Re: new package system proposal

2009-04-09 Thread Jonathan McKeown
On Wednesday 08 April 2009 21:24:00 Bob Johnson wrote:
 PC-BSD seems to already keep up-to-date binary packages of their
 applications. Do they accomplish that by only offering a small subset
 of the full ports collection?

Yes - have a look at http://www.pbidir.com/. I installed PC-BSD on a spare 
machine to investigate it. The first three ports/metaports I tried to install 
after completing the base setup were emacs, TeTeX and the Psi Jabber/XMPP 
client. None of those was available, and after seeing how few prebuilt 
packages there were in all categories, I gave up.

My personal view is that PC-BSD gives the end user an impressive and 
reasonably slick computer-as-appliance with some ability to customise and 
still stay ``on the path''. For people who need that, PC-BSD is what they 
need. My feeling, though, is that anyone who finds themselves wanting to 
install a bunch of stuff from outside the PBI system (in other words, from 
ports, which are still there under the hood of PC-BSD) will soon want to 
switch to mainstream FreeBSD. As such PC-BSD has the potential to be an 
effective ``gateway drug''(!)

Jonathan
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cannot kill process with kill -9

2009-04-09 Thread Pieter Donche

FreeBSD 7:
I have a mount_nfs process that refuses to get killed :
# ps -jaxw | grep mount
root   60342 1 60289 602890 D ??0:00.00 mount_nfs 
fenix.cmi.ua.ac.be:/opt /home/nfs/fenix/opt

This was called from a script, run bij root cron during the night
(does an NFS mount of a file system of a remote system and makes a backup)
I killed the parent processes: the shell executing the script, the script,
the mount process that calls mount_nfs, leaving me with that last
remaining process:

# kill -9 60342   doesn't do anything
# kill -9 -60289  (60289 is the PGID, see man kill)
doesn't do anything either

How to I get this process killed?
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Private Shore Excursions-Turkey

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Dump/Restore

2009-04-09 Thread Daniels Vanags
Please Help! After dump-restore /dev, /proc, /usr/compat/linux/proc - is
empty, system fealure to boot. Please guide me, how to dump/restore
devfs.

 

 df -h

Filesystem SizeUsed   Avail Capacity  Mounted on

/dev/mirror/gm0s1a 52G 37G 11G78%/

devfs 1.0K1.0K  0B   100%/dev

procfs   4.0K4.0K  0B   100%/proc

linprocfs4.0K4.0K  0B   100%
/usr/compat/linux/proc

 

 

 

 

 

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Driver Problem: Broadcom NetXtreme Gigabit Ethernet

2009-04-09 Thread Alexander Tarasov
Hi, All!

After installing FreeBSD 7.1 I've got problem with my network card.

[root ~]# uname -a
FreeBSD  7.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 7.1-RELEASE #1: Thu Apr  9 13:34:46 NOVST
2009 root@:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/LAPTOP  i386
[root ~]# pciconf -lv
... cut ...
no...@pci0:6:0:0:class=0x02 card=0x014b1025
chip=0x168414e4 rev=0x10 hdr=0x00
vendor = 'Broadcom Corporation'
class  = newtwork
subclass   = ethernet
[root ~]# dmesg | grep bge
[root ~]# ifconfig -a
lo0: flags=8049UP,LOOPBACK,RUNNING,MULTICAST metric 0 mtu 16384
 inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff00

I've compiled my kernel with device miibus and device bge (my
kernel config is GENERIC without FireWare  RAIDs).

What does it mean? Is somethere driver for this card?

Sorry for my terrible English =)

Alexander V Tarasov
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Re: Dump/Restore

2009-04-09 Thread Olivier Nicole
 Please Help! After dump-restore /dev, /proc, /usr/compat/linux/proc - is
 empty, system fealure to boot. Please guide me, how to dump/restore
 devfs.

I am not sure about /usr/compat/linux/proc but /dev and /proc are
created on the fly by the system:

Lines are added into /dev for each new device that the system detects
Lines are added into /proc for any new process started by the system

There is not reason to dump or restore them.

Bests.

Olivier
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Re: new package system proposal

2009-04-09 Thread n j
I'd like to use this opportunity to generally support this and any
other ideas taking direction of making binary installs and upgrades
easier and more manageable. I recognize the need for people to
configure custom options and compile from ports (that is why any new
system *must* be compatible with ports), however, it should be noted
that there's a lot of people running simple LAMP servers, almost
exclusively using default options, who would greatly benefit from
better binary package support.

I've already ranted about this
(http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2008-December/188119.html)
in a slightly different context (I talked about -SECURITY equivalent
instead of -DESKTOP that the OP suggests) with almost the same idea -
make it easy for people who are interested in running stable, secure
servers do binary upgrades without the hassle of going through a major
system recompile because of, for example, openldap shared library
version bump.

Regards,
-- 
Nino
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Re: Driver Problem: Broadcom NetXtreme Gigabit Ethernet

2009-04-09 Thread Chris Rees
2009/4/9 Alexander Tarasov mr.ta...@gmail.com:
 Hi, All!

 After installing FreeBSD 7.1 I've got problem with my network card.

 [root ~]# uname -a
 FreeBSD  7.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 7.1-RELEASE #1: Thu Apr  9 13:34:46 NOVST
 2009 root@:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/LAPTOP  i386
 [root ~]# pciconf -lv
 ... cut ...
 no...@pci0:6:0:0:        class=0x02 card=0x014b1025
 chip=0x168414e4 rev=0x10 hdr=0x00
    vendor     = 'Broadcom Corporation'
    class      = newtwork
    subclass   = ethernet
 [root ~]# dmesg | grep bge
 [root ~]# ifconfig -a
 lo0: flags=8049UP,LOOPBACK,RUNNING,MULTICAST metric 0 mtu 16384
         inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff00

 I've compiled my kernel with device miibus and device bge (my
 kernel config is GENERIC without FireWare  RAIDs).

 What does it mean? Is somethere driver for this card?

 Sorry for my terrible English =)

 Alexander V Tarasov
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Are you sure you didn't comment out any miibus lines or anything like
that? Try with the GENERIC kernel, and kldload bge to see what
happens.

Chris


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Re: Dump/Restore

2009-04-09 Thread Jonathan Chen
On Thu, Apr 09, 2009 at 10:50:49AM +0300, Daniels Vanags wrote:
 Please Help! After dump-restore /dev, /proc, /usr/compat/linux/proc - is
 empty, system fealure to boot. Please guide me, how to dump/restore
 devfs.

These are pseudo file systems, and are dynamically managed by the
system. You aren't expected to back them up.

If you're system failed to boot, how did you inspect the filesystem?
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Ответ: Driver Problem: Broadcom Ne tXtreme Gigabit Ethernet

2009-04-09 Thread Alexander Tarasov
With GENERIC I have same problem.
My network card is Broadcom NetXtreme Gigabit Ethernet.. (14e4:1684
subsystem 1025:014b).
I think, it's BCM5764.

2009/4/9, Chris Rees utis...@googlemail.com:
 2009/4/9 Alexander Tarasov mr.ta...@gmail.com:
 Hi, All!

 After installing FreeBSD 7.1 I've got problem with my network card.

 [root ~]# uname -a
 FreeBSD  7.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 7.1-RELEASE #1: Thu Apr  9 13:34:46 NOVST
 2009 root@:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/LAPTOP  i386
 [root ~]# pciconf -lv
 ... cut ...
 no...@pci0:6:0:0:        class=0x02 card=0x014b1025
 chip=0x168414e4 rev=0x10 hdr=0x00
    vendor     = 'Broadcom Corporation'
    class      = newtwork
    subclass   = ethernet
 [root ~]# dmesg | grep bge
 [root ~]# ifconfig -a
 lo0: flags=8049UP,LOOPBACK,RUNNING,MULTICAST metric 0 mtu 16384
         inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff00

 I've compiled my kernel with device miibus and device bge (my
 kernel config is GENERIC without FireWare  RAIDs).

 What does it mean? Is somethere driver for this card?

 Sorry for my terrible English =)

 Alexander V Tarasov
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 Are you sure you didn't comment out any miibus lines or anything like
 that? Try with the GENERIC kernel, and kldload bge to see what
 happens.

 Chris


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Re: Dump/Restore

2009-04-09 Thread Chris Rees
2009/4/9 Daniels Vanags daniels.van...@smpbank.lv:
 This is a source comp output, after dump/restore /dev is empty. I run 
 freesbie on target machine.

 -Original Message-
 From: Chris Rees [mailto:utis...@googlemail.com]
 Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 11:56 AM
 To: Daniels Vanags
 Subject: Re: Dump/Restore

 2009/4/9 Daniels Vanags daniels.van...@smpbank.lv:
 Please Help! After dump-restore /dev, /proc, /usr/compat/linux/proc - is
 empty, system fealure to boot. Please guide me, how to dump/restore
 devfs.



 df -h

 Filesystem                     Size    Used   Avail Capacity  Mounted on

 /dev/mirror/gm0s1a         52G     37G     11G    78%    /

 devfs                             1.0K    1.0K      0B   100%    /dev

 procfs                           4.0K    4.0K      0B   100%    /proc

 linprocfs                        4.0K    4.0K      0B   100%
 /usr/compat/linux/proc


 But /proc, /dev, and /u/c/l/proc are full in that df output...
 What are you talking about? Try ls /dev, and post that. Pretty sure it
 should be normal.



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You need to check then, that /dev is mounted.

# mount -t devfs devfs /dev

Chris

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Re: firefox3 with high latencies when acting with mouse or keyboard and graphics refresh

2009-04-09 Thread O. Hartmann

Jeff Laine wrote:

On Wed, Apr 08, 2009 at 01:42:56PM +, O. Hartmann wrote:

Hello,
got a problem since yesterday after having done a lot of updates 
(ports): on all of my FreeBSD 8.0-CURRENT/amd64 boxes firefox does have 
enormous high latencies when typing in or moving the mouse or popping up 
the window icon or down. Since this happens on all of 8.0-CUR/amd boxes, 
I guess it has something to do with an upgrade of the ports.


I reinstalled firefox twice, but without success, so I want to ask for 
some hints..


Regards,
Oliver



It is unlikely your case, but I've had similar issues with firefox on my laptop 
with intel video under 7.2-PRERELEASE.

Setting video driver option AccelMethod to old XAA mode in xorg.conf helped a 
lot.






It is NOT the way I try Acceleration or not or what driver the box uses, 
this happens with VESA, Radeon, RadeonHD as well. VESA worked before.
This is only on FreeBSD 8.0/amd64 with local displays. starting firefox3 
remotely, this problem does not occur. I guess due to a lot of updates 
in xorg-port there is again an issue. The never ending story with X11 
and wicked updates.

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Re: bsnmpd

2009-04-09 Thread Festin Alexander
В Wed, 8 Apr 2009 10:18:13 -0400
alexus ale...@gmail.com пишет:

 2009/4/8 Festin Alexander fes...@sakha.net:
  В Mon, 6 Apr 2009 16:08:32 -0400
  alexus ale...@gmail.com пишет:
 
  On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Vasadi I. Claudiu Florin
  claudiu.vas...@gmail.com wrote:
   All out of ideas. try with a script...maybe, i dnt know.
  
 
  I understand there is always that way, but I'd like to figure out
  the proper way
 
 
  How about to put some echo or logger into /etc/rc.d/bsnmpd for
  tracing script?
 
  I use bsnmpd and have no troubles.
 
 have you used it inside of jail? or in host environment? as i
 mentioned earlier it works fine in host, but not in jail...

hmm... I missed that. My works In host environment.
 
 
 
 

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Re: Dump/Restore

2009-04-09 Thread Wojciech Puchar

Please Help! After dump-restore /dev, /proc, /usr/compat/linux/proc - is
empty, system fealure to boot. Please guide me, how to dump/restore


it always should be - before mounted as pseudo-fs




devfs.




df -h


Filesystem SizeUsed   Avail Capacity  Mounted on

/dev/mirror/gm0s1a 52G 37G 11G78%/

devfs 1.0K1.0K  0B   100%/dev

procfs   4.0K4.0K  0B   100%/proc

linprocfs4.0K4.0K  0B   100%
/usr/compat/linux/proc











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find command question

2009-04-09 Thread Jay Hall
When using the find command with the -exec option, does the find  
command wait for the command being executed to finish before returning  
the next result?


For example, if I am using find -exec {} to copy files to tape, will  
find wait for the command to write the file to tape complete before it  
returns the next result?


Thanks,



Jay
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Re: no USB mice detected on GA-MA74GM-S2

2009-04-09 Thread Chris Rees
2009/4/9  piotr.smy...@heron.pl:
 On Wed, 08 Apr 2009 15:48:04 -0500, Robert Noland wrote
 On Wed, 2009-04-08 at 21:08 +0200, Piotr Smyrak wrote:
 
  I recently upgraded my system to newer hardware with
 motherboard
  GIGABYTE GA-MA74GM-S2 Rev 1.0 with AMD 740G chipset (north
 bridge)
  and AMD SB700 (south) where USB support is located. Everything
  would be fine except there is no USB mice detection by FreeBSD
 at
  all. And I am stuck with USB mise since the mobo has no PS/2
 port.
 
  First I started with my old build of 6.2, then upgraded to 6.4
  STABLE, to finally upgrade to 7.2 PRERELEASE in hope of fixing
 the
  issue. None of versions gave me USB mouse support. I have tried
  connecting 3 various mice. No luck. The only effect I can
 achieve
  after connecting a mouse, is a somewhat delayed message on
 console:

 rebuild/reinstall devel/libpciaccess now that you have
 updated kernel.

 I think I was not clear in my first post. My issue is the kernel
 does not recognizes my USB mice, so I get no /dev/ums* devices at
 all.

 I have made a clean install of all my ports after upgrade. Thanks
 for your suggestion.
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  piotr.smy...@heron.pl

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stack bug, which is fixed with the latest images. Be careful if you do
that though!

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Re: Xorg and nvidia-driver-173 ABI

2009-04-09 Thread RW
On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 07:19:31 -0400
Michael Powell nightre...@verizon.net wrote:

 RW wrote:
 
  I picked-up the most recent xorg update a couple of days ago, and
  since then X has been failing to start with the binary nvidia
  driver, and is leaving the following in Xorg.0.log:
  
(EE) NVIDIA(0): This video driver ABI is not supported.
(EE) NVIDIA(0): Use the -ignoreABI option to override this check.

 Have you rebuilt the nvidia-port after the xorg update? You might
 just need to do the make, make deinstall, make reinstall dance for
 the version you're using. This will rebuild the kernel module to
 match the new xorg.


Yes, I always do that, the driver installs a library that overwrites
one installed by Xorg, and doesn't work correctly otherwise.
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Re: Dump/Restore

2009-04-09 Thread Chris Rees
2009/4/9 Daniels Vanags daniels.van...@smpbank.lv:
 Please Help! After dump-restore /dev, /proc, /usr/compat/linux/proc - is
 empty, system fealure to boot. Please guide me, how to dump/restore
 devfs.



 df -h

 Filesystem                     Size    Used   Avail Capacity  Mounted on

 /dev/mirror/gm0s1a         52G     37G     11G    78%    /

 devfs                             1.0K    1.0K      0B   100%    /dev

 procfs                           4.0K    4.0K      0B   100%    /proc

 linprocfs                        4.0K    4.0K      0B   100%
 /usr/compat/linux/proc


But /proc, /dev, and /u/c/l/proc are full in that df output...
What are you talking about? Try ls /dev, and post that. Pretty sure it
should be normal.



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Re: cannot kill process with kill -9

2009-04-09 Thread Eray Aslan
On Thu, Apr 09, 2009 at 09:41:31AM +0200, Pieter Donche wrote:
 I have a mount_nfs process that refuses to get killed :
 # ps -jaxw | grep mount
 root   60342 1 60289 602890 D ??0:00.00 mount_nfs 
[...] 
 How to I get this process killed?

reboot.  You can't kill a process with a D flag.  Google for
uninterruptible sleep.

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Re: Xorg and nvidia-driver-173 ABI

2009-04-09 Thread Michael Powell
RW wrote:

 I picked-up the most recent xorg update a couple of days ago, and
 since then X has been failing to start with the binary nvidia driver,
 and is leaving the following in Xorg.0.log:
 
   (EE) NVIDIA(0): This video driver ABI is not supported.
   (EE) NVIDIA(0): Use the -ignoreABI option to override this check.
 
 -ignoreABI doesn't help.
 
 I presume that nvidia will eventually fix this for the current driver,
 but I'm using the legacy driver port x11/nvidia-driver-173. Is there any
 prospect of the nvidia driver working again on my hardware?
 
 If the answer is no, would the nv driver benefit from a switch from
 i386 to amd64.
 

Have you rebuilt the nvidia-port after the xorg update? You might just need 
to do the make, make deinstall, make reinstall dance for the version you're 
using. This will rebuild the kernel module to match the new xorg.

-Mike




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Re: new package system proposal

2009-04-09 Thread Polytropon
On Thu, 9 Apr 2009 09:16:12 +0200, Jonathan McKeown j.mcke...@ru.ac.za wrote:
 Yes - have a look at http://www.pbidir.com/. I installed PC-BSD on a spare 
 machine to investigate it. The first three ports/metaports I tried to install 
 after completing the base setup were emacs, TeTeX and the Psi Jabber/XMPP 
 client. None of those was available, and after seeing how few prebuilt 
 packages there were in all categories, I gave up.

The problem with PC-BSD is that it concentrates on the average
desktop user, read: the usual KDE user. That's why they have lots
of KDE stuff available and applications for common productivity
uses, as well as multimedia.

You made the mistake to choose software that is non-standard.
So teTeX? What's this? Who uses teTeX? Go use KOffice, man! :-)

I could say something similar about emacs and psi.

On PC-BSD, you can always use pkg_add or the ports collection, but
it may cause problems to do so. Allthough it's possible, it's
adviced to use the PBI installer.



 My personal view is that PC-BSD gives the end user an impressive and 
 reasonably slick computer-as-appliance with some ability to customise and 
 still stay ``on the path''. For people who need that, PC-BSD is what they 
 need.

That seems to bei their goal, yes. My neighbor uses it for some years
now and he's completely happy with it. In fact, he isn't interested
in FreeBSD, nor does he have fundamental UNIX knowledge, but he likes
KDE and the fact that he has not Windows on his machine (with all
the advantages this fact implies).



 My feeling, though, is that anyone who finds themselves wanting to 
 install a bunch of stuff from outside the PBI system (in other words, from 
 ports, which are still there under the hood of PC-BSD) will soon want to 
 switch to mainstream FreeBSD.

Take a look at DesktopBSD (their tools are even in the ports collection).
They stick to the ports and packages, but added some GUI stuff for
installation and administration, without doing a compatibility break
as PC-BSD does.



 As such PC-BSD has the potential to be an 
 effective ``gateway drug''(!)

In fact, it has.





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awk question

2009-04-09 Thread Oliver Fromme
Len Conrad lcon...@go2france.com wrote:
  
  We need to print a line when the 3rd field (with trailing ;
  delimiter) is, eg, exactly 5 lower case characters
  
  awk ' $3 ~ /^[a-z]{5,5};$/ {print $0} ' file 
  
  ... doesn't work.  

If ; is the delimiter character, you need to tell awk
about it (i.e. use the -F option).  This one should work:

awk  -F';'  '$3 ~ /^[a-z]{5}$/ {print}'  file

If that still doesn't work for you, please specify your
file format more exactly, and provide an example of the
input lines.

Best regards
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Re: cannot kill process with kill -9

2009-04-09 Thread Jacques Manukyan

Eray Aslan wrote:

On Thu, Apr 09, 2009 at 09:41:31AM +0200, Pieter Donche wrote:
  

I have a mount_nfs process that refuses to get killed :
# ps -jaxw | grep mount
root   60342 1 60289 602890 D ??0:00.00 mount_nfs 

[...] 
  

How to I get this process killed?



reboot.  You can't kill a process with a D flag.  Google for
uninterruptible sleep


There is a rare exception that doesn't always work. But you can find 
processes that have locked onto that mount point and kill those. Then 
try unmounting or killing that NFS mount.


Get lsof in /usr/ports/sysutils/lsof and see what's keeping that mount 
point open. Then kill those processes.


But again, this may not work. The only way to release processes marked 
with a D flag is to reboot.


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Forums FreeBSD

2009-04-09 Thread Johan Hendriks
Are the forums down from FreeBSD?

 

Regards,

Johan

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Re: Forums FreeBSD

2009-04-09 Thread Jacques Manukyan

Johan Hendriks wrote:

Are the forums down from FreeBSD?
  


They're down for me and have been all morning. I didn't see any 
maintenance notices so I have no idea if its an outage or if its planned.


-- Jacques Manukyan



 


Regards,

Johan

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Re: awk question

2009-04-09 Thread Polytropon
On Thu, 9 Apr 2009 15:32:51 +0200 (CEST), Oliver Fromme 
o...@lurza.secnetix.de wrote:
 If ; is the delimiter character, you need to tell awk
 about it (i.e. use the -F option).  This one should work:
 
 awk  -F';'  '$3 ~ /^[a-z]{5}$/ {print}'  file

You can even omit {print} because it's the default action
(to print the whole line, i. e. $0) when no action is given
for a pattern.

% awk  -F';' '$3 ~ /^[a-z]{5}$/' file

When using this in a shell, keep an eye on eventually needed
quoting or escaping of $.


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run_interrupt_driven_hooks

2009-04-09 Thread Seur Bors
Greetings,

I've purchased newer hardware (ASUS M3A78-EM, AMD Phenom 9650, 8GB Kingston
DDR2-800, 2 x WD 500GB SATA), and am attempting to install the FreeBSD 7.1
amd64 release.  The system boots off of the CD without err, and I have
chosen the default boot.

Everything looks good in the detection right up to the drives, and then, I
get the following errors, followed by a system stall:

run_interrupt_driven_hooks: still waiting after 60 seconds for xpt_config
run_interrupt_driven_hooks: still waiting after 120 seconds for xpt_config
run_interrupt_driven_hooks: still waiting after 180 seconds for xpt_config
run_interrupt_driven_hooks: still waiting after 240 seconds for xpt_config
run_interrupt_driven_hooks: still waiting after 300 seconds for xpt_config

I am googling now while posting this, but just wondering if anyone has a
quick tweak or fix that I can try to get this moving.  Thanks in advance, as
always!

Regards,

Seur Bors
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Loading sound drivers

2009-04-09 Thread af300wsm

Hi,

My motherboard, an ASUS K8V-X, has a generic type sound chip on board,  
according to ASUS' specifications, it is an AD1980 chipset. The hardware  
notes, linked from the handbook, does not list this chipset but does list  
several Intel type HDA chipsets including one AD1981 chipset. Never the  
less, using the handbook instructions I loaded the meta sound driver and my  
chipset was identified as a via8233 chipset. The meta driver loaded many  
drivers into the kernel, but through trial and error I've discovered that  
only sound.ko and snd_via8233.ko need to be loaded. So, I put these two  
lines into /boot/loader.conf:


sound=YES
snd_via8233=YES

However, these two modules do not load on bootup. Why? How do I fix this?

Thanks,
Andy
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Re: Dump/Restore

2009-04-09 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Thu, Apr 09, 2009 at 10:50:49AM +0300, Daniels Vanags wrote:

 Please Help! After dump-restore /dev, /proc, /usr/compat/linux/proc - is
 empty, system fealure to boot. Please guide me, how to dump/restore
 devfs.
 

  You only dump(8) file systems.   /dev /procfs /dev/mirror/..., etc
are not filesystems.   They are just directories.Don't dump them.
/procfs is not even a real directory so it goes away and gets repopulated
when the system boots again.

They all need to live in the '/' filesystem and of what is dumpable, gets
dumped when you dump / (the root filesystem).   

Unless I completely misunderstand what you are asking.

jerry


  
 
  df -h
 
 Filesystem SizeUsed   Avail Capacity  Mounted on
 
 /dev/mirror/gm0s1a 52G 37G 11G78%/
 
 devfs 1.0K1.0K  0B   100%/dev
 
 procfs   4.0K4.0K  0B   100%/proc
 
 linprocfs4.0K4.0K  0B   100%
 /usr/compat/linux/proc
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
 Daniel Vanags
 
 Information Technology  Department
 
 IT infrastructure system engineer
 
 
 
 JSC SMP Bank  www.smpbank.lv
 
 Phone:+371 67019386
 
 E-mail:   daniels.van...@smpbank.lv
 mailto:daniels.van...@smpbank.lv 
 
  
 
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Re: SATA controller not recognized in FBSD 7.1

2009-04-09 Thread Elliot Finley

Andrew wrote:

Hi Eliiot,


Elliot Finley wrote:

I've got two of these:

SUPERMICRO AOC-SAT2-MV8 64-bit PCI-X133MHz SATA Controller Card

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815121009

each with 8 1T Hitachi drives hanging off them.  When booting, I see 
all the drives scanned and recognized by the controller, but I don't 
see them in dmesg or /dev.


I'm using FreeBSD 7.1-R amd64.  Is there a special driver I need to 
load to get FreeBSD to recognize these?




nope, though according to 
http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=kern/120842

you need to disable the hptrr driver in the GENERIC kernel.


That worked, thank you.

Elliot
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Re: Loading sound drivers

2009-04-09 Thread Ricardo Jesus

af300...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi,

My motherboard, an ASUS K8V-X, has a generic type sound chip on board, 
according to ASUS' specifications, it is an AD1980 chipset. The hardware 
notes, linked from the handbook, does not list this chipset but does 
list several Intel type HDA chipsets including one AD1981 chipset. Never 
the less, using the handbook instructions I loaded the meta sound driver 
and my chipset was identified as a via8233 chipset. The meta driver 
loaded many drivers into the kernel, but through trial and error I've 
discovered that only sound.ko and snd_via8233.ko need to be loaded. So, 
I put these two lines into /boot/loader.conf:


sound=YES
snd_via8233=YES

However, these two modules do not load on bootup. Why? How do I fix this?

Thanks,
Andy
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From man snd_via8233:

Alternatively, to load the driver as a module at boot time, place the 
following line in loader.conf(5):


snd_via8233_load=YES
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Re: Loading sound drivers

2009-04-09 Thread kyanh
On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 14:47:15 +
af300...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,
 
 My motherboard, an ASUS K8V-X, has a generic type sound chip on
 board, according to ASUS' specifications, it is an AD1980 chipset.
 The hardware notes, linked from the handbook, does not list this
 chipset but does list several Intel type HDA chipsets including one
 AD1981 chipset. Never the less, using the handbook instructions I
 loaded the meta sound driver and my chipset was identified as a
 via8233 chipset. The meta driver loaded many drivers into the
 kernel, but through trial and error I've discovered that only
 sound.ko and snd_via8233.ko need to be loaded. So, I put these two
 lines into /boot/loader.conf:
 
 sound=YES
 snd_via8233=YES

The correct lines are

sound_load=YES
snd_via8233_load=YES

Regards,

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Re: SATA controller not recognized in FBSD 7.1

2009-04-09 Thread Andrew

Elliot Finley wrote:

Andrew wrote:

Hi Eliiot,


Elliot Finley wrote:

I've got two of these:

SUPERMICRO AOC-SAT2-MV8 64-bit PCI-X133MHz SATA Controller Card

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815121009

each with 8 1T Hitachi drives hanging off them.  When booting, I see 
all the drives scanned and recognized by the controller, but I don't 
see them in dmesg or /dev.


I'm using FreeBSD 7.1-R amd64.  Is there a special driver I need to 
load to get FreeBSD to recognize these?




nope, though according to 
http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=kern/120842

you need to disable the hptrr driver in the GENERIC kernel.


That worked, thank you.



:) No worries, I had to do same with my VIA 6421 pci SATA controller.


Elliot


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combining network interfaces

2009-04-09 Thread Frederique Rijsdijk
Hello,

Is there a way in FreeBSD to combine a number of network interfaces to
one virtual interface on which I can tcpdump all the traffic of those
interfaces at once?

Thanks,

-- Frederique
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Re: Loading sound drivers

2009-04-09 Thread Ricardo Jesus

kyanh wrote:

On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 14:47:15 +
af300...@gmail.com wrote:


Hi,

My motherboard, an ASUS K8V-X, has a generic type sound chip on
board, according to ASUS' specifications, it is an AD1980 chipset.
The hardware notes, linked from the handbook, does not list this
chipset but does list several Intel type HDA chipsets including one
AD1981 chipset. Never the less, using the handbook instructions I
loaded the meta sound driver and my chipset was identified as a
via8233 chipset. The meta driver loaded many drivers into the
kernel, but through trial and error I've discovered that only
sound.ko and snd_via8233.ko need to be loaded. So, I put these two
lines into /boot/loader.conf:

sound=YES
snd_via8233=YES


The correct lines are

sound_load=YES
snd_via8233_load=YES

Regards,

You even need sound_load=YES in the loader.conf. snd_via8234 pulls it 
upon loading.

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Re: combining network interfaces

2009-04-09 Thread Jacques Manukyan

Frederique Rijsdijk wrote:

Hello,

Is there a way in FreeBSD to combine a number of network interfaces to
one virtual interface on which I can tcpdump all the traffic of those
interfaces at once?
  


You're talking about bridging. Look at 
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/network-bridging.html


Section 31.5.7.1 is what you're asking for.

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Re: Loading sound drivers

2009-04-09 Thread Ricardo Jesus

Ricardo Jesus wrote:

kyanh wrote:

On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 14:47:15 +
af300...@gmail.com wrote:


Hi,

My motherboard, an ASUS K8V-X, has a generic type sound chip on
board, according to ASUS' specifications, it is an AD1980 chipset.
The hardware notes, linked from the handbook, does not list this
chipset but does list several Intel type HDA chipsets including one
AD1981 chipset. Never the less, using the handbook instructions I
loaded the meta sound driver and my chipset was identified as a
via8233 chipset. The meta driver loaded many drivers into the
kernel, but through trial and error I've discovered that only
sound.ko and snd_via8233.ko need to be loaded. So, I put these two
lines into /boot/loader.conf:

sound=YES
snd_via8233=YES


The correct lines are

sound_load=YES
snd_via8233_load=YES

Regards,

You even need sound_load=YES in the loader.conf. snd_via8234 pulls it 
upon loading.

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It should read *you don't even..*

Oops ;)
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RE: new package system proposal

2009-04-09 Thread Gary Gatten
I haven't worked with *nix os's as much as FreeBSD - Well, maybe
different flavors of SCO but as far as installing apps and what not
mostly FreeBSD.  I've installed maybe half a dozen apps and NONE of them
took less than 2 - 3 days.  Part of that is my slow a$$ test system -
and my ignorance, but it seems like a MAJOR hassle for even the simplest
thing!

It could just be me, but seems like many developers choose to link to
other libraries/modules even if they just need one simple function they
could build into their source directly.  Hence a dependency is
needlessly created. Multiply this 500 times and installing a simple
app turns into a nightmare.

I'm definitely gonna start trying to use more packages than ports, but
the port system is necessary and eventually I get stuff working!

G


-Original Message-
From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org
[mailto:owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of n j
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 3:15 AM
To: User Questions
Subject: Re: new package system proposal

I'd like to use this opportunity to generally support this and any
other ideas taking direction of making binary installs and upgrades
easier and more manageable. I recognize the need for people to
configure custom options and compile from ports (that is why any new
system *must* be compatible with ports), however, it should be noted
that there's a lot of people running simple LAMP servers, almost
exclusively using default options, who would greatly benefit from
better binary package support.

I've already ranted about this
(http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2008-December/1881
19.html)
in a slightly different context (I talked about -SECURITY equivalent
instead of -DESKTOP that the OP suggests) with almost the same idea -
make it easy for people who are interested in running stable, secure
servers do binary upgrades without the hassle of going through a major
system recompile because of, for example, openldap shared library
version bump.

Regards,
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Using gamepad with usb2

2009-04-09 Thread Alexander Best
hi everybody,

i wrote the following mail to the freebsd-x11 mailinglist and was told that
the x joystick driver doesn't work with the usb2 stack. is there any
possibility at all for me to use my gamepad?

cheers.
Alex

here's the original mail:

hi there,

i'm running FreeBSD moshnroll 8.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 8.0-CURRENT #28 r190845: Wed
Apr  8 16:27:42 CEST 2009.

i'd like to use my joypad under X in order to play games, but i'm unable to
find any information on how to do this.

the device get's recognized as HID device. here's the line from dmesg:

uhid0: Logitech Logitech Cordless RumblePad 2, class 0/0, rev 1.10/2.00, addr
2 on usbus0

i added the following lines to my xorg.conf:

Section InputDevice
Identifier Logitech Cordless RumblePad 2
Option Vendor Logitech
Driver joystick
Option Path /dev/uhid0
Option Device /dev/uhid0
Option DebugLevel 99
EndSection

and added

InputDevice Logitech Cordless RumblePad 2 SendCoreEvents to

Section ServerLayout

after starting X however i'm not able to use the joypad. i checked
/var/log/Xorg.0.log and found these entries which seem to be related to the
problem:

(**) Option Device /dev/uhid0
(**) Option SendCoreEvents
(**) Logitech Cordless RumblePad 2: always reports core events
(**) Option DebugLevel 99
(**) Logitech Cordless RumblePad 2: debug level set to 99
(**) Button 1 mapped to 5
(**) Button 2 mapped to 5
(**) Button 3 mapped to 5
(**) Button 4 mapped to 0
(**) Button 5 mapped to 0
(**) Button 6 mapped to 0
(**) Button 7 mapped to 0
(**) Button 8 mapped to 0
(**) Button 9 mapped to 0
(**) Button 10 mapped to 0
(**) Button 11 mapped to 0
(**) Button 12 mapped to 0
(**) Button 13 mapped to 0
(**) Button 14 mapped to 0
(**) Button 15 mapped to 0
(**) Button 16 mapped to 0
(**) Button 17 mapped to 0
(**) Button 18 mapped to 0
(**) Button 19 mapped to 0
(**) Button 20 mapped to 0
(**) Button 21 mapped to 0
(**) Button 22 mapped to 0
(**) Button 23 mapped to 0
(**) Button 24 mapped to 0
(**) Button 25 mapped to 0
(**) Button 26 mapped to 0
(**) Button 27 mapped to 0
(**) Button 28 mapped to 0
(**) Button 29 mapped to 0
(**) Button 30 mapped to 0
(**) Button 31 mapped to 0
(**) Button 32 mapped to 0
(**) Axis 1 type is 1, mapped to 1, amplify=1.000
(**) Axis 2 type is 1, mapped to 2, amplify=1.000
(**) Axis 3 type is 1, mapped to 3, amplify=1.000
(**) Axis 4 type is 1, mapped to 4, amplify=1.000
(**) Axis 5 type is 2, mapped to 1, amplify=1.000
(**) Axis 6 type is 2, mapped to 2, amplify=1.000
(**) Axis 7 type is 0, mapped to 0, amplify=1.000
(**) Axis 8 type is 0, mapped to 0, amplify=1.000
(**) Axis 9 type is 0, mapped to 0, amplify=1.000
(**) Axis 10 type is 0, mapped to 0, amplify=1.000
(**) Axis 11 type is 0, mapped to 0, amplify=1.000
(**) Axis 12 type is 0, mapped to 0, amplify=1.000
(**) Axis 13 type is 0, mapped to 0, amplify=1.000
(**) Axis 14 type is 0, mapped to 0, amplify=1.000
(**) Axis 15 type is 0, mapped to 0, amplify=1.000
(**) Axis 16 type is 0, mapped to 0, amplify=1.000
(**) Axis 17 type is 0, mapped to 0, amplify=1.000
(**) Axis 18 type is 0, mapped to 0, amplify=1.000
(**) Axis 19 type is 0, mapped to 0, amplify=1.000
(**) Axis 20 type is 0, mapped to 0, amplify=1.000
(**) Axis 21 type is 0, mapped to 0, amplify=1.000
(**) Axis 22 type is 0, mapped to 0, amplify=1.000
(**) Axis 23 type is 0, mapped to 0, amplify=1.000
(**) Axis 24 type is 0, mapped to 0, amplify=1.000
(**) Axis 25 type is 0, mapped to 0, amplify=1.000
(**) Axis 26 type is 0, mapped to 0, amplify=1.000
(**) Axis 27 type is 0, mapped to 0, amplify=1.000
(**) Axis 28 type is 0, mapped to 0, amplify=1.000
(**) Axis 29 type is 0, mapped to 0, amplify=1.000
(**) Axis 30 type is 0, mapped to 0, amplify=1.000
(**) Axis 31 type is 0, mapped to 0, amplify=1.000
(**) Axis 32 type is 0, mapped to 0, amplify=1.000
(**) Option SendCoreEvents
(**) Logitech Cordless RumblePad 2 (keys): always reports core events
(II) evaluating device (Razer Diamondback 1600)
(II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device Razer Diamondback 1600 (type:
MOUSE)
(II) evaluating device (Dell USB Keyboard)
(II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device Dell USB Keyboard (type: KEYBOARD)
(II) evaluating device (Logitech Cordless RumblePad 2)
(II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device Logitech Cordless RumblePad 2
(type: JOYSTICK)
(II) evaluating device (Logitech Cordless RumblePad 2 (keys))
(II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device Logitech Cordless RumblePad 2
(keys) (type: JOYSTICK)
jstkDeviceControlProc what=INIT
(EE) Joystick: Didn't find any usable axes.
jstkKeyboardDeviceControlProc what=DEVICE_INIT
(**) Initializing Keyboard with 1 keys
(**) Keymap [8]: 0x
(II) Razer Diamondback 1600: SetupAuto: hw.iftype is 4, hw.model is 0
(II) Razer Diamondback 1600: SetupAuto: protocol is SysMouse
jstkKeyboardDeviceControlProc what=DEVICE_ON
jstkKeyboardDeviceControlProc what=DEVICE_OFF
(II) NVIDIA(0): Setting mode 1152x864
(**) Option BaudRate 1200
(**) 

RE: new package system proposal

2009-04-09 Thread Gary Gatten
This is the kinda B$ I'm talking about.  Trying to install krb5 from
ports, and after 2 hours (or more) of finding and compiling dependencies
and whatever else make does - it aborts!  WTF!!!  I'm sure when I try
to remove heimdal-1.0.1 it will cause more problems that lead to more
problems

===  Installing for krb5-1.6.3_5

===  krb5-1.6.3_5 conflicts with installed package(s):
  heimdal-1.0.1

  They install files into the same place.
  Please remove them first with pkg_delete(1).
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/ports/security/krb5.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/ports/security/krb5.



-Original Message-
From: Gary Gatten 
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 10:46 AM
To: 'n j'; User Questions
Subject: RE: new package system proposal

I haven't worked with *nix os's as much as FreeBSD - Well, maybe
different flavors of SCO but as far as installing apps and what not
mostly FreeBSD.  I've installed maybe half a dozen apps and NONE of them
took less than 2 - 3 days.  Part of that is my slow a$$ test system -
and my ignorance, but it seems like a MAJOR hassle for even the simplest
thing!

It could just be me, but seems like many developers choose to link to
other libraries/modules even if they just need one simple function they
could build into their source directly.  Hence a dependency is
needlessly created. Multiply this 500 times and installing a simple
app turns into a nightmare.

I'm definitely gonna start trying to use more packages than ports, but
the port system is necessary and eventually I get stuff working!

G


-Original Message-
From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org
[mailto:owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of n j
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 3:15 AM
To: User Questions
Subject: Re: new package system proposal

I'd like to use this opportunity to generally support this and any
other ideas taking direction of making binary installs and upgrades
easier and more manageable. I recognize the need for people to
configure custom options and compile from ports (that is why any new
system *must* be compatible with ports), however, it should be noted
that there's a lot of people running simple LAMP servers, almost
exclusively using default options, who would greatly benefit from
better binary package support.

I've already ranted about this
(http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2008-December/1881
19.html)
in a slightly different context (I talked about -SECURITY equivalent
instead of -DESKTOP that the OP suggests) with almost the same idea -
make it easy for people who are interested in running stable, secure
servers do binary upgrades without the hassle of going through a major
system recompile because of, for example, openldap shared library
version bump.

Regards,
-- 
Nino
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RE: new package system proposal

2009-04-09 Thread Gary Gatten
As expected.

pkg_delete: package 'heimdal-1.0.1' is required by these other packages
and may not be deinstalled:
freeradius-2.1.3

FreeRADIUS is the WHOLE reason I'm trying to install SAMBA!  LOVE this
B$!!!

-Original Message-
From: Gary Gatten 
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 10:54 AM
To: 'n j'; 'User Questions'
Subject: RE: new package system proposal

This is the kinda B$ I'm talking about.  Trying to install krb5 from
ports, and after 2 hours (or more) of finding and compiling dependencies
and whatever else make does - it aborts!  WTF!!!  I'm sure when I try
to remove heimdal-1.0.1 it will cause more problems that lead to more
problems

===  Installing for krb5-1.6.3_5

===  krb5-1.6.3_5 conflicts with installed package(s):
  heimdal-1.0.1

  They install files into the same place.
  Please remove them first with pkg_delete(1).
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/ports/security/krb5.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/ports/security/krb5.



-Original Message-
From: Gary Gatten 
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 10:46 AM
To: 'n j'; User Questions
Subject: RE: new package system proposal

I haven't worked with *nix os's as much as FreeBSD - Well, maybe
different flavors of SCO but as far as installing apps and what not
mostly FreeBSD.  I've installed maybe half a dozen apps and NONE of them
took less than 2 - 3 days.  Part of that is my slow a$$ test system -
and my ignorance, but it seems like a MAJOR hassle for even the simplest
thing!

It could just be me, but seems like many developers choose to link to
other libraries/modules even if they just need one simple function they
could build into their source directly.  Hence a dependency is
needlessly created. Multiply this 500 times and installing a simple
app turns into a nightmare.

I'm definitely gonna start trying to use more packages than ports, but
the port system is necessary and eventually I get stuff working!

G


-Original Message-
From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org
[mailto:owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of n j
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 3:15 AM
To: User Questions
Subject: Re: new package system proposal

I'd like to use this opportunity to generally support this and any
other ideas taking direction of making binary installs and upgrades
easier and more manageable. I recognize the need for people to
configure custom options and compile from ports (that is why any new
system *must* be compatible with ports), however, it should be noted
that there's a lot of people running simple LAMP servers, almost
exclusively using default options, who would greatly benefit from
better binary package support.

I've already ranted about this
(http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2008-December/1881
19.html)
in a slightly different context (I talked about -SECURITY equivalent
instead of -DESKTOP that the OP suggests) with almost the same idea -
make it easy for people who are interested in running stable, secure
servers do binary upgrades without the hassle of going through a major
system recompile because of, for example, openldap shared library
version bump.

Regards,
-- 
Nino
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Re: questions about Fatal Trap 12

2009-04-09 Thread Ray
On Friday 03 April 2009 11:44:31 Ray wrote:
 Hello,
 I have received a kernel Trap 12 error several times now and am trying to
 figure it out.
 the error occurred today, and the previous time was about two weeks ago.
 last time I had to run fsck manually if that proves anything.


 uname -a gives the following:

 FreeBSD wserver..com 7.0-RELEASE-p3 FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE-p3 #0: Wed
 Sep 17 13:30:46 MDT 2008
 r...@wserver.*.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/MOD amd64


 Google returns results mostly for versions 4.x and 5.x, but it suggest 2
 main things:
 test ram, and kernel panic troubleshooting.
 (http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/faq/advanced.html#KERNEL-PANIC-
 TROUBLESHOOTING)

 Is there a way to test the ram without removing it from the machine and
 leave the machine functioning. I've used memtest 86 before, but obviously
 the machine has to be offline for this test.

 However, I'm a little unsure of the instructions in the handbook on
 troubleshooting. namely, it talks about using the nm command, but I can't
 figure out the data file to give it as an argument, and second I'm unsure
 about using a debugging Kernel on a production server. I have heard that It
 will significantly slow down a machine.
 Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
 Ray

Can anybody make any suggestions, or is there a better list to take this 
question to?
Ray

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Re: new package system proposal

2009-04-09 Thread Michel Talon
Nino wrote:
 I'd like to use this opportunity to generally support this and any
 other ideas taking direction of making binary installs and upgrades
 easier and more manageable. 

You may be interested to read 
http://www.lpthe.jussieu.fr/~talon/freebsdports.html
and to consider playing with
http://www.lpthe.jussieu.fr/~talon/pkgupgrade



-- 

Michel TALON

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Re: combining network interfaces

2009-04-09 Thread Lowell Gilbert
Jacques Manukyan mlfree...@streamingedge.com writes:

 Frederique Rijsdijk wrote:
 Hello,

 Is there a way in FreeBSD to combine a number of network interfaces to
 one virtual interface on which I can tcpdump all the traffic of those
 interfaces at once?
   

 You're talking about bridging. Look at
 http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/network-bridging.html

 Section 31.5.7.1 is what you're asking for.

I don't think he wants to forward the traffic between those interfaces,
though; just dump them all together.  I'm not sure, though.

If I'm right, I don't think tcpdump can do that directly.  One idea
might be to run a firewall to choose the packets and to forward a copy
to a dummy interface that can be monitored.
-- 
Lowell Gilbert, embedded/networking software engineer, Boston area
http://be-well.ilk.org/~lowell/
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Re: combining network interfaces

2009-04-09 Thread Frederique Rijsdijk

Lowell Gilbert wrote:

Jacques Manukyan mlfree...@streamingedge.com writes:

Frederique Rijsdijk wrote:

Hello,

Is there a way in FreeBSD to combine a number of network interfaces to
one virtual interface on which I can tcpdump all the traffic of those
interfaces at once?
  

You're talking about bridging. Look at
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/network-bridging.html

Section 31.5.7.1 is what you're asking for.


I don't think he wants to forward the traffic between those interfaces,
though; just dump them all together.  I'm not sure, though.



You're right.


If I'm right, I don't think tcpdump can do that directly.  One idea
might be to run a firewall to choose the packets and to forward a copy
to a dummy interface that can be monitored.



It might be an idea. Somehow I think it should be possible in a more 
simple way. Now reading 'man 4 lagg'...




-- Frederique
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Re: combining network interfaces

2009-04-09 Thread John Webster
--On April 9, 2009 5:18:26 PM +0200 Frederique Rijsdijk 
frederi...@isafeelin.org wrote:

 Hello,
 
 Is there a way in FreeBSD to combine a number of network interfaces to
 one virtual interface on which I can tcpdump all the traffic of those
 interfaces at once?
 

Take a look at netgraph.  



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Re: firefox3 with high latencies when acting with mouse or keyboard and graphics refresh

2009-04-09 Thread O. Hartmann
Tim Kientzle wrote:
 I saw something similar recently due to a mismatch
 between hald and the xorg server.  In my case, it
 affected all applications, not just firefox.
 * Are you running hald?

hald is not running by default.
 * Do you have AllowEmptyInput set in /etc/X11/xorg.conf?

It is explicitely set OFF/NO.
 * Are you starting xdm, kdm, or gdm from /etc/ttys?

Yes, xdm is started via /etc/ttys.

 Tim

 O. Hartmann wrote:
 Hello,
 got a problem since yesterday after having done a lot of updates
 (ports): on all of my FreeBSD 8.0-CURRENT/amd64 boxes firefox does
 have enormous high latencies when typing in or moving the mouse or
 popping up the window icon or down. Since this happens on all of
 8.0-CUR/amd boxes, I guess it has something to do with an upgrade of
 the ports.

 I reinstalled firefox twice, but without success, so I want to ask
 for some hints..

 Regards,
 Oliver
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make install krb5 conflict with heimdal

2009-04-09 Thread Gary Gatten
On FreeBSD 6.0.  I have FreeRADIUS installed and functional.  Trying to
integrate with AD so trying to install SAMBA for the NTLM Auth
functions.  SAMBA installs failed with a problem with krb5.  Finally got
the make of krb5 to succeed, but the make install fails with error
below.  Tried removing heimdal but FreeRADIUS depends on it!  Any help
getting past this paradox would be GREATLY appreciated!  I'm stuck right
now and really don't want to uninstall FreeRADIUS.  


===  Installing for krb5-1.6.3_5

===  krb5-1.6.3_5 conflicts with installed package(s):
  heimdal-1.0.1

  They install files into the same place.
  Please remove them first with pkg_delete(1).
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/ports/security/krb5.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/ports/security/krb5.




-Original Message-
From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org
[mailto:owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of O. Hartmann
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 11:57 AM
To: Tim Kientzle
Cc: freebsd-curr...@freebsd.org; O. Hartmann;
freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: firefox3 with high latencies when acting with mouse or
keyboard and graphics refresh

Tim Kientzle wrote:
 I saw something similar recently due to a mismatch
 between hald and the xorg server.  In my case, it
 affected all applications, not just firefox.
 * Are you running hald?

hald is not running by default.
 * Do you have AllowEmptyInput set in /etc/X11/xorg.conf?

It is explicitely set OFF/NO.
 * Are you starting xdm, kdm, or gdm from /etc/ttys?

Yes, xdm is started via /etc/ttys.

 Tim

 O. Hartmann wrote:
 Hello,
 got a problem since yesterday after having done a lot of updates
 (ports): on all of my FreeBSD 8.0-CURRENT/amd64 boxes firefox does
 have enormous high latencies when typing in or moving the mouse or
 popping up the window icon or down. Since this happens on all of
 8.0-CUR/amd boxes, I guess it has something to do with an upgrade of
 the ports.

 I reinstalled firefox twice, but without success, so I want to ask
 for some hints..

 Regards,
 Oliver
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Re: combining network interfaces

2009-04-09 Thread Christian Laursen

Frederique Rijsdijk wrote:


Is there a way in FreeBSD to combine a number of network interfaces to
one virtual interface on which I can tcpdump all the traffic of those
interfaces at once?


pflog(4) might be a possibility.

--
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USB SD-card reader recognized, but not working, on 6.1

2009-04-09 Thread perryh
Trying here, after no answer on usb@

When I plug in the reader, I get (on the console):

umass0: SDMMC M121 USB 2.0  SD/MMC READER, rev 2.00/2.01, addr 2
da0 at umass-sim0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0
da0: USB 2.0 SD/MMC Reader \001\000\000? Removable Direct Access SCSI-0 
device 
da0: 1.000MB/s transfers
da0: 1962MB (4019200 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 250C)

So far, so good, and it appears -- based on this excerpt from the
mtoolstest output -- that mtools is configured to read /dev/da0 as b:

drive B:
#fn=1 mode=0 defined in /usr/local/etc/mtools.conf
file=/dev/da0 fat_bits=0 
tracks=0 heads=0 sectors=0 hidden=0
offset=0x0
partition=0

However, when I try to read it with mtools:

$ mdir -a b:
init B: non DOS media
Cannot initialize 'B:'

When I try to investigate using file:

$ file -s /dev/da0

I get a very long pause, during which this appears on the console:

umass0: BBB bulk-in clear stall failed, TIMEOUT
umass0: BBB bulk-out clear stall failed, TIMEOUT
umass0: BBB reset failed, TIMEOUT
umass0: BBB bulk-in clear stall failed, TIMEOUT
umass0: BBB bulk-out clear stall failed, TIMEOUT
umass0: BBB reset failed, TIMEOUT
umass0: BBB bulk-in clear stall failed, TIMEOUT
umass0: BBB bulk-out clear stall failed, TIMEOUT
umass0: BBB reset failed, TIMEOUT
umass0: BBB bulk-in clear stall failed, TIMEOUT
umass0: BBB bulk-out clear stall failed, TIMEOUT
umass0: BBB reset failed, TIMEOUT
umass0: BBB bulk-in clear stall failed, TIMEOUT
umass0: BBB bulk-out clear stall failed, TIMEOUT
umass0: BBB reset failed, TIMEOUT
umass0: BBB bulk-in clear stall failed, TIMEOUT
umass0: BBB bulk-out clear stall failed, TIMEOUT
(da0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): Synchronize cache failed, status == 0x4, scsi status == 
0x0
umass0: BBB reset failed, TIMEOUT
umass0: BBB bulk-in clear stall failed, TIMEOUT
umass0: BBB bulk-out clear stall failed, TIMEOUT

and the file command reports

/dev/da0: ERROR: cannot read `/dev/da0' (Input/output error)

Is there anything that can be done in the way of configuration
adjustments, or is this reader just not usable on 6.1?

USB part of dmesg.boot:

uhci0: Intel 82371AB/EB (PIIX4) USB controller port 0xcce0-0xccff irq 11 at 
device 7.2 on pci0
uhci0: [GIANT-LOCKED]
usb0: Intel 82371AB/EB (PIIX4) USB controller on uhci0
usb0: USB revision 1.0
uhub0: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1
uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
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Re: firefox3 with high latencies when acting with mouse or keyboard and graphics refresh

2009-04-09 Thread Sergio de Almeida Lenzi
Hello,

try to login on xdm using secure or xterm option 

if not possible, shutdown xdm (in etc/ttys)
make sure X is not running
and at the console (vga) 
type xinit
it will start a small window with noting but xterm
start a window manager (twm)
in the window, type firefox... and see if it works ok...

In the xterm window you will see firefox messages...
look for something like fam

if it is the case, than you must start firefox within
a more sofisticated DM (gdm, kdm...) 

if firefox works ok, so the problem is in the setup of
the dm (xdm, gdm...) (I prefer gdm, version 1.8)

if firefox does not work ok, the problem is with the X
configureation, or firefox itsself,

Try test with firefox2 

Hope this will help,
Sergio
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Re: find command question

2009-04-09 Thread Dan Nelson
In the last episode (Apr 09), Jay Hall said:
 When using the find command with the -exec option, does the find command
 wait for the command being executed to finish before returning the next
 result?
 
 For example, if I am using find -exec {} to copy files to tape, will find
 wait for the command to write the file to tape complete before it returns
 the next result?

Since the find manpage says:

 -exec utility [argument ...] ;
 True if the program named utility returns a zero value as its
 exit status. ...

It has to wait for completion to see the exit status.


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Re: USB SD-card reader recognized, but not working, on 6.1

2009-04-09 Thread Roland Smith
On Thu, Apr 09, 2009 at 10:12:58AM -0700, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
 Trying here, after no answer on usb@
 
 When I plug in the reader, I get (on the console):
 
 umass0: SDMMC M121 USB 2.0  SD/MMC READER, rev 2.00/2.01, addr 2
 da0 at umass-sim0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0
 da0: USB 2.0 SD/MMC Reader \001\000\000? Removable Direct Access SCSI-0 
 device 
 da0: 1.000MB/s transfers
 da0: 1962MB (4019200 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 250C)
 
 So far, so good, and it appears -- based on this excerpt from the
 mtoolstest output -- that mtools is configured to read /dev/da0 as b:
 
 drive B:
 #fn=1 mode=0 defined in /usr/local/etc/mtools.conf
 file=/dev/da0 fat_bits=0 
 tracks=0 heads=0 sectors=0 hidden=0
 offset=0x0
 partition=0
 
 However, when I try to read it with mtools:
 
 $ mdir -a b:
 init B: non DOS media
 Cannot initialize 'B:'
 
Are you sure that the drive isn't partitioned? In other words, if you
plug in the drive, and you give the command 'ls /dev/da0*', do you only
get /dev/da0 or perhaps also /dev/da0s1? If it is partitioned, try
/dev/da0s? instead.

Second, does the user running mtools have read and write access to the device?

Have you tried just mounting the card reader?

Roland
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Re: make install krb5 conflict with heimdal

2009-04-09 Thread Don Read
On Thu, 9 Apr 2009 12:20:35 -0500 Gary Gatten said:

 On FreeBSD 6.0.  I have FreeRADIUS installed and functional.  Trying to
 integrate with AD so trying to install SAMBA for the NTLM Auth
 functions.  SAMBA installs failed with a problem with krb5.  Finally got
 the make of krb5 to succeed, but the make install fails with error
 below.  Tried removing heimdal but FreeRADIUS depends on it!  Any help
 getting past this paradox would be GREATLY appreciated!  I'm stuck right
 now and really don't want to uninstall FreeRADIUS.  
 
 
 ===  Installing for krb5-1.6.3_5
 
 ===  krb5-1.6.3_5 conflicts with installed package(s):
   heimdal-1.0.1
 
   They install files into the same place.
   Please remove them first with pkg_delete(1).
 *** Error code 1
 
 Stop in /usr/ports/security/krb5.
 *** Error code 1
 
 Stop in /usr/ports/security/krb5.
 

1. Stop hijacking threads.

2. man pkg_delete. 
Note the  -f, --force argument.


furrfu ...

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Re: find command question

2009-04-09 Thread Josh Carroll
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 8:01 AM, Jay Hall jh...@socket.net wrote:
 When using the find command with the -exec option, does the find command
 wait for the command being executed to finish before returning the next
 result?

 For example, if I am using find -exec {} to copy files to tape, will find
 wait for the command to write the file to tape complete before it returns
 the next result?

It has to wait. It's easily verified by creating a simple script:

#!/bin/sh

echo My args were: $*
sleep 1

Then:

find /some/path -exec /path/to/f.sh {} \;

You'll see:

My args were: /some/path/a
(1 second delay)
My args were: /some/path/b
(1 second delay)
...

Regards,
Josh
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RE: make install krb5 conflict with heimdal

2009-04-09 Thread Gary Gatten
This is a new thread, so not sure what you mean?  Maybe my other posts
re. new package system?  Unintentional hijack - just venting, sorry.

I'm aware of the pkg_delete -f; but I don't want to break FreeRADIUS.
This will process involves getting FreeRADIUS hooked into AD, and one
method I'm looking into is the SAMBA / NTLM thing.  SAMBA won't install
unless krb5 is happy.

Do I need to force heimdal removal, install krb5, reinstall heimdal and
HOPE it works and nothing breaks in the process?

-Original Message-
From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org
[mailto:owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Don Read
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 12:47 PM
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: make install krb5 conflict with heimdal

On Thu, 9 Apr 2009 12:20:35 -0500 Gary Gatten said:

 On FreeBSD 6.0.  I have FreeRADIUS installed and functional.  Trying
to
 integrate with AD so trying to install SAMBA for the NTLM Auth
 functions.  SAMBA installs failed with a problem with krb5.  Finally
got
 the make of krb5 to succeed, but the make install fails with error
 below.  Tried removing heimdal but FreeRADIUS depends on it!  Any help
 getting past this paradox would be GREATLY appreciated!  I'm stuck
right
 now and really don't want to uninstall FreeRADIUS.  
 
 
 ===  Installing for krb5-1.6.3_5
 
 ===  krb5-1.6.3_5 conflicts with installed package(s):
   heimdal-1.0.1
 
   They install files into the same place.
   Please remove them first with pkg_delete(1).
 *** Error code 1
 
 Stop in /usr/ports/security/krb5.
 *** Error code 1
 
 Stop in /usr/ports/security/krb5.
 

1. Stop hijacking threads.

2. man pkg_delete. 
Note the  -f, --force argument.


furrfu ...

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Re: make install krb5 conflict with heimdal

2009-04-09 Thread Chuck Swiger

On Apr 9, 2009, at 11:21 AM, Gary Gatten wrote:

This is a new thread, so not sure what you mean?  Maybe my other posts
re. new package system?  Unintentional hijack - just venting, sorry.

I'm aware of the pkg_delete -f; but I don't want to break FreeRADIUS.
This will process involves getting FreeRADIUS hooked into AD, and one
method I'm looking into is the SAMBA / NTLM thing.  SAMBA won't  
install

unless krb5 is happy.

Do I need to force heimdal removal, install krb5, reinstall heimdal  
and

HOPE it works and nothing breaks in the process?


Nope.  FreeRADIUS' Makefile claims to support both Heimdal and  
Kerberos5, but you have to choose one or the other via the options  
(make config):



.ifdef(WITH_KERBEROS)
.ifdef(WITH_HEIMDAL)
LIB_DEPENDS+=   krb5.23:${PORTSDIR}/security/heimdal
CONFIGURE_ARGS+=--enable-heimdal-krb5
.else
LIB_DEPENDS+=   krb5.3:${PORTSDIR}/security/krb5
.endif


Likewise with Samba:


.if defined(WITH_ADS)
SAMBA_WANT_LDAP=yes
SAMBA_WANT_KRB5=yes
CONFIGURE_ARGS+=--with-ads
.else
CONFIGURE_ARGS+=--without-ads
.endif
# Kerberos5 is necessary for ADS
.if defined(SAMBA_WANT_KRB5)
.if defined(KRB5_HOME)  exists(${KRB5_HOME}/lib/libgssapi_krb5.so)
CONFIGURE_ARGS+=--with-krb5=${KRB5_HOME}
.elif defined(HEIMDAL_HOME)  exists(${HEIMDAL_HOME}/lib/ 
libgssapi.so)

CONFIGURE_ARGS+=--with-krb5=${HEIMDAL_HOME}
.elif exists(/usr/lib/libkrb5.so)  exists(/usr/bin/krb5-config)
CONFIGURE_ARGS+=--with-krb5=/usr
.else
LIB_DEPENDS+=   krb5:${PORTSDIR}/security/heimdal
CONFIGURE_ARGS+=--with-krb5=${LOCALBASE}
.endif



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RE: make install krb5 conflict with heimdal

2009-04-09 Thread Gary Gatten
This actually makes a little sense - thanks for the pointers!

G

BTW: Is top posting bad?  I prefer top posts, but if the list doesn't
like it I'll change.  I'll find the rules and read them!

-Original Message-
From: Chuck Swiger [mailto:cswi...@mac.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:26 PM
To: Gary Gatten
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Questions -
Subject: Re: make install krb5 conflict with heimdal

On Apr 9, 2009, at 11:21 AM, Gary Gatten wrote:
 This is a new thread, so not sure what you mean?  Maybe my other posts
 re. new package system?  Unintentional hijack - just venting, sorry.

 I'm aware of the pkg_delete -f; but I don't want to break FreeRADIUS.
 This will process involves getting FreeRADIUS hooked into AD, and one
 method I'm looking into is the SAMBA / NTLM thing.  SAMBA won't  
 install
 unless krb5 is happy.

 Do I need to force heimdal removal, install krb5, reinstall heimdal  
 and
 HOPE it works and nothing breaks in the process?

Nope.  FreeRADIUS' Makefile claims to support both Heimdal and  
Kerberos5, but you have to choose one or the other via the options  
(make config):

 .ifdef(WITH_KERBEROS)
 .ifdef(WITH_HEIMDAL)
 LIB_DEPENDS+=   krb5.23:${PORTSDIR}/security/heimdal
 CONFIGURE_ARGS+=--enable-heimdal-krb5
 .else
 LIB_DEPENDS+=   krb5.3:${PORTSDIR}/security/krb5
 .endif

Likewise with Samba:

 .if defined(WITH_ADS)
 SAMBA_WANT_LDAP=yes
 SAMBA_WANT_KRB5=yes
 CONFIGURE_ARGS+=--with-ads
 .else
 CONFIGURE_ARGS+=--without-ads
 .endif
 # Kerberos5 is necessary for ADS
 .if defined(SAMBA_WANT_KRB5)
 .if defined(KRB5_HOME)  exists(${KRB5_HOME}/lib/libgssapi_krb5.so)
 CONFIGURE_ARGS+=--with-krb5=${KRB5_HOME}
 .elif defined(HEIMDAL_HOME)  exists(${HEIMDAL_HOME}/lib/ 
 libgssapi.so)
 CONFIGURE_ARGS+=--with-krb5=${HEIMDAL_HOME}
 .elif exists(/usr/lib/libkrb5.so)  exists(/usr/bin/krb5-config)
 CONFIGURE_ARGS+=--with-krb5=/usr
 .else
 LIB_DEPENDS+=   krb5:${PORTSDIR}/security/heimdal
 CONFIGURE_ARGS+=--with-krb5=${LOCALBASE}
 .endif


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Error Message when starting Apache

2009-04-09 Thread Michael Heitmeier
After installing Apache 2.2 it does not start and apachectl start fails with
the error message
/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object xchgptr not found, required by
libapr-1.so.3

Searching on the Web and archives did not reveal anything, please let me
know how to resolve this, thanks!
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RE: make install krb5 conflict with heimdal

2009-04-09 Thread Gary Gatten
-Original Message-
From: Chuck Swiger [mailto:cswi...@mac.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:53 PM
To: Gary Gatten
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: make install krb5 conflict with heimdal

On Apr 9, 2009, at 11:29 AM, Gary Gatten wrote:
 This actually makes a little sense - thanks for the pointers!

 G

 BTW: Is top posting bad?  I prefer top posts, but if the list doesn't
 like it I'll change.  I'll find the rules and read them!

Top posting is widely considered bad on the FreeBSD lists, yes.

Note that Kerberos is a complicated, many-headed beast and not just in  
the mythological sense.  You might have an easier time if you choose  
which flavor you want to use, and then maybe add WITH_KERBEROS=yes and/ 
or WITH_HEIMDAL=yes to /etc/make.conf, before firing off the tree of  
builds-- that will help the various ports and options screens figure  
out which one you wanted to use more consistently.

However, it looks like Samba is looking for HEIMDAL_HOME or KRB5_HOME  
to be defined instead of using the standard WITH_ flags; arguably, the  
port maintainer dwcjr@ should be checking the WITH_ flags instead.

Regards,
-- 
-Chuck


OK, no more top posting.

Got past the krb5 build and back to SAMBA with a new error in clikrb5.c.
Time to try a package again!

libsmb/clikrb5.c: In function `krb5_set_real_time':
libsmb/clikrb5.c:132: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
libsmb/clikrb5.c:133: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
libsmb/clikrb5.c: In function `create_kerberos_key_from_string_direct':
libsmb/clikrb5.c:244: error: syntax error before salt
libsmb/clikrb5.c:246: error: `salt' undeclared (first use in this
function)
libsmb/clikrb5.c:246: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported
only once
libsmb/clikrb5.c:246: error: for each function it appears in.)
libsmb/clikrb5.c: In function `smb_krb5_renew_ticket':
libsmb/clikrb5.c:1301: error: syntax error before flags
libsmb/clikrb5.c:1302: error: `krb5_realm' undeclared (first use in this
function)
libsmb/clikrb5.c:1302: error: `client_realm' undeclared (first use in
this function)
libsmb/clikrb5.c:1327: error: `flags' undeclared (first use in this
function)
The following command failed:
cc -I. -I/usr/ports/net/samba33/samba33/work/samba-3.3.3/source
-I/usr/ports/net/samba33/samba33/work/samba-3.3.3/source/iniparser/src
-Iinclude -I./include  -I. -I. -I./lib/replace -I./lib/talloc
-I./lib/tdb/include -I./libaddns -I./librpc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H
-I/usr/local/include -Iinclude -I./include -I. -I. -I./lib/replace
-I./lib/talloc -I./lib/tdb/include -I./libaddns -I./librpc -I./popt
-I/usr/local/include -DLDAP_DEPRECATED -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe
-DLDAP_DEPRECATED -O -D_SAMBA_BUILD_=3 -I/usr/local/include
-I/usr/ports/net/samba33/samba33/work/samba-3.3.3/source/lib
-D_SAMBA_BUILD_=3 -fPIC -DPIC -c libsmb/clikrb5.c -o libsmb/clikrb5.o
gmake: *** [libsmb/clikrb5.o] Error 1
*** Error code 2

Stop in /usr/ports/net/samba33/samba33.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/ports/net/samba33/samba33.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/ports/net/samba33/samba33.
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memtest question on 8 GB RAM AMD64 system

2009-04-09 Thread Dino Vliet
Dear freebsd people,

I have just installed 4 x 2gb kingston memory banks (Kingston HyperX 4GB 800mhz 
DDR2 Non-ECC CL5 (5-5-5-15) DIMM) onto my AMD 64 system with a X2 5200 CPU. The 
motherboard I have in this system is MSI K9AG Neo2-Digital.

The system boots fine and I wanted to try memtest to see if there would be 
errors. So I installed that /usr/ports/sysutils/memtest port and did 

# memtest 2400

The output I got is:
Continuing with unlocked memory; testing will be slower and less reliable.

...
pagesize 4096
pagesizemask is 0xf000
want 2400MB (2516582400 bytes)
got   2400MB (2516582400 bytes), trying mlock ...failed for unknown reason
Loop 1:
.

In my /etc/rc/conf file I had added these lines in the past (when I had 4gb RAM 
installed in it)

sysctl -w kern.ipc.shmmax=1954311424
sysctl -w kern.ipc.shmall=238000

What is the case here? Why is memtest failing to use mlock? How can I 
eventually make sure I can run memtest with 8000mb? 

The purpose of this machine is that it will be used for a various data 
intensive tasks where I need to be able to allocate as much memory possible. I 
am running a postgresql database server on it as well to store my source data.

Brgds
Dino




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Re: Recovering loss of /var/db/pkg ?

2009-04-09 Thread Joshua Gimer
You could try to recover the file from the disk if it has not been
reallocated using something like The Sleuth Kit:

http://www.sleuthkit.org/

You can use fls to find the location of the file on the disk and then
icat to recover.

On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Mark Stosberg m...@summersault.com wrote:

 I'll just say it plainly:

 /var/db/pkg is long gone and there is no backup. It was not copied to
 new a machine.

 Is there is any hope of being able to use the ports or packages system in a
 meangingful way again?

 My sense is that some recovery is possible, but may be prohibitively 
 expensive.

 Thanks for any tips!

   Mark


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Re: make install krb5 conflict with heimdal

2009-04-09 Thread Chuck Swiger

On Apr 9, 2009, at 11:29 AM, Gary Gatten wrote:

This actually makes a little sense - thanks for the pointers!

G

BTW: Is top posting bad?  I prefer top posts, but if the list doesn't
like it I'll change.  I'll find the rules and read them!


Top posting is widely considered bad on the FreeBSD lists, yes.

Note that Kerberos is a complicated, many-headed beast and not just in  
the mythological sense.  You might have an easier time if you choose  
which flavor you want to use, and then maybe add WITH_KERBEROS=yes and/ 
or WITH_HEIMDAL=yes to /etc/make.conf, before firing off the tree of  
builds-- that will help the various ports and options screens figure  
out which one you wanted to use more consistently.


However, it looks like Samba is looking for HEIMDAL_HOME or KRB5_HOME  
to be defined instead of using the standard WITH_ flags; arguably, the  
port maintainer dwcjr@ should be checking the WITH_ flags instead.


Regards,
--
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Re: cannot kill process with kill -9

2009-04-09 Thread Joshua Gimer
You might also find a little bit information about what the process is
waiting on by attaching to it with strace (in ports under devel)
(strace -p PID).

On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 5:47 AM, Eray Aslan eray.as...@caf.com.tr wrote:
 On Thu, Apr 09, 2009 at 09:41:31AM +0200, Pieter Donche wrote:
 I have a mount_nfs process that refuses to get killed :
 # ps -jaxw | grep mount
 root   60342     1 60289 60289    0 D     ??    0:00.00 mount_nfs
 [...]
 How to I get this process killed?

 reboot.  You can't kill a process with a D flag.  Google for
 uninterruptible sleep.

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Re: memtest question on 8 GB RAM AMD64 system

2009-04-09 Thread Josh Carroll
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 2:43 PM, Dino Vliet dino_vl...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Dear freebsd people,

 I have just installed 4 x 2gb kingston memory banks (Kingston HyperX 4GB 
 800mhz DDR2 Non-ECC CL5 (5-5-5-15) DIMM) onto my AMD 64 system with a X2 5200 
 CPU. The motherboard I have in this system is MSI K9AG Neo2-Digital.

 The system boots fine and I wanted to try memtest to see if there would be 
 errors. So I installed that /usr/ports/sysutils/memtest port and did

 # memtest 2400

 The output I got is:
 Continuing with unlocked memory; testing will be slower and less reliable.

 ...
 pagesize 4096
 pagesizemask is 0xf000
 want 2400MB (2516582400 bytes)
 got   2400MB (2516582400 bytes), trying mlock ...failed for unknown reason
 Loop 1:
 .

 In my /etc/rc/conf file I had added these lines in the past (when I had 4gb 
 RAM installed in it)

 sysctl -w kern.ipc.shmmax=1954311424
 sysctl -w kern.ipc.shmall=238000

 What is the case here? Why is memtest failing to use mlock? How can I 
 eventually make sure I can run memtest with 8000mb?

 The purpose of this machine is that it will be used for a various data 
 intensive tasks where I need to be able to allocate as much memory possible. 
 I am running a postgresql database server on it as well to store my source 
 data.

I've run into similar problems trying to use that particular memtest port.

If you want to more reliably test the memory, I'd suggest using
memtest86+ from http://www.memtest.org/

It is much more thorough and runs independent of the operating system.

Regards,
Josh
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flex from ports kills buildworld?

2009-04-09 Thread Steve Franks
Probably doing something stupid, but on the off chance I'm not:

- Had to install a newer flex from ports for something.
- Had to move the system flex to avoid hacking reams of bad makefiles
- Did a buildworld, and it can't find a flex
- Seems to me, buildworld should be able to use a newer flex, and
should be able to use the one from /usr/local instead of /sbin

Thanks,
Steve

[st...@dynstant /usr/src]$ sudo make buildworld
...
flex -ogengtype-lex.c
/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools/../../../../contrib/gcc/gengtype-lex.l
flex:No such file or directory
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/src.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/src.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/src.
[st...@dynstant /usr/src]$ which flex
/usr/local/bin/flex
[st...@dynstant /usr/src]$
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Re: Multiple instances of MySQL

2009-04-09 Thread Brent Bloxam

Mel Flynn wrote:

Any reason a jail can't be used? This would allow sharing the binary using 
null or union fs, little overhead, yet seperated from host install and no 
maintenance of port installed files, like rc.d/mysql-server.


Unionfs, unix sockets and flush operations don't like each other from 
what I know, so make sure your database directory and socket aren't 
going to be located on a unionfs mount and you should be okay. Someone 
feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on this, but I definitely haven't 
been able to get MySQL to play nice with unionfs

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Re: USB SD-card reader recognized, but not working, on 6.1

2009-04-09 Thread perryh
Roland Smith rsm...@xs4all.nl wrote:
 Are you sure that the drive isn't partitioned? In other words,
 if you plug in the drive, and you give the command 'ls /dev/da0*',
 do you only get /dev/da0 or perhaps also /dev/da0s1? If it is
 partitioned, try /dev/da0s? instead.

It's an SD card, not a drive, so I had not expected it to be
partitioned; but yes, it is:

$ ls -l /dev/da0*
crw-r-  1 root  operator0, 244 Feb 14 15:09 /dev/da0
crw-r-  1 root  operator0, 245 Feb 14 15:09 /dev/da0s1

 Second, does the user running mtools have read and write access
 to the device?

Read-only, which should be sufficient for mdir.  The card is,
deliberately, write-protected.

After reconfiguring mtools to read from /dev/da0s1, I started
getting those umass0: BBB bulk-in clear stall failed, TIMEOUT
messages again, but I can read it a sector at a time using dd:

$ dd if=/dev/da0 of=~/sd bs=1b

That's been running for something like 45 minutes now, and based on
the size of the output file it has read about a tenth of the card.

It looks as if the problem arises only when attempting to read
larger blocks.  (I haven't tried to find out how much larger.)

 Have you tried just mounting the card reader?

No, because I'd expect to panic the system if it is not in fact a
valid (and readable) FAT filesystem.  Mtools seems much safer.
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Re: USB SD-card reader recognized, but not working, on 6.1

2009-04-09 Thread Roland Smith
On Thu, Apr 09, 2009 at 12:47:23PM -0700, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
 Roland Smith rsm...@xs4all.nl wrote:
  Are you sure that the drive isn't partitioned? In other words,
  if you plug in the drive, and you give the command 'ls /dev/da0*',
  do you only get /dev/da0 or perhaps also /dev/da0s1? If it is
  partitioned, try /dev/da0s? instead.
 
 It's an SD card, not a drive, so I had not expected it to be
 partitioned; but yes, it is:
 
 $ ls -l /dev/da0*
 crw-r-  1 root  operator0, 244 Feb 14 15:09 /dev/da0
 crw-r-  1 root  operator0, 245 Feb 14 15:09 /dev/da0s1

That would suggest that there is a filesystem on there, doesn't it?
 
  Second, does the user running mtools have read and write access
  to the device?
 
 Read-only, which should be sufficient for mdir.  The card is,
 deliberately, write-protected.
 
 After reconfiguring mtools to read from /dev/da0s1, I started
 getting those umass0: BBB bulk-in clear stall failed, TIMEOUT
 messages again, but I can read it a sector at a time using dd:

Try running unplugging the device, run 'camcontrol rescan all' and plug
it in again. Then wait until the devices show up.

 $ dd if=/dev/da0 of=~/sd bs=1b
 
 That's been running for something like 45 minutes now, and based on
 the size of the output file it has read about a tenth of the card.

Reading one byte at a time is bound to be slow.

It could be that this USB chipset needs some quirks to work correctly.

There are some really crappy USB chipsets out there. E.g. I've had trouble
with prolific controllers, especially on older (single core) machines.

If you are in a position to do so, you could try the new USB stack in
8-CURRENT. 

  Have you tried just mounting the card reader?
 
 No, because I'd expect to panic the system if it is not in fact a
 valid (and readable) FAT filesystem.  Mtools seems much safer.

I can't recall mount_msdosfs ever panicing the kernel on me in that
case. It usually just fails.

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Re: USB SD-card reader recognized, but not working, on 6.1

2009-04-09 Thread Polytropon
On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 12:47:23 -0700, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
 It's an SD card, not a drive, so I had not expected it to be
 partitioned; but yes, it is:
 
 $ ls -l /dev/da0*
 crw-r-  1 root  operator0, 244 Feb 14 15:09 /dev/da0
 crw-r-  1 root  operator0, 245 Feb 14 15:09 /dev/da0s1

Why don't you expect this? As far as I know, if something is
msdosfs-formatted (read: any Windows readable file system,
FAT), it always involves a slice device. I never found a
situation where access to /dev/da0 would work.

You can always check any partitioning with

# fdisk da0

which prints out a partition table. In your case, the card in the
reader will have one DOS partition which is to be accessed via the
slice device.

The same is usually true for USB sticks, digital cameras (umass+da)
and MP3 players.

As long as you don't format them with UFS, you'll always find the
situation described above. You can easily get rid of it by

# newfs /dev/da0

but don't expect Windows to be able to read it afterwards. :-)



 Read-only, which should be sufficient for mdir.  The card is,
 deliberately, write-protected.

Okay, that should not interference any reading process.



 After reconfiguring mtools to read from /dev/da0s1, I started
 getting those umass0: BBB bulk-in clear stall failed, TIMEOUT
 messages again, [...]

This indicates that the card reader (and mostly not the card itself)
is using non-standard compliant chipsets. I had a crappy MP3
player which didn't work on older FreeBSD versions, but does
today. I could not access it - the same situation as you described
it.

That is no failure of FreeBSD, it's simply the fact that the
manufacturer of the card drive produced crap.



 [...]  but I can read it a sector at a time using dd:
 
 $ dd if=/dev/da0 of=~/sd bs=1b
 
 That's been running for something like 45 minutes now, and based on
 the size of the output file it has read about a tenth of the card.
 
 It looks as if the problem arises only when attempting to read
 larger blocks.  (I haven't tried to find out how much larger.)

As it has been explained, it's completely normal that it is so slow.



  Have you tried just mounting the card reader?
 
 No, because I'd expect to panic the system if it is not in fact a
 valid (and readable) FAT filesystem.  Mtools seems much safer.

Don't worry. Especially for diagnostics it's useful first to try
the system's tools, and then third-party software (mtools).

# mount -t msdosfs -o ro /dev/da0s1 /mnt
# ls -R /mnt

That should work.

In any case, remember to unmount the card before ejecting it. To the
system, the situation is similar to removing a hard disk without
any warning - not good. :-)

# umount /mnt

If problems seem to slow down or stop the CAM subsystem, you can
always use

# camcontrol rescan all

to let the system update what's on the SCSI bus. In most cases,
you won't see any system panics. It *may* happen when you're pulling
the card out of the drive while writing on it. Just imagine it was
a regular hard disk - does the system encourage you to do so? :-)



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Re: flex from ports kills buildworld?

2009-04-09 Thread Joseph Olatt
On Thu, Apr 09, 2009 at 12:53:09PM -0700, Steve Franks wrote:
 Probably doing something stupid, but on the off chance I'm not:
 
 - Had to install a newer flex from ports for something.
 - Had to move the system flex to avoid hacking reams of bad makefiles
 - Did a buildworld, and it can't find a flex
 - Seems to me, buildworld should be able to use a newer flex, and
 should be able to use the one from /usr/local instead of /sbin
 
 Thanks,
 Steve
 
 [st...@dynstant /usr/src]$ sudo make buildworld
 ...
 flex -ogengtype-lex.c
 /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools/../../../../contrib/gcc/gengtype-lex.l
 flex:No such file or directory
 *** Error code 1
 
 Stop in /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools.
 *** Error code 1
 
 Stop in /usr/src.
 *** Error code 1
 
 Stop in /usr/src.
 *** Error code 1
 
 Stop in /usr/src.
 [st...@dynstant /usr/src]$ which flex
 /usr/local/bin/flex
 [st...@dynstant /usr/src]$

It appears that your flex in /usr/local/bin is not being found.
It is possible that PATH for the build environment does not 
contain /usr/local/bin probably in order to have a controlled
build environment.

Why don't  you temporarily do:

ln -s /usr/local/bin/flex /usr/bin/flex

and see if that works.
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sqlite3 won't install

2009-04-09 Thread gahn

hi all:

for portupgrade, one of packages, sqlite3 just won't install, even i tried to 
install it manually:

/usr/bin/install -c -o root -g wheel -m 0644 sqlite3.pc 
/usr/local/libdata/pkgconfig
libtool: install: error: cannot install `libtclsqlite3.la' to a directory not 
ending in /usr/local/lib/tcl8.4/sqlite3
*** Error code 1


how could i fix this?


  
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sqlite3 won't install

2009-04-09 Thread Robert Huff

gahn writes:

  for portupgrade, one of packages, sqlite3 just won't install,
  even i tried to install it manually: 
  
  /usr/bin/install -c -o root -g wheel -m 0644 sqlite3.pc 
 /usr/local/libdata/pkgconfig
  libtool: install: error: cannot install `libtclsqlite3.la' to a directory 
 not ending in /usr/local/lib/tcl8.4/sqlite3
  *** Error code 1
  
  how could i fix this?

Unset the TCLWRAPPER option.


Robert Huff

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Open Office

2009-04-09 Thread Olivier Nicole
Hi,

I just installed Open Office (openoffice.org-2.4.2_1) from the ports
on a new 6.4 amd64 machine.

It installed fine, but whenever I start it, it comes back asking me
for the user set-up. (same thing with OpenOffice 3 from the ports).

When I try to save a document it pops-up: General Input/ouput error
while accessing /my/file/name and creates an empty file.

What could be the reason?

TIA,

Olivier
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Re: USB SD-card reader recognized, but not working, on 6.1

2009-04-09 Thread perryh
Roland Smith rsm...@xs4all.nl wrote:
 On Thu, Apr 09, 2009 at 12:47:23PM -0700, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
  It's an SD card, not a drive, so I had not expected it to be
  partitioned; but yes, it is:
  
  $ ls -l /dev/da0*
  crw-r-  1 root  operator0, 244 Feb 14 15:09 /dev/da0
  crw-r-  1 root  operator0, 245 Feb 14 15:09 /dev/da0s1

 That would suggest that there is a filesystem on there, doesn't it?

It would certainly suggest there is a DOS partition table aka
BSD slice table.  I don't think it says anything about what the
slice contains, however.

  $ dd if=/dev/da0 of=~/sd bs=1b
  
  That's been running for something like 45 minutes now, and based
  on the size of the output file it has read about a tenth of the
  card.

 Reading one byte at a time is bound to be slow.

dd bs=1b is one block (512 bytes), not one byte.

At least it seems to be working.  I *would* anticipate problems if
trying to read a umass device in units not a multiple of its native
blocksize.

 It could be that this USB chipset needs some quirks to work
 correctly.

like Don't attempt to read more than 32768 bytes at a time --
subsequent testing shows it to be OK up to bs=64b, but bs=126b
fails -- or is there maybe a way to set that sort of limit in
mtools?
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Re: USB SD-card reader recognized, but not working, on 6.1

2009-04-09 Thread perryh
Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote:
 On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 12:47:23 -0700, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
  It's an SD card, not a drive, so I had not expected it to be
  partitioned; but yes, it is:
  
  $ ls -l /dev/da0*
  crw-r-  1 root  operator0, 244 Feb 14 15:09 /dev/da0
  crw-r-  1 root  operator0, 245 Feb 14 15:09 /dev/da0s1

 Why don't you expect this? As far as I know, if something is
 msdosfs-formatted (read: any Windows readable file system,
 FAT), it always involves a slice device. I never found a
 situation where access to /dev/da0 would work.

My experience is exactly the reverse.  I've never before seen a
removable-media device (floppy, Zip-drive, JAZ drive) that *did*
have a DOS partition table aka BSD slice table.  Surely you
would not expect a USB floppy to show up as /dev/da0s1?

AFAIK the reason for creating slices is to identify sections of
the device for use by different OS -- something often needed
for multi-boot from a hard drive but seldom on removable media.
I sure wasn't planning to use part of this SD card for my camera
to store pictures on, and the rest for FreeBSD backups :)
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Re: Open Office

2009-04-09 Thread Olivier Nicole
Hi,

Sorry I should have searched around before asking :(

 I just installed Open Office (openoffice.org-2.4.2_1) from the ports
 on a new 6.4 amd64 machine.
 
 It installed fine, but whenever I start it, it comes back asking me
 for the user set-up. (same thing with OpenOffice 3 from the ports).
 
 When I try to save a document it pops-up: General Input/ouput error
 while accessing /my/file/name and creates an empty file.
 
 What could be the reason?

With NFS mounted file system, must run rpc.lockd and rpc.statd on the
NFS server.

Olivier
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Open Office

2009-04-09 Thread Robert Huff

Olivier Nicole writes:

  I just installed Open Office (openoffice.org-2.4.2_1) from the ports
  on a new 6.4 amd64 machine.
  
  It installed fine, but whenever I start it, it comes back asking me
  for the user set-up. (same thing with OpenOffice 3 from the ports).
  
  When I try to save a document it pops-up: General Input/ouput error
  while accessing /my/file/name and creates an empty file.

I recently installed OOo-3 on i386, and get the second error
but not the first,  Specifically, I cannot Save but can Save As.
I am willing to do reasonable testing (modulo a rebuild taking 30+
hours) in support of fixing this,


Robert Huff

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Re: USB SD-card reader recognized, but not working, on 6.1

2009-04-09 Thread Roland Smith
On Thu, Apr 09, 2009 at 08:01:29PM -0700, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
 Roland Smith rsm...@xs4all.nl wrote:
  On Thu, Apr 09, 2009 at 12:47:23PM -0700, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
   It's an SD card, not a drive, so I had not expected it to be
   partitioned; but yes, it is:
   
   $ ls -l /dev/da0*
   crw-r-  1 root  operator0, 244 Feb 14 15:09 /dev/da0
   crw-r-  1 root  operator0, 245 Feb 14 15:09 /dev/da0s1
 
  That would suggest that there is a filesystem on there, doesn't it?
 
 It would certainly suggest there is a DOS partition table aka
 BSD slice table.  I don't think it says anything about what the
 slice contains, however.

Well, why bother making slices if you're not going to put a filesystem
on it?

snip
  It could be that this USB chipset needs some quirks to work
  correctly.
 
 like Don't attempt to read more than 32768 bytes at a time --
 subsequent testing shows it to be OK up to bs=64b, but bs=126b
 fails -- or is there maybe a way to set that sort of limit in
 mtools?

I don't know. The quirks I was talking about are built into the USB
drivers. See /usr/src/sys/dev/usb/umass.c

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OT: Postfix rejects from Freebsd server

2009-04-09 Thread Da Rock

I know this may be OT, but I could use some help on this one. I've
completed a major changeover in network provider, and I've now got a
proper static ip including ptr records for my mail server (the only
service that really counts on this anyway).

If I resolveip for my ip address it shows up my mail server name, and
YET I still get deferred rejection from the freebsd mx's.

Can anyone shed some light on this?

Pls cc as I'm not subscribed to the list via this account
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