Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS Interim Build T2210

[Maarten Vermeulen]

On Sat, 1 Oct 2022, 16:49 Jerome Shidel,  wrote:

>
> As I see it, this leaves us with 3 choices:
>
> 1) Drop nearly 300mb of packages from the CD.
> 2) Do nothing and call it a DVD
> 3) Move all development related packages onto their own disc. Have DevelCD
> and seperate BonusCD.
>

In my view, at some point, FreeDOS should recognize that it is only an OS
distribution. It does not befall the task of providing the user with all
programs possibly available for the OS. Therefore, in my opinion, option 1
is the most sensible solution.
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Re: [Freedos-devel] "FreeDOS Next" packages

[Maarten Vermeulen]

I never really say anything here, but I feel like I should here.

I do agree with Mike here. When I install a DOS, I just want it to be DOS,
so I always install just the base option with FreeDOS. Having less packages
also means you have more control over the software and the project.

Yes, you have the choice between installing base, full, etc. However, if
you install full, you will get a lot of stuff that you will probably never
use. So the packaging people here are taking a lot of effort to make extra
sure more people will use less of their packaging work.

There is some chart, I believe it's a bit of a joke, but it shows that
people only use like 10% of any software on a regular basis. That is a low
amount. And if that's already the case with base (which for me it is), then
how about full?

Like Mike said, isn't it easier to just offer base and then provide a
repository with open source packages that people can choose from? It also
offers control over the project. And then there's the added benefit that
people who install the software from that repository, always get the newest
release of that software.

Also, if someone has some proprietary text editor they really like, and
want to use it, it won't be in full. Those people will never install full,
because they will get six other editors installed on their system too. Or
they will, and they'll get those six other editors which they will never
use and are now using up precious disk space.

When I use FreeDOS, I feel like a lot of choices are made FOR me. That's
not how I think software should be. Certainly not DOS. Six editors
installed with full? Why? Who is going to use all six editors? What is the
chance that someone will choose not to use those editors? Why does FreeDOS
choose my editors for me? I know I can choose not to use them, but they are
installed now, so what do I do? Delete them? You're introducing a lot of
extra work and thinking steps for the user this way.

Even Windows 10, which installs games and software on first start-up, that
no one has asked for, at least is nice enough to install only one from each
category.

If you want one package from full, you have to install the entire category
and uninstall the rest, or uncheck them from a screen. I don't want to.

There are a lot of people that use FreeDOS just because it's a DOS, and not
because it's libre or free. Libre also means freedom. To me that also
refers to having the libre to choose your own packages.

Less is more.

- Maarten

PS: I used editors in my examples but pick any category you like.
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Re: [Freedos-devel] Update to MKEYB Russian Keymaps.

[Maarten Vermeulen]

On Sun, Jan 19, 2020, 19:25 tom ehlert  wrote:

>
>
> contact me direct, and chances are actually quite good.
> contact me over 3 billiard board(cushion?) (different bug report, Jerome,
> 24
> months), and chances are quite low.
>
> after https://sourceforge.net/p/freedos/bugs/229/ and 9 months without
> feedback my motivation to fix this is low.
>
> I can't "look at that" because I have not the faintest clue what a
> russian keyboard looks like, and if my incorporation is good, or
> causes problems. And I am not waiting again 9 months for feedback.
>

You know, it's actually quite easy to get answers to most of your questions
or things-you-need-to-know-to-help-people-sending-a-bug-report nowadays.
You can simply search for 'russian keyboard' on [insert search engine here]
and you know what a Russian keyboard looks like. Some results, for example:

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81hBz1r-RcL._AC_SX425_.jpg

or

https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1KcSqSXaqXVXXq6xXFXXXF/2pcs-lot-Computer-Russian-Keyboard-Film-Notebook-Green-Stickers-Keyboard-covers-Letters-Desktop-Laptop-Russia-Layout.jpg

The other reasons of why you do not want to take a look at it are
acceptable, so don't kill me for saying that all of your reasons are bad.
That's not what I'm saying.


> last, but not least: would this count as 'contribute to FreeDOS', and
> deserve a patreon reward?
>

I hope not.
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Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS is 25 years old

[Maarten Vermeulen]

Congratulations on 25 years of FreeDOS! :)

On Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 20:46 Tom Ehlert  wrote:

>
> unfortunately it looks like there are now more milestones ahead then
> bug fixes. (...)


Of course, there's always that ONE person who tries (or succeeds without
trying) to ruin the party. Congrats to you for being the first and only...
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Re: [Freedos-devel] slow FreeDOS install - was: FreeDOS 1.2-RC1 onHyper-V 2012 R2

[Maarten Vermeulen]

Never mind! It was indeed a problem with only the booting CD's, I did
something wrong I guess

2016-11-16 18:31 GMT+01:00 Jerome Shidel :

>
>
> On Nov 16, 2016, at 9:04 AM,  
> wrote:
>
> I know it’s in first boot order. It also boots first.
>
>
> Try just booting the FD12FLOPPY, then don't connect the CD until you are
> greeted by the installer. Don't use the boot.img on the CD.
>
> Humm, at present only booting the CD under VirtualBox should not
> immediately return to the prompt with a warning message. No other boot
> media should do that. It is possible I pushed the CDs floppy image as
> FD12FLOPPY, I will have to check later.
>
> The installer is identical across all versions. Only the booted FDCONFIG
> and AUTOEXEC vary. The installer only drops out with the message when
> VirrualBOx is detected and it was passed a specific command line option.
> This only happens when the CD is booted.
>
> Jerome
>
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Re: [Freedos-devel] slow FreeDOS install - was: FreeDOS 1.2-RC1 on Hyper-V 2012 R2

[Maarten Vermeulen]

Hi,


Op woensdag 16 november 2016 heeft Jerome E. Shidel Jr. 
het volgende geschreven:
>
>
> @echo on in the batch files to the rescue. :)
>
> That would be a very painful experience.
>
> I assume you booted the the CD-ROM and on boot the installer through you
straight to the command line with a message that warned you that you should
not install it on that platform using that media.

Yes, it did that... However I also tried to boot from a floppy and it
said/did the same. Maybe that's the problem of my system.

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Re: [Freedos-devel] slow FreeDOS install - was: FreeDOS 1.2-RC1 on Hyper-V 2012 R2

[Maarten Vermeulen]

Hi all,

Maybe it is good to give some extra information, if it helps:
It hangs, the only thing it does is making the temporary folder. After it
has done that, it will
sit an hour doing nothing (as far as I can see). That's why I think it
hangs at least.

I am using Virtualbox version 5.0.24 r108355, for if that's interesting...
Anyway, I tried to install it on a .vhd and a .vdi virtual harddrive it
happend on both. My system is just a single core CPU, with 32MB RAM and a
500MiB hdd.


I will look if I can find a solution to this on my own.

Maarten

2016-11-15 19:33 GMT+01:00 Eric Auer :

>
> Hi everybody, update on the 2 Nov mail by Matthew:
>
> > The release candidate announcement encouraged people to try FreeDOS out
> > and report any problems, so here I am to say that I successfully booted
> > and installed 1.2-RC1 in a generation-1 Hyper-V 2012 R2 virtual machine
> > using the ISO image.  I pretty much took the defaults for everything
> > except RAM, which I set to 32 MB (the minimum allowed by Hyper-V), and
> > storage, which I set to 40 GB.  The installation took a long
> > time---several hours, although I didn't measure it carefully.
>
> This matches some observation by Maarten during a FreeDOS install:
>
> The installation spends a LONG time while displaying the text
> "gathering information". Question about the installer: What
> does that step do and are there ways to optimize it? I could
> imagine that it tries to compare existing file versions to
> the to-be-installed versions. This could be made faster by
> making a directory listing of the old DOS installation once,
> then keeping it in RAM (or in a file) while checking which
> packages are up to date and which are not. Educated guesses.
>
> Cheers, Eric
>
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Re: [Freedos-devel] Getting ready for FreeDOS 1.2

[Maarten Vermeulen]

Op zaterdag 22 oktober 2016 heeft Tom Ehlert  het
volgende geschreven:
> Dear Marten!

Haha! Is my name that difficult, you're the 5th person on this list to
write my name wrong. :)


> but:
>
> when changing the topic, please change the subject of your mail

Sorry, didn't think about that... I think I automatically replied on this
one (without thinking that much) because of 'report any bugs', but I should
have done that... Sorry.


> when changing the topic, please don't full quote some topic (keyboard
> layout issues) that is entirely unrelated to your topic.

That should be very logical! No, I am going to make the topic "ever heard
of a living stone?"
While talking about FreeDOS. :)

Wow, that's a bad one.

>
> even dutch kids should follow a minimum of netiquette.

The only thing that happend was me not thinking about a subject. :(
I didn't do anything else. *crying*

Those two were jokes. But why that comment? Should be very very logical.
But that's just me.

Anyway, sorry for not changing the subject.

Maarten





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Re: [Freedos-devel] Designing Effective OOH

[Maarten Vermeulen]

Op dinsdag 26 juli 2016 heeft Jim Hall geschreven:
> I haven't seen this user post before, so I think a bot subscribed to
> the list just to send spam. I've unsubscribed the email address. If it
> reappears and sends more spam, we'll ban it.

I know for sure it's a bot! :p
The way it writes is not something a human would do. From one subject to
another, not making much sense and no formatting of the text (no
paragraphs). Most humans would make paragraphs, while switching from
subject.

That's all, I think it was already clear without my saying, though.

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Re: [Freedos-devel] making himemx and jemmex more foolproof on old bios versions

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I looked at int 15h lately, int 15h is not supported on older BIOS versions
but every BIOS has it in the time called now. :)

Error code 86h means "function not supported" and if you get 80h it means
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Op woensdag 20 juli 2016 heeft Eric Auer  het volgende
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>
> Hi experts,
>
> some interesting observations about an old 486 PC in the thread
> with Dimitris about "Which freedos on 486" on freedos-user...
>
> His BIOS answers with AH=86h, carry=UNCHANGED to int 15.e801,
> also leaving AL unchanged. So it seems to be a good idea to
> STC before INT 15 when doing the 15.e801 call :-) Note that
> AH=86 is a common failure code for int 15 functions. I would
> also suggest to, in addition, treat AH=UNCHANGED as failure.
>
> Another issue is that RBIL says for this call that if AX=BX=0,
> one should use CX and DX as memory size info instead. However,
> DOSEMU only sets AX and BX and returns CX=DX=0 while FreeDOS
> HIMEMX and JEMMEX both look ONLY at CX and DX, without even
> checking for AX and BX! Luckily DOSEMU also supports the two
> other int 15 calls for memory info afair, but it seems tricky
> that DOSEMU and FreeDOS disagree about 15.e801, no?
>
> Also, it is interesting that the FreeDOS drivers say that if
> CX is not 3c00 (the max value) then DX must be treated as 0.
>
> This sounds like "memory hole below 16 MB means end of RAM"?
>
> Finally, JEMMEX and HIMEMX both say "if CX plus scaled DX < 64
> then fall back to 15.88", which is a somewhat weird way to say
> "if CX and DX are both 0".
>
> RBIL writes about int 15.88 versus the carry flag:
>
>> the standard BIOS only returns memory between 1MB and 16MB; use AH=C7h
>> for memory beyond 16MB
>
>> not all BIOSes correctly return the carry flag, making this call
>> unreliable unless one first checks whether it is supported through
>> a mechanism other than calling the function and testing CF
>
> Interestingly, JEMMEX and HIMEMX decide to trust int 15.88
> even if it leaves carry unchanged: They CLC before int 15.
>
> I think it would be a good idea to check if AH=80, 86 or 88
> after the int 15 call even if carry is not set, as all those
> values would be possible return values if int 15.88 failed.
>
> What is confusing: JEMMEX works on the mentioned 486, while
> HIMEMX does not work, not even with /NOABOVE16 and /X, why?
>
> Regards, Eric
>
> PS: In theory, int 15.c7 would also be a possible call to get
> info about memory beyond the first 16 MB without 15.e??? BIOS
> support, but that would only help for a very specific group
> of PS/2 machines identified by int 15.c0 - not very useful.
>
> PPS: The same PC also fails to boot from FAT32 with any SYS
> newer than 2.6, so SYS apparently sees LBA support while it
> does not really boot later? See freedos-user, still ongoing.
> Unclear regarding SYS 3.6e /FORCE:LBA and /FORCE:CHS options.
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Re: [Freedos-devel] Problems on website?

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Hi,

I've been on the freedos.org website yesterday. No problems seen, it all
worked. And I looked now again and it still has no problems...




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>
> I haven't seen any issues, but I was just notified that Amazon's "EC2 has
detected degradation of the underlying hardware hosting your Amazon EC2
instance." So they are advising me to set up a fresh instance on another
"AMI" (virtual server) to host the website. If I'm reading the email right,
Amazon says I should do this by the end of the month before they shut down
the server that's running my virtual server.
>
> (This seems weird to me as one benefit of virtual servers is you can
automatically move them off failing servers to other servers, without the
virtual server's owner being aware. But maybe I didn't buy into that level
of service; I'm running the low-cost instance.)
>
> Just wanted to see if anyone was having problems, and share that if you
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Re: [Freedos-devel] FDI remaining issue

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Those 3&4 , prompting we can translate. That’s bo problem because it’s writing. 
For me the question remains after that: What is easier?
3&4 you shouldn’t worry about translating. Also if this is not translated it 
isn’t a problem either. Microsoft doesn’t translate their BSOD to dutch. This 
maybe be an incorrect comparison but it’s to give you an idea. FreeDOS 1.0 had 
full language support, for my language but the date and time command weren’t 
translated. What I want to say with this is, don’t worry about those prompting 
and translating, it will be just fine! :)

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PS: Sorry, Jerome this was meant to be on the list. So you have 2 of the same 
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Van: Jerome E. Shidel Jr.
Verzonden: zaterdag 20 februari 2016 23:20
Aan: Technical discussion and questions for FreeDOS developers.
Onderwerp: [Freedos-devel] FDI remaining issue

Hello all, 

Preview 13 testing is still underway. So far, I have not received any reports of
major bugs or serious hiccups. However, there is one serious issue that is yet
to be resolved to my satisfaction. The MBR issue. When incompatible boot code 
already is present  or if the USB image is drive C: (targeting D:), post 
install 
fails to boot. Since it shouldn’t blast existing boot code, I guess the first 
situation 
is ok. However, the second is more tricky. Why is sys not updating the MBR?
If you force it with /BOOT or other option, you will run into the first problem.

As I see it, there are 4 solutions.

1) Don’t worry about it. Let the user fix it.
2) Write a program to figure out drive letter and test MBR, Blank force new, 
Exists leave it alone.
3) Like 2, except if it exists prompt user to blast it.
4) Don’t worry about it. But, always prompt user in advanced mode.


1 easiest solution

2 & 3 are a bit of a pain and require figuring out what drive and partition the 
kernel has assigned
to a specific drive letter. 

3 & 4 easy, but will require some more prompting and language translations.

Thanks in advance.

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Re: [Freedos-devel] FDI remaining issue

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There is a typo there ‘bo’ needs to be ‘no’. Sorry

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Van: Maarten Vermeulen
Verzonden: zondag 21 februari 2016 00:57
Aan: Jerome E. Shidel Jr.
Onderwerp: RE: [Freedos-devel] FDI remaining issue

Those 3&4 , prompting we can translate. That’s bo problem because it’s writing. 
For me the question remains after that: What is easier?
3&4 you shouldn’t worry about translating. Also if this is not translated it 
isn’t a problem either. Microsoft doesn’t translate their BSOD to dutch. This 
maybe be an incorrect comparison but it’s to give you an idea. FreeDOS 1.0 had 
full language support, for my language but the date and time command weren’t 
translated. What I want to say with this is, don’t worry about those prompting 
and translating, it will be just fine! :)

Maarten



Van: Jerome E. Shidel Jr.
Verzonden: zaterdag 20 februari 2016 23:20
Aan: Technical discussion and questions for FreeDOS developers.
Onderwerp: [Freedos-devel] FDI remaining issue

Hello all, 

Preview 13 testing is still underway. So far, I have not received any reports of
major bugs or serious hiccups. However, there is one serious issue that is yet
to be resolved to my satisfaction. The MBR issue. When incompatible boot code 
already is present  or if the USB image is drive C: (targeting D:), post 
install 
fails to boot. Since it shouldn’t blast existing boot code, I guess the first 
situation 
is ok. However, the second is more tricky. Why is sys not updating the MBR?
If you force it with /BOOT or other option, you will run into the first problem.

As I see it, there are 4 solutions.

1) Don’t worry about it. Let the user fix it.
2) Write a program to figure out drive letter and test MBR, Blank force new, 
Exists leave it alone.
3) Like 2, except if it exists prompt user to blast it.
4) Don’t worry about it. But, always prompt user in advanced mode.


1 easiest solution

2 & 3 are a bit of a pain and require figuring out what drive and partition the 
kernel has assigned
to a specific drive letter. 

3 & 4 easy, but will require some more prompting and language translations.

Thanks in advance.

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Re: [Freedos-devel] An idea???

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“Anyway, my shell project (as of my last firing it up a couple years ago) 
basically launches, (..) I still have the Watcom source around if you want to 
check it out or use it as a starting base.”

Give me!!! :p 

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Van: Mercury Thirteen
Verzonden: vrijdag 19 februari 2016 05:51
Aan: Technical discussion and questions for FreeDOS developers.
Onderwerp: Re: [Freedos-devel] An idea???

This was my intent for many years. Eventually I shelved the project because it 
a shell simply can't do all I wanted it to; I needed to go more low-level for 
that. At its heart, DOS (MS-, IBM-, Free- or otherwise) is a single tasking OS. 
What this means is that you can make a shell program to replace the command 
interpreter but when you launch a program, everything else stops until that 
program exits. This kinda breaks the functionality which one may think putting 
a shell atop DOS would achieve. If you're basically making a file manager, then 
that's quite doable and you'd basically end up with a Windows 3.x clone. Well, 
I shouldn't say clone per se, because I hope you'd give it a much better 
interface than that of that eyesore.

In theory you could develop small apps (and even run them multitasked) for a 
shell. Basically you'd include in your shell a rudimentary virtual machine 
which would execute bytecode a'la Java. What this bytecode would be is 
completely up to you. Do you make a custom bytecode which is powerful and 
compact yet not understood by any existing development tools out there? Do you 
make the bytecode basically a direct ripoff of the x86 instruction set, 
enabling you to run small programs compiled by anything from NASM to 
QuickBASIC? Do you say screw it and just make a whole new kernel which will 
handle all this fanciness at a hardware level as it was meant to be? These are 
all issues you'd have to address if you took this route. Granted, the virtual 
machine approach would require lots of patience and time to implement, but it 
can be done. Don't ask me how I know lol

Anyway, my shell project (as of my last firing it up a couple years ago) 
basically launches, does some environment probing, sets up some structures and 
then sits in a loop where you can access a menu and test out the various 
features and such. There's code for handling VESA mode switching, drawing in 
and manipulating off-screen memory buffers known as pixmaps, text string 
manipulation, mouse polling, direct LBA disk access and even the tiny 
beginnings of PCI bus probing. I still have the Watcom source around if you 
want to check it out or use it as a starting base.

So far as your question, a 16-bit shell can load whatever graphics formats it's 
been programmed to handle. The biggest hang-up to doing so is the screen mode 
situation under DOS. There's a good chance you're going to want graphics which 
don't look blocky and colors depth beyond 256. If that's true, then your code 
needs to use VESA. Doing so gives you access to smooth animation, millions of 
colors and high resolutions (up to 1600 x 1200, I believe), all of which you 
normally can't have under plain DOS. I have 16-bit code (some written from 
scratch, some retooled from public domain works) to load and save images in 
jpg, bmp, pcx, gif (and a few other) formats. Although it's not all been ported 
to Watcom as of yet, it may come in handy for you as well. Images can be quite 
large and working with them can therefore involve large amounts of data, so I 
would definitely recommend using speedy 32-bit Watcom code (and the 
access-to-gobs-of-memory associated with it) for this kind of work.

Others have given many nice examples of DOS GUI software but I didn't see Qube 
mentioned. I'm not sure if it was ever released or whatever, but I think it 
certainly is a nice looking addition to the list. Make your shell sport an 
interface like that, and you just may have something. :) Also, our own Chelson 
works on DOSCore (formerly OZone, I believe), so he may be a valuable resource 
to you as well. Small world, eh?

Personally, while I may not use a GUI much for my DOS needs, I still think it 
would be nice to see FreeDOS get this addition because... well, you know why. ;)
On 2/17/2016 3:19 PM, Maarten Vermeulen wrote:
Hi all,
 
It’s not really about FreeDOS… but it has something to do with it. :)
I thought that maybe if you all like the idea, I could make a GUI shell. It 
would be exclusive of course. Though, It will be especially for FreeDOS. And 
maybe also MS-DOS and Night DOS. It’s a sort of a vote. Would you like the idea 
of a new GUI shell? Something new, newer then the old original (still nice) 
Windows shells (Windows 1.0; 1.10; 2.0 etc.). I liked the idea, but if no one 
likes the idea it’s a bit of a pointless t

Re: [Freedos-devel] GUI shell

[Maarten Vermeulen]

My plan was from the beginning to make a GUI file manager. Nothing difficult 
only ‘simple’ because my other project, named by the signature, has sometimes a 
moment where I am stuck. At that moment I want to do something else something 
easier so that I can clear my mind for a bit. And I really need that, but I 
need such things by everything.. Even school. :)
Not because it’s too difficult but because of my concentration
Anyway, thank you!

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Van: Rugxulo
Verzonden: donderdag 18 februari 2016 23:00
Aan: Technical discussion and questions for FreeDOS developers.
Onderwerp: Re: [Freedos-devel] GUI shell

Hi,

On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 1:52 AM, Mateusz Viste  wrote:
>
> As most people that responded yet, I do not use GUI stuff on DOS, hence
> such application would be useless to me.

Most of us don't, probably because it's hard to automate (script)
things that way.

> GUI projects were probably
> interesting back in 1992, when people were *forced* to use DOS, and many
> wished some easy colourful interface. But today, the only people still
> using DOS are these that likes DOS for what it is - ie. a single-task,
> text-mode shell.

Well, yes, GUIs are somewhat catering to noobs.  :-)   But they can
sometimes be beneficial as well. Of course, a lot of that can
similarly be accomplished with TUI.

> Anyway, myself - I wouldn't ever use such GUI. If you're looking for
> ideas for a DOS project, then there is one particular thing that I would
> be thrilled to use in DOS (and that I plan to create myself one day,
> when time allows, unless someone fills the gap before): an open-source
> (BSD, GPL or PD) equivalent of the excellent SEA DOS Viewer program.

I think we (briefly) discussed some alternatives once before. Yeah,
there is no perfect answer (although Blocek can view many images as
well, and at least it's free/libre; never did find all the obscure
PacePlayer sources, ugh).

> That is, a very fast, multi-format image viewer with a nice UI, scaling
> capabilities and some embedded conversion tools.

It seems we can't agree on what exactly is in a UI. For instance, are
we viewing graphics? Clickable, runnable icons (a la menu)? Or just
browsing files (file manager)? Integrated apps (drag and drop,
clipboard)?

So I don't know what we're trying to accomplish here. It's not a bad
idea, but indeed it's probably best to study pre-existing solutions
unless you know exactly what you want to do.

P.S. One GUI that I didn't see anyone mention is this (although I
never really tried it):

http://ozonegui.sourceforge.net/

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Re: [Freedos-devel] An idea???

[Maarten Vermeulen]

Okay, thank you! I will see what I get from it. :)
I will also do some research.

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Verzonden: donderdag 18 februari 2016 17:54
Aan: Technical discussion and questions for FreeDOS developers.
Onderwerp: Re: [Freedos-devel] An idea???

Forgot to mention NewDeal [0] and some other pre-Y2K GUIs [1].


[0] http://toastytech.com/guis/nd32.html
[1] http://toastytech.com/guis/index.html

On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 3:38 PM, Louis Santillan <lpsan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Maarten,
>
> You should familiarize yourself with what's already been done.
> OPENGEM/GEM [0], SEAL[1], DOSStart [2], others [3][4][5].
>
>
> [0] http://www.freedos.org/software/?prog=opengem
> [1] http://sealsystem.sourceforge.net/
> [2] 
> https://web.archive.org/web/20120818224825/http://www.icdc.com/~dnice/dosstart.html
> [3] http://www.pldos.pl/windos/spectra.htm
> [4] 
> https://web.archive.org/web/20080402084721/http://members.aol.com/aumenu/menudwn.html
> [5] http://members.quicknet.nl/blankendaalr/
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 12:19 PM, Maarten Vermeulen <netraa...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>>
>>
>> It’s not really about FreeDOS… but it has something to do with it. :)
>>
>> I thought that maybe if you all like the idea, I could make a GUI shell. It
>> would be exclusive of course. Though, It will be especially for FreeDOS. And
>> maybe also MS-DOS and Night DOS. It’s a sort of a vote. Would you like the
>> idea of a new GUI shell? Something new, newer then the old original (still
>> nice) Windows shells (Windows 1.0; 1.10; 2.0 etc.). I liked the idea, but if
>> no one likes the idea it’s a bit of a pointless thing. Also this will be a
>> second project, where I can work on when my other project (BirdOS) is paused
>> for a bit. Then I can wipe my mind for a bit.. :)
>>
>>
>>
>> Some things though:
>>
>>
>>
>> -  Can a 16-bit OS load bitmap images?
>>
>> -  Can, if the idea is voted as a yes, I ‘borrow the FreeDOS logo
>> for [1].
>>
>>
>>
>> [1] a ‘made for FreeDOS 1.2’ and ‘compatible with FreeDOS ‘1.1’
>> emblem/image. This will (maybe) be done with several OS’s.. It will be
>> especially for FreeDOS.
>>
>>
>>
>> Get the discussion going! :)
>>
>>
>>
>> -Maarten
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Freedos-devel] GUI shell

[Maarten Vermeulen]

Hi,

Well, my decision was to ask you all. What you all think is my decision. 
Because I do want to know what you all think of the idea. Because you given a 
answer saying “I, too, do not care much for a GUI shell”. This is good, if you 
all say that, that would be my decision. :)

Maarten



Van: Jose Antonio Senna
Verzonden: donderdag 18 februari 2016 00:28
Aan: Freedos Developers
Onderwerp: [Freedos-devel] GUI shell

Maarten Vermeulen said:

> It�s not really about FreeDOS� but it has something to do 
>with it. :)
> I thought that maybe if you all like the idea, I could make 
>a GUI shell. 

  I, too, do not care much for a GUI shell.

  I think instead that it would be much better if someone 
wrote a graphics API for DOS (something like Windows GDI) 
that could be loaded as a TSR and used by programs that need
graphics, for one weakness of DOS is that every program that
displays graphics (CAD, image viewers, drafting) has to 
provide its own functions to do so. 
 
  However, the decision is Maarten's, for it is him who 
 offered to do the work.
  
  JAS
 



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Re: [Freedos-devel] GUI shell - and ReactOS 0.4

[Maarten Vermeulen]

Okay, that maybe is something. The last option will maybe too difficult. But I 
don’t know that because I didn’t research, yet.
I will look for it.

Thank you,
Maarten

Van: Eric Auer
Verzonden: donderdag 18 februari 2016 01:27
Aan: Technical discussion and questions for FreeDOS developers.
Onderwerp: [Freedos-devel] GUI shell - and ReactOS 0.4


Hi Maarten,

whether you want to make a GUI shell depends on how happy
you are with the existing solutions. Also, it depends on
whether you mainly want to make a file manager (various,
at least free, sometimes open, solutions already exist)
or something where you can run graphical apps. Louis and
Jim already sent some pointers about the latter. If you
would invent a new GUI for apps, almost no apps would be
available for it, so it would not be very interesting...

The same holds for Jose's suggestion to make resident GUI
toolkit driver: Most apps simply use existing libraries,
so there is no need to invent something new. However, it
could be interesting to port frameworks (as has been done
for FLTK, maybe SDL) to DOS, making it easier to port apps.

https://sourceforge.net/projects/fltk-dos/files/

The current way to run SDL apps in DOS is to use HX RT:
SDL only uses a relatively small list of Win API calls.

You could also work on supporting a complete existing OS
with all apps - this is what HX DOS Extender (limited DOS
support for Windows apps), ReactOS and Wine are doing and
supporting some of the OS/2 API might give fun as well.

Note that your GUI would have nothing to do with FreeDOS
in particular. It would simply be an generic DOS app :-)

Regards, Eric


PS: Related news: www.bttr-software.de/forum/forum_entry.php?id=14646

On February 16, 2016, ReactOS 0.4.0 (alpha) was released.

Changes: "A much requested feature for ReactOS was support for 16bit DOS
applications. On Windows this support is provided by the NT Virtual DOS
Machine (NTVDM) and the ReactOS implementation of it was first formally
released in version 0.3.17. Needless to say since then the ReactOS NTVDM
has seen considerable improvement to the point where many of the testers
are sharing examples of old DOS games resurrected. And one of the
biggest advantages to the way in which NTVDM is implemented in ReactOS
is that support for it will continue on non IA-32 platforms, including
AMD64 and even ARM."

Website: https://www.reactos.org/

Downloads: https://www.reactos.org/download



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Re: [Freedos-devel] An idea???

[Maarten Vermeulen]

Hi,

Interesting what you all think of it. :)
I didn’t research, I first wanted to see what you all think of the idea. And 
actually it’s a bit of a mixed. But definitely some good reactions where there. 
OpenGEM is maybe an option, I will look for that. I will also do some research. 
So what I get out of this is actually (correct me if I am wrong):

- Don’t make a new shell, it’s better to fix problems with the other already 
existing shells.
- Make something difficult, that doesn’t really exist as much as the ‘file 
finder’ shell.
- Much of you don’t really care, it already exists to much?


Thank you!
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[Freedos-devel] An idea???

[Maarten Vermeulen]

Hi all,

It’s not really about FreeDOS… but it has something to do with it. :)
I thought that maybe if you all like the idea, I could make a GUI shell. It 
would be exclusive of course. Though, It will be especially for FreeDOS. And 
maybe also MS-DOS and Night DOS. It’s a sort of a vote. Would you like the idea 
of a new GUI shell? Something new, newer then the old original (still nice) 
Windows shells (Windows 1.0; 1.10; 2.0 etc.). I liked the idea, but if no one 
likes the idea it’s a bit of a pointless thing. Also this will be a second 
project, where I can work on when my other project (BirdOS) is paused for a 
bit. Then I can wipe my mind for a bit.. :)

Some things though:

- Can a 16-bit OS load bitmap images?
- Can, if the idea is voted as a yes, I ‘borrow the FreeDOS logo for [1].

[1] a ‘made for FreeDOS 1.2’ and ‘compatible with FreeDOS ‘1.1’ emblem/image. 
This will (maybe) be done with several OS’s.. It will be especially for FreeDOS.

Get the discussion going! :)

-Maarten

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Re: [Freedos-devel] New Email

[Maarten Vermeulen]

This is done, you are member of the group.

Maarten



Op dinsdag 2 februari 2016 heeft JAYDEN CHARBONNEAU <
jcharbonnea...@cpsge.org> het volgende geschreven:

> Also,mercury,I need my new email to be added to the nightdos kernel google
> group again.Thanks.
>
> -Jayden
>
> 
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Freedos-devel] FDI and FreeDOS 1.2

[Maarten Vermeulen]

Hi,

I should leave BWBASIC right where it is. As it's for programming and 
DEVELOPING. As it's devloper stuff I would leave it in "devel". It makes no 
sense to put a devloping part from developing to the basic system part. Leave 
it with his brothers (ASM and C). :)

Maarten

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Onderwerp: Re: [Freedos-devel] FDI and FreeDOS 1.2





On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 12:44 PM, Ralf Quint  wrote:

On 1/22/2016 3:36 PM, Eric Auer wrote:
>   Regarding BWBASIC, current FreeBASIC is extremely cool while BWBASIC was 
> small but
> somewhat sketchy, I would agree to drop BWBASIC from the distro.
>
>
Sorry, but you are here comparing apples and oranges.
FreeBASIC is a compiler, which doesn't run properly on FreeDOS AFAIK in
the first place, so you would have to do cross-platform development.
BWBasic is an interpreter, which runs very well on FreeDOS, despite some
shortcomings, hence should be very well kept within ant FreeDOS "distro"...

Ralf




Agreed.


A note on history: we had moved the BASIC environments out of "Base" many years 
ago, and put them in "Devel." We originally only had the one BASIC interpreter 
(I think always BWBASIC) but everyone wanted their own favorite BASIC. Since we 
already had a few C compilers and a few assemblers in "Devel," it made sense to 
move BASIC into the "Devel" set.


I'm in favor that BWBASIC should remain in FreeDOS. Maybe we could move BWBASIC 
back into the "Base" set, since it replicates well the original "BASIC 
interpreter" concept from MS-DOS, and put other BASIC systems into "Devel" or 
"Extras."




The BASIC systems currently in "Devel" are:


BASEC

BWBASIC

FreeBASIC

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Re: [Freedos-devel] FDI and FreeDOS 1.2

[Maarten Vermeulen]

Okay but do you mean you want it back in 'base' or is this just info?

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Verzonden: ‎26-‎1-‎2016 21:02
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Onderwerp: Re: [Freedos-devel] FDI and FreeDOS 1.2

Since DOS 1.0, (IBM/ROM-)BASIC[0] & DEBUG[1] were the default programming 
facilities.


[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_BASIC
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debug_(command)


On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 11:54 AM, Maarten Vermeulen <netraa...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,

I should leave BWBASIC right where it is. As it's for programming and 
DEVELOPING. As it's devloper stuff I would leave it in "devel". It makes no 
sense to put a devloping part from developing to the basic system part. Leave 
it with his brothers (ASM and C). :)

Maarten


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Verzonden: ‎26-‎1-‎2016 20:49
Aan: Technical discussion and questions for FreeDOS developers.
Onderwerp: Re: [Freedos-devel] FDI and FreeDOS 1.2






On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 12:44 PM, Ralf Quint <freedos...@gmail.com> wrote:

On 1/22/2016 3:36 PM, Eric Auer wrote:
>   Regarding BWBASIC, current FreeBASIC is extremely cool while BWBASIC was 
> small but
> somewhat sketchy, I would agree to drop BWBASIC from the distro.
>
>
Sorry, but you are here comparing apples and oranges.
FreeBASIC is a compiler, which doesn't run properly on FreeDOS AFAIK in
the first place, so you would have to do cross-platform development.
BWBasic is an interpreter, which runs very well on FreeDOS, despite some
shortcomings, hence should be very well kept within ant FreeDOS "distro"...

Ralf




Agreed.


A note on history: we had moved the BASIC environments out of "Base" many years 
ago, and put them in "Devel." We originally only had the one BASIC interpreter 
(I think always BWBASIC) but everyone wanted their own favorite BASIC. Since we 
already had a few C compilers and a few assemblers in "Devel," it made sense to 
move BASIC into the "Devel" set.


I'm in favor that BWBASIC should remain in FreeDOS. Maybe we could move BWBASIC 
back into the "Base" set, since it replicates well the original "BASIC 
interpreter" concept from MS-DOS, and put other BASIC systems into "Devel" or 
"Extras."




The BASIC systems currently in "Devel" are:


BASEC

BWBASIC

FreeBASIC

SmallBASIC






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Re: [Freedos-devel] FDI and FreeDOS 1.2

[Maarten Vermeulen]

Oh yes! Of course... :/

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Onderwerp: Re: [Freedos-devel] FDI and FreeDOS 1.2

It's a way of saying I agree with what you said.


On 1/26/2016 3:04 PM, Maarten Vermeulen wrote:

What's the meaning of "+1"?!




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Onderwerp: Re: [Freedos-devel] FDI and FreeDOS 1.2


+1


On 1/26/2016 2:54 PM, Maarten Vermeulen wrote:

Hi,

I should leave BWBASIC right where it is. As it's for programming and 
DEVELOPING. As it's devloper stuff I would leave it in "devel". It makes no 
sense to put a devloping part from developing to the basic system part. Leave 
it with his brothers (ASM and C). :)

Maarten 


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Re: [Freedos-devel] FDI USB stick

[Maarten Vermeulen]

The usb is not really C:. The ports might help with that. I stick my USB always 
in the same USB port and it's always F:. I think if you boot from it the USB 
will be automaticly assigned to a USB port drive letter. Also with a harddrive 
C: Is already there because that's default for the first drive/partition.

Is this right???
My explanation is a bit bad...
Maarten

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Onderwerp: [Freedos-devel] FDI USB stick

Well, I just got some feedback from a Facebook user who really really wants the 
USB stick installer and tried that image I made.

He had 4 problems, but was still happy it mostly worked.

1) he had to manually start setup.bat. Which prompted for the "full shell 
command line" 

humm...

2) detected OS, but choosing backup gave an error message. 

Proceeded without doing backup.
Install ran "smoothly" to 100%

3) system files transfer failed, error message. 

He manually did sys L: C:
L: being the USB stick.

4) noted it installed to drive d:

It was supposed to be C:, but was happy he now had the FreeDOS files on the 
computer.

I though that if you booted from a USB stick, the stick would be drive C:. It 
has been a very long time since I made one. Is that incorrect? Or did he boot 
just boot normally and install from the stick? Most of the issues he described 
may disappear if in advanced mode. I made it as a hard drive C: inside a vm 
installing to a drive D:. Worked fine, although I did not test backup process 
in that situation. 

Jerome

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Re: [Freedos-devel] FDI and FreeDOS 1.2

[Maarten Vermeulen]

Hi,


I don't think Jim would be pleased to hear that. But I am a volunteer! :)

I dont know if that's a joke...

Why do I say this? I can give 2 reasons one is serious the other isnt.


the serious reason: Because I agree.

the non-serious reason: Because FreeDOS that's why!

probably this mail will be bad and I will be suspended... Why? Because it's
not nice what I say and so I am not mailing within the rules. But as I
already can't do the real FreeDOS dev part Because automaticly people
that look at MS-DOS (was needed for school) do add MS-DOS stuff. If you get
a copyright issue or something they don't care if you have those people.
What they do care about is if you really did violate copyright. Which
FreeDOS can't do because it's different from MS-DOS. And in this discussion
I heard we did have something as close to MS-DOS. So software chosen by
someone else from leadership is allowed to enter. But people do not. I do
not add MS-DOS source or ideas. It's not worth it. Also it's too simplistic
to say that everyone that gas looked at MS-DOS will add things from it.
Yes, it's to protect. Sure, but not like this. That reasoning is bad
because it's not true and you think for others! >:-(


as you may noticed I do not agree with the MS-DOS rules.

Maarten



Op vrijdag 22 januari 2016 heeft Tom Ehlert  het
volgende geschreven:

>
>
> > I emailed with Jim the other day. He is extremely busy at present.
> fine. we should look for a new boss with more time to care.
>
>
> > what package for drivers?
> maybe ask Jim
>
>
> Tom
>
>
>
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Re: [Freedos-devel] FDI and FreeDOS 1.2

[Maarten Vermeulen]

Hi,

I didn't even know BWBasic was somewhere. I searched long times for something 
about basic (in the time I liked basic) but couldn't find anything. I am a fan 
of NASM so I wouldn't agree to remove it, but I would agree to add it.. :)

To get it right, we have it about removing/adding compilers?

Maarten

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Onderwerp: Re: [Freedos-devel] FDI and FreeDOS 1.2

Hi,

On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 5:36 PM, Eric Auer  wrote:
>
> Hi Rugxulo et al,
>
> indeed xgrep and grep both have their uses... Regarding BWBASIC,
> current FreeBASIC is extremely cool while BWBASIC was small but
> somewhat sketchy, I would agree to drop BWBASIC from the distro.

Literally, I'm not aware of anybody using BWBasic in recent years at
all. From limited experience, although I did try to play with it a
bit, unfortunately I found it too buggy. Maybe somebody can correct
me, but I wouldn't directly recommend it (as is).

> Note that the modern compilers (OpenWatcom, FPC (Pascal), Free-
> BASIC, DJGPP and so on) are rather large, so I am glad that they
> are not part of BASE ;-) And do not forget NASM and JWASM... :-)

Maybe we should repackage the FPC.ZIP to use LZMA?? It's certainly
(too) large. I think the extra decompression RAM is probably justified
since the package itself presumably uses a fair few MB.

> What do you mean by BCC? The Borland Museum compiler?

No, actually I'm pretty sure this one is bcc/dev86 (Bruce's C
compiler). But even that has bugs and limitations that makes it less
than ideal (although not too bad overall, just much weaker than
OpenWatcom, for example).

> It should not be a requirement to be 16-bit compatible when we
> are looking at non-BASE packages. If there are 16-bit versions,
> it is good to include them, but for example in case of NASM, I
> would make 32-bit the default. It just works well on common PC.

NASM 0.98.39 was the last to have a 16-bit build. At least JWasmR
exists too, but that has its own quirks. So yes, normally the 32-bit
versions are "good enough".

> Looking at the complete list here:
>
> http://freedos.sourceforge.net/software/?cat=devel
>
> Anybody still using VAL,

Maybe Micro-C dude, but I haven't heard anything from him in years.

> SmallBASIC, BASEC,

No.

> YASM?

NASM compatible, supposedly faster, halfway recommended by SmallerC dude.

> S-LANG anybody?

Not directly. Doesn't DOSEMU use that? So does JED (although none of
us ever finalized a public build of that). Not much else, AFAIK.

> I remember REXX was liked by DOS users?

Not at all (unless you mean PC-DOS 7, which I doubt). Maybe you meant
OS/2? Sure, I've dabbled very very lightly in Rexx, but I don't see
anyone else caring, certainly not the Regina dude (hence why we're
still stuck to 3.7 when latest is 3.91). The makefile.dj2 had somewhat
bitrotted, last I checked, but I was never patient enough (yet?) to
diff the versions.

> I guess PACIFIC-C should be dropped (closed source).

I think Jim had wanted to drop it, yes. Of course, I'm not aware of
any obvious projects (still?) using it anyways. OpenWatcom is
presumably much better (overall).

Anyways, the online Software List is in "read-only" mode for the past
few months now (since Jim is too busy to fix it), so I can't remove it
anyways (not that it's hugely important).

> FASM, WASM and JWASM all have fans.

WASM as in Wolfware? Not really popular, no. I'm not aware of anyone
using it in any projects.

> Is CC386 popular?

Not really, no, but it's still fairly nice. Of course, it's abandoned
in favor of Orange C (which is Win32 or HX hosted only).

> Cute to see that there now is a new Forth compiler!

That was a year or so ago when somebody (Zbignew?) requested adding one.

> PS: Dropped as in "not included in the ISO", listing on www is fine.

Of course.

The .iso for 2.0 should presumably be extra minimal, just for purists,
perhaps like "core", and bigger .iso versions can be added later
("extended"). Maybe.

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Re: [Freedos-devel] FDI

[Maarten Vermeulen]

Nice!
I waited for it because it wasn't really clear for me. With that specific mail 
you could mean that you wanted that to be in the translation files (we had to 
add it to those files) or do it with the mail. :) waited for what other people 
did first.

Maarten

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Van: "Jerome E. Shidel Jr." 
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Aan: "Technical discussion and questions for FreeDOS developers." 

Onderwerp: [Freedos-devel] FDI

I did a little tweaking and stuff to FDI. So, I just released latest image. 

Mostly, this was adding the ability to remove the install media before 
doing the reboot. Also, if FDINST is installed, an appropriate config file for 
it
is also now included. (Same as the OS install: Binaries only or with Sources)

http://up.lod.bz/FDI/latest 

Remember FDI is done. So, think of it like a good Pie. Once it is cooked, 
don’t leave it in the oven to long or it well be over done. ;-)

Oh, still would like the NL, ES, EO and FR translations for the reboot message.
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Re: [Freedos-devel] FDI Translations

[Maarten Vermeulen]

In dutch:

"Verwijder de installatie media uit het station en druk op een toets om opnieuw 
op te starten of op CRTL+C om setup te sluiten"

I made some adjustments to that sentence:
- remove installation media from the station (but then in dutch)
- press CTRL+C to exit setup (but then in dutch)

My goal with those adjustments (see above) is to make clear what to remove and 
what to exit. :)

Maarten

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Onderwerp: [Freedos-devel] FDI Translations

Hello again,

I just made some changes to V8Power Tools so the user can remove the install 
media before FDI does a system reboot.

So, I would like to get the following translated into all the appropriate 
languages. (ES, EO, FR, NL & DE)
Once again, rewording is fine.

Remove the installation media and press a key to restart the system or press 
CTRL+C to exit.

Thanks in advance,

Jerome
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Re: [Freedos-devel] FPC 3.0.0

[Maarten Vermeulen]

On your btw:

I like that too. Butthe advantage of developing on DOS itself is that you can 
start made programs almost instantly. Because you have the right system for it. 
You don't have to make a .img first before you can put it in a virtual machine. 
I like the modern computer. I feel a bit 'jailed' in DOS. More open on a modern 
one.

Big screens or just a laptop is very nice to do. It has the advantage of doing 
much together. For example I can concentrate good with music. So obviously you 
need a modern pc for that. 
I really can concentrate with music. So yeah...


Just a stupid story. :)

Maarten

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Onderwerp: Re: [Freedos-devel] FPC 3.0.0

> Well, I was messing around a little with the new FreePascal Compiler for DOS.

> Basically, what ships requires DOS LFN support. Many units, libraries and 
> executables
> are longer than the 8.3 standard file names. 

> It would be a lot of tedious work to migrate it to completely support 8.3 
> names.

> I don’t know if the effort is worth it or not. I know I don’t have the time 
> to do it.

> So basically, unless someone else ports it’s file names that leaves three 
> options.

> 1) stick with the current version.
> 2) leave it alone and require DOSLFN.

assuming this works: leave it alone and require DOSLFN.


btw: I personally find crossdeveloping from my machine with 2 big
1600*1200 monitors, many windows, firefox, ... much more productiv
then developing on DOS itself.

and then lomg filenames are there 'automatically'

YMMV

Tom



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Re: [Freedos-devel] Silly me

[Maarten Vermeulen]

Hi,

My package updating is really bad. Not really enough time. I had much problems 
with everything. Which are hopfully now fixed.

I am going to make time today for this.

Maarten

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Onderwerp: [Freedos-devel] Silly me

Hello again all you FDEV’s,

I was feeling a little bored, so by adding 6 lines to FDI, I enabled “install 
from directory” support. Kinda, sorta.

Basically, you do an xcopy /e a:\*.* . into a subdirectory for both the FDI 
boot image and Mateusz’s ALL_CD.iso.

And it works… Mostly, that is.

Well, it works all the way up to  the system transfer. Since, you can’t 
transfer the system files from and to C: it
catches the error and drops out. (I could work around the problem, but I don’t 
really see the point)

So, It could not be used to download everything to a directory on C: and run 
the install. But, I guess it could 
be useful to install from a flash drive or some other disk. 

http://up.lod.bz/FDI/latest

How are the BASE & ALL package lists and package updates going?

I would like to change the FreeDOS 1.2-pre9 label to FreeDOS 1.2-alpha. (Hint, 
Hint.)
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Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 beta

[Maarten Vermeulen]

Hi Mateusz,

Thank you, I will read all. I start as soon as possible (either this evening or 
tommorrow)


Maarten

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Onderwerp: Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 beta

Hi Maarten,

Thank you for your time. The packaging work is pretty straigh-forward - 
it's simply "look at what packages we have, and see if any newer 
versions are available and/or if any other interesting and useful 
software could be added".

All packages are here:
http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/1.1/repos/

The "listing.txt" file will show you the exact list of packages, as well 
as their respective versions. Then, it's much searching around the 
internet/ibiblio/other to find out "what is the latest version of 
software xyz" - and if the one in the repo is outdated, creating a new 
package.

 From the top of my head, I now that these packages badly need a refresh:
  - DJGPP
  - FreeBASIC
  - FreePascal
  - Frotz

But surely there are many more.

Here is a short article that explains what a "package" is, and how it 
should be done:
http://freedos.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Package

Finally, about the bootable CD work - it's at the same place, ie:
http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/1.1/repos/

The "all_cd.iso" file is the bootable CD I used so far. It would need 
Jerome's installer to be integrated, and, well, much testing. The 
bootable floppy image used to boot the CD is here:
http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/1.1/repos/cdroot/boot.img

cheers,
Mateusz



On 04/01/2016 04:07, Maarten Vermeulen wrote:
> Hi,
>
> That 4th one is always fun, I happend to be searching for boot images
> (single ones) which could boot a CD yesterday. Couldn't find one in
> anyway I tried.
>
> I have (I believe) the abillity to do everything from 2 to 4. Sorry for
> my bad english.
> Unless autoexec.bat is a core utillity, I can do that too, maybe. I am
> sure about 2,3 and 4.
>
> If one is remaining you can give it to me (assuming autoexec.bat is a
> core utillity and so I can't do that), if you want me to choose here and
> now. Then I choose 3.
>
> If Mateusz is reading now, please can you send a mail with what needs to
> be done and some instructions how you should want it to happen. I choose
> 3, now.
>
>
> Maarten
>
> Ps: For those wondering why I can't do the core utillity:
>
> In 2015 I made a school report about MS-DOS. After that (I just did!)
> Iooked at some MS-DOS sources. I mailed to Jim that I had been reading
> it. He doesn't want me to work on any core utillity. I give him right,
> but well, I wanted to ,somewhere in time, help with some core utillity's.
> But for now I can't do that.
> 
> Van: Jerome E. Shidel Jr. <mailto:jer...@shidel.net>
> Verzonden: ‎3-‎1-‎2016 23:12
> Aan: Technical discussion and questions for FreeDOS developers.
> <mailto:freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
> Onderwerp: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 beta
>
> The new FreeDOS batch file based installer (FDI) has been done for a
> while now and
> I have used it to install FreeDOS multiple times. Since, it just uses
> Mateusz’s repo disc
> image for packages and is not FreeDOS 1.1, I consider it a FreeDOS 1.2
> preview/alpha
> version.
>
> It would be nice to have a FreeDOS 1.2 Beta Release sometime soon. Then
> a RC and
> Final version sometime thereafter.
>
> So, to the best of my knowledge this is what needs to be completed.
> (Not by me!)
>
> 1) Universally compatible simple fdconfig.sys an autoexec.bat file that
> is installed by FDI.
>
> The present one that is created is has limited compatibility. For
> example, boot option 1
> is not compatible with VirtualBox. Someone needs to take a look at them
> and provide the
> needed changes. One additional consideration is regarding language and
> codepage
> support. FDI can automatically include custom settings for these when
> creating a new
> autoexec.bat based on the user’s selected language. If these settings
> are to be included,
> they need to be provided and placed in a custom SETLANG.BAT file for the
> specific
> language. FDI will embed them into the new autoexec file during the
> installation.
>
> 2) List of packages for BASE and ALL.
>
> I have tried to make BASE as close to the what was in FreeDOS 1.1.
> I have no clue what to put into ALL for 1.2.
>
> 3) Assist Mateusz in bringing all of his packages up to there latest
> versions.
>
&

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 beta

[Maarten Vermeulen]

Hi,

That 4th one is always fun, I happend to be searching for boot images (single 
ones) which could boot a CD yesterday. Couldn't find one in anyway I tried.

I have (I believe) the abillity to do everything from 2 to 4. Sorry for my bad 
english.
Unless autoexec.bat is a core utillity, I can do that too, maybe. I am sure 
about 2,3 and 4.

If one is remaining you can give it to me (assuming autoexec.bat is a core 
utillity and so I can't do that), if you want me to choose here and now. Then I 
choose 3.

If Mateusz is reading now, please can you send a mail with what needs to be 
done and some instructions how you should want it to happen. I choose 3, now. 


Maarten

Ps: For those wondering why I can't do the core utillity:

In 2015 I made a school report about MS-DOS. After that (I just did!) Iooked at 
some MS-DOS sources. I mailed to Jim that I had been reading it. He doesn't 
want me to work on any core utillity. I give him right, but well, I wanted to 
,somewhere in time, help with some core utillity's. 
But for now I can't do that.


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Onderwerp: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 beta

The new FreeDOS batch file based installer (FDI) has been done for a while now 
and
I have used it to install FreeDOS multiple times. Since, it just uses Mateusz’s 
repo disc
image for packages and is not FreeDOS 1.1, I consider it a FreeDOS 1.2 
preview/alpha
version.

It would be nice to have a FreeDOS 1.2 Beta Release sometime soon. Then a RC and
Final version sometime thereafter.

So, to the best of my knowledge this is what needs to be completed. 
(Not by me!)

1) Universally compatible simple fdconfig.sys an autoexec.bat file that is 
installed by FDI.

The present one that is created is has limited compatibility. For 
example, boot option 1
is not compatible with VirtualBox. Someone needs to take a look at them 
and provide the
needed changes. One additional consideration is regarding language and 
codepage 
support. FDI can automatically include custom settings for these when 
creating a new 
autoexec.bat based on the user’s selected language. If these settings 
are to be included, 
they need to be provided and placed in a custom SETLANG.BAT file for 
the specific 
language. FDI will embed them into the new autoexec file during the 
installation. 

2) List of packages for BASE and ALL. 

I have tried to make BASE as close to the what was in FreeDOS 1.1.
I have no clue what to put into ALL for 1.2.

3) Assist Mateusz in bringing all of his packages up to there latest versions.

4) Assemble a Boot CD that contains the installer and the FreeDOS packages.


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Re: [Freedos-devel] A little message

[Maarten Vermeulen]

Wow, that should be our slogan! :D


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Onderwerp: Re: [Freedos-devel] A little message

Why did he do it? because FREEDOS! :D


On 12/31/2015 7:44 PM, JAYDEN CHARBONNEAU wrote:

Yeah.I used FreeDOS to hack the Matrix to access the webcam.Hahah. :)
On Dec 31, 2015 6:39 PM, "Maarten Vermeulen" <netraa...@gmail.com> wrote:

It is 1 january here (00:36). So happy new year :)

The time in the Netherlands is about 6 hours later then in New York.

Maarten


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Onderwerp: Re: [Freedos-devel] A little message


See you guys next year! (Hah...hah..hah?)
On Dec 31, 2015 10:29 AM, "Mercury Thirteen" <mercury0x0...@gmail.com> wrote:

Then a happy New Year to all those of us who are still stuck in last
year! :P :)

On 12/31/2015 9:39 AM, Mateusz Viste wrote:
> I fear you are slightly too late - there are many places in the world
> where it's 2016 already - Most of Australia, some parts of Russia, New
> Zealand, and a few more. :)
>
> Mateusz
>
>
>
> On 31/12/2015 15:09, JAYDEN CHARBONNEAU wrote:
>> Yes,tonight is New Years Eve!Stay up late!Party!Watch the balldrop!I you
>> all have a wonderful (and crazy) evening!
>>
>> -Jayden
>>
>> *Crazy meaning have a fun party
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 2:52 AM, Maarten Vermeulen <netraa...@gmail.com
>> <mailto:netraa...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>  And a happy new year! :)
>>
>>
>>  
>>  Van: JAYDEN CHARBONNEAU <mailto:jcharbonnea...@cpsge.org>
>>  Verzonden: ‎26-‎12-‎2015 16:07
>>
>>  Aan: Technical discussion and questions for FreeDOS developers.
>>  <mailto:freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
>>  Onderwerp: Re: [Freedos-devel] A little message
>>
>>  I recently got my band director to let us play Sleigh Ride.The
>>  trumpets enjoyed making the horse noises.
>>  On Dec 26, 2015 3:19 AM, "Maarten Vermeulen" <netraa...@gmail.com
>>  <mailto:netraa...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>   >
>>   > For those who like it, a Dutch christmas song.
>>   > 'midden in de winternacht' it's name. This is one of the first
>>  christmas songs you learn in dutch, because this one is always used
>>  on school.
>>   >
>>   > So here is it, 'midden in de winternacht'.
>>   >
>>   > https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lOyEmKJozc0
>>   >
>>   > Of course you are allowed to use google translate :)
>>   > 
>>   > Van: Rugxulo
>>   > Verzonden: ‎26-‎12-‎2015 06:09
>>   > Aan: Technical discussion and questions for FreeDOS developers.
>>   > Onderwerp: Re: [Freedos-devel] A little message
>>   >
>>   > Hi,
>>   >
>>   > On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 12:37 PM, Maarten Vermeulen
>>  <netraa...@gmail.com <mailto:netraa...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>   > >
>>   > > Yes thanks! Everyone have a merry christmas!
>>   > > Good luck with your familly! :P
>>   >
>>   > What, no Dutch translation?  :-O
>>   >
>>   > "Gelukkig Kerstfeest!" (according to https://translate.google.com)
>>   >
>>   > (And the German ...)
>>   >
>>   > "Fröhliche Weihnachten" (also according to Google)
>>   >
>>   > (Kaj la esperantan tradukon ...)
>>   >
>>   > "Feliĉan Kristnaskon!"
>>   >
>>   >
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Re: [Freedos-devel] A little message

[Maarten Vermeulen]

Well, If you are in New york right. I know the vs/usa/america is big. So there 
are other places with different time then new york right?

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On Fri, 1 Jan 2016, Maarten Vermeulen wrote:

> It is 1 january here (00:36). So happy new year :)
>
> The time in the Netherlands is about 6 hours later then in New York.
>
> Maarten

It *is* 6 hours later, exactly.  You're GMT+1, we're GMT-5.

-uso.

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Re: [Freedos-devel] A little message

[Maarten Vermeulen]

All those reactions on one message!
The future is not much different. ;)


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Onderwerp: Re: [Freedos-devel] A little message

Hey Maarten! How's the future?! :D


On 12/31/2015 6:39 PM, Maarten Vermeulen wrote:

It is 1 january here (00:36). So happy new year :)

The time in the Netherlands is about 6 hours later then in New York.

Maarten


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Verzonden: ‎1-‎1-‎2016 00:14
Aan: Technical discussion and questions for FreeDOS developers.
Onderwerp: Re: [Freedos-devel] A little message


See you guys next year! (Hah...hah..hah?)
On Dec 31, 2015 10:29 AM, "Mercury Thirteen" <mercury0x0...@gmail.com> wrote:

Then a happy New Year to all those of us who are still stuck in last
year! :P :)

On 12/31/2015 9:39 AM, Mateusz Viste wrote:
> I fear you are slightly too late - there are many places in the world
> where it's 2016 already - Most of Australia, some parts of Russia, New
> Zealand, and a few more. :)
>
> Mateusz
>
>
>
> On 31/12/2015 15:09, JAYDEN CHARBONNEAU wrote:
>> Yes,tonight is New Years Eve!Stay up late!Party!Watch the balldrop!I you
>> all have a wonderful (and crazy) evening!
>>
>> -Jayden
>>
>> *Crazy meaning have a fun party
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 2:52 AM, Maarten Vermeulen <netraa...@gmail.com
>> <mailto:netraa...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>  And a happy new year! :)
>>
>>
>>  
>>  Van: JAYDEN CHARBONNEAU <mailto:jcharbonnea...@cpsge.org>
>>  Verzonden: ‎26-‎12-‎2015 16:07
>>
>>  Aan: Technical discussion and questions for FreeDOS developers.
>>  <mailto:freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
>>  Onderwerp: Re: [Freedos-devel] A little message
>>
>>  I recently got my band director to let us play Sleigh Ride.The
>>  trumpets enjoyed making the horse noises.
>>  On Dec 26, 2015 3:19 AM, "Maarten Vermeulen" <netraa...@gmail.com
>>  <mailto:netraa...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>   >
>>   > For those who like it, a Dutch christmas song.
>>   > 'midden in de winternacht' it's name. This is one of the first
>>  christmas songs you learn in dutch, because this one is always used
>>  on school.
>>   >
>>   > So here is it, 'midden in de winternacht'.
>>   >
>>   > https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lOyEmKJozc0
>>   >
>>   > Of course you are allowed to use google translate :)
>>   > 
>>   > Van: Rugxulo
>>   > Verzonden: ‎26-‎12-‎2015 06:09
>>   > Aan: Technical discussion and questions for FreeDOS developers.
>>   > Onderwerp: Re: [Freedos-devel] A little message
>>   >
>>   > Hi,
>>   >
>>   > On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 12:37 PM, Maarten Vermeulen
>>  <netraa...@gmail.com <mailto:netraa...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>   > >
>>   > > Yes thanks! Everyone have a merry christmas!
>>   > > Good luck with your familly! :P
>>   >
>>   > What, no Dutch translation?  :-O
>>   >
>>   > "Gelukkig Kerstfeest!" (according to https://translate.google.com)
>>   >
>>   > (And the German ...)
>>   >
>>   > "Fröhliche Weihnachten" (also according to Google)
>>   >
>>   > (Kaj la esperantan tradukon ...)
>>   >
>>   > "Feliĉan Kristnaskon!"
>>   >
>>   >
>
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Re: [Freedos-devel] A little message

[Maarten Vermeulen]

Haha.
Are you going to write the matrix again?! :p
Then we get a new movie (hahahaha?)

Maarten

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Yeah.I used FreeDOS to hack the Matrix to access the webcam.Hahah. :)
On Dec 31, 2015 6:39 PM, "Maarten Vermeulen" <netraa...@gmail.com> wrote:

It is 1 january here (00:36). So happy new year :)

The time in the Netherlands is about 6 hours later then in New York.

Maarten


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Onderwerp: Re: [Freedos-devel] A little message


See you guys next year! (Hah...hah..hah?)
On Dec 31, 2015 10:29 AM, "Mercury Thirteen" <mercury0x0...@gmail.com> wrote:

Then a happy New Year to all those of us who are still stuck in last
year! :P :)

On 12/31/2015 9:39 AM, Mateusz Viste wrote:
> I fear you are slightly too late - there are many places in the world
> where it's 2016 already - Most of Australia, some parts of Russia, New
> Zealand, and a few more. :)
>
> Mateusz
>
>
>
> On 31/12/2015 15:09, JAYDEN CHARBONNEAU wrote:
>> Yes,tonight is New Years Eve!Stay up late!Party!Watch the balldrop!I you
>> all have a wonderful (and crazy) evening!
>>
>> -Jayden
>>
>> *Crazy meaning have a fun party
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 2:52 AM, Maarten Vermeulen <netraa...@gmail.com
>> <mailto:netraa...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>  And a happy new year! :)
>>
>>
>>  
>>  Van: JAYDEN CHARBONNEAU <mailto:jcharbonnea...@cpsge.org>
>>  Verzonden: ‎26-‎12-‎2015 16:07
>>
>>  Aan: Technical discussion and questions for FreeDOS developers.
>>  <mailto:freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
>>  Onderwerp: Re: [Freedos-devel] A little message
>>
>>  I recently got my band director to let us play Sleigh Ride.The
>>  trumpets enjoyed making the horse noises.
>>  On Dec 26, 2015 3:19 AM, "Maarten Vermeulen" <netraa...@gmail.com
>>  <mailto:netraa...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>   >
>>   > For those who like it, a Dutch christmas song.
>>   > 'midden in de winternacht' it's name. This is one of the first
>>  christmas songs you learn in dutch, because this one is always used
>>  on school.
>>   >
>>   > So here is it, 'midden in de winternacht'.
>>   >
>>   > https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lOyEmKJozc0
>>   >
>>   > Of course you are allowed to use google translate :)
>>   > 
>>   > Van: Rugxulo
>>   > Verzonden: ‎26-‎12-‎2015 06:09
>>   > Aan: Technical discussion and questions for FreeDOS developers.
>>   > Onderwerp: Re: [Freedos-devel] A little message
>>   >
>>   > Hi,
>>   >
>>   > On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 12:37 PM, Maarten Vermeulen
>>  <netraa...@gmail.com <mailto:netraa...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>   > >
>>   > > Yes thanks! Everyone have a merry christmas!
>>   > > Good luck with your familly! :P
>>   >
>>   > What, no Dutch translation?  :-O
>>   >
>>   > "Gelukkig Kerstfeest!" (according to https://translate.google.com)
>>   >
>>   > (And the German ...)
>>   >
>>   > "Fröhliche Weihnachten" (also according to Google)
>>   >
>>   > (Kaj la esperantan tradukon ...)
>>   >
>>   > "Feliĉan Kristnaskon!"
>>   >
>>   >
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Re: [Freedos-devel] A little message

[Maarten Vermeulen]

It is 1 january here (00:36). So happy new year :)

The time in the Netherlands is about 6 hours later then in New York.

Maarten

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See you guys next year! (Hah...hah..hah?)
On Dec 31, 2015 10:29 AM, "Mercury Thirteen" <mercury0x0...@gmail.com> wrote:

Then a happy New Year to all those of us who are still stuck in last
year! :P :)

On 12/31/2015 9:39 AM, Mateusz Viste wrote:
> I fear you are slightly too late - there are many places in the world
> where it's 2016 already - Most of Australia, some parts of Russia, New
> Zealand, and a few more. :)
>
> Mateusz
>
>
>
> On 31/12/2015 15:09, JAYDEN CHARBONNEAU wrote:
>> Yes,tonight is New Years Eve!Stay up late!Party!Watch the balldrop!I you
>> all have a wonderful (and crazy) evening!
>>
>> -Jayden
>>
>> *Crazy meaning have a fun party
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 2:52 AM, Maarten Vermeulen <netraa...@gmail.com
>> <mailto:netraa...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>  And a happy new year! :)
>>
>>
>>  
>>  Van: JAYDEN CHARBONNEAU <mailto:jcharbonnea...@cpsge.org>
>>  Verzonden: ‎26-‎12-‎2015 16:07
>>
>>  Aan: Technical discussion and questions for FreeDOS developers.
>>  <mailto:freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
>>  Onderwerp: Re: [Freedos-devel] A little message
>>
>>  I recently got my band director to let us play Sleigh Ride.The
>>  trumpets enjoyed making the horse noises.
>>  On Dec 26, 2015 3:19 AM, "Maarten Vermeulen" <netraa...@gmail.com
>>  <mailto:netraa...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>   >
>>   > For those who like it, a Dutch christmas song.
>>   > 'midden in de winternacht' it's name. This is one of the first
>>  christmas songs you learn in dutch, because this one is always used
>>  on school.
>>   >
>>   > So here is it, 'midden in de winternacht'.
>>   >
>>   > https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lOyEmKJozc0
>>   >
>>   > Of course you are allowed to use google translate :)
>>   > 
>>   > Van: Rugxulo
>>   > Verzonden: ‎26-‎12-‎2015 06:09
>>   > Aan: Technical discussion and questions for FreeDOS developers.
>>   > Onderwerp: Re: [Freedos-devel] A little message
>>   >
>>   > Hi,
>>   >
>>   > On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 12:37 PM, Maarten Vermeulen
>>  <netraa...@gmail.com <mailto:netraa...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>   > >
>>   > > Yes thanks! Everyone have a merry christmas!
>>   > > Good luck with your familly! :P
>>   >
>>   > What, no Dutch translation?  :-O
>>   >
>>   > "Gelukkig Kerstfeest!" (according to https://translate.google.com)
>>   >
>>   > (And the German ...)
>>   >
>>   > "Fröhliche Weihnachten" (also according to Google)
>>   >
>>   > (Kaj la esperantan tradukon ...)
>>   >
>>   > "Feliĉan Kristnaskon!"
>>   >
>>   >
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Re: [Freedos-devel] A little message

[Maarten Vermeulen]

And a happy new year! :)




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I recently got my band director to let us play Sleigh Ride.The trumpets enjoyed 
making the horse noises.
On Dec 26, 2015 3:19 AM, "Maarten Vermeulen" <netraa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> For those who like it, a Dutch christmas song.
> 'midden in de winternacht' it's name. This is one of the first christmas 
> songs you learn in dutch, because this one is always used on school.
>
> So here is it, 'midden in de winternacht'.
>
> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lOyEmKJozc0
>
> Of course you are allowed to use google translate :)
> 
> Van: Rugxulo
> Verzonden: ‎26-‎12-‎2015 06:09
> Aan: Technical discussion and questions for FreeDOS developers.
> Onderwerp: Re: [Freedos-devel] A little message
>
> Hi,
>
> On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 12:37 PM, Maarten Vermeulen <netraa...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> >
> > Yes thanks! Everyone have a merry christmas!
> > Good luck with your familly! :P
>
> What, no Dutch translation?  :-O
>
> "Gelukkig Kerstfeest!" (according to https://translate.google.com)
>
> (And the German ...)
>
> "Fröhliche Weihnachten" (also according to Google)
>
> (Kaj la esperantan tradukon ...)
>
> "Feliĉan Kristnaskon!"
>
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Re: [Freedos-devel] fdisk translation

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Never mind, I did read it good this time. :)
Not very good in reading today. I thought that you where saying you didn"t know 
if you should do it. Now I read you just want more information about where/what 
you should do.
Reading good is recommended, especially for me. :D

Sorry, 

Maarten

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I think you just need to do that, then we look if it is good to use it etc. I 
think (and hope). :)

Maarten


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Hi,


Since I still have the Borland Compilers in my VMs, I can take over FDISK if 
needed. I can try to re-work it to work with OW. Let me know a time frame for 
completion so if I take it, I don't drag the project out.


-T


On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 8:26 PM Paul Dufresne <dufres...@gmail.com> wrote:

I have encountered a little bit similar problem that is not really
one, but looks like one.
That was with testing the new installer floppy image, with a freshly
created disk of 100Mb, and all_cd.iso under QEMU­.
After fdisk had created the partition, the virtual system reboot.
After reboot, the system BIOS (SeaBIOS) was telling me it could not
start the system because the 0x55,0xAA signature of the MBR was not
there.
At first I considered it an error of the FDISK, but soon realized that
if it was "fixed" the situation would be worst, because it would try
to boot the MBR that was invalid. And indeed, adding a partition, I
don't expect the MBR to be touched.
So the real problem was me not giving the boot order... I need to tell
it to boot the floppy disk in priority...which fixed the problem.
Now it has come to my mind that the installer could install a MBR that
would force to boot fhe floppy, but somehow it does not feels a so
good idea.

Later, reading fdisk history, I did read that fdisk was changed not to
install a MBR by default and modified the 0x55, 0xAA signature. Which
seems right to me after some thinking.

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Re: [Freedos-devel] fdisk translation

[Maarten Vermeulen]

I think you just need to do that, then we look if it is good to use it etc. I 
think (and hope). :)

Maarten

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Hi,


Since I still have the Borland Compilers in my VMs, I can take over FDISK if 
needed. I can try to re-work it to work with OW. Let me know a time frame for 
completion so if I take it, I don't drag the project out.


-T


On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 8:26 PM Paul Dufresne  wrote:

I have encountered a little bit similar problem that is not really
one, but looks like one.
That was with testing the new installer floppy image, with a freshly
created disk of 100Mb, and all_cd.iso under QEMU­.
After fdisk had created the partition, the virtual system reboot.
After reboot, the system BIOS (SeaBIOS) was telling me it could not
start the system because the 0x55,0xAA signature of the MBR was not
there.
At first I considered it an error of the FDISK, but soon realized that
if it was "fixed" the situation would be worst, because it would try
to boot the MBR that was invalid. And indeed, adding a partition, I
don't expect the MBR to be touched.
So the real problem was me not giving the boot order... I need to tell
it to boot the floppy disk in priority...which fixed the problem.
Now it has come to my mind that the installer could install a MBR that
would force to boot fhe floppy, but somehow it does not feels a so
good idea.

Later, reading fdisk history, I did read that fdisk was changed not to
install a MBR by default and modified the 0x55, 0xAA signature. Which
seems right to me after some thinking.

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Re: [Freedos-devel] A little message

[Maarten Vermeulen]

For those who like it, a Dutch christmas song.
'midden in de winternacht' it's name. This is one of the first christmas songs 
you learn in dutch, because this one is always used on school.

So here is it, 'midden in de winternacht'.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lOyEmKJozc0

Of course you are allowed to use google translate :)

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Hi,

On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 12:37 PM, Maarten Vermeulen <netraa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Yes thanks! Everyone have a merry christmas!
> Good luck with your familly! :P

What, no Dutch translation?  :-O

"Gelukkig Kerstfeest!" (according to https://translate.google.com)

(And the German ...)

"Fröhliche Weihnachten" (also according to Google)

(Kaj la esperantan tradukon ...)

"Feliĉan Kristnaskon!"

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Re: [Freedos-devel] A little message

[Maarten Vermeulen]

Ok then,  :)

Vrolijk kerstfeest en een gelukkig nieuwjaar!

(merry Christmas and a happy new year)

Met vriendelijke groet,
(sincerely,)

Maarten

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Hi,

On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 12:37 PM, Maarten Vermeulen <netraa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Yes thanks! Everyone have a merry christmas!
> Good luck with your familly! :P

What, no Dutch translation?  :-O

"Gelukkig Kerstfeest!" (according to https://translate.google.com)

(And the German ...)

"Fröhliche Weihnachten" (also according to Google)

(Kaj la esperantan tradukon ...)

"Feliĉan Kristnaskon!"

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Re: [Freedos-devel] A little message

[Maarten Vermeulen]

Yes thanks! Everyone have a merry christmas!
Good luck with your familly! :P

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Indeed! A Merry Christmas and a happy New Year to you and yours, Jayden, and 
all of the team here!


On 12/25/2015 10:05 AM, JAYDEN CHARBONNEAU wrote:

Hello.I just wanted to wish the entire development team a happy holidays and a 
happy new year! 
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Re: [Freedos-devel] FDI Language Translations

[Maarten Vermeulen]

And I hate him (the royal orange, king) for multiple reasons. 

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Well sorry then, it was +- 16000. I was confused with a palace they wanted to 
get that money from.

But he did get some money of 27 million for something different then a palace.

But I have a one of question.
1) are you dutch
If no, this is a littlebit too exaggerated, please in an email do not 
(especially this sort) do like that it's just fun.



I don't talk bullshit, I was confused. Can happen right? 
His starting money (or something that way) was €27 million. It was all over the 
news.
If you are dutch, I can understand being that angry. If not I find it 
exaggerated. It's no harm to anyone. 


Again sorry, I was confused with something.

Maarten


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>>  I was going to ramble about a lot of things. First of all, King
>>  Willem-Alexander is related to the British monarchs, right?



> Could be, but I hate him. Yes, I as his citizen hate him. He gets
> as 'pocket money' 27 million (USD $29,593,701.00) per week!

by all references I could find this number is *ridicously* wrong.

please cite your sources for such claims, or stop posting it.

I don't like kings and kingdoms either, but I hate bullshit.

Tom


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Re: [Freedos-devel] FDI Language Translations

[Maarten Vermeulen]

2015-12-24 20:31 GMT+01:00 Rugxulo <rugx...@gmail.com>:

> Hi,
>
> On Thu, Dec 24, 2015 at 1:52 AM, Maarten Vermeulen <netraa...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Yes well,
> >
> > Dutch is a germanic language as well,  even though we learn englisch on
> > school: 20% can't english 45% not or bad and the others can speak, write
> and
> > understand it fine.
> > That's why we translate dutch. Because the most people can't english and
> > because they like it in there own language. (me not english/american is
> > fine)
>
> There's a lot of interesting trivia about things like this. I'm no
> scholar, sadly, but it's definitely interesting.
>

*mean laugh* :)




>
> I was going to ramble about a lot of things. First of all, King
> Willem-Alexander is related to the British monarchs, right?


Could be, but I hate him. Yes, I as his citizen hate him. He gets as
'pocket money' 27 million (USD $29,593,701.00) per week!
He gets that money from our taxes, and he doesn't have to pay taxes. And
the only thing he does is reading the letter on 'prinsjesdag', that's once
a year (3th Teusday of September). On 'prinsjesdag' the king (named in my
familly: Royal orange.) reads all the new things the goverment wants to do.
Usually increase taxes. :(


> I also heard recently (but could be misunderstanding!) that German
> "was war das?" is the same as Dutch "wat was dat?" (which sounds much
> closer to English). Too bad ol' Professor Tolkien is dead or I'm sure
> he could give us lots of interesting tidbits (since he knew a lot of
> that stuff, e.g. Beowulf [Old English, which is extremely different to
> modern]).
>

Yes, 'was war das' is indeed in Dutch 'wat was dat?' and in English 'what
was that?'.

>
> Although I hate politics, did you know that the eighth U.S. president
> was Martin Van Buren? (Wikipedia says he was born in New York,
> baptized as "Maarten"! Also, "most of the townsfolk, including the Van
> Burens, spoke Dutch at home"!)
>

No, I didn't know that.
My country (Netherlands, of course) is usually known in the U.S. as 'soft
drugs are allowed' and I heard something about 'being drunk is allowed'.
Yes, soft drugs are allowed and being drunk is allowed but of course you
aren't allowed to drive at that moment (wait 1 hour for 1 bear). LONG LIVE
EDUCATION!!!

Here are some things that you amaricans probably find strange:
http://www.weekendnotes.com/interesting-facts-about-netherlands/


> So yes, it's a small world.
>


Indeed :)


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Re: [Freedos-devel] FDI Language Translations

[Maarten Vermeulen]

That was a very BAD joke..

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Eric wants to do german (I hope) ;-P

Funny...


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> On Dec 21, 2015, at 9:06 AM, Jerome E. Shidel Jr. <jer...@shidel.net> wrote:
> 
> At present, based on a user Facebook poll. This is the state of 
> current Language Translations for FDI. I don’t know if all of these
> are possible using the Standard DOS Latin Codepage. 
> 
> I don’t know if it is would be possible to have FDI keep changing the 
> Codepage and Character set. But, I don’t think Jim would want the 
> added complexity. So, I will not be adding it even if it is possible.
> 
> English - Me, Done.
> Spanish - Me and Google, Done.
> French - Paul Dufresne, Mostly Done.

Done. (I had google help me finish the strings that I forgot to include).

> Dutch - Marteen, Unknown/Pending.

Dutch - Maarten Vermeulen, Pending (Sorry for misspelling your name).

Esperanto - Rugxulo, Done. 

> German - Nobody.

I really think it needs German. Need a Volunteer still. :-)

> Japanese - Nobody.
> Russian - Nobody.
> Chinese - Nobody.

I thought there was a standard and completely acceptable practice 
for representing these languages using the standard Western DOS
Latin based font that was put into place at the dawn of the PC age.

Basically stuff like this: (per Google Translate: "Welcome to FreeDOS”)

Japanese - FreeDOS no e yōkoso.
Russian -  Dobro pozhalovat' na FreeDOS.
Chinese - Huānyíng FreeDOS de.

> Welsh - Nobody.
> Patagonian - Nobody.

Patagonian - No Such Language. Patagonia speaks Spanish and Welsh.

> Basque - Nobody.
> Navajo - Nobody.
> Sanskrit - Nobody.
> Swahili - Nobody.
> 
> Any volunteers?


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Re: [Freedos-devel] FDI Language Translations

[Maarten Vermeulen]

Eric wants to do german (I hope) ;-P

Funny...

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> On Dec 21, 2015, at 9:06 AM, Jerome E. Shidel Jr. <jer...@shidel.net> wrote:
> 
> At present, based on a user Facebook poll. This is the state of 
> current Language Translations for FDI. I don’t know if all of these
> are possible using the Standard DOS Latin Codepage. 
> 
> I don’t know if it is would be possible to have FDI keep changing the 
> Codepage and Character set. But, I don’t think Jim would want the 
> added complexity. So, I will not be adding it even if it is possible.
> 
> English - Me, Done.
> Spanish - Me and Google, Done.
> French - Paul Dufresne, Mostly Done.

Done. (I had google help me finish the strings that I forgot to include).

> Dutch - Marteen, Unknown/Pending.

Dutch - Maarten Vermeulen, Pending (Sorry for misspelling your name).

Esperanto - Rugxulo, Done. 

> German - Nobody.

I really think it needs German. Need a Volunteer still. :-)

> Japanese - Nobody.
> Russian - Nobody.
> Chinese - Nobody.

I thought there was a standard and completely acceptable practice 
for representing these languages using the standard Western DOS
Latin based font that was put into place at the dawn of the PC age.

Basically stuff like this: (per Google Translate: "Welcome to FreeDOS”)

Japanese - FreeDOS no e yōkoso.
Russian -  Dobro pozhalovat' na FreeDOS.
Chinese - Huānyíng FreeDOS de.

> Welsh - Nobody.
> Patagonian - Nobody.

Patagonian - No Such Language. Patagonia speaks Spanish and Welsh.

> Basque - Nobody.
> Navajo - Nobody.
> Sanskrit - Nobody.
> Swahili - Nobody.
> 
> Any volunteers?


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Re: [Freedos-devel] FDI Language Translations

[Maarten Vermeulen]

It's good if you do it, as I understood it he didn't want to do it. It was just 
a silly joke.

Good luck,
Maarten

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Hi, 

if not, I can do the German translation.

Regards, 
Christian 

Am Mi. Dez. 23 14:05:07 2015 GMT+0100 schrieb Maarten Vermeulen:
> Eric wants to do german (I hope) ;-P
> 
> Funny...
> 
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> 
> 
> > On Dec 21, 2015, at 9:06 AM, Jerome E. Shidel Jr. <jer...@shidel.net> wrote:
> > 
> > At present, based on a user Facebook poll. This is the state of 
> > current Language Translations for FDI. I don’t know if all of these
> > are possible using the Standard DOS Latin Codepage. 
> > 
> > I don’t know if it is would be possible to have FDI keep changing the 
> > Codepage and Character set. But, I don’t think Jim would want the 
> > added complexity. So, I will not be adding it even if it is possible.
> > 
> > English - Me, Done.
> > Spanish - Me and Google, Done.
> > French - Paul Dufresne, Mostly Done.
> 
> Done. (I had google help me finish the strings that I forgot to include).
> 
> > Dutch - Marteen, Unknown/Pending.
> 
> Dutch - Maarten Vermeulen, Pending (Sorry for misspelling your name).
> 
> Esperanto - Rugxulo, Done. 
> 
> > German - Nobody.
> 
> I really think it needs German. Need a Volunteer still. :-)
> 
> > Japanese - Nobody.
> > Russian - Nobody.
> > Chinese - Nobody.
> 
> I thought there was a standard and completely acceptable practice 
> for representing these languages using the standard Western DOS
> Latin based font that was put into place at the dawn of the PC age.
> 
> Basically stuff like this: (per Google Translate: "Welcome to FreeDOS”)
> 
> Japanese - FreeDOS no e yōkoso.
> Russian -  Dobro pozhalovat' na FreeDOS.
> Chinese - Huānyíng FreeDOS de.
> 
> > Welsh - Nobody.
> > Patagonian - Nobody.
> 
> Patagonian - No Such Language. Patagonia speaks Spanish and Welsh.
> 
> > Basque - Nobody.
> > Navajo - Nobody.
> > Sanskrit - Nobody.
> > Swahili - Nobody.
> > 
> > Any volunteers?
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Re: [Freedos-devel] FDI Language Translations

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Yes well,
Nederlands is ook een germanische taal, en ook al leren we engels op school: 
20% kan het niet 45% niet tot matig en de rest kan het prima... Dat is waarom 
we nederlands vertalen. Omdat ze engels niet kunnen of omdat ze de taal van hun 
eigen land liever hebben. (ik niet engels/amerikaans is prima)

In english:
Dutch is a germanic language as well,  even though we learn englisch on school: 
20% can't english 45% not or bad and the others can speak, write and understand 
it fine.
That's why we translate dutch. Because the most people can't english and 
because they like it in there own language. (me not english/american is fine)


:D

Maarten

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Hi,

On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 6:38 AM, Jerome E. Shidel Jr.  wrote:
>> On Dec 21, 2015, at 9:06 AM, Jerome E. Shidel Jr.  wrote:
>>
>> This is the state of current Language Translations for FDI.
>
>> German - Nobody.
>
> I really think it needs German. Need a Volunteer still. :-)

Englisch ist germanisch, gut genug
Deutsche sind faul
Felsen mögen Sie einen Hurrikan

(extreme sarcasm) That should cover about 90% of it.   ;-)

>> Japanese - Nobody.
>> Russian - Nobody.
>> Chinese - Nobody.
>
> I thought there was a standard and completely acceptable practice
> for representing these languages using the standard Western DOS
> Latin based font that was put into place at the dawn of the PC age.
>
> Basically stuff like this: (per Google Translate: "Welcome to FreeDOS”)
>
> Japanese - FreeDOS no e yōkoso.
> Russian -  Dobro pozhalovat' na FreeDOS.
> Chinese - Huānyíng FreeDOS de.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanization_of_Japanese
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnamese_Standard_Code_for_Information_Interchange

Although I grok none of these languages, my point is that indeed there
are always ways to do it, but it may not be popular or officially
recommended anymore. I assume most non-Latin-alphabet languages have
found a way to transliterate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transliteration
"
Transliteration is the conversion of a text from one script to
another. For instance, a Latin transliteration of the Greek phrase
"Ελληνική Δημοκρατία", usually translated as 'Hellenic Republic', is
"Ellēnikḗ Dēmokratía".
"

>> Any volunteers?

Your idealism and initiative are admirable, but sadly I think it's
just not in the cards for us. Perhaps a 1.3 release (in a few months?)
could add a few, if anyone desires/demands it.

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Re: [Freedos-devel] FDI Language Translations

[Maarten Vermeulen]

Btw, I had several times that my name was wrote badly... Someone called me 
'Maartin'.
The bad spellers name begins also with an M... :P
I think it is because it isn't a amarican/english name. It is a typic Dutch 
name. But if you say Martin I can accept that. If I go to an English country I 
really should introduce me like Maartin.

Anyways...


Maarten

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On Dec 21, 2015, at 12:55 PM, Maarten Vermeulen <netraa...@gmail.com> wrote:


Hi,

Dutch, yes me but there is one thing my name is MAARTEN NOT Marteen :)
Maarten (me) does dutch. I am currently working on FDSETUP.DEF, almost finished.
The other files not to be translated. I am planning to first translate aal the 
files and then make a .zip and send it to you.

Thanks (and write the name good next time
;-). ),

Maarten


Sorry Maarten. Think it was the iOS spell checker. :(




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Onderwerp: [Freedos-devel] FDI Language Translations


At present, based on a user Facebook poll. This is the state of 
current Language Translations for FDI. I don’t know if all of these
are possible using the Standard DOS Latin Codepage. 

I don’t know if it is would be possible to have FDI keep changing the 
Codepage and Character set. But, I don’t think Jim would want the 
added complexity. So, I will not be adding it even if it is possible.

English - Me, Done.
Spanish - Me and Google, Done.
French - Paul Dufresne, Mostly Done.
Dutch - Marteen, Unknown/Pending.

German - Nobody.
Japanese - Nobody.
Russian - Nobody.
Chinese - Nobody.
Welsh - Nobody.
Patagonian - Nobody.
Basque - Nobody.
Navajo - Nobody.
Sanskrit - Nobody.
Swahili - Nobody.

Any volunteers?


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Re: [Freedos-devel] FDI Language Translations

[Maarten Vermeulen]

No problem :)
But you know how far I am with translating right? If not, look back a couple of 
mails. :)

Maarten

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On Dec 21, 2015, at 12:55 PM, Maarten Vermeulen <netraa...@gmail.com> wrote:


Hi,

Dutch, yes me but there is one thing my name is MAARTEN NOT Marteen :)
Maarten (me) does dutch. I am currently working on FDSETUP.DEF, almost finished.
The other files not to be translated. I am planning to first translate aal the 
files and then make a .zip and send it to you.

Thanks (and write the name good next time
;-). ),

Maarten


Sorry Maarten. Think it was the iOS spell checker. :(




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Onderwerp: [Freedos-devel] FDI Language Translations


At present, based on a user Facebook poll. This is the state of 
current Language Translations for FDI. I don’t know if all of these
are possible using the Standard DOS Latin Codepage. 

I don’t know if it is would be possible to have FDI keep changing the 
Codepage and Character set. But, I don’t think Jim would want the 
added complexity. So, I will not be adding it even if it is possible.

English - Me, Done.
Spanish - Me and Google, Done.
French - Paul Dufresne, Mostly Done.
Dutch - Marteen, Unknown/Pending.

German - Nobody.
Japanese - Nobody.
Russian - Nobody.
Chinese - Nobody.
Welsh - Nobody.
Patagonian - Nobody.
Basque - Nobody.
Navajo - Nobody.
Sanskrit - Nobody.
Swahili - Nobody.

Any volunteers?


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Re: [Freedos-devel] FDI Language Translations

[Maarten Vermeulen]

Good luck on trying that :D

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Onderwerp: Re: [Freedos-devel] FDI Language Translations


> At present, based on a user Facebook poll. This is the state of 
> current Language Translations for FDI. I don’t know if all of these
> are possible using the Standard DOS Latin Codepage. 

> I don’t know if it is would be possible to have FDI keep changing the 
> Codepage and Character set. But, I don’t think Jim would want the 
> added complexity. So, I will not be adding it even if it is possible.

> English - Me, Done.
> Spanish - Me and Google, Done.
> French - Paul Dufresne, Mostly Done.
> Dutch - Marteen, Unknown/Pending.

> German - Nobody.
> Japanese - Nobody.
> Russian - Nobody.
> Chinese - Nobody.
> Welsh - Nobody.
> Patagonian - Nobody.
> Basque - Nobody.
> Navajo - Nobody.
> Sanskrit - Nobody.
> Swahili - Nobody.

Klingon?


Tom


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Re: [Freedos-devel] FDI Language Translations

[Maarten Vermeulen]

Hi,

Dutch, yes me but there is one thing my name is MAARTEN NOT Marteen :)
Maarten (me) does dutch. I am currently working on FDSETUP.DEF, almost finished.
The other files not to be translated. I am planning to first translate aal the 
files and then make a .zip and send it to you.

Thanks (and write the name good next time
;-). ),

Maarten

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Onderwerp: [Freedos-devel] FDI Language Translations

At present, based on a user Facebook poll. This is the state of 
current Language Translations for FDI. I don’t know if all of these
are possible using the Standard DOS Latin Codepage. 

I don’t know if it is would be possible to have FDI keep changing the 
Codepage and Character set. But, I don’t think Jim would want the 
added complexity. So, I will not be adding it even if it is possible.

English - Me, Done.
Spanish - Me and Google, Done.
French - Paul Dufresne, Mostly Done.
Dutch - Marteen, Unknown/Pending.

German - Nobody.
Japanese - Nobody.
Russian - Nobody.
Chinese - Nobody.
Welsh - Nobody.
Patagonian - Nobody.
Basque - Nobody.
Navajo - Nobody.
Sanskrit - Nobody.
Swahili - Nobody.

Any volunteers?


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Re: [Freedos-devel] FDI Additional Languages

[Maarten Vermeulen]

Hi,

2015-12-19 0:24 GMT+01:00 Jerome E. Shidel Jr. <jer...@shidel.net>:

>
> > On Dec 18, 2015, at 2:39 PM, Maarten <netraa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Just a few things:
> >
> > I added this to the author section:
> >
> >
> >
> ***
> > FreeDOS 1.2 Installer (language) Translation.
> > Provided by: Maarten Vermeulen
> > Contact Email: netraa...@gmail.com
> > Created/Modified: created at 18 dec 2015 (19:40 UTC +1.00) Finished at -
> > Released Under GPL v2.0 License.
> >
> *******
> >
> > ; LANG_AUTHOR is unused at present, but you should set it to your name.
> > LANG_AUTHOR=Maarten Vermeulen
> > LANG_NAME=Dutch
> >
> > Is that acceptable?
>
> I have no problem with that and neither will v8power tools or the
> installer. :-)
>

Nice! :)


>
> >
> > I have now this on the format section:
> >
> > NOFORMAT=/s-  "Schijf " /f %1 %2 /f %3 " lijkt niet geformatteerd te
> zijn."
> > FORMAT?="Weet u zeker dat u de schijf wilt formatteren?"
> > FORMAT_YES="  Ja - Verwijder en formatteer schijf %1."
> > FORMATADV_QUICK="  Ja - verwijder en formatteer snel schijf %1."
> > FORMATADV_SLOW="  Ja - Verwijder en formatteer schijf %1" " volledig."
> >
> > In the sentence of FORMATADV_SLOW I added something behind it, in dutch
> this is the only solution for these sort of senteces. But as I did it, is
> this allowed?
>
> That is fine and it will work fine. The order of text and parameters is
> not important and will be parsed correctly.
>
> Only a minor displayed output issue. You would have 2 spaces between %1
> and volledig.
>
> You have three options:
> 1) Make it all inside the same quote.
>

That's a good one, completely forgot that! :-)

2) Remove the leading space before volledig.
> 3) stick a /s- in there, causing no spaces between strings.
>

The third is not a very good option as 'volledig' can't be written in as
example 'ik benvolledig'. it needs to be written as 'ik ben volledig' with
a space.


>
> here is an example of that kind of stuff using vecho:
>
> vecho Hellotheremy/s- friend how “are you” /s+ today? “I
>  SAID   FINE” !
>
> would output:
>
> Hello there myfriendhoware you today? I   SAID   FINE !
>
> Hope that makes sense.
>
>
That makes sense! :-)


> One more note, to use quotes like the ‘ character you must quote it.
>
> Examples:
>
> vecho ‘Say “Hello” Bob’
> Say “Hello” Bob
>
> vecho “Bob’s House”
> Bob’s House.
>
> The first quote sets the terminating quote.
>

You written that in the .DEF files already :)


>
> >
> > Also what is meant with this, I don’t really get where you reffering to….
> >
> > “Do not span lines in option choices. A new line will become an
> additional
> > choice and will throw off the return value for the following
> selections(…)”
>
> Basically, lets say you have two choices.
>
> Format and erase drive. Totally nuking my hard drive.
> Quit to Dos.
>
> If for some reason, the text exceeds one line and is spanned across
> multiple lines
> the it will become it’s own choice. So, if the choice are is two narrow or
> you insert
> a line break switch (/p) in a choice string, it will cause a new and
> choice to be created.
>
> So, if the above options output like this:
>
> Format and erase drive. Totally nuking
> my hard drive.
> Quit to DOS.
>
> You now have 3 choices (one per line) and quit to dos is no longer result
> 2.
>

Aha, like that. now I get it...

>
> Anyhow, for now, you really don’t need to worry about it. Once, I have the
> time to
> finish the LangTest.bat utility. I will go through and adjust the frame
> sizes to accommodate
> text width and other such things.
>

Thats nice!

Maarten








>
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Maarten
> >
> >
> > Van: Maarten
> > Verzonden: vrijdag 18 december 2015 19:25
> > Aan: Eric Auer
> > Onderwerp: RE: [Freedos-devel] FDI Additional Languages
> >
> > I am going to work at the Dutch language. but now I have questions! :)
> >
> > 1.   Do i need to translate everything (except the real code)?
> > 2.   Where do I put the finished files?
> > 3.   And I fill in my name email etc. ?
> >
> > Maarten
> >
> >
> > Van: Eric Auer
> > Verzonden: vrijdag 18 december 2015 17:36
> > Aan: freedos-de

Re: [Freedos-devel] FDI Additional Languages

[Maarten Vermeulen]

2015-12-19 0:55 GMT+01:00 Jerome E. Shidel Jr. :

>
> > On Dec 18, 2015, at 2:39 PM, Maarten  wrote:
> >
> > Just a few things:
>
> Also, thanks for working on a Dutch translation.
>
>
No problem :)


>
> Just some FYI,
>
> Also, you can delete any of the comment text of you want. Add lines, etc.
>

Then I add some things... (what you can delete from the dutch lines etc.)


>
> The text resource file has a very strict look-up policy and everything
> that does not
> match the Key it is looking for at that moment is ignored. Just don’t
> change
> anything before the = symbol.
>

Quite logical. :)


>
> These would all be different ID keys:
>
> McDonalds=Not Burger King.
> MCDONALDS=Not Taco Bell.
> mcdonalds=Not Hardees.
>
> And these ID keys would never be found: (because they contain spaces)
>

>
>


> Mc Donalds=Not Subway.
> McDonalds =Not Wendys.
> McDonalds=Not White Castle.
>
> Spaces are fine after the equal symbol, like:
>
> McDonads=  Not KFC.
>
> (I’m about to eat dinner, So, food was on my mind. :-)
>
> And any character other than Space and Equals can be used in a Key like:
>
> **MCDONALDS**=Burgers
> MC=Fries
> #MC_DONALDS:9.4?=Apple Pie
>
>
Logical :)

I regularly do some batch programming as well.


> Actually, the look-up process even supports DOS and Unix line endings.
> It could even work with a binary blob or executable.  (provided the text
> was wrapped in a CR)
>
> Technically, The value of a key is treated like an addition to the
> command-line parameters. So,
> any switch or option that is supported by the related V8Power Tool can be
> used. At present,
> vecho, vframe and vask support the resource lookup. Most of the resource
> data for text in FDI is
> used by vecho.
>
> These switches for vecho may also be of use when translating to Dutch.
>
> /P  Perform a CRLF now.
> /S +Insert a space character between parameters.
> (DEFAULT)
> /S -Do not add space character between multiple
> parameters.
> /C code Write an ASCII character code. (like /c32, or /c0x20)
> /R timesRepeat the next write times number of times.
> (1-65535) (Like /r5/c32 to do 5 spaces)
>


Handy! thanks. :)


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Re: [Freedos-devel] FDI Additional Languages

[Maarten Vermeulen]

2015-12-19 3:00 GMT+01:00 Jerome Shidel :

>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>

Interesting... ;P

>
> On Dec 18, 2015, at 2:39 PM, Maarten  wrote:
>
> (...)
>
>
>
>
> *Van: *Maarten 
> *Verzonden: *vrijdag 18 december 2015 19:25
> *Aan: *Eric Auer 
> *Onderwerp: *RE: [Freedos-devel] FDI Additional Languages
>
>
>
> I am going to work at the Dutch language. but now I have questions! :)
>
>
>
> 1.   Do i need to translate everything (except the real code)?
>
>
> Just the text that has the = needs translated. Stuff like:
>
> WELCOME="Welcome to the installer"
>

Thanks. I looked at the file and saw much, but I didn't know what the plan
was.


>
> 2.   Where do I put the finished files?
>
>
> If you just email them to me, that would be fine.
>

Sure :)


>
> 3.   And I fill in my name email etc. ?
>
>
> Yes, if you want them in the translation file. If not leave them blank and
> I'll fill then in with something like "A FreeDOS volunteer developer".
>
>
That's nice. I already did it (as you may saw in one of the previous mails).


Maarten
















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>
> Maarten
>
>
> :-)
>
>
>
>
> *Van: *Eric Auer 
> *Verzonden: *vrijdag 18 december 2015 17:36
> *Aan: *freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
> *Onderwerp: *Re: [Freedos-devel] FDI Additional Languages
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Paul,
>
>
>
> > mmm is code page (437 is default, 850 is updated form, 1252 for Windows)
>
>
>
> In general, you can assume that 437 is what comes with your BIOS
>
> and graphics card BIOS while 850 is popular in DOS. Codepages of
>
> Windows are not popular in DOS :-) Maybe Mateusz or Aitor can say
>
> what the most popular codepages are: A default install comes with
>
> EGA.CPX and EGAn.CPX where n = 2 ... 10 and CPX = compressed CPI.
>
>
>
> Each CPX can contain several fonts. For example EGA.CPX would be
>
> 58880 bytes instead of 6322 bytes without (UPX) compression ;-)
>
>
>
> See also:
>
> http://help.fdos.org/en/hhstndrd/base/display.htm
>
> http://help.fdos.org/en/hhstndrd/base/mode.htm
>
>
>
> After some searching, I found this page:
>
> http://help.fdos.org/en/hhstndrd/base/cpidos.htm
>
>
>
> It gives a list of codepages in each font file, which summarizes as:
>
>
>
> (there are several variants of several codepages, e.g. with / without
>
> Euro currency sign, or different regional variants of codepages...)
>
>
>
> EGA: 437 US, 850/858 Latin-1 852 Eastern 853 Southern 857 Turkish
>
> EGA2: 859 French/Estonian 775 Baltic 1116-1119 Latvian/Lithuanian
>
> EGA3: 771/772 Lithuanian/Russian 855/872 Cyrillic 866/808 Russian
>
> EGA4: 61282 RusLat 30010 Moldovia 1125/848 Ukraine 1131/849 Belarus
>
> EGA5: Latin1 & 737/851/869 Greek 113 Yugoslavian 852 Eastern
>
>
>
> (omitting some numbers for the remaining exotic codepages files...)
>
>
>
> EGA6: Georgian, Abkhaz/Ossetian Armenian Azeri/Russian Cyrillic Azeri
>
> EGA7: South & Northwest RU, Volga Turkic & Finno-ugric, Tatar, Chechen
>
> EGA8: 770 773 774 775 777 778 Baltic and Lithuanian
>
> EGA9: Latin1 & 860 Portugal 861 Iceland 863 CA/FR 865 Nordic 867 Czech
>
> EGA10: Latin2 & 667 668 790 991 Polish & Mazovia 57781 Hungarian
>
>
>
> EGA11: Latin1 & 3000n 0 Saami 1 Celtic 4 Greenland 7 Latin 9 Romani
>
> EGA12: Latin1 Latin2 & Kashubian, Latin American and Mexican
>
> EGA13: Latin2 & 895 Czech Kamenicky & Kazakh Tatar Uzbek Tajik
>
> EGA14: Vietnamese Siberian Khanty Mansi Frisian Oceania
>
> EGA15: Africa (South, North/East, West, Central), Benin, Nigeria
>
> EGA16: Latin1 & 30005 Nigeria 30022 Canadian First Nations
>
>
>
> I guess you get pretty far with 858 Latin-1 (Western Europe) and
>
> 866 Cyrillic already, good to know for floppy distros :-)
>
>
>
> Cheers, Eric
>
>
>
> PS: The font files are for 8x8, 8x14 and 8x16 fixed with fonts and
>
> only a few tools in DOS, such as Blocek the Unicode aware editor,
>
> support fancy font variants in DOS, see e.g. http://laaca.sweb.cz/
>
>
>
> PPS: Maybe the CPI directory of FreeDOS could ship with a TXT file
>
> giving a list of which fonts can be found in which CPX or CPI file?
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Re: [Freedos-devel] FDI Additional Languages

[Maarten Vermeulen]

Is dutch a priority?
Or will it ve used?
If yes, i can do dutch...

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It has been several days. Are there no volunteers to do Language translations?

If not, it will only support English and “Broken” Spanish.

https://github.com/shidel/FDI/tree/master/LANGUAGE/TEMPLATE

> On Dec 13, 2015, at 5:07 PM, Jerome E. Shidel Jr.  wrote:
> 
> Just an additional note on the languages.
> 
> I ran a poll on Facebook. And the requests were in order:
> 
> English (EN) +6
> Spanish (ES) +5
> German (DE) +4
> Japanese +3
> Russian +3
> Chinese (ZH_TW) +3
> Patagonian (PT) +1
> Klingon
> Swahili 
> 
> Also, my “Broken” Spanish translation should really be redone by 
> someone who speaks more than my very poor Spanish. All, I did
> was run text through google translate and try to fix it up a little. 
> Sometimes, I’d read what it gave me and would think “I know that 
> can’t be correct.”
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Re: [Freedos-devel] FDI Additional Languages

[Maarten Vermeulen]

Well, google translte is not needed, I am dutch.
So I would like to do that, but if dutch isn't used it doesn't make any sense 
to translate it.

Maarten

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I don't know anything other than Englishand Binary (hah..hah..).Perhaps 
Google Translate could help?


On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 6:16 AM, Maarten Vermeulen <netraa...@gmail.com> wrote:

Is dutch a priority?
Or will it ve used?
If yes, i can do dutch...


Van: Jerome E. Shidel Jr.
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Onderwerp: Re: [Freedos-devel] FDI Additional Languages


It has been several days. Are there no volunteers to do Language translations?

If not, it will only support English and “Broken” Spanish.

https://github.com/shidel/FDI/tree/master/LANGUAGE/TEMPLATE

> On Dec 13, 2015, at 5:07 PM, Jerome E. Shidel Jr. <jer...@shidel.net> wrote:
> 
> Just an additional note on the languages.
> 
> I ran a poll on Facebook. And the requests were in order:
> 
> English (EN) +6
> Spanish (ES) +5
> German (DE) +4
> Japanese +3
> Russian +3
> Chinese (ZH_TW) +3
> Patagonian (PT) +1
> Klingon
> Swahili 
> 
> Also, my “Broken” Spanish translation should really be redone by 
> someone who speaks more than my very poor Spanish. All, I did
> was run text through google translate and try to fix it up a little. 
> Sometimes, I’d read what it gave me and would think “I know that 
> can’t be correct.”
> 
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Re: [Freedos-devel] FDI Additional Languages

[Maarten Vermeulen]

I am going to translate the 3 files as well, if I get back a mail from Jim...
Is there a dead line? When should it be finsihed?
It is 80% sure that i help the other 20% (the mail) is not sure.

I hope I can help!

Maarten

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Yeah, I am thinking about translating the 3 files to french... just
have a little problem making it a priority.
Guess you should not postpone release if you don't get results soon enough.

2015-12-17 12:27 GMT-05:00 Jerome E. Shidel Jr. <jer...@shidel.net>:
> I have no problem including any submitted language translation for FDI.
> By it’s inclusion, it would be supported by FDI either through auto-detection 
> or
> setting the LANG environment variable.
>
> I just make no promises that it will be on the Select Language screen.
>
>> On Dec 17, 2015, at 10:48 AM, Maarten Vermeulen <netraa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Well, google translte is not needed, I am dutch.
>> So I would like to do that, but if dutch isn't used it doesn't make any 
>> sense to translate it.
>>
>> Maarten
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Re: [Freedos-devel] FDI Additional Languages

[Maarten Vermeulen]

I'm going to translate those files.
The mail to Jim was about sometging else then the packages.
Well, I ask the same question to you then: Is the installer a core utillity? :)

I will try to finish it as soon as possible, I really have no idea when the 
release date is

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> On Dec 17, 2015, at 3:26 PM, Maarten Vermeulen <netraa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I am going to translate the 3 files as well, if I get back a mail from Jim...
> Is there a dead line? When should it be finsihed?
> It is 80% sure that i help the other 20% (the mail) is not sure.

No “deadline.” I’m just don’t have any patience. :-) 

The installer is done. Except, maybe Detailed Package Selection. But, I’m 
really starting
to think that won’t be included in the installer. It might make better sense 
for a visual
front end to a package manager be installed when the “All Packages” option is 
selected.
That way, it would keep some complexity out of the installer and the user could 
easily
add and remove packages at will at any time.

We still need to decide exactly what packages are in the BASE and ALL sets.
I made my best guess at what goes into BASE, but that may need tweaked.
As for ALL, I have no idea what Jim wants in the ALL packages. 
Things like FPC, NASM, games or other utilities?

Once that is settled upon, we can do a package snapshot and it can go to Beta 
Testing.

(I’ve been running the FreeDOS 1.2-pre system for a while)

Since, the language stuff is not part of the functionality of the Installer it 
can be added 
at anytime up to actual release. So, there is no hurry. But, sooner is usually 
better. :-)

> 
> I hope I can help!
> 
> Maarten
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> Onderwerp: Re: [Freedos-devel] FDI Additional Languages
> 
> Yeah, I am thinking about translating the 3 files to french... just
> have a little problem making it a priority.
> Guess you should not postpone release if you don't get results soon enough.
> 
> 2015-12-17 12:27 GMT-05:00 Jerome E. Shidel Jr. <jer...@shidel.net>:
> > I have no problem including any submitted language translation for FDI.
> > By it’s inclusion, it would be supported by FDI either through 
> > auto-detection or
> > setting the LANG environment variable.
> >
> > I just make no promises that it will be on the Select Language screen.
> >
> >> On Dec 17, 2015, at 10:48 AM, Maarten Vermeulen <netraa...@gmail.com> 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Well, google translte is not needed, I am dutch.
> >> So I would like to do that, but if dutch isn't used it doesn't make any 
> >> sense to translate it.
> >>
> >> Maarten
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Re: [Freedos-devel] FDI Additional Languages

[Maarten Vermeulen]

ANSI came with windows 95 right?
If so, dosbox supports ANSI if you have installed 95 on it
I looked some videos about that.

And I never heared of codepage, so I don't know if it does. ;-)


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Onderwerp: Re: [Freedos-devel] FDI Additional Languages

I am not sure we can expect most languages could be encoded in CP437
(Code page 437 [IBM]).
Maybe a file in CP437 should have something like "CP=850" and then the
3 others file would be encoded in that specific code page. Then the
installer could use chcp to select the codepage before installation.
Does Dosbox support well codepage other 437?

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Re: [Freedos-devel] XFTOOLS - exFAT access a la LTOOLS

[Maarten Vermeulen]

Hi,

Sorry little bit late...
But i had this 2 weeks ago, and i fixed it today. I had installed Ubuntu, when 
i formatted the drive with a windows format Grub rescue came arround.
I couldn't get it away with anything except the installer of Ubuntu itself.

This (if it isn't fixed) could help. Install with a Grub system again and then 
try to install dos/windows/something else again differently. It worked for me.

Maarten

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To remove GRUB from your boot process, FDISK /MBR or the
Linux or Windows equivalent of that is usually enough.

In the less common case that you had GRUB in the boot
sector of your Linux and NOT in the MBR: Simply make
something else than Linux the active partition ;-)

You can also wipe those sectors which contain additional
GRUB bits, but that does not really make a difference so
I suggest to skip that effort :-)

Cheers, Eric

> Is there a way to completely FORMAT and REMOVE grub? Basically wiping the
> drive clean. I googled this, and could not find any helpful results.


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Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2

[Maarten Vermeulen]

But consider also that a normal hard drive from year old, not having much 
megabytes. :)
I think that we need to plan, seriously.


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If it's just for the installer itself, it shouldn't be much text at all. In 
fact, a few KB may be all that's needed for all the supported languages. Now, 
if one were to broaden multi-language support to the entire OS, then yes the 
requirements would go up considerably. Still likely no more than a few megs 
though considering they are pure text resources.


On 11/25/2015 9:26 AM, JAYDEN CHARBONNEAU wrote:

I am just a bit worried that our OS will be HUGE due to the language 
resources.A few KB is fine,hopefully it doesn't go above that.


On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 6:24 PM, Mercury Thirteen <mercury0x0...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

Thanks for the shout! :)

Many (most?) OSs have sets of strings in their resource files containing 
translated versions of all the necessary text. Including many languages isn't 
that space-wasting, as you have the benefit of the data being purely text. 
There would likely not be more than a few KB used for all the strings in any 
necessary language. 



On 11/24/2015 12:45 PM, JAYDEN CHARBONNEAU wrote:

Whoa...this thread changed rapidly.As for me,I am simply a scientist.I study 
Quantum physics,Astronomy,Meteorology,and Computer sciences.I began programming 
back around 2012,starting with a BASIC compiler.I then began to mess around 
with BATCH.Things really kicked into motion when a power surge wiped my HDD 
clean (really strange disaster).I didn't have the funds to buy another Win-7 
key,so I installed FreeDOS.I began to poke around with DOS,and eventually 
became an expert with QBASIC.It went from there.I joined the DEV forums 
here,and helped with a few things.I received help from a lot of members (A 
shout out to mercury for being the person who put me in the loop of 
everything).Shortly after,I began to mess with Java for a short time (Java is 
my worst enemy...I can't even get "HELLO!" out of it without banging my head 
against something).I then began to mess with Borland Turbo C++,then ASM.I 
develop games on a gaming platform that uses LUA in my spare time,and I also 
perform at concerts in my band (Flute).Now,with that stuff aside,let's get back 
to the language. 


As long as the user can READ what the screen is displaying,we should be fine.If 
the user looks at the screen and thinks it says "Icecream formatted 
burger?",then something is wrong with the translation.I think we should host an 
online repo/archive with all the language INI (Or however the extensions work 
with the installer) files;Which can be downloaded by any user who happens to be 
Dutch (Hi Maarten) for example.Just an idea,as it would be a real pain to have 
EVERY language on EARTH fitted into one CD/VOLUME.I mean,I could research how 
modern OSes do it (Ubuntu especially) on their installation utils.Regards,Jayden


On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 9:31 AM, Maarten Vermeulen <netraa...@gmail.com> wrote:

There are always people that are unkind...
Everywhere


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Verzonden: ‎24-‎11-‎2015 15:22
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Onderwerp: Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2


On Tue, 24 Nov 2015, Geraldo Netto wrote:

> well, nyc feels a lot like sao paulo (where i was born/live now), huge
> city, unkind/always-in-a-rush people (imho)

Doesn't have to be a big city to have that kind of attitude, Niagara Falls 
has a lot of jerks too...

-uso.

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Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2

[Maarten Vermeulen]

There are always people that are unkind...
Everywhere

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On Tue, 24 Nov 2015, Geraldo Netto wrote:

> well, nyc feels a lot like sao paulo (where i was born/live now), huge
> city, unkind/always-in-a-rush people (imho)

Doesn't have to be a big city to have that kind of attitude, Niagara Falls 
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Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2

[Maarten Vermeulen]

(sarcastic) Now I need to introduce myself.. :(

I am Maarten
My age is 13 (5th of January 2002)
Live in a town near Amersfoort.
Help with Night DOS (32-bit replacement of Freedos. Project founder: Mercury)
Do my own project: Bird OS.
And like freedos.

I also like school :)
And i love birds (I have cockatiels: 'knaagje' and 'eddy').

Now you all know who I am

Maarten



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Hello Maarten,

It's totally off-topic, but at which city do you live? :)

BTW, Eric (Auer) used to live in Nijmegen (now in Trier)
I have met him in person after years of mentoring
(Eric mentors me on FreeDOS since 2001...)
I also visited Utrecht and Amsterdan
It was very interesting
brazilian reality is quite different compared to europe/usa
well, nyc feels a lot like sao paulo (where i was born/live now), huge
city, unkind/always-in-a-rush people (imho)


Kind Regards,

Geraldo Netto
Sapere Aude => Non dvcor, dvco
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On 24 November 2015 at 03:55, Maarten Vermeulen <netraa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Do you mean: 'hallo, hoe heet je?' That is the sentence in Dutch logic.
> 'hello, what's your name?'
>
> 'ik Ben maarten'
> 'i am maarten'
> now you can talk Dutch;p
> 
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> Verzonden: ‎24-‎11-‎2015 00:21
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> Onderwerp: Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2
>
> Hi,
>
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 8:13 AM, Maarten Vermeulen <netraa...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> For those that didn't know, English is the second language in the
>> Netherlands. Everyone learns it on school and needs to do exam with it.
>> 80%
>> of the Dutch people talk/write English. Also on school you learn German.
>
> I got my flu shot from the local (U.S.) health department today. For
> whatever reason, there were some inane children's shows on tv there,
> in the waiting room. One of them was about a red talking jet (plane),
> and I suppose it was meant to be almost educational for young kids.
> Anyways, he started talking about the Netherlands, apparently
> delivering a package. They mentioned Gouda cheese, tulips, and
> windmills. And he delivered a package to a little boy named Willem
> (mostly speaking English, of course). "Hallo, heet ye" (or whatever,
> "hello, what is your name?", sorry I can't spell it).
>
> Not exactly enlightening, and they don't teach much foreign language
> in schools here, only bare minimum, usually only the same ol' (pardon)
> "boring" languages: Spanish, French, etc. In fact, I double-checked
> online, one of the biggest local universities only offers foreign
> language major (degree) in French, German, Russian, or Spanish. (I'm
> surprised it's even that good.)
>
> Let's check WinRAR to see what languages it (still) supports:  WinRAR
> 5.21 is available in Albanian, Arabic, Armenian, Bulgarian, Chinese
> Simplified, Croatian, Danish, Dutch, Estonian, Finnish, Galician,
> Greek, Hebrew, Indonesian, Lithuanian, Persian, Polish, Portuguese
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Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2

[Maarten Vermeulen]

I maybe be a bit Dutch focused here.
Having Dutch is useful,  (please say if I made a big mistake, this is an 
orientation) +-50% of the Belgium population is talking Dutch, of course a 
little bit different. But hey
Then you have belgium as well.
Put France in it and you have the most common used languages.

France
Dutch
English
Spanish


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Where do you want to get it from?
As well if there's Dutch in it, it us bad translated. Most likely the grammer 
is not good. 
I like the translating


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Verzonden: ‎23-‎11-‎2015 16:09
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Well,a lot of OSes (Windows,Linux) support a ridiciolous amount of 
languages.Perhaps we should use an already avaible language archive?


On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 9:13 AM, Maarten Vermeulen <netraa...@gmail.com> wrote:

For those that didn't know, English is the second language in the Netherlands. 
Everyone learns it on school and needs to do exam with it. 80% of the Dutch 
people talk/write English. Also on school you learn German.

But back to the point...
Should I translate it myself? 
No problem with that! :)
I just translate it and put it there where it should be. Yes in UTF-8. :)
And you decide if it will be added.

You said in the mail before the one I'm answering on, 'i think he is referring 
to the installer, not the software. But, both would be great.'.
Translate software as well? That would be great! Full Dutch language support... 
:)

We'll see. :)

Maarten


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Verzonden: ‎22-‎11-‎2015 23:26
Aan: Technical discussion and questions for FreeDOS developers.
Onderwerp: Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2




On Nov 22, 2015, at 2:48 PM, Maarten Vermeulen <netraa...@gmail.com> wrote:


I like to add to this that I can give you Dutch.
If you like the fact of being lazy, you can give me what you want to translate 
and I translate it.
Or if you want a list of words or whatever else, I can search for it. But it is 
late here so that would probably be tomorrow or even Tuesday... While some 
words can be fast.
You choose. :)



That would be great. Your English is way better than my Dutch. ;) Also, a real 
translation is superior to me just running stuff through google translate. 


I want to finish up the "advanced mode" stuff first. Or at least add their text 
to the translation files first. 


I don't know if Dutch will appear on the language selection screen. If there 
aren't to many, I will add it. Regardless, the installer can support a (more or 
less) unlimited number of languages through by detecting previous installation 
settings and/or the LANG env variable.



Sorry for answering so late. :)



No problem. :)

Maarten



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Verzonden: ‎22-‎11-‎2015 20:40
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Onderwerp: RE: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2


Hi,

I personally like Dutch supported as well.
I'm Dutch and can English but sometimes I prefer my own language. :)
In the very old fdbasecd I liked the option of having Dutch.

Maarten


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Verzonden: ‎20-‎11-‎2015 23:20
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Onderwerp: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2


First:

What languages would you like to see FDI 1.2 support:

English (EN)
Spanish (ES)

(anything else?)

Second:

Nobody has any idea on what additional packages are
to be included in “all packages”?
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Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2

[Maarten Vermeulen]

And sorry... But here is another one! :)
If you put German in it you have al the germanic languages:

English
German
Dutch
:D

But any way the English, Spanish and France language(s) are the most useful. 
Dutch would be great though.

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Van: "Maarten Vermeulen" <netraa...@gmail.com>
Verzonden: ‎23-‎11-‎2015 20:56
Aan: "Maarten Vermeulen" <netraa...@gmail.com>; "Technical discussion and 
questions for FreeDOS developers." <freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
Onderwerp: RE: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2

I maybe be a bit Dutch focused here.
Having Dutch is useful,  (please say if I made a big mistake, this is an 
orientation) +-50% of the Belgium population is talking Dutch, of course a 
little bit different. But hey
Then you have belgium as well.
Put France in it and you have the most common used languages.

France
Dutch
English
Spanish


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Van: Maarten Vermeulen
Verzonden: ‎23-‎11-‎2015 17:38
Aan: Technical discussion and questions for FreeDOS developers.
Onderwerp: RE: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2


Where do you want to get it from?
As well if there's Dutch in it, it us bad translated. Most likely the grammer 
is not good. 
I like the translating


Van: JAYDEN CHARBONNEAU
Verzonden: ‎23-‎11-‎2015 16:09
Aan: Technical discussion and questions for FreeDOS developers.
Onderwerp: Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2


Well,a lot of OSes (Windows,Linux) support a ridiciolous amount of 
languages.Perhaps we should use an already avaible language archive?


On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 9:13 AM, Maarten Vermeulen <netraa...@gmail.com> wrote:

For those that didn't know, English is the second language in the Netherlands. 
Everyone learns it on school and needs to do exam with it. 80% of the Dutch 
people talk/write English. Also on school you learn German.

But back to the point...
Should I translate it myself? 
No problem with that! :)
I just translate it and put it there where it should be. Yes in UTF-8. :)
And you decide if it will be added.

You said in the mail before the one I'm answering on, 'i think he is referring 
to the installer, not the software. But, both would be great.'.
Translate software as well? That would be great! Full Dutch language support... 
:)

We'll see. :)

Maarten


Van: Jerome Shidel
Verzonden: ‎22-‎11-‎2015 23:26
Aan: Technical discussion and questions for FreeDOS developers.
Onderwerp: Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2




On Nov 22, 2015, at 2:48 PM, Maarten Vermeulen <netraa...@gmail.com> wrote:


I like to add to this that I can give you Dutch.
If you like the fact of being lazy, you can give me what you want to translate 
and I translate it.
Or if you want a list of words or whatever else, I can search for it. But it is 
late here so that would probably be tomorrow or even Tuesday... While some 
words can be fast.
You choose. :)



That would be great. Your English is way better than my Dutch. ;) Also, a real 
translation is superior to me just running stuff through google translate. 


I want to finish up the "advanced mode" stuff first. Or at least add their text 
to the translation files first. 


I don't know if Dutch will appear on the language selection screen. If there 
aren't to many, I will add it. Regardless, the installer can support a (more or 
less) unlimited number of languages through by detecting previous installation 
settings and/or the LANG env variable.



Sorry for answering so late. :)



No problem. :)

Maarten



Van: Maarten Vermeulen
Verzonden: ‎22-‎11-‎2015 20:40
Aan: Technical discussion and questions for FreeDOS developers.
Onderwerp: RE: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2


Hi,

I personally like Dutch supported as well.
I'm Dutch and can English but sometimes I prefer my own language. :)
In the very old fdbasecd I liked the option of having Dutch.

Maarten


Van: Jerome E. Shidel Jr.
Verzonden: ‎20-‎11-‎2015 23:20
Aan: Technical discussion and questions for FreeDOS developers.
Onderwerp: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2


First:

What languages would you like to see FDI 1.2 support:

English (EN)
Spanish (ES)

(anything else?)

Second:

Nobody has any idea on what additional packages are
to be included in “all packages”?
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Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2

[Maarten Vermeulen]

For those that didn't know, English is the second language in the Netherlands. 
Everyone learns it on school and needs to do exam with it. 80% of the Dutch 
people talk/write English. Also on school you learn German.

But back to the point...
Should I translate it myself? 
No problem with that! :)
I just translate it and put it there where it should be. Yes in UTF-8. :)
And you decide if it will be added.

You said in the mail before the one I'm answering on, 'i think he is referring 
to the installer, not the software. But, both would be great.'.
Translate software as well? That would be great! Full Dutch language support... 
:)

We'll see. :)

Maarten

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Verzonden: ‎22-‎11-‎2015 23:26
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Onderwerp: Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2



On Nov 22, 2015, at 2:48 PM, Maarten Vermeulen <netraa...@gmail.com> wrote:


I like to add to this that I can give you Dutch.
If you like the fact of being lazy, you can give me what you want to translate 
and I translate it.
Or if you want a list of words or whatever else, I can search for it. But it is 
late here so that would probably be tomorrow or even Tuesday... While some 
words can be fast.
You choose. :)



That would be great. Your English is way better than my Dutch. ;) Also, a real 
translation is superior to me just running stuff through google translate. 


I want to finish up the "advanced mode" stuff first. Or at least add their text 
to the translation files first. 


I don't know if Dutch will appear on the language selection screen. If there 
aren't to many, I will add it. Regardless, the installer can support a (more or 
less) unlimited number of languages through by detecting previous installation 
settings and/or the LANG env variable.



Sorry for answering so late. :)



No problem. :)

Maarten



Van: Maarten Vermeulen
Verzonden: ‎22-‎11-‎2015 20:40
Aan: Technical discussion and questions for FreeDOS developers.
Onderwerp: RE: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2


Hi,

I personally like Dutch supported as well.
I'm Dutch and can English but sometimes I prefer my own language. :)
In the very old fdbasecd I liked the option of having Dutch.

Maarten


Van: Jerome E. Shidel Jr.
Verzonden: ‎20-‎11-‎2015 23:20
Aan: Technical discussion and questions for FreeDOS developers.
Onderwerp: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2


First:

What languages would you like to see FDI 1.2 support:

English (EN)
Spanish (ES)

(anything else?)

Second:

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Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2

[Maarten Vermeulen]

Do you mean: 'hallo, hoe heet je?' That is the sentence in Dutch logic.
'hello, what's your name?'

'ik Ben maarten'
'i am maarten' 
now you can talk Dutch;p

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Onderwerp: Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2

Hi,

On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 8:13 AM, Maarten Vermeulen <netraa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> For those that didn't know, English is the second language in the
> Netherlands. Everyone learns it on school and needs to do exam with it. 80%
> of the Dutch people talk/write English. Also on school you learn German.

I got my flu shot from the local (U.S.) health department today. For
whatever reason, there were some inane children's shows on tv there,
in the waiting room. One of them was about a red talking jet (plane),
and I suppose it was meant to be almost educational for young kids.
Anyways, he started talking about the Netherlands, apparently
delivering a package. They mentioned Gouda cheese, tulips, and
windmills. And he delivered a package to a little boy named Willem
(mostly speaking English, of course). "Hallo, heet ye" (or whatever,
"hello, what is your name?", sorry I can't spell it).

Not exactly enlightening, and they don't teach much foreign language
in schools here, only bare minimum, usually only the same ol' (pardon)
"boring" languages: Spanish, French, etc. In fact, I double-checked
online, one of the biggest local universities only offers foreign
language major (degree) in French, German, Russian, or Spanish. (I'm
surprised it's even that good.)

Let's check WinRAR to see what languages it (still) supports:  WinRAR
5.21 is available in Albanian, Arabic, Armenian, Bulgarian, Chinese
Simplified, Croatian, Danish, Dutch, Estonian, Finnish, Galician,
Greek, Hebrew, Indonesian, Lithuanian, Persian, Polish, Portuguese
Brazilian, Russian, Slovak, Spanish, Swedish, Turkish, Ukrainian,
Vietnamese

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Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2

[Maarten Vermeulen]

Where do you want to get it from?
As well if there's Dutch in it, it us bad translated. Most likely the grammer 
is not good. 
I like the translating

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Verzonden: ‎23-‎11-‎2015 16:09
Aan: "Technical discussion and questions for FreeDOS developers." 
<freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
Onderwerp: Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2

Well,a lot of OSes (Windows,Linux) support a ridiciolous amount of 
languages.Perhaps we should use an already avaible language archive?


On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 9:13 AM, Maarten Vermeulen <netraa...@gmail.com> wrote:

For those that didn't know, English is the second language in the Netherlands. 
Everyone learns it on school and needs to do exam with it. 80% of the Dutch 
people talk/write English. Also on school you learn German.

But back to the point...
Should I translate it myself? 
No problem with that! :)
I just translate it and put it there where it should be. Yes in UTF-8. :)
And you decide if it will be added.

You said in the mail before the one I'm answering on, 'i think he is referring 
to the installer, not the software. But, both would be great.'.
Translate software as well? That would be great! Full Dutch language support... 
:)

We'll see. :)

Maarten


Van: Jerome Shidel
Verzonden: ‎22-‎11-‎2015 23:26
Aan: Technical discussion and questions for FreeDOS developers.
Onderwerp: Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2




On Nov 22, 2015, at 2:48 PM, Maarten Vermeulen <netraa...@gmail.com> wrote:


I like to add to this that I can give you Dutch.
If you like the fact of being lazy, you can give me what you want to translate 
and I translate it.
Or if you want a list of words or whatever else, I can search for it. But it is 
late here so that would probably be tomorrow or even Tuesday... While some 
words can be fast.
You choose. :)



That would be great. Your English is way better than my Dutch. ;) Also, a real 
translation is superior to me just running stuff through google translate. 


I want to finish up the "advanced mode" stuff first. Or at least add their text 
to the translation files first. 


I don't know if Dutch will appear on the language selection screen. If there 
aren't to many, I will add it. Regardless, the installer can support a (more or 
less) unlimited number of languages through by detecting previous installation 
settings and/or the LANG env variable.



Sorry for answering so late. :)



No problem. :)

Maarten



Van: Maarten Vermeulen
Verzonden: ‎22-‎11-‎2015 20:40
Aan: Technical discussion and questions for FreeDOS developers.
Onderwerp: RE: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2


Hi,

I personally like Dutch supported as well.
I'm Dutch and can English but sometimes I prefer my own language. :)
In the very old fdbasecd I liked the option of having Dutch.

Maarten


Van: Jerome E. Shidel Jr.
Verzonden: ‎20-‎11-‎2015 23:20
Aan: Technical discussion and questions for FreeDOS developers.
Onderwerp: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2


First:

What languages would you like to see FDI 1.2 support:

English (EN)
Spanish (ES)

(anything else?)

Second:

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Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2

[Maarten Vermeulen]

Hi,

I personally like Dutch supported as well.
I'm Dutch and can English but sometimes I prefer my own language. :)
In the very old fdbasecd I liked the option of having Dutch.

Maarten

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Onderwerp: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2

First:

What languages would you like to see FDI 1.2 support:

English (EN)
Spanish (ES)

(anything else?)

Second:

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Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2

[Maarten Vermeulen]

I like to add to this that I can give you Dutch.
If you like the fact of being lazy, you can give me what you want to translate 
and I translate it.
Or if you want a list of words or whatever else, I can search for it. But it is 
late here so that would probably be tomorrow or even Tuesday... While some 
words can be fast.
You choose. :)

Sorry for answering so late. :)

Maarten


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Van: "Maarten Vermeulen" <netraa...@gmail.com>
Verzonden: ‎22-‎11-‎2015 20:40
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Onderwerp: RE: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2

Hi,

I personally like Dutch supported as well.
I'm Dutch and can English but sometimes I prefer my own language. :)
In the very old fdbasecd I liked the option of having Dutch.

Maarten


Van: Jerome E. Shidel Jr.
Verzonden: ‎20-‎11-‎2015 23:20
Aan: Technical discussion and questions for FreeDOS developers.
Onderwerp: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2


First:

What languages would you like to see FDI 1.2 support:

English (EN)
Spanish (ES)

(anything else?)

Second:

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Re: [Freedos-devel] FDI 1.2 Questions?

[Maarten Vermeulen]

I think this is a late thing,  sorry for that.

Op 16 sep. 2015 11:17 schreef "Jerome Shidel" :
>
>
> On Sep 15, 2015, at 9:27 PM, Mercury Thirteen 
wrote:
>
>> Could we just give the user the option?
>
>
> I could. But, Jim wants super simple. So, I guess I will have to see if
he wants it to ask or not.

I have my own opinion of this. Because simple is not always better. In fact
it will be difficult to add things.
The user does also have its own opinion in what they want and do. That's
the same if you (in FDBASECD.iso) delete the xfdisk in FDBASECD you need
too install the boot manager by yourself there. If fdisk is away you
couldn't boot it. Maybe this is exaggerated. But it is the same with
choice. You can't get a installer without choice. Eventually you lose
people with that because they can't get it in our "street" then somewhere
else.

I make this point here. But it is true.

Maarten
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Re: [Freedos-devel] mTCP/IP stack by M Brutman is now closed source

[Maarten Vermeulen]

Hi all,

Why are we doing so difficult about something that somebody not want to
do.  It is his thing and we have two options:

- using the old one.
- search for another one.

I don't want to be annoying but it is the case.

Maarten
Op 9 sep. 2015 06:57 schreef "Steve Nickolas" :

> On Tue, 8 Sep 2015, Michael Brutman wrote:
>
> > I am not denying anybody their freedom.  People can choose to use what
> they
> > want.  I have given people a great set of networking tools that make
> > FreeDOS and other flavors of DOS more useful.  You have ranted like a
> > little child because this year the gift was not quite as large as you
> > expected.  Shame on you.
>
> If it makes a difference, the guy sounds almost religiously fundamentalist
> about the whole thing... and has a "gnu.org" e-mail address to boot, so
> prolly *is*...
>
> -uso.
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Re: [Freedos-devel] mTCP/IP stack by M Brutman is now closed source

[Maarten Vermeulen]

Hello all,

I just picked a random email,  but thanks for all the answers. :p

Op 7 sep. 2015 22:37 schreef "Barry de Graaff" :
>
> > Why  is it important to have it open source?
>
> Because:
>
> 1. I do read the source, and also compare between versions the changes so
I can decide if I need/want the new changes.
>
> 2. I actually change software from time to time and also merge my changes
upstream
>
> 3. I prefer free-software out of principle

So it is networking and we want to use it for freedos and that's why it
needs to be open source? Is that it? :)

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