Re: [Freeciv-Dev] explorers can pillage. a bug?
On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 12:09 AM, Madeline Book madeline.b...@gmail.com wrote: On 1/10/09, Brandon Van Every bvanev...@gmail.com wrote: I could understand if a worker can pillage, but not an explorer. This is just how the game rules have always been, and I don't particularly mind. Maybe a ruleset setting could be made that controls whether non-worker civilian units can pillage. Whether explorers can pillage or not, pillaging inside another player's territory during cease-fire, armistice, or peace should be a treaty violation. During alliance it's debatable, as there may be a tactical reason to do it. Cheers, Brandon Van Every ___ Freeciv-dev mailing list Freeciv-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/freeciv-dev
[Freeciv-Dev] explorers can pillage. a bug?
I learned that in the default rules an explorer can pillage. This strikes me as a bug. Why should a non-military unit, able to move through a peaceful border, be allowed to pillage? Or does peace itself prevent pillaging? Anyways, seems like an awfully tough explorer. Big work crew following him? I could understand if a worker can pillage, but not an explorer. Cheers, Brandon Van Every ___ Freeciv-dev mailing list Freeciv-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/freeciv-dev
Re: [Freeciv-Dev] compilers that aren't C99
On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 5:52 PM, Vasco Alexandre da Silva Costa vasco.co...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 8:55 PM, Brandon Van Every bvanev...@gmail.com wrote: One could argue that GNU is C centric, being obsessed with the ability to bring up programs on all systems, no matter how obscure. Also, most advanced languages that are not C++, like Scheme or Lisp or OCaml or whatnot, have a much easier time talking to C. Actually, GCC usually supports C++ features before they are implemented in Visual Studio. By GNU I meant the Free Software Foundation. I think they are C centric, due to the tools they are trying to advance. Disagree? Cheers, Brandon Van Every ___ Freeciv-dev mailing list Freeciv-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/freeciv-dev
Re: [Freeciv-Dev] debugging with Eclipse on Windows
On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 12:06 AM, Brandon Van Every bvanev...@gmail.com wrote: SPECLIST has still got me stuck. Blah VC9 C requires __inline Cheers, Brandon Van Every ___ Freeciv-dev mailing list Freeciv-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/freeciv-dev
[Freeciv-Dev] compilers that aren't C99
I've got some of a Microsoft Visual Studio 2008 build of Freeciv working. I've run into an impediment, however: VC9 does not support variable length arrays. http://connect.microsoft.com/VisualStudio/feedback/ViewFeedback.aspx?FeedbackID=333273 VLAs are part of the C99 standard, so you can say Microsoft is the bad guy here. My question is whether you're willing to support the bad guy's compiler. Or, put another way, compilers that aren't GCC and aren't C99. I could make all the needed changes, but there would be little point if they won't ever be accepted. Cheers, Brandon Van Every ___ Freeciv-dev mailing list Freeciv-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/freeciv-dev
Re: [Freeciv-Dev] compilers that aren't C99
On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 3:08 PM, Marko Lindqvist cazf...@gmail.com wrote: I have been told that VisualStudio lacks several C99 features (and has incompatible implementation for some, I believe) simply because it's not even meant to be C compiler. It's an C++ compiler. I don't think meant to be is quite the right turn of phrase, since it is a C compiler. Rather, as noted in that wontfix notice, Microsoft feels that its customers are C++ centric. So they put their development resources into that, and not C99. I must admit, C++ having far more users than C is an argument with some weight. Especially in the game industry: C is done for some things, but C++ is the primary resume skill. You may not care about resume skills around here, but a lot of people feel that kind of justification is important for what projects they work on. I have wondered how Freeciv is strictly C might impede developer retention. One could argue that GNU is C centric, being obsessed with the ability to bring up programs on all systems, no matter how obscure. Also, most advanced languages that are not C++, like Scheme or Lisp or OCaml or whatnot, have a much easier time talking to C. Cheers, Brandon Van Every ___ Freeciv-dev mailing list Freeciv-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/freeciv-dev
[Freeciv-Dev] debugging with Eclipse on Windows
Anyone knowledgeable on how to debug Freeciv using Eclipse? I'm using Cygwin on Vista. I had to dump MinGW because MSYS Make 3.81 is defective for Windows paths with colons in them, i.e. C:\blah. It makes Eclipse and other JDK toolchains barf. Cygwin Make 3.81 is also defective, but I was able to find a patched version at http://www.cmake.org/files/cygwin/ . I have been able to build Freeciv inside Eclipse using the Autotools plugin. I installed the end result, and it does run under an X terminal outside of Eclipse. Now I'm trying to figure out how to debug the darned thing. I installed civclient.exe into the Cygwin file system and have successfully imported it into an Eclipse debug configuration. However, all I can achieve at this point is an app that doesn't know where an X terminal is. Perhaps I am making progress and it's only a matter of time before I bang this out, but I thought I'd ask if anyone here knows the ropes. Client, Server, X terminal, Cygwin Unix layer, all quite a mess. Cheers, Brandon Van Every ___ Freeciv-dev mailing list Freeciv-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/freeciv-dev
Re: [Freeciv-Dev] debugging with Eclipse on Windows
On Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Brandon Van Every bvanev...@gmail.com wrote: However, all I can achieve at this point is an app that doesn't know where an X terminal is. Perhaps I am making progress and it's only a matter of time before I bang this out, but I thought I'd ask if anyone here knows the ropes. Client, Server, X terminal, Cygwin Unix layer, all quite a mess. I got farther by starting a Cygwin shell, starting X within the Cygwin shell, then starting Eclipse within X. Now I've got a civclient that can't seem to conjure a civserver. More pathnames perhaps... Cheers, Brandon Van Every ___ Freeciv-dev mailing list Freeciv-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/freeciv-dev
Re: [Freeciv-Dev] debugging with Eclipse on Windows
On Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 11:05 AM, Brandon Van Every bvanev...@gmail.com wrote: I got farther by starting a Cygwin shell, starting X within the Cygwin shell, then starting Eclipse within X. Now I've got a civclient that can't seem to conjure a civserver. More pathnames perhaps... I tried MSYS again, starting Eclipse from inside MSYS. The Eclipse Autotools plugin simply doesn't work properly with it. It calls out to sh using ordinary Windows pathnames. The \ are eliminated as the arguments are passed, resulting in errors. Bottom line is the Eclipse Autotools plugin is not ready for prime time with MSYS. I'm going to try building Freeciv outside of Eclipse, then just debugging the final installed civclient.exe. At this point I'm really only trying to trace Freeciv to see how it works. Running config.status sh C:\Users\bvanevery\workspace\freemsys\build\config.status C:\Users\bvanevery\workspace\freemsys\build\config.status: line 890: cd: C:Usersbvaneveryworkspacefreemsys: No such file or directory C:\Users\bvanevery\workspace\freemsys\build\config.status: line 891: cd: C:Usersbvaneveryworkspacefreemsys: No such file or directory config.status: creating Makefile config.status: error: cannot find input file: Makefile.in Configuration failed with error Cheers, Brandon Van Every ___ Freeciv-dev mailing list Freeciv-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/freeciv-dev
[Freeciv-Dev] music
I was made aware of various FTP resources. I noticed there's a ftp://ftp.freeciv.org/freeciv/contrib/audio/music/ directory with a lot of tunes that I've never heard in a Freeciv game. Were these intended to get into the game somehow? What happened? Is only SDL client capable of it and the client isn't mature enough? Are there licensing issues with the music? Did someone just fall asleep? People are too picky about the tunes? They sound good enough to me. Cheers, Brandon Van Every ___ Freeciv-dev mailing list Freeciv-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/freeciv-dev
Re: [Freeciv-Dev] freeciv 2.1.8
On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 7:41 AM, Per Inge Mathisen per.mathi...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 4:06 AM, Auel Neider auelneide...@gmail.com wrote: hi, im very like with your game. but unfortunately, freeciv 2.1.8 made my system crashed. im using mandriva 2009.0 It seems rather unlikely that Freeciv would have anything to do with such a crash. The window system and the kernel would not permit Freeciv to take down the rest of the system in the event of a failure inside Freeciv itself. The only issue could be if you play in fullscreen mode, and somehow it gets stuck in that state in the event of an error, but I do not know much about that since I never play in fullscreen mode. I disagree. Freeciv 2.1.8 windowed GTK client froze me out of my Windows Vista system the other day, while playing multiplayer. Mouse pointer simply stopped responding. I was shocked. I had to hard reboot. I have no other history of freezes on my system. Could it be some kind of GTK deadlock? Other thing that happens in GTK, with 100% predictability, is after it's been running a long time the GUI windows start painting garbage. About 10 seconds later the app freezes. Vista terminates this just fine, it's pretty much gotten to be a routine. I have no exact reproducer for the problem though, so I haven't filed a bug report. Something is definitely unhealthy in GTK land though. Some kind of resource leak. Cheers, Brandon Van Every ___ Freeciv-dev mailing list Freeciv-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/freeciv-dev
[Freeciv-Dev] Windows Installer source code
I am looking for the source code to produce the Windows Installer. Specifically with the GTK2 client. I look through the source tarball I downloaded and I don't find it. I was able to successfully build Freeciv in a MSYS environment, but the installation is stuck in that environment, dependent on the user running MSYS. I want all the .dlls to get installed in the app directory so that it's standalone, so that I can test how it would behave for a Windows end user. I figure someone has already got those sources / scripts somewhere, they are just not in source control? It would be nice to have them publically available so that other people can reproduce and test the build. I know you Unixen are used to having every single imaginable library as a readily installed package and centrally shared for all apps, but Windows culture is exactly the opposite. No packages for open source libraries, no sharing, every app replicates its own libraries and doesn't trust anyone else to provide versions of them. Sure there is Cygwin but that's not Windows. I did get a MinGW/MSYS build system together, with a fair amount of manual labor installing libraries. Actually I updated the Install-Windows wiki page a bit, if anyone noticed. http://freeciv.wikia.com/wiki/Install-Windows Mostly, life is easier if you grab the all-in-one GTK+ stack. Cheers, Brandon Van Every ___ Freeciv-dev mailing list Freeciv-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/freeciv-dev
