FVWM: [FVWM|FVWM-THEMES] A misconfigure niggle
With my current setup, I am able to load Nautilus via Root menus-System-Nautilus. And, as far as I can tell, almost everything still works. But it is a one-way-street. The screen changes from my FVWM screen to the Gnome screen and I have not discovered how get back to FVWM (restart fvwm-themes does not work). If I opt for Quit FVWM - which still works - I get the following messages on my console screen: [FVWM][scanForPixmap]WARNING Couldn't load image from /usr/share/gnome-system-tools/pixmaps/runlevel.png /usr/share/pixmaps/gnome-eog.xpm menu/. On further checking, the first two files could not be loaded because they do not exist on my setup. I did not know where to look for the third. This is just a niggle. I am very happy with what I have. But if it is readily fixed, I would be glad to know. My current setup is Debian 3.1r1 and fvwm-themes_0.7.0-1_i386.deb. Felix Karpfen -- Felix Karpfen
FVWM: [FVWM THEMES] Configuration Problem?
I use Debian Sarge as my OS and fvwm2 themes from fvwm-themes_0.7.0-1 as my XWindows Manager. Most of the time, my setup works very well. However there is|might be something very wrong with my fvwm2 configuration. Although fvwm2 offers both the Gnome Session Manager and the Gnome file manager (Nautilus) as options (which I used), at present: - fvwm2 + Nautilus causes a lock-up; - fvwm2 + Nautilus + Gnome Session Manager causes an unrecoverable crash. All comments|advice will be gratefully received. Felix Karpfen -- Felix Karpfen
FVWM: [FVWM-THEMES] Configuration error
My attempts to enable sound from the FVWM -Theme Settings screen failed with the following error message: , | Unexisting variant `` in component `settings/gnome/user-menu` ` which, unfortunately, I do not understand. The following additional information may be relevant: , | - My OS is Debian Sarge | | - The (Debian-installed) version of fvwm is | fvwm 2.5.12 compiled on Nov 20 2004 at 21:26:15 | with support for: ReadLine, RPlay, Stroke, XPM, PNG, | Shape, XShm, SM, Bidi text, Xinerama, XRender, XFT, NLS | | -the installed fvwm-themes are: | | fvwm-themes-extra_0.7.0-1_i386.deb | fvwm-themes_0.7.0-1_i386.deb | | And I am running fvwm in conjunction with the Gnome Session Manager ` All advice will be gratefully received. Felix Karpfen -- Felix Karpfen Public Key 72FDF9DF (DH/DSA)
Re: FVWM: Session Management under fvwm2
On Mon, 09 May 2005 00:32:47 +0100, Thomas Adam wrote ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): you might also want to read an article I published on session management and fvwm: http://linuxgazette.net/100/adam.html Belatedly, I have finally located a fvwm man page that appears to address my problems. It says: , | Most users just should put: | | fvwm-themes-start | |as the last line of their .Xclients, .xinitrc or .xsession file. If |you want to use FVWM Themes with a real session manager, say GNOME, you |need to use the --no-start option and put: | | fvwm-themes-start --no-start | gnome-session ` And then? It looks as though both entries are taken seriously. I end up with the gnome desktop and my previous-loaded packages - when loaded onto the desktop - open at the point at which I had left them when I shut down fvwm2. The first tweak suggested in: http://linuxgazette.net/100/adam.html does not appear to work in conjunction with fvwm-themes. I have failed to locate the gnome-session-manager (because I lack a basic familiarity with Gnome) and I suspect that the killall command needs additional modification if it is to start fvwm-themes next time. And, in view of the other posts, where should the xearth command go? Left where it is or into .xinitrc? I venture to send this follow-up, because it looks as though it now needs very little to achieve what I was trying to do. Felix Karpfen -- Felix Karpfen Public Key 72FDF9DF (DH/DSA) -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL: http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FVWM: Session Management under fvwm2
On Sat, 07 May 2005 22:08:33 +0100, Thomas Adam wrote ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): --- Felix Karpfen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would help at least one novice to have an example of an entry in the (personal) configuration file that shows how to make a routinely used menu into a permanent entry whenever fvwm2 is started. If I understand you, you just want to add something like: DestroyMenu mymenu AddToMenu mymenu + program1 Exec exec prog1 + program2 Exec exec prog2 -option Although I doubt that is what you want -- can you provide a clearer example of what you're actually wanting to do? My apologies for failing to mention one important item - I access fvwm2 via fvwm-themes. Here is the content of my personal directory: [EMAIL PROTECTED] felixk]$ ls -l .fvwm/themes/personal/ total 64 -rw-r--r-- 1 felixk felixk 96 Apr 18 2003 bindings-extra -rw-r--r-- 1 felixk felixk 8008 Feb 28 11:52 functions-appbind -rw-r--r-- 1 felixk felixk 776 Apr 28 21:33 functions-appbind-extra -rw-r--r-- 1 felixk felixk 94 Apr 18 2003 functions-extra -rw-r--r-- 1 felixk felixk 1459 Apr 18 2003 globalfeel -rw-r--r-- 1 felixk felixk 678 Mar 16 12:32 menus-extra -rw-r--r-- 1 felixk felixk0 Apr 18 2003 menus-programs-extra -rw-r--r-- 1 felixk felixk 80 Aug 14 2004 startup -rw-r--r-- 1 felixk felixk 95 Apr 18 2003 startup.01.bk -rw-r--r-- 1 felixk felixk 68 Apr 18 2003 stroke-extra And these are the current entries in my startup file (which I imagine needs additions): AddToFunc InitFunction + I Exec sleep 5 + I Exec exec xearth -label -wait 240 The programs that I load routinely are the Opera browser, the Pan newsreader and the Gnome terminal. I load each of them onto a different page and envisage that the pages need to be specified in the start-up file. It would be great if the programs opened at the point at which they were closed when fvwm2 was shutdown. Not really necessary since Opera and Pan do this by default. I hope that I have the terminology correct. Thank you for the prompt reply. Felix Karpfen -- Felix Karpfen Public Key 72FDF9DF (DH/DSA) -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL: http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FVWM: Session Management under fvwm2
The fvwm2 man page includes the following information: ,[ session_management.txt ]- | Fvwm doesn't save any information regarding styles, decors, | functions or menus. If you change any on these resources during | a session (e.g. by issuing Style commands or by using various | modules), these changes are lost after saving and restarting the | session. *** To become permanent, such changes have to be added to | the configuration file.*** ` It would help at least one novice to have an example of an entry in the (personal) configuration file that shows how to make a routinely used menu into a permanent entry whenever fvwm2 is started. For the record, I use one menu per page and switch between pages to access my various (routinely-used) menus. If this information is already documented, I would be grateful to be pointed to the reference. Felix Karpfen -- Felix Karpfen Public Key 72FDF9DF (DH/DSA) -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL: http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FVWM: fvwm default key bindings
Fvwm Mailing List wrote: On Thu, Dec 12, 2002 at 05:16:26PM +0100, Robert Land wrote: Key F5AMPrev (AcceptsFocus) Focus Key F6AMNext (AcceptsFocus) Focus What is the 3rd column in the pasted lines for? The manual declares 'A' would be 'any key' but this does not make sense to me. The third column is the context. Any means that the binding works everywhere, regardless of where the pointer is. Until now I have failed to make sense of references to the context and modifier entries. A very full explanation starts on line 3418 of the fvwm2 man page - easy to find once you know what to look for. Maybe, the syntax (context and modifier) and the full range of codes are also listed in one of the supplied configuration files and my failure results from using fvwm-themes instead of diligently studying the supplied samples. If so, would it be possible to have an entry in the themes-FAQ, that summarises the codes and points to the relevant section of the man page? Felix Karpfen -- Felix Karpfen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Public Key 72FDF9DF (DH/DSA) -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL: http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FVWM: An even better stroke
Fvwm Mailing List wrote: On Tue, Nov 19, 2002 at 08:14:44PM +1100, Felix Karpfen wrote: Would it be possible to call stroke (with Alt + Mouse 2?) from a window that displays a 3x3 grid? This would ensure that my wavery diagonal lines and untrue right angles are close enough to the intended strokes. Do you mean that when you initiate a stroke, a grid pops up to help steering the pointer? That is exactly what I meant. Anyone with a reasonably steady hand (or possibly a higher quality mouse) would not need that help. And anyone with a decent memory would remember a few key|mouse bindings and not need stroke. For users with steadier hands and better memories, it would open up other combinations e.g. 157, 158,14563 and 14569. The list grows. Felix -- Felix Karpfen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Public Key 72FDF9DF (DH/DSA) -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL: http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FVWM: An even better stroke
This is a suggestion from a delighted user, to make an excellent new fvwm2 feature even better - when used by geriatrics whose shaky hands cannot be trusted to draw a simple straight line with any degree of consistency. Would it be possible to call stroke (with Alt + Mouse 2?) from a window that displays a 3x3 grid? This would ensure that my wavery diagonal lines and untrue right angles are close enough to the intended strokes. Felix Karpfen -- Felix Karpfen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Public Key 72FDF9DF (DH/DSA) -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL: http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FVWM: DeskTopSize query
Dan Espen wrote: Felix Karpfen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The (m by n) size (i.e. number of pages) of the virtual desktops can be changed any time, by **using the DeskTopSize built-in command.** Simple. If I could find the built-in command. Do you think it would be clearer if it just said: using the DeskTopSize command. My thanks to both respondents for the prompt replies. I use the supplied man page and load it into the vim editor. If I had searched for DeskTopSize rather than for builtin command I would have got from line 152 to line 4162 of the man page in two jumps. However, the information presented still fails to address my real problem. It points out that I should now be using the GotoDesk command. And the GotoDesk command advises: GotoDesk prev | arg1 [ arg2 ] [ min max ] Switches the current viewport to another desktop (workspace, room). Which still does not tell me how to **run** the command. It looks as though the missing link may be in: FVWM Modules - Start Regular Modules - FVWM Console - GotoDesk [arg]. And, doubtless, sooner or later I will get to the full story in my crawl through the man page(s). Since this exploration is an educational exercise and I am a geriatric with plenty of time on my hands, I can wait until all is revealed - either in man fvwm2 or in man FvwmConsole or perhaps even in man FvwmCommand. Meanwhile, let me flag that I am deriving great joy and satisfaction from the elegance and economy of fvwm2 and from the many useful hints that are contained in answers to queries posted to the user list. Felix Karpfen -- Felix Karpfen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Public Key 72FDF9DF (DH/DSA) -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL: http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FVWM: DeskTopSize query
After using fvwm2 with increasing confidence for some 6 months and gradually learning the fvwm2 language, I am again attempting to read the fvwm2 man page - and crashed almost at Square One. The man page states: The (m by n) size (i.e. number of pages) of the virtual desktops can be changed any time, by **using the DeskTopSize built-in command.** Simple. If I could find the built-in command. I recollect that one fvwm2rc file offers an option that relates to the number of pages on the desktop. Perhaps the fvwm2 man page should be studied while the fvwm2rc file displayed in another window? And, if so, which of the sample-fvwm2rc files? Felix Karpfen -- Felix Karpfen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Public Key 72FDF9DF (DH/DSA) -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL: http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FVWM: .fvwm2rc syntax guide?
szonyi calin wrote: There was a good manual viewer (X11 based) which was acting like a browser (i.e. you had a TOC at the beginning and when you pressed the word on that TOC the program took you right to the place where it was in the manual.) but it seems it's not on the net anymore. For the benefit of other recent arrivals to Fvwm2 - who are equally dismayed by the size (and number) of the relevant man pages: Typing on the command line info fvwm2 loads the man page and all the routines (emacs bindings, I believe) for reading an info file. This can lighten the reading load (yet to be tried). There is also a vim plugin for loading the man page into vim and then use the features of vim (e.g. search, mark, fold, etc) to make the reading of the man page less daunting (tried it and it works). Felix Karpfen -- Felix Karpfen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Public Key 72FDF9DF (DH/DSA) -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL: http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Documentation (was: Re: FVWM: How do I start modules automatically?)
Dominik Vogt wrote: On Fri, Aug 09, 2002 at 12:40:43PM -0400, Stephen Dennison wrote: What would you like to see in such a tutorial? That's a part of the job to figure that out. 2 cents' worth from a new arrival who badly needs such a tutorial. The postings (that I have read) look at suitable formats. But the real issue is _content|sequence of presentation_. My recent efforts to learn to use vim may serve as an illustration. My version of Linux installed vim-5.7. That did all that I am ever likely to need in an editor. But the documentation was unhelpful. I opted to update to vim-6.0 because it came with an Online Manual. The Manual has two parts: a Users Manual; and a Reference Manual. and it is utterly superb. An enormous amount of thought and effort must have gone into the preparation of the Users Manual in selecting the order in which topics are described and previously-described routines are shown in use at later stages - helping newcomers to refresh what they had learnt and had already forgotten again. This posting adds nothing that is not obvious to the experts - the requested project is of mammoth proportions. And if wishes were horses, beggars would ride. Felix Karpfen -- Felix Karpfen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Public Key 72FDF9DF (DH/DSA) -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL: http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FVWM: Codes used in Key|Mouse Bindingd
Below is the start of a quote from the fvwm2 man page. BUILT IN KEY AND MOUSE BINDINGS The following commands are built-in to fvwm: Key Help R A Popup MenuFvwmRoot Key F1 R A Popup MenuFvwmRoot Key Tab A M WindowList Root c c NoDeskSort Key Escape A MC EscapeFunc Mouse 0 R N Menu MenuFvwmRoot Mouse 1 TS A FuncFvwmRaiseLowerX Move Mouse 1 F A FuncFvwmRaiseLowerX Resize AddToFunc FuncFvwmRaiseLowerX I Raise + M $0 + D Lower Since I am attempting to understand one screen of the man page, before I move on to the next (with an occasional resort to a search command), I have so far failed in my attempt to locate the place where the codes: R, A, M, N, TS, 0, 1, etc are defined. Some of the meanings can readily be deduced from the subsequent examples; others can not. If a location exists where all the codes are defined, what do I search for? Felix Karpfen -- Felix Karpfen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Public Key 72FDF9DF (DH/DSA) -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL: http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FVWM: What does xgraph graph?
Dan Espen wrote: Felix Karpfen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have been getting some very odd displays on the graph but, before I go into details, it would help to know just what is being graphed. I think you are refering to the sample.fvwmrc that comes with FVWM. In that case, the program down there would be xload. That program graphs CPU usage. Thank you for the prompt reply. That was one of my guesses. However, apart from the unexplained sudden massive increases in (apparent) CPU usage - which remain unaffected by closing and reloading fvwm2 and only disappear on a reboot of the system - there appears to be little correlation with the graphed display and the output of top. It is a very trivial problem and does not appear to make the slightest difference on the way programs actually run. So if there is no obvious answer, please ignore. Felix Karpfen -- Felix Karpfen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Public Key 72FDF9DF (DH/DSA) -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL: http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FVWM: What does xgraph graph?
This is a fvwm2-Newbie query and the header says it all - assuming that I have got at least the name right. I am referring to the bottom right-hand part of the sticky window that is displayed (in some configurations) when fvwm2 loads (the top part notifies the arrival of mail and the time). I have been getting some very odd displays on the graph but, before I go into details, it would help to know just what is being graphed. Felix Karpfen -- Felix Karpfen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Public Key 72FDF9DF (DH/DSA) -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL: http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FVWM: Correct location of FvwmConf
Mikhael Goikhman wrote: On 06 Apr 2002 11:04:07 +1000, Felix Karpfen wrote: I have downloaded fvwmconf-0.19 to assist me with configuring the successfully-installed fvwm2-2.4.6. If you read the fvwmconf's documentation you may find that the latest version it is tested with was fvwm-2.0.45. Don't use it. Thank you. I am glad I took the time to ask instead of experimenting recklessly. I hope that this list does not assign scores to senders who post needless|foolish questions. What is your goal? If you want to configure FVWM with a minimal effort, install and use fvwm-themes package. There is a separate mailing list for its users. I needed to be told that too. Subscribe request now lodged. If you want to fully configure FVWM, you should learn its man pages and try everything you think you may like. Start from any sample configuration file that works for you and edit it. That looks like my real objective. Appearance - at this point - is a non-issue. The aim is to dispense with needless bloat when using my favourite programs in an XWindows environment. While my installed fvwm2 already does that (more or less), it looks as though I need to learn a new language in order to understand the sample configurations+man page content and get the full benefit of what fvwm2 has to offer. Since I am a geriatric and time is no longer a precious commodity, I have created a new User who starts with the default sample file in ~/.fvwm2rc file and adds bits and pieces from the other samples to see what they do. Some experiments work and some do not. Before I weary with this list with my failures (assuming that this and not the fvwm-themes list is the correct one), I will see what I can discover on my own. Again, many thanks for the prompt and helpful answers. Felix -- Felix Karpfen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Public Key 72FDF9DF (DH/DSA) -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL: http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FVWM: Correct location of FvwmConf
I have downloaded fvwmconf-0.19 to assist me with configuring the successfully-installed fvwm2-2.4.6. fvwmconf makes some suggestions about where to put its FvwmConf file and its fvwm modules - namely /usr/lib/.fvwmconf and /usr/lib/X11/fvwm2. None of which sound right for my box. The Modules installed by fvwm2 are located at /usr/local/libexec/fvwm/2.4.6/, the Executables at /usr/local/bin and the Data files at /usr/local/share/fvwm. Since fvwm2-2.4.6 and fvwmconf-0.19 appear to have somewhat different ideas on appropriate location for their files|directories, I would welcome some additional guidance before I damage something beyond repair. Felix Karpfen -- Felix Karpfen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Public Key 72FDF9DF (DH/DSA) -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL: http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FVWM: (Install)README - does it mean what it says.
Dan Espen wrote: Felix Karpfen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do I really run make install as user, or do I run it as root and set up the file system permissions afterwards. I believe by default it will attempt to install in /usr/local. If you have to be root to write there, then do the install as root. That explains everything - including all my previous (successful) attempts to compile from source codes. The installed programs all ended up in /usr/local. You can configure with --prefix=somedirectory and if you can write in that directory, you don't have to be root. I am looking at the possibility of using the stow program|routines for future compiles from source. But I do not think that fvwm2 is a good candidate for experiments of this sort. And - while having the attention of an fvwm guru - what other readings are an absolute must before I attempt to configure and use the downloaded program. After configure runs it produces a setting of important options it detected, you should review them to make sure they are what you want. The messages from the configure run were - on the whole - very friendly. Specifically the messages advised: Support GNOME, GTK, GDK Imlib, GNOME support in Fvwm. I presume that these messages mean what they say. I have now read the INSTALL.fvwm notes and note that there are compile-time options, most of which are enabled by default. So, before I plunge ahead recklessly, I just want to flag that - on my box - I have opted not to install GNOME. Until now, I have used KDE and the attraction of fvwm2 is its absence of needless bloat. This would be negated if fvwm2 needs more of GNOME than is currently installed. So this email is just a doublecheck that the output of configure can safely be taken at their face value. And I hope that I will succeed in making sense of the man page if the rest of the install runs as smoothly as the first stage did.. I propose to start with a supplied script for fvwm2rc and have downloaded the perl program for tweaking the rc file - after I have found my feet. You might want to make sure you build in the location of your icons so you don't need to put ImagePath in your .fvwm2rc. I will work out what that advice means in due course. The config.log has one line to say that it has checked the imagepath. Meanwhile I would like to send my thanks to all who replied to my first query so promptly and hope that their patience is not put to the test by this follow-up message. Felix Karpfen -- Felix Karpfen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Public Key 72FDF9DF (DH/DSA) -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL: http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FVWM: (Install)README - does it mean what it says.
No flames please. Just be patient with a chicken-hearted Newbie. I downloaded, unpacked and configured fvwm-2.4.6. Before going ahead with the install, I read the README file (fortunately). It said: --- Generally, you should run: ./configure # for full list of options, run: ./configure --help make make install # as a user with proper file system permissions It is very important to make the last step (make install) to ensure that FVWM works properly. Do I really run make install as user, or do I run it as root and set up the file system permissions afterwards. And - while having the attention of an fvwm guru - what other readings are an absolute must before I attempt to configure and use the downloaded program. All (hand-holding) help will be gratefully received. Felix Karpfen -- Felix Karpfen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Public Key 72FDF9DF (DH/DSA) -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL: http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
