RE: Best laptop for Freebsd

2006-12-01 Thread CyberSword
I really can't say enough times how much I love my IBM T23, it's a couple of
years old and runs both WinXP and FreeBSD 6.1 like a charm. 

I only had a bit of a problems configuring X, but that's part me for not
having much experience and was easily resolved by doing some digging in
Google.

-Original Message-

 On Thu, Nov 16, 2006 at 08:58:53AM +0300, g wrote:
 Is there any one model or product that would be better for Freebsd 6 
 (as this is my day in day out operating system).

 http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mobile

 Any experiences and or advise would be much appreciated.

 My vote is for Thinkpads

Mine too. I have an R51. Man, that computer is awesome. No issues with it,
etc.


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Re: Best laptop for Freebsd

2006-12-01 Thread Abram B OLson
I have an acer travelmate 2420 that requires ndis for the broadcom 4318 
wireless card but other than that it works in linux and freebsd nearly 
out-of-the-box. I got it from newegg for 500 usd too. I'm very happy 
with it.



Abe


CyberSword wrote:

I really can't say enough times how much I love my IBM T23, it's a couple of
years old and runs both WinXP and FreeBSD 6.1 like a charm. 


I only had a bit of a problems configuring X, but that's part me for not
having much experience and was easily resolved by doing some digging in
Google.

-Original Message-

  

On Thu, Nov 16, 2006 at 08:58:53AM +0300, g wrote:

Is there any one model or product that would be better for Freebsd 6 
(as this is my day in day out operating system).
  

http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mobile



Any experiences and or advise would be much appreciated.
  

My vote is for Thinkpads



Mine too. I have an R51. Man, that computer is awesome. No issues with it,
etc.


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Re: Best laptop for Freebsd

2006-12-01 Thread Old Ranger

Abram B OLson wrote:
I have an acer travelmate 2420 that requires ndis for the broadcom 
4318 wireless card but other than that it works in linux and freebsd 
nearly out-of-the-box. I got it from newegg for 500 usd too. I'm very 
happy with it.



Abe


CyberSword wrote:
I really can't say enough times how much I love my IBM T23, it's a 
couple of

years old and runs both WinXP and FreeBSD 6.1 like a charm.
I only had a bit of a problems configuring X, but that's part me for not
having much experience and was easily resolved by doing some digging in
Google.

-Original Message-

 

On Thu, Nov 16, 2006 at 08:58:53AM +0300, g wrote:
   
Is there any one model or product that would be better for Freebsd 
6 (as this is my day in day out operating system).
  

http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mobile

   

Any experiences and or advise would be much appreciated.
  

My vote is for Thinkpads



Mine too. I have an R51. Man, that computer is awesome. No issues 
with it,

etc.


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Greetings,
I recently got myself a Dell Inspiron 1501 with AMD dual core processor.
Split HDD in half, XPPRO on one side, FreeBSD 6.1 on the other side.
Only been tweaking with it for a couple of days now.
Several issues seem to be on the plate.
One is accessing the USB floppy drive. 
???  5 USB ports showing in dmesg, but none actually mount the drive 
when I attempt mount_msdosfs /dev/ /mnt  ??


Very happy otherwise.

DSL modem should be coming UPS in the next couple of days.
At THAT time, I'm sure I'll have some more questions and comments.

Thanks for listening, and any suggestions on the USB floppy drive access.

Ciao,
Z. Wade Hampton
Twin Bridges, Montana
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Re: Best laptop for Freebsd

2006-11-28 Thread Alexandre Vieira

On 11/28/06, Abdullah Al-Marrie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


On 11/28/06, hackmiester (Hunter Fuller) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 On 16 November 2006, at 01:34, George Allan wrote:

  On Thu, Nov 16, 2006 at 08:58:53AM +0300, g wrote:
  Is there any one model or product that would be better for Freebsd 6
  (as this is my day in day out operating system).
 
  http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mobile
 
  Any experiences and or advise would be much appreciated.
 
  My vote is for Thinkpads

 Mine too. I have an R51. Man, that computer is awesome. No issues
 with it, etc.

Toshiba is good too, when you compare it's price with ibm, you'll find
Toshiba with it's features is better choice.

Thank you,

-Abdullah
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Acers may or may not be a good choise.

I have a friend who bought one and it was all out of the box.

The two latest Acers I touched (one I bought and the other a friend bought
it) showed some problems.

ACPI implementation is horrible. I think they only tested it with Microsoft
Windows.

Some parts (ex: DVD drive) can be very poor quality parts and can fail
reasonably quickly.

Apart this everything works fine.

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Re: Best laptop for Freebsd

2006-11-27 Thread hackmiester (Hunter Fuller)


On 16 November 2006, at 01:34, George Allan wrote:


On Thu, Nov 16, 2006 at 08:58:53AM +0300, g wrote:

Is there any one model or product that would be better for Freebsd 6
(as this is my day in day out operating system).


http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mobile


Any experiences and or advise would be much appreciated.


My vote is for Thinkpads


Mine too. I have an R51. Man, that computer is awesome. No issues  
with it, etc.



A quick search of the archives will bear out
the popularity of that opinion.

Be prepared first to investigate the hardware on any prospective  
model,
second, evaluate the support with respect to each and every device,  
and

finally, spend time and effort configuring things so things work just
right, for increasingly large values of right.

I believe the investment in time and effort pays off in all sorts of
ways, but chances are you'll end up with a system that you'll consider
indispensible and one that you'll know better than your girlfriend,
wife, or whatever.   I'll leave it to you decide whether that's a good
thing.  ;-)


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Re: Best laptop for Freebsd

2006-11-27 Thread Abdullah Al-Marrie

On 11/28/06, hackmiester (Hunter Fuller) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


On 16 November 2006, at 01:34, George Allan wrote:

 On Thu, Nov 16, 2006 at 08:58:53AM +0300, g wrote:
 Is there any one model or product that would be better for Freebsd 6
 (as this is my day in day out operating system).

 http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mobile

 Any experiences and or advise would be much appreciated.

 My vote is for Thinkpads

Mine too. I have an R51. Man, that computer is awesome. No issues
with it, etc.


Toshiba is good too, when you compare it's price with ibm, you'll find
Toshiba with it's features is better choice.

Thank you,

-Abdullah
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Re: Best laptop for Freebsd

2006-11-16 Thread Josef Grosch
On Wed, Nov 15, 2006 at 11:34:18PM -0800, George Allan wrote:
 On Thu, Nov 16, 2006 at 08:58:53AM +0300, g wrote:
  Is there any one model or product that would be better for Freebsd 6
  (as this is my day in day out operating system).
 
 http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mobile
  
  Any experiences and or advise would be much appreciated.
 
 My vote is for Thinkpads.  A quick search of the archives will bear out
 the popularity of that opinion.


I also vote for Thinkpads. My trusty T22 has never failed me. The T43 that
work gave me ran FreeBSD 6.1 like a champ. The only problem I had with the
T43 was the fact it did not have a proper serial port. I was told to use
some silly USB connector which never worked right.

Yeah, a Thinkpad is expensive but they are worth it in the long run.


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Re: Best laptop for Freebsd

2006-11-16 Thread John Smith

On 11/16/06, g [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi Folks,

Well I stayed off the beer and other sinful delights for a while (month
or so P:) and have raked together enough cash to buy a new laptop. For
those of you out there with experience what would you advise. The plan
would be for ..unfortunately Windoze (vba stuff for work), Freebsd, and
most likely fedora. I had no problems getting my wireless to
work on the old one using the ndis stuff and freebsd beat the other
two hands down for performance.

Is there any one model or product that would be better for Freebsd 6 (as
this is my day in day out operating system).

Any experiences and or advise would be much appreciated.


thanks

Geoff


I would say Toshiba ;)

-J
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Re: Best laptop for Freebsd

2006-11-16 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Thursday, November 16, 2006 a las 12:20:44PM +0300, John Smith escribió:

 On 11/16/06, g [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Folks,
 
 Well I stayed off the beer and other sinful delights for a while (month
 or so P:) and have raked together enough cash to buy a new laptop. For
 those of you out there with experience what would you advise. The plan
 would be for ..unfortunately Windoze (vba stuff for work), Freebsd, and
 most likely fedora. I had no problems getting my wireless to
 work on the old one using the ndis stuff and freebsd beat the other
 two hands down for performance.
 
 Is there any one model or product that would be better for Freebsd 6 (as
 this is my day in day out operating system).
 
 Any experiences and or advise would be much appreciated.

What about http://gerda.univie.ac.at/freebsd-laptops/ ?

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Re: Best laptop for Freebsd

2006-11-16 Thread Norberto Meijome
On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 00:19:54 -0800
Josef Grosch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The only problem I had with the
 T43 was the fact it did not have a proper serial port. I was told to use
 some silly USB connector which never worked right.

a z60m here - same , but my serial-over-usb works really well, a prolific
PL-2303 chip. I have the following in my kernel

device  ucom# serial port over USB
device  uplcom  # Prolific PL-2303 - Comsol's USB-Serial port

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Re: Best laptop for Freebsd

2006-11-16 Thread Norberto Meijome
On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 12:20:44 +0300
John Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I would say Toshiba ;)

Actually, yes - probably second only to IBMs in quality. #1 for features /
price. I have had more issues with suspend/resume with Tosh than IBMs though.

btw, there's a thread in mobile@ started a few days back on the question. Plus
several over the months, of course :)

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Re: Best laptop for Freebsd

2006-11-16 Thread gb

Thanks Guys,

I think that I might go with the Toshiba as unfortunately the Thinkpad 
seem a bit pricey (I can't stay of the booze any longer :)



cheers

g
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Re: Best laptop for Freebsd

2006-11-16 Thread Zbigniew Szalbot

Hi,

On Thu, 16 Nov 2006, gb wrote:


Thanks Guys,

I think that I might go with the Toshiba as unfortunately the Thinkpad seem a 
bit pricey (I can't stay of the booze any longer :)


I am not sure Toshiba is so good any more. Maybe just a coincidence but we 
use three Ts in our organization. Two have already broken (one mainboard, 
the other graphic card), the third one works but issues sudden, irregular 
beeps which Toshiba has been _unable_ to diagnose for 6 months now! They 
tell us that since it works, then it is nothing serious. I get rather mad 
when I hear that only because we didn't get a second-hand unit but a brand 
new one and I would expect it to shut up and work since it is new and T. 
We're a bit discouraged at the moment with Toshiba.



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Re: Best laptop for Freebsd

2006-11-16 Thread nicky

I've got myself a Toshiba A100-159.

Some issues: No sound, no Wireless (to be honest, i haven't really 
bothered with trying to fix these two yes).

Sometimes i get some weird acpi errors in my daily output.

It does have one of those 1400xsomething wide screens, which isn't 
supported (yet) with the default XORG ati/radeon drivers. So you might 
want to put that on your check list. (also something i haven't really 
looked into, since i use an external screen 99.9% of the time).


But besides that, it's working quite nicely.

Stable, speedy. The internal SATA driver is supported, the burner works 
nicely, ethernet ok as well. I haven't tried PCMCIA, firewire, but USB 
works like a charm.


Hopes this helps.

gb wrote:

Thanks Guys,

I think that I might go with the Toshiba as unfortunately the Thinkpad 
seem a bit pricey (I can't stay of the booze any longer :)



cheers

g
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Re: Best laptop for Freebsd

2006-11-16 Thread White Hat
On Thursday November 16, 2006 at 06:08:02 (AM)
Zbigniew Szalbot wrote:

 I would expect it to shut up and work

We have that expectation for a lot of our employees;
however, as in your
scenario, it has not panned out.


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Re: Best laptop for Freebsd

2006-11-16 Thread Norberto Meijome
On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 13:58:21 +0300
gb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 (I can't stay of the booze any longer :)
mate, if your laptop purchases depend on your booze expenditure...you drink
some expensive stuff! (or you have some really low priced hardware
providers...which ones? ;) )

or maybe i dont drink as much as I used to...?  :D

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Re: Best laptop for Freebsd

2006-11-16 Thread Nathan Vidican

Zbigniew Szalbot wrote:

Hi,

On Thu, 16 Nov 2006, gb wrote:


Thanks Guys,

I think that I might go with the Toshiba as unfortunately the 
Thinkpad seem a bit pricey (I can't stay of the booze any longer :)


I am not sure Toshiba is so good any more. Maybe just a coincidence 
but we use three Ts in our organization. Two have already broken (one 
mainboard, the other graphic card), the third one works but issues 
sudden, irregular beeps which Toshiba has been _unable_ to diagnose 
for 6 months now! They tell us that since it works, then it is nothing 
serious. I get rather mad when I hear that only because we didn't get 
a second-hand unit but a brand new one and I would expect it to shut 
up and work since it is new and T. We're a bit discouraged at the 
moment with Toshiba.





I work for several companies, managing their it assets, dealing with 
purchasing, configuration, and maintenance - collectively purchasing a 
few hundred laptops over the passed few years. I've been a FreeBSD since 
the 2.2.1-RELEASE days, and have always had FreeBSD on my personal 
laptop - which changes once a year to a new model, (sparing the IBM 
stinkpads as mentioned below which were completely incapable of booting 
*BSD due to IBM's lack of judgement/research).


Same here - many issues with Toshiba laptops in the lest year or two. 
Stopped even thinking about the IBM Thinkpads - we call them stinkpads; 
had so many issues running BSD on them, in particular the M-series a few 
years back had bios issues as IBM chose *BSD's partition type (165) for 
their hybernation partition; poor excuses and even poorer support from 
IBM led us to cease purchasing their products and to seek elsewhere. 
IBM's official position on the issue, (after months of nagging them), 
was 'we only support windows 2000 on that particular model'. Don't get 
me wrong, IBM makes really good laptops - they take top-notch 
components, piece them all together well - package them up nicely, but 
then they totally screw up the bios and configuration so-as to be 
windows-centric.


In the end, we moved to Compaq (just before the merger with HP), and 
have since never been happier. Using mostly the Compaq Presario and HP 
Pavillion lines now (geared towards home users) we find nothing beats 
them in terms of price/featureset. I'm writing this now from an HP 
Pavillion dv8000-series laptop, (AMD Turion 64 processor,1024mb ram, has 
two hard drives (80gb stock, added 7200rpm 80gb afterwards), 17 
widescreen display, ATI graphics/chipset, wireless, dvd-rw, etc...). It 
dual boots between FreeBSD and Windows Vista 64-bit (for some 
development stuff), never had a problem with it - works great all-around 
and came stock with everything I could want for under $1300 Canadian 
dollars. I have yet to see IBM, Toshiba, or even Dell come close to that 
offering.


Just my two cents - but for what it's worth, I've got the experience and 
numbers to back it up - only had a single unit sent back for repair in 
the last year, and even then was returned fixed as promised in two days.



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Re: Best laptop for Freebsd

2006-11-16 Thread David Robillard

Hi Folks,

Well I stayed off the beer and other sinful delights for a while (month
or so P:) and have raked together enough cash to buy a new laptop. For
those of you out there with experience what would you advise. The plan
would be for ..unfortunately Windoze (vba stuff for work), Freebsd, and
most likely fedora. I had no problems getting my wireless to
work on the old one using the ndis stuff and freebsd beat the other
two hands down for performance.

Is there any one model or product that would be better for Freebsd 6 (as
this is my day in day out operating system).

Any experiences and or advise would be much appreciated.


thanks

Geoff


Hi Geoff,

It's not FreeBSD, but may I suggest an Apple PowerBook running MacOS X
? Or the new MacBook line?

I use a PowerBook G4 under MacOS X 10.4.8 as an administration system
everyday to manage around 50+ FreeBSD servers. I connect to my
server's serial consoles via a USB-to-Serial adapter from Keyspan with
ZTerm. You also have access to a ports-like environement on MacOS X
via http://www.macports.org/ and http://www.darwinports.com/.  It
works great.

My two cents.

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Re: Best laptop for Freebsd

2006-11-16 Thread pete wright

On 11/15/06, g [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi Folks,

Well I stayed off the beer and other sinful delights for a while (month
or so P:) and have raked together enough cash to buy a new laptop. For
those of you out there with experience what would you advise. The plan
would be for ..unfortunately Windoze (vba stuff for work), Freebsd, and
most likely fedora. I had no problems getting my wireless to
work on the old one using the ndis stuff and freebsd beat the other
two hands down for performance.

Is there any one model or product that would be better for Freebsd 6 (as
this is my day in day out operating system).

Any experiences and or advise would be much appreciated.




one site i would suggest is:
http://nycbug.org/index.php?NAV=dmesgd;SQLIMIT=20

it'll allow you to search dmesg log files from various OS/Hardware
combo's.  I know i've put a couple thinkpad entries in there.
hopefully it'll give you a good idea of the hardware support of
various laptops out there.  putting laptop as a search string seems
to pull up a fair amount of hit's.

HTH

-pete


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Re: Best laptop for Freebsd

2006-11-16 Thread Erik Norgaard

g wrote:

Is there any one model or product that would be better for Freebsd 6 (as
this is my day in day out operating system).

Any experiences and or advise would be much appreciated.


I'd suggest you do NOT buy a Sony VAIO. The basic stuff works - like the 
screen, harddisk and keyboard - even mouse/touchpad. But then comes the 
trouble.


- I still have unresolved problems with USB
- I still have unresolved problems with ACPI
- Intel Wireless works but linkstate goes up and down
- Battery does not hold what it says: I have never got more than 1:30
  out of it - and they claim more than 3 hours - (I assume with power
  off)

But the screen is really great. So, my conclusion is that it is ok as an 
advanced DVD player/mail reader.


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Re: Best laptop for Freebsd

2006-11-16 Thread Philip Hallstrom

Is there any one model or product that would be better for Freebsd 6 (as
this is my day in day out operating system).

Any experiences and or advise would be much appreciated.


I'd suggest you do NOT buy a Sony VAIO. The basic stuff works - like the 
screen, harddisk and keyboard - even mouse/touchpad. But then comes the 
trouble.


[snip]

But the screen is really great. So, my conclusion is that it is ok as an 
advanced DVD player/mail reader.


I can second this and I'm not even using FreebSD (win xp).  Avoid the Sony 
VGN-A790.  Yes the screen is awesome.  But that's it.  Battery life is 52 
minutes (brand new, I timed it, doing absoutely *nothing*. no music, no 
vids, just sitting).


And just sitting, the fan kicks on routinely about every 2 minutes and 
whirs for about a minute then shuts off.  Watching a video kicks it on 
full time.  It's horrific.


Run away :)
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Re: Best laptop for Freebsd

2006-11-16 Thread Gary Kline
On Wed, Nov 15, 2006 at 11:34:18PM -0800, George Allan wrote:
 On Thu, Nov 16, 2006 at 08:58:53AM +0300, g wrote:
  Is there any one model or product that would be better for Freebsd 6
  (as this is my day in day out operating system).
 
 http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mobile
  
  Any experiences and or advise would be much appreciated.
 
 My vote is for Thinkpads.  A quick search of the archives will bear out
 the popularity of that opinion.
 

I second this vote along with the others who favor the 
ThinkPad.  (Also very much appreciate the heads-up on the VAIO
below... )  I paid $336 for a 400MHz ThinkPad 600E in '03, 
including its upgrades, and it has run 24*7 for nearly 40 months.
It is a bit slow to bring up the larger suites (like firefox
or Abiword); but once in-memory, no complaints.   --I'm still 
at 5.4 but when 6.2 has been running for a few months, I'll
upgrade.  So: good hardware, best software.

That's my dime's worth.

gary


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Re: Best laptop for Freebsd

2006-11-16 Thread perryh
 I'd suggest you do NOT buy a Sony VAIO ...
 - I still have unresolved problems with ACPI
 ...
 - Battery does not hold what it says: I have never got more than 1:30
out of it - and they claim more than 3 hours - (I assume with power
off)

These are very likely related.  It is quite credible for working
ACPI to double battery life, esp. under typical one-person usage
(lots of idle time, when ACPI can put the CPU into powerdown).
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Re: Best laptop for Freebsd

2006-11-15 Thread George Allan
On Thu, Nov 16, 2006 at 08:58:53AM +0300, g wrote:
 Is there any one model or product that would be better for Freebsd 6
 (as this is my day in day out operating system).

http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mobile
 
 Any experiences and or advise would be much appreciated.

My vote is for Thinkpads.  A quick search of the archives will bear out
the popularity of that opinion.

Be prepared first to investigate the hardware on any prospective model,
second, evaluate the support with respect to each and every device, and
finally, spend time and effort configuring things so things work just
right, for increasingly large values of right.  

I believe the investment in time and effort pays off in all sorts of
ways, but chances are you'll end up with a system that you'll consider
indispensible and one that you'll know better than your girlfriend,
wife, or whatever.   I'll leave it to you decide whether that's a good
thing.  ;-)


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