Re: OS X and OS X Server differences?

[Clark Martin]

Dennis Myhand wrote:
> Clark Martin wrote:
>> Dennis Myhand wrote:
>>> What is the difference between 10.4 and 10.4 server?  Are they basically 
>>> the same OS with Server being able to provide network resources to 
>>> clients who log on?  Or is there more to it than that?  Thanks, Dennis
>> The OS is basically the same but Server includes several applications 
>> for providing services and the control of same.
>>
>> They are treated differently in Software Update.  There are different 
>> versions of the OS updates for the two.
>>
> 
> Can Server run the same programs as the other OS X can?  Such as Office 
> suites, audio or video editors, games, language programs?

Yes.  And it can have multiple users but setting them is a bit more 
complicated.


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Re: New to Macs with a FrankenSawtooth

[Paul]

If I understand Sawtooth right, it was both the AGP Video model of the
G4, and the Gigabyte Ethernet model when it had the single processor.

The Sawtooth has a 100 MHz bus, so PC100 memory is standard. A lot of
PC133 memory will also work, but I've heard that some newer ones are
different and can cause trouble. I don't know how to tell the
difference, but I'm sure the info can be Googled. If the PC133 memory
is the newer non-compatible-with-PC100 type, I think you're supposed
to avoid installing it at all.

You can run the free utility DIMMFirstAid to check out your memory.
After the 4.8.2 firmware update, some memory (even PC100) won't work,
but DIMM First Aid is supposed to whip the non-working ones back into
shape. A lot of memory salvaged from old PC's (and Macs) will work
fine. And OWC's new memory prices are quite low.

If your power supply has a 20-pin main plug, some (maybe all) G3 and
G4 power supplies with 20 pins will also work. The 22-pin PS (used in
Gigabit and Digital Audio models) has extra power output for the ADC
video card. That video card can still be used in the 20-pin G4, but
only the VGA port will work.

Also see if there's a local Apple user group in town. They often have
classified ads, swaps, and people glad to help get your Sawtooth in
shape.
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Re: Backing up "users" without backing up the whole OS X Boot volume

[Kris Tilford]

On Nov 12, 2008, at 8:31 PM, Mullin9 wrote:

> So if l buy a new Mac, or I get a new Hard Drive, I could migrate my
> "User" from the USB thumb drive, rather than relying on a Hard drive.

I don't think Migration Assistant looks initially for individual files  
and folders, it starts looking for a bootable Mac System, and if it  
doesn't find one, it won't offer to migrate anything.

You can manually migrate your User folder. Setup the same identical  
account name, and then I think it's a simple drag 'n' drop and hit  
"Replace" and you've got it.

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Backing up "users" without backing up the whole OS X Boot volume

[Mullin9]

I would to make a Mac OS X volume, but just enough of it to back up my
setting, and my "user" name to log on, not a whole Boot disk,
and have it on my USB jump disk, and have just enough of "System" and
"Finder" for the "Migration Assistant" to see it as an OS X to migrate
my "User"  from.

So if l buy a new Mac, or I get a new Hard Drive, I could migrate my
"User" from the USB thumb drive, rather than relying on a Hard drive.
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Re: OS X and OS X Server differences?

[Dennis Myhand]

Clark Martin wrote:
> Dennis Myhand wrote:
>> What is the difference between 10.4 and 10.4 server?  Are they basically 
>> the same OS with Server being able to provide network resources to 
>> clients who log on?  Or is there more to it than that?  Thanks, Dennis
> 
> The OS is basically the same but Server includes several applications 
> for providing services and the control of same.
> 
> They are treated differently in Software Update.  There are different 
> versions of the OS updates for the two.
> 

Can Server run the same programs as the other OS X can?  Such as Office 
suites, audio or video editors, games, language programs?

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Re: OS X and OS X Server differences?

[Doug Burton]

On Nov 12, 2008, at 8:04 PM, Clark Martin wrote:

>
> Dennis Myhand wrote:
>> What is the difference between 10.4 and 10.4 server?  Are they  
>> basically
>> the same OS with Server being able to provide network resources to
>> clients who log on?  Or is there more to it than that?  Thanks,  
>> Dennis
>
> The OS is basically the same but Server includes several applications
> for providing services and the control of same.
>
> They are treated differently in Software Update.  There are different
> versions of the OS updates for the two.
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Clark Martin

As Dan said earlier, just use 10.4.x and Sharepoints.  That is what I  
use and it works great.  No way to justify the additional cost of  
server in my book.

Just a message from Doug...


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Re: OS X and OS X Server differences?

[Clark Martin]

Dennis Myhand wrote:
> What is the difference between 10.4 and 10.4 server?  Are they basically 
> the same OS with Server being able to provide network resources to 
> clients who log on?  Or is there more to it than that?  Thanks, Dennis

The OS is basically the same but Server includes several applications 
for providing services and the control of same.

They are treated differently in Software Update.  There are different 
versions of the OS updates for the two.




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Re: Have I waited long enough to move up to Leopard?

[Digital Bill]

Well, it sure looks like I stirred up a hornet's nest!

Thanks to all for the input. I have the dual 867 G4 MDD maxed out at
2GB RAM and added a Radeon 9600 Pro some time back which greatly
improved video performance. And I keep an eye on internal and external
HD performance, so I guess I've done all I can do if I decide to give
Leopard a whirl at some point.

It's certainly not a priority at the moment -- never a good idea to do
ANY major upgrades when on deadline -- but at least the cloned main
drive (thanks to SuperDuper!) is insurance if I take it for a test
drive and then decide to revert back to the tried-and-true Tiger
intall.
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OS X and OS X Server differences?

[Dennis Myhand]

What is the difference between 10.4 and 10.4 server?  Are they basically 
the same OS with Server being able to provide network resources to 
clients who log on?  Or is there more to it than that?  Thanks, Dennis

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Re: Current HD costs update

[Dan]

At 12:44 PM -0500 11/12/2008, Len Gerstel wrote:
>On Nov 12, 2008, at 11:58 AM, Dan wrote:
>  > On another note... There are a lot of 1 TB drives going for $99 or
>>  less right now.  Careful, folx!  Many of them are LP size (normal
>>  3.5" drives) but then they're 5400rpm instead of 7200 rpm!  So they
>>  cannot keep up with their fast SATA or USB 2 or FW interfaces!   IOW,
>>  they're cheap because they're s l o o o o o w.
>
>Just remember, slow is a relative term. They won't saturate a FW or
>SATA channel at full throughput, but may max out a usb 2 interface.

Real interfaces vs the USB-Joke.  ROFLable but I'm too tired.  sigh. :)

>Also, remember that even a slow drive by todays standards will be
>faster than HDs of 2-3 years ago.

Yea, IF you keep your i/o smaller than the drive's buffer.  Adding a 
bigger buffer while slowing the drive down is the equiv of putting a 
sleek runner's outfit on a fat pig.  Areal density notwithstanding, 
these drives still have the long latencies and seek times.

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Re: Current HD costs update

[Dan]

At 12:39 PM -0500 11/12/2008, Donald Hall wrote:
>On Nov 12, 2008, at 11:58 AM, Dan wrote:
>>  On another note... There are a lot of 1 TB drives going for $99 or
>>  less right now.  Careful, folx!  Many of them are LP size (normal
>>  3.5" drives) but then they're 5400rpm instead of 7200 rpm!  So they
>>  cannot keep up with their fast SATA or USB 2 or FW interfaces!   IOW,
>>  they're cheap because they're s l o o o o o w.
>
>Just about any recent 3.5" drive can completely saturate a USB 2 or 
>Firewire interface.  The 5400 RPM 1TB drives are fine for FW or USB 
>interfaces, with an average speed of 68MB/sec.  The average USB
>interface might reach 25MB/sec, FW is 35-37MB/sec (out of 40),

You've actually had a 5400 rpm drive push data at those speeds? 
Tailored benchmarks are nice, but I'm not seeing half that, in real 
world tests.

>To say that a 5400 RPM drive is slow isn't exactly accurate.  They're
>slower than other comparable sized drives, but they are still
>considerably faster than any drive 400GB or less.

heh. Try running a Mac on a 3.5" 5400rpm drive.  It will be 
noticeably slower than if booted / running on a 7200rpm drive.

>You're also missing the intended use for the drive.

No.  I'm just pointing out that getting all glowy eyed over the 10c 
per GB, without further investigation, is now a problem.  The product 
has been downsized and the package is the same.

>Their ideal purpose is to be put into places with limited needs where their
>slightly slower performance won't be an issue

Yes.  IF you, the consumer, know what you're buying in the first place!

>http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/terabyte-samsung-spinpoint,2026-6.html

Nice read.  Again, benchmarks vs real world usage.

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Re: Current HD costs update

[Donald Hall]

On Nov 12, 2008, at 11:58 AM, Dan wrote:
> On another note... There are a lot of 1 TB drives going for $99 or
> less right now.  Careful, folx!  Many of them are LP size (normal
> 3.5" drives) but then they're 5400rpm instead of 7200 rpm!  So they
> cannot keep up with their fast SATA or USB 2 or FW interfaces!   IOW,
> they're cheap because they're s l o o o o o w.

Just about any recent 3.5" drive can completely saturate a USB 2 or  
Firewire interface.  The 5400 RPM 1TB drives are fine for FW or USB  
interfaces, with an average speed of 68MB/sec.  The average USB  
interface might reach 25MB/sec, FW is 35-37MB/sec (out of 40), and  
FW800 has a theoretical max of 80MB/sec, which is never achieved since  
Apple used a poor FW800 chipset.  No drive on the market has been able  
to completely saturate a SATA interface.  The 1.5TB drives barely  
reach 140MB/sec, mine are usually 110-125MB/sec.

To say that a 5400 RPM drive is slow isn't exactly accurate.  They're  
slower than other comparable sized drives, but they are still  
considerably faster than any drive 400GB or less.  If you're still  
running your system off an original 80/160/250GB HD, a new 1TB 5400  
RPM drive will will be a remarkable improvement.

You're also missing the intended use for the drive.  Their ideal  
purpose is to be put into places with limited needs where their  
slightly slower performance won't be an issue and their significantly  
reduced power draw can be appreciated.  Places such as media devices  
(Tivo, and other video boxes), media storage, external FW/USB HDs, and  
most home/office computers which don't need lightning-fast disk access.

If you're editing multiple video streams or recording 20+ audio  
tracks, you probably need a 7200RPM drive.  But most people don't and  
won't even notice a difference.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/terabyte-samsung-spinpoint,2026-6.html

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Re: Current HD costs update

[Len Gerstel]

On Nov 12, 2008, at 11:58 AM, Dan wrote:
>
>
> On another note... There are a lot of 1 TB drives going for $99 or
> less right now.  Careful, folx!  Many of them are LP size (normal
> 3.5" drives) but then they're 5400rpm instead of 7200 rpm!  So they
> cannot keep up with their fast SATA or USB 2 or FW interfaces!   IOW,
> they're cheap because they're s l o o o o o w.

Just remember, slow is a relative term. They won't saturate a FW or  
SATA channel at full throughput, but may max out a usb 2 interface.  
Also, remember that even a slow drive by todays standards will be  
faster than HDs of 2-3 years ago.

While they are only 5400 rpm, the density is going up so that the  
same number of bits is flowing under the head per second as an older  
320GB 7200 rpm drive. Where they will be measurably slower will be  
compared to the same size drive running at 7200 rpm.

Streaming music, storing jpegs, they are faster than needed for one  
user. Streaming video for HD real time FinalCut Pro editing projects  
and you will probably want something faster.

Len


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Re: Current HD costs update

[Sam Macomber]

>
> At 9:24 AM -0500 11/12/2008, Len Gerstel wrote:
>> A couple of weeks ago we were talking about upgrade SATA drives and
>> that the many drives have hit the 10 cents/GB (US) point.
>
>>> Seagate is investigating an issue where a small number of Barracuda
>>> 7200.11 (1.5TB SATA) hard drives randomly pause or hang for up to
>>> several seconds during certain write operations. This does not
>>> result in data loss nor does it impact the reliability of the drive
>>> but is an inconvenience to the user that we are working to resolve
>>> with an upgradeable firmware.
>
> Thx for the heads-up, Len!  Hopefully Seagate will get a firmware fix
> out quickly.
>
> On another note... There are a lot of 1 TB drives going for $99 or
> less right now.  Careful, folx!  Many of them are LP size (normal
> 3.5" drives) but then they're 5400rpm instead of 7200 rpm!  So they
> cannot keep up with their fast SATA or USB 2 or FW interfaces!   IOW,
> they're cheap because they're s l o o o o o w.


which means they'd make a great back up drive ;)

-sam

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Re: USB external HD unmount on it's own?

[Dan]

At 9:03 AM -0800 11/12/2008, Jeffrey Engle wrote:
>two external drives after minutes of being connected via USB2.0 
>unmount themselves?

Volumes do not spontaneously unmount.  Check the system log.

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Re: Cloning

[Dan]

At 9:27 AM -0700 11/12/2008, Bruce Johnson wrote:
>On Nov 11, 2008, at 1:48 PM, Dan wrote:
>
>>  I"m waiting for 'em to support segmenting for burning.  The idea
>>  being to to divide the backup into DVD-sided chunks, to facilitate
>>  easy burning.  Kindof the way DiskFit did, back in the early 1990s,
>>  with floppies.
>
>There's an old unix command-line utility to do that: split. I'd 
>experiment first but I"m pretty sure you can pipe the output of a 
>command into split and spit out various sized chunks.

Splitting a giant CCC-created sparse disk image is easy enough.

   hdiutil segment -o volume.dmg -segmentSize 4.37g temp.dmg

But once split, it's useless until rejoined.  Having to read n DVDs 
just to recover one file?  ew.

DiskFit shuffled things around so the files on the floppies were not 
"split" unless they were physically larger than the floppy.  That way 
individual file recoveries were a snap - just a Finder drag!

I want a diskfit-like operation.  Have CCC directly create n 4 GB dmg 
files, appropriately filling and shuffling the files between them for 
me, splitting >4GB individual files only when absolutely necessary.

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Re: See You Later...

[Al]

On Nov 11, 8:54 pm, Kyle Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> here btw.  I was just pointing out that this was not the iMac list. In the
> meantime I will contact the list owner and see what he wants to do about
> possible merging a couple lists or making an iMac exception of some sort.
>
Thanks for proposing a review.

Question:  What is the unique purpose, if any, for the Macintel List?
Granted, it was the first in lowendmac to cover Macintel machines, but
now it is wholly redundant.

Comment:  I know this will strike a few raw nerves, but we have G-
Books and G4 'Book List.  By the same model rationale, we could have
separate lists for pre-Intel iMacs and Intel iMacs, also separate
lists for pre-Intel Minis and Intel Minis.  Why not recombine the G-
Books and G4 'Book List  and call it Pre-Intel Books?  Also, combine
the pre-intel iMacs and Minis into one list, and combine the Intel
iMacs and Intel Minis and call that Consumer Macs List.

Al Poulin
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USB external HD unmount on it's own?

[Jeffrey Engle]

two external drives after minutes of being connected via USB2.0  
unmount themselves? what's with that? anybody heard of such thing? and  
google left me blank... Thanks, Jeff

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Re: Background speed test alert?

[Dan]

At 9:35 PM -0800 11/11/2008, Jonas Lopez wrote:
>Background speed test alert?
>
>It would be nice to have a background speed test to alert us when 
>the network is below a min speed.
>
>I got DSL 384/47 should be 1400/368.
>
>Could a speed test be done using a ping test running in the 
>background just like the clock checker does?

There's probably a gizmo around that can do a timed file download [*] 
or something and complain about the results, but I'm not sure how 
useful it would be  There are so many factors involved.  How 
would such an automated gizmo know to *not* warn you when the 
connection is slow because you're just using the bandwidth for other 
things?

[*] That's what those speed tests, such as Speakeasy's, are really 
doing.  Pings are of little use for throughput testing.

If your dsl circuit is tanking out, it would be better to diagnose it 
and get it fixed... than to chew up your bandwidth running speed 
tests...

- Dan.
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Re: Current HD costs update

[Dan]

At 9:24 AM -0500 11/12/2008, Len Gerstel wrote:
>A couple of weeks ago we were talking about upgrade SATA drives and
>that the many drives have hit the 10 cents/GB (US) point.

>>Seagate is investigating an issue where a small number of Barracuda 
>>7200.11 (1.5TB SATA) hard drives randomly pause or hang for up to 
>>several seconds during certain write operations. This does not 
>>result in data loss nor does it impact the reliability of the drive 
>>but is an inconvenience to the user that we are working to resolve 
>>with an upgradeable firmware.

Thx for the heads-up, Len!  Hopefully Seagate will get a firmware fix 
out quickly.

On another note... There are a lot of 1 TB drives going for $99 or 
less right now.  Careful, folx!  Many of them are LP size (normal 
3.5" drives) but then they're 5400rpm instead of 7200 rpm!  So they 
cannot keep up with their fast SATA or USB 2 or FW interfaces!   IOW, 
they're cheap because they're s l o o o o o w.

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Re: Cloning

[Bruce Johnson]

On Nov 11, 2008, at 1:48 PM, Dan wrote:

> I"m waiting for 'em to support segmenting for burning.  The idea
> being to to divide the backup into DVD-sided chunks, to facilitate
> easy burning.  Kindof the way DiskFit did, back in the early 1990s,
> with floppies.

There's an old unix command-line utility to do that: split. I'd  
experiment first but I"m pretty sure you can pipe the output of a  
command into split and spit out various sized chunks.

As of 10.4 you needed to compile the latest version to get pieces  
larger than 2GB 

You would need to write an applescript wrapper around CCC if  there  
isn't a command-line version of CCC.

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Re: See You Later...

[Bruce Johnson]

On Nov 11, 2008, at 6:54 PM, Kyle Hansen wrote:

> That being said I was not in any way trying to drive someone away.   
> It was
> just that this is not the iMac list, and it seems like all the  
> people that
> should be on the iMac list were just posting here.  Either because  
> they
> didn't realize that there even was an iMac list, didn't read the list
> descriptions when they signed up or just don't care.

Or they don't get answers when they do post. The dilution of the lists  
really makes a difference in the quality and quantity of replies.

I won't go into my usual rant about ghettoizing ourselves, but note:

G3-5 list 1401 members
iMac list  897 members
Leopard list 29 members.

If you're going to ask questions, wouldn't you go to the largest  
audience, especially since these system-specific hardware issues  
rarely comprise more than half of the questions ever asked on ANY of  
the lists.

Thank you, Kyle, for the kind words.

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Re: Current HD costs update

[Len Gerstel]

A couple of weeks ago we were talking about upgrade SATA drives and  
that the many drives have hit the 10 cents/GB (US) point. Now that  
the Seagate 1.5TB 7200.11 SATA has hit $150 (latest deal includes a  
4GB usb stick and free shipping), I thought I would warn people that  
Seagate is having an "issue" with the 1.5TB drives.

 From a site called the Techreport.com:
http://tinyurl.com/67fcpz

> We shot off an e-mail to Seagate last week to inquire about these  
> problems. We've now received a response from company spokesman Mike  
> Hall, who's written the following:
>
> Seagate is investigating an issue where a small number of  
> Barracuda 7200.11 (1.5TB SATA) hard drives randomly pause or hang  
> for up to several seconds during certain write operations. This  
> does not result in data loss nor does it impact the reliability of  
> the drive but is an inconvenience to the user that we are working  
> to resolve with an upgradeable firmware.

Since most people who use these drives will be using them for media  
servers and such (Bruce's supported faculty being an exception), that  
several second pause could be a deal killer on these drives.

So anyone tempted by 1.5TB for $150 may want to think twice before  
buying the current Seagate until this is worked out.

And, no, I am not a Seagate hater. They are my first choice when it  
comes to primary drives.

Len


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Background speed test alert?

[Jonas Lopez]

Background speed test alert?

It would be nice to have a background speed test to alert us when the network 
is below a min speed. 

I got DSL 384/47 should be 1400/368. 

Could a speed test be done using a ping test running in the background just 
like the clock checker does?

jml



  

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Re: See You Later...

[Ted Treen]

Dan wrote:
> At 3:21 PM -0800 11/11/2008, Simon Royal wrote:
>   
>> Well after being told this is a PowerMac list, I have joined the iMac
>> list for my eMacs.
>> See you later, it has been good while I was here.
>> 
>
> Stay subscribed to all the LEM lists.  Most of the knowledge and 
> activity is on g3-5.  The rest are diluted shadows.
>
> - Dan.
>   
I don't have an iMac or an eMac - but friends do, and as I'm their first 
port of call in troubles, I welcome the widening of my knowledge here.

Best to all,

Ted

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