Re: what about BadAtom Error?

2009-06-04 Thread PstreeM China
i mean that , use the command $rox  ... that's ok , i can explorer my
directory and file .

but , i want Rox to Manager my desktop , use the command #rox -p default
,the error is still there .

befer upgrade the ports (#portupgrade -arR) , the rox is worked fine  !

On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Chris Rees utis...@googlemail.com wrote:

 2009/6/3 PstreeM China pstr...@gmail.com:

  On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 3:48 PM, Chris Rees utis...@googlemail.com
 wrote:
 
  2009/6/1 PstreeM China pstr...@gmail.com:
   hi all:
  
   yesterday , after i upgrade my Ports, use the command #portupgrade
   -arR  ...
   then , my program rox is error ..
   Today From Google , i haven't find any useful information ..
  
   how can i Fix it ???  thanks All !!
  
   use the command $rox -p Default , Report the Error::
   ###
   (ROX-Filer:78077): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_x11_atom_to_xatom_for_display:
   assertion `atom != GDK_NONE' failed
   The program 'ROX-Filer' received an X Window System error.
   This probably reflects a bug in the program.
   The error was 'BadAtom (invalid Atom parameter)'.
(Details: serial 246 error_code 5 request_code 20 minor_code 0)
(Note to programmers: normally, X errors are reported asynchronously;
 that is, you will receive the error a while after causing it.
 To debug your program, run it with the --sync command line
 option to change this behavior. You can then get a meaningful
 backtrace from your debugger if you break on the gdk_x_error()
   function.)
   #
 
  Try portupgrade -fr rox
 
  Sometimes just recompiling and relinking can help; stops dependencies
  on stale libraries.
 
  Chris
 
 
 
  after reinstall the rox-filer , there is not help me to fix it ..
 
  thanks all the time..
 
 

 Do you mean it hasn't worked, and hasn't fixed it?

 Chris


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Re: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD

2009-06-04 Thread Wojciech Puchar

Ignore him please.


because?
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Re: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD

2009-06-04 Thread Chris Rees
2009/6/4 Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl:
 Ignore him please.

 because?

The FreeBSD project still uses man pages as the principle form of
documentation. Texinfo is for GNU projects. Try 'info tar' on a BSD
system, you'll get the man page.

Chris



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Re: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD

2009-06-04 Thread Wojciech Puchar


because?


The FreeBSD project still uses man pages as the principle form of
documentation. Texinfo is for GNU projects. Try 'info tar' on a BSD
system, you'll get the man page.


indeed. But i was talking about how linux looks. Forgot to read all - as 
usual?

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Re: phidgets for FreeBSD?

2009-06-04 Thread Mel Flynn
On Wednesday 03 June 2009 14:07:53 Ghirai wrote:
 Is there any (native) FreeBSD supoprt for Phidgets
 (http://www.phidgets.com?

I think you have the question backwards - it should be does Phidgets support 
FreeBSD and that you can answer. There seems to be linux source, how far 
did you get trying to compile it?
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Re: pkg_deinstall: delete all packages installed, except for X, Y and Z

2009-06-04 Thread Fbsd1

Wojciech Puchar wrote:

Hello list.

I am trying to clean up a system with a LOT of cruft. Is there some
argument I could pass to pkg_deinstall that would result in delete
all packages installed, except for X, Y and Z (and obviously their
dependancies)?


just do

pkg_info |cut -f 1 -d   /tmp/pkglist
edit pkglist and delete lines X, Y and Z

do

pkg_delete `cat /tmp/pkglist`
rm /tmp/pkglist

ignore errors about package can't be deleted because X, Y or Z requires 
it. it's exactly what you want.



pkg_delete `cat /tmp/pkglist`  gives error 'no such package `cat 
/tmp/pkglist` installed

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Re: pkg_deinstall: delete all packages installed, except for X, Y and Z

2009-06-04 Thread Wojciech Puchar
ignore errors about package can't be deleted because X, Y or Z requires it. 
it's exactly what you want.



pkg_delete `cat /tmp/pkglist`  gives error 'no such package `cat 
/tmp/pkglist` installed




for sure you used ' instead of `

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Forgotten password

2009-06-04 Thread Deji Ogunsanya
Good day am a new user of of freebsd Os and i forgot my login password, i will 
need an assitance on how to get it changed.

Thanks
Deji

 
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Re: Forgotten password

2009-06-04 Thread Wojciech Puchar

Good day am a new user of of freebsd Os and i forgot my login password, i will 
need an assitance on how to get it changed.

boot, press 4 at boot loader prompt to get single user.

after seeing a guestion what to run as a shell (/bin/sh as default) press 
enter.


then

/sbin/mount /
/usr/bin/passwd
change password

then press CTRL-D

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Re: Forgotten password

2009-06-04 Thread Joseph Olatt
On Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 01:32:27PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
 Good day am a new user of of freebsd Os and i forgot my login password, i 
 will need an assitance on how to get it changed.
 boot, press 4 at boot loader prompt to get single user.
 
 after seeing a guestion what to run as a shell (/bin/sh as default) press 
 enter.
 
 then
 
 /sbin/mount /
 /usr/bin/passwd

Without any arguments, the password for root will probably get changed. 
If the user wants to change his/her personal account passwd, then:

/usr/bin/passwd login


 change password
 
 then press CTRL-D
 
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Re: Forgotten password

2009-06-04 Thread Mel Flynn
On Thursday 04 June 2009 13:32:27 Wojciech Puchar wrote:
  Good day am a new user of of freebsd Os and i forgot my login password, i
  will need an assitance on how to get it changed.

 boot, press 4 at boot loader prompt to get single user.

 after seeing a guestion what to run as a shell (/bin/sh as default) press
 enter.

 then


fsck -p
/etc/rc.d/mountcritlocal start
 /sbin/mount /
^^^ strike that
 /usr/bin/passwd
^^^ won't work if /usr seperate partition and isn't mounted
^^^ will work on root user, which OP doesn't state he lost the password for.
/usr/bin/passwd -l username
to change for a specific user.


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Re: presentation application (other than OpenOffice)?

2009-06-04 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Wednesday, November 26, 2008 a las 02:55:43PM +, Didi escribió:

 You might want to have a look at
 http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/s5/
 Works in a browser ;)

any idea why S5 does not work in KDE's 3.5.x Konqueror? for example this
page shows up only blank in Konqueror:

http://www.unixarea.de/OpenMokoLiaHab/

while it works fine in Firefox...

Thanks in advance for any hint

matthias

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Re: Forgotten password

2009-06-04 Thread Wojciech Puchar

/sbin/mount /
/usr/bin/passwd


Without any arguments, the password for root will probably get changed.
If the user wants to change his/her personal account passwd, then:


what a sense to reboot and get single user mode to change non-root 
password? just log as root and then change

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Re: Can One Query an Oracle 10 Data Base under FreeBSD?

2009-06-04 Thread Martin McCormick
Tyson Boellstorff writes:
 On Tuesday 02 June 2009 17:07:57 Gary Gatten wrote:
  Surely there's a native Oracle SQL or ODBC client in the ports
  collection.  Have you checked there?
 
 
 I believe OP is looking for assurances that the oracle 7 and 8 clients 
 listed
 in ports/databases would work. If he just needs a connection and to run 
 ANSI
 SQL, it would work just as fine or maybe a little better than ODBC. The
 problem is that some things are not supported in the 7/8 clients that he 
 may
 want. In that case, he should be looking at running the linux-based 
 clients
 for more direct supportability from Oracle.

First, my sincere thanks to everybody who answered. I
did look in ports first thing and found a bewildering array of
possibilities. We are going to be querying a Pinnacle server and
I suspect the suggestions to use the linux-based instant clients
are going to be what we need. I presently know next to nothing
useful about oracle data bases so the suggestions are much
appreciated.

My understanding of the project we have been asked to do
is that we go to the Pinnacle server, query the data base and
look for a given flag that something new is here, pull in what
is new, massage some headers and then send them to another
device. Only the initial retrieval uses the oracle data base,
but it is not a data base we control so we get it from the
Pinnacle server and we will have to speak in tones it likes.:-)
Martin McCormick
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Re: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD

2009-06-04 Thread Chris Rees
2009/6/4 Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl:

 because?

 The FreeBSD project still uses man pages as the principle form of
 documentation. Texinfo is for GNU projects. Try 'info tar' on a BSD
 system, you'll get the man page.

 indeed. But i was talking about how linux looks. Forgot to read all - as
 usual?


As usual? Beg pardon, would you care to point out where I've done that before?

I'd imagine he's also talking about the Handbook, and the fact that
man pages are infinitely easier to read and get useful information out
of than texinfo pages.

Perhaps your emails would be easier to read if they weren't so rushed.
Perhaps explain what you mean rather than copy-pasting from somewhere,
or even worse, typing it WRONG from memory?

Chris

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A: Top-posting.
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n00b question regarding installation via serial console

2009-06-04 Thread John .
Hello list,

Is it possible to boot into the serial console from the installation
CD, or must boot.flp be used as per
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/install-advanced.html ?
(the machine has no floppy drive (yet)

thanks
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Re: n00b question regarding installation via serial console

2009-06-04 Thread Wojciech Puchar

Hello list,

Is it possible to boot into the serial console from the installation
CD, or must boot.flp be used as per


make your own CD

add file boot.config containing just one line:

-P


to existing, make sure you it's bootable (mkisofs -b boot/cdboot 
-no-emul-boot) and record



refer to

man boot.config
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Re: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD

2009-06-04 Thread Kirk Strauser
On Thursday 04 June 2009 08:28:08 am Chris Rees wrote:

 Perhaps your emails would be easier to read if they weren't so rushed.

I think that's the problem.  After re-reading his email, I think I can see how 
he meant it to refer to the state of Linux's documentation and not FreeBSD's, 
but I really had to go looking for that interpretation.
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xf86-video-intel-2.7.1

2009-06-04 Thread Jimmie James
I'm tired of X craping it's pants. After a day or so, if I try to exit 
and restart X

X locks up, screen garbles and the following is in Xorg.0.log shows:
WW) intel(0): drmDropMaster failed: Unknown error: -1
(II) intel(0): [drm] removed 1 reserved context for kernel
(II) intel(0): [drm] unmapping 8192 bytes of SAREA 0xc510a000 at 0x28851000
(II) intel(0): [drm] Closed DRM master.

While the console shows 
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/jimmiejaz/xcrash.jpg making it 
useless.


If I switch to the vesa driver, will I get stuck with stupid resolution, 
like 1024x768, and what will I be missing out on (aside from the crashes)?


Opinions please?


vgap...@pci0:0:2:0:	class=0x03 card=0x25821043 chip=0x25828086 
rev=0x04 hdr=0x00

vendor = 'Intel Corporation'
device = '82915G/GV/GL, 82910GL Integrated Graphics Device'
class  = display
subclass   = VGA
~xrandr
Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1600 x 1200, maximum 1600 x 1600
VGA connected 1600x1200+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 
306mm x 230mm

   1600x1200  65.0*
   1280x1024  75.0
   1280x960   60.0
   1152x864   75.0
   1024x768   85.0 75.0 70.1 60.0 43.5
   832x62474.6

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Can a Bourn Shell Script put itself in the background?

2009-06-04 Thread Martin McCormick
I tried 

bg $$

but $$ is the current process invoked just as $! is the process
of a backgrounded process started by that shell.

So, can I make a shell script background itself after
starting?

Right now, I remind my coworkers to append the  after the
script name. the bg command expects a job number, not a process
ID.

Martin McCormick WB5AGZ  Stillwater, OK 
Systems Engineer
OSU Information Technology Department Telecommunications Services Group
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Re: n00b question regarding installation via serial console

2009-06-04 Thread Jonathan McKeown
On Thursday 04 June 2009 15:46:11 John . wrote:
 Hello list,

 Is it possible to boot into the serial console from the installation
 CD, or must boot.flp be used as per
 http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/install-advanced.html ?
 (the machine has no floppy drive (yet)

It's possible - but only by making your own install CD. Check back through the 
list archives: Martin McCormick and I had a lengthy discussion about this a 
while back.

Jonathan
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SetUID/SetGID Kernel Option

2009-06-04 Thread Martin McCormick
I have been asked to enable the following kernel option:

   SetUID/SetGID - Allow directories to inherit their owner from the
   parent directory.

The generic kernel under FreeBSD6.3 is what we presently use on
the system in question and I see no commented-out option for
compilation.

We see in the fstab the following:

# DeviceMountpoint  FStype  Options DumpPass#
#Default is for no SUIDDIR.
#/dev/mfid0s1a  /   ufs rw  1   1
#Living a bit more dangerously, we turned it back on.
/dev/mfid0s1a   /   ufs rw,SUIDDIR 11

This looks like it may address the issue, but a test shows that
it does not appear to happen.

Where do I use this option?

This seems to be my day for asking strange questions but
I have run up against a couple of things that are not in my
usual sphere of knowledge and nothing jumped out at me from
documentation.

Martin McCormick WB5AGZ  Stillwater, OK 
Systems Engineer
OSU Information Technology Department Telecommunications Services Group
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Re: Can a Bourn Shell Script put itself in the background?

2009-06-04 Thread Nikos Vassiliadis

Martin McCormick wrote:

So, can I make a shell script background itself after
starting?


You could run all your code in a sub-shell:
#!/bin/sh
(
#your script here
) 

or in a shell function:
old_script()
{
#your script here
}

old_script $* 

Perhaps the second way requires less code
re-factoring...

Nikos
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cups and ghostscript recursive dependency problem

2009-06-04 Thread Mike Clarke
I'm getting recursive dependency problems following a recent 
portupgrade -a.

I've deinstalled cups-base as advised in UPDATING and somehow 
ghostscript8 has also ended up being removed. Now when I attempt to 
rebuild cups-base I get recursive dependency problems.

curlew:/root# cd /usr/ports/print/cups-base

curlew:/usr/ports/print/cups-base# make

===   cups-base-1.3.10_2 depends on file: /usr/local/lib/libcups.a - 
found
===   cups-base-1.3.10_2 depends on executable: gmake - found
===   cups-base-1.3.10_2 depends on executable: gs - not found
===Verifying install for gs in /usr/ports/print/ghostscript8
===   ghostscript8-8.64_4 depends on executable: gmake - found
===   ghostscript8-8.64_4 depends on 
file: /usr/local/libdata/pkgconfig/xt.pc - found
===   ghostscript8-8.64_4 depends on 
file: /usr/local/libdata/pkgconfig/xext.pc - found
===   ghostscript8-8.64_4 depends on shared library: jpeg.9 - found
===   ghostscript8-8.64_4 depends on shared library: png.5 - found
===   ghostscript8-8.64_4 depends on shared library: 
libcupsimage.so.2 - not found
===Verifying install for libcupsimage.so.2 
in /usr/ports/print/cups-base
===   cups-base-1.3.10_2 depends on file: /usr/local/lib/libcups.a - 
found
===   cups-base-1.3.10_2 depends on executable: gmake - found
===   cups-base-1.3.10_2 depends on executable: gs - not found
===Verifying install for gs in /usr/ports/print/ghostscript8
===   ghostscript8-8.64_4 depends on executable: gmake - found
===   ghostscript8-8.64_4 depends on 
file: /usr/local/libdata/pkgconfig/xt.pc - found
===   ghostscript8-8.64_4 depends on 
file: /usr/local/libdata/pkgconfig/xext.pc - found
===   ghostscript8-8.64_4 depends on shared library: jpeg.9 - found
===   ghostscript8-8.64_4 depends on shared library: png.5 - found
===   ghostscript8-8.64_4 depends on shared library: 
libcupsimage.so.2 - not found
===Verifying install for libcupsimage.so.2 
in /usr/ports/print/cups-base
===   cups-base-1.3.10_2 depends on file: /usr/local/lib/libcups.a - 
found
===   cups-base-1.3.10_2 depends on executable: gmake - found
===   cups-base-1.3.10_2 depends on executable: gs - not found


... this repeats many times until it changes to ...


make: Max recursion level (500) exceeded.: Resource temporarily 
unavailable
*** Error code 2

Stop in /usr/ports/print/cups-base.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/ports/print/ghostscript8.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/ports/print/cups-base.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/ports/print/ghostscript8.
*** Error code 1

... I've already run pkgdb -Ff which deleted lots of redundant 
dependencies on cups-base and ghostscript8 but I consistently get the 
recursive problem. What should I try next?

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RE: Can a Bourn Shell Script put itself in the background?

2009-06-04 Thread Barry Byrne

 From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org 
 [mailto:owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of 
 Martin McCormick

 I tried 
 
 bg $$
 
 but $$ is the current process invoked just as $! is the process
 of a backgrounded process started by that shell.
 
   So, can I make a shell script background itself after
 starting?
 
 Right now, I remind my coworkers to append the  after the
 script name. the bg command expects a job number, not a process
 ID.

Martin,

If you mean you'd like to be able to put a script that is already running
into the background, then you could press CTRL-Z to suspend the process.
Then running 'jobs' will list the job id. Then 'bg jobnumber' (probably 1)
should put it into the background.

Cheers,

Barry

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Re: n00b question regarding installation via serial console

2009-06-04 Thread John .
Hi,

Thanks everyone, I know what to do now :D

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Re: SetUID/SetGID Kernel Option

2009-06-04 Thread Jonathan McKeown
Hi Martin

On Thursday 04 June 2009 16:23:29 Martin McCormick wrote:

   I have been asked to enable the following kernel option:

SetUID/SetGID - Allow directories to inherit their owner from the
parent directory.

 The generic kernel under FreeBSD6.3 is what we presently use on
 the system in question and I see no commented-out option for
 compilation.

You need to add

option SUIDDIR

To the kernel config. You can find a sample line in /sys/conf/NOTES

   We see in the fstab the following:

 # Device  Mountpoint  FStype  Options DumpPass#
 #Default is for no SUIDDIR.
 #/dev/mfid0s1a/   ufs rw  1   
 1
 #Living a bit more dangerously, we turned it back on.
 /dev/mfid0s1a /   ufs rw,SUIDDIR 11

 This looks like it may address the issue, but a test shows that
 it does not appear to happen.

Once you've recompiled the kernel you also need to use suiddir in the mount 
options for any filesystem where you want file ownership to be inherited from 
the directory.

It's described in the kernel notes and in the mount manpage as a dangerous 
option which opens security holes.

I notice that you mention setGID as well, which under sysV-derived systems 
allows file to inherit group ownership from the directory. If that's what's 
wanted, you don't need to do anything, as the behaviour that's optional on 
sysV systems like Linux is the default behaviour on FreeBSD.

Jonathan
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{Classmates#889-142}read it immediately

2009-06-04 Thread Dion Innes
I did not ask to renew my membership in May. My account was 
automatically charged $39.00. I would like to cancel and would like my 
account credited.


Thank you,

Dion Innes
503-502-7856

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Re: {Classmates#889-142}read it immediately

2009-06-04 Thread Bill Moran
In response to Dion Innes din...@comcast.net:

 I did not ask to renew my membership in May. My account was 
 automatically charged $39.00. I would like to cancel and would like my 
 account credited.

Not sure who you're trying to reach, but you've failed.  This address is
not associated with Classmates in any way.

I suggest you go to the site you had signed in to and look for contact
information there.

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Re: n00b question regarding installation via serial console

2009-06-04 Thread Wojciech Puchar


man boot.config


Sure that's enough?  ttys is still going to mark the ttyd0 line as
off and won't present a tty/login then.


no. it's set to console in installator IMHO.
that's universal.


I think it's more complicated than that.  And what if the boot process
hangs for some reason?  no console output either by your solution.


why?


Enabling a serial console on a typical install means editing 3 files.
 /boot/loader.conf
 /boot.config
 /etc/ttys

loader.conf needs to know the COM port speed (default 9600), and what
device to output the console.


by default it uses what boot already use. at least it worked for me.

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Re: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD

2009-06-04 Thread Polytropon
On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 10:23:34 +0100, Chris Rees utis...@googlemail.com wrote:
 The FreeBSD project still uses man pages as the principle form of
 documentation.

Sorry I brought up this topic... I don't think manpages are bad,
I cosider them THE BEST SOLUTION for local documentation, so I
don't think your use of the word still is well placed here.

It should be The FreeBSD project uses man pages [...] - not still,
which reads like The FreeBSD project still uses those old
fashioned man pages, but will abandon them soon in favour of
a GUI-driven help system that is used via Internet. :-)

As a programmer, FreeBSD's documentation - beginning with the
manpages, furthermore including the FAQ and the handbook, and
finally the source code as well - is the most excellent kind
of documentation I've seen so far. Returning to the manpages,
they cover everything: Binaries, file formats, maintenance
procedures, kernel interfaces, library calls... nothing
important is missing. If you have a problem with foo, you
simply enter man foo to get more info about it. This is
a situation you won't find in modern Linusi, and sadly, as
well in modern applications on FreeBSD, mostly those that
are GUI driven. Try to find manpages for some program from
the KDE project. In opposite, try man mplayer or man xmms,
and, there's even man opera, but no man firefox. In
those cases where there's no manpage, users are usually
redirected to some web forum, Wiki, or encouraged to write
the documentation on their own. :-) I think Wojciech just had
the same observation.



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Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0
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Re: n00b question regarding installation via serial console

2009-06-04 Thread Tim Judd
On 6/4/09, Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:
 Hello list,

 Is it possible to boot into the serial console from the installation
 CD, or must boot.flp be used as per

 make your own CD

 add file boot.config containing just one line:

 -P


 to existing, make sure you it's bootable (mkisofs -b boot/cdboot
 -no-emul-boot) and record


 refer to

 man boot.config

Sure that's enough?  ttys is still going to mark the ttyd0 line as
off and won't present a tty/login then.

I think it's more complicated than that.  And what if the boot process
hangs for some reason?  no console output either by your solution.



Enabling a serial console on a typical install means editing 3 files.
  /boot/loader.conf
  /boot.config
  /etc/ttys

loader.conf needs to know the COM port speed (default 9600), and what
device to output the console.
boot.config allows the keyboard usage via serial line (the -P probing
doesn't always work, better to use -D dual)
ttys enables the ttyd0 (aka COM1) port to be used to login/use the
system.  It's default is also 9600

Honestly, I've setup a diskless boot server (via my ALIX SBC router),
and it runs the latest -RELEASE and I can launch sysinstall from the
diskless machine and just work off that.



The OP's intention may warrant a diskless server.  I threw spinrite,
memtest and freebsd all as possible options to boot off the network.
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Re: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD

2009-06-04 Thread Wojciech Puchar

It should be The FreeBSD project uses man pages [...] - not still,
which reads like The FreeBSD project still uses those old
fashioned man pages, but will abandon them soon in favour of
a GUI-driven help system that is used via Internet. :-)


are you sure it won't? at least i wish so, as most old fashioned 
software solutions are best.



Returning to the manpages,


putting it simply it works properly here.

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Re: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD

2009-06-04 Thread Chris Rees
2009/6/4 Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl:
 Polytropon wrote:
 It should be The FreeBSD project uses man pages [...] - not still,
 which reads like The FreeBSD project still uses those old
 fashioned man pages, but will abandon them soon in favour of
 a GUI-driven help system that is used via Internet. :-)

 are you sure it won't? at least i wish so, as most old fashioned software
 solutions are best.

 Returning to the manpages,

 putting it simply it works properly here.



Er, yeah, i think man pages are the best solution too, and I apologise
for appearing to look down on them. I can't *stand* info manuals,
they're clunky and bloated.

Also, I meant principal form, not principle. Sorry!

Chris

PS Does _anyone_ prefer info manuals, apart from Stallman?

-- 
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Re: SetUID/SetGID Kernel Option

2009-06-04 Thread Martin McCormick
Jonathan McKeown writes:
 You need to add
 
 option SUIDDIR
 
 To the kernel config. You can find a sample line in /sys/conf/NOTES
 
We see in the fstab the following:


 Once you've recompiled the kernel you also need to use suiddir in the 
 mount
 options for any filesystem where you want file ownership to be inherited 
 from
 the directory.
 
 It's described in the kernel notes and in the mount manpage as a dangerous
 option which opens security holes.

Ah, just what we need.:-)

 
 I notice that you mention setGID as well, which under sysV-derived systems
 allows file to inherit group ownership from the directory. If that's 
 what's
 wanted, you don't need to do anything, as the behaviour that's optional on
 sysV systems like Linux is the default behaviour on FreeBSD.

Thank you very much. I've been using Unix for almost 20
years and have the syndrome that we get comfortable doing what
we do and sometimes need to stretch a bit as there is more than
enough in Unix to keep anybody busy for a lifetime.

Also, thanks for helping the poster get pointed in the
right direction on the serial console install. That has turned
out to be extremely useful.

The latest Debian Linux disk is also easy to install
serially if you can type on the local keyboard long enough to
type h for help, Enter, and then either 
rescue or install console=ttySx for 9600 or add ,38400,n81 or
whatever serial parameters you need.

Martin McCormick WB5AGZ  Stillwater, OK 
Systems Engineer
OSU Information Technology Department Telecommunications Services Group
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I want a laptop to connect to Internet via satelitte

2009-06-04 Thread Steven Friedrich
I have a laptop and I was looking at the ATT LaptopConnect cards.  They 
appear to only work with Windows.  I do need windows support, but I 
insist on FreeBSD support.


I tried looking at the hardware and release notes for FreeBSD, but what 
do you call these devices to distinguish them from wireless ethernet?

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Lexington, KY 40509
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Re: cups and ghostscript recursive dependency problem

2009-06-04 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 15:36:56 +0100, Mike Clarke jmc-freeb...@milibyte.co.uk 
wrote:
 I'm getting recursive dependency problems following a recent
 portupgrade -a.

 I've deinstalled cups-base as advised in UPDATING and somehow
 ghostscript8 has also ended up being removed. Now when I attempt to
 rebuild cups-base I get recursive dependency problems.

 curlew:/root# cd /usr/ports/print/cups-base

 curlew:/usr/ports/print/cups-base# make

 ===   cups-base-1.3.10_2 depends on file: /usr/local/lib/libcups.a -
 found
 ===   cups-base-1.3.10_2 depends on executable: gmake - found
 ===   cups-base-1.3.10_2 depends on executable: gs - not found
 ===Verifying install for gs in /usr/ports/print/ghostscript8
 ===   ghostscript8-8.64_4 depends on executable: gmake - found
 ===   ghostscript8-8.64_4 depends on
 file: /usr/local/libdata/pkgconfig/xt.pc - found
 ===   ghostscript8-8.64_4 depends on
 file: /usr/local/libdata/pkgconfig/xext.pc - found
 ===   ghostscript8-8.64_4 depends on shared library: jpeg.9 - found
 ===   ghostscript8-8.64_4 depends on shared library: png.5 - found
 ===   ghostscript8-8.64_4 depends on shared library:
 libcupsimage.so.2 - not found
 ===Verifying install for libcupsimage.so.2
 in /usr/ports/print/cups-base
 ===   cups-base-1.3.10_2 depends on file: /usr/local/lib/libcups.a -
 found
[...]
 ... this repeats many times until it changes to ...

 make: Max recursion level (500) exceeded.: Resource temporarily
 unavailable
 *** Error code 2

 ... I've already run pkgdb -Ff which deleted lots of redundant
 dependencies on cups-base and ghostscript8 but I consistently get the
 recursive problem. What should I try next?

Do you have the latest port revision of ghostscript8?  We have tweaked
its dependencies in the last 2-3 commits.  Check that the `Makefile' in
`/usr/ports/print/ghostscript8' includes:

# New ports collection makefile for: ghostscript
# Date created:Tue Jun 10 21:58:54 CEST 1997
# Whom:Andreas Klemm andr...@klemm.gtn.com
#
# $FreeBSD$
#

PORTNAME=  ghostscript8
PORTVERSION=   8.64
PORTREVISION=  5
^^

If the PORTREVISION is not 5, then please update the port and try again.

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Re: Can a Bourn Shell Script put itself in the background?

2009-06-04 Thread Nerius Landys
Just a thought, you can use the screen utility depending on what you
are trying to do.  For example if you want to start a job, long out of
the machine completely, and then return to your job to see how it's
running, you may choose to run screen.

 screen bash
(Press Control-A then d)
(Logout from shell)
(Log back in)
 screen -r

Hope this sheds some light.
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Re: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD

2009-06-04 Thread Kirk Strauser
On Thursday 04 June 2009 11:20:24 am Chris Rees wrote:

 PS Does _anyone_ prefer info manuals, apart from Stallman?

I like them *in their place*.  Can you imagine how long the man page for GCC 
would be?  IMHO, though, info pages are only tolerable within Emacs. 
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ISP questions

2009-06-04 Thread Mark Hartkemeyer
I'm pretty new to FreeBSD and was reading part of Greg Lehey's The
Complete FreeBSD 4th Edition.  I found the section on ISPs in chapter
18 really interesting.  I put some of his recommended questions to my
ISP, Cincinnati Bell's Zoomtown.  I think I talked to three or four
people before I even got some of them answered.

Here are some of the questions and answers:

1. What speed connections do you offer?
5MBps upload/5MBps download (she said bytes, but should it be bits?)
768kBps

2. Can you supply a static IP address? At what cost?
Yes, $49.95/month for the whole Internet package

3. How many hops are there to the backbone?
It depends on the site you're trying to reach. (I think they
misunderstood what I meant by backbone?)

4. What kind of hardware and software are you running?
Can't provide this, due to security reasons.

5. Can you supply primary or secondary DNS for me?
You need a static IP.

6. Can you provide name registration? At what cost?
Talk to residential services.

7. Do you give complete access to the Internet, or do you block some ports?
Cannot provide this info, due to security reasons.  After
asking, I was told that I would be able to run a mail server and http
server on my connection.

8. Do you have complete reverse DNS?
(They didn't know.)

I assume this is a pretty typical response from ISPs.  Has anyone
asked their ISP questions like these?  If so, what kind of response
did you get?  Does anyone know of a really good ISP, or a good
resource for finding a good ISP around Cincinnati, OH?

Thanks,
Mark Hartkemeyer
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Named ignoring forward-only zones?

2009-06-04 Thread Kirk Strauser
For some reason, BIND 9 (FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE) isn't properly forwarding 
queries.  A snippet of named.conf:

acl clients {
localnets;
localhost;
::1;  
10.45.12/19;
}; 

view internal {
match-clients { clients; };
zone 5.0.10.in-addr.arpa {
type forward;
forward only;
forwarders { 10.0.5.16; };
};
};


Now, I can query the forwarder directly to get the right answer:

$ dig +noall +answer -t ptr -x 10.0.5.16 @10.0.5.16
16.5.0.10.in-addr.arpa. 86400   IN  PTR kanga.honeypot.net.

But I can't get the same from named:

$ dig -t ptr -x 10.0.5.16

;; -HEADER- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 56485
;; flags: qr aa rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;16.5.0.10.in-addr.arpa.IN  PTR

;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
10.in-addr.arpa.10800   IN  SOA 10.in-addr.arpa. 
nobody.localhost. 42 86400 43200 604800 10800

So, why isn't named directing that query to the configured forwarder?  I'm 
99.9% certain this has been working recently.
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Re: ISP questions

2009-06-04 Thread Diego F. Arias R.
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 11:23 AM, Mark Hartkemeyer hartk...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'm pretty new to FreeBSD and was reading part of Greg Lehey's The
 Complete FreeBSD 4th Edition.  I found the section on ISPs in chapter
 18 really interesting.  I put some of his recommended questions to my
 ISP, Cincinnati Bell's Zoomtown.  I think I talked to three or four
 people before I even got some of them answered.

 Here are some of the questions and answers:

 1. What speed connections do you offer?
    5MBps upload/5MBps download (she said bytes, but should it be bits?)
    768kBps

 2. Can you supply a static IP address? At what cost?
    Yes, $49.95/month for the whole Internet package

 3. How many hops are there to the backbone?
    It depends on the site you're trying to reach. (I think they
 misunderstood what I meant by backbone?)

 4. What kind of hardware and software are you running?
    Can't provide this, due to security reasons.

 5. Can you supply primary or secondary DNS for me?
    You need a static IP.

 6. Can you provide name registration? At what cost?
    Talk to residential services.

 7. Do you give complete access to the Internet, or do you block some ports?
    Cannot provide this info, due to security reasons.  After
 asking, I was told that I would be able to run a mail server and http
 server on my connection.

 8. Do you have complete reverse DNS?
    (They didn't know.)

 I assume this is a pretty typical response from ISPs.  Has anyone
 asked their ISP questions like these?  If so, what kind of response
 did you get?  Does anyone know of a really good ISP, or a good
 resource for finding a good ISP around Cincinnati, OH?

 Thanks,
 Mark Hartkemeyer
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8.Q: I need to change my Reverse DNS on my Static IP for running a mail server.
A: What are you talking about? That doesnt Exist.


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Re: ISP questions

2009-06-04 Thread Bill Moran
In response to Mark Hartkemeyer hartk...@gmail.com:

 I'm pretty new to FreeBSD and was reading part of Greg Lehey's The
 Complete FreeBSD 4th Edition.  I found the section on ISPs in chapter
 18 really interesting.  I put some of his recommended questions to my
 ISP, Cincinnati Bell's Zoomtown.  I think I talked to three or four
 people before I even got some of them answered.
 
 Here are some of the questions and answers:
 
 1. What speed connections do you offer?
 5MBps upload/5MBps download (she said bytes, but should it be bits?)

If they're doing 5 megabyte per second, then sign me up!

 3. How many hops are there to the backbone?
 It depends on the site you're trying to reach. (I think they
 misunderstood what I meant by backbone?)

I suspect you're correct, although it is possible to have multiple
backbones that are different hops away.

 4. What kind of hardware and software are you running?
 Can't provide this, due to security reasons.

That's the stupidest answer I've heard today.

 7. Do you give complete access to the Internet, or do you block some ports?
 Cannot provide this info, due to security reasons.  After
 asking, I was told that I would be able to run a mail server and http
 server on my connection.

That's the stupidest answer I've heard today (just trumped the previous
one).

Reminds me of when I was trying to pay my student loan back, and the bank
refused to tell me what the monthly payment was until I started paying it
back.  No, I'm not making that up or exaggerating.

How do I know what to write the check for?
We'll tell you.
Well then tell me now.
I can't divulge that information until you start making payments.

 8. Do you have complete reverse DNS?
 (They didn't know.)

Heh.  Can they find the bathroom in the dark?

 I assume this is a pretty typical response from ISPs.  Has anyone
 asked their ISP questions like these?  If so, what kind of response
 did you get?  Does anyone know of a really good ISP, or a good
 resource for finding a good ISP around Cincinnati, OH?

I recommend hooking up with your local user's group.  There's probably a
LUG in Cinci somewhere, and most LUGs I know are pretty friendly to BSD
folks, and there will be someone in the LUG who's already done this
research.  How 'bout this:
http://www.clug.org/

If you meet anyone there who recognizes my name, tell them I said Hi.

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Re: I want a laptop to connect to Internet via satelitte

2009-06-04 Thread Roland Smith
On Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 12:22:22PM -0400, Steven Friedrich wrote:
 I have a laptop and I was looking at the ATT LaptopConnect cards.  They 
 appear to only work with Windows.  I do need windows support, but I 
 insist on FreeBSD support.

According to
http://www.wireless.att.com/businesscenter/solutions/wireless-laptop/laptop-connect.jsp
LaptopConnect cards work via GSM/EDGE networks, not via satellite. They
also require something called ATT Communication Manager which is
windows-only, AFAICT.

In short, don't bother with these cards.


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linux compatibility ports upgrade

2009-06-04 Thread Tsu-Fan Cheng
Hi,   Just use portmaster to upgrade ports and found out a lot of linux-*
ports are renewed. But strange to see that upgrading was interrupted by
ports conflicts, such as linux-f8-tiff and linux-tiff. What I have are a
whole bunch of f8 stuff, I dont understand why portmaster choose to upgrade
ports that are not f8. And also curious to know which linux* is better?
with or without f8/f10? thank you!!

TFC
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Re: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD

2009-06-04 Thread Wojciech Puchar

PS Does _anyone_ prefer info manuals, apart from Stallman?

I don't, it's much easier to just type man something than browsing through 
big document

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Re: I want a laptop to connect to Internet via satelitte

2009-06-04 Thread Wojciech Puchar


I have a laptop and I was looking at the ATT LaptopConnect cards.  They 
appear to only work with Windows.  I do need windows support, but I insist on 
FreeBSD support.


I tried looking at the hardware and release notes for FreeBSD, but what do 
you call these devices to distinguish them from wireless ethernet?

--
just plug that card and look what dmesg says. Usually marketing people 
don't even know if it work under anything else. You have to check

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Re: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD

2009-06-04 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 05:20:24PM +0100, Chris Rees wrote:

 Er, yeah, i think man pages are the best solution too, and I apologise
 for appearing to look down on them. I can't *stand* info manuals,
 they're clunky and bloated.
 
 Chris
 
 PS Does _anyone_ prefer info manuals, apart from Stallman?

Well, man pages are good at formally documenting the how of use, but
they often are not so helpful on the why and wherefor of use.
Sometimes info manuals add a little for that.   But, that is more
of a content issue than a form issue.   Man pages could easily
be more forthcoming on the why and wherefor concepts.   

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Re: ISP questions

2009-06-04 Thread Jerry
On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 13:10:17 -0400
Bill Moran wmo...@potentialtech.com wrote:

In response to Mark Hartkemeyer hartk...@gmail.com:

 4. What kind of hardware and software are you running?
 Can't provide this, due to security reasons.

That's the stupidest answer I've heard today.

Actually, I had a Comcast representative give basically the same
answer. Evidently, they are trying to discourage 'social engineering''
which is probably not such a bad idea.

 7. Do you give complete access to the Internet, or do you block some
 ports? Cannot provide this info, due to security reasons.  After
 asking, I was told that I would be able to run a mail server and http
 server on my connection.

That's the stupidest answer I've heard today (just trumped the previous
one).

If they can run a mail  http server, they are obviously not blocking
ports 25  80. I would like to know how they are handling MX setting
though.

 8. Do you have complete reverse DNS?
 (They didn't know.)

Heh.  Can they find the bathroom in the dark?

Now the rep should know that, especially if the caller is inquiring
about a business account.


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Re: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD

2009-06-04 Thread Wojciech Puchar

PS Does _anyone_ prefer info manuals, apart from Stallman?


Well, man pages are good at formally documenting the how of use, but
they often are not so helpful on the why and wherefor of use.


for me it's exactly for this - to know how and why to use.


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Re: Can't get ndis0 working

2009-06-04 Thread Paul B. Mahol
On 5/14/09, Neal Hogan nealho...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 4:00 AM, Walter, Richard richard.wal...@hob.de
 wrote:
 Hello,

 I tried to activate my Acer's Aspire 5315 wireless card
 with FreeBSD 7.2 i386 and had no luck.

 What i did:
 1) #prtconf -lv
 no...@pci0:6:0:0:   class=0x028000 card=0x04221468 chip=0x431114e4
 rev=0x01 hdr=0x00
vendor = 'Broadcom Corporation'
device = 'Dell Wireless 1390 WLAN Mini-PCI Card'
class  = network

 2) i Downloaded the R112196.EXE archive from the Dell ftp server and
   extracted bcmwl5.inf and bcmwl5.sys
 3) i copied those files to /sys/modules/if_ndis
 4) # iconv -c -f utf-16 -t ascii bcmwl5.inf  bcmwl5.inf.ascii
 5) with ndisgen and bcmwl5.inf.ascii/bcmwl5.sys i created
   successful bcmwl5_sys.ko.
   The ndisgen wrote a message at sys file loading:
   This .SYS file appears to be in Windows(r) PE format
 6) # cp bcmwl5_sys.ko /boot/kernel
 7) # kldload bcmwl5_sys.ko
kldload: cant't load bcmwl5_sys.ko

   # kldloat /boot/kernel/bcmwl5_sys.ko
kldload: cant't load /boot/kernel/bcmwl5_sys.ko

This is wrong, what is displayed on console?


 8) Next try with help from
 http://dannyman.toldme.com/2005/01/05/freebsd-howto-ndisulate-windows-drivers

 # rm /boot/kernel/bcmwl5_sys.ko
 # rm /sys/modules/if_ndis/bcmwl5_sys.ko

 9)cd /sys/modules/if_ndis
 # ndiscvt -i bcmwl5.inf.ascii -s bcmwl5.sys -o ndis_driver_data.h

 10) # make  make install
 Warning: Object directory not changed from original
 /usr/src/sys/modules/if_ndis
 @ - /usr/src/sys
 machine - /usr/src/sys/i386/include
 awk -f @/tools/makeobjops.awk @/kern/device_if.m -h
 awk -f @/tools/makeobjops.awk @/kern/bus_if.m -h
 awk -f @/tools/makeobjops.awk @/dev/pci/pci_if.m -h
 awk -f @/tools/makeobjops.awk @/dev/pccard/card_if.m -h
 awk -f @/tools/pccarddevs2h.awk @/dev/pccard/pccarddevs
 : opt_usb.h
 awk -f @/tools/usbdevs2h.awk @/dev/usb/usbdevs -h
 cc -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe  -D_KERNEL -DKLD_MODULE -std=c99
 -nostdinc   -I. -I@ -I@/contrib/altq -finline-limit=8000 --param
 inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -fno-common
  -mno-align-long-strings -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2  -mno-mmx -mno-3dnow
 -mno-sse -mno-sse2 -mno-sse3 -ffreestanding -Wall -Wredundant-decls
 -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes  -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith
 -Winline -Wcast-qual  -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -c
 /usr/src/sys/modules/if_ndis/../../dev/if_ndis/if_ndis.c
 cc -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe  -D_KERNEL -DKLD_MODULE -std=c99
 -nostdinc   -I. -I@ -I@/contrib/altq -finline-limit=8000 --param
 inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -fno-common
  -mno-align-long-strings -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2  -mno-mmx -mno-3dnow
 -mno-sse -mno-sse2 -mno-sse3 -ffreestanding -Wall -Wredundant-decls
 -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes  -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith
 -Winline -Wcast-qual  -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -c
 /usr/src/sys/modules/if_ndis/../../dev/if_ndis/if_ndis_pci.c
 cc -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe  -D_KERNEL -DKLD_MODULE -std=c99
 -nostdinc   -I. -I@ -I@/contrib/altq -finline-limit=8000 --param
 inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -fno-common
  -mno-align-long-strings -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2  -mno-mmx -mno-3dnow
 -mno-sse -mno-sse2 -mno-sse3 -ffreestanding -Wall -Wredundant-decls
 -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes  -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith
 -Winline -Wcast-qual  -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -c
 /usr/src/sys/modules/if_ndis/../../dev/if_ndis/if_ndis_pccard.c
 cc -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe  -D_KERNEL -DKLD_MODULE -std=c99
 -nostdinc   -I. -I@ -I@/contrib/altq -finline-limit=8000 --param
 inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -fno-common
  -mno-align-long-strings -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2  -mno-mmx -mno-3dnow
 -mno-sse -mno-sse2 -mno-sse3 -ffreestanding -Wall -Wredundant-decls
 -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes  -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith
 -Winline -Wcast-qual  -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -c
 /usr/src/sys/modules/if_ndis/../../dev/if_ndis/if_ndis_usb.c
 ld  -d -warn-common -r -d -o if_ndis.kld if_ndis.o if_ndis_pci.o
 if_ndis_pccard.o if_ndis_usb.o
 : export_syms
 awk -f /usr/src/sys/modules/if_ndis/../../conf/kmod_syms.awk if_ndis.kld
  export_syms | xargs -J% objcopy % if_ndis.kld
 ld -Bshareable  -d -warn-common -o if_ndis.ko if_ndis.kld
 objcopy --strip-debug if_ndis.ko
 install -o root -g wheel -m 555   if_ndis.ko /boot/kernel
 kldxref /boot/kernel

 11) # kldload if_ndis
# kldstat
Id Refs AddressSize Name
  1   19 0xc040 9fab28   kernel
  21 0xc0dfb000 6a45cacpi.ko
  31 0xc4767000 22000linux.ko
  41 0xc489c000 9000 i915.ko
  51 0xc48a5000 13000drm.ko
  61 0xc532c000 c000 if_ndis.ko
  71 0xc5338000 16000ndis.ko

 12) # ifconfig ndis0 up
 ifconfig: interface ndis0 does not exist

 I've no idea whats 

Re: ISP questions

2009-06-04 Thread Wojciech Puchar

4. What kind of hardware and software are you running?
Can't provide this, due to security reasons.


That's the stupidest answer I've heard today.


It isn't that stupid. As many ISPs admins aren't very good, they simply 
fear.



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Re: linux compatibility ports upgrade

2009-06-04 Thread Boris Samorodov
On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 13:15:21 -0400 Tsu-Fan Cheng wrote:

 Hi,   Just use portmaster to upgrade ports and found out a lot of linux-*
 ports are renewed. But strange to see that upgrading was interrupted by
 ports conflicts, such as linux-f8-tiff and linux-tiff.

Yes, those ports install files with the sane name/path, so they have
a conflict and can't be used/unstalled together.

 What I have are a
 whole bunch of f8 stuff, I dont understand why portmaster choose to upgrade
 ports that are not f8.

I don't use portmaster but you are first to complain. Can you show
the output of pkg_info -xI linux?

 And also curious to know which linux* is better?

Hm, it a good question. ;-)
The one which does what you need. But there are some security
problems (seems with pango ports) which won't be resolved for
Fedora Core 4 ports (since there is no new fixed packages).

 with or without f8/f10? thank you!!

It depends on your OS version and your tasks. The default (even
for 8-CURRENT so far) is linux_base-fc4 and it's infrastructure
ports. I think that for FreeBSD-6.x and lower there is no other
alternative. For 7.2-RELEASE (and even better, 7-STABLE) one can
use -f8- base and infrastructure ports. For recent 8-CURRENT one
can use -f10- ports. There is a WIP to change this to default for
8-CURRENT.


WBR
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about restarting services

2009-06-04 Thread leonardo

hello everybody:

I´m new to freeBSD, I want to know how I can restart the network services 


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Re: linux compatibility ports upgrade

2009-06-04 Thread Tsu-Fan Cheng
Thank you, Boris. This is my linux ports,linux-f8-atk-1.20.0_1 Accessibility
Toolkit, Linux/i386 binary (Linux Fedora 8)
linux-f8-cairo-1.4.14_1 Vector graphics library Cairo (Linux Fedora 8)
linux-f8-curl-7.18.2_1 The command line tool for transferring files with URL
synta
linux-f8-expat-2.0.1_1 Linux/i386 binary port of Expat XML-parsing library
(Linux
linux-f8-gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0 Image loading library for GTK+ (Linux Fedora 8)
linux-f8-libidn-0.6.14_1 Internationalized Domain Name support library
(Linux Fedora
linux-f8-libxml2-2.7.2 Library providing XML and HTML support (Linux Fedora
8)
linux-f8-nspr-4.7.3 Netscape Portable Runtime (Linux Fedora 8)
linux-f8-nss-3.12.2.0 Network Security Services (Linux Fedora 8)
linux-f8-openssl-0.9.8b The OpenSSL toolkit (Linux Fedora 8)
linux-f8-pango-1.18.4 The pango library (Linux Fedora 8)
linux-f8-png-1.2.22_1 RPM of the PNG lib (Linux Fedora 8)
linux-f8-sqlite3-3.4.2_1 The library that implements an embeddable SQL
database engi
linux-f8-tiff-3.8.2 The TIFF library, Linux/i386 binary (Linux Fedora 8)
linux-f8-xorg-libs-7.3_3 Xorg libraries (Linux Fedora 8)
linux-flashplugin-10.0r22 Adobe Flash Player NPAPI Plugin
linux-fontconfig-2.2.3_9 Linux/i386 binary of Fontconfig
linux-gtk2-2.6.10_2 GTK+ library, version 2.X, Linux binary
linux-hicolor-icon-theme-0.5_2 A high-color icon theme shell from the
FreeDesktop project
linux-jpeg-6b.34_2  RPM of the JPEG lib
linux-libsigc-2.0.17_1 Callback Framework for C++ (linux version)
linux-mplayerplug-in-3.50_3 Embed MPlayer into browser
linux-nvu-1.0_1 A complete Web Authoring System
linux-openmotif-2.2.4_3 Motif toolkit Linux libraries
linux-pango-1.10.2_2 Linux pango binary
linux-realplayer-10.0.9.809.20070726 Linux RealPlayer 10 from RealNetworks
linux-scim-gtk-fc8-1.4.7_1 Smart Common Input Method platform, gtk module,
Linux binar
linux-scim-libs-fc8-1.4.7_2 Smart Common Input Method platform, library
part, Linux bin
linux_base-f8-8_11  Base set of packages needed in Linux mode (for
i386/amd64)
linux_dri-7.0   Binary Linux DRI libraries for 3D hardware acceleration
of


and I am running 7.2-stable, looks like linux-f8* is just as good to me.


TFC


On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 1:59 PM, Boris Samorodov b...@ipt.ru wrote:

 On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 13:15:21 -0400 Tsu-Fan Cheng wrote:

  Hi,   Just use portmaster to upgrade ports and found out a lot of linux-*
  ports are renewed. But strange to see that upgrading was interrupted by
  ports conflicts, such as linux-f8-tiff and linux-tiff.

 Yes, those ports install files with the sane name/path, so they have
 a conflict and can't be used/unstalled together.

  What I have are a
  whole bunch of f8 stuff, I dont understand why portmaster choose to
 upgrade
  ports that are not f8.

 I don't use portmaster but you are first to complain. Can you show
 the output of pkg_info -xI linux?

  And also curious to know which linux* is better?

 Hm, it a good question. ;-)
 The one which does what you need. But there are some security
 problems (seems with pango ports) which won't be resolved for
 Fedora Core 4 ports (since there is no new fixed packages).

  with or without f8/f10? thank you!!

 It depends on your OS version and your tasks. The default (even
 for 8-CURRENT so far) is linux_base-fc4 and it's infrastructure
 ports. I think that for FreeBSD-6.x and lower there is no other
 alternative. For 7.2-RELEASE (and even better, 7-STABLE) one can
 use -f8- base and infrastructure ports. For recent 8-CURRENT one
 can use -f10- ports. There is a WIP to change this to default for
 8-CURRENT.


 WBR
 --
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 Research Engineer, http://www.ipt.ru Telephone  Internet SP
 FreeBSD Committer, http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve

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repeating error message from ssh

2009-06-04 Thread Dave
Hello,
I'm seeing this message repeating in my logs from ssh. I'm running a
7.2 system, no patches, with ssh installed from ports. Suggestions welcome.
Thanks.
Dave.

Jun  4 13:08:06 ssh-server ssh: gethostby*.getanswer: asked for
NetworkMachineName IN , got type A

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Re: linux compatibility ports upgrade

2009-06-04 Thread Tsu-Fan Cheng
It's funny, sometimes I think portmaster knows  that it should upgrade
linux-f8* ports and not linux-* ports but sometimes doesn't. I don't know
why...

TFC

On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Tsu-Fan Cheng tfch...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thank you, Boris. This is my linux ports,linux-f8-atk-1.20.0_1
 Accessibility Toolkit, Linux/i386 binary (Linux Fedora 8)
 linux-f8-cairo-1.4.14_1 Vector graphics library Cairo (Linux Fedora 8)
 linux-f8-curl-7.18.2_1 The command line tool for transferring files with
 URL synta
 linux-f8-expat-2.0.1_1 Linux/i386 binary port of Expat XML-parsing library
 (Linux
 linux-f8-gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0 Image loading library for GTK+ (Linux Fedora 8)
 linux-f8-libidn-0.6.14_1 Internationalized Domain Name support library
 (Linux Fedora
 linux-f8-libxml2-2.7.2 Library providing XML and HTML support (Linux Fedora
 8)
 linux-f8-nspr-4.7.3 Netscape Portable Runtime (Linux Fedora 8)
 linux-f8-nss-3.12.2.0 Network Security Services (Linux Fedora 8)
 linux-f8-openssl-0.9.8b The OpenSSL toolkit (Linux Fedora 8)
 linux-f8-pango-1.18.4 The pango library (Linux Fedora 8)
 linux-f8-png-1.2.22_1 RPM of the PNG lib (Linux Fedora 8)
 linux-f8-sqlite3-3.4.2_1 The library that implements an embeddable SQL
 database engi
 linux-f8-tiff-3.8.2 The TIFF library, Linux/i386 binary (Linux Fedora 8)
 linux-f8-xorg-libs-7.3_3 Xorg libraries (Linux Fedora 8)
 linux-flashplugin-10.0r22 Adobe Flash Player NPAPI Plugin
 linux-fontconfig-2.2.3_9 Linux/i386 binary of Fontconfig
 linux-gtk2-2.6.10_2 GTK+ library, version 2.X, Linux binary
 linux-hicolor-icon-theme-0.5_2 A high-color icon theme shell from the
 FreeDesktop project
 linux-jpeg-6b.34_2  RPM of the JPEG lib
 linux-libsigc-2.0.17_1 Callback Framework for C++ (linux version)
 linux-mplayerplug-in-3.50_3 Embed MPlayer into browser
 linux-nvu-1.0_1 A complete Web Authoring System
 linux-openmotif-2.2.4_3 Motif toolkit Linux libraries
 linux-pango-1.10.2_2 Linux pango binary
 linux-realplayer-10.0.9.809.20070726 Linux RealPlayer 10 from RealNetworks
 linux-scim-gtk-fc8-1.4.7_1 Smart Common Input Method platform, gtk module,
 Linux binar
 linux-scim-libs-fc8-1.4.7_2 Smart Common Input Method platform, library
 part, Linux bin
 linux_base-f8-8_11  Base set of packages needed in Linux mode (for
 i386/amd64)
 linux_dri-7.0   Binary Linux DRI libraries for 3D hardware acceleration
 of


 and I am running 7.2-stable, looks like linux-f8* is just as good to me.


 TFC


 On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 1:59 PM, Boris Samorodov b...@ipt.ru wrote:

 On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 13:15:21 -0400 Tsu-Fan Cheng wrote:

  Hi,   Just use portmaster to upgrade ports and found out a lot of
 linux-*
  ports are renewed. But strange to see that upgrading was interrupted by
  ports conflicts, such as linux-f8-tiff and linux-tiff.

 Yes, those ports install files with the sane name/path, so they have
 a conflict and can't be used/unstalled together.

  What I have are a
  whole bunch of f8 stuff, I dont understand why portmaster choose to
 upgrade
  ports that are not f8.

 I don't use portmaster but you are first to complain. Can you show
 the output of pkg_info -xI linux?

  And also curious to know which linux* is better?

 Hm, it a good question. ;-)
 The one which does what you need. But there are some security
 problems (seems with pango ports) which won't be resolved for
 Fedora Core 4 ports (since there is no new fixed packages).

  with or without f8/f10? thank you!!

 It depends on your OS version and your tasks. The default (even
 for 8-CURRENT so far) is linux_base-fc4 and it's infrastructure
 ports. I think that for FreeBSD-6.x and lower there is no other
 alternative. For 7.2-RELEASE (and even better, 7-STABLE) one can
 use -f8- base and infrastructure ports. For recent 8-CURRENT one
 can use -f10- ports. There is a WIP to change this to default for
 8-CURRENT.


 WBR
 --
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 Research Engineer, http://www.ipt.ru Telephone  Internet SP
 FreeBSD Committer, http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve



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Re: ISP questions

2009-06-04 Thread Wojciech Puchar

That's the stupidest answer I've heard today.


It isn't that stupid. As many ISPs admins aren't very good, they simply
fear.


Based on the answers provided, I highly doubt that the OP was speaking
to an admin...


Of course not, but THEY require others to not talk about used hardware and 
software because they fear. And they really believe it helps :)


In Poland actually the hated Polish Telecom have best managed IP 
network. Most others are really poor and that's the important reason that 
Polish Telecom have really little competition.


They invested millions of dollars each for hardware, but not employees.

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Re: Open_Source

2009-06-04 Thread cpghost
On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 04:06:18PM -0500, Gary Gatten wrote:
 Whatever happened to BeOS?

http://www.haiku-os.org/

-cpghost.

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Re: about restarting services

2009-06-04 Thread Wojciech Puchar

hello everybody:

I´m new to freeBSD, I want to know how I can restart the network services


what services?

/etc/rc.d/service restart
or if installed from ports

/usr/local/etc/rc.d/service restart
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Re: repeating error message from ssh

2009-06-04 Thread Wojciech Puchar

I'm seeing this message repeating in my logs from ssh. I'm running a
7.2 system, no patches, with ssh installed from ports. Suggestions welcome.
Thanks.
Dave.

Jun  4 13:08:06 ssh-server ssh: gethostby*.getanswer: asked for
NetworkMachineName IN , got type A



DNS behave strangely. ssh ask for IPv6 address, there is probably 
no IPv6 answer, but DNS responds with IPv4 address instead of nothing.


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Re: linux compatibility ports upgrade

2009-06-04 Thread Boris Samorodov
On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 14:15:42 -0400 Tsu-Fan Cheng wrote:

 Thank you, Boris. This is my linux ports,linux-f8-atk-1.20.0_1 Accessibility
 Toolkit, Linux/i386 binary (Linux Fedora 8)
 linux-f8-cairo-1.4.14_1 Vector graphics library Cairo (Linux Fedora 8)
 linux-f8-curl-7.18.2_1 The command line tool for transferring files with URL
 synta
 linux-f8-expat-2.0.1_1 Linux/i386 binary port of Expat XML-parsing library
 (Linux
 linux-f8-gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0 Image loading library for GTK+ (Linux Fedora 8)
 linux-f8-libidn-0.6.14_1 Internationalized Domain Name support library
 (Linux Fedora
 linux-f8-libxml2-2.7.2 Library providing XML and HTML support (Linux Fedora
 8)
 linux-f8-nspr-4.7.3 Netscape Portable Runtime (Linux Fedora 8)
 linux-f8-nss-3.12.2.0 Network Security Services (Linux Fedora 8)
 linux-f8-openssl-0.9.8b The OpenSSL toolkit (Linux Fedora 8)
 linux-f8-pango-1.18.4 The pango library (Linux Fedora 8)
 linux-f8-png-1.2.22_1 RPM of the PNG lib (Linux Fedora 8)
 linux-f8-sqlite3-3.4.2_1 The library that implements an embeddable SQL
 database engi
 linux-f8-tiff-3.8.2 The TIFF library, Linux/i386 binary (Linux Fedora 8)
 linux-f8-xorg-libs-7.3_3 Xorg libraries (Linux Fedora 8)
 linux-flashplugin-10.0r22 Adobe Flash Player NPAPI Plugin
 linux-fontconfig-2.2.3_9 Linux/i386 binary of Fontconfig
 linux-gtk2-2.6.10_2 GTK+ library, version 2.X, Linux binary
 linux-hicolor-icon-theme-0.5_2 A high-color icon theme shell from the
 FreeDesktop project
 linux-jpeg-6b.34_2  RPM of the JPEG lib
 linux-libsigc-2.0.17_1 Callback Framework for C++ (linux version)
 linux-mplayerplug-in-3.50_3 Embed MPlayer into browser
 linux-nvu-1.0_1 A complete Web Authoring System
 linux-openmotif-2.2.4_3 Motif toolkit Linux libraries
 linux-pango-1.10.2_2 Linux pango binary
 linux-realplayer-10.0.9.809.20070726 Linux RealPlayer 10 from RealNetworks
 linux-scim-gtk-fc8-1.4.7_1 Smart Common Input Method platform, gtk module,
 Linux binar
 linux-scim-libs-fc8-1.4.7_2 Smart Common Input Method platform, library
 part, Linux bin
 linux_base-f8-8_11  Base set of packages needed in Linux mode (for
 i386/amd64)
 linux_dri-7.0   Binary Linux DRI libraries for 3D hardware acceleration
 of

OK, you have a mix with FC4 and F8 ports. The best way for you is
to remove all linux ports, clean /compat/linux and reinstall needed
linux applications (i.e. linux-realplayer, acroread8, skype, etc.).

 and I am running 7.2-stable, looks like linux-f8* is just as good to me.

Yes, that may be a good choice for you.


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Re: ISP questions

2009-06-04 Thread Steve Bertrand
Wojciech Puchar wrote:
 4. What kind of hardware and software are you running?
 Can't provide this, due to security reasons.

 That's the stupidest answer I've heard today.
 
 It isn't that stupid. As many ISPs admins aren't very good, they simply
 fear.

Based on the answers provided, I highly doubt that the OP was speaking
to an admin...

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Re: Open_Source

2009-06-04 Thread cpghost
On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 10:13:43PM +0200, Roland Smith wrote:
 On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 09:35:31PM +0200, Polytropon wrote:
  On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 13:46:15 -0500, Gary Gatten ggat...@waddell.com 
  wrote:
   Isn't there an OpenVMS somewhere? 
 
 There is an open source clone in the works: http://www.freevms.net/
 No idea of the state it is in.
 
 The OZONE OS [http://www.o3one.org/] uses a lot of VMS concepts.

Thank you! A wounderful hint.

BTW, since we're talking about vintage OSes: anyone knows of a
BS2000 clone, emulator, ...?

http://ts.fujitsu.com/products/bs2000/index.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BS2000

I'm especially interested in an emulation of the old terminal-based
BS2000 before they introduced POSIX compat in 1992 (i.e. BS2000 as
of between 1986 and 1992).

For other emulators of old hardware, we have the great collecton of
/usr/ports/emulators/simh plus images, but nothing BS2000-ish (yet).
Or do we?

TIA,
-cpghost.

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Re: linux compatibility ports upgrade

2009-06-04 Thread Tsu-Fan Cheng
I see, can you tell me which are FC4 ports?? thanks!!
TFC

On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Boris Samorodov b...@ipt.ru wrote:

 On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 14:15:42 -0400 Tsu-Fan Cheng wrote:

  Thank you, Boris. This is my linux ports,linux-f8-atk-1.20.0_1
 Accessibility
  Toolkit, Linux/i386 binary (Linux Fedora 8)
  linux-f8-cairo-1.4.14_1 Vector graphics library Cairo (Linux Fedora 8)
  linux-f8-curl-7.18.2_1 The command line tool for transferring files with
 URL
  synta
  linux-f8-expat-2.0.1_1 Linux/i386 binary port of Expat XML-parsing
 library
  (Linux
  linux-f8-gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0 Image loading library for GTK+ (Linux Fedora
 8)
  linux-f8-libidn-0.6.14_1 Internationalized Domain Name support library
  (Linux Fedora
  linux-f8-libxml2-2.7.2 Library providing XML and HTML support (Linux
 Fedora
  8)
  linux-f8-nspr-4.7.3 Netscape Portable Runtime (Linux Fedora 8)
  linux-f8-nss-3.12.2.0 Network Security Services (Linux Fedora 8)
  linux-f8-openssl-0.9.8b The OpenSSL toolkit (Linux Fedora 8)
  linux-f8-pango-1.18.4 The pango library (Linux Fedora 8)
  linux-f8-png-1.2.22_1 RPM of the PNG lib (Linux Fedora 8)
  linux-f8-sqlite3-3.4.2_1 The library that implements an embeddable SQL
  database engi
  linux-f8-tiff-3.8.2 The TIFF library, Linux/i386 binary (Linux Fedora 8)
  linux-f8-xorg-libs-7.3_3 Xorg libraries (Linux Fedora 8)
  linux-flashplugin-10.0r22 Adobe Flash Player NPAPI Plugin
  linux-fontconfig-2.2.3_9 Linux/i386 binary of Fontconfig
  linux-gtk2-2.6.10_2 GTK+ library, version 2.X, Linux binary
  linux-hicolor-icon-theme-0.5_2 A high-color icon theme shell from the
  FreeDesktop project
  linux-jpeg-6b.34_2  RPM of the JPEG lib
  linux-libsigc-2.0.17_1 Callback Framework for C++ (linux version)
  linux-mplayerplug-in-3.50_3 Embed MPlayer into browser
  linux-nvu-1.0_1 A complete Web Authoring System
  linux-openmotif-2.2.4_3 Motif toolkit Linux libraries
  linux-pango-1.10.2_2 Linux pango binary
  linux-realplayer-10.0.9.809.20070726 Linux RealPlayer 10 from
 RealNetworks
  linux-scim-gtk-fc8-1.4.7_1 Smart Common Input Method platform, gtk
 module,
  Linux binar
  linux-scim-libs-fc8-1.4.7_2 Smart Common Input Method platform, library
  part, Linux bin
  linux_base-f8-8_11  Base set of packages needed in Linux mode (for
  i386/amd64)
  linux_dri-7.0   Binary Linux DRI libraries for 3D hardware
 acceleration
  of

 OK, you have a mix with FC4 and F8 ports. The best way for you is
 to remove all linux ports, clean /compat/linux and reinstall needed
 linux applications (i.e. linux-realplayer, acroread8, skype, etc.).

  and I am running 7.2-stable, looks like linux-f8* is just as good to me.

 Yes, that may be a good choice for you.


 WBR
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 Research Engineer, http://www.ipt.ru Telephone  Internet SP
 FreeBSD Committer, http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve

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Re: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD

2009-06-04 Thread Polytropon
On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 19:21:01 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar 
woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:
  PS Does _anyone_ prefer info manuals, apart from Stallman?
 
 I don't, it's much easier to just type man something than browsing through 
 big document

As far as I know, info doesn't let you search document-wide
(including all subsections, branches and crossreferences)
while man documents - being ONE document - let's you do this.

Furthermore, it's quite easy to turn a a manpage into a nice
looking PS / PDF file for printing and archiving.

zcat `man -w COMMAND` | groff -Tps -dpaper=a4 -P-pa4 -mandoc | ps2pdf - 
man.pdf

I'm not sure you can do this with info based manuals...


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Re: repeating error message from ssh

2009-06-04 Thread Matthew Seaman

Dave wrote:

Hello,
I'm seeing this message repeating in my logs from ssh. I'm running a
7.2 system, no patches, with ssh installed from ports. Suggestions welcome.
Thanks.
Dave.

Jun  4 13:08:06 ssh-server ssh: gethostby*.getanswer: asked for
NetworkMachineName IN , got type A


sshd queried the DNS for an IPv6 address but was returned an IPv4 address.
Someone's DNS is misconfigured.  sshd(8) is running perfectly well.

Cheers,

Matthew

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/etc/hosts - how does that file work?? - was weird nfs issues.

2009-06-04 Thread Peter
iH,
  This all started with NFS not mounting at bootso, testing in VMs:

This is a fresh/generic install of 7.2-REL
 no firewall
 em1=10.21.20.0/24 network - DHCP for ssh access

client# uname -a
FreeBSD client.test 7.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE #0: Fri May  1
08:49:13 UTC 2009
r...@walker.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC  i386


client# cat /etc/rc.conf
gateway_enable=YES
hostname=client.test
ifconfig_em0=inet 172.20.6.2  netmask 255.255.255.0
ifconfig_em0_alias0=inet 116.23.45.2 netmask 255.255.255.0
ifconfig_em1=DHCP
nfs_client_enable=YES
nfs_server_enable=NO
rpcbind_enable=NO
sshd_enable=YES

client# ifconfig em0|grep inet
inet 172.20.6.2 netmask 0xff00 broadcast 172.20.6.255
inet 116.23.45.2 netmask 0xff00 broadcast 116.23.45.255
client# cat /etc/hosts
::1 localhost localhost.test
127.0.0.1   localhost localhost.test

172.20.6.2  client.test client
116.23.45.2 client.test client

172.20.6.1  server.test server
116.23.45.3 server.test server
client# ping -c1 server
PING server.test (172.20.6.1): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 172.20.6.1: icmp_seq=0 ttl=64 time=5.811 ms

--- server.test ping statistics ---
1 packets transmitted, 1 packets received, 0.0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 5.811/5.811/5.811/0.000 ms
client# ssh -vvv server
OpenSSH_5.1p1 FreeBSD-20080901, OpenSSL 0.9.8e 23 Feb 2007
debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config
debug2: ssh_connect: needpriv 0
debug1: Connecting to server.test [116.23.45.3] port 22.
^C
client#
ssh to 'server' always goes to 116.23.45.3 IP
 there is nothing on '116.23.45.3' IP
   '116.23.45.3/24' is a made up network for testing


BUT...


client# ifconfig em0|grep inet
inet 172.20.6.2 netmask 0xff00 broadcast 172.20.6.255
inet 116.23.45.2 netmask 0xff00 broadcast 116.23.45.255
client# cat /etc/hosts
::1 localhost localhost.test
127.0.0.1   localhost localhost.test

172.20.6.2  client.test client
116.23.45.2 client.test client

172.20.6.1  server.test server
116.23.45.4 server.test server
client# ping -c1 server
PING server.test (172.20.6.1): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 172.20.6.1: icmp_seq=0 ttl=64 time=0.285 ms

--- server.test ping statistics ---
1 packets transmitted, 1 packets received, 0.0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 0.285/0.285/0.285/0.000 ms
client# ssh -vvv server
OpenSSH_5.1p1 FreeBSD-20080901, OpenSSL 0.9.8e 23 Feb 2007
debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config
debug2: ssh_connect: needpriv 0
debug1: Connecting to server.test [172.20.6.1] port 22.
debug1: Connection established.
...
..

Why if the secondary entry is higher than '116.23.45.3' it always goes to
172/24 network?

Why is ping using one IP, and ssh/mount_nfs/showmount using another IP
from /etc/hosts?


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RE: repeating error message from ssh

2009-06-04 Thread Dave
Hi,
Thanks everyone for the information on this. I'm not running
anything ipv6, i'd like to turn this off completely. The dns for my network
unfortunately due to lack of computers is being provided by a 2wire gateway
2701, if anyone has any information on this thing's dhcp or dns i'd love to
hear it, googling hasn't shown me how to change the internal domain name.
Thanks.
Dave.
 

-Original Message-
From: Matthew Seaman [mailto:m.sea...@infracaninophile.co.uk] 
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 2:37 PM
To: dave.meh...@gmail.com
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: repeating error message from ssh

Dave wrote:
 Hello,
   I'm seeing this message repeating in my logs from ssh. I'm running a
 7.2 system, no patches, with ssh installed from ports. Suggestions
welcome.
 Thanks.
 Dave.
 
 Jun  4 13:08:06 ssh-server ssh: gethostby*.getanswer: asked for 
 NetworkMachineName IN , got type A

sshd queried the DNS for an IPv6 address but was returned an IPv4 address.
Someone's DNS is misconfigured.  sshd(8) is running perfectly well.

Cheers,

Matthew

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Re: Open_Source

2009-06-04 Thread Polytropon
On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 20:31:46 +0200, cpghost cpgh...@cordula.ws wrote:
 BTW, since we're talking about vintage OSes: anyone knows of a
 BS2000 clone, emulator, ...?
 
 http://ts.fujitsu.com/products/bs2000/index.html
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BS2000
 
 I'm especially interested in an emulation of the old terminal-based
 BS2000 before they introduced POSIX compat in 1992 (i.e. BS2000 as
 of between 1986 and 1992).
 
 For other emulators of old hardware, we have the great collecton of
 /usr/ports/emulators/simh plus images, but nothing BS2000-ish (yet).
 Or do we?

Maybe you're interested in hercules, which provides emulation
of IBM's mainframe architecture that was the parent (with
OS/360 and OS/390) of Siemens' original BS2000.

Vintage operating systems, let's see what I can remember...
SCP, DCP, MUTOS, SVP, VMX, PSU, WEGA, KAOS, OS/ES (once my
favourite)... I'm sure no one of you knows from mind what
I'm talking about. But don't mind, they don't exist anymore. :-)


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Re: about restarting services

2009-06-04 Thread pp
leonardo wrote:
 hello everybody:
 
 I´m new to freeBSD, I want to know how I can restart the network services

If you by network services mean your network interfaces you type:

/etc/rc.d/netif restart

True network services, like inetd, sendmail and others, also have their
scripts in the same folder. Network services you install from ports put
their scripts in /usr/local/etc/rc.d

/Morgan
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Re: ISP questions

2009-06-04 Thread Mark Busby



--- On Thu, 6/4/09, Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:

 From: Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl
 Subject: Re: ISP questions
 To: Bill Moran wmo...@potentialtech.com
 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
 Date: Thursday, June 4, 2009, 12:56 PM
  4. What kind of hardware and
 software are you running?
      Can't provide this, due
 to security reasons.
 
  That's the stupidest answer I've heard today.
 
 It isn't that stupid. As many ISPs admins aren't very good,
 they simply 
 fear.
 
  Yeah, most admins just get to set around and do nothing but answer questions 
on mailing lists. =) Being short handed, under paid and taking care of the 
support overflow. The time I get to tell some supposed grad student/software 
sales person with a sexy voice. We don't share that information makes my day. 
Just call me paranoid. lol

Locked into contracts with software venders will make you answer Info Not 
Shared. Unable to make changes while you wait for a patch/fix. Your the only 
one who's found this problem, so we'll wait until the next version to patch 
this problem. 

 
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Re: ISP questions

2009-06-04 Thread Reid Linnemann
Written by Mark Hartkemeyer on 06/04/09 11:23
 I'm pretty new to FreeBSD and was reading part of Greg Lehey's The
 Complete FreeBSD 4th Edition.  I found the section on ISPs in chapter
 18 really interesting.  I put some of his recommended questions to my
 ISP, Cincinnati Bell's Zoomtown.  I think I talked to three or four
 people before I even got some of them answered.
 
 Here are some of the questions and answers:
 
 1. What speed connections do you offer?
 5MBps upload/5MBps download (she said bytes, but should it be bits?)
 768kBps
 
 2. Can you supply a static IP address? At what cost?
 Yes, $49.95/month for the whole Internet package
 
 3. How many hops are there to the backbone?
 It depends on the site you're trying to reach. (I think they
 misunderstood what I meant by backbone?)
 
 4. What kind of hardware and software are you running?
 Can't provide this, due to security reasons.
 
 5. Can you supply primary or secondary DNS for me?
 You need a static IP.
 
 6. Can you provide name registration? At what cost?
 Talk to residential services.
 
 7. Do you give complete access to the Internet, or do you block some ports?
 Cannot provide this info, due to security reasons.  After
 asking, I was told that I would be able to run a mail server and http
 server on my connection.
 
 8. Do you have complete reverse DNS?
 (They didn't know.)
 
 I assume this is a pretty typical response from ISPs.  Has anyone
 asked their ISP questions like these?  If so, what kind of response
 did you get?  Does anyone know of a really good ISP, or a good
 resource for finding a good ISP around Cincinnati, OH?
 
 Thanks,
 Mark Hartkemeyer

These responses don't surprise me. I'm actually impressed your rep knew
the numbers for the up/down bandwidth, even though their metric was
wrong. There was a point in time when a technical support representative
for an ISP was knowledgeable and courteous, but those days are forever
gone and those reps have been replaced with poorly trained monkeys that
are forbidden to divert from The Script. You could not get any
intelligible information about the ISP's services any more than you
could expect to get intelligible information about a Dell computer's
north bridge controller from a Walmart Associate. This is attributable
to the explosion in popularity of personal internet access, resulting in
a greater need for servicing a high volume of low complexity technical
support requests (e.g., my internet don't work). The reps are paid far
to little to be technically competent and the ISP doesn't get a return
for training them to be proficient when they can just ist them in front
of a knowledge database they've already invested cash into and tell them
to read what it says. You have to meander your way at least up to tier
II or III support to get to anyone who might possibly be invested enough
in the service to know the meaning of your questions and the answers.
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Re: linux compatibility ports upgrade

2009-06-04 Thread Boris Samorodov
On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 14:34:44 -0400 Tsu-Fan Cheng wrote:

 I see, can you tell me which are FC4 ports?? thanks!!

Please, reread my previous email. I wrote _all_ linux ports.

 On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Boris Samorodov b...@ipt.ru wrote:

  On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 14:15:42 -0400 Tsu-Fan Cheng wrote:
 
   Thank you, Boris. This is my linux ports,linux-f8-atk-1.20.0_1
  Accessibility
   Toolkit, Linux/i386 binary (Linux Fedora 8)
   linux-f8-cairo-1.4.14_1 Vector graphics library Cairo (Linux Fedora 8)
   linux-f8-curl-7.18.2_1 The command line tool for transferring files with
  URL
   synta
   linux-f8-expat-2.0.1_1 Linux/i386 binary port of Expat XML-parsing
  library
   (Linux
   linux-f8-gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0 Image loading library for GTK+ (Linux Fedora
  8)
   linux-f8-libidn-0.6.14_1 Internationalized Domain Name support library
   (Linux Fedora
   linux-f8-libxml2-2.7.2 Library providing XML and HTML support (Linux
  Fedora
   8)
   linux-f8-nspr-4.7.3 Netscape Portable Runtime (Linux Fedora 8)
   linux-f8-nss-3.12.2.0 Network Security Services (Linux Fedora 8)
   linux-f8-openssl-0.9.8b The OpenSSL toolkit (Linux Fedora 8)
   linux-f8-pango-1.18.4 The pango library (Linux Fedora 8)
   linux-f8-png-1.2.22_1 RPM of the PNG lib (Linux Fedora 8)
   linux-f8-sqlite3-3.4.2_1 The library that implements an embeddable SQL
   database engi
   linux-f8-tiff-3.8.2 The TIFF library, Linux/i386 binary (Linux Fedora 8)
   linux-f8-xorg-libs-7.3_3 Xorg libraries (Linux Fedora 8)
   linux-flashplugin-10.0r22 Adobe Flash Player NPAPI Plugin
   linux-fontconfig-2.2.3_9 Linux/i386 binary of Fontconfig
   linux-gtk2-2.6.10_2 GTK+ library, version 2.X, Linux binary
   linux-hicolor-icon-theme-0.5_2 A high-color icon theme shell from the
   FreeDesktop project
   linux-jpeg-6b.34_2  RPM of the JPEG lib
   linux-libsigc-2.0.17_1 Callback Framework for C++ (linux version)
   linux-mplayerplug-in-3.50_3 Embed MPlayer into browser
   linux-nvu-1.0_1 A complete Web Authoring System
   linux-openmotif-2.2.4_3 Motif toolkit Linux libraries
   linux-pango-1.10.2_2 Linux pango binary
   linux-realplayer-10.0.9.809.20070726 Linux RealPlayer 10 from
  RealNetworks
   linux-scim-gtk-fc8-1.4.7_1 Smart Common Input Method platform, gtk
  module,
   Linux binar
   linux-scim-libs-fc8-1.4.7_2 Smart Common Input Method platform, library
   part, Linux bin
   linux_base-f8-8_11  Base set of packages needed in Linux mode (for
   i386/amd64)
   linux_dri-7.0   Binary Linux DRI libraries for 3D hardware
  acceleration
   of
 
  OK, you have a mix with FC4 and F8 ports. The best way for you is
  to remove all linux ports, clean /compat/linux and reinstall needed
  linux applications (i.e. linux-realplayer, acroread8, skype, etc.).
 
   and I am running 7.2-stable, looks like linux-f8* is just as good to me.
 
  Yes, that may be a good choice for you.


WBR
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Re: cups and ghostscript recursive dependency problem

2009-06-04 Thread Mike Clarke
On Thursday 04 June 2009, Giorgos Keramidas wrote:

 Do you have the latest port revision of ghostscript8?  We have
 tweaked its dependencies in the last 2-3 commits.  Check that the
 `Makefile' in `/usr/ports/print/ghostscript8' includes:

     # New ports collection makefile for: ghostscript
     # Date created:                Tue Jun 10 21:58:54 CEST 1997
     # Whom:                        Andreas Klemm
 andr...@klemm.gtn.com #
     # $FreeBSD$
     #

     PORTNAME=      ghostscript8
     PORTVERSION=   8.64
     PORTREVISION=  5
     ^^

 If the PORTREVISION is not 5, then please update the port and try
 again.

That was the cause, I had portversion 4. Updating to 5 fixed it. Thanks 
for the help.

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Re: /etc/hosts - how does that file work?? - was weird nfs issues.

2009-06-04 Thread Mel Flynn
On Thursday 04 June 2009 20:48:21 Peter wrote:
 iH,
   This all started with NFS not mounting at bootso, testing in VMs:

snip

 Why is ping using one IP, and ssh/mount_nfs/showmount using another IP
 from /etc/hosts?

Q: Where is described that name resolution for A or PTR records should be 
returned in a fixed order and that a consumer should always use the first one 
returned?
A: Nowhere. Name servers are encouraged to do round-robin returns if not 
specified otherwise. Applications may sort/pick at their own leisure.

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Re: repeating error message from ssh

2009-06-04 Thread Mel Flynn
On Thursday 04 June 2009 20:59:57 Dave wrote:
 Hi,
   Thanks everyone for the information on this. I'm not running
 anything ipv6, i'd like to turn this off completely. The dns for my network
 unfortunately due to lack of computers is being provided by a 2wire gateway
 2701, if anyone has any information on this thing's dhcp or dns i'd love to
 hear it, googling hasn't shown me how to change the internal domain name.
 Thanks.

If you know your ISP's nameservers, simply run a local resolver and tell 
dhclient to prepend or override the nameserver obtained from dhcp.
There's quite a few how-to's on the web on this topic.

Suggested local reading: 
man dhclient.conf
man rc.conf
/etc/defaults/rc.conf - named_ settings
/etc/namedb/named.conf

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RE: repeating error message from ssh

2009-06-04 Thread Wojciech Puchar

Thanks everyone for the information on this. I'm not running
anything ipv6, i'd like to turn this off completely. The dns for my network
unfortunately due to lack of computers is being provided by a 2wire gateway
2701, if anyone has any information on this thing's dhcp or dns i'd love to
hear it, googling hasn't shown me how to change the internal domain name.
Thanks.


simply ignore these messages.
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RE: repeating error message from ssh

2009-06-04 Thread Michael Powell
Dave wrote:

 Hi,
 Thanks everyone for the information on this. I'm not running
 anything ipv6, i'd like to turn this off completely. The dns for my
 network unfortunately due to lack of computers is being provided by a
 2wire gateway 2701, if anyone has any information on this thing's dhcp or
 dns i'd love to hear it, googling hasn't shown me how to change the
 internal domain name. Thanks.
 Dave.
  
 
[snip]

If you are talking about the server side you may take a look at 
/etc/ssh/sshd_config for the following:

#ListenAddress 0.0.0.0
#ListenAddress ::
ListenAddress 192.168.10.1

as in manually bind it particular interface(s) and comment out the wild 
cards. This is how I have mine and I don't get the IPv6 lookups. Could also 
be something else I've done and haven't realized it yet either.  :-)

-Mike


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Re: ISP questions

2009-06-04 Thread Wojciech Puchar



Your the only one who's found this problem, so we'll wait until the next 
version to patch this problem.


It's just like my upstream network provider. When they have longer 
problems i heard Sorry we working on this, you must be really unlucky, as 
nobody else have problems here.


I asked few their other clients then - they heard exactly the same.
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Re: cups and ghostscript recursive dependency problem

2009-06-04 Thread Mel Flynn
On Thursday 04 June 2009 18:27:00 Giorgos Keramidas wrote:

 PORTNAME=  ghostscript8
 PORTVERSION=   8.64
 PORTREVISION=  5
 ^^

\o/ Thanks for also respecting WITHOUT_CUPS since rev 3.
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Re: ISP questions

2009-06-04 Thread Wojciech Puchar

These responses don't surprise me. I'm actually impressed your rep knew
the numbers for the up/down bandwidth, even though their metric was


It's just marketing bandwidth as most clients don't understand what it 
mean anyway, but just expect higher value that others for the same price.



It's at most - top limit. Actually - such speed are never achievable 
unless you use it at 3:00 am. Sometimes never at all.


Like local cable TV, they have 6 possible prices for internet access, 
called from 256kbps/64kbps to 10Mbps/2Mbps, actually you rarely see any 
difference and it's closest to lowest offer.


But people like to hear this so they hear, and at least here marketing 
people know perfectly what to answer about internet speed as they call 
it :)

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Re: cups and ghostscript recursive dependency problem

2009-06-04 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 21:54:04 +0200, Mel Flynn 
mel.flynn+fbsd.questi...@mailing.thruhere.net wrote:
 On Thursday 04 June 2009 18:27:00 Giorgos Keramidas wrote:

 PORTNAME=  ghostscript8
 PORTVERSION=   8.64
 PORTREVISION=  5
 ^^

 \o/ Thanks for also respecting WITHOUT_CUPS since rev 3.

You are welcome, of course :-)

That was the main motivation behind the recent flurry of changes.



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Re: [off-list] Re: Open_Source

2009-06-04 Thread Mel Flynn
On Wednesday 03 June 2009 19:26:00 Glen Barber wrote:
 Hi, Mel

 On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Mel Flynn

 mel.flynn+fbsd.questi...@mailing.thruhere.net wrote:
  On Tuesday 02 June 2009 17:12:28 madunix wrote:
  3- General experience with Open Source technology?
 
  Kinda getting fed up with the amount of trolling lately and loving Sieve.

 This thread had me worried at first that it would turn into another
 wildfire... I'm happy it has not yet.

Don't care about the tone. If people get angry on-topic, it's still relevant 
(like the hald frustration venting, Xorg 7+, etc). People should really learn 
to move off and semi-off broad-topic stuff to -chat or private discussions and 
it shouldn't need moderation, just maturity.
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Re: about restarting services

2009-06-04 Thread David Kelly
On Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 09:40:16AM -0800, leonardo wrote:
 hello everybody:
 
 I?m new to freeBSD, I want to know how I can restart the network services 

Start by creating a new email and addressing it to the list rather than
Reply-To another and edit it down. The two are not the same.

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Re: [off-list] Re: Open_Source

2009-06-04 Thread Mel Flynn
On Thursday 04 June 2009 22:05:55 Mel Flynn wrote:
 On Wednesday 03 June 2009 19:26:00 Glen Barber wrote:
  Hi, Mel
 
  On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Mel Flynn
 
  mel.flynn+fbsd.questi...@mailing.thruhere.net wrote:
   On Tuesday 02 June 2009 17:12:28 madunix wrote:
   3- General experience with Open Source technology?
  
   Kinda getting fed up with the amount of trolling lately and loving
   Sieve.
 
  This thread had me worried at first that it would turn into another
  wildfire... I'm happy it has not yet.

 Don't care about the tone. If people get angry on-topic, it's still
 relevant (like the hald frustration venting, Xorg 7+, etc). People should
 really learn to move off and semi-off broad-topic stuff to -chat or private
 discussions and it shouldn't need moderation, just maturity.

k, so reply-to-all is really reply to list. My apologies, should've stayed off 
list.
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Re: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD

2009-06-04 Thread Robert Huff

Wojciech Puchar writes:

   Well, man pages are good at formally documenting the how 
   of use, but they often are not so helpful on the why and 
   wherefor of use.

  for me it's exactly for this - to know how and why to use.

It is important to understand man is a _reference_, not a
_tutorial_.  It's great if you need to refresh your memory of the
q flag, or check for exit codes, or check the order of parameters
to the _fillintheblank() library call.  But if you're trying to
figure out how to do X, or even how to do X correctly using this
object ... many of the pages can leave you with the feeling you're
stupider than you actually are.
Being a tutorial may not be what man was designed for.  But
until there's a designated and widely promoted text-only replacement
it will be used as one.


Robert Huff

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Re: /etc/hosts - how does that file work?? - was weird nfs issues.

2009-06-04 Thread Peter
 On Thursday 04 June 2009 20:48:21 Peter wrote:
 iH,
   This all started with NFS not mounting at bootso, testing in VMs:

 snip

 Why is ping using one IP, and ssh/mount_nfs/showmount using another IP
from /etc/hosts?

 Q: Where is described that name resolution for A or PTR records should
be
 returned in a fixed order and that a consumer should always use the
first
 one
 returned?
 A: Nowhere. Name servers are encouraged to do round-robin returns if not
specified otherwise. Applications may sort/pick at their own leisure.

 --
 Mel

I do not think /etc/hosts does round robin, I always assumed first match
wins...DNS/bind I would understand...

Why does ping always return the 172.20.6.1 address,
 and ftp,nc,ssh,telnet,fetch _always_ uses the 116 address?

I would assume at least sometimes it would hit the 172 address with
anything besides ping - but it only ping hits the 172 address...
If so, I'd guess there would be consistency between ping lookups and
'telnet/ssh/etc' lookups...

Why if the 116.23.45.3 last octet is bumped up, everything _always_
returns the 172 address?

client# grep server /etc/hosts
172.20.6.1  server.test server
116.23.45.5 server.test server
client# telnet server
Trying 172.20.6.1...
telnet: connect to address 172.20.6.1: Connection refused
Trying 116.23.45.5...

/etc/hosts - 'server' changed to
116.23.45.3:

client# telnet server
Trying 116.23.45.3...
telnet: connect to address 116.23.45.3: Operation timed out
Trying 172.20.6.1...
telnet: connect to address 172.20.6.1: Connection refused
telnet: Unable to connect to remote host

if server has ip116.23.45.3, it always uses the 172 address first...

but ping always uses the  172...
even if third entry is added into /etc/hosts - nothing ever uses it as the
first/primary IP.

Is there an algorithm based on IP/program being used and the returned IP?




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The quest for linux-oracle-instantclient-sqlplus

2009-06-04 Thread Martin McCormick
I have run across a couple of other ports that required the
acceptance of a software agreement and the process was
relatively painless, but this one makes up for all that and then
some.

For hours today, I have been wading through the Oracle
web site trying to connect the URL 
 http://www.oracle.com/technology/software/tech/oci/instantclient/index.html 

with the agreement I must accept and the ultimate purpose of
this so-far futile quest, the download of the zip file
has yet to happen because of the utter triumph of form over
function which is the state of the art of what passes for web
design these days.

I am limited to lynx or safari. Nothing else is an
option right now. On the Mac, safari is the only browser that
truly works with the screen reader known as VoiceOver. The lynx
browser while it works perfectly with text-based standard input
and output falls flat when confronted with scripting languages
like javascript.

Oddly enough, both lynx and safari work about the same
way on this site. One uses the url that make tells you to use
and then things just kind of go to pot in a confused jungle of
marketing verbiage and links that are mostly inappropriate to the
task at hand.

Once, I actually saw the agreement, screen after screen
of legalese and then discovered there was no button to click and
no way out except to back up to the previous screen.

I certainly hope that if I ever get this installed, it is worth
wasting literally half a work day due to the IT equivalent of a
dialog with an utter idiot. In this case, the idiot is the web
site, not a specific person.

I figured at this same time a couple of days ago, we'd
have it installed and be testing to see if it meets our needs.

The interesting thing about all this is that there has
been a thread on this list about open source software. One
comment I can make is that there is simply not these kinds of
hassles. Commercial sites are too busy looking goo-oo-ood! to be
useful much of the time.

Martin McCormick WB5AGZ  Stillwater, OK 
Systems Engineer
OSU Information Technology Department Telecommunications Services Group
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Wireless Woes (NDIS, WPA2)

2009-06-04 Thread Gene
Hi All:

I'm trying to get wireless working on a laptop. It works fine as long as no
encryption is used, but if I try to use either WEP or WPA2, I ueem to always
wind up with 

Status: No Carrier

Any help greatly appreciated.
_-

From /etc/rc.conf:

   ifconfig_ndis0=WPA DHCP

From wpa_supplicant.conf

   network={
   ssid=northstar
   psk=Passphrase here
   }

From /var/log/messages

   ndis0: RangePlus Wireless Notebook Adapter mem 0x8800-0x8800 irq
   5 at device 0.0 on cardbus0
   ndis0: [ITHREAD]
   ndis0: NDIS API version: 5.1
   NDIS: could not find file preparse.ini in linker list
   NDIS: and no filesystems mounted yet, aborting NdisOpenFile()
   NDIS: could not find file regAdd.txt in linker list
   NDIS: and no filesystems mounted yet, aborting NdisOpenFile()

   ndis0: WARNING: using obsoleted if_watchdog interface
   ndis0: Ethernet address: 00:18:39:17:28:35

And from ifconfig ndis0 scan:

genesis# ifconfig ndis0 scan

SSIDBSSID  CHAN RATE   S:N INT CAPS
northstar   00:21:91:de:3f:8d1   54M -51:-96  100 EPS 

And finally from ifconfig ndis0:

genesis# ifconfig ndiso

ndis0: flags=8843UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST metric 0 mtu 1500
ether 00:18:39:17:28:35
media: IEEE 802.11 Wireless Ethernet autoselect
status: no carrier
ssid  channel 1 (2412 Mhz 11b)
authmode OPEN privacy OFF bmiss 7 scanvalid 60 roaming MANUAL
bintval 0



IHN,
Gene

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time to ask for help... .

2009-06-04 Thread Gary Kline
Around 18 months ago when my network was disintegrating, one Jon Horne
very thoughtfully came to my rescue and stuck with me until things were
reorganized and then rebuilt.  The way my site is now configured, my ISP
(Qwest) baby-bell has its router connected to my pfSense firewall.  The
firewall computer connects to my FreeBSD server which handles my DNS,
mail, and web.  The server then fans out to my several desktops.  This
one, my laptop, my daughter's MacBook, and has a spare CAT5 for my 
wife's
PC.   

At a minimum, I'd like to have CVS working on at least my server.  While
Jon Horne had no formal bg in comp sci, the guy is a net-wizard.  
Problem
is, that I haven't been able to reach him by chat or email for a couple
weeks.  

Before Xmas, '07, I used ipf and/or IPFW  managed to catch and kill 
hundreds of kiddie-scripters trying to crack in.  But with pfSense and 
how things are *now*, I'm in the dark.  So any help willl be very 
welcome.

tia, folks,

gary

PS: personal plug: a slice of my book is within my ~/.sig ...

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Re: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD

2009-06-04 Thread Chris Rees
2009/6/4 Jerry McAllister jerr...@msu.edu:
 On Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 04:17:43PM -0400, Robert Huff wrote:


 Wojciech Puchar writes:

    Well, man pages are good at formally documenting the how
    of use, but they often are not so helpful on the why and
    wherefor of use.
 
   for me it's exactly for this - to know how and why to use.

       It is important to understand man is a _reference_, not a
 _tutorial_.  It's great if you need to refresh your memory of the

 Yes, I know.   That is why some other additional for is also useful.
 I don't really propose changing man, but do often wish for some other
 form.  Info does that a little, but still is often inadequate for
 some comprehension of the why and wherefor of something that I
 have never mucked with.

 I am not sure a 'tutorial' is it either because they tend to take a
 person through a couple of particular tasks using the item in
 question, but still not discuss much of the why and wherefor.

 jerry


 q flag, or check for exit codes, or check the order of parameters
 to the _fillintheblank() library call.  But if you're trying to
 figure out how to do X, or even how to do X correctly using this
 object ... many of the pages can leave you with the feeling you're
 stupider than you actually are.
       Being a tutorial may not be what man was designed for.  But
 until there's a designated and widely promoted text-only replacement
 it will be used as one.


                               Robert Huff



Info is horrible to use as a quick reference, because as Polytropon
said earlier, you can't just dive in to get something specific. The
info is split into (arbitrary) sections, through which you have to
tread, and jump around hyperlinks all over.

But then I've never really got on with lynx, either.

Chris

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openoffice.org-3 compiling issue

2009-06-04 Thread Jason Helfman

Hello,

Newbie to FreeBSD here, however I have been studying like a madman, running
it on my desktop, and administering systems on a daily basis so I've learned
quiet a bit recently.

I am trying to install openoffice.org-3 port, and am receiving the following
error.

1 module(s): 
	openssl

need(s) to be rebuilt

Reason(s):

ERROR: error 65280 occurred while making
/usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/BEB300_m3/openssl

Attention: if you build and deliver the above module(s) you may prolongue
your the build issuing command build --from openssl

*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3.

At first I received this error, I was running -j5 with my make command, but
after removing that I managed to get pass the initial error that included
icu and ssl issues.

All posts that look similar to the error I am having, have no replies to
them.

Thanks,
Jason
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Re: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD

2009-06-04 Thread Wojciech Puchar


It is important to understand man is a _reference_, not a
_tutorial_.  It's great if you need to refresh your memory of the


Handbook is a tutorial. And looking at files in /bin, /sbin/ etc.. and 
doing man was my way of learning unix years ago.



to the _fillintheblank() library call.  But if you're trying to
figure out how to do X, or even how to do X correctly using this
object ... many of the pages can leave you with the feeling you're
stupider than you actually are.


man Xorg
man xorg.conf

what's wrong?


until there's a designated and widely promoted text-only replacement

text-only is important.

Xorg is not part of FreeBSD, not always work, may be not wanted in many 
cases and finally .. there are no need for any graphics to read text

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Re: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD

2009-06-04 Thread Wojciech Puchar

I am not sure a 'tutorial' is it either because they tend to take a
person through a couple of particular tasks using the item in
question, but still not discuss much of the why and wherefor.


What's wrong in FreeBSD handbook and many different paper books available 
about unix? Actually not that many, but still there are available about 
design of unix.


There is no need for FreeBSD book as long as books about unix exists, 
and there is FreeBSD handbook.

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Re: The quest for linux-oracle-instantclient-sqlplus

2009-06-04 Thread Michael Powell
Martin McCormick wrote:

 I have run across a couple of other ports that required the
 acceptance of a software agreement and the process was
 relatively painless, but this one makes up for all that and then
 some.
 
 For hours today, I have been wading through the Oracle
 web site trying to connect the URL
  
http://www.oracle.com/technology/software/tech/oci/instantclient/index.html
 
 with the agreement I must accept and the ultimate purpose of
 this so-far futile quest, the download of the zip file
 has yet to happen because of the utter triumph of form over
 function which is the state of the art of what passes for web
 design these days.
 
 I am limited to lynx or safari. Nothing else is an
 option right now. On the Mac, safari is the only browser that
 truly works with the screen reader known as VoiceOver. The lynx
 browser while it works perfectly with text-based standard input
 and output falls flat when confronted with scripting languages
 like javascript.
 
 Oddly enough, both lynx and safari work about the same
 way on this site. One uses the url that make tells you to use
 and then things just kind of go to pot in a confused jungle of
 marketing verbiage and links that are mostly inappropriate to the
 task at hand.
 
 Once, I actually saw the agreement, screen after screen
 of legalese and then discovered there was no button to click and
 no way out except to back up to the previous screen.
 
 I certainly hope that if I ever get this installed, it is worth
 wasting literally half a work day due to the IT equivalent of a
 dialog with an utter idiot. In this case, the idiot is the web
 site, not a specific person.
 
 I figured at this same time a couple of days ago, we'd
 have it installed and be testing to see if it meets our needs.
 
 The interesting thing about all this is that there has
 been a thread on this list about open source software. One
 comment I can make is that there is simply not these kinds of
 hassles. Commercial sites are too busy looking goo-oo-ood! to be
 useful much of the time.
 

This is one of the worst I have seen to date. Click here:

http://members.verizon.net/nightrecon/instantclient-sqlplus-
linux32-10.2.0.3-20061115.zip

Copy to /usr/ports/distfiles/oracle/ directory. Good luck to you.

-Mike



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Re: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD

2009-06-04 Thread Wojciech Puchar

What's wrong in FreeBSD handbook and many different paper books available
about unix? Actually not that many, but still there are available about
design of unix.


FreeBSD is really much more than the base OS.
Even though it is divided in to base and ports, it is really all
of them together.


port subsystem, but not ported programs. The same way as eg. Corel Draw 
isn't part of micro-soft windows

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Re: The quest for linux-oracle-instantclient-sqlplus

2009-06-04 Thread Michael Powell
Michael Powell wrote:

 Martin McCormick wrote:
 
 I have run across a couple of other ports that required the
 acceptance of a software agreement and the process was
 relatively painless, but this one makes up for all that and then
 some.
 
 For hours today, I have been wading through the Oracle
 web site trying to connect the URL
  
 http://www.oracle.com/technology/software/tech/oci/instantclient/index.html
 
[snip] 

Arghh! Wordwrapping broke it as a link. Try, try, and try again. Sigh
 
Click here:

http://members.verizon.net/nightrecon/instantclient-sqlplus-linux32-10.2.0.3-20061115.zip


Hope this helps.

-Mike

 




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Re: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD

2009-06-04 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 04:17:43PM -0400, Robert Huff wrote:

 
 Wojciech Puchar writes:
 
Well, man pages are good at formally documenting the how 
of use, but they often are not so helpful on the why and 
wherefor of use.
 
   for me it's exactly for this - to know how and why to use.
 
   It is important to understand man is a _reference_, not a
 _tutorial_.  It's great if you need to refresh your memory of the

Yes, I know.   That is why some other additional for is also useful.
I don't really propose changing man, but do often wish for some other
form.  Info does that a little, but still is often inadequate for
some comprehension of the why and wherefor of something that I 
have never mucked with.

I am not sure a 'tutorial' is it either because they tend to take a 
person through a couple of particular tasks using the item in
question, but still not discuss much of the why and wherefor.

jerry


 q flag, or check for exit codes, or check the order of parameters
 to the _fillintheblank() library call.  But if you're trying to
 figure out how to do X, or even how to do X correctly using this
 object ... many of the pages can leave you with the feeling you're
 stupider than you actually are.
   Being a tutorial may not be what man was designed for.  But
 until there's a designated and widely promoted text-only replacement
 it will be used as one.
 
 
   Robert Huff
 
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