Re: starting daemons at server start
At 01:34 PM 1/4/2004, Micke P wrote: There are a couple of things that I'm struggling with unsuccessfully. Me too. :-) One of them is figuring out how to get daemons to start up when the server starts, or restarts, without having to start them manually. Toward the end of the booting process fbsd will run [in sort order] whatever scripts it finds in the directory /usr/local/etc/rc.d/. hth, Marty Landman Face 2 Interface Inc 845-679-9387 Sign On Required: Web membership software for your site Make a Website: http://face2interface.com/Home/Demo.shtml ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: starting daemons at server start
Maybe you just don't understand what you are seeing. Inetd is the Super server. Every thing you uncomment in the inetd.conf file is an server of it own right. But instead of an daemon running for telnet or FTP all the time. Inetd runs and listens on the ports where those services would be listings and when inetd sees an request on the specified port it automatically launches the server for that service. With inetd running , ps ax only shows inetd running, but start an telnet session to your box and you will see that inetd has spawned an telnet server session. When your telnet users leaves the session, the telnet server terminates. Inetd is used to conserve resources. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Micke P Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 1:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: starting daemons at server start Hi, There are a couple of things that I'm struggling with unsuccessfully. :-( One of them is figuring out how to get daemons to start up when the server starts, or restarts, without having to start them manually. It may be clearly defined in the handbook, but I am inept enough to not see it. This is a configuration in the inetd? Thanks, Micke __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: starting daemons at server start
Right! Ok, it's definitely not inetd that I need. I'm thinking primarily of starting apache and a dynamic ip updater automatically at startup. Micke --- fbsd_user [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe you just don't understand what you are seeing. Inetd is the Super server. Every thing you uncomment in the inetd.conf file is an server of it own right. But instead of an daemon running for telnet or FTP all the time. Inetd runs and listens on the ports where those services would be listings and when inetd sees an request on the specified port it automatically launches the server for that service. With inetd running , ps ax only shows inetd running, but start an telnet session to your box and you will see that inetd has spawned an telnet server session. When your telnet users leaves the session, the telnet server terminates. Inetd is used to conserve resources. __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: starting daemons at server start
If it's apache you want to auto start then you missed the instruction during the install of apache that tells you to put it's start script into directory /usr/local/etc/rc.d/ -Original Message- From: Micke P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 2:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: starting daemons at server start Right! Ok, it's definitely not inetd that I need. I'm thinking primarily of starting apache and a dynamic ip updater automatically at startup. Micke --- fbsd_user [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe you just don't understand what you are seeing. Inetd is the Super server. Every thing you uncomment in the inetd.conf file is an server of it own right. But instead of an daemon running for telnet or FTP all the time. Inetd runs and listens on the ports where those services would be listings and when inetd sees an request on the specified port it automatically launches the server for that service. With inetd running , ps ax only shows inetd running, but start an telnet session to your box and you will see that inetd has spawned an telnet server session. When your telnet users leaves the session, the telnet server terminates. Inetd is used to conserve resources. __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: starting daemons at server start
At 02:21 PM 1/4/2004, Micke P wrote:
I'm thinking primarily of starting apache and a dynamic ip updater
automatically at startup.
Micke, here's a sample from my machine that may help:
# ls -alh /usr/local/etc/rc.d
total 20
drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512B Dec 30 16:58 .
drwxr-xr-x 9 root wheel 512B Dec 7 16:13 ..
-rwxr-x--- 1 root wheel 181B Dec 30 16:55 000.mysql-client.sh
-rwxr-xr-- 1 root wheel 144B Nov 12 16:18 001.landns.root.sh
-r-xr-xr-- 1 root pgsql 875B Nov 11 17:24 010.pgsql.sh
-rwxr-x--x 1 root wheel 407B Nov 12 19:33 apache2.sh
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel3K Nov 14 21:12 cups.sh.sample
-rwxr-x--- 1 root wheel 549B Dec 30 16:58 mysql-server.sh
-r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 602B Nov 14 21:47 samba.sh.sample
# cat /usr/local/etc/rc.d/apache2.sh
#!/bin/sh
PREFIX=/usr/local
case $1 in
start)
[ ssl = ssl -a -f $PREFIX/etc/apache2/ssl.crt/server.crt ]
SSL=ssl
[ -x ${PREFIX}/sbin/apachectl ] ${PREFIX}/sbin/apachectl
start${SSL} /dev/null echo -n ' apache2'
;;
stop)
[ -r /var/run/httpd.pid ] ${PREFIX}/sbin/apachectl stop
/dev/null echo -n ' apache2'
;;
*)
echo Usage: `basename $0` {start|stop} 2
;;
esac
exit 0
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Re: starting daemons at server start
Micke P wrote: Right! Ok, it's definitely not inetd that I need. I'm thinking primarily of starting apache and a dynamic ip updater automatically at startup. Micke --- fbsd_user [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe you just don't understand what you are seeing. Inetd is the Super server. Every thing you uncomment in the inetd.conf file is an server of it own right. But instead of an daemon running for telnet or FTP all the time. Inetd runs and listens on the ports where those services would be listings and when inetd sees an request on the specified port it automatically launches the server for that service. With inetd running , ps ax only shows inetd running, but start an telnet session to your box and you will see that inetd has spawned an telnet server session. When your telnet users leaves the session, the telnet server terminates. Inetd is used to conserve resources. If you installed apache from ports, there should already be a apache-dist.sh script in /usr/local/etc/rc.d . Copy it to apache.sh, chmod 600 (or at least make it executable), and apache should start at system reboot. Scott ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: starting daemons at server start
On Sun, Jan 04, 2004 at 11:21:56AM -0800, Micke P wrote: Right! Ok, it's definitely not inetd that I need. I'm thinking primarily of starting apache and a dynamic ip updater automatically at startup. Have a look for one of the dyndns update applications in the ports tree (look in /usr/ports/dns/ especially - from experience ddclient worked well for me:P). After you install install the one you want, the port installation should place a script in /usr/local/etc/rc.d that will start the application when the machine boots. Note however that for scripts in /usr/local/etc/rc.d to run at boot time, they must: - be executable (ie have the executable bit set - use chmod to do this) - end in .sh (a lot of the time port installations will install scripts into /usr/local/etc/rc.d with the extension .sh.sample - you need to rename it to end in .sh before it will run on boot) For more info on all of the above read up on the section on ports in the freebsd handbook and the man pages for rc, ports, mv and chmod. Good luck :P -- Jez Hancock - System Administrator / PHP Developer http://munk.nu/ http://jez.hancock-family.com/ - personal weblog http://ipfwstats.sf.net/- ipfw peruser traffic logging ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: starting daemons at server start
If there is something that is done automatically, I swear my karma is that it won't be done! I did do a port apache install. And right, I don't remember that being asked. I'm assuming there's an easier way to get this set up besides redoing the install. Examples of this script(working :-))? Micke --- fbsd_user [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If it's apache you want to auto start then you missed the instruction during the install of apache that tells you to put it's start script into directory /usr/local/etc/rc.d/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: starting daemons at server start
Micke P wrote:
If there is something that is done automatically, I
swear my karma is that it won't be done! I did do a
port apache install. And right, I don't remember that
being asked. I'm assuming there's an easier way to get
this set up besides redoing the install.
Examples of this script(working :-))?
Micke
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[0] $ cat apache.sh
#!/bin/sh
case $1 in
start)
[ -x /usr/local/sbin/apachectl ] /usr/local/sbin/apachectl
start /dev/null echo -n ' apache'
;;
stop)
[ -r /var/run/httpd.pid ] /usr/local/sbin/apachectl stop
/dev/null echo -n ' apache'
;;
*)
echo Usage: `basename $0` {start|stop} 2
;;
esac
exit 0
You'll have to check your locations of course, but the sample script
should arealy exist on your system. Run /etc/periodic/weekly/310.locate
cron and then:
locate apache.sh-dist
Scott
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RE: starting daemons at server start
On Sun, 4 Jan 2004, Micke P wrote:
Examples of this script(working :-))?
$ cat /usr/local/etc/rc.d/apache.sh
#!/bin/sh
case $1 in
start)
[ -x /usr/local/sbin/apachectl ] /usr/local/sbin/apachectl start
/dev/null echo 'apache: start'
;;
stop)
[ -r /var/run/httpd.pid ] /usr/local/sbin/apachectl stop /dev/null
echo ' apache: stop'
;;
*)
echo Usage: `basename $0` {start|stop} 2
;;
esac
exit 0
works on my system (4.9).
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Re: starting daemons at server start
There are numerous ways for daemons to start on boot: -- 1) Via their enabling in /etc/rc.conf (e.g. inetd, lpd) e.g. lpd_enable=YES. Look at /etc/defaults/rc.conf for things that will start (or not start) automatically unless they are overridden in /etc/rc.conf. Inetd is an good example of this (it defaults to start, unlike lpd) - in /etc/defaults/rc.conf, the line: inetd_enable=YES is there, which makes inetd start in boot unless inetd_enable=NO were specified in /etc/rc.conf 2) Via /usr/local/etc/rc.d/*.sh scripts (e.g. samba) - the ports put scripts in this directory. e.g. When samba is installed from the ports tree or via sysinstall, it creates /usr/local/etc/rc.d/samba.sh.sample. You must copy or rename it to /usr/local/etc/rc.d/samba.sh to have samba start on boot. Obviously a working smb.conf file is required. The install of samba also creates /usr/local/etc/smb.conf.default - you must copy or rename it to smb.conf, then edit it as suitable for your environment. Other ports typically install sample config files and startup scripts in /usr/local/etc and /usr/local/etc/rc.d respectively. 3) Via /usr/local/etc/rc.d/*.sh scripts and /etc/rc.conf (e.g. proftpd from the ports) e.g. proftpd requires both an entry in /etc/rc.conf - proftpd_enable=YES and /usr/local/etc/rc.d/proftpd.sh This behavior of requiring both entries (on 4.x) started sometime last year (see rc.subr in the ports tree) 4) Via /etc/rc.local Anything you put in here will start on boot, e.g. balance 3389 ts1 ts2(this command happens to balance MS terminal server sessions between the hosts named ts1 and ts2) if the port balance is installed, othewise the command just fails. -- As mentioned in the thread - inetd is a super server that spawns other processes to answer requests for services. see /etc/inetd.conf for things it responds to. Paul Micke P wrote: Right! Ok, it's definitely not inetd that I need. I'm thinking primarily of starting apache and a dynamic ip updater automatically at startup. Micke --- fbsd_user [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe you just don't understand what you are seeing. Inetd is the Super server. Every thing you uncomment in the inetd.conf file is an server of it own right. But instead of an daemon running for telnet or FTP all the time. Inetd runs and listens on the ports where those services would be listings and when inetd sees an request on the specified port it automatically launches the server for that service. With inetd running , ps ax only shows inetd running, but start an telnet session to your box and you will see that inetd has spawned an telnet server session. When your telnet users leaves the session, the telnet server terminates. Inetd is used to conserve resources. If you installed apache from ports, there should already be a apache-dist.sh script in /usr/local/etc/rc.d . Copy it to apache.sh, chmod 600 (or at least make it executable), and apache should start at system reboot. Scott ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: starting daemons at server start
At 03:39 PM 1/4/2004, Micke P wrote: If there is something that is done automatically, I swear my karma is that it won't be done! I did do a port apache install. And right, I don't remember that being asked. I'm assuming there's an easier way to get this set up besides redoing the install. Micke, could you please post back the results of the following commands? The output of these two cmds may be helpful. httpd -v ps -ax | grep httpd Marty Landman Face 2 Interface Inc 845-679-9387 Sign On Required: Web membership software for your site Make a Website: http://face2interface.com/Home/Demo.shtml ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: starting daemons at server start
Hi Subhro :-), Good information. After checking, I didn't have the local_startup line in my /etc/rc.conf file. This didn't work on restarting just now, but I added the line pointing to the rc.d apache dir where I had added the file apache.sh earlier (below). Still had to start apache by hand. I don't know if the script is correct, because there was no example script and I changed the script from another daemon. If so, I'm still missing something. Micke #!/bin/sh echo -n ' Apache' case $1 in start) /usr/local/apache/bin/apachectl start ;; stop) /usr/local/apache/bin/apachectl stop ;; *) echo Usage: 'basename $0' (start|stop) 2 exit 64 ;; esac exit 0 --- Subhro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Micke, Well there are quite a few ways in which you can start a daemon automatically. I would brief them for you. The most common daemons like sshd, apmd check the /etc/rc.conf for start commands. So if you want to start sshd at startup just put a line sshd_enable=YES in /etc/rc.conf and you will be back in business. For a list of all the daemons which can be started from rc.conf, refer to /etc/defaults/rc.conf. But DON'T modify that file. Instead copy that file to /etc and change it there if you don't have rc.conf in /etc initially. /etc/rc.conf overrides anything in /etc/defaults/rc.conf. The next common procedure of starting daemons in from within the inetd superserver.Inetd works as: it does not start the daemon initially. Instead it starts listening on the port which the daemon is supposed to listen on. For example if you are planning to start telnetd from inetd, then after the system startup, inetd will listen on port 23 and start up telnetd only when it senses someone knocking on port 23. In this way you can save on system resources by not starting the services unless you need them. For the inetd to waork you need to include a like inetd_enable=YES in /etc/rc.conf. However inetd has its cons as well. If you have a very busy webserver (for instance) and plan to start httpd (the webserver daemon) from inetd, then the overhead will be very high as inetd spawns a separate process for each incoming request. So sys-admins consider running daemons as staanalone. When you install some daemon like apache (for example) then you will find a startup file in /usr/local/etc/rc.d/. Most likely it would be names as daemon_name.conf.sample. Change the name to daemon_name.conf and change the permissions to 755 while you are logged in as root. At every boot the script will be called with a start argument which will start the service and at every shutdown it will be called with a stop argument. I would not give you a prize if you manually call the script with start, stop and restart arguments :-). The last but not the least. You can also start services from within crontab. But that's too cumbersome. Hence I don't like it. Refer to this page if you want to know how. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/configtuning-start ing-services.html I hope I have answered some of your queries. Do let us know if you need some more help. Remember FreeBSD unlike windows can dare to say Power to Serve :-) Regards Subhro -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Micke P Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 12:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: starting daemons at server start Hi, There are a couple of things that I'm struggling with unsuccessfully. :-( One of them is figuring out how to get daemons to start up when the server starts, or restarts, without having to start them manually. It may be clearly defined in the handbook, but I am inept enough to not see it. This is a configuration in the inetd? Thanks, Micke __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: starting daemons at server start
Woohoo! I changed the permissions on my apache shell
file and presto- apache now starts on rebooting!
Thanks very very much all of you for your very good
help. That's one less thing to be frazzled about.
Micke
--- Marty Landman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 02:21 PM 1/4/2004, Micke P wrote:
I'm thinking primarily of starting apache and a
dynamic ip updater
automatically at startup.
Micke, here's a sample from my machine that may
help:
# ls -alh /usr/local/etc/rc.d
total 20
drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512B Dec 30 16:58 .
drwxr-xr-x 9 root wheel 512B Dec 7 16:13 ..
-rwxr-x--- 1 root wheel 181B Dec 30 16:55
000.mysql-client.sh
-rwxr-xr-- 1 root wheel 144B Nov 12 16:18
001.landns.root.sh
-r-xr-xr-- 1 root pgsql 875B Nov 11 17:24
010.pgsql.sh
-rwxr-x--x 1 root wheel 407B Nov 12 19:33
apache2.sh
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel3K Nov 14 21:12
cups.sh.sample
-rwxr-x--- 1 root wheel 549B Dec 30 16:58
mysql-server.sh
-r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 602B Nov 14 21:47
samba.sh.sample
# cat /usr/local/etc/rc.d/apache2.sh
#!/bin/sh
PREFIX=/usr/local
case $1 in
start)
[ ssl = ssl -a -f
$PREFIX/etc/apache2/ssl.crt/server.crt ]
SSL=ssl
[ -x ${PREFIX}/sbin/apachectl ]
${PREFIX}/sbin/apachectl
start${SSL} /dev/null echo -n ' apache2'
;;
stop)
[ -r /var/run/httpd.pid ]
${PREFIX}/sbin/apachectl stop
/dev/null echo -n ' apache2'
;;
*)
echo Usage: `basename $0` {start|stop}
2
;;
esac
exit 0
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RE: starting daemons at server start
At 06:03 PM 1/4/2004, Micke P wrote: Woohoo! I changed the permissions on my apache shell file and presto- apache now starts on rebooting! Speaking of permissions, I've got my fbsd box set up with apache2 as a local development environment. It's working great and would save me tons of time u/l'g and testing changes remotely if I could keep my hands off the darned config. :) I bring this up because where I'm stymied with Apache is having to workaround my failure to recompile it with suexec enabled by changing file permissions to what they won't be on the live servers. Just in case anyone's interested Marty Landman Face 2 Interface Inc 845-679-9387 Sign On Required: Web membership software for your site Make a Website: http://face2interface.com/Home/Demo.shtml ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: starting daemons at server start
Marty Landman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Speaking of permissions, I've got my fbsd box set up with apache2 as a local development environment. It's working great and would save me tons of time u/l'g and testing changes remotely if I could keep my hands off the darned config. :) I'm not an expert at Apache, exactly, but I can tell that you need to be more specific about the changes you're making, and why, before anybody can help you find a way to avoid doing that. I bring this up because where I'm stymied with Apache is having to workaround my failure to recompile it with suexec enabled by changing file permissions to what they won't be on the live servers. That sentence is close to grammatically correct, but it's painfully contorted... What are you using suexec for (or what would you use it for)? A lot of workarounds tend to be just as much of a security concern as suexec is itself. Just in case anyone's interested Well, no, but willing to help anyway... -- Lowell Gilbert, embedded/networking software engineer, Boston area: resume/CV at http://be-well.ilk.org:8088/~lowell/resume/ username/password public ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: starting daemons at server start
At 07:23 PM 1/4/2004, Lowell Gilbert wrote: I'm not an expert at Apache, exactly, but I can tell that you need to be more specific about the changes you're making, and why, before anybody can help you find a way to avoid doing that. As I understand it, Apache provides a module called suexec to allow cgi's to run as the user that owns the directory. Without suexec cgi's run as the httpd owner which is typically a 'nobody' user with highly restricted permissions. So to allow e.g. mypgm.cgi default permission to write to a file in /mnt/web/guide/guido (user Guido's root) with a chmod of 644 Apache must be recompiled with suexec enabled. I failed at my attempt to do this and didn't want to keep plugging away so have just chmod'd my (local intranet) root directories to 777. It's a lousy kluge but it does permit me to keep working. A lot of workarounds tend to be just as much of a security concern as suexec is itself. Not sure security's an issue on my intranet, but inevitably working improperly will lead to improper results and security issues on the production server. Marty Landman Face 2 Interface Inc 845-679-9387 Sign On Required: Web membership software for your site Make a Website: http://face2interface.com/Home/Demo.shtml ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
