Re: newbie mail help
> - Original Message - > From: "John Bleichert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Gary Schenk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 9:41 PM > Subject: Re: newbie mail help > > > On Wed, 22 Jan 2003, Gary Schenk wrote: > > > > I've used lots of email clients and Pine is my favorite. However, I had > the same problem you are. First I solved it by setting up postfix to do > it for me (fix the return address). Then I found I could specify the > headers in the pine configuration. Go to the setup section of pine (while > it's running) and setup up headers as I did: > > customized-hdrs = Reply-To: John Bleichert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >From: John Bleichert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > That should clear it up. As I said earlier in this email chain, to just > plain old 'get going' with email in Unix it's best to use e.g. Netscape > or Mozilla mail or kmail as they work like the usual email clients. Most > other Unix clients rely on the system mail to function properly which can > make them tuff to set up if say your username on the box doesnt match > that at your ISP. > > Hope that helps. I don't know balsa, never used it, but in my first > several years in Linux/BSD I clung to my Netscape email like a liferaft > :) > > JB > > # John Bleichert > # http://vonbek.dhs.org/latest.jpg OK, I stopped being so mule-headed and when doing a fresh install, setup KDE this time. As John suggested (twice!) kmail is working great. Setting it up was quick and easy. No sendmail needed or fetchmail. This is great. Thanks to all in the group for helping. @^_^@ <-- one happy former Outlook Express user I will try to setup Pine for mail with postfix at sometime. Anyone have any suggestions for a newsreader for KDE? Gary To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
Re: newbie mail help
On Wed, 22 Jan 2003, Gary Schenk wrote: > > Mike has suggested that Pine does not need fetchmail. That makes sense. In > the Pine man pages it says c-client is used to access mail severs. I cannot > find help for c-client. Nor do I find a place to tell Pine about my ISP's > pop3 server. In chapter 25 of FreeBSD Unleashed it states that fetchmail is > needed for mutt and Pine. > > I chose to install Pine because I believed it to be a beginner's program. I > tried to setup Balsa, and no matter what I place in the settings preferences > I can't get it to work either. It seems a simple problem. I have mail on my > ISP's pop3 server. I want to retrieve it and read it. "Get this there and > bring it here". It seems simple, but how do I tell FreeBSD to do this? > > This is incredibly frustrating. Not just for me, I've gotten email from > another beginner who can't get his mail to work either. Perhaps this is a > question for the documentation project? > > Gary > I've used lots of email clients and Pine is my favorite. However, I had the same problem you are. First I solved it by setting up postfix to do it for me (fix the return address). Then I found I could specify the headers in the pine configuration. Go to the setup section of pine (while it's running) and setup up headers as I did: customized-hdrs = Reply-To: John Bleichert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> From: John Bleichert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> That should clear it up. As I said earlier in this email chain, to just plain old 'get going' with email in Unix it's best to use e.g. Netscape or Mozilla mail or kmail as they work like the usual email clients. Most other Unix clients rely on the system mail to function properly which can make them tuff to set up if say your username on the box doesnt match that at your ISP. Hope that helps. I don't know balsa, never used it, but in my first several years in Linux/BSD I clung to my Netscape email like a liferaft :) JB # John Bleichert # http://vonbek.dhs.org/latest.jpg To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
Re: newbie mail help
- Original Message - From: "Giorgos Keramidas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gary Schenk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 4:53 AM Subject: Re: newbie mail help First, thanks to Mike, Giorgos, Scott and others for trying to help. > On 2003-01-20 16:32, Gary Schenk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I am attempting to use Pine with fetchmail and sendmail over a cable > > modem to my ISP. > > > > There is some basic setting that I am unaware of. I now can send > > mail and newsgroup messages out over the internet, but the return > > address is incorrect. It uses my pc account login ID, gschenk, as > > the left side of my address instead of my ISP account name of > > gwschenk. Where is this configured? It doesn't seem to be setup in > > .pinerc or .fetchmailrc. Is it in sendmail somewhere? > > You should add (or mofidy appropriately) the following to your > .pinerc file: > > feature-list=allow-changing-from > default-composer-hdrs=From: Giorgos Keramidas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > To:, > Cc:, > Bcc:, > Attchmnt:, > Subject: > Did that. When I send test mail Pine still gives the wrong return address. > The allow-changing-from feature allows editing of the From: header for > all outgoing messages when enabled, and the default-composer-hdrs sets > some of the headers for your outgoing messages to reasonable defaults. > > > How do I know I have a port 25? > > How do I know it is listening at port 25? > > Use sockstat(1). > > $ sockstat -l4 | grep :25 > root sendmail 445 4 tcp4 *:25 *:* Yes, sendamil is listening on port 25. Mike has suggested that Pine does not need fetchmail. That makes sense. In the Pine man pages it says c-client is used to access mail severs. I cannot find help for c-client. Nor do I find a place to tell Pine about my ISP's pop3 server. In chapter 25 of FreeBSD Unleashed it states that fetchmail is needed for mutt and Pine. I chose to install Pine because I believed it to be a beginner's program. I tried to setup Balsa, and no matter what I place in the settings preferences I can't get it to work either. It seems a simple problem. I have mail on my ISP's pop3 server. I want to retrieve it and read it. "Get this there and bring it here". It seems simple, but how do I tell FreeBSD to do this? This is incredibly frustrating. Not just for me, I've gotten email from another beginner who can't get his mail to work either. Perhaps this is a question for the documentation project? Gary To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
Re: newbie mail help
In <002b01c2c0e4$880c9e40$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Gary Schenk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> typed: > I am attempting to use Pine with fetchmail and sendmail over a cable modem > to my ISP. I can't help with pine. Hopefully, someone else will tell you how to configure pine's username. > The fetchmail man page says that sendmail needs to be listening on port 25. You don't really need fetchmail just to read mail from the POP server at your ISP. You should be able to tell pine to just go to the POP server to get the mail. > When I run the output is: > root 102 0.0 1.8 2760 2196 ?? Ss 2:45PM 0:00.14 sendmail: accepting > connections (sendmail) > smmsp 105 0.0 1.7 2660 2180 ?? Is 2:45PM 0:00.01 sendmail: Queue > runner@00:30:00 for /var/spool/clientmqueue (sendmai > Shouldn't it indicate port 25 somewhere? How do I know I have a port 25? How > do I know it is listening at port 25? No, it shouldn't indicate port 25, because that's the standard port for mail connections. There are a number of ways to check for port 25. One is "netstat -na | grep 25" and look for a line that looks like tcp4 0 0 *.25 *.*LISTEN Or you can do "netstat -a | grep smtp" which will show if you have a daemon listening on the smtp port. > Could I have the wrong path set up in Pine for the INBOX? I'm using > /var/mail/gschenk. You've got the right path. > I've followed the instructions in Chapter 25 of FreeBSD Unleashed. Annelise > Anderson barely mentions email in her book. I'm beginning to understand why. > Is there another source that is better at clarifying this matter? Does The > Complete FreeBSD cover this subject better? Do I need professional > assistance to set up email? I'd better end this message here as I feel a > major whine coming on! :) I can't tell you where to find better documentation, but it sounds like you're doing things the hard way. Fetchmail is good for redelivering mail through the local mail system. You might do that if you have multiple external mailboxes that go to different users locally, or want your mail filters to be applied, or something like that. If you're happy with the mail as it arrives at your ISP's pop server, you should use a client that can read mail directly from the pop server. I'm pretty sure pine qualifies. http://www.mired.org/consulting.html Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
Re: newbie mail help
On 2003-01-20 16:32, Gary Schenk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am attempting to use Pine with fetchmail and sendmail over a cable > modem to my ISP. > > There is some basic setting that I am unaware of. I now can send > mail and newsgroup messages out over the internet, but the return > address is incorrect. It uses my pc account login ID, gschenk, as > the left side of my address instead of my ISP account name of > gwschenk. Where is this configured? It doesn't seem to be setup in > .pinerc or .fetchmailrc. Is it in sendmail somewhere? You should add (or mofidy appropriately) the following to your .pinerc file: feature-list=allow-changing-from default-composer-hdrs=From: Giorgos Keramidas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, To:, Cc:, Bcc:, Attchmnt:, Subject: The allow-changing-from feature allows editing of the From: header for all outgoing messages when enabled, and the default-composer-hdrs sets some of the headers for your outgoing messages to reasonable defaults. > The fetchmail man page says that sendmail needs to be listening on > port 25. When I run the output is: > > root 102 0.0 1.8 2760 2196 ?? Ss 2:45PM 0:00.14 sendmail: accepting \ > connections (sendmail) > smmsp 105 0.0 1.7 2660 2180 ?? Is 2:45PM 0:00.01 sendmail: Queue \ > runner@00:30:00 for /var/spool/clientmqueue (sendmai > > Shouldn't it indicate port 25 somewhere? No, not really. > How do I know I have a port 25? > How do I know it is listening at port 25? Use sockstat(1). $ sockstat -l4 | grep :25 root sendmail 445 4 tcp4 *:25 *:* > Could I have the wrong path set up in Pine for the INBOX? > I'm using /var/mail/gschenk. As long as "gschenk" is your username, this is fine. > Do I need professional assistance to set up email? It's not difficult. You should also check the FreeBSD Handbook. Especially the chapter about mail... > I'd better end this message here as I feel a major whine coming on! :) Nah, not really :) To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
Re: newbie mail help
- Original Message - From: "Mike Meyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > You're right - most of the documentation is geared towards setting up > a server. That's because that's the difficult part, and setting up as > just a client depends on which of the many clients you've chosen. > > Basically, what you need to do is choose a client, and then follow the > directions on configuring it. That should do the trick. If you like > OE, then possibly you want to use Netscape Communicator or Mozilla as > a client. Install those from the ports, then use the preferences menus > to enter your ISP's host names for the SMTP and POP servers. > > If you want a command-line client, mutt and pine are popular and > available in the ports. There are also other GUI clients available in > the ports; look in /usr/ports/mail to see what's there. > > Finally, I use VM, which is a mail program that runs inside of > Emacs. If you use emacs, you might want to give it a look. > > > I apologize for posting with OE. > > No need to apologies - the mail came through nicely formatted, as > plain text only. That's all we ask for. > > -- > Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.mired.org/consulting.html > Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. I am attempting to use Pine with fetchmail and sendmail over a cable modem to my ISP. There is some basic setting that I am unaware of. I now can send mail and newsgroup messages out over the internet, but the return address is incorrect. It uses my pc account login ID, gschenk, as the left side of my address instead of my ISP account name of gwschenk. Where is this configured? It doesn't seem to be setup in .pinerc or .fetchmailrc. Is it in sendmail somewhere? The fetchmail man page says that sendmail needs to be listening on port 25. When I run the output is: root 102 0.0 1.8 2760 2196 ?? Ss 2:45PM 0:00.14 sendmail: accepting connections (sendmail) smmsp 105 0.0 1.7 2660 2180 ?? Is 2:45PM 0:00.01 sendmail: Queue runner@00:30:00 for /var/spool/clientmqueue (sendmai Shouldn't it indicate port 25 somewhere? How do I know I have a port 25? How do I know it is listening at port 25? Could I have the wrong path set up in Pine for the INBOX? I'm using /var/mail/gschenk. I've followed the instructions in Chapter 25 of FreeBSD Unleashed. Annelise Anderson barely mentions email in her book. I'm beginning to understand why. Is there another source that is better at clarifying this matter? Does The Complete FreeBSD cover this subject better? Do I need professional assistance to set up email? I'd better end this message here as I feel a major whine coming on! :) Gary To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
Re: newbie mail help
On Sun, 19 Jan 2003, Gary Schenk wrote: > > On Sun, 19 Jan 2003, Shantanu Mahajan wrote: > > > Subject: Re: newbie mail help > > > > > > # cd /etc/mail > > > # make > > > # vi `hostname`.mc > > > > > > now change the line > > > dnl define(`SMART_HOST', `your.isp.mail.server') > > > to > > > define(`SMART_HOST', `your.isp.mail.server') > > > > > > (don't fotget to _replace_ *your.isp.mail.server*) > > > then > > > # make > > > # killall -HUP sendmail > > > > > > That's all. :-) > > > > > > Regards, > > > Shantanu > > > > Is all this required? Couldn't POP mail just be gotten in the normal way > > with e.g. kmail or netscape or mozilla? The above will allow you to use > > all manner of *nix email clients, but have you tried just setting up (say) > > mozilla mail or kmail in the normal fashion? > > > > Just a thought - JB > > > > > > I've been trying to use the command line as much as possible in seting up > FreeBSD. I hope that this will give me a better understanding of the OS, > however this is quite a task. So I have not tried to setup one of the > desktop mail clients. I do need my email functioning however, and I am going > to try to setup Balsa now. > > Whatever I read about sendmail just makes my poor head spin. It is like > reading a foreign language. > > Thanks to all who have responded to my plea for help. > > Gary > Yep - email servers are pernicious, complex beasties, some worse than others. Fortunately, most of Unix is not nearly so complex. Good luck - JB # John Bleichert # http://vonbek.dhs.org/latest.jpg To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
Re: newbie mail help
- Original Message - From: "John Bleichert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gary Schenk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 12:39 PM Subject: Re: newbie mail help > On Sun, 19 Jan 2003, Shantanu Mahajan wrote: > > Subject: Re: newbie mail help > > > > +++ Gary Schenk [freebsd] [17-01-03 22:28 -0800]: > > | I've been installing FreeBSD on my home desktop. A little each day I spend > > | configuring. I've worked out most things with books and man pages. I am > > | connected to the internet by cable modem. Links worked perfectly right away. > > | Where I am failing is setting up my email. I am not trying to be a mail > > | server, just get and send mail through my ISP. The documentation seems to be > > | geared to mail servers. This is really confusing me. Can someone point me in > > | the right direction for help on email? Just a nudge in the right direction > > | would be most helpful. > > | > > | I apologize for posting with OE. > > | > > | Thanks! > > | > > # cd /etc/mail > > # make > > # vi `hostname`.mc > > > > now change the line > > dnl define(`SMART_HOST', `your.isp.mail.server') > > to > > define(`SMART_HOST', `your.isp.mail.server') > > > > (don't fotget to _replace_ *your.isp.mail.server*) > > then > > # make > > # killall -HUP sendmail > > > > That's all. :-) > > > > Regards, > > Shantanu > > Is all this required? Couldn't POP mail just be gotten in the normal way > with e.g. kmail or netscape or mozilla? The above will allow you to use > all manner of *nix email clients, but have you tried just setting up (say) > mozilla mail or kmail in the normal fashion? > > Just a thought - JB > > # John Bleichert > # http://vonbek.dhs.org/latest.jpg > > I've been trying to use the command line as much as possible in seting up FreeBSD. I hope that this will give me a better understanding of the OS, however this is quite a task. So I have not tried to setup one of the desktop mail clients. I do need my email functioning however, and I am going to try to setup Balsa now. Whatever I read about sendmail just makes my poor head spin. It is like reading a foreign language. Thanks to all who have responded to my plea for help. Gary To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
Re: newbie mail help
On Sun, 19 Jan 2003, Shantanu Mahajan wrote: > Subject: Re: newbie mail help > > +++ Gary Schenk [freebsd] [17-01-03 22:28 -0800]: > | I've been installing FreeBSD on my home desktop. A little each day I spend > | configuring. I've worked out most things with books and man pages. I am > | connected to the internet by cable modem. Links worked perfectly right away. > | Where I am failing is setting up my email. I am not trying to be a mail > | server, just get and send mail through my ISP. The documentation seems to be > | geared to mail servers. This is really confusing me. Can someone point me in > | the right direction for help on email? Just a nudge in the right direction > | would be most helpful. > | > | I apologize for posting with OE. > | > | Thanks! > | > # cd /etc/mail > # make > # vi `hostname`.mc > > now change the line > dnl define(`SMART_HOST', `your.isp.mail.server') > to > define(`SMART_HOST', `your.isp.mail.server') > > (don't fotget to _replace_ *your.isp.mail.server*) > then > # make > # killall -HUP sendmail > > That's all. :-) > > Regards, > Shantanu Is all this required? Couldn't POP mail just be gotten in the normal way with e.g. kmail or netscape or mozilla? The above will allow you to use all manner of *nix email clients, but have you tried just setting up (say) mozilla mail or kmail in the normal fashion? Just a thought - JB # John Bleichert # http://vonbek.dhs.org/latest.jpg To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
Re: newbie mail help
+++ Gary Schenk [freebsd] [17-01-03 22:28 -0800]: | I've been installing FreeBSD on my home desktop. A little each day I spend | configuring. I've worked out most things with books and man pages. I am | connected to the internet by cable modem. Links worked perfectly right away. | Where I am failing is setting up my email. I am not trying to be a mail | server, just get and send mail through my ISP. The documentation seems to be | geared to mail servers. This is really confusing me. Can someone point me in | the right direction for help on email? Just a nudge in the right direction | would be most helpful. | | I apologize for posting with OE. | | Thanks! | # cd /etc/mail # make # vi `hostname`.mc now change the line dnl define(`SMART_HOST', `your.isp.mail.server') to define(`SMART_HOST', `your.isp.mail.server') (don't fotget to _replace_ *your.isp.mail.server*) then # make # killall -HUP sendmail That's all. :-) Regards, Shantanu -- Everyone is a genius. It's just that some people are too stupid to realize it. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
Re: newbie mail help
In <002b01c2beba$c1d2b000$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Gary Schenk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> typed: > I've been installing FreeBSD on my home desktop. A little each day I spend > configuring. I've worked out most things with books and man pages. I am > connected to the internet by cable modem. Links worked perfectly right away. > Where I am failing is setting up my email. I am not trying to be a mail > server, just get and send mail through my ISP. The documentation seems to be > geared to mail servers. This is really confusing me. Can someone point me in > the right direction for help on email? Just a nudge in the right direction > would be most helpful. You're right - most of the documentation is geared towards setting up a server. That's because that's the difficult part, and setting up as just a client depends on which of the many clients you've chosen. Basically, what you need to do is choose a client, and then follow the directions on configuring it. That should do the trick. If you like OE, then possibly you want to use Netscape Communicator or Mozilla as a client. Install those from the ports, then use the preferences menus to enter your ISP's host names for the SMTP and POP servers. If you want a command-line client, mutt and pine are popular and available in the ports. There are also other GUI clients available in the ports; look in /usr/ports/mail to see what's there. Finally, I use VM, which is a mail program that runs inside of Emacs. If you use emacs, you might want to give it a look. > I apologize for posting with OE. No need to apologies - the mail came through nicely formatted, as plain text only. That's all we ask for. http://www.mired.org/consulting.html Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
Re: newbie mail help
At 10:28 PM 17/01/2003 -0800, you wrote: I've been installing FreeBSD on my home desktop. A little each day I spend configuring. I've worked out most things with books and man pages. I am connected to the internet by cable modem. Links worked perfectly right away. Where I am failing is setting up my email. I am not trying to be a mail server, just get and send mail through my ISP. The documentation seems to be geared to mail servers. This is really confusing me. Can someone point me in the right direction for help on email? Just a nudge in the right direction would be most helpful. I am in the same boat, and just use my ISP smtp and pop3 server through kde's KMail, and leave setting up a mail server to those who would use it. And there's no need to apologize for using your choice of email client. Regards Quinn Ellis To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
newbie mail help
I've been installing FreeBSD on my home desktop. A little each day I spend configuring. I've worked out most things with books and man pages. I am connected to the internet by cable modem. Links worked perfectly right away. Where I am failing is setting up my email. I am not trying to be a mail server, just get and send mail through my ISP. The documentation seems to be geared to mail servers. This is really confusing me. Can someone point me in the right direction for help on email? Just a nudge in the right direction would be most helpful. I apologize for posting with OE. Thanks! Gary Schenk To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
