Re: FreeBSD compatible mini-itx board
On 19 May 2011 at 11:59, Chuck Swiger wrote: On May 19, 2011, at 11:46 AM, Erik N=F8rgaard wrote: It indicates that they put faster RAM into the box, but ran it at a speed of 533MHz, which is slower than the memory is capable of running. In some cases, doing this lets you run the RAM at lower voltage or with tighter timing settings of CL/tRCD/tTP/etc. Thanks, currently I have, well ancient RAM on an old VIA board and it's not really any reliable. That with the flacky disk controller on the VIA board is my reason to go Intel. Yeah, I have one of the VIA EPIA M6000 boards, and the IDE controller gets flaky under load if there is more than one device attached. Disabling the secondary channel on IRQ 15 helped some Regards, -- -Chuck With VIA mobo's any older than about 3 years, check the condition of all the 1000uF/6.3V electrolytic caps scattered about the place. Any bulging, or showning brown crusty stuff (leakage) replace them. Bad power rail decpoupling can cripple a system but present itself as one particular subsystem acting up under specific conditions. They don't fix themselves, they only get worse. Regards. DaveB. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD compatible mini-itx board
On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 4:05 PM, Erik Nørgaard norga...@locolomo.orgwrote: Hi: I am looking for a new low power mini-itx board for my firewall/home server. I've had VIA boards but flacky disk controller and other problems have made me look for something else. So, going all Intel, I hope there will be no hardware problems. I'm looking at The Intel D945GSEJT with an Atom N270 processor and the following specs: Mobile Intel 945GSE Express Chipset Intel 82945GSE Express Chipset Graphics/Memory Controller Hub Intel 82801GBM I/O Controller Hub (ICH7-M) Intel GMA950 RealTek 8111DL Gigabit Ethernet Controller Does FBSD support this? I don't care about graphics basic VGA is enough as this will be a headless server. But I do care that the disk controller is fully supported as well as the NIC. Any suggestions of alternative boards? AFAIK the N270 is single core 32bit, a dual core and/or 64bit alternative would be interesting. Also: The Intel manual mentions: Support for DDR2 533 MHz SO-DIMMs (DDR2 800 MHz and DDR2 667 MHz validated to run at 533 MHz only) Will faster RAM result in a less stable system? And what is Serial Presence Detect RAM? I've never seen this advertised. Lots of questions, I know... Thanks, Erik ___ I'd recommend the below instead, DDR2 is deprecated. http://www.intel.com/products/desktop/motherboards/db-D525MW/D525MW-overview.htm I've had good results with these. These can do 8GB on amd64 (though the aforementioned page only states 4GB) with 2x4GB DDR3 1066 SODIMMs. AHCI GbE work fine. The D525MW is dualcore+HT, there's also the 425KT single core+HT variant. The latter doesn't have GbE...not worth it IMHO. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD compatible mini-itx board
Erik N?rgaard norga...@locolomo.org wrote: ... what is Serial Presence Detect RAM? SPD refers to an I2C device mounted on (most) DIMMS, which provides the BIOS with the DIMM's size and speed properties. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD compatible mini-itx board
On May 19, 2011, at 11:46 AM, Erik Nørgaard wrote: It indicates that they put faster RAM into the box, but ran it at a speed of 533MHz, which is slower than the memory is capable of running. In some cases, doing this lets you run the RAM at lower voltage or with tighter timing settings of CL/tRCD/tTP/etc. Thanks, currently I have, well ancient RAM on an old VIA board and it's not really any reliable. That with the flacky disk controller on the VIA board is my reason to go Intel. Yeah, I have one of the VIA EPIA M6000 boards, and the IDE controller gets flaky under load if there is more than one device attached. Disabling the secondary channel on IRQ 15 helped some Regards, -- -Chuck ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD compatible mini-itx board
Hi-- [ Perry gave a good answer to the last question; I'll try to hit some of the earlier ones. :-) ] On May 19, 2011, at 12:23 AM, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote: Erik N?rgaard norga...@locolomo.org wrote: Mobile Intel 945GSE Express Chipset Intel 82945GSE Express Chipset Graphics/Memory Controller Hub Intel 82801GBM I/O Controller Hub (ICH7-M) Intel GMA950 RealTek 8111DL Gigabit Ethernet Controller Does FBSD support this? FreeBSD ought to support the 945G chipset and the ICH7 hub; also the RealTek NIC, but the latter isn't the highest quality NIC around. Also: The Intel manual mentions: Support for DDR2 533 MHz SO-DIMMs (DDR2 800 MHz and DDR2 667 MHz validated to run at 533 MHz only) Will faster RAM result in a less stable system? It indicates that they put faster RAM into the box, but ran it at a speed of 533MHz, which is slower than the memory is capable of running. In some cases, doing this lets you run the RAM at lower voltage or with tighter timing settings of CL/tRCD/tTP/etc. ... what is Serial Presence Detect RAM? SPD refers to an I2C device mounted on (most) DIMMS, which provides the BIOS with the DIMM's size and speed properties. Yes. In particular, newer memory uses the SPD to provide multiple timing profiles, which can be used for EPP and XMP for indicating that the RAM has higher performance timings available. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_Presence_Detect Regards, -- -Chuck ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD compatible mini-itx board
On 19/5/11 7:49 PM, Chuck Swiger wrote: FreeBSD ought to support the 945G chipset and the ICH7 hub; also the RealTek NIC, but the latter isn't the highest quality NIC around. yeah, I'd rather have Intels own NIC dunno why they can't put them on their own boards. Realtek seem to be on all the Intel boards :S At least I'm adding an Intel PCI NIC. Also: The Intel manual mentions: Support for DDR2 533 MHz SO-DIMMs (DDR2 800 MHz and DDR2 667 MHz validated to run at 533 MHz only) Will faster RAM result in a less stable system? It indicates that they put faster RAM into the box, but ran it at a speed of 533MHz, which is slower than the memory is capable of running. In some cases, doing this lets you run the RAM at lower voltage or with tighter timing settings of CL/tRCD/tTP/etc. Thanks, currently I have, well ancient RAM on an old VIA board and it's not really any reliable. That with the flacky disk controller on the VIA board is my reason to go Intel. Regards, Thanks, Erik ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
FreeBSD compatible mini-itx board
Hi: I am looking for a new low power mini-itx board for my firewall/home server. I've had VIA boards but flacky disk controller and other problems have made me look for something else. So, going all Intel, I hope there will be no hardware problems. I'm looking at The Intel D945GSEJT with an Atom N270 processor and the following specs: Mobile Intel 945GSE Express Chipset Intel 82945GSE Express Chipset Graphics/Memory Controller Hub Intel 82801GBM I/O Controller Hub (ICH7-M) Intel GMA950 RealTek 8111DL Gigabit Ethernet Controller Does FBSD support this? I don't care about graphics basic VGA is enough as this will be a headless server. But I do care that the disk controller is fully supported as well as the NIC. Any suggestions of alternative boards? AFAIK the N270 is single core 32bit, a dual core and/or 64bit alternative would be interesting. Also: The Intel manual mentions: Support for DDR2 533 MHz SO-DIMMs (DDR2 800 MHz and DDR2 667 MHz validated to run at 533 MHz only) Will faster RAM result in a less stable system? And what is Serial Presence Detect RAM? I've never seen this advertised. Lots of questions, I know... Thanks, Erik ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
FBSD support for Intel mini-itx board w. realtek 8111D nic
Hi: I've got a fanless via based mini-itx box as my gateway and server and looking to upgrade to a Intel Atom based box. I believe it's supported out of the box. Now, I don't have an extra monitor, basically I'm gonna take the old disk, plug it in and hope it will boot (FBSD81, GENERIC kernel). So, I'm looking at the D945GSEJT which has a realtek 8111DL nic. Which driver is used for this nic? Well, basically I need to preconfigure the network so I can connect if/when it gets up. Thanks, Erik ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FBSD support for Intel mini-itx board w. realtek 8111D nic
On Fri, 1 Apr 2011, Erik Nørgaard wrote: I'm looking at the D945GSEJT which has a realtek 8111DL nic. Which driver is used for this nic? re(4). Some forum users have had recent problems with certain versions (maybe newer) of the 8111. My older 8111C onboard versions have always worked fine.___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Intel DG45FC Fly Creek LGA 775 Mini-ITX system board compatibility?
Hi, I'd just like to know if the Intel DG45FC Fly Creek LGA 775 Mini-ITX system board is compatible with FreeBSD and also if there is a PCIe SATA card recommendation too as I need more SATA ports?? I plan on building a Mini-ITX based NAS/Server using a Chenbro hot-swap chassis with FreeBSD 8.0 x64 at the heart of the system so I just want to make sure that everything I buy is going to work and won't cause me any problems and make me revert to Linux which would be a drag as there's no ZFS file system and I just squared all the ZFS stuff on the FreeBSD-FS portion of the mailing list. If anyone can give me any hints, tips, or advice it would be very much appreciated!! Many thanks, Kaya ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
RE: Intel D510MO Mini-ITX Motherboard - Is anyone using FreeBSD on this?
closing out this thread I did go ahead and buy one of these boards and can now report that FreeBSD-8.0/i386 boots and runs on it with no apparent problems. A user in the forums reports similar success running 8.0/amd64. Extremely quiet and inexpensive board. At around $80, it is one-third the cost of the Supermicro boards. Not much use as a space heater, however; I've had it running for more than 24 hours, busily recompiling ports, and the heatsink is just barely warm to the touch. Next time I reboot it I'm going to plug it into my Kill-a-Watt meter to measure its power draw... Reports of successes with both adm64 andi386 versions of 8.0-RELEASE and Intel D510MO board have been showing up on a few different discussion forums now. I have to correct myself in regard to the Supermicro X7SPA-H board. The board seems to be roughly 2 times as expensive as the Intel D510MO (~75$ for the D150MO vs $150-170$ for the X7SPA-H). However, these prices seem to only be like that in the US. When looking at European prices, it seems that the D510MO board goes for about 75-80 euro and the X7SPA-H goes for about 190-230 euro, depending on country and reseller. So while the Supermicro board is roughly twice as expensive as the Intel board in the US, it's roughly 3 times as expensive if you are buying in Europe. I still ended up going with the X7SPA-H though (finally pulled the plug on ordering all the parts for a new system yesterday), mainly because it saves me the trouble of immideately having to hunt for an additional disk controller card: the D510MO has only 2 SATA ports and a PCI slot for expansion (and I have REALLY burned myself badly on the performance of PCI disk controller cards in the past), while the X7SPA-H comes with 6 native SATA ports on an ICH9R controller and has a 4xPCIE (in 16x physical form) for expansion. - Sincerely, Dan Naumov ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Intel D510MO Mini-ITX Motherboard - Is anyone using FreeBSD on this?
On Fri 29 Jan 2010 at 01:36:15 PST Dan Naumov wrote: Reports of successes with both adm64 andi386 versions of 8.0-RELEASE and Intel D510MO board have been showing up on a few different discussion forums now. I have to correct myself in regard to the Supermicro X7SPA-H board. The board seems to be roughly 2 times as expensive as the Intel D510MO (~75$ for the D150MO vs $150-170$ for the X7SPA-H). However, these prices seem to only be like that in the US. When looking at European prices, it seems that the D510MO board goes for about 75-80 euro and the X7SPA-H goes for about 190-230 euro, depending on country and reseller. So while the Supermicro board is roughly twice as expensive as the Intel board in the US, it's roughly 3 times as expensive if you are buying in Europe. I still ended up going with the X7SPA-H though (finally pulled the plug on ordering all the parts for a new system yesterday), mainly because it saves me the trouble of immideately having to hunt for an additional disk controller card: the D510MO has only 2 SATA ports and a PCI slot for expansion (and I have REALLY burned myself badly on the performance of PCI disk controller cards in the past), while the X7SPA-H comes with 6 native SATA ports on an ICH9R controller and has a 4xPCIE (in 16x physical form) for expansion. Don't the Supermicro boards also have a better network chip than the Realtek one used on Intel's boards? FWIW, my Kill-a-Watt meter says the D510MO is drawing about 25W on average. That's for everything inside the case. If I'd gone with a single-core chip and a solid-state drive, I could probably get that down to about 20W. This is definitely a green machine! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Intel D510MO Mini-ITX Motherboard - Is anyone using FreeBSD on this?
On Mon 25 Jan 2010 at 02:00:47 PST Charlie Kester wrote: http://www.mini-box.com/D510MO-mini-ITX-Intel I'm thinking of ordering one of these motherboards, which have the newest dual-core Atom processor and NM10 chipset. I'm intrigued by its low-power, fanless operation. I already have FreeBSD running on one of the older Atom mobo's, so I know not to expect high-end performance from these inexpensive processors. But that older board has an annoyingly noisy fan, and I'd like to replace it. Has anyone already tried putting FreeBSD on one of these? Any problems? closing out this thread I did go ahead and buy one of these boards and can now report that FreeBSD-8.0/i386 boots and runs on it with no apparent problems. A user in the forums reports similar success running 8.0/amd64. Extremely quiet and inexpensive board. At around $80, it is one-third the cost of the Supermicro boards. Not much use as a space heater, however; I've had it running for more than 24 hours, busily recompiling ports, and the heatsink is just barely warm to the touch. Next time I reboot it I'm going to plug it into my Kill-a-Watt meter to measure its power draw... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Intel D510MO Mini-ITX Motherboard - Is anyone using FreeBSD on this?
http://www.mini-box.com/D510MO-mini-ITX-Intel I'm thinking of ordering one of these motherboards, which have the newest dual-core Atom processor and NM10 chipset. I'm intrigued by its low-power, fanless operation. I already have FreeBSD running on one of the older Atom mobo's, so I know not to expect high-end performance from these inexpensive processors. But that older board has an annoyingly noisy fan, and I'd like to replace it. Has anyone already tried putting FreeBSD on one of these? Any problems? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
RE: Intel D510MO Mini-ITX Motherboard - Is anyone using FreeBSD on this?
Not to steal your discussion thread, but I thought I'd ask (and you'd perhaps too be interested) what's the status of FreeBSD on these 2: Supermicro X7SPA-H: http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/ATOM/ICH9/X7SPA.cfm?typ=H Supermicro X7SPA-HF: http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/ATOM/ICH9/X7SPA.cfm?typ=HIPMI=Y Supermicro recently came out with quite a bunch of Atom-based solutions and these 2 boards stuck out as havign 6 x SATA ports, which make them tempting for a NAS solution. - Sincerely, Dan Naumov ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Intel D510MO Mini-ITX Motherboard - Is anyone using FreeBSD on this?
On Mon 25 Jan 2010 at 03:14:42 PST Dan Naumov wrote: Not to steal your discussion thread, but I thought I'd ask (and you'd perhaps too be interested) what's the status of FreeBSD on these 2: Supermicro X7SPA-H: http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/ATOM/ICH9/X7SPA.cfm?typ=H Supermicro X7SPA-HF: http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/ATOM/ICH9/X7SPA.cfm?typ=HIPMI=Y Supermicro recently came out with quite a bunch of Atom-based solutions and these 2 boards stuck out as havign 6 x SATA ports, which make them tempting for a NAS solution. Interesting. But I don't have any need for the extra SATA ports. Are there any other significant differences between the ICH9 chipset and the NM10 used on the D510MO? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Intel D510MO Mini-ITX Motherboard - Is anyone using FreeBSD on this?
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 11:46:57AM -0800, Charlie Kester wrote: On Mon 25 Jan 2010 at 03:14:42 PST Dan Naumov wrote: Not to steal your discussion thread, but I thought I'd ask (and you'd perhaps too be interested) what's the status of FreeBSD on these 2: Supermicro X7SPA-H: http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/ATOM/ICH9/X7SPA.cfm?typ=H Supermicro X7SPA-HF: http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/ATOM/ICH9/X7SPA.cfm?typ=HIPMI=Y Supermicro recently came out with quite a bunch of Atom-based solutions and these 2 boards stuck out as havign 6 x SATA ports, which make them tempting for a NAS solution. Interesting. But I don't have any need for the extra SATA ports. Are there any other significant differences between the ICH9 chipset and the NM10 used on the D510MO? Well, ICH9 definitely works with FreeBSD in my laptop. :-) Roland -- R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) pgpsqzUnXKbbl.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Does 6.2 Support VIA EPIA M10000G Nehemiah Mini-ITX?
Eric Osterweil [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I just installed 6.2 on a VIA EPIA M1G Nehemiah Mini-ITX. It all seems to have installed fine, but when I try to buildworld I get internal compiler errors almost immediately. The problems are not consistently in the same place but they seem to be for the same reason. Inconsistent compiler errors are almost always a hardware issue. I have an earlier Nehemiah-class board (possibly the one which yours replaced), which has been very reliable as my home server for a couple of years. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Does 6.2 Support VIA EPIA M10000G Nehemiah Mini-ITX?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I just installed 6.2 on a VIA EPIA M1G Nehemiah Mini-ITX. It all seems to have installed fine, but when I try to buildworld I get internal compiler errors almost immediately. The problems are not consistently in the same place but they seem to be for the same reason. Here is the latest output: - -- stage 1.1: legacy release compatibility shims - -- cd /usr/src; MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp INSTALL=sh /usr/ src/tools/install.sh PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/sbin:/usr/ obj/us r/src/tmp/legacy/usr/bin:/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/games:/sbin:/ bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin WORLDTMP=/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp MAKEFLAGS=-m / usr/s rc/tools/build/mk -m /usr/src/share/mk make -f Makefile.inc1 DESTDIR= BOOTSTRAPPING=602000 -DNO_HTML -DNO_INFO -DNO_LINT - DNO_MAN -DNO_NLS - DNO_PIC -DNO_PROFILE -DNO_SHARED -DNO_CPU_CFLAGS -DNO_WARNS legacy === tools/build (obj,includes,depend,all,install) /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/src/tools/build created for /usr/src/tools/ build cd /usr/src/tools/build; make buildincludes; make installincludes rm -f .depend mkdep -f .depend -a-I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/include /usr/ src/tools/build/dummy.c cc -pipe -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/include -c /usr/src/tools/ build/dummy.c cc: Internal error: Illegal instruction: 4 (program as) Please submit a full bug report. See URL:http://gcc.gnu.org/bugs.html for instructions. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/tools/build. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. Thanks in advance, Eric -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) iD8DBQFHab4fK/tq6CJjZQIRAv3XAJ4zLgXDFvRgnPeLqfOn8f0phz9H8ACfR5v7 2yheMl+xm9S8JQbtzq8miZM= =vCkU -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Does 6.2 Support VIA EPIA M10000G Nehemiah Mini-ITX?
On Dec 19, 2007, at 4:58 PM, Eric Osterweil wrote: I just installed 6.2 on a VIA EPIA M1G Nehemiah Mini-ITX. It all seems to have installed fine, but when I try to buildworld I get internal compiler errors almost immediately. The problems are not consistently in the same place but they seem to be for the same reason. Here is the latest output: Inconsistent errors tend to indicate a problem with cooling or with memory-- I've got a slower ITX box (a C3 M6000?) which would do the same thing with the first two DIMMs I put in it, but worked fine with a better grade of Crucial RAM. Dig up a memtest86 floppy or test CD to do more exhaustive checking Regards, -- -Chuck ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SUMMARY: CPUTYPE for VIA EPIA M-Series Mini-ITX
On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 14:39:00 -0500
Jeffrey Goldberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've had two responses telling me that the make.conf defaults are
just fine, and two (one off list) recommending i686/pentiumpro. One
for pentiumpro and the other for i686, but as Andreas Rudish
helpfully pointed out, those two are probably the same thing. No
one suggested using c3. In fact, cpghost emphatically stated not to
use C3 in make.conf
Adbullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri also helpfully directed me for
information about safe CFLAGS to
http://gentoo-wiki.com/Safe_Cflags
where the entry for the Via Nehemiah says:
==
Nehemiah (C5XL)/C5P (Via)
CHOST=i686-pc-linux-gnu
CFLAGS=-march=i686 -msse -mmmx -O2 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer
CXXFLAGS=${CFLAGS}
note: The more recent versions of the C3 do support the cmov
instruction and hence -march=i686. If you must be compatible with
all VIA C3 versions, do not use the settings in this section.
note: it is also possible to use -march=c3-2. -- Comment to this:
I got a problem compiler can't create executables with this setting.
From: /usr/share/mk/bsd.cpu.mk
. elif ${CPUTYPE} == c3
MACHINE_CPU = 3dnow mmx i586 i486 i386
. elif ${CPUTYPE} == c3-2
MACHINE_CPU = sse mmx i586 i486 i386
If you look at the screenshot of the CPUID window from the review
linked by Garrett, it says the Nehemiah has sse but not 3dnow, which
matches the c3-2 settings above.
I would recommend that you comment out C[XX]FLAGS and try again
with CPUTYPE=c3-2
FreeBSD isn't Gentoo, and using Gentoo's settings may cause trouble in
the long-term. If you set CPUTYPE properly, FreeBSD will normally
come-up with sensible optimizations.
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Re: SUMMARY: CPUTYPE for VIA EPIA M-Series Mini-ITX
On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 04:33:15PM +, RW wrote:
On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 14:39:00 -0500
Jeffrey Goldberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've had two responses telling me that the make.conf defaults are
just fine, and two (one off list) recommending i686/pentiumpro. One
for pentiumpro and the other for i686, but as Andreas Rudish
helpfully pointed out, those two are probably the same thing. No
one suggested using c3. In fact, cpghost emphatically stated not to
use C3 in make.conf
From: /usr/share/mk/bsd.cpu.mk
. elif ${CPUTYPE} == c3
MACHINE_CPU = 3dnow mmx i586 i486 i386
. elif ${CPUTYPE} == c3-2
MACHINE_CPU = sse mmx i586 i486 i386
If you look at the screenshot of the CPUID window from the review
linked by Garrett, it says the Nehemiah has sse but not 3dnow, which
matches the c3-2 settings above.
I would recommend that you comment out C[XX]FLAGS and try again
with CPUTYPE=c3-2
FreeBSD isn't Gentoo, and using Gentoo's settings may cause trouble in
the long-term. If you set CPUTYPE properly, FreeBSD will normally
come-up with sensible optimizations.
The above is good advice, but I personally don't recall there ever being
a c3 CPUTYPE designation. For example:
$ grep -i c3 /usr/share/mk/bsd.cpu.mk
$ sed q /usr/share/mk/bsd.cpu.mk ; uname -r
# $FreeBSD: src/share/mk/bsd.cpu.mk,v 1.48 2005/05/24 21:24:40 cognet Exp $
6.1-RELEASE
On other hand, from reading your headers:
X-Mailer: Claws Mail 2.8.0 (GTK+ 2.10.11; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2)
suggests to me that it may have been added to 6.2. If that's the case,
then it merits being pointed out.
Cheers.
--
George
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Re: CPUTYPE for VIA EPIA M-Series Mini-ITX
On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 08:44:21PM -0500, Jeffrey Goldberg wrote: I have one of these CPU: VIA C3 Nehemiah (999.52-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = CentaurHauls Id = 0x691 Stepping = 1 Features=0x380b035FPU,DE,TSC,MSR,MTRR,PGE,CMOV,MMX,FXSR,SSE http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/mainboards/motherboards.jsp? motherboard_id=81 And 6.2-RELEASE p2 When I set CPUTYPE=c3 in /etc/make.conf the world seemed to build just fine, but (at least) gcc ended up broken. Most compiling attempts after that ended up with gcc reporting an internal error. Now that I've entered the FreeBSD world and am building everything from source, I would like to take advantage of that by compiling for my system. Does anyone have a similar system? And what CPUTYPE or local tuning do you recommend? I have CPU: VIA C3 Samuel 2 (533.36-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = CentaurHauls Id = 0x673 Stepping = 3 Features=0x803035FPU,DE,TSC,MSR,MTRR,PGE,MMX real memory = 528416768 (503 MB) running FreeBSD 6.2 without problems. The key here is NOT to set CPUTYPE in /etc/make.conf. Just use the defaults and you're fine. A dmesg for the system is available at http://ntp0.goldmark.org/temp/dmesg Cheers, -j -- Jeffrey Goldberghttp://www.goldmark.org/jeff/ Regards, -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CPUTYPE for VIA EPIA M-Series Mini-ITX
On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 02:44:21 +0100, Jeffrey Goldberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have one of these CPU: VIA C3 Nehemiah (999.52-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = CentaurHauls Id = 0x691 Stepping = 1 Features=0x380b035FPU,DE,TSC,MSR,MTRR,PGE,CMOV,MMX,FXSR,SSE And 6.2-RELEASE p2 When I set CPUTYPE=c3 in /etc/make.conf the world seemed to build just fine, but (at least) gcc ended up broken. Most compiling attempts after that ended up with gcc reporting an internal error. Does anyone have a similar system? And what CPUTYPE or local tuning do you recommend? I have a Via Epia PD1 with the same CPU and use: CPUTYPE= i686 Although it does not seem to be mentioned in /usr/share/examples/etc/make.conf anymore (afaik i686==pentiumpro), it works just fine. Andreas ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CPUTYPE for VIA EPIA M-Series Mini-ITX
On 3/15/07, cpghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 08:44:21PM -0500, Jeffrey Goldberg wrote: I have one of these CPU: VIA C3 Nehemiah (999.52-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = CentaurHauls Id = 0x691 Stepping = 1 Features=0x380b035FPU,DE,TSC,MSR,MTRR,PGE,CMOV,MMX,FXSR,SSE http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/mainboards/motherboards.jsp? motherboard_id=81 And 6.2-RELEASE p2 When I set CPUTYPE=c3 in /etc/make.conf the world seemed to build just fine, but (at least) gcc ended up broken. Most compiling attempts after that ended up with gcc reporting an internal error. Now that I've entered the FreeBSD world and am building everything from source, I would like to take advantage of that by compiling for my system. Does anyone have a similar system? And what CPUTYPE or local tuning do you recommend? I have CPU: VIA C3 Samuel 2 (533.36-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = CentaurHauls Id = 0x673 Stepping = 3 Features=0x803035FPU,DE,TSC,MSR,MTRR,PGE,MMX real memory = 528416768 (503 MB) running FreeBSD 6.2 without problems. The key here is NOT to set CPUTYPE in /etc/make.conf. Just use the defaults and you're fine. A dmesg for the system is available at http://ntp0.goldmark.org/temp/dmesg Cheers, -j -- Jeffrey Goldberghttp://www.goldmark.org/jeff/ Regards, -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ As cpghost said, there is no big difference when you make an optimization for the time being. You can also check http://gentoo-wiki.com/Safe_Cflags and see what cflag you can use with it. -- Regards, -Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri Arab Portal http://www.WeArab.Net/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
SUMMARY: CPUTYPE for VIA EPIA M-Series Mini-ITX
[mailed, posted and bcc'ed to off list respondents]
First let me quote my original query:
I have one of these
CPU: VIA C3 Nehemiah (999.52-MHz 686-class CPU)
Origin = CentaurHauls Id = 0x691 Stepping = 1
Features=0x380b035FPU,DE,TSC,MSR,MTRR,PGE,CMOV,MMX,FXSR,SSE
http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/mainboards/motherboards.jsp?
motherboard_id=81
And 6.2-RELEASE p2
When I set CPUTYPE=c3 in /etc/make.conf the world seemed to build
just fine, but (at least) gcc ended up broken. Most compiling
attempts after that ended up with gcc reporting an internal error.
Now that I've entered the FreeBSD world and am building everything
from source, I would like to take advantage of that by compiling
for my system.
Does anyone have a similar system? And what CPUTYPE or local
tuning do you recommend?
A dmesg for the system is available at
http://ntp0.goldmark.org/temp/dmesg
I've had two responses telling me that the make.conf defaults are
just fine, and two (one off list) recommending i686/pentiumpro. One
for pentiumpro and the other for i686, but as Andreas Rudish
helpfully pointed out, those two are probably the same thing. No one
suggested using c3. In fact, cpghost emphatically stated not to use
C3 in make.conf
Adbullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri also helpfully directed me for
information about safe CFLAGS to
http://gentoo-wiki.com/Safe_Cflags
where the entry for the Via Nehemiah says:
==
Nehemiah (C5XL)/C5P (Via)
CHOST=i686-pc-linux-gnu
CFLAGS=-march=i686 -msse -mmmx -O2 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer
CXXFLAGS=${CFLAGS}
note: The more recent versions of the C3 do support the cmov
instruction and hence -march=i686. If you must be compatible with all
VIA C3 versions, do not use the settings in this section.
note: it is also possible to use -march=c3-2. -- Comment to this:
I got a problem compiler can't create executables with this setting.
note: I had much better luck with -Os than with -O2. The cache on the
nehemiah chips is really small, so making the executables small helps
more than anything else.
==
The off list response added
- Setting CPUTYPE to pentium, or pentiumpro both work fine. IIRC,
the C3 designation is Linux-specific and doesn't exist for
FreeBSD.
If everybody agrees that the c3 designation is unwise to use, then
probably the distributed
/usr/share/examples/etc/make.conf
The off list responded gave extremely helpful and detailed
information about trimming the kernel for a similar box. I've
already done most of what that recommends.
In sum, don't use the c3 specification in /etc/make.conf even though
the example would suggested otherwise.
Thanks all for your help
-j
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Re: SUMMARY: CPUTYPE for VIA EPIA M-Series Mini-ITX
Jeffrey Goldberg wrote:
[mailed, posted and bcc'ed to off list respondents]
First let me quote my original query:
I have one of these
CPU: VIA C3 Nehemiah (999.52-MHz 686-class CPU)
Origin = CentaurHauls Id = 0x691 Stepping = 1
Features=0x380b035FPU,DE,TSC,MSR,MTRR,PGE,CMOV,MMX,FXSR,SSE
http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/mainboards/motherboards.jsp?motherboard_id=81
And 6.2-RELEASE p2
When I set CPUTYPE=c3 in /etc/make.conf the world seemed to build just
fine, but (at least) gcc ended up broken. Most compiling attempts
after that ended up with gcc reporting an internal error.
Now that I've entered the FreeBSD world and am building everything
from source, I would like to take advantage of that by compiling for
my system.
Does anyone have a similar system? And what CPUTYPE or local tuning
do you recommend?
A dmesg for the system is available at
http://ntp0.goldmark.org/temp/dmesg
I've had two responses telling me that the make.conf defaults are just
fine, and two (one off list) recommending i686/pentiumpro. One for
pentiumpro and the other for i686, but as Andreas Rudish helpfully
pointed out, those two are probably the same thing. No one suggested
using c3. In fact, cpghost emphatically stated not to use C3 in make.conf
Adbullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri also helpfully directed me for information
about safe CFLAGS to
http://gentoo-wiki.com/Safe_Cflags
where the entry for the Via Nehemiah says:
==
Nehemiah (C5XL)/C5P (Via)
CHOST=i686-pc-linux-gnu
CFLAGS=-march=i686 -msse -mmmx -O2 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer
CXXFLAGS=${CFLAGS}
note: The more recent versions of the C3 do support the cmov instruction
and hence -march=i686. If you must be compatible with all VIA C3
versions, do not use the settings in this section.
note: it is also possible to use -march=c3-2. -- Comment to this: I
got a problem compiler can't create executables with this setting.
note: I had much better luck with -Os than with -O2. The cache on the
nehemiah chips is really small, so making the executables small helps
more than anything else.
==
The off list response added
- Setting CPUTYPE to pentium, or pentiumpro both work fine. IIRC,
the C3 designation is Linux-specific and doesn't exist for
FreeBSD.
If everybody agrees that the c3 designation is unwise to use, then
probably the distributed
/usr/share/examples/etc/make.conf
The off list responded gave extremely helpful and detailed information
about trimming the kernel for a similar box. I've already done most of
what that recommends.
In sum, don't use the c3 specification in /etc/make.conf even though the
example would suggested otherwise.
Thanks all for your help
-j
Indeed. After reading a mock up of the processor is appears that it's an
Intel 686 clone. See:
http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/roundupmobo/via-c3-nehemiah.html
(it's a bit old for an article, so I hope you don't mind the dust :)..).
-Garrett
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CPUTYPE for VIA EPIA M-Series Mini-ITX
I have one of these CPU: VIA C3 Nehemiah (999.52-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = CentaurHauls Id = 0x691 Stepping = 1 Features=0x380b035FPU,DE,TSC,MSR,MTRR,PGE,CMOV,MMX,FXSR,SSE http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/mainboards/motherboards.jsp? motherboard_id=81 And 6.2-RELEASE p2 When I set CPUTYPE=c3 in /etc/make.conf the world seemed to build just fine, but (at least) gcc ended up broken. Most compiling attempts after that ended up with gcc reporting an internal error. Now that I've entered the FreeBSD world and am building everything from source, I would like to take advantage of that by compiling for my system. Does anyone have a similar system? And what CPUTYPE or local tuning do you recommend? A dmesg for the system is available at http://ntp0.goldmark.org/temp/dmesg Cheers, -j -- Jeffrey Goldberghttp://www.goldmark.org/jeff/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD on Mini-ITX has web page latency
Bob McIsaac [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Usability studies say that a person won't wait more than 4 seconds for a web page download. FreeBSD using Konqueor or Lynx takes more than 10 seconds. This is puzzling since ftp transfers at 400kbs, pings of freebsd.org take 80ms, and top shows CPU is 93% idle. I take it, then, that FreeBSD is the web client, not the server? Have you checked for whether the delays are being caused by name service, before the HTTP session is even started? This is for a EPIA-CN13 mini-itx with .5gb memory. http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/mainboards/motherboards.jsp?motherboard_id=400 Via says it works with Windows and Linux. It worked well for me using Mepis Linux. Note the message log sees a VT6102 LAN but the board has a 6103. Perhaps that explains the problem. Otherwise, it must be a protocol issue. A similarly identified interface works okay for me on my Via C3 board. Admittedly, they are lousy chips, but you should't notice for most purposes. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD on Mini-ITX has web page latency
Well, it seems that the driver and the hardware works so there must be a problem in the generic part of the software. There are plenty of tools for networking analysis but I am not a networking adept. So I will carefully repeat the install. Thanks. -Bob- BTW, my other computer is a Biostar Ideq SFF with Via chipsets. FreeBSD reports a 6102 ethernet but cannot map the interrupt. Instead it wants to emulate ethernet on FireWire. But that is for another day. :-) Lowell Gilbert wrote: Bob McIsaac [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: FreeBSD using Konqueor or Lynx takes more than 10 seconds. This is puzzling since ftp transfers at 400kbs, pings of freebsd.org take 80ms, and top shows CPU is 93% idle. I take it, then, that FreeBSD is the web client, not the server? Have you checked for whether the delays are being caused by name service, before the HTTP session is even started? This is for a EPIA-CN13 mini-itx with .5gb memory. Note the message log sees a VT6102 LAN but the board has a 6103. Perhaps that explains the problem. Otherwise, it must be a protocol issue. A similarly identified interface works okay for me on my Via C3 board. Admittedly, they are lousy chips, but you should't notice for most purposes. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD on Mini-ITX has web page latency
Don't top-post, please. bobmc [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, it seems that the driver and the hardware works so there must be a problem in the generic part of the software. There are plenty of tools for networking analysis but I am not a networking adept. So I will carefully repeat the install. Thanks. -Bob- In that case, definitely try 6.2... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FreeBSD on Mini-ITX has web page latency
Hi: Usability studies say that a person won't wait more than 4 seconds for a web page download. FreeBSD using Konqueor or Lynx takes more than 10 seconds. This is puzzling since ftp transfers at 400kbs, pings of freebsd.org take 80ms, and top shows CPU is 93% idle. This is for a EPIA-CN13 mini-itx with .5gb memory. http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/mainboards/motherboards.jsp?motherboard_id=400 Via says it works with Windows and Linux. It worked well for me using Mepis Linux. Note the message log sees a VT6102 LAN but the board has a 6103. Perhaps that explains the problem. Otherwise, it must be a protocol issue. Any suggestions would be welcome regards, -Bob- k: FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE #0: Sun May 7 04:32:43 UTC 2006 k: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC k: Timecounter i8254 frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 k: CPU: VIA/IDT Unknown (998.51-MHz 686-class CPU) k: Origin = CentaurHauls Id = 0x6a9 Stepping = 9 k: Features=0xa7c9b8ffFPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,SEP,MTRR,PGE,CMOV,PAT,CLFLUSH,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,TM,PBE k: Features2=0x181SSE3,EST,TM2 k: real memory = 469696512 (447 MB) k: avail memory = 450207744 (429 MB) k: kbd1 at kbdmux0 k: acpi0: P4M80P AWRDACPI on motherboard k: acpi0: Power Button (fixed) k: Timecounter ACPI-fast frequency 3579545 Hz quality 1000 k: acpi_timer0: 24-bit timer at 3.579545MHz port 0x408-0x40b on acpi0 k: cpu0: ACPI CPU on acpi0 k: acpi_perf0: ACPI CPU Frequency Control on cpu0 k: acpi_throttle0: ACPI CPU Throttling on cpu0 k: acpi_button0: Power Button on acpi0 k: acpi_button1: Sleep Button on acpi0 k: pcib0: ACPI Host-PCI bridge port 0xcf8-0xcff on acpi0 k: pci_link2: BIOS IRQ 5 for 0.16.INTC is invalid k: pci_link2: BIOS IRQ 5 for 0.17.INTC is invalid k: pci0: ACPI PCI bus on pcib0 k: pcib1: PCI-PCI bridge at device 1.0 on pci0 k: pci1: PCI bus on pcib1 k: pci1: display, VGA at device 0.0 (no driver attached) k: atapci0: VIA 6420 SATA150 controller port 0xfc00-0xfc07,0xf800-0xf803,0xf400-0xf407,0xf000-0xf003,0xec00-0xec0f,0xe800-0xe8ff irq 11 at device 15.0 on pci0 k: ata2: ATA channel 0 on atapci0 k: ata3: ATA channel 1 on atapci0 k: atapci1: VIA 8237 UDMA133 controller port 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6,0x170-0x177,0x376,0xe400-0xe40f at device 15.1 on pci0 k: ata0: ATA channel 0 on atapci1 k: ata1: ATA channel 1 on atapci1 k: uhci0: VIA 83C572 USB controller port 0xe000-0xe01f irq 10 at device 16.0 on pci0 k: uhci0: [GIANT-LOCKED] k: usb0: VIA 83C572 USB controller on uhci0 k: usb0: USB revision 1.0 k: uhub0: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 k: uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered k: uhci1: VIA 83C572 USB controller port 0xdc00-0xdc1f irq 10 at device 16.1 on pci0 k: uhci1: [GIANT-LOCKED] k: usb1: VIA 83C572 USB controller on uhci1 k: usb1: USB revision 1.0 k: uhub1: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 k: uhub1: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered k: uhci2: VIA 83C572 USB controller port 0xd800-0xd81f irq 11 at device 16.2 on pci0 k: uhci2: [GIANT-LOCKED] k: usb2: VIA 83C572 USB controller on uhci2 k: usb2: USB revision 1.0 k: uhub2: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 k: uhub2: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered k: uhci3: VIA 83C572 USB controller port 0xd400-0xd41f irq 11 at device 16.3 on pci0 k: uhci3: [GIANT-LOCKED] k: usb3: VIA 83C572 USB controller on uhci3 k: usb3: USB revision 1.0 k: uhub3: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 k: uhub3: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered k: ehci0: VIA VT6202 USB 2.0 controller mem 0xfdfff000-0xfdfff0ff irq 9 at device 16.4 on pci0 k: ehci0: [GIANT-LOCKED] k: usb4: EHCI version 1.0 k: usb4: companion controllers, 2 ports each: usb0 usb1 usb2 usb3 k: usb4: VIA VT6202 USB 2.0 controller on ehci0 k: usb4: USB revision 2.0 k: uhub4: VIA EHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 2.00/1.00, addr 1 k: uhub4: 8 ports with 8 removable, self powered k: isab0: PCI-ISA bridge at device 17.0 on pci0 k: isa0: ISA bus on isab0 k: pcm0: VIA VT8237 port 0xd000-0xd0ff irq 9 at device 17.5 on pci0 k: pcm0: Unknown AC97 Codec (id = 0x56494182) k: pcm0: VIA DXS Enabled: DXS 4 / SGD 1 / REC 1 k: vr0: VIA VT6102 Rhine II 10/100BaseTX port 0xc800-0xc8ff mem 0xfdffe000-0xfdffe0ff irq 10 at device 18.0 on pci0 k: miibus0: MII bus on vr0 k: ukphy0: Generic IEEE 802.3u media interface on miibus0 k: ukphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto k: vr0: Ethernet address: 00:40:63:e6:41:ba k: sio0: 16550A-compatible COM port port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on acpi0 k: sio0: type 16550A k: ppc0: Standard parallel printer port port 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on acpi0 k: ppc0: Generic chipset (EPP/NIBBLE) in COMPATIBLE mode k: ppbus0: Parallel port bus on ppc0 k: plip0: PLIP network interface on ppbus0 k: lpt0: Printer on ppbus0 k: lpt0: Interrupt-driven port k: ppi0: Parallel I/O on ppbus0 k: atkbdc0: Keyboard controller (i8042) port 0x60,0x64 irq 1 on acpi0 k: atkbd0: AT Keyboard irq 1 on atkbdc0 k: kbd0 at atkbd0 k: atkbd0: [GIANT-LOCKED] k
Re: FreeBSD FAMP on a mini-itx/embedded platform
Nicolas Blais [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm looking to make a light FreeBSD-Apache-MySQL-PHP system out of a VIA EN 5000 system. It would replace my home file/web server which currently runs 24h/7d with a silent and energy-wise bundle. I did something similar ( http://be-well.ilk.org/~lowell/photos/2006/05.May/Epia/thumbnails.html ) and I'm quite happy with it. The one you are looking at it twice as fast and pulls about 40% less peak power. [It is *very* hard to get comparison numbers for power consumed by machines at idle, but take it for granted that it will be a fair amount less than peak.] I would also like to take advange of the C7 processor's Padlock feature (SSL encryption). I believe FreeBSD supports it? Yes. It may not be particularly speedy (at least, on my C3), but it keeps up with (at least) multiple megabits of traffic per second. Perhaps more important, it offloads the CPU to do other things at the same time. I'm not looking for 3D performance or the such for this file server, but I would expect it to atleast keep up with the current server network-wise. Are my expectations unfounded? I don't think so. Obviously, it depends on how sophisticated your web applications are, but in general, I would expect it to perform better than *any* PC-class machine did four years ago. sidenote: This would be my 7th BSD machine in the house (and this is not counting my Vmware guests!) :) I thought you were *replacing* an old machine with it? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FreeBSD FAMP on a mini-itx/embedded platform
Hi, I'm looking to make a light FreeBSD-Apache-MySQL-PHP system out of a VIA EN 5000 system. It would replace my home file/web server which currently runs 24h/7d with a silent and energy-wise bundle. I would also like to take advange of the C7 processor's Padlock feature (SSL encryption). I believe FreeBSD supports it? I'm not looking for 3D performance or the such for this file server, but I would expect it to atleast keep up with the current server network-wise. Are my expectations unfounded? Does anyone here run FreeBSD on a VIA EN system or other embedded C7-based machine? Thanks! Nicolas sidenote: This would be my 7th BSD machine in the house (and this is not counting my Vmware guests!) :) -- FreeBSD 7.0-CURRENT #12: Sat Dec 2 12:30:58 EST 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/CLK01A PGP? : http://www.clkroot.net/security/nb_root.asc pgpofF0C0kOw1.pgp Description: PGP signature
Anyone running FreeBSD 4.x or 5.x on a 'VIA EPIA PD' mini-ITX
Hi, Anyone running FreeBSD 4.x or 5.x on a 'VIA EPIA PD' mini-ITX I would be interested to see if you get the full chipset functionality, ie. both NIC's, IDE HD, VGA (X-Windows or just CLI), Audio, USB? How about the Digital IO section? They look very nice :-) http://www.viaembedded.com/product/4/8/epia_pdh.jpg Cheers, Paul Hamilton ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Anyone running FreeBSD 4.x or 5.x on a 'VIA EPIA PD' mini-ITX
On Sat, 2005-07-02 at 18:24 +0800, Paul Hamilton wrote: Hi, Anyone running FreeBSD 4.x or 5.x on a 'VIA EPIA PD' mini-ITX I would be interested to see if you get the full chipset functionality, ie. both NIC's, IDE HD, VGA (X-Windows or just CLI), Audio, USB? How about the Digital IO section? They look very nice :-) http://www.viaembedded.com/product/4/8/epia_pdh.jpg Cheers, Paul Hamilton Hi Paul, I use a VIA EPIA PD-1 as a small dsl- router / ftp / print / whatever-server for my LAN here at home running FreeBSD 5.4. The NICs, HDD, USB, CLI work fine. Audio and X-Windows should work too. (I have only tested this on an EPIA M-1, but there it worked without any problems. The onboard graphic chip is fast enough for most 2D application, but it was to slow for me to playback xvid/divx, but an additional PCI graphic card should solve this problem.) When transfering data via ftp I get about 10MB/s up/down. Make buildworld takes about two hours. All in all, it is a nice system and fits my needs. I like it. Andreas -- GnuPG key : 0xD25FCC81 | http://cyb.websimplex.de/pubkey.asc Fingerprint: D182 6F22 7EEC DD4C 0F6E 564C 691B 0372 D25F CC81 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
RE: Anyone running FreeBSD 4.x or 5.x on a 'VIA EPIA PD' mini-ITX
Cool! Thanks Andreas. I am thinking of using one for the same thing. Cheers, Paul -Original Message- From: Andreas Rudisch [mailto:cyb.@gmx.net] Sent: Sunday, 3 July 2005 3:29 AM To: Paul Hamilton Cc: 'Freebsd-Questions' Subject: Re: Anyone running FreeBSD 4.x or 5.x on a 'VIA EPIA PD' mini-ITX On Sat, 2005-07-02 at 18:24 +0800, Paul Hamilton wrote: Hi, Anyone running FreeBSD 4.x or 5.x on a 'VIA EPIA PD' mini-ITX I would be interested to see if you get the full chipset functionality, ie. both NIC's, IDE HD, VGA (X-Windows or just CLI), Audio, USB? How about the Digital IO section? They look very nice :-) http://www.viaembedded.com/product/4/8/epia_pdh.jpg Cheers, Paul Hamilton Hi Paul, I use a VIA EPIA PD-1 as a small dsl- router / ftp / print / whatever-server for my LAN here at home running FreeBSD 5.4. The NICs, HDD, USB, CLI work fine. Audio and X-Windows should work too. (I have only tested this on an EPIA M-1, but there it worked without any problems. The onboard graphic chip is fast enough for most 2D application, but it was to slow for me to playback xvid/divx, but an additional PCI graphic card should solve this problem.) When transfering data via ftp I get about 10MB/s up/down. Make buildworld takes about two hours. All in all, it is a nice system and fits my needs. I like it. Andreas -- GnuPG key : 0xD25FCC81 | http://cyb.websimplex.de/pubkey.asc Fingerprint: D182 6F22 7EEC DD4C 0F6E 564C 691B 0372 D25F CC81 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD mini-ITX
On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 22:47:59 +0400 Dmitry Mityugov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/25/05, Z.C.B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 14:43:38 -0700 Benjamin Keating [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been eyeing up these mini-ITX boards - would like to make a quite little file server. Does anyone here run a mini-ITX board (what model)? Does it work out of the box? Anything not supported? I'd go for one of VIA's as AMD's and others are still a little new and pricey. Recommend a shop to purchase from (in the US)? I have a ASUS A7V400-MX. I use it for a router and it works rather nicely, but does run unusually hot for some reason. Got a 1.3GHz Durron in it and it runs at 64C idle, with the case open and a good heat sink. What heat sink, what model? Just in case I need to buy one. Just to know what to avoid. I forget what model it is, but is a nice all copper one with a 60mm fan on it. Not taken the time to fully look at it, but I suspect it is something in odd with that board possibly. I've never had that proc getting that hot in other boards before. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD mini-ITX
On 6/22/05, Benjamin Keating [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been eyeing up these mini-ITX boards - would like to make a quite little file server. Does anyone here run a mini-ITX board (what model)? Does it work out of the box? Anything not supported? I'd go for one of VIA's as AMD's and others are still a little new and pricey. Recommend a shop to purchase from (in the US)? You sure you don't want to stick with Micro and FlexATX form facters? They are cheap, plentifully, and come in any configuration you can think of compared to mini-ITX ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD mini-ITX
On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 14:43:38 -0700 Benjamin Keating [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been eyeing up these mini-ITX boards - would like to make a quite little file server. Does anyone here run a mini-ITX board (what model)? Does it work out of the box? Anything not supported? I'd go for one of VIA's as AMD's and others are still a little new and pricey. Recommend a shop to purchase from (in the US)? I have a ASUS A7V400-MX. I use it for a router and it works rather nicely, but does run unusually hot for some reason. Got a 1.3GHz Durron in it and it runs at 64C idle, with the case open and a good heat sink. As for a place to shop, I've found newegg.com to be nice. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD mini-ITX
On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 08:51:42 -0500 Z.C.B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 14:43:38 -0700 Benjamin Keating [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been eyeing up these mini-ITX boards - would like to make a quite little file server. Does anyone here run a mini-ITX board (what model)? Does it work out of the box? Anything not supported? I'd go for one of VIA's as AMD's and others are still a little new and pricey. Recommend a shop to purchase from (in the US)? I have a ASUS A7V400-MX. I use it for a router and it works rather nicely, but does run unusually hot for some reason. Got a 1.3GHz Durron in it and it runs at 64C idle, with the case open and a good heat sink. As for a place to shop, I've found newegg.com to be nice. N/M just noticed the question was about mini-itx, not micro-atx. ^_^ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD mini-ITX
On 6/25/05, Z.C.B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 14:43:38 -0700 Benjamin Keating [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been eyeing up these mini-ITX boards - would like to make a quite little file server. Does anyone here run a mini-ITX board (what model)? Does it work out of the box? Anything not supported? I'd go for one of VIA's as AMD's and others are still a little new and pricey. Recommend a shop to purchase from (in the US)? I have a ASUS A7V400-MX. I use it for a router and it works rather nicely, but does run unusually hot for some reason. Got a 1.3GHz Durron in it and it runs at 64C idle, with the case open and a good heat sink. What heat sink, what model? Just in case I need to buy one. Just to know what to avoid. -- Dmitry We live less by imagination than despite it - Rockwell Kent, N by E ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD mini-ITX
I've been eyeing up these mini-ITX boards - would like to make a quite little file server. Does anyone here run a mini-ITX board (what unless low performance (relative to CPU clocking) of periferals and memory isn't a problem for you all ITX boards should work. this lower end (800Mhz if i remember well) doesn't have cooler at all which is nice. but these VIA chipset is a bad thing. especially disk performance suffer. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD mini-ITX
Benjamin Keating wrote: I've been eyeing up these mini-ITX boards - would like to make a quite little file server. Does anyone here run a mini-ITX board (what model)? Does it work out of the box? Anything not supported? I'd go for one of VIA's as AMD's and others are still a little new and pricey. Recommend a shop to purchase from (in the US)? I bought a VIA EPIA CL1000 (now PD, dual NIC) and a Morex Cubid 3688 case one year ago from mini-itx.com. I installed FBSD 4.10 and later FBSD 5.3-5.4 with out any problems. I haven't installed X11, I don't see the point as it's a server remotely controled with ssh, and I don't have a spare monitor anyway. The only issues I have had are: 'halt -p' reboots instead of powerdown, so I had to 'halt' then powerdown manually. ACPI doesn't read cpu temperature. I use it at home as my mail/web/whatever server with a DSL connection, generally with a load of 0.00. The DSL limits the traffic so it simply can't get too much network load. I have had one problem that gave me some grey hairs, which I initially thought it to be MB or disk problem, but it turned out to be ip-filter rather than hardware. mini-itx.com reports noice of 25dB. The fans may produce that level of noice if they were not mounted. I found resonances causing the box to be quite noicy, in particular the cpu fan. You can buy some stuff to make the fan run slower and it helps. But what really helps is to reduce vibrations: Raise the cpu fan a bit from the cooler plates using some heat tolerable silicon, this makes the fan run more freely and transfers less resonances to the cooler plates and onto the MB. Also place the box on rubber feet so it won't pass on vibrations. I run my box with only the cpu fan, no others, the box is hot but it runs without problems. Cheers, Erik -- Ph: +34.666334818 web: http://www.locolomo.org S/MIME Certificate: http://www.locolomo.org/crt/2004071206.crt Subject ID: A9:76:7A:ED:06:95:2B:8D:48:97:CE:F2:3F:42:C8:F2:22:DE:4C:B9 Fingerprint: 4A:E8:63:38:46:F6:9A:5D:B4:DC:29:41:3F:62:D3:0A:73:25:67:C2 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FreeBSD mini-ITX
I've been eyeing up these mini-ITX boards - would like to make a quite little file server. Does anyone here run a mini-ITX board (what model)? Does it work out of the box? Anything not supported? I'd go for one of VIA's as AMD's and others are still a little new and pricey. Recommend a shop to purchase from (in the US)? Thanks! - bpk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD mini-ITX
On Jun 22, 2005, at 5:43 PM, Benjamin Keating wrote: I've been eyeing up these mini-ITX boards - would like to make a quite little file server. Does anyone here run a mini-ITX board (what model)? Does it work out of the box? Anything not supported? I'd go for one of VIA's as AMD's and others are still a little new and pricey. Recommend a shop to purchase from (in the US)? I've got a VIA EPIA-M1000, a 1GHz VIA CentaurHauls C3 and 512MB of RAM. It mostly worked out-of-the-box (in textmode only, I haven't really tried getting X11 to work with the integrated video). Firewire and USB ports worked well, the vr0 (VIA Rhine II?) NIC worked OK but seemed to get a little flakey under high load and would drop traffic. I'm not unhappy with the hardware, but it's reliability under load is questionable compared to a Soekris 4511 or a generic Dell/Compaq/HP/ whatever box. I'd probably get a Mac Mini instead if I had to redo the choice today. -- -Chuck ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD mini-ITX
Benjamin Keating wrote: I've been eyeing up these mini-ITX boards - would like to make a quite little file server. Does anyone here run a mini-ITX board (what model)? Does it work out of the box? Anything not supported? I'd go for one of VIA's as AMD's and others are still a little new and pricey. Recommend a shop to purchase from (in the US)? I've tried several of the VIA mini-itx boards (not with FreeBSD tho). Not bad. But: 1: cases aren't super plentiful and the nice ones aren't cheap 2: for a file server, I want gig-E, something not built on to the VIA boards, at least not since I've last checked (could be available now) 3: I think it actually ends up being cheaper to buy a little cube system w/ a standard AMD/Intel chip 4: Many of the cases for the via boards don't have multiple drive bays... since you mention file server, I assume you'd want to at least mirror 2 drives 5: for the price, you may just want to consider buying a USB-NAS adapter (Linksys and Dlink both have them) or getting a Buffalo Terrastation (or similar) and save yourself a lot of work assembling, etc. Of course, this assumes you only want to use the box as a fileserver. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD mini-ITX
On Wed, 2005-06-22 at 14:43 -0700, Benjamin Keating wrote: I've been eyeing up these mini-ITX boards - would like to make a quite little file server. Does anyone here run a mini-ITX board (what model)? Does it work out of the box? Anything not supported? I'd go for one of VIA's as AMD's and others are still a little new and pricey. Recommend a shop to purchase from (in the US)? Thanks! - bpk I have tested a Via EPIA M1 a while ago. X installed and worked fine, but the internal graphic was to slow to playback xvid-movies with mplayer, an external pci-graphic card should solve this. The soundchip was supported out of the box too. Right now I have a Via EPIA PD1 (with two 10/100MBit LAN adapters onboard) with 512MB RAM running as a home dsl router / gateway / print-/fileserver but only for a small amount of not important data with one harddisk drive. I am quite happy with it, since it get its job done and does not use much electricity. To give you an idea of its speed: a 'make buildworld' of FreeBSD 5.4 is done in about 2 hours. Andreas -- GnuPG key : 0xD25FCC81 | http://cyb.websimplex.de/pubkey.asc Fingerprint: D182 6F22 7EEC DD4C 0F6E 564C 691B 0372 D25F CC81 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Temperature Sensors on a Mini-ITX Board
Am Mittwoch, 6. April 2005 23:39 schrieb Andrew: Does anyone know how to read the temperature sensors on a VIA Mini-ITX board? I've tried xmbmon, lmmon and healthd but nothing seems to read it/them. I can't find anything under the dev sysctl hierachy either. I can't see anything relevant in dmesg apart from this perhaps: acpi0: VT9174 AWRDACPI on motherboard Have you modified your kernel to support monitoring devices? Since it 's VIA you can keep a closer look to these: device smbus # Bus support, required for smb below. device smb device iicbus device iicbb device iicsmb device viapm Maybe they're loadable modules, just a hint. -Harry Thanks, Andrew ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpG4HYloEXh6.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Temperature Sensors on a Mini-ITX Board
On Mon, 11 Apr 2005, Emanuel Strobl wrote: Have you modified your kernel to support monitoring devices? Since it 's VIA you can keep a closer look to these: device smbus # Bus support, required for smb below. device smb device iicbus device iicbb device iicsmb device viapm Maybe they're loadable modules, just a hint. Yep tried that. If I compile them in then I don't get ACPI at all (no hw.acpi sysctl tree and the associated errors at boot). Loading them after boot seems to have no effect. Thanks, Andrew ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Temperature Sensors on a Mini-ITX Board
Does anyone know how to read the temperature sensors on a VIA Mini-ITX board? I've tried xmbmon, lmmon and healthd but nothing seems to read it/them. I can't find anything under the dev sysctl hierachy either. I can't see anything relevant in dmesg apart from this perhaps: acpi0: VT9174 AWRDACPI on motherboard Thanks, Andrew ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mini-itx posting.
Greetings, I want to post some info on a mini-itx mobo I bought, so other users can benefit from that. can I post that to freebsd-questions@ ? If not what's the right list ? ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mini-itx posting.
borg wrote: Greetings, I want to post some info on a mini-itx mobo I bought, so other users can benefit from that. can I post that to freebsd-questions@ ? If not what's the right list ? My guess is it probably would be better to post to -hardware. http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hardware Good luck with the mini-itx. I plan on getting one in the very near future - ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mini-itx posting.
If would be fine by me if you posted it here. I'm very interested in getting one of these boxes, I would like to hear the experience of others. regards, Robert On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 23:30:58 -0700 (PDT) borg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings, I want to post some info on a mini-itx mobo I bought, so other users can benefit from that. can I post that to freebsd-questions@ ? If not what's the right list ? ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mini-itx posting.
Robert Storey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If would be fine by me if you posted it here. I'm very interested in getting one of these boxes, I would like to hear the experience of others. regards, Robert On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 23:30:58 -0700 (PDT) borg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings, I want to post some info on a mini-itx mobo I bought, so other users can benefit from that. can I post that to freebsd-questions@ ? If not what's the right list ? I don't think anyone would object to such a posting, however, if the information is extensive, it would be a good idea to post it on a web site somewhere, and simply post a link to the mailing list. -- Bill Moran Potential Technologies http://www.potentialtech.com ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mini-itx posting.
Bill Moran wrote: On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 23:30:58 -0700 (PDT) borg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings, I want to post some info on a mini-itx mobo I bought, so other users can benefit from that. can I post that to freebsd-questions@ ? If not what's the right list ? I don't think anyone would object to such a posting, however, if the information is extensive, it would be a good idea to post it on a web site somewhere, and simply post a link to the mailing list. And, IIRC, someone around here (not official Project though) has a pretty good site set up for evaluating the fitness and performance or motherboards for use with FreeBSD. Maybe search the archives, or Google ... it would definitely be good to get stuff like this into some www databases ... My $.02, Kevin Kinsey ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mini-itx posting.
Greetings, I was told freebsd-hardware@ is the appropriate place to such posting. It's in the archive now. In order not to waste more bandwidth here is the link: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-hardware/2004-September/001919.html Good luck, = UNIX, it's a way of life. ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mini-itx (ME6000), buildworld fails
Hi all, I'm trying to setup a Via Epia ME6000 with FreeBSD 4.10 after several attempts (cvsup, make buildworld, even fresh install from CD), I get _consistent_ failures. The same source-tree compiles without problems on a - Via Epia CL1 - Intel Pent.4 / Asus The ME6000 is supposed to run headless as embedded server. So I cross-compile on the fast(er) machines. Attempting to boot ME6000 results in: - show menu F1 to boot FreeBSD - BTX starts - and almost immediately crashes (illegal instruction - same as during buidlworld) with register dump Latest attempts: - Setup full FreeBSD on ME6000, make buildworld ... (The only package installed is cvsup-without-gui) I suspect settings in /etc/make.conf, but I have no idea where to start! (CPUTYPE=i686 commented out - but didn't help) Somewhere (in the depth of the forgotten in my brain ), I think, there was something about 4.10 and Compiler ... could this be a reason? And if so, what could I do? ME6000 dmesg: Copyright (c) 1992-2004 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 4.10-RELEASE #0: Tue May 25 22:47:12 GMT 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC Timecounter i8254 frequency 1193182 Hz CPU: VIA C3 Samuel 2 (599.90-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = CentaurHauls Id = 0x673 Stepping = 3 Features=0x803035FPU,DE,TSC,MSR,MTRR,PGE,MMX real memory = 117374976 (114624K bytes) avail memory = 108744704 (106196K bytes) Preloaded elf kernel kernel at 0xc0551000. md0: Malloc disk ME6000 cvsup-file: *default host=cvsup.at.freebsd.org #*default host=cvsup4.de.freebsd.org # *default base=/usr *default prefix=/usr # The following line is for 4-stable. If you want 3-stable or 2.2-stable, # change RELENG_4 to RELENG_3 or RELENG_2_2 respectively. *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_4_10 *default delete use-rel-suffix *default compress src-all ME6000 /etc/make.conf CPUTYPE=i586 CPUTYPE=i686 ... BOOTWAIT=0 ... USA_RESIDENT=NO IPFW2=true ... (plus some settings for PACKAGESITE and similar) ME6000 from script make buildworld: cc -O -pipe -march=pentiumpro -I. -static -DIN_GCC -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -DPREFIX=\/usr\ -I/usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools/../cc_tools -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools/../cc_tools -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools/../../../../contrib/gcc -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools /../../../../contrib/gcc/config-D__FBSDID=__RCSID -c /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools/../../../../contrib/gcc/genconfig.c^M cc -O -pipe -march=pentiumpro -I. -static -DIN_GCC -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -DPREFIX=\/usr\ -I/usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools/../cc_tools -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools/../cc_tools -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools/../../../../contrib/gcc -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools /../../../../contrib/gcc/config-D__FBSDID=__RCSID -o genconfig genconfig.o rtl.o print-rtl.o obstack.o bitmap.o^M ./genattr /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools/../../../../contrib/gcc/config/i386/i386.md insn-attr.h^M Illegal instruction (core dumped)^M *** Error code 132^M ^M Stop in /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools.^M *** Error code 1^M ^M Stop in /usr/src.^M *** Error code 1^M ^M Stop in /usr/src.^M *** Error code 1^M ^M Stop in /usr/src.^M ep1(root) src ^D^H^Hexit^M Script done on Sat Jul 24 01:27:20 2004 -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Richard Kästner EDV-Beratung Woerthgasse 17 2500 Baden Austria ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mini-itx (ME6000), buildworld fails
On Sat, Jul 24, 2004 at 02:15:41PM +0200, Richard Kaestner wrote: I suspect settings in /etc/make.conf, but I have no idea where to start! (CPUTYPE=i686 commented out - but didn't help) The VIA CPUs are not completely i686 compatible, so in your Kernel-Config you should have an I586_CPU entry: machine i386 cpu I586_CPU cpu I686_CPU ident ME6000 ... ME6000 /etc/make.conf CPUTYPE=i586 CPUTYPE=i686 The second entry overwrites the first one. I wouldn't set this variable at all on a VIA Epia/Eden, but it should work if you delete the i686 and keep the i586. cu, Uwe ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mini-itx (ME6000), buildworld fails
On Saturday 24 July 2004 15:06, Uwe Laverenz wrote: On Sat, Jul 24, 2004 at 02:15:41PM +0200, Richard Kaestner wrote: I suspect settings in /etc/make.conf, but I have no idea where to start! (CPUTYPE=i686 commented out - but didn't help) The VIA CPUs are not completely i686 compatible, so in your Kernel-Config you should have an I586_CPU entry: machine i386 cpu I586_CPU cpu I686_CPU ident ME6000 ... ME6000 /etc/make.conf CPUTYPE=i586 CPUTYPE=i686 The second entry overwrites the first one. I wouldn't set this variable at all on a VIA Epia/Eden, but it should work if you delete the i686 and keep the i586. cu, Uwe Danke fuer die Info! Thanks for the Info - english list ;=) already giving it another try - wait and see what comes out -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Richard Kästner EDV-Beratung Woerthgasse 17 2500 Baden Austria ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mini itx
On Wed, 30 Jun 2004, arden wrote: im collecting some bits to start a mini itx project http://www.mini-itx.com/projects.asp i have the need for a small silent pc considered http://soekris.com/ ?? ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- rich plishka [EMAIL PROTECTED] computing sciences dept. phone: (570) 941-6111 university of scrantonfax: (570) 941-4250 scranton, pa 18510www.cs.scranton.edu/~plishka ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mini itx
arden [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: im collecting some bits to start a mini itx project http://www.mini-itx.com/projects.asp i have the need for a small silent pc has anyone used these boards with bds? I'm using an EPIA 6000 as a workstation in the kitchen. I boot FreeBSD-5.2 diskless so it's silent. Since there is no disk heat, I can also unplug the CPU fan. Totally silent. Very nice. Not a speed demon, but plenty fast for surfing and such. I'll probably do the same for the next machine I buy for my office: I find it a lot easier to code and think without fan and disk noise. (The server's in the basement with a bunch of RAID disk). I had X11 working on the built-in chipset with an older snapshot port, but the recent one doesn't work for me. I haven't tried heavy duty multimedia stuff nor decss and such on it. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mini itx
Personally I'm using an EPIA CL6000 as headless fileserver at the moment without any problems. No problems with 5.2, allthough with stable 4.8 and 4.9(haven't tried 4.10) I had some problems with the onboard LAN cards when transfering large amounts of data. (Vr0 Watchdog timeouts) allthough, since I use it as an headless I can't really verify that the videocard works. Those nettworking problems that I had has gone away in 5.2-Current and hopefuly they won't come back. Heikki Soerum. On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 07:02:48 +0200 Kjell Midtseter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 30 Jun 2004 at 23:30, arden wrote: im collecting some bits to start a mini itx project http://www.mini-itx.com/projects.asp i have the need for a small silent pc has anyone used these boards with bds? I am using the MII 6000 and M1 boards, and they work fine. But there are no support for the graphics chipset, so you can not run an X server (yet) Kjell ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Throughout history it has been the inaction of those who could have acted, the indifference of those who should have known better, the silence of the voice of justice when it mattered most, that has made it possible for evil to triumph. - Haile Selassie ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mini itx
On Wed, Jun 30, 2004 at 11:30:27PM +0100, arden wrote: has anyone used these boards with bds? using a via epia cl6000e with 5.2.1, it's running my home firewall and mailserver, no problems so far. hth, toni -- Wer es einmal so weit gebracht hat, dass er nicht | toni at stderror dot at mehr irrt, der hat auch zu arbeiten aufgehoert| Toni Schmidbauer -- Max Planck | pgpyiaYYoYqAb.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: mini itx
On Wed, Jun 30, 2004 at 11:30:27PM +0100, arden wrote: has anyone used these boards with bds? using a via epia cl6000e with 5.2.1, it's running my home firewall and mailserver, no problems so far. hth, toni -- Wer es einmal so weit gebracht hat, dass er nicht | toni at stderror dot at mehr irrt, der hat auch zu arbeiten aufgehoert| Toni Schmidbauer -- Max Planck | I was using an epia M1000 for my main webserver until it died With the hard drive controller reporting my disk as -68 megs. Also some of the capacitors were leaking. Noticed that Perl would regularly signal 10 while scanning mail messages For virii. Its on RMA now. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.713 / Virus Database: 469 - Release Date: 6/30/2004 ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mini itx
im collecting some bits to start a mini itx project http://www.mini-itx.com/projects.asp i have the need for a small silent pc has anyone used these boards with bds? also is decss in the ports? arden ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mini itx
arden wrote: also is decss in the ports? Yes. To find it, and any other port: http://www.freebsd.org/ports/ and search for decss (or whatever else you'll be looking for) -- Aaron [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mini itx
arden wrote: im collecting some bits to start a mini itx project http://www.mini-itx.com/projects.asp i have the need for a small silent pc has anyone used these boards with bds? I've got an m10k sitting next to me with 5.1 on, runs fine :) If you're looking for silent the hush range is a good but slightly more expensive option, ignore the travlar cases as while they are good cases the inbuilt psu is cooled by a 60mm fan and it makes a fair noise so you'd need to swap it out :) - Mike Woods IT Technician ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mini itx
Hi arden, has anyone used these boards with bds? I've used 4.8 on a ME6000 without problems (it's running as a router at a client) and experienced sudden reboots/lockups with 4.9/4.10 on a V1. I've since switched to OpenBSD 3.5 on that board and the problems went away. HTH... Nico ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mini itx
On 30 Jun 2004 at 23:30, arden wrote: im collecting some bits to start a mini itx project http://www.mini-itx.com/projects.asp i have the need for a small silent pc has anyone used these boards with bds? I am using the MII 6000 and M1 boards, and they work fine. But there are no support for the graphics chipset, so you can not run an X server (yet) Kjell ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: VIA Tech Mini-ITX
On Friday 26 December 2003 22:39, Marc Wiz wrote: On Fri, Dec 26, 2003 at 10:06:43PM +0100, Harald Schmalzbauer wrote: Content-Description: signed data On Friday 26 December 2003 21:59, Anclo wrote: I'm considering to build a small VIA Tech Mini-ITX system using the C3 800 MHz motherboard/CPU or the Eden 533 MHz. This box would serve as a gateway/router. Has anyone have experience with VIA Tech Mini-ITX motherboards? I'd like to use it to run 4.9-RELEASE. Any advice would be appreciated - I'd hate to find out that there is no FreeBSD driver for the built-in network card... I'm using a older C3 800 miniITX without any problem. AFAIK even the latest miniITX has the VIA Rhine chipset for ethernet. Also the PLE266 should work, but of course you cannot use the mpeg2 decoder. Don't know any OS which could make use of it. There are patches for Linux to use the hardware MPEG-2 decoder. Check out http://www.linitx.org I have the board with the 1 Ghz chip but haven't tried FreeBSD yet. works fine - X gives (still) some problems Marc -- Mit freundliche Gruessen Richard Kaestner mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
VIA Tech Mini-ITX
I'm considering to build a small VIA Tech Mini-ITX system using the C3 800 MHz motherboard/CPU or the Eden 533 MHz. This box would serve as a gateway/router. Has anyone have experience with VIA Tech Mini-ITX motherboards? I'd like to use it to run 4.9-RELEASE. Any advice would be appreciated - I'd hate to find out that there is no FreeBSD driver for the built-in network card... Anclo - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: VIA Tech Mini-ITX
On Friday 26 December 2003 21:59, Anclo wrote: I'm considering to build a small VIA Tech Mini-ITX system using the C3 800 MHz motherboard/CPU or the Eden 533 MHz. This box would serve as a gateway/router. Has anyone have experience with VIA Tech Mini-ITX motherboards? I'd like to use it to run 4.9-RELEASE. Any advice would be appreciated - I'd hate to find out that there is no FreeBSD driver for the built-in network card... I'm using a older C3 800 miniITX without any problem. AFAIK even the latest miniITX has the VIA Rhine chipset for ethernet. Also the PLE266 should work, but of course you cannot use the mpeg2 decoder. Don't know any OS which could make use of it. -Harry Anclo - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp0.pgp Description: signature
Re: VIA Tech Mini-ITX
On Fri, Dec 26, 2003 at 10:06:43PM +0100, Harald Schmalzbauer wrote: Content-Description: signed data On Friday 26 December 2003 21:59, Anclo wrote: I'm considering to build a small VIA Tech Mini-ITX system using the C3 800 MHz motherboard/CPU or the Eden 533 MHz. This box would serve as a gateway/router. Has anyone have experience with VIA Tech Mini-ITX motherboards? I'd like to use it to run 4.9-RELEASE. Any advice would be appreciated - I'd hate to find out that there is no FreeBSD driver for the built-in network card... I'm using a older C3 800 miniITX without any problem. AFAIK even the latest miniITX has the VIA Rhine chipset for ethernet. Also the PLE266 should work, but of course you cannot use the mpeg2 decoder. Don't know any OS which could make use of it. There are patches for Linux to use the hardware MPEG-2 decoder. Check out http://www.linitx.org I have the board with the 1 Ghz chip but haven't tried FreeBSD yet. Marc -- Marc Wiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes, that really is my last name. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: VIA Tech Mini-ITX
At 04:06 PM 12/26/2003, you wrote: On Friday 26 December 2003 21:59, Anclo wrote: I'm considering to build a small VIA Tech Mini-ITX system using the C3 800 MHz motherboard/CPU or the Eden 533 MHz. This box would serve as a gateway/router. Has anyone have experience with VIA Tech Mini-ITX motherboards? I'd like to use it to run 4.9-RELEASE. Any advice would be appreciated - I'd hate to find out that there is no FreeBSD driver for the built-in network card... I'm using a older C3 800 miniITX without any problem. AFAIK even the latest miniITX has the VIA Rhine chipset for ethernet. Also the PLE266 should work, but of course you cannot use the mpeg2 decoder. Don't know any OS which could make use of it. -Harry Harry, many thanx - my 10 year old system which I just set up as gateway has expired and I figured that a C3 800 would be a relatively inexpensive replacement. Just curious - what driver does your system say it uses for the C3 800 miniITX's NIC? Anclo ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: VIA Tech Mini-ITX
On Friday 26 December 2003 22:39, Anclo wrote: At 04:06 PM 12/26/2003, you wrote: On Friday 26 December 2003 21:59, Anclo wrote: I'm considering to build a small VIA Tech Mini-ITX system using the C3 800 MHz motherboard/CPU or the Eden 533 MHz. This box would serve as a gateway/router. Has anyone have experience with VIA Tech Mini-ITX motherboards? I'd like to use it to run 4.9-RELEASE. Any advice would be appreciated - I'd hate to find out that there is no FreeBSD driver for the built-in network card... I'm using a older C3 800 miniITX without any problem. AFAIK even the latest miniITX has the VIA Rhine chipset for ethernet. Also the PLE266 should work, but of course you cannot use the mpeg2 decoder. Don't know any OS which could make use of it. -Harry Harry, many thanx - my 10 year old system which I just set up as gateway has expired and I figured that a C3 800 would be a relatively inexpensive replacement. Just curious - what driver does your system say it uses for the C3 800 miniITX's NIC? You can watch the dmesg at http://www.schmalzbauer.de/netz It's machine tek -Harry P.S. I heard that there is linux development for the mpeg2 decoder but didn't know that it's yet available. Good to hear :) Anclo pgp0.pgp Description: signature
Re: VIA Tech Mini-ITX
http://www.gctglobal.com/Products/Set_Top_Box/STB1030_3036/ stb1030_3036.html i use this with 256mb flash w/4.8 and 4.9. works great. On Dec 26, 2003, at 1:06 PM, Harald Schmalzbauer wrote: On Friday 26 December 2003 21:59, Anclo wrote: I'm considering to build a small VIA Tech Mini-ITX system using the C3 800 MHz motherboard/CPU or the Eden 533 MHz. This box would serve as a gateway/router. Has anyone have experience with VIA Tech Mini-ITX motherboards? I'd like to use it to run 4.9-RELEASE. Any advice would be appreciated - I'd hate to find out that there is no FreeBSD driver for the built-in network card... I'm using a older C3 800 miniITX without any problem. AFAIK even the latest miniITX has the VIA Rhine chipset for ethernet. Also the PLE266 should work, but of course you cannot use the mpeg2 decoder. Don't know any OS which could make use of it. -Harry Anclo - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mini ITX via and C3 processor
Has anyone tried one of the via Mini-ITX Form Factor boards with freebsd??? http://www.idot.com/TheStore/Desktop/718Spec.asp?Product.id=718Cate.id=5Pr oduct.status=green Aaron To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: mini ITX via and C3 processor
Hi! I havent tried the exact same board, but I have installed freebsd 4.4 on other boards with C3 CPU on it. I have also used the cubePC (shown on the site) with Freebsd 4.3 on it. I dont recollect any problems that I have faced while loading freebsd. -Pranav *** Pranav A. Desai On Wed, 29 Jan 2003, Aaron wrote: Has anyone tried one of the via Mini-ITX Form Factor boards with freebsd??? http://www.idot.com/TheStore/Desktop/718Spec.asp?Product.id=718Cate.id=5Pr oduct.status=green Aaron To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
