Set boot loader to boot off CD manually
Hi all, I was banging my head against the wall too long yesterday, so I have broken down, and have to ask. Any help on this matter is greatly appreciated. Here is what I'm trying to do. I have two computers, both running 4.8, clean, minimal installs. They have two serial cables connected to each other to act as serial consoles, and -Dh has been added to /boot.config, along with ttys having been updated. The console bit works great. What I want to be able to do, is completely rebuild one of the machines remotely. So I log into one, serial over to the other, and reboot it. Then, when the loader comes up, I stop it, and break to the "ok" prompt. I unload the kernel that was starting to load, and at this point, want to boot off CD, to rebuild the system, as though I had gone into the BIOS, and set the CD as the first boot device. However, I don't have remote access to the BIOS, so I can't do this. Here is some information about the systems, and what I have tried so far: They are identical computers, that I built myself, very default machines. IDE everything. atapci0: port 0xff00-0xff0f at device 2.5 on pci0 ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0 ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0 ata1-slave: ATAPI identify retries exceeded ad0: 38166MB [77545/16/63] at ata0-master UDMA100 acd0: CDROM at ata1-master PIO4 I have tried all combinations of load that I can think of. And I have tried setting loaddev and root_disk_unit to all sorts of things. Here is the output from a lsdev: cd @ 0xff5c disk @ 0xef68 disk0: BIOS drive A: disk1: BIOS drive C: disk1s1a: FFS disk1s1b: swap disk1s1e: FFS disk1s1f: FFS disk1s1g: FFS pxe @ 0xd6d8 I have also tried just doing an ls on the device, by setting currdev to all sorts of things...like cd9660:cd, just 'cd' and the BIOS physical addresses in the form X:acd(Y,Z) [0-4]:acd([0-4],[a-c]) No joy. I have also tried booting with the -C option, and here is the tail end of that attempt: acd0: CDROM at ata1-master PIO4 Mounting root from cd9660:cd0a no such device 'cd' setrootbyname failed iso_mountroot: can't find rootvp Root mount failed: 6 Mounting root from cd9660:acd0a cd9660: RockRidge Extension init: not found in path /sbin/init:/sbin/oinit:/sbin/init.bak:/stand/sysinstall panic: no init No joy. I'm trying to think what other information might be useful. As I see it, the problem is, that once a version of FreeBSD has been installed, and the loader loads off the HD, it doesn't want to have anything to do with the CD any more... I realize I have other options, like PXE or FTP, or having an "install partition", to hold an install of BSD, just to install to the other partition. I really don't want to go down these roads right now, since I want to be able to have someone pop in a new CD, to switch around versions of BSD running on these boxes. Help anyone!? Thanks! -dg ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
RE: incoming bandwidth limiting using ipfilter
Here is another article that summarizes what you need to do, it's pretty straight forward really. I just did this recently on my server, and it appears to work like a charm so far. http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2001/07/26/Big_Scary_Daemons.html Peace. -Daniel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of randall ehren Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 5:29 PM To: Hari Bhaskaran Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: incoming bandwidth limiting using ipfilter > Does anyone know any hardware (of the size of a regular home > DSL router) that can give me a simple limit of X bps for two > IP addresses. I am running out of time and removing ipfilter > (which I use now) and adding ipfw, learning dummynet and then > figuring out will take time (at least 5 days with my FreeBSD IQ level). > I am also hoping it would be in < $500 range. just add IPFW, IPFIREWALL_DEFAULT_TO_ACCEPT, and DUMMYNET to your kernel, no need to remove IPFILTER. then just add whatever rules are needed for dummynet. IPFW should then leave your packets alone for ipfilter to handle. -randall -- :// randall s. ehren :// voice 805.893.5632 :// systems administrator:// isber|survey|avss.ucsb.edu :// institute for social, behavioral, and economic research To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
RE: incoming bandwidth limiting using ipfilter
The question is, are they charging you for total bandwidth used, or some real time rate limit? When you use bandwidth shaping, you can reduce your rate, but that will just spread things out. So if they are charging you for total bytes moved, then you would have to do some math to figure out what that breaks down to in Mbps, and put a throttle in to that rate. I'm not sure what Mike means by packets already traversing the network. If you shape your bandwidth, it's not like all those packets just pile up at your server's front door, waiting to get in. The IP protocol will pause within itself to not exceed your defined bandwidth. -Daniel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Hari Bhaskaran Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 6:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: incoming bandwidth limiting using ipfilter > Hari: > > I think you are going to find that rate-limiting at the box won't > provide any fiscal relief. The packets have already traversed your > ISP's interface where the accounting is taking place. > > Mike That's bad. But if the machine doesn't accept more than N packets/sec, why would the ISP router forward any more packets to it? I wouldn't know the internals, but isn't there any kind of flow control in the protocol? -- Hari Bhaskaran (Mike, although I have cc-ed the list I haven't included your email anywhere in the reply) To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
RE: how can I filter on subject with sendmail 8.12.6?
The problem with this solution is that it doesn't prevent potential queuing a lot of bounced emails, back to domains that are bad. The best place to stop spam, is to deny it right at the on set, so as to not load up your system trying to deliver bad mail. -Daniel The simple solution if you're running sendmail is to install mail/p5-Mail-SpamAssassin and mail/procmail. It checks for known hooks, verifies headers and checks for mail servers that are in the various RBLs. I've been using it for 2 weeks and only had one false positive. -- Matt Emmerton To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
RE: Bystander shot by a spam filter.
Oh come on, we can behave better than this...In normal conversation, there is no reason to use such potentially offensive language, when discussing FreeBSD. Which I might add what this list is supposed to be about. At least, I know that's why I signed up for it. On 04 Jan 2003 19:13:13 +, "Stacey Roberts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Dude, >You don't know me, nor have any idea what I'm about. Well, since Vicki gives me head everyday, I'd say I know you quite well. Not that she's good at it, but hey, what more can you expect for $5? > For your information, even the thread originator has previously > requested that this thread be killed off. This was some 4 days ago. And you keep posting to it, brilliant. Damned negroes, I don't know why I don't just killfile you. Oh wait, I've just done it. Regards, -- Bosko Milekick [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Daniel To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
Selecting a specific list of ports to update
I know how to set cvsup to update ports-all, or a specific branch like ports-mail. However, I would like to be able to make a cvsupfile with a list of just individual ports to update. Any ideas? Thanks -Daniel To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
Postfix vs. Sendmail
So mx1.freebsd.org itself runs Postfix, but yet, sendmail is still so embedded in FreeBSD that it's almost imposible to get cleaned out. When are they going to make the FreeBSD install configurable enough to not have to include sendmail, bind, openssl, etc? I choose to either install these apps as ports, or not at all. Is there a way to break down the install, and just get a bare bare bare bones install of just base, crypto and man pages, like the install says it's going to do? I can't imagine this would be too hard to do! If anyone has any information about the future plans on changing the install process, I'm all ears. Thanks. -Daniel To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
RE: Selecting a specific list of ports to update
Yes, I have been through all that, and I do right now just do a couple of the specific branches, but even that is more than I really want. I'm talking about being able to do something like ports-security-openssl ports-security-openssh ports-net-bind9 ports-mail-postfix ports-www-apache13 And have it just updates those specific apps, not the whole branch. I realize that I can just download the individual ports I want, and install them, without using cvsup, but I like being able to leave it in my cron, and have them update automatically, and tell me when there are new versions of just the apps I run, not every mail app out there. Thanks. -Daniel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Nathan Kinkade Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 1:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Selecting a specific list of ports to update On Sun, Jan 05, 2003 at 01:15:30PM -0500, Daniel Goepp wrote: > I know how to set cvsup to update ports-all, or a specific branch like > ports-mail. However, I would like to be able to make a cvsupfile with a > list of just individual ports to update. Any ideas? > > Thanks > > -Daniel Check out the FreeBSD handbook. The section on using CVSup talks about the various tags you can use for ports...they are intuitive. So instead of ports-all tag, you might put "ports-mail" in your cvsup file. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/cvsup.html#CVS UP-CONFIG-FILES Nathan To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
Cyrus-SASL and OpenLDAP
These two apps both have compile time options to include support for each other, but this quickly becomes a chicken or the egg question. My instinct tells me to install SASL first, without LDAP, then install LDAP with SASL, and then go back and reinstall SASL with LDAP. Anyone else run into this circle? Thanks -Daniel To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
RE: Installing FreeBSD 4.7 from ISO image
The problem may not be BSD. You say you have changed your BIOS to boot the CD, but have you verified that any other bootable CDs work? Like your original windows CD? Also, do you have another machine you could check to verify that the FreeBSD CD is bootable? If not, I would check your ISO burning process to make sure it's working correctly. -Daniel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of William Coles Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 2:15 PM To: freebsd-questions Subject: Installing FreeBSD 4.7 from ISO image Greetings, I'm new to the list and new to FreeBSD. Here is my situation: I have downloaded the 4.7-mini iso from one of the ftp sites. I have extracted the file and burnt it onto a cd-rw as a data cd (ISO) using nero. I am trying to install FreeBSD from this disc, but am having difficulty. A little more background on my current system config... I am running win2k pro (NTFS), which is dedicated to one of my hard drives. I have freed up another hard drive (3 GB) to install nix. I changed my BIOS settings to boot from CD, restarted and... the system boots into windows. I feel I'm just overlooking a simple detail, but I'm not familiar enough with FreeBSD yet to understand what I need to do to install. I have read the eratta.txt, readme.txt and the install.txt, but can't seem to find what file is the actual install file, or how I can go about installing from the CD onto my available drive? Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Bill To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
RE: Selecting a specific list of ports to update
That would be perfect! If anyone has any ideas on setting that up, I'm all ears. Perhaps a custom version of cvsup...Someone have nothing better to do this week? ;) Although, it would be nice to have something like this for the src tree too. For example, I choose to install bind9 from the port, not from the src tree, and would rather that cvsup not update bind in the src tree, and that buildworld ignore it. I know that you can get make.conf to ignore bind, but this to me is the clumsy way. You shouldn't have to specifically tell the compiler to not build something, I would rather tell it what to build... -Daniel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Brian Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 2:16 PM To: Joan Picanyol i Puig; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Selecting a specific list of ports to update wonder if you could use the contents of /var/db/pkg as the input for a script? Bri - Original Message - From: "Joan Picanyol i Puig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 11:09 AM Subject: Re: Selecting a specific list of ports to update > * Daniel Goepp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [20030105 19:17]: > > I would like to be able to make a cvsupfile with a > > list of just individual ports to update. Any ideas? > Use CVS. cvsup only knows about 'collections' > > qvb > -- > pica > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
RE: Cyrus-SASL and OpenLDAP
I supposed, I guess my curious mind was pondering actually playing with how to use LDAP as a back end to SASL, since LDAP is my authoritative DB for many of my apps. I think you are right though, I should just install SASL, then LDAP, and get over it. Interesting that these two apps would put themselves into this co-dependant state. -Daniel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Goedeke Michels Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 2:16 PM To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Cyrus-SASL and OpenLDAP Depends on your needs. Do you need LDAP as a SASL backend ? Most likely not. You probably want LDAP to make use of SASL, not the other way round. So you build SASL first and then LDAP. You can't have it both ways, I believe. Daniel Goepp schrieb: > These two apps both have compile time options to include support for > each other, but this quickly becomes a chicken or the egg question. > > My instinct tells me to install SASL first, without LDAP, then install > LDAP with SASL, and then go back and reinstall SASL with LDAP. > > Anyone else run into this circle? > > Thanks > > -Daniel To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
RE: Selecting a specific list of ports to update
Right, I use pkg_version for tracking what I have installed, vs. what the latest is. I appreciate everyone's help on this one, but I think I'm being misunderstood. I really just wanted to know if there was a way to get cvsup to be more specific, and in fact there isn't. I would like to maintain a local cvs tree of just a hand full of specific apps. I have no need for 99% of the ports currently available, and just wanted to find a better, cleaner way to deal with this. Someone responded with use CVS directly, not cvsup. So, I think I'm going to go ahead and write my own script, to read a config file with a list of apps, and pull their directories. Unless someone has already done this. I may well write something to cvsup, since I have a feeling I'm not the only person that would benefit from a tool that will go just one level deeper in syncing Thanks. -Daniel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Nathan Kinkade Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 3:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Selecting a specific list of ports to update On Sun, Jan 05, 2003 at 01:57:36PM -0500, Daniel Goepp wrote: > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Nathan Kinkade > Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 1:47 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Selecting a specific list of ports to update > > On Sun, Jan 05, 2003 at 01:15:30PM -0500, Daniel Goepp wrote: > > I know how to set cvsup to update ports-all, or a specific branch like > > ports-mail. However, I would like to be able to make a cvsupfile with > a > > list of just individual ports to update. Any ideas? > > > > Thanks > > > > -Daniel > Check out the FreeBSD handbook. The section on using CVSup talks about > the various tags you can use for ports...they are intuitive. So instead > of ports-all tag, you might put "ports-mail" in your cvsup file. > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/cvsup.html#CVS > UP-CONFIG-FILES > > Nathan > Yes, I have been through all that, and I do right now just do a couple > of the specific branches, but even that is more than I really want. I'm > talking about being able to do something like > > ports-security-openssl > ports-security-openssh > ports-net-bind9 > ports-mail-postfix > ports-www-apache13 > > And have it just updates those specific apps, not the whole branch. I > realize that I can just download the individual ports I want, and > install them, without using cvsup, but I like being able to leave it in > my cron, and have them update automatically, and tell me when there are > new versions of just the apps I run, not every mail app out there. > > Thanks. > > -Daniel You could use portupgrade with the --noexecute option to figure out which ports have a newer version. There may be a better way, but a line like: # portupgrade --noexecute openssl* | grep Upgrading ---> Upgrading 'openssl-0.9.6g_1' to 'openssl-0.9.6h' (security/openssl) # ...let's you know that you could upgrade from your current version of 0.9.6g_1 to 0.9.6h. You could use this output to do various things. Alternatively, but maybe not wisely, if you want specific ports to be updated unconditionally via a cron job just use an appropriate portupgrade command in your script. Nathan # To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
RE: Selecting a specific list of ports to update
Thanks! The funny thing is, I do in fact already use their monitoring, however, I never noticed that utility to upload the output from pkg_info, that's pretty slick. Notification was not my primary goal, but rather a secondary benefit of having a tool to update specific ports. -Daniel -Original Message- From: randall ehren [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 4:47 PM To: Daniel Goepp Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Selecting a specific list of ports to update > And have it just updates those specific apps, not the whole branch. I > realize that I can just download the individual ports I want, and > install them, without using cvsup, but I like being able to leave it in > my cron, and have them update automatically, and tell me when there are > new versions of just the apps I run, not every mail app out there. doesn't quite solve your problem, but http://www.freshports.org/ has a feature whereby you send it output from pkg_info and it emails you daily letting you know when the port has been updated. (you still have to manually download the port, or update your tree) -randall -- :// randall s. ehren :// voice 805.893.5632 :// systems administrator:// isber|survey|avss.ucsb.edu :// institute for social, behavioral, and economic research To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
RE: Installing FreeBSD 4.7 from ISO image
Couple more guesses for you. First, you are probably just burning the image file to the CD in your first example. If you put that CD in your computer when you have windows loaded, do you see one file called 4.7 mini.iso, or do you see what looks like a CD with a bunch of files on it? You do not want to tell your CD burning app to make a bootable CD, all of the bootable CD information is already contained in the original image file. So I would give up on that route. I don't know NERO, but in most burning apps, there is an option, "Create CD from ISO image", and then an option to select the image file. In your example, it appears that NERO will only look for an IMA file to create an image from. So here's what I would do: 1. Verify that Nero can create a CD from an ISO image file, and not just their own proprietary image files. 2. Find in their help their process for doing so, and when asked for the image file, point it to the ISO image file. 3. Leap in joy when it works. Hope this helps. -Daniel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of William Coles Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 6:08 PM To: freebsd-questions Subject: Installing FreeBSD 4.7 from ISO image Hello, Thanks to everyone for the suggestions so far. I'm still having trouble, but I'm determined to figure this thing out! I can't wait to be running FreeBSD. Here is what I have tried so far: As per Daniel's suggestion, I verified that other bootable CD's work on my system, which they do. I was able to boot using an old Slackware 7.0 CD I have. Daniel also suggested that maybe the issue has something to do with my ISO burning process. I think that is exactly where the problem is, so I'm trying to get it right. As Dzokayi suggested, I made sure I burned the file as an image and didn't just burn the file as is to the CD-RW. The original file I downloaded from the FTP site came compressed as a WinRAR archive. After downloading it, I extracted it to my HDD. In windows, it shows all kinds of folders (i.e. bin, boot, catpages, etc). The files themselves are not readable in windows, obviously, because they are made with a different file system. Then I followed the suggestion given by Laszlo, which was to burn the actual archive without extracting it. Fortunately, I saved the original file so this was easy enough to do. But...it didn't work either. After burning the 4.7 mini.iso (compressed WinRAR) file, putting the CD in the tray and rebooting...nada, hangs on 'booting from ATAPI CD' Lastly, I realized that I have been burning data CD's and that Nero had an option for burning bootable CD's. Duh! So I went back to Nero and started over. The problem I'm running into now is that when I create a new compilation in Nero to set up a bootable CD, Nero gives two choices to pick from the source of boot image data; a) a bootable logical drive (must be under 650 MB, which I don't have) and b) an Image File. When I click on the browse button to select an image file, Nero only wants to look for files with the extension of .ima. I'm thinking that the file I downloaded from the FTP site is indeed an image file, no? What I'm going to try next is to rename the archive file I downloaded to end in .ima and burn it. There is also a field to choose a type of emulation. The choices are Floppy, Hardisk or No Emulation. I have been choosing No Emulation, as per the Nero manual, this is for bootable installation CD's (i.e. what I'm trying to make). Any further suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Thanks again, Bill (one day running BSD) To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
RE: Postfix vs. Sendmail
Well sort of. That only prevents them from recompiling and updating if you do a build/install world. I realize I'm probably requiring more control than is natural, but I don't want sendmail to have ever been installed in the first place. But really, it goes beyond that. The FreeBSD crew, has decided for us the list of apps they consider to be "part of" the OS. Some contributed, some developed by themselves, some standard unix tools, etc...However, that leaves the rest of us cleaning out these apps that we didn't want in the first place. Don't get me wrong, I love FreeBSD, but this particular aspect of it is driving me up a wall. I'm trying to figure out how to get the most bare install possible, and then from there, add things on that I want. It would seem that this would be easier for them than harder. And a nice little app to control what actually goes into the install. I know, really there is probably little effect on the system to have things on it that are not used. However, to some that's considered a security breach, to me, it also just bothers me. What if I don't want rcp to be installed on my system at all? There are a million and one of these little apps, utilities, etc...I can understand that some are standard. However, they can be categorized, and selected. I'm probably the only person that wants this level of control. So, sorry for wasting everyone's time... Peace. -Daniel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-freebsd [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Duncan Anker Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 6:53 PM To: FreeBSD Questions; Daniel Goepp Cc: Lowell Gilbert Subject: Re: Postfix vs. Sendmail On Tue, 2003-01-07 at 00:42, Lowell Gilbert wrote: > Daniel Goepp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > So mx1.freebsd.org itself runs Postfix, but yet, sendmail is still so > > embedded in FreeBSD that it's almost imposible to get cleaned out. When > > are they going to make the FreeBSD install configurable enough to not have > > to include sendmail, bind, openssl, etc? I choose to either install these > > apps as ports, or not at all. > > > > Is there a way to break down the install, and just get a bare bare bare > > bones install of just base, crypto and man pages, like the install says > > it's going to do? I can't imagine this would be too hard to do! > > Then do it. If it works, I doubt there will be much trouble getting > it accepted into the system. um ... what's wrong with doing this in /etc/make.conf? NO_BIND = true NO_OPENSSL = true NO_SENDMAIL = true and so on. Seems to be exactly what you want to do -- The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way. Dark Blue Sea does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Dark Blue Sea. Dark Blue Sea does not warrant that any attachments are free from viruses or other defects. You assume all liability for any loss, damage or other consequences which may arise from opening or using the attachments. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
RE: Postfix vs. Sendmail
Lowell Gilbert wrote: >Then do it. If it works, I doubt there will be much trouble getting >it accepted into the system. Well yes, I would love to. However, I'm not sure I have the know how yet. I have plenty of experience in programming, but more db and interface stuff, I also don't have any specific experience with FreeBSD development. Plus, why invent the wheel. CVSup is already written, and the FreeBSD core team has control of the source tree, and what gets installed. If someone can save me some time in searching, where is the source that controls what is installed by FreeBSD? Also, anyone on a first name basis with John Polstra? I have submitted an email to the "comments" address on their web page, but I would be willing to bet it will get swept under the rug. And I'm not sure learning Modula-3 is on my agenda right now either. I do hear what you are saying though. Trust me, I love this environment where so many people run into a blocking point, writes some to fix the problem, and then submit it to share with everyone else, and I would love to contribute in any way I can, with whoever might actually have more knowledge on this matter than I do. But also, these are projects currently in someone else's court right now, and I don't know the players. I realize, as I mentioned in another post, I may well be the only person that really wants this functionality. I welcome comments though about what other people think on the matter, in general or specific terms. Or any information about what future plans there are on modifications to the install process. And if this is not the forum for this, I would appreciate being told where the best place to bring this up would be. I checked the archives on freebsd-config, and it would appear to be a largely dead list. Thanks. Peace. -Daniel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Lowell Gilbert Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 9:42 AM To: Daniel Goepp Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Postfix vs. Sendmail Daniel Goepp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > So mx1.freebsd.org itself runs Postfix, but yet, sendmail is still so > embedded in FreeBSD that it's almost imposible to get cleaned out. When > are they going to make the FreeBSD install configurable enough to not have > to include sendmail, bind, openssl, etc? I choose to either install these > apps as ports, or not at all. > > Is there a way to break down the install, and just get a bare bare bare > bones install of just base, crypto and man pages, like the install says > it's going to do? I can't imagine this would be too hard to do! To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
RE: Redirecting root's email
Have you tried Postfix? Many feel the configuration is a bit more friendly. -Daniel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Adam Lofstedt Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 8:07 PM To: 'Toomas Aas'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Redirecting root's email > > I'm not a big Sendmail expert or anything, but do you even > have the MTA > process running? Can you successfully telnet localhost.visimation.com > port 25? What sendmail related lines do you have in /etc/rc.conf? > -- > Toomas Aas | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | > http://www.raad.tartu.ee/~toomas/ > * All wiyht. Rho sritched > mg kegboawd awound? > Yes, I have the Sendmail Process running. Telnet to port 25 of localhost.visimation.com gives this: Forcefield# telnet localhost.visimation.com 25 Trying 127.0.0.1 Connected to locahost.visimation.com. Escape character is '^]'. 220 forcefield.visimation.com ESMTP Sendmail 8.12.6/8.12.6; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 16:50:15 -0800 (PST) I really wish I could get this working. It seems like such a simple thing, and my installation was pretty much straight-out-of-the-box from the Standard installation. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
Ah, found some of what I was looking for I think...
Just took me a while.digging. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/releng/article.html "Installation Tools - Our installation program has long since outlived its intended life span. Several projects are under development to provide a more advanced installation mechanism. One of the most promising is the libh project[5] which aims to provided an intelligent new package framework and GUI installation program." Still looking for more info though. -Daniel To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
RE: Postfix vs. Sendmail
I don't think it is, because you also have to control what source you download. So in conjunction with only keeping what you use in sync, you also only compile and install what you use. In fact, it's the communication between cvs/cvsup and the FreeBSD src build/install that I'm having problems with. -Daniel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Lowell Gilbert Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 10:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 'FreeBSD Questions' Subject: Re: Postfix vs. Sendmail "Daniel Goepp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Lowell Gilbert wrote: > > >Then do it. If it works, I doubt there will be much trouble getting > >it accepted into the system. > > Well yes, I would love to. > > Plus, why > invent the wheel. CVSup is already written, and the FreeBSD core team > has control of the source tree, and what gets installed. If someone can > save me some time in searching, where is the source that controls what > is installed by FreeBSD? I don't know why you're talking about cvsup; cvsup is not relevant to this; it is a method for downloading files, primarily from cvs archives. What you're looking for is changing the base system itself; how you get the source code is irrelevant. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
Final comment regarding install options
First, thank you all for your comments and information regarding this matter. I'd just like to note a couple of things, as I go on my merry way to create my own release, and tools to do so. 1. If anyone has any interest in working on this, please feel free to contact me out side of this group, in private email. 2. Many people commented that sendmail, etc should all be left in, the more the merrier, and no harm done. I think that if the course for FreeBSD is to continue to create a dynamic, yet stable and friendly system, then considering the options of all kinds needs to be included in that. If you are someone who just wants a default install, then fine, they don't have to change anything, because a default install is already available. But for everyone else that wants to choose the applications we run, give us a better tool to do so. 3. Thanks for the pointers on the "release" tree. I have been digging through the /usr/src/release stuff, and the man pages on it. I will see if I can sort this one out, and build something. And thanks for the tip on the "bare" picobsd. 4. I will try a quick post in advocacy after I have worked on it a bit more. And yes, I realize this topic has gone past the framework of this forum, and I will take it elsewhere now. Thank you all again for your patience and comments. Peace. -Daniel To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
RE: Postfix vs. Sendmail
On Mon, 06 Jan 2003 at 22:32:42 -0500, Daniel Goepp wrote: > > Lowell Gilbert wrote: > > I don't know why you're talking about cvsup; cvsup is not relevant > > to this; it is a method for downloading files, primarily from cvs > > archives. What you're looking for is changing the base system > > itself; how you get the source code is irrelevant. > > I don't think it is, because you also have to control what source you > download. So in conjunction with only keeping what you use in sync, > you also only compile and install what you use. In fact, it's the > communication between cvs/cvsup and the FreeBSD src build/install that > I'm having problems with. CVSup has *nothing* to do with an initial install of FreeBSD. Your problem seems to stem from your misunderstanding of how things actually work. The stuff you want is in /usr/src/usr.sbin/sysinstall and has nothing at all to do with CVSup. I'm not trying to flame you here or make you feel stupid, please don't take this message that way. You just seem to have some misconceptions that are leading you in the wrong direction and I'm just trying to point them in a better direction :-) - jim I don't feel flamed, but I should clarify my intentions. I understand completely the separation between the two, this is my problem. My original question is how to unite them, not "are they are separated?" Would this not seem to make sense for many of us to have? I have read that a future version of FreeBSD is going to have a "better" installer, but I'm not sure that is going to solve the problem either, unless it's going to work with the source better. Just having more options on how to install, although nice, would just change where you start, not how you maintain your system over time. Here is what I am proposing: A dynamic installer, that can start at a very basic and bare point, but doesn't have to. For all the folks out there that just want a default install, great...But for those of us who like to actually be in control of our systems, there needs to be more. This installer would not only just install what you selected, but also leave a configuration file, with the options and applications you selected in the install. Now, here is where cvsup needs to step in, and be able to read that file, and only keep the items you have selected synchronized in /usr/src and /usr/ports (/usr/docs too now that I think of it). And then, when you do a make buildworld or make installworld, you only compile and install what you had previous selected. Some folks believe that using the "core" versions of the apps is the best method. However, even the FreeBSD documentation itself conflicts this. OpenSSL is one of the core apps, and that's fine, but yet it's recommended that you install the ports version of OpenSSH, which is also installed by default. What is the actual benefit of an application being considered part of the OS, vs. a local install? I have my own feelings on this, and there appears to be a lot of people on both sides of this one, so I'm not trying to start any debates here. But the line between the two needs to be more clearly defined and decided on. It's a mess to clean some of this up, you do a default install of the openssh port right now, and you now have two copies of it on your system, not an upgraded original. Sorry, I'm going on more than I meant to here. All I'm trying to say is that beginning to end, applications on the server could be controlled better, from what gets installed, to what gets its source synchronized, to what gets compiled. I love BSD, and I'm not digging on the team, they do a great job. But I have met with a great deal of frustration cleaning out applications I don't want at all, upgrading applications I do want, compiling applications I'll never use, etc... So, in closing, if you think there is a way to do what I'm talking about here, I'm all ears. But I don't think it's because of a lack of understanding in how it currently works, but more a desire for it to be more powerful. Peace. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
RE: LS -L command, year created field contains hour:minute instead of year
Please find the humor in this, I'm not at all trying to be a pain in the ass here...but since the OS is case sensitive, I chuckled when I read this, thinking 'LS -L' is not a command. Sorry...carry on... -Daniel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of JoeB Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 9:00 PM To: FBSDQ Subject: LS -L command, year created field contains hour:minute instead of year The LS -L command will display the long info about files in a directory. FBSD 4.0 through 4.5 LS -L command would display among other things the month/day/year the file was created. FBSD versions 4.6 and 4.7 displays the hour:minute the file was created in the year field instead of the year. To me this looks like there is a bug in the routine that populates the file's creation date field upon creation of the file and the LS -L command is just displaying what it finds in the year field which has been populated with incorrect data. I am looking for confirmation of my interpretation of the problem from other FBSD users, before I submit PR on it. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
RE: Postfix vs. Sendmail
On Tue, Jan 07, 2003 at 11:26:53PM -0800, Kurt Bigler wrote: > on 1/6/03 10:59 PM, Jonathan Chen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Mon, Jan 06, 2003 at 05:29:15PM -0800, Kurt Bigler wrote: > > > > [...] > >> The problem came up when my VPS provider did a system upgrade. This process > >> left everything I had intact except I lost my sendmail soft link which had > >> pointed to the sendmail replacement provided by qmail. The link was > >> replaced by the sendmail binary with the result that I suddently had > >> sendmail running again beside qmail. > > > > The correct thing to do is to leave the sendmail binary alone and > > tweak /etc/mail/mailer.conf so that the sendmail replacement is > > invoked instead of the base-system's sendmail. > > Yes, I actually corrected mailer.conf when the problem occurred, but I have > heard that some software will try to use /usr/sbin/sendmail explicitly > ignoring mailer.conf. /usr/sbin/sendmail is a symbolic link to /usr/sbin/mailwrapper. ie invoking /usr/sbin/sendmail will consult /etc/mail/mailer.conf. -- Jonathan Chen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- "A person should be able to do a small bit of everything, specialisation is for insects" This is exactly my point, we are running our selves in legacy circles to comply with the original application. And even worse, we are continuing to conform for how sendmail wants thing, and still calling it sendmail. So, for example, if you install postfix...It replaces the sendmail executable also. So, sendmail (mailwrapper version), points to sendmail (postfix replacement), which finally points to the postfix delivery app. Seems a bit much... To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
buildworld error
I see no error here...so I'm sort of at a loss...anyone seen this before? Any help greatly appreciated, I'm leaving town today, and want to leave the box in top shape. sh /usr/src/tools/install.sh -C -o root -g wheel -m 444 libxpg4.a /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/lib sh /usr/src/tools/install.sh -s -o root -g wheel -m 444 libxpg4.so.3 /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/lib ln -fs libxpg4.so.3 /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/lib/libxpg4.so ===> lib/liby rm -f /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/lib/compat/liby.so /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/lib/liby.so.2.0 /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/lib/compat/liby.so.2.0 /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/lib/compat/liby.so.2 sh /usr/src/tools/install.sh -C -o root -g wheel -m 444 liby.a /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/lib ===> lib/libz sh /usr/src/tools/install.sh -C -o root -g wheel -m 444 libz.a /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/lib sh /usr/src/tools/install.sh -s -o root -g wheel -m 444 libz.so.2 /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/lib sh /usr/src/tools/install.sh -C -o root -g wheel -m 444 /usr/src/lib/libz/zconf.h /usr/src/lib/libz/zlib.h /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include ln -fs libz.so.2 /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/lib/libz.so 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error here is a grep -v "^#" of my make.conf CFLAGS= -O -pipe BDECFLAGS= -W -Wall -ansi -pedantic -Wbad-function-cast -Wcast-align \ -Wcast-qual -Wchar-subscripts -Winline \ -Wmissing-prototypes -Wnested-externs -Wpointer-arith \ -Wredundant-decls -Wshadow -Wstrict-prototypes -Wwrite-strings COPTFLAGS= -O -pipe ENABLE_SUIDPERL=true NO_CVS= true# do not build CVS NO_BIND=true# do not build BIND NO_FORTRAN= true# do not build g77 and related libraries NO_I4B= true# do not build isdn4bsd package NO_LPR= true# do not build lpr and related programs NO_OPENSSH= true# do not build OpenSSH NO_OPENSSL= true# do not build OpenSSL (implies NO_OPENSSH) NO_SENDMAIL=true# do not build sendmail and related programs NO_SHAREDOCS= true# do not build the 4.4BSD legacy docs NO_X= true# do not compile in XWindows support (e.g. doscmd) NOGAMES=true# do not build games (games/ subdir) NOPROFILE= true# Avoid compiling profiled libraries NOUUCP= true# do not build uucp related programs COMPAT3X= yes NOPORTDOCS= true BOOTWAIT=0 USA_RESIDENT= YES SUP_UPDATE= yes SUP=/usr/local/bin/cvsup SUPFLAGS= -g -L 2 SUPHOST=cvsup11.FreeBSD.org SUPFILE=/usr/local/etc/stable-supfile PORTSSUPFILE= /usr/local/etc/ports-supfile -Daniel To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
RE: Cisco Aironet PCI card - Supported ?
I know for certain the Cisco Aironet 250 PCMCIA card works, I can't confirm the PCI version, which I thought was just a bridge that you plug the PCMCIA card into. -Daniel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Wayne Pascoe Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 11:43 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Cisco Aironet PCI card - Supported ? Hi all, Does anyone know if the Cisco Aironet 350 series PCI card works under FreeBSD-STABLE ? >From what I can see in GENERIC and LINT, it looks like the 4500/4800 is supported as device an. Anyone know for sure though? TIA, -- - Wayne Pascoe Win if you can. Lose if you must. But always cheat! To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
-march k7
Quick questions about machine architecture setting getting picked up. I set my CPUTYPE = k7 in make.conf, but when I compile world or kernel, I see "-march k6". If I comment out this line, I see nothing, so I'm sure my make.conf is being read okay. And I grep'd the dir for any other k6 that might be cutting in, but nothing there. Any ideas? Thanks. -Daniel To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
TLS/LDAP/Postfix
Does anyone know why OpenLDAP would not be able to find SSLeay_add_ssl_algorithms in OpenSSL? checking for openssl/ssl.h... yes checking for ssl.h... no checking for SSLeay_add_ssl_algorithms in -lssl... no checking for SSL_library_init in -lssl... yes This then in turn messes with a Postfix install which can't find the TLS functions that appear to come from that library Any help on this would be greatly appreciated! -Daniel To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
ldconfig question
Something odd here just started happening. I realize the ldconfig is run on startup to rebuild the library list. And some ports have to add their lib path to this list, for example mysql. Well, now, everytime I reboot, mysql is getting cleaned out of this list. I haven't noticed this before, am I just missing something stupid? How can I make these changes stick? Thanks! -Daniel To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
Re: ldconfig question
Bah! Okay, stupid me. I had tracked it to ldconfig_paths in rc, but wasn't seeing where that was coming from. Of course, rc.conf in /etc/default. Sorry. - Original Message - From: "Daniel Goepp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 5:04 PM Subject: ldconfig question > Something odd here just started happening. I realize the ldconfig is run on > startup to rebuild the library list. And some ports have to add their lib > path to this list, for example mysql. Well, now, everytime I reboot, mysql > is getting cleaned out of this list. I haven't noticed this before, am I > just missing something stupid? How can I make these changes stick? > > Thanks! > > -Daniel > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
Apache with fp and ssl
Hopefully an easy question here... I have installed apache13-fp, and it is working fine. However, I would also like to compile in ssl support, but that only appears to be included in one of the apache-ssl ports. I would like both, but that doesn't appear to be an option. Anyone have any ideas on how I might compile apache13-fp with ssl support? Thanks in advance for any help... -Daniel To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
Re: Apache with fp and ssl
Thanks for the info, I tried this first, but there appears to be a problem if you don't compile fp in using the source. Something about the way the DSO loads. I got a message from someone else recommending a raw install, not from the port. I guess this is the option I will try next. Thanks. -Daniel - Original Message - From: "Matthew Seaman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 1:23 PM Subject: Re: Apache with fp and ssl > On Sun, Feb 02, 2003 at 12:52:32PM -0500, Daniel Goepp wrote: > > > I have installed apache13-fp, and it is working fine. However, I would also > > like to compile in ssl support, but that only appears to be included in one > > of the apache-ssl ports. I would like both, but that doesn't appear to be > > an option. Anyone have any ideas on how I might compile apache13-fp with > > ssl support? > > Try installing the www/apache-modssl and then the www/mod_frontpage ports. > > Cheers, > > Matthew > > -- > Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 26 The Paddocks > Savill Way > PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Marlow > Tel: +44 1628 476614 Bucks., SL7 1TH UK > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
Re: BIND 8/9
I'm glad that someone else is questioning the way this works. The last time I brought this up, people responded in a similar way of "just ignore it". Which to me is bad system administration. It's not necessarily about disk space, but more about being a responsible operator. For example, if it was a security application that we were talking about instead, leaving around old versions, with security holes, would be considered dangerous. And beyond that, is it not presumptuous to think that all users want programs like bind on every machine? I understand the need to integrate contributed software to a core install, but why do this without giving options about how to control it? So in a more general sense, does anyone know what the planned future is for better control of what is and isn't installed? - Original Message - From: "Daniel Bye" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 10:20 AM Subject: Re: BIND 8/9 > On Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 10:03:11AM -0500, Dan Delaney wrote: > > Hello all. I have a few questions about BIND on FreeBSD. > > > > 1) Since BIND 8 comes in the base installation of FreeBSD (4.8 and 5), > > why is there a BIND 8 port in the ports collection? > > Don't know, but I guess it's so you can install it with different options > than the one in the base system. > > > > > 2) Why doesn't FreeBSD 5 come with BIND 9 in the base installation > > instead of BIND 8? Is there some problem with BIND 9 that I'm not aware > > of? > > Don't know this either... > > > > > 3) If I install BIND 9 from the ports collection, can I uninstall BIND > > 8 off of my system? > > You shouldn't need to - the version form the ports gets installed in > /usr/local/. All you need to do is define named_program in /etc/rc.conf, > and the system will do the right thing. The amount of disk space you > would save by removing named and all associated libs and docs is minimal. > > If you really want rid of it, you can remove it all, install the BIND9 > port, and make sure not to build BIND8 next time you do a buildworld, > by setting NO_BIND=true in /etc/make.conf. > > Dan > > -- > Daniel Bye > > PGP Key: ftp://ftp.slightlystrange.org/pgpkey/dan.asc > PGP Key fingerprint: 3D73 AF47 D448 C5CA 88B4 0DCF 849C 1C33 3C48 2CDC > _ > ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) > - against HTML, vCards and X > - proprietary attachments in e-mail / \ > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
