough to upset the driver. I was having similar problems with the nvidia driver on my 6.4-PRERELEASE machine. The solution was to remove agp and drm related drivers from the kernel configuration and setting: hw.nvidia.registry.EnableAGPFW=1 hw.nvidia.registry.EnableAGPSBA=1 In my sysctl.conf, and also setting: Option NvAGP 3 In my xorg.conf in the Screen section... The concrete problem -- not related with GL failures -- was system freezing with /sysctl -a/ command on terminal emulators from X server. I hope it would help. Failing that, all I can suggest is that you keep an eye on your console and see if the driver emits any messages just before it chokes. Good luck! Dan Best regards, -- .O. | Daniel Molina Wegener | C/C++ Developer ..O | dmw [at] unete [dot] cl | FOSS Coding Adict OOO | FreeBSD Linux User| Standards Rocks! signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: strange behavior after update
On Sunday 28 September 2008 00:29:01 Daniel Molina Wegener wrote: Hello, I have 4GB machine and after updating to 6.4-PRERELEASE using 32bit intel based system. the complete system hangs if I do a sysctl -a under X terminal emulators. Also, I get a system hang during entropy harvesting. The sysctl -a command freezes while is displaying ACPI information, I can't capture the output and I don't have any core files... I'm running the nvidia-driver port with X11. Best regards and thanks... I reply to my self (in other similar thread): -8--8--8--8- I was having similar problems with the nvidia driver on my 6.4-PRERELEASE machine. The solution was to remove agp and drm related drivers from the kernel configuration and setting: hw.nvidia.registry.EnableAGPFW=1 hw.nvidia.registry.EnableAGPSBA=1 In my sysctl.conf, and also setting: Option NvAGP 3 In my xorg.conf in the Screen section... The concrete problem -- not related with GL failures -- was system freezing with /sysctl -a/ command on terminal emulators from X server. -8--8--8--8- I hope it would help others... Regards to the list... -- .O. | Daniel Molina Wegener | C/C++ Developer ..O | dmw [at] unete [dot] cl | FOSS Coding Adict OOO | FreeBSD Linux User| Standards Rocks! signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: SSH FreeBSD SSH command-line command
Mike Price wrote: I am looking for a FreeBSD SSH command-line command that will forward all TCP/UDP traffic through port: 53. Then I need a plink or Cygwin MS-DOS command to tunnel all my XP traffic. please help... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] What will you do? VPN with SSH? OpenVPN is easy and you can use it with XP and Linux/*BSD and all TCP/ UDP traffic is going from one host to other host/ subnet. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Hard disk bottle neck.
Hi Diego, The reason I use RAID5 because I don't want to waste too much space on redundancy whilst taking the advantage of read. Over 99% of disk access are expected to be reading. I could split to 2xRAID5 but I will have difficulty with file management later. Furthermore, the system would use 2 disks for parity. I don't want to lose too much space. [EMAIL PROTECTED] SCSI disks are still very expensive. :( -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Diego F. Arias R. Sent: Sunday, 28 September 2008 11:25 PM To: Bill Moran Cc: Wojciech Puchar; Danny Do; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Hard disk bottle neck. On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 11:17 AM, Bill Moran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: after you recompile the kernel with that patch, check your disk performance in some directory consisting of many large files cd that_dir for x in *;do (cat $x /dev/null );done while running systat,:vmstat on another console More specifically, do this before and after you make the change, to demonstrate whether or not you actually fixed the problem. -- Bill Moran http://www.potentialtech.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] do you check gstat? If the patch dont works, maybe yoy may try to split the raid (2 raid 5) or better use a raid 10. The raid 5 isnt a top performance raid. -- mmm, interesante. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OpenGL things crash X in FB7-Stable, nVidia Card
On Sunday 28 September 2008 18:36:17 Daniel Molina Wegener wrote: On Sunday 28 September 2008 09:29:55 Daniel Bye wrote: On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 11:14:05PM +0100, Kemian Dang wrote: Daniel Bye wrote: On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 04:58:10PM +0100, Kemian Dang wrote: Hi all, I have a FreeBSD 7 Stable box with a nVidia 6150 Go Graphic Card. Everything was OK sometime before, but after a series updated on ports, ( I am not sure about the time, I have not use OpenGL stuff for long time) running a program with OpenGL will cause the X crashed. [ -- snip -- ] The last crash is when I choose a OpenGL screensaver. The ports is updated nearly daily, and I think this may happen after sometime after I updated the latest nVidia-driver. Any ideas about this problem? Try reinstalling the nVidia driver port. It installs its own GL libs, which may have been replaced by another port, depending on the order in which your ports were updated. Reinstalling should ensure you have the correct libs in the correct place... Dan Thanks for reply Daniel. I have re-installed the nvidia-driver and tested OpenGL - Crash again. So it seems not the case... Rats! Sorry that didn't help. One other thing occurs to me - you mentioned you updated some ports. Have you also updated your system source tree without doing a full buildworld cycle? If so, chances are that your nVidia driver is built against a different version of the kernel source than the running kernel. Although any differences will be minimal, there is a chance that something changed enough to upset the driver. I was having similar problems with the nvidia driver on my 6.4-PRERELEASE machine. The solution was to remove agp and drm related drivers from the kernel configuration and setting: hw.nvidia.registry.EnableAGPFW=1 hw.nvidia.registry.EnableAGPSBA=1 In my sysctl.conf, and also setting: Option NvAGP 3 In my xorg.conf in the Screen section... The concrete problem -- not related with GL failures -- was system freezing with /sysctl -a/ command on terminal emulators from X server. I'm interested to see if this helps, since he has a 'Go' card, meaning laptop, most likely no AGP. These OpenGL apps, are they native or linux? Try games/apoolGL, for a lightweight native OpenGL app. I have very bad performance (fps 10) with linux games, under fc6, that run fine under fc4. No crashes, though. -- Mel Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules and never get to the software part. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Hard disk bottle neck.
The reason I use RAID5 because I don't want to waste too much space on redundancy whilst taking the advantage of read. Over 99% of disk access are expected to be reading. in that case - RAID5 is perfect, just properly set up. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OpenGL things crash X in FB7-Stable, nVidia Card
Daniel Bye wrote: On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 11:14:05PM +0100, Kemian Dang wrote: Daniel Bye wrote: On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 04:58:10PM +0100, Kemian Dang wrote: Hi all, I have a FreeBSD 7 Stable box with a nVidia 6150 Go Graphic Card. Everything was OK sometime before, but after a series updated on ports, ( I am not sure about the time, I have not use OpenGL stuff for long time) running a program with OpenGL will cause the X crashed. [ -- snip -- ] The last crash is when I choose a OpenGL screensaver. The ports is updated nearly daily, and I think this may happen after sometime after I updated the latest nVidia-driver. Any ideas about this problem? Try reinstalling the nVidia driver port. It installs its own GL libs, which may have been replaced by another port, depending on the order in which your ports were updated. Reinstalling should ensure you have the correct libs in the correct place... Dan Thanks for reply Daniel. I have re-installed the nvidia-driver and tested OpenGL - Crash again. So it seems not the case... Rats! Sorry that didn't help. One other thing occurs to me - you mentioned you updated some ports. Have you also updated your system source tree without doing a full buildworld cycle? If so, chances are that your nVidia driver is built against a different version of the kernel source than the running kernel. Although any differences will be minimal, there is a chance that something changed enough to upset the driver. Failing that, all I can suggest is that you keep an eye on your console and see if the driver emits any messages just before it chokes. Good luck! Dan I csuped and re-built the world before sending the question. And there is nothing in the console... Thanks, Kemian ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Another No disks found during Install
sergio lenzi a écrit : Em Qui, 2008-08-14 às 23:29 +0200, Bernard Lecuire escreveu: Hello, I have a problem with the installation. I choose country, keyboard and then I can not continue installation, because it says No disks found! Please verify that your disk controller is being... Hardware: Acer Aspire M1641,Intel Pentium Dual Core E2180, nVidia GeForce 7050, sata-500 Here is what i get during boot sequence: (...cut...) hptrr: HPT RocketRAID controller driver v1.1 (Feb 24 2008 10:34:18) (...cut...) atapci0: nVidia nForce MCP73 UDMA133 controller port 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6,0x170-0x177,0x376,0xffa0-0xffaf at device 8.0 on pci0 ata0: ATA channel 0 on atapci0 ata0: [ITHREAD] ata1: ATA channel 1 on atapci0 ata1: [ITHREAD] (...cut...) I tried to install without success FreeBSD 7.0, 8.0, OpenBSD, NetBSD, and 4-5 Linux distros. Anyone an idea? Bernard In my country (Brazil) you could go to the shop before 7 days passed after you bought this *%$$@ and change for a TRUE notebook HP, Asus, toshiba, LG.. with no questions asked... I think that ACER makes their hardware to work only for windows vista and works very bad indeed... please stay away from those #%### I do not see any good thing in ACER. 1) they do not care about customers, 2) the main board is stripped down to a minimum 3) the bios is unique totally out of any convension and always buggy 4) the battery has fewer cells... 5) the wireless is poor... Only the price is good... but compare it with a good notebook, you will see that those 200 dollars less that you pay for an acer is TOO expensive... Even using windows, you will spend that more by the time you will need an anti-virus + an office pack... In 6 more months, acer will drop down that line and you will not find any replacement part of it... Like many things done in asia, it is only a toy Want a good notebook??? buy an apple book... in an apple store you can buy a good one for about 1200 dollars 13 inches, dual core, 1gb of memory 120gb of disk everything works... even Leopard Sergio ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Good diagnosis. I changed the motherboard (to Asus), and now it works! Bye Bernard ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mouse not working
Moused recognizes my mouse and the Xorg -configure test also recognizes my mouse, but when I run startx it does not recognize my mouse. I have a Microsoft wireless optical mouse that plugs into a USB port. Does anyone know how to work around this? -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Mouse-not-working-tp19715853p19715853.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OpenGL things crash X in FB7-Stable, nVidia Card
Daniel Molina Wegener wrote: On Sunday 28 September 2008 09:29:55 Daniel Bye wrote: On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 11:14:05PM +0100, Kemian Dang wrote: Daniel Bye wrote: On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 04:58:10PM +0100, Kemian Dang wrote: Hi all, I have a FreeBSD 7 Stable box with a nVidia 6150 Go Graphic Card. Everything was OK sometime before, but after a series updated on ports, ( I am not sure about the time, I have not use OpenGL stuff for long time) running a program with OpenGL will cause the X crashed. [ -- snip -- ] The last crash is when I choose a OpenGL screensaver. The ports is updated nearly daily, and I think this may happen after sometime after I updated the latest nVidia-driver. Any ideas about this problem? Try reinstalling the nVidia driver port. It installs its own GL libs, which may have been replaced by another port, depending on the order in which your ports were updated. Reinstalling should ensure you have the correct libs in the correct place... Dan Thanks for reply Daniel. I have re-installed the nvidia-driver and tested OpenGL - Crash again. So it seems not the case... Rats! Sorry that didn't help. One other thing occurs to me - you mentioned you updated some ports. Have you also updated your system source tree without doing a full buildworld cycle? If so, chances are that your nVidia driver is built against a different version of the kernel source than the running kernel. Although any differences will be minimal, there is a chance that something changed enough to upset the driver. I was having similar problems with the nvidia driver on my 6.4-PRERELEASE machine. The solution was to remove agp and drm related drivers from the kernel configuration and setting: hw.nvidia.registry.EnableAGPFW=1 hw.nvidia.registry.EnableAGPSBA=1 In my sysctl.conf, and also setting: Option NvAGP 3 In my xorg.conf in the Screen section... The concrete problem -- not related with GL failures -- was system freezing with /sysctl -a/ command on terminal emulators from X server. I hope it would help. Failing that, all I can suggest is that you keep an eye on your console and see if the driver emits any messages just before it chokes. Good luck! Dan Best regards, Does not work. I have removed the agp in kernel(there is no drm in my kernel), set the sysctl.conf and the xorg.conf. Recompiled and restarted my laptop. Xorg still crashed when I selecting the OpenGL Screen Saver. I can use sysctl -a, here is the result: 11:05pm kemian ~ sysctl -a |grep nvidia hw.nvidia.version: NVIDIA UNIX x86 Kernel Module 173.14.12 Thu Jul 17 18:06:02 PDT 2008 hw.nvidia.registry.EnableVia4x: 0 hw.nvidia.registry.EnableALiAGP: 0 hw.nvidia.registry.NvAGP: 1 hw.nvidia.registry.ReqAGPRate: 15 hw.nvidia.registry.EnableAGPSBA: 1 hw.nvidia.registry.EnableAGPFW: 1 hw.nvidia.registry.Mobile: 4294967295 hw.nvidia.registry.ResmanDebugLevel: 4294967295 hw.nvidia.registry.RmLogonRC: 1 hw.nvidia.registry.ModifyDeviceFiles: 1 hw.nvidia.registry.DeviceFileUID: 0 hw.nvidia.registry.DeviceFileGID: 0 hw.nvidia.registry.DeviceFileMode: 438 hw.nvidia.registry.RemapLimit: 0 hw.nvidia.registry.UpdateMemoryTypes: 4294967295 hw.nvidia.registry.UseVBios: 1 hw.nvidia.registry.RMEdgeIntrCheck: 1 hw.nvidia.registry.UsePageAttributeTable: 4294967295 hw.nvidia.registry.dwords: hw.nvidia.cards.0.model: GeForce Go 6150 hw.nvidia.cards.0.irq: 21 hw.nvidia.cards.0.vbios: 05.51.28.52.25 hw.nvidia.cards.0.type: PCI dev.nvidia.0.%desc: GeForce Go 6150 dev.nvidia.0.%driver: nvidia dev.nvidia.0.%parent: vgapci0 BTW, I have tried games/apoolGL, crashed as it started. Thanks, Kemian ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mouse not working
On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 02:49:04PM -0700, zill wrote: Moused recognizes my mouse and the Xorg -configure test also recognizes my mouse, but when I run startx it does not recognize my mouse. I have a Microsoft wireless optical mouse that plugs into a USB port. Does anyone know how to work around this? Disable moused, or use /dev/sysmouse as the mouse device in X11. Roland -- R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) pgpuN77pxge9J.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Another No disks found during Install
On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 4:17 PM, Bernard Lecuire [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sergio lenzi a écrit : Em Qui, 2008-08-14 às 23:29 +0200, Bernard Lecuire escreveu: Hello, I have a problem with the installation. I choose country, keyboard and then I can not continue installation, because it says No disks found! Please verify that your disk controller is being... Hardware: Acer Aspire M1641,Intel Pentium Dual Core E2180, nVidia GeForce 7050, sata-500 Here is what i get during boot sequence: (...cut...) hptrr: HPT RocketRAID controller driver v1.1 (Feb 24 2008 10:34:18) (...cut...) atapci0: nVidia nForce MCP73 UDMA133 controller port 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6,0x170-0x177,0x376,0xffa0-0xffaf at device 8.0 on pci0 ata0: ATA channel 0 on atapci0 ata0: [ITHREAD] ata1: ATA channel 1 on atapci0 ata1: [ITHREAD] (...cut...) I tried to install without success FreeBSD 7.0, 8.0, OpenBSD, NetBSD, and 4-5 Linux distros. Anyone an idea? Bernard In my country (Brazil) you could go to the shop before 7 days passed after you bought this *%$$@ and change for a TRUE notebook HP, Asus, toshiba, LG.. with no questions asked... I think that ACER makes their hardware to work only for windows vista and works very bad indeed... please stay away from those #%### I do not see any good thing in ACER. 1) they do not care about customers, 2) the main board is stripped down to a minimum 3) the bios is unique totally out of any convension and always buggy 4) the battery has fewer cells... 5) the wireless is poor... Only the price is good... but compare it with a good notebook, you will see that those 200 dollars less that you pay for an acer is TOO expensive... Even using windows, you will spend that more by the time you will need an anti-virus + an office pack... In 6 more months, acer will drop down that line and you will not find any replacement part of it... Like many things done in asia, it is only a toy Want a good notebook??? buy an apple book... in an apple store you can buy a good one for about 1200 dollars 13 inches, dual core, 1gb of memory 120gb of disk everything works... even Leopard Sergio ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Good diagnosis. I changed the motherboard (to Asus), and now it works! Bye Bernard ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well some nForce boards FreeBSD doesn't like so that is why the error came up ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
