using ntfs-3g

2009-03-28 Thread marco.borsat...@poste.it
You have suggested the good solution, thank you.

Marco Borsatino
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From  : beni b...@brinckman.info
To  : freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Cc  : marco.borsat...@poste.it
Date  : Fri, 27 Mar 2009 20:30:04 +0100
Subject : Re: using ntfs-3g

Op Friday 27 March 2009 18:41:52 marco.borsat...@poste.it schreef:
 Hi all.
 I'm trying to use ntfs-3g driver on FreeBsd 7.1.
 After installing the precompiled package, I try to mount a
 NTFS volume. The syntax seems to be quite simple, but I fail.
 First attempt:
 mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/ad0s3 /mnt/dati_vista/
 mount: /dev/ad0s3 : Operation not supported by device

 Second attempt:
 ntfs-3g /dev/ad0s3 /mnt/dati_vista/
 fuse: failed to open fuse device: No such file or directory

 The same volume mounted with the standard command:
 # mount_ntfs /dev/ad0s3 /mnt/dati_vista
 [r...@odino ~]# mount
 /dev/ad8s2a on / (ufs, local)
 devfs on /dev (devfs, local)
 /dev/ad8s2d on /usr (ufs, local, soft-updates)
 /dev/ad8s1 on /mnt/win_xp (ntfs, local, read-only)
 /dev/ad8s3 on /mnt/dati_xp (ntfs, local, read-only)
 /dev/ad0s3 on /mnt/dati_vista (ntfs, local)

 gives me the expected result.
 What is my mistake?
 Thanks.
 Marco Borsatino

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Hi,

You added fusefs_enable=YES to your /etc/rc.conf ?
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Re: freeBSD 6.4

2009-03-28 Thread Dánielisz László
Hi Mario!

Did you installed the right vga driver? Did you make de right xorg.conf for 
Xserver? Please check this.
Anyways, you can send your top processes, but I think that the Firefox uses the 
more from CPU, by the way, what is your load?


Laci




From: Mario PNH mario...@gmail.com
To: Dánielisz László laszlo_daniel...@yahoo.com
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 7:29:25 PM
Subject: freeBSD 6.4

Hi Dánielisz

I got this email of you on MAR 13, and today I got the GNOME running on freeBSD 
6.4.
I also installed KDE4 but haven't used it yet.

My main question this time is about the whole freeBSD.  As a matter of fact it 
is running
the CPU above 50% as I start GNOME with no more application involved. I am 
right now
emailing this from GMAIL/google using firefox loaded on GNOME  2.22.3 and the 
CPU is 
75% busy. So it is kind of slow and lagging. I am using this ASUS machine:

AMD Athlon(TM) XP 2000+
Memory  1 GB

Which when I use windows XP as OS, does the same with CPU involved just 6%. I 
am sure
freeBSD should do this much faster than Windows XP, but I have no idea how to 
detect what
is wrong. I can also send the list of processes running on this 6.4 which i 
guess most of them are
normal. and the only application open is firefox connected to GMAIL . Any idea 
what should I check?

I like to have a UNIX like OP. System to work on my JAVA programs. That I was 
doing with WIN-XP
so far. And I have WIN2003 also on another ASUS Core i7 machine. I want to know 
if the performance 
of freeBSD is very hardware related, then what type of motherboard / chip / CPU 
..etc is recommended?  
I used to work with UNIX on SUN machines while at university, and I expect 
freeBSD to function almost 
the same, and even better these days concerning the time and new technologies 
but I am missing some 
info to get it done. 
Thanks
Mario





On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 5:04 AM, Dánielisz László laszlo_daniel...@yahoo.com 
wrote:

You are welcome!
Don't forget to upgrade your ports, I think after this it will work, if not 
than try pkg_add but first read the manual.




From: Mario PNH mario...@gmail.com
To: Dánielisz László laszlo_daniel...@yahoo.com
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 9:07:56 PM
Subject: Re: Ports Collection


Thanks for your response.

FreeBSD versions of 7.0 and 7.1 could never be booted on my computer,
and it kept restarting with a short note of inflate on the screen. 
But 6.4 is running excellent, except for the gnome2 installation.
I didn't update my ports, but I will, and I think I need to go though
gnome installation instruction again.

While installing gnome2, for near 2 hours, it finally went into a loop
cycle of loading and repeating things, I can't remember exactly what 
but I am going to watch it closely as I redo it over next week

I am trying 6.4 on my 5 yr old ASUS A7N266-VM, which still runs great
with nVidia 220 North Bridge Chipset - CPU AMD Athlon(TM)2000+.
6.4 recognizes all components as I went through log files. This is a 
test for me, to learn about freeBSD. Once I am familiar with how it
functions, I try it on my new ASUS P6T Deluxe - Intel X58 (core i7). 
However, with the fact that I may face drivers issue for this one, yet 
I am going to add new hard drive to test 7.1 on the P6T soon, as I get 
just a bit free time after MAR 21. I appreciate your response and I will 
provide more info later on.

Thanks,
Mario


On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 6:06 AM, Dánielisz László laszlo_daniel...@yahoo.com 
wrote:

Dear Mario Palmer,

Did you tried to install the latest FreeBSD version instead of 6.4?
Did you updated your ports tree before running the make command (eg. with 
cvsup)?
You can also try installing gnome2 via pkg_add -r [-v]


Laci




 From: Mario PNH mario...@gmail.com
To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 10:01:41 PM
Subject: Ports Collection


I really liked the FreeBSD running on my ASUS desktop,
until I tried to install gnome2 and I was surprised that
it never finished it, during which it created some 20 and
more user groups like 'nobody', 'anonymous', 'aiviah', 'games', etc ...
and I am wondering if that was a normal process.

# cd /usr/ports/x11/gnome2
# make install clean

I have burned the DVD of 6.4 version lately and I don't
know if that's all I needed to install gnome2 instead of
using Ports Collection.

Thanks,
Mario Palmer
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Re: [pkg_add] PACKAGESITE weirdness - URL not correct for dependencies?

2009-03-28 Thread Mel Flynn
On Thursday 26 March 2009 21:46:07 L Campbell wrote:
 Okay, so apparently there's some serious weirdness in the logic in
 src/usr.sbin/pkg_install/lib/url.c, in fileGetURL. This function takes
 two parameters, base and spec, and has the following behavior --

snip behavior and patch

Yes, it is a bit counter-intuitive. However it's documented in the pkg_add(1) 
manpage that PACKAGESITE should resolve to the full URL where packages can be 
found (even the trailing slash).

I've found in practice, that it is the easiest to set your webroot below All/, 
so that All/foo-1.2.3.tbz resolves to the foo 1.2.3 package. Then also 
maintain the various categories links like devel/foo.tbz and as human use 
pkg_add like so:
pkg_add -r devel/foo

This will do the right thing(tm) and you don't have to look up/remember the 
version numbers as a bonus.
-- 
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Re: most signals not being delivered to processes

2009-03-28 Thread Mel Flynn
On Thursday 26 March 2009 21:50:36 Ian Rose wrote:

 However, hopefully the problem has gone away.  Another member of our
 team thinks that somehow the issue is related to some system services
 (sshd and dhcpd) failing to completely detach from their controlling
 terminal due to a setuid wrapper he set up, and thus they are left
 holding on to some old bad controlling terminal even though they
 daemonize themselves.

As a hint to your team member, daemon(8) program allows one to switch user 
before daemonizing and detaches properly when asked to. If he wishes to 
implement this in C himself, visit the setusercontext(3) manpage, which does 
the setuid() and login class limits automagically.
-- 
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Re: Wine without X

2009-03-28 Thread Mel Flynn
On Friday 27 March 2009 15:42:27 Barnaby Scott wrote:

 Can I ask one more possibly really dumb question, to which I can find no
 answer: Is there a 'conventional', or sensible for one reason or
 another, place to download application source to?

Most systems I use or inherited use a variation of ~/src ~/cvs or ~/svn, where 
src are the tarballs + their extracted source and cvs/svn checkouts and/or 
exports.
-- 
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Re: Wine without X

2009-03-28 Thread Robert Huff

Mel Flynn writes:

   Can I ask one more possibly really dumb question, to which I
can find no answer: Is there a 'conventional', or sensible
for one reason oranother, place to download application source to?
  
  Most systems I use or inherited use a variation of ~/src ~/cvs or
  ~/svn, where src are the tarballs + their extracted source and
  cvs/svn checkouts and/or exports.

I have never done this, but if I were running a private ports
tree I would be tempted to root it (if not on a separate partition)
at /usr/priv_ports or something similar and have the structure
minic /usr/ports whereever possible.  The name would then be
semi-intuitive, and a simple change of a few environment variables
(perhaps in the login file of an account dedicated to working on
those ports) would be all it took to change the framework.


Robert Huff




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Re: WINE installation problem

2009-03-28 Thread Mel Flynn
On Thursday 26 March 2009 14:10:48 RW wrote:
 On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 07:20:38 +0100

 Alain G. Fabry alainfa...@belgacom.net wrote:
  Hi,
 
  My WINE was running fine, but while performing a portupgrade I got an
  error message. So I decided to remove WINE and reinstall. Now I can't
  install it either.

 If you ever do that again, make a package first.

Using:
mkdir ~/packages
pkg_create -vb packagename-1.2.3 ~/packages/packagename-1.2.3.tbz

-- 
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Re: How to list all the installed packages...

2009-03-28 Thread Ghirai
On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:05:04 +0700 (ICT)
Olivier Nicole o...@cs.ait.ac.th wrote:

 Hi,
 
 Is there a way to show a list of all installed packages that are not
 required by any other package?
 
 Some thing like pkg_info -aR where the Required by: field is empty.
 
 Ultimately, that would give a list of software versus libraries.
 
 The question arise because, while installing a new machine, I found
 out that I have help2man installed, that is not required by any other
 package, that I did not install myself, that looks unneeded to me
 (until I may need it one day). So I would remove it; and would like to
 make a list of what is removable (that I did not install, and that is
 not required).
 
 TIA,
 
 Olivier

I use pkg_rmleaves.

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Re: installing freebsd on windows

2009-03-28 Thread Jerry
On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 14:45:33 +
Frank Shute fr...@shute.org.uk wrote:

On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 08:31:31AM -0400, Jerry wrote:

 On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:50:40 +
 Frank Shute fr...@shute.org.uk wrote:
 
 On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 01:03:59AM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
 
  It's certainly not slow and messy here. I installed PCBSD a
  couple of months ago after a few years of rolling my own desktop
  and I love it. On reasonable spec hardware it runs very well, the
  developers have done an excellent job
  
  of course. windows vista runs well too on overmuscled hardware.

A system can never be over powered.

 No it doesn't. It doesn't run well on any hardware because it's got
 things like a file manager that is broken for all intents and
 purposes. No virtual desktops, undocumented shell etc.
 
 Actually, it supports at least four that I know of. You can Google
 for the information. 

Four of what?

Virtual desktops. What are you referring to? Visit the power toys URL
for further information.

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/Downloads/powertoys/Xppowertoys.mspx

Why do I have to Google the info? Shouldn't there be a copy of the
info locally?

Not necessarily. Many people don't want to clutter up their system with
documentation that they will never use. I certainly don't. If I
actually need an obscure bit of information, I can always obtain it.

I can google for unbroken filemanagers, documented shells, install
cygwin etc. but the software as it stands is horribly inadequate and
undocumented.

In your opinion. I never have a problem finding what I am looking for.

 MS Windows is probably the best documented piece of software around. 

Are you being sarcastic?

Where's the Handbook like FreeBSDs?

Are you being sarcastic?

You can read the source can you? I can't.

If you are referring to the source code; well that is obvious. If
something else, then what? People get paid to develop the software. If
they gave it away, they would not make a living, the unemployment lines
would swell, and crime would increase. Now, if you don't believe in a
capitalistic system of free enterprise, please come over and paint my
house this weekend. I promise not to insult you by offering to pay you.

Maybe I'm just getting old but Vista documentation seems to be
scattered to hell and west over the 'net - if you can find what you're
looking for at all.

Yes, it is fragmented. The simple fact that there is so much information
is the cause, not the problem.

 What is it you are looking for?

Where are the documents for using their crappy filemanager? There are
some with what they call, exaggeratingly, their help system but they
are useless compared to any unix documentation. Probably there are a
limited number of ways you can describe such an excrescance as the
Vista Explorer replacement.

Where are the manpages for their shell? They should at least have some
documentation that comes with the OS that lists and describes the
commands it supports. It doesn't.

Did you actually install the 'Power Shell?' I assume that is what you
are talking about. Read the 'Getting Started pages. I just installed
it and there is a wealth of information there. Certainly enough to get
started with.

BTW, many people consider 'man' to be an acronym for Much About
Nothing. Therein lies the reason that O'Reilly has make a fortune
distributing 'How-To' books.

I'm looking for an OS with a sane file hierarchy and a shell I can use
to manage the files therein. An editor better than Notepad would be a
bonus too.

Wrong, you are looking for a specific OS that is tailored to your very
specific specification. Everyone does not (thank GOD) have the same
criteria. If it suits you, then great. If not, find one that does.
Bitching like an old wash woman accomplishes nothing.

Extensive documentation on the machine is a must.

Then install it. Everyone does not want massive amounts of useless
clutter.

I've searched on google for documentation on the powershell to no
avail. All the docs as such seem to be available if you are a member
of MSDN - I presume so anyway, but for the general public they don't
seem to be readily available.

Obviously, you have not installed the shell. Besides the info included
with the program, you might want to check out the following URL. It
should answer most of your immediate questions. I also question you
'search' ability. I don't seem to be having any problem finding
gratuitous amounts of documentation.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/926139

In short, I gave Vista a decent shot (I quite like XP) but it was like
wading through treacle and I thought that if I am to get the best out
of it, I'm probably going to have to sign up for MSDN and download
vast amounts of missing software and spend inordinate amounts of
time on google. 

Yes, it is commonly referred to as a 'learning curve' Personally,
anyone who cannot handle a Win32 machine has serous problems. Six year
old kids gleefully manipulate a PC without problems. I know several 

nvidia-drivers crash computer on X start

2009-03-28 Thread Anders Holmström
I'm having something of a problem. X.org will not start whenever I
load the drivers installed from the latest nvidia-drivers port. The
error also happens with the older versions of said drivers. The error
doesn't occur with the normal nv drivers.

What happens:

1) $ startx
2) The normal startup stuff flickers by on screen. I'm not sure
exactly what it says as the screen goes black to load up X in less
than a second (it always does this).
3) It then switches display mode or something like that. It goes from
proper this screen is currently not showing anything at all-black to
this screen is on and is rendering black pixels-black. It might
sound strange but I can't describe it any better. The black gets a
different hue which isn't displayed when I start X with the default nv
drivers. Not sure if this is relevant or not.
4) Everything just locks up. The new black stays. I can't switch to
another terminal with CTRL+ALT+F#, I can't CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE nor
CTRL+ALT+DELETE. I was playing music with the CLI player herrie once
and it repeated the same millisecond of sound over and over and over.
A proper lock-up.
5) I hit the reboot button.

There's no log produced in /var/log/Xorg.0.log when this happens, nor
can I find anything in the messages log. The only relevant log I have
is the one created when I run X -configure, which lists no errors.
This is the log:

###
X.Org X Server 1.5.3
Release Date: 5 November 2008
X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0
Build Operating System: FreeBSD 7.1-RELEASE i386
Current Operating System: FreeBSD sino.plas.se 7.1-RELEASE FreeBSD
7.1-RELEASE #0: Thu Jan  1 14:37:25 UTC 2009
r...@logan.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386
Build Date: 27 March 2009  01:00:57AM

Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org
to make sure that you have the latest version.
Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
(++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
(==) Log file: /var/log/Xorg.0.log, Time: Sat Mar 28 09:46:07 2009
(II) Loader magic: 0x81bcde0
(II) Module ABI versions:
X.Org ANSI C Emulation: 0.4
X.Org Video Driver: 4.1
X.Org XInput driver : 2.1
X.Org Server Extension : 1.1
X.Org Font Renderer : 0.6
(II) Loader running on freebsd
(--) Using syscons driver with X support (version 2.0)
(--) using VT number 9

(--) PCI:*(0...@1:0:0) nVidia Corporation GeForce 8800 GTS 512 rev 162,
Mem @ 0xfd00/0, 0xd000/0, 0xfa00/0, I/O @ 0xbc00/0,
BIOS @ 0x/131072
List of video drivers:
nvidia
(II) LoadModule: nvidia

(II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//nvidia_drv.so
(II) Module nvidia: vendor=NVIDIA Corporation
compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0
Module class: X.Org Video Driver
(II) System resource ranges:
[0] -1  0   0x0010 - 0x3fff (0x3ff0) MX[B]E(B)
[1] -1  0   0x000f - 0x000f (0x1) MX[B]
[2] -1  0   0x000c - 0x000e (0x3) MX[B]
[3] -1  0   0x - 0x0009 (0xa) MX[B]
[4] -1  0   0x - 0x (0x1) IX[B]
[5] -1  0   0x - 0x00ff (0x100) IX[B]
(II) Primary Device is: PCI 0...@00:00:0
(II) NVIDIA dlloader X Driver  180.29  Tue Feb  3 10:12:46 PST 2009
(II) NVIDIA Unified Driver for all Supported NVIDIA GPUs
(++) Using config file: /home/lillis/xorg.conf.new
(==) ServerLayout X.org Configured
(**) |--Screen Screen0 (0)
(**) |   |--Monitor Monitor0
(**) |   |--Device Card0
(**) |--Input Device Mouse0
(**) |--Input Device Keyboard0
(==) Automatically adding devices
(==) Automatically enabling devices
(==) Including the default font path
/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/misc/,/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/TTF/,/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/OTF,/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/,/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/,/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/.
(**) FontPath set to:
/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/misc/,
/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/TTF/,
/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/OTF,
/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/,
/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/,
/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/,
/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/misc/,
/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/TTF/,
/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/OTF,
/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/,
/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/,
/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/
(**) ModulePath set to /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules
(WW) AllowEmptyInput is on, devices using drivers 'kbd' or 'mouse'
will be disabled.
(WW) Disabling Mouse0
(WW) Disabling Keyboard0
(II) Loading sub module fb
(II) LoadModule: fb

(II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules//libfb.so
(II) Module fb: vendor=X.Org Foundation
compiled for 1.5.3, module version = 1.0.0
ABI class: X.Org ANSI C Emulation, version 0.4
(II) Loading sub module wfb
(II) LoadModule: wfb

(II) Loading 

Re: nvidia-drivers crash computer on X start

2009-03-28 Thread RW
On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 13:53:43 +0100
Anders Holmström holmstrom.and...@gmail.com wrote:

 The current xorg.conf I'm using is listed below. It was generated with
 X -configure. I've used many different xorg.confs, but they've all
 more or less been using the same settings as below,

I don't know if it will help, but the nvidia driver has its own utility
for generating xorg.conf:

x11/nvidia-xconfig





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About boot from GPT

2009-03-28 Thread Bingzheng Wu
Hi men,

FreeBSD 7.1 supports booting from GPT partitions.
I want to know more about it.

Without GPT, MBR reads the Disk Partition Table(DPT), and read the
first sector of the
boot partition.
If map the bootable GPT-partition in to DPT in MBR, then the boot code
in MBR reads
this partition, just like it's a normal partition. What else need to
do to support booting
from GPT partition?

Thanks,
Wu
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Re: nvidia-drivers crash computer on X start

2009-03-28 Thread rasz

RW wrote:

On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 13:53:43 +0100
Anders Holmström holmstrom.and...@gmail.com wrote:

  

The current xorg.conf I'm using is listed below. It was generated with
X -configure. I've used many different xorg.confs, but they've all
more or less been using the same settings as below,



I don't know if it will help, but the nvidia driver has its own utility
for generating xorg.conf:

x11/nvidia-xconfig





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did you try
Option AllowEmptyInput off

in Serverlayout section under screen, keyboard, mouse?


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Re: freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 252, Issue 11

2009-03-28 Thread Roy Stuivenberg
Hello :)
Thank you very much!
I added the line in ipfw script, loaded the script,
and was able to send the email with attachment.
Then tried again without the line  $cmd 00151 allow icmp from any to
any icmptypes 3 (after reboot) and it didn't send the email.
So including the line did the trick .. Thanks  Bravo!

Regards,
Roy.

On Sat, 2009-03-28 at 12:00 +, freebsd-questions-requ...@freebsd.org
wrote:
 --
 
 Message: 3
 Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 21:54:29 +
 From: RW rwmailli...@googlemail.com
 Subject: Re: Problem with Gmail/Evolution and IPFW
 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
 Message-ID: 20090327215429.17222...@gumby.homeunix.com
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
 
 On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 22:01:51 +0100
 Roy Stuivenberg roys1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Hello, 
  
  I'm having a problem with Gmail and IPFW. 
  Gmail is configured in Evolution.
  running prerelease 7.2 / stable + Gnome2
  
  When I can't send mail (with attachment), I 
  have to disable IPFW, and at that point I'm able to send mail.
 
 This sounds like it could be a path mtu discovery problem; try adding
 the following: 
 
 allow icmp from any to any icmptypes 3

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Re: installing freebsd on windows

2009-03-28 Thread Frank Shute
On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 08:39:32AM -0400, Jerry wrote:

 On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 14:45:33 +
 Frank Shute fr...@shute.org.uk wrote:
 
 On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 08:31:31AM -0400, Jerry wrote:
 
  On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:50:40 +
  Frank Shute fr...@shute.org.uk wrote:
  
  On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 01:03:59AM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
  
   It's certainly not slow and messy here. I installed PCBSD a
   couple of months ago after a few years of rolling my own desktop
   and I love it. On reasonable spec hardware it runs very well, the
   developers have done an excellent job
   
   of course. windows vista runs well too on overmuscled hardware.
 
 A system can never be over powered.
 
  No it doesn't. It doesn't run well on any hardware because it's got
  things like a file manager that is broken for all intents and
  purposes. No virtual desktops, undocumented shell etc.
  
  Actually, it supports at least four that I know of. You can Google
  for the information. 
 
 Four of what?
 
 Virtual desktops. What are you referring to? Visit the power toys URL
 for further information.
 
 http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/Downloads/powertoys/Xppowertoys.mspx

Thanks for that. Did they use to be called PowerTools? I downloaded
them a few years ago but it didn't come with virtual desktops. 

 
 Why do I have to Google the info? Shouldn't there be a copy of the
 info locally?
 
 Not necessarily. Many people don't want to clutter up their system with
 documentation that they will never use. I certainly don't. If I
 actually need an obscure bit of information, I can always obtain it.

And when your 'net connection is down, then you can obtain it?

I maintain the Handbook locally. It's no effort and can save my bacon
for whenever I don't have 'net access.

 
 I can google for unbroken filemanagers, documented shells, install
 cygwin etc. but the software as it stands is horribly inadequate and
 undocumented.
 
 In your opinion. I never have a problem finding what I am looking for.
 
  MS Windows is probably the best documented piece of software around. 
 
 Are you being sarcastic?
 
 Where's the Handbook like FreeBSDs?
 
 Are you being sarcastic?

No.

 
 You can read the source can you? I can't.
 
 If you are referring to the source code; well that is obvious. If
 something else, then what? People get paid to develop the software. If
 they gave it away, they would not make a living, the unemployment lines
 would swell, and crime would increase. Now, if you don't believe in a
 capitalistic system of free enterprise, please come over and paint my
 house this weekend. I promise not to insult you by offering to pay you.

You've fallen hook, line  sinker for the broken windows fallacy.

I support free software with a subscription to TUG. It's not my job to
keep software developers in employment though.

 
 Maybe I'm just getting old but Vista documentation seems to be
 scattered to hell and west over the 'net - if you can find what you're
 looking for at all.
 
 Yes, it is fragmented. The simple fact that there is so much information
 is the cause, not the problem.

It maybe the cause but it's also a problem. There should be one page
on microsoft.com for each of their OSes where one can start looking
for info.

For instance, I did a search for cmd.exe commands on Google and it
didn't return a useful page from microsoft.com on the first page.
That's weak. What's even weaker is that cmd.exe isn't described in any
of the local documentation on Vista/XP.

 
  What is it you are looking for?
 
 Where are the documents for using their crappy filemanager? There are
 some with what they call, exaggeratingly, their help system but they
 are useless compared to any unix documentation. Probably there are a
 limited number of ways you can describe such an excrescance as the
 Vista Explorer replacement.
 
 Where are the manpages for their shell? They should at least have some
 documentation that comes with the OS that lists and describes the
 commands it supports. It doesn't.
 
 Did you actually install the 'Power Shell?' I assume that is what you
 are talking about. Read the 'Getting Started pages. I just installed
 it and there is a wealth of information there. Certainly enough to get
 started with.

I was talking about cmd.exe. That's the shell on Windows isn't it?

I thought Powershell shipped with my version of Vista (business) but I
guess I was wrong.

 
 BTW, many people consider 'man' to be an acronym for Much About
 Nothing. Therein lies the reason that O'Reilly has make a fortune
 distributing 'How-To' books.

I own a shelf full of O'Reilly books. If I get my softs for free, I
don't mind paying for extra documentation.

When I pay for software, I expect it to be thoroughly documented (à la
AutoCAD with a big thick manual).

 
 I'm looking for an OS with a sane file hierarchy and a shell I can use
 to manage the files therein. An editor better than Notepad would be a
 bonus too.
 
 Wrong, you are looking for a specific OS 

Software installasion (Was: Re: Wine without X)

2009-03-28 Thread Mel Flynn
On Saturday 28 March 2009 13:06:44 Robert Huff wrote:
 Mel Flynn writes:
Can I ask one more possibly really dumb question, to which I
 can find no answer: Is there a 'conventional', or sensible
 for one reason oranother, place to download application source to?
 
   Most systems I use or inherited use a variation of ~/src ~/cvs or
   ~/svn, where src are the tarballs + their extracted source and
   cvs/svn checkouts and/or exports.

   I have never done this, but if I were running a private ports
 tree I would be tempted to root it (if not on a separate partition)
 at /usr/priv_ports or something similar and have the structure
 minic /usr/ports whereever possible.  The name would then be
 semi-intuitive, and a simple change of a few environment variables
 (perhaps in the login file of an account dedicated to working on
 those ports) would be all it took to change the framework.

A private portstree (as in: uses the ports framework for compiling and 
installing software, including registering the port in /var/db/pkg) is best 
kept in /usr/ports/local. One needs to set VALID_CATEGORIES=local in 
/etc/make.conf and optionally add SUBDIR+=local in /usr/ports/Makefile.local 
if one cares about the ports ending up in the INDEX and make search.

Ideally software not registering itself inside /var/db/pkg (as in software 
compiled by hand) should NOT be installed in $LOCALBASE (/usr/local by 
default) as there is no guarantee through the ports CONFLICTS mechanism, that 
a port overwrites files installed by your hand-compiled software.

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Re: nvidia-drivers crash computer on X start

2009-03-28 Thread rasz

Anders Holmström wrote:

did you try
Option AllowEmptyInput off

in Serverlayout section under screen, keyboard, mouse?



I was  told by a guy on the nvnews.net forums that I should put
machdep.disable_mtrrs=1 in my /boot/loader.conf. Apparently he had had
the same problem and he said it was because he had more than 2 gigs of
ram. He had solved it by that setting, and later by simply removing
the ram. I have 4 gigs, and the setting did work for me. HOWEVER, now
that I startx it's impossible to move the mouse/use the keyboard. It
also complaints about not being able to locate driver kbd and driver
mouse, plus mentions AllowEmptyInput as the culprit. I tried
disabling it but it in xorg.conf, but didn't help on the input device
issue. X still started though.

I didn't think the two were related, but based on your post I guess
they are. You could (or somebody else) possibly enlighten me a bit
more about the relationship, or point me in the right direction? man
xorg.conf didn't give much info.

  
i am not sure about the machdep setting there so i cc'd the mailing list 
maybe someone else can help you there.
about the AllowEmptyInput however, there is some info in ports/UPDATING 
round about when xorg was updated because I
am not sure if you said you disabled the mouse from xorg config instead 
of moused in etc/rc.conf ( if that is what you said).
i have moused_enable=NO in etc/rc.conf and add Option 
AllowEmptyInput off in xorg.conf.new right after a Xorg -configure.
also, i think you have to test cuz ppl get different setting to work 
depending their hardware, but i have had similar problem as you

with moused enabled and AllowEm...added. ( i have only 1gb memory fyi)
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Re: nvidia-drivers crash computer on X start

2009-03-28 Thread Mel Flynn
On Saturday 28 March 2009 13:53:43 Anders Holmström wrote:

 The current xorg.conf I'm using is listed below. It was generated with
 X -configure. I've used many different xorg.confs, but they've all
 more or less been using the same settings as below, except when I
 tried NvAGP which didn't seem to work either (unless I was missing
 something).

When using NvAGP, /boot/device.hints MUST contain a line that disables agp.

 In dmesg.boot this is displayed:
 ###
 nvidia0: GeForce 8800 GTS 512 on vgapci0
 vgapci0: child nvidia0 requested pci_enable_busmaster
 vgapci0: child nvidia0 requested pci_enable_io
 vgapci0: child nvidia0 requested pci_enable_io

Harmless, as these interfaces are still supported. It should be seen as 
deprecation warning.

 nvidia0: [GIANT-LOCKED]
 nvidia0: [ITHREAD]
 ###

 I have tried reinstalling xorg-server and nvidia-driver many times.
 I've also had the same problem on a completely different FreeBSD
 install on the same computer, before a broken HDD forced me to
 reinstall completely. It was the same BSD version. I've made sure that
 the driver is actually loaded with kldstat, and have not used kldload
 nvidia as it's said that it's best to put an entry in
 /boot/loader.conf and restart instead. /dev/nvidia0 and /dev/nvidiactl
 show up after the drivers are installed and the computer rebooted.
 I've tried disabling FreeBSD AGP and using NvAGP instead, but the
 exact same thing happens. My card is a GeForce 8800 GTS 512 MB, and is
 supported by the drivers.

You properly walked all avenues that would resolve a configuration issue on 
your part. There's one more to try, disable the composite extension, yet this 
is a long shot if not using a window manager that uses composite.

Section Extensions
Option Composite disable
EndSection

If that does not help, then the proper action would be to file a bug report 
with nvidia, using the nvidia-bug-report.sh script, that unfortunately isn't 
installed by the port.

It's easiest to get a hold of that script using:
make -C /usr/ports/x11/nvidia-driver extract
cp `make -C /usr/ports/x11/nvidia-driver -V WRKSRC`/obj/*.sh .
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Re: How to list all the installed packages...

2009-03-28 Thread Mel Flynn
On Friday 27 March 2009 10:12:57 Jan Henrik Sylvester wrote:

 Is there anything about build dependencies in cutleaves?

 http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ports/ports-mgmt/pkg_cutleaves/files/
pkg_cutleaves?rev=1.2

 I do not see it at a quick glance.

No. Typically one knows the leaves that one has installed for a reason. Build 
dependencies are the rest. While not 100% perfect it covers the practical 
usage case.
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Re: nmap as user works, root doesn't

2009-03-28 Thread Mel Flynn
On Thursday 26 March 2009 03:39:15 Jimmie James wrote:
 Can anyone make sense of this?
 Straight DSL connection, no router.
 using -e [any interface] results in the same errors

 nmap-4.76

 As root:
 #nmap -v -v google.ca

 Starting Nmap 4.76 ( http://nmap.org ) at 2009-03-25 22:35 EDT
 Warning: Hostname google.ca resolves to 3 IPs. Using 64.233.161.104.
 WARNING: Unable to find appropriate interface for system route to
 64.230.197.58
 nexthost: failed to determine route to 64.233.161.104
 QUITTING!

Search google for pppoe+nnmap. Haven't seen a solution for this on any of my 
gateways, so I'm simply using a machine behind it to do my bidding.
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Too many active children of 'whole'

2009-03-28 Thread Saifi Khan
Hi:

Using FreeBSD 8.x snapshot 200902, On a 160GB SATA HDD, 
i tried creating a 25GB slice and then selected 
'install a standard MBR (no boot manager)',
the installer gave a warning as:

Disk Slicing warning:
 Too many active children of 'whole'

What exactly does this mean ?


thanks
Saifi.

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Re: how to configure xbiff

2009-03-28 Thread Mel Flynn
On Thursday 26 March 2009 16:39:18 Frank Shute wrote:
 ~/.xinitrc is only run when you use startx and ~/.xsession is used
 when you run the display manager xdm(1).

 I believe kdm also uses xsession.

 This is all IIRC. I haven't used a display manager for sometime and
 I've never used kdm.

Default kdm simply runs startkde. You will have to set your session to 
custom in the login screen. Then .xsession will be used to set up your 
environment and is responsible for starting startkde in the end to use KDE.

On the plus side, once done, your next login will again use the custom 
session.

Of course, one may also use kmailnotify.
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Re: installing freebsd on windows

2009-03-28 Thread Jerry
On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 15:49:48 +
Frank Shute fr...@shute.org.uk wrote:


 Virtual desktops. What are you referring to? Visit the power toys URL
 for further information.
 
 http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/Downloads/powertoys/Xppowertoys.mspx

Thanks for that. Did they use to be called PowerTools? I downloaded
them a few years ago but it didn't come with virtual desktops. 

I don't remember. Maybe. They have had virtual desktops for years
though.
 
 Why do I have to Google the info? Shouldn't there be a copy of the
 info locally?
 
 Not necessarily. Many people don't want to clutter up their system
 with documentation that they will never use. I certainly don't. If I
 actually need an obscure bit of information, I can always obtain it.

And when your 'net connection is down, then you can obtain it?

I maintain the Handbook locally. It's no effort and can save my bacon
for whenever I don't have 'net access.

If the connection is down, I am probably NOT using the PC. Hell, if the
power is out for more than 30 minutes, my UPS is dead so I am most
definitely not using the machine. 

 I can google for unbroken filemanagers, documented shells, install
 cygwin etc. but the software as it stands is horribly inadequate and
 undocumented.

 In your opinion. I never have a problem finding what I am looking
 for.

 You can read the source can you? I can't.

 If you are referring to the source code; well that is obvious. If
 something else, then what? People get paid to develop the software.
 If they gave it away, they would not make a living, the unemployment
 lines would swell, and crime would increase. Now, if you don't
 believe in a capitalistic system of free enterprise, please come
 over and paint my house this weekend. I promise not to insult you by
 offering to pay you.

You've fallen hook, line  sinker for the broken windows fallacy.

I support free software with a subscription to TUG. It's not my job to
keep software developers in employment though.

I am strong believer in the free enterprise system. It is certainly not
your responsibility to keep anyone employed. Use whatever you want.

 Maybe I'm just getting old but Vista documentation seems to be
 scattered to hell and west over the 'net - if you can find what
 you're looking for at all.
 
 Yes, it is fragmented. The simple fact that there is so much
 information is the cause, not the problem.

It maybe the cause but it's also a problem. There should be one page
on microsoft.com for each of their OSes where one can start looking
for info.

Are you joking? There all ready is. There is a home page for each of
their major products. From there you can pretty much wander anywhere
you want. I find it beyond belief that you cannot find one.

For instance, I did a search for cmd.exe commands on Google and it
didn't return a useful page from microsoft.com on the first page.
That's weak. What's even weaker is that cmd.exe isn't described in any
of the local documentation on Vista/XP.

1) That is a Google limitation.

On WinXP
2) START Help and Support
   type: cmd.exe into the search box

Honestly, have you actually tried? Honestly, that is pretty pathetic.

 Did you actually install the 'Power Shell?' I assume that is what you
 are talking about. Read the 'Getting Started pages. I just installed
 it and there is a wealth of information there. Certainly enough to
 get started with.

I was talking about cmd.exe. That's the shell on Windows isn't it?

I don't know. It is your system, you tell me.

I thought Powershell shipped with my version of Vista (business) but I
guess I was wrong.

You are incorrect. At least it did not ship with the original version of
Vista. That, like everything else, is subject to change.

 BTW, many people consider 'man' to be an acronym for Much About
 Nothing. Therein lies the reason that O'Reilly has make a fortune
 distributing 'How-To' books.

I own a shelf full of O'Reilly books. If I get my softs for free, I
don't mind paying for extra documentation.

I have a whole wall in my office filled with mostly O'Reilly books
dealing with everything from Postfix, Sendmail, etc. to common tasks
like Regular Expressions, Sed  Awk, ad-infinitum. Contrary to you
statement, the 'man' for most products, commands, etc. is usually quite
weak. Hence the acronym I previously described. At best it only touches
the surface. There are a few exceptions, but they are few and far
between.

When I pay for software, I expect it to be thoroughly documented (à la
AutoCAD with a big thick manual).

IBM did a study approximately 10 years ago regarding software
documentation included with the software. They found what most users all
ready knew; most end users NEVER read the documentation. They either use
on-line help or telephone support. IBM, Microsoft and most other major
software publishers saved millions by discarding what the end user was
all ready discarding; i.e. the MANUAL. Norton I believe is still one of
the few that produces a fairly concise 

Re: FreeBSD Networking Questions / vlan, lagg, routing, FIBs, ezjail

2009-03-28 Thread Peter Cornelius

 Now, it is my suspicion that the apparent need for promisc at the router
 end indeed is an apperent one and not really the router's fault but rather
 the other end's. The other end, in this case, is the server below.
 
 If the server, with its single MIB, default-routes its packets through one
 specific of its vlans which may not be the one, at the router's end, with
 the corresponding IP network the traffic entered into the net, would it be
 possible that there's something preventing them be received? Unless there's
 promisc on, of course...
 
 I'll grab the laptop next time I think of it and have the switch monitor
 traffic to it to see what really is on the wire, maybe that helps and gives
 me a clue. I just keep forgetting the bl**dy thing each time I leave...

Ok, after a good portion of fiddling with the switch, it seems that you cannot 
copy traffic from link-aggregated ports to a monitor port on a Linksys SRW2016. 
Now out at my wits end here it seems.

I'll try the FIB approach hopefully next week then.

  - On my server, is there any way to set up individual
   default routes (to the router) for each of the vlans short of
   tucking the ezjails behind the vlan interfaces each into their own
   FIB (btw,. has anyone ever done that?)?
  
  Yes, from FreeBSD-7.1 and beyond, there is support
  for up to 16 routing tables. Use the setfib command
  to select routing table for outgoing connections.
 
 So, I interpret your response as that I am correct, I have a single
 default route per FIB, and that's it. Which effectively means that I do need
 FIBs. I agree that this behaviour might make some sense :)
 
  Something like, setfib 10 jail $JAILOPTSANDARGS,
  in the jail case. You have to compile a kernel
  with the option ROUTETABLES=n. Read the message for
  revision 1.1485 from here:
  http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/sys/conf/NOTES
 
(...)
 Generally speaking, or rather, inquiring, has anyone ever done FIBs with
 ezjail? It probably is very easy, and I consider(ed) looking into it myself
 but I currently spend about max. an hour every 2-3 days on FreeBSE so I
 don't really progress. Well, might eventually, but that'll be dunno when. But
 well, such is life, and this is pleasure not work :) and I hope to learn
 something useful on the way.
(...)
 [1]  
 http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-arch/2007-December/007331.html

Regards,

Peter.
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Re: installing freebsd on windows

2009-03-28 Thread Wojciech Puchar

got completely off topic. please get that discussion off the list

FreeBSD is not windows program, but standalone OS. Possibly it can be run 
under windows and some kind of VM but it should be discussed on windows 
support list etc.

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Which is the best Free BSD for each of my computers?

2009-03-28 Thread Christopher Schneider

Free BSD Team,

iMac with the 2.8 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo with Mac OS X version 10.5.6

Model Name: iMac
Model Identifier:   iMac8,1
Processor Name: Intel Core 2 Duo
Processor Speed:2.8 GHz
Number Of Processors:   1
Total Number Of Cores:  2
L2 Cache:   6 MB
Memory: 2 GB
Bus Speed:  1.07 GHz
Boot ROM Version:   IM81.00C1.B00
SMC Version:1.30f1
Serial Number:  W88106UGZE4

- Break  
-


Gateway Laptop
MT6460 Notebook Specifications
Part Number: 2905931RGateway MT6460 Notebook

Feature Description
Processor   AMD Athlon™ 64 X2 Mobile Technology TK-53
1.7 GHz | 512 KB L2 cache | HyperTransport™ technology up to 1600 MHz
Chipset ATI RS485M
Display panel   15.4-inch WXGA (1280 × 800)
Memory  Installed memory: 1024 MB 667 MHz DDR2 SDRAM (2 × 512)
Total slots: 2 DDR2 slots | Available slots: 0 DDR2 slots
Video controllerIntegrated ATI Radeon® Xpress 1150
Up to 256 MB of HyperMemory™
Audio   High definition audio. 2 channel
Hard drive  80 GB 5400 RPM PATA hard drive


- Break  
-



Sony VAIO FRV37 - Pentium 4 2.8 GHz - 15  - 512 MB Ram - 60 GB HDD
General
System Type Notebook
Built-in DevicesStereo speakers
Width   13 in
Depth   10.8 in
Height  2.2 in
Weight  7.7 lbs
Processor
Processor   Intel Pentium 4 2.8 GHz
Data Bus Speed  533 MHz
Cache Memory
TypeL2 cache
Installed Size  512 KB
RAM
Installed Size  512 MB / 1 GB (max)
Technology  DDR SDRAM
Storage Controller
TypeIDE
Storage
Hard Drive  60 GB
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and what if anything, would having this software do in relation to my  
Apple TV?


Thank you for your time,

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Re: Wine without X

2009-03-28 Thread Chris Rees
2009/3/28 Robert Huff roberth...@rcn.com:

 Mel Flynn writes:

   Can I ask one more possibly really dumb question, to which I
    can find no answer: Is there a 'conventional', or sensible
    for one reason oranother, place to download application source to?

  Most systems I use or inherited use a variation of ~/src ~/cvs or
  ~/svn, where src are the tarballs + their extracted source and
  cvs/svn checkouts and/or exports.

        I have never done this, but if I were running a private ports
 tree I would be tempted to root it (if not on a separate partition)
 at /usr/priv_ports or something similar and have the structure
 minic /usr/ports whereever possible.  The name would then be
 semi-intuitive, and a simple change of a few environment variables
 (perhaps in the login file of an account dedicated to working on
 those ports) would be all it took to change the framework.


                                Robert Huff


I'm always inclined to use --PREFIX=/sw/local/ when compiling; I'm
used to Fink on my Mac, so /sw is a nice directory for that.

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Re: installing freebsd on windows

2009-03-28 Thread Harold Hartley

Wojciech Puchar wrote:

got completely off topic. please get that discussion off the list

FreeBSD is not windows program, but standalone OS. Possibly it can be 
run under windows and some kind of VM but it should be discussed on 
windows support list etc.

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I'm sorry that I even brought up the windows and freebsd questions if it 
was going to bring out such nonsense answers or atitudes from some.
I was always told that to learn about something is to ask the question 
no matter how silly it may be.


Harold


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Re: web based file sharing

2009-03-28 Thread Karl Vogel
 On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:13:12 +, 
 Terry te...@bluelight.org.uk said:

T Just looking for a way to give easy access over the internet to some files
T for multiple users. Web based would be ideal as they all know how to open a
T browser.

   Try drall, it's easy to set up and works like a charm.

   http://home.gna.org/drall/ was the original link, but it doesn't seem
   to be working today, so you might want to Google drall 1.17 and grab
   it from a mirror.

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Re: installing freebsd on windows

2009-03-28 Thread perryh
Jerry ges...@yahoo.com wrote:
 If the connection is down, I am probably NOT using the PC. Hell,
 if the power is out for more than 30 minutes, my UPS is dead so
 I am most definitely not using the machine.

So you never experience connectivity problems for any reason other
than a local power failure?  Astonishing!
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Heller-Johnson syndrome (Re: installing freebsd on windows)

2009-03-28 Thread perryh
 Heller's Law: The first myth of management is that it exists.

 Johnson's Corollary: Nobody really knows what is going on anywhere
  within the organization.

Author unknown: If someone *does* know what is going on in the
organization, that person must be fired.
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if anyone needs OOo 3.0.1 i386 package

2009-03-28 Thread Ghirai
Seeing as good-day.net only has packages for amd64,
i figured i'd make one; it only took about 9 hours or so :P

http://ghirai.com/openoffice.org-3.0.1.tbz (~130MiB)

Created with pkg_create -b on 7.1.
Tried to install on another box and it worked fine, provided you
have the required deps installed.

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Regards,
Ghirai.
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The FreeBSD Diary: 2009-03-28

2009-03-28 Thread Dan Langille
The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical 
examples and how-to guides.  This message is posted weekly
to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org with the aim of letting people
know what's available on the website.  Before you post a question
here it might be a good idea to first search the mailing list 
archives http://www.freebsd.org/search/search.html#mailinglists 
and/or The FreeBSD Diary http://www.freebsddiary.org/. 

RECENT ARTICLES:

2-Dec : Obscuring smtp auth headers
 If you consider your smtp-auth location to be private, this is what you 
want. 
 http://freebsddiary.org/smtp-headers-rewrite-auth.php?2

29-Nov : OpenVPN - creating a routed VPN
 If you have multiple VPN clients, this is a practical solution. 
 http://freebsddiary.org/openvpn-routed.php?2

27-Nov : Creating your own Certificate Authority
 How to create a CA and generate your own SSL certificates
 http://freebsddiary.org/openvpn-easy-rsa.php?2

27-Nov : OpenVPN - getting it running
 Using OpenVPN to create a secure pathway between home and office 
 http://freebsddiary.org/openvpn.php?2

5-Oct : Removing dead mailing lists from Mailman
 Mailing lists can outlive their usefulness 
 http://freebsddiary.org/mailman-removing-dead-lists.php?2

30-Aug : gmirror - recovering from a failed HDD
 an HDD failed.  gmirror to the rescue. 
 http://freebsddiary.org/gmirror-failure.php?2

6-Jul : ezjail - A jail administration framework
 This makes jails easier 
 http://freebsddiary.org/ezjail.php?2

24-Jun : Adding gmirror to an existing installation
 Adding RAID-1 to an existing FreeBSD 7 installation
 http://freebsddiary.org/gmirror.php?2

20-Mar : ThinkPad x61s
 Unpacking the box, installing PC-BSD 
 http://freebsddiary.org/thinkpad-x61s.php?2

17-Mar : Using two monitors with X.org
 The GeForce 8600 GT with two monitors 
 http://freebsddiary.org/xorg-two-screens.php?2


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Re: installing freebsd on windows

2009-03-28 Thread Michael Powell
Harold Hartley wrote:

 I am wondering if the freebsd team has ever thought of making freebsd to
 install on windows like ubuntu does.

Sorry - I am not quite certain what you mean by this. FreeBSD is an 
operating system, just as Windows, Linux, Solaris, etc are different 
operating systems.

If you mean as in a dual-boot configuration it is doable and has been done 
by users for many years. It is easiest to install Windows first and leave 
sufficient free space on the rest of the hard drive into which FreeBSD can 
be installed. As to boot loaders there is a choice to make, but some form of 
boot loader which presents a menu at boot time will enable one to choose 
which OS to enter.

Much of this requires knowledge a neophyte may not possess. While there is 
much excellent documentation within the FreeBSD project, it may not be easy 
stuff for the non-computer geek. However, with study, patience, and some 
degree of trial and error the knowledge is ultimately attainable.
 
 I'm just a person that can't afford more than one computer cause I live
 in a nursing home and I would like to be able to use one computer to
 choose what I want to boot into, such as windows or unbuntu and maybe a
 freebsd choice.

While I don't wish to enter the desktop flame war, FreeBSD can make an 
excellent desktop. There are even a couple of desktop oriented projects 
which are probably easier for a beginner to get going with. 

One thing you should probably be aware of though - in spite of the above 
statement FreeBSD has historically been more server oriented. If you are not 
a system administrator in a data center running servers there is less 
impetus for you to choose it as a desktop OS. If you are already utilizing a 
Linux desktop such as Ubuntu with Gnome or KDE and are satisfied you may 
only be duplicating your efforts for no real particular advantage. FreeBSD 
is historically a better server operating system.
 
 I don't always want to boot into windows, except for the 3 apps I have
 to use windows for.

Lol! The opposite is true for me. I keep a VirtualBox VM with Windows XP 
handy in case I need some Windows app temporarily (Office). 
 
 I do boot into ubuntu 90% of the time and enjoy it so much, but I have
 read about freebsd and researched it fully and I wish I could be able to
   run freebsd as with all the apps freebsd has to offer. I would love to
 be able to install freebsd under windows so I could choose freebsd to
 boot into when I want.

If you have a sufficiently powerful machine you can use a Virtual Machine 
such as VMware or VirtualBox where you can install and run other operating 
systems in a virtual environment. This is opposed to the dual-boot described 
above, as it enables you to run multiple Virtual computers at the same 
time - no need to reboot. This is also a great way to go if you want to 
experiment with varieties of different software(s) without trashing your 
main operating system. These VMs are all available as packages for Ubuntu.
 
 I hope to hear from freebsd about my request, and by the way, I'm not a
 linux expert so I don't know everything about linux, but I'm always
 learning.
 

IMHO learning is a good thing. You should know that we are not FreeBSD, 
but rather a mailing list of people who use FreeBSD. Communities of 
aficionados will be quite diverse, but while many in a hardcore Unix group 
will be sympathetic to a point many others will not. YMMV

I noticed quite a few years ago a striking difference between the 
Microsoftian Windows world and Unix. Many in the Windows world pop a disk in 
a machine and click OK in a dialog box a few dozen times and consider 
themselves instant Computer Knowledgeable. I work in both environments and 
one thing attracting me more to the Unix world was the fact that many more 
Unix workers were college graduates with Computer Science degrees. It is 
very easy for such highly educated individuals to look down upon those from 
the Windows universe. One group knows what the other is missing, in spite of 
the fact the other may not. Couple that with geeky personalities in general 
and it can be abrasive at times. Such highly educated people typically can 
seem somewhat intolerant towards those who haven't yet acquired a certain 
ground floor skill level. Many others are more welcoming when they perceive 
someone who truly wants to learn. again: YMMV! 

Don't let it discourage you from learning. Learning new stuff constantly is 
a good thing, and if you don't push a little into uncharted territory you'll 
stagnate, and that's just not interesting. Just my $.02:-)

-Mike
 



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Re: if anyone needs OOo 3.0.1 i386 package

2009-03-28 Thread Tim Judd
On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 5:24 PM, Ghirai ghi...@ghirai.com wrote:

 Seeing as good-day.net only has packages for amd64,
 i figured i'd make one; it only took about 9 hours or so :P

 http://ghirai.com/openoffice.org-3.0.1.tbz (~130MiB)

 Created with pkg_create -b on 7.1.
 Tried to install on another box and it worked fine, provided you
 have the required deps installed.

 --
 Regards,
 Ghirai.




What options (config), if any, did you build with?
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qemu-launcher problem

2009-03-28 Thread AN
I am trying to run qemu-launcher from the command line and receive the 
following error:


# qemu-launcher
Xlib:  extension Generic Event Extension missing on display :0.0.
Xlib:  extension Generic Event Extension missing on display :0.0.
Xlib:  extension Generic Event Extension missing on display :0.0.
Xlib:  extension Generic Event Extension missing on display :0.0.
Xlib:  extension Generic Event Extension missing on display :0.0.
Xlib:  extension Generic Event Extension missing on display :0.0.
Gtk-WARNING **: GtkSpinButton: setting an adjustment with non-zero page 
size is deprecated at /usr/local/bin/qemu-launcher line 2000.
Gtk-WARNING **: GtkSpinButton: setting an adjustment with non-zero page 
size is deprecated at /usr/local/bin/qemu-launcher line 2000.
Gtk-WARNING **: GtkSpinButton: setting an adjustment with non-zero page 
size is deprecated at /usr/local/bin/qemu-launcher line 2000.
Gtk-WARNING **: GtkSpinButton: setting an adjustment with non-zero page 
size is deprecated at /usr/local/bin/qemu-launcher line 2000.
Gtk-WARNING **: GtkSpinButton: setting an adjustment with non-zero page 
size is deprecated at /usr/local/bin/qemu-launcher line 2000.
Gtk-WARNING **: GtkSpinButton: setting an adjustment with non-zero page 
size is deprecated at /usr/local/bin/qemu-launcher line 2000.
Gtk-WARNING **: GtkSpinButton: setting an adjustment with non-zero page 
size is deprecated at /usr/local/bin/qemu-launcher line 2000.
Gtk-WARNING **: GtkSpinButton: setting an adjustment with non-zero page 
size is deprecated at /usr/local/bin/qemu-launcher line 2000.
Gtk-WARNING **: GtkSpinButton: setting an adjustment with non-zero page 
size is deprecated at /usr/local/bin/qemu-launcher line 2000.
Gtk-WARNING **: GtkSpinButton: setting an adjustment with non-zero page 
size is deprecated at /usr/local/bin/qemu-launcher line 2000.
Gtk-WARNING **: GtkSpinButton: setting an adjustment with non-zero page 
size is deprecated at /usr/local/bin/qemu-launcher line 2000.
Gtk-WARNING **: GtkSpinButton: setting an adjustment with non-zero page 
size is deprecated at /usr/local/bin/qemu-launcher line 2000.
Gtk-WARNING **: GtkSpinButton: setting an adjustment with non-zero page 
size is deprecated at /usr/local/bin/qemu-launcher line 2000.
Gtk-WARNING **: GtkSpinButton: setting an adjustment with non-zero page 
size is deprecated at /usr/local/bin/qemu-launcher line 2000.
Gtk-WARNING **: GtkSpinButton: setting an adjustment with non-zero page 
size is deprecated at /usr/local/bin/qemu-launcher line 2000.
Gtk-WARNING **: GtkSpinButton: setting an adjustment with non-zero page 
size is deprecated at /usr/local/bin/qemu-launcher line 2000.
Gtk-WARNING **: GtkSpinButton: setting an adjustment with non-zero page 
size is deprecated at /usr/local/bin/qemu-launcher line 2000.
Gtk-WARNING **: GtkSpinButton: setting an adjustment with non-zero page 
size is deprecated at /usr/local/bin/qemu-launcher line 2000.
Gtk-WARNING **: GtkSpinButton: setting an adjustment with non-zero page 
size is deprecated at /usr/local/bin/qemu-launcher line 2000.
Gtk-WARNING **: GtkSpinButton: setting an adjustment with non-zero page 
size is deprecated at /usr/local/bin/qemu-launcher line 2000.
Gtk-WARNING **: GtkSpinButton: setting an adjustment with non-zero page 
size is deprecated at /usr/local/bin/qemu-launcher line 2000.
Gtk-WARNING **: GtkSpinButton: setting an adjustment with non-zero page 
size is deprecated at /usr/local/bin/qemu-launcher line 2000.
Gtk-WARNING **: GtkSpinButton: setting an adjustment with non-zero page 
size is deprecated at /usr/local/bin/qemu-launcher line 2000.
Gtk-WARNING **: GtkSpinButton: setting an adjustment with non-zero page 
size is deprecated at /usr/local/bin/qemu-launcher line 2000.
Gtk-WARNING **: GtkSpinButton: setting an adjustment with non-zero page 
size is deprecated at /usr/local/bin/qemu-launcher line 2000.
Gtk-WARNING **: GtkSpinButton: setting an adjustment with non-zero page 
size is deprecated at /usr/local/bin/qemu-launcher line 2000.
Gtk-WARNING **: GtkSpinButton: setting an adjustment with non-zero page 
size is deprecated at /usr/local/bin/qemu-launcher line 2000.
Gtk-WARNING **: GtkSpinButton: setting an adjustment with non-zero page 
size is deprecated at /usr/local/bin/qemu-launcher line 2000.
Gtk-WARNING **: GtkSpinButton: setting an adjustment with non-zero page 
size is deprecated at /usr/local/bin/qemu-launcher line 2000.
Gtk-WARNING **: GtkSpinButton: setting an adjustment with non-zero page 
size is deprecated at /usr/local/bin/qemu-launcher line 2000.
Gtk-WARNING **: GtkSpinButton: setting an adjustment with non-zero page 
size is deprecated at /usr/local/bin/qemu-launcher line 2000.

Bad system call: 12 (core dumped)

I am running 7-stable amd64, Xorg7.4, gnome 2.24.3, qemu-0.10.1_1, 
kqemu-kmod-devel-1.4.0.p1_2, qemu-launcher-1.7.4_2.   Any help is 
appreciated.

What other info can I provide to troubleshoot?

TIA
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Re: Can't upgrade to 7.1-RELEASE

2009-03-28 Thread Reinis Ivanovs
I thought I should mention that I'm booting off of ZFS, perhaps that's
related to my problem.

R. http://dabas.untu.ms/



On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 02:41, Reinis Ivanovs da...@untu.ms wrote:
 Hello,

 I'm trying to upgrade a 7.0 system to 7.1-RELEASE, and it isn't
 working. I switch to the superuser, do freebsd-update upgrade -r
 7.1-RELEASE, and then when I try running freebsd-update install, I
 get this:

 .chflags: ///.profile: Operation not supported

 Any hints as to what could be the problem?

 Best,
 R. http://dabas.untu.ms/

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Can't upgrade to 7.1-RELEASE

2009-03-28 Thread Reinis Ivanovs
Hello,

I'm trying to upgrade a 7.0 system to 7.1-RELEASE, and it isn't
working. I switch to the superuser, do freebsd-update upgrade -r
7.1-RELEASE, and then when I try running freebsd-update install, I
get this:

 .chflags: ///.profile: Operation not supported

Any hints as to what could be the problem?

Best,
R. http://dabas.untu.ms/
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Re: Can't upgrade to 7.1-RELEASE

2009-03-28 Thread Olivier Nicole
Hi,

 .chflags: ///.profile: Operation not supported

Could that be that you are running with some kernel security level?

sysctl -a |grep kern.securelevel

And that your file /.profile has some flag set on it?

ls -lo ./profile

Then you will need to reboot in a lower level so you can either remove
the flag (chflags(1)) and/or complete the install.

Best regards,

Olivier


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gvinum RAID 5+0?

2009-03-28 Thread Mike Manlief

Hello,

How does one configure gvinum for RAID 5+0 (distributed parity nested in 
stripe)?  The configuration I've tried seems to be incorrect.


Config:
drive a device /dev/ad10
drive b device /dev/ad12
drive c device /dev/ad14
drive d device /dev/ad4
drive e device /dev/ad6
drive f device /dev/ad8

volume storage
  plex org striped 512k
 plex org raid5 512k
sd length 953869m drive a
sd length 953869m drive b
sd length 953869m drive c
 plex org raid5 512k
sd length 953869m drive d
sd length 953869m drive e
sd length 953869m drive f

What gvinum creates:
6 drives:
D f State: up/dev/ad8A: 0/953869 MB (0%)
D e State: up/dev/ad6A: 0/953869 MB (0%)
D d State: up/dev/ad4A: 0/953869 MB (0%)
D c State: up/dev/ad14A: 0/953869 MB (0%)
D b State: up/dev/ad12A: 0/953869 MB (0%)
D a State: up/dev/ad10A: 0/953869 MB (0%)

1 volume:
V storage   State: upPlexes:   3Size:   1863 GB

3 plexes:
P storage.p2 R5 State: upSubdisks: 3Size:   1863 GB
P storage.p1 R5 State: upSubdisks: 3Size:   1863 GB
P storage.p0  S State: downSubdisks: 0Size:  
0  B


6 subdisks:
S storage.p2.s2 State: upD: fSize:931 GB
S storage.p2.s1 State: upD: eSize:931 GB
S storage.p2.s0 State: upD: dSize:931 GB
S storage.p1.s2 State: upD: cSize:931 GB
S storage.p1.s1 State: upD: bSize:931 GB
S storage.p1.s0 State: upD: aSize:931 GB

Thanks,
Mike Manlief
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Re: [pkg_add] PACKAGESITE weirdness - URL not correct for dependencies?

2009-03-28 Thread L Campbell
On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 7:37 AM, Mel Flynn
mel.flynn+fbsd.questi...@mailing.thruhere.net wrote:
 On Thursday 26 March 2009 21:46:07 L Campbell wrote:
 Okay, so apparently there's some serious weirdness in the logic in
 src/usr.sbin/pkg_install/lib/url.c, in fileGetURL. This function takes
 two parameters, base and spec, and has the following behavior --

 snip behavior and patch

 Yes, it is a bit counter-intuitive. However it's documented in the pkg_add(1)
 manpage that PACKAGESITE should resolve to the full URL where packages can be
 found (even the trailing slash).

The additional stipulation that any dependent packages must be in an
../All/ directory relative to the path of the initial package is an
undocumented feature.

It's a bit counter-intuitive, but once it works, it works.
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analyzing httpd-error.log

2009-03-28 Thread Charles Howse

Hi,
I'm running 6.4-STABLE, Apache22, logwatch and Webalizer.

Webalizer is doing what it's supposed to with httpd-access.log, but  
when I give it the error log to process is coughs, spits and spills  
out errors with no data processed.  My research hasn't turned up a  
good solution for webalizer and -error.log.


In httpd.conf, I'm using both common and combined log formats.   
Webalizer will read them both.


With logwatch, and even with the log detail turned up to 7, I'm not  
getting the detail I want from the error.log.  I want to see  
*everything* in that log.


Anybody got a solution?


--
Thanks,
Charles

Things that make you say, Hmm...
If you were a pastor, and you were getting married, would you hire a  
pastor, or would you do the wedding yourself?


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Stock OpenSSL is multithread or not?

2009-03-28 Thread Olivier Nicole
Hi,

I am trying to use Pound (/usr/ports/www/pound). From the
documentation I read;

Warning: as Pound is a multi-threaded program it requires a
version of OpenSSL with thread support. This is normally the case
on Linux and Solaris (for example) but not on *BSD.

Is that still true on FreeBSD 6.4 RELENG amd64? And should I install
another version of OpenSSL that includes threads?

TIA,

Olivier
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Re: analyzing httpd-error.log

2009-03-28 Thread Olivier Nicole
Hi,

 Webalizer is doing what it's supposed to with httpd-access.log, but  
 when I give it the error log to process is coughs, spits and spills  
 out errors with no data processed.  My research hasn't turned up a  
 good solution for webalizer and -error.log.

The format of error log is pretty much different from the format of
transfer log. No wonder webalizer is not liking it. You may have to
write your own format for th error log.

Bests,

Olivier
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