Re: Dual upgrade for Digital Audio
On Jun 22, 2009, at 12:03 AM, Ralph Green wrote: I tried a QS processor in an earlier G4 chassis today. It did not work, and I am wondering what to try next. The G4 was an older model than I expected. It is a Sawtooth model. There are two basic later G4 processor types: 133 MHz bus and 100 MHz bus. A QS processor is for a 133 MHz bus model, and it will only work in 133 MHz bus models, namely the DA and the QS 2001 and QS 2002, only. The earlier processors, such as a Gigabit E-net may work in several models, but I'm not as sure of how far the 100 MHz bus processor compatibility goes. Giga-Designs (and the OWC-branded processors which Giga-Designs makes for OWC) are designed for both 133 and 100 MHz bus models. Other than the bus speed, there is the issue of the location of the processor's connector, clearances for certain other connectors on the motherboard, and the location of the cooling fans. The innovative Giga-Designs product is designed to be adjustable to cover all 133 and most 100 MHz bus models in one user-configurable product. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: digital audio processor upgrade
Absolutely. However, I wouldn't get one off of eBay. I just recently bought one from OWC. It is a 1.6Ghz. It required an installation program which ran off a CD which required booting off the CD, pressing the programmer switch and then booting up and running a program which modified the boot rom, It modifies the rom so you can boot into OS X, then you run another routine so you can run System 9 under OS X and another routine so you can boot into System 9. There maybe a couple of other routines to run, I'd have to dig out the manual to see. This runs fine now. If you were to buy a processor off of eBay you probably could just plug it in, but I don't know for sure. A processor off of eBay would be cheap and wouldn't give you much of a speed boost. Personally, my rule of thumb on upgrading processors is to go 4X faster or get a new computer. This thing cost me about $240 and if you need to you can talk to OWC tech support. smac0031 On Jun 21, 7:50 pm, jomac eoj...@gmail.com wrote: is it possible to put a faster apple processor in a digital audio 466mhz power mac? apple processors are available on ebay pretty cheap, and i'd like to know if this is a viable alternative to a non- apple upgrade? if it can be done, what is the fastest apple processor that will work in my model. thanks --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
monitor
My SuperScan Mc 611 RasterOps monitor is looking a little pink these days, so I am interested in buying a new LCD style monitor to use with my BW. Sonnet G-4 upgrade. Can anyone give me an idea of what to look for in a new monitor? Specs? I do mostly music arranging, so I need good resolution and color. Thanks for any suggestions. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?
On Jun 19, 10:37 am, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On Jun 18, 2009, at 1:47 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: If the battery is alive and the machine does not start you might try cleaning the battery contacts in the holder. Sometimes just spinning the battery in place is enough to break through the insulating coating whatever it's nature. And we have a winner! Apparently, tiny bits of oxidation, or something can build up on contacts. When my VCR or TV remote stops working, I take the batteries out, swap their positions, put them back in, and I'm good for another several months without replacing them. Spinning them works sometimes too. Jeff Walther --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?
On Jun 19, 12:17 pm, Clark Martin cm...@sonic.net wrote: Bruce Johnson wrote: Well, Media Computer is a bit more grandiloquent than computer attached to the teevee for the purposes of playing music, watching video podcasts, DVD's and surfing the web. I'm not doing DVR or anything fancy like that. In the future I'm looking to consolidate our media libraries onto a single server and access it from all the computers in the house, but for now, I can keep stuff synched pretty easily. I have a G4 Mac Mini, 1.4 GHz, 320Gb HD, 1Gb RAM I use as a media computer. I really like the compact form factor, it sits next to the DVD player on the shelf. It has an El Gato Eye TV 250 Plus TV receiver attached. It connects to a 52 LCD HDTV. Have either of you two considered MythTV? It takes a bit of fiddling, but you're both pros at that. http://www.mythtv.org Jeff Walther --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?
On Jun 22, 2009, at 7:59 AM, trag wrote: Have either of you two considered MythTV? It takes a bit of fiddling, but you're both pros at that. http://www.mythtv.org Haven't looked into it in a while, but my old G4 just does not have the horsepower to do a lot of that stuff. Were I to go that route I'd build a small Linux box or get a Mac Mini to do the job. A future project. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?
On Jun 22, 2009, at 7:57 AM, trag wrote: And we have a winner! Apparently, tiny bits of oxidation, or something can build up on contacts. When my VCR or TV remote stops working, I take the batteries out, swap their positions, put them back in, and I'm good for another several months without replacing them. Spinning them works sometimes too. This puzzled me a little, since I had removed and replaced the battery, this usually works. Must have been a little more oxidized than usual. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?
ok, got this 2.5 sata drive plugged into this 3.5 enclosure... question: can the power supplied to the 3.5 enclosure be too much for this 2.5 drive? (what I'm doing is testing the enclosure to see if it's good, and the only drive I have to use is a 2.5 sata drive from a mac mini). Jeff Jeffrey Engle macgu...@gmail.com PowerMac G4 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?
trag wrote: On Jun 19, 12:17 pm, Clark Martin cm...@sonic.net wrote: Bruce Johnson wrote: Well, Media Computer is a bit more grandiloquent than computer attached to the teevee for the purposes of playing music, watching video podcasts, DVD's and surfing the web. I'm not doing DVR or anything fancy like that. In the future I'm looking to consolidate our media libraries onto a single server and access it from all the computers in the house, but for now, I can keep stuff synched pretty easily. I have a G4 Mac Mini, 1.4 GHz, 320Gb HD, 1Gb RAM I use as a media computer. I really like the compact form factor, it sits next to the DVD player on the shelf. It has an El Gato Eye TV 250 Plus TV receiver attached. It connects to a 52 LCD HDTV. Have either of you two considered MythTV? It takes a bit of fiddling, but you're both pros at that. http://www.mythtv.org My setup with Leopard is working so I can't really see changing to something that needs fiddling. And it doesn't support my EyeTV so No, I wouldn't consider it. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: monitor
Lawrence David Eden wrote: My SuperScan Mc 611 RasterOps monitor is looking a little pink these days, so I am interested in buying a new LCD style monitor to use with my BW. Sonnet G-4 upgrade. Can anyone give me an idea of what to look for in a new monitor? Specs? I do mostly music arranging, so I need good resolution and color. Thanks for any suggestions. I've recently bought two LCD monitors. In both cases I looked around and ended up ordering them from www.geeks.com. They were both refurbished units and both cost around $100. One was an HP 1600x1200 monitor, it has three bad pixels. The other is a Dell 1280 x 1024 monitor and I haven't spotted any bad pixels on it. Both have VGA and DVI inputs. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?
On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 1:03 PM, MacGuymacgu...@gmail.com wrote: ok, got this 2.5 sata drive plugged into this 3.5 enclosure... question: can the power supplied to the 3.5 enclosure be too much for this 2.5 drive? I've always gone by the rule that if they have exactly the same connectors then they are/should be getting exactly the same power. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_ATA#Power_supply If the 2.5 drives have different power requirements than the 3.5 then I would think that is something which is handled internal to the drive. But as always I am curious to see what other have to say. -irrational john --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: monitor
On Jun 22, 2009, at 5:22 AM, Lawrence David Eden wrote: My SuperScan Mc 611 RasterOps monitor is looking a little pink these days, so I am interested in buying a new LCD style monitor to use with my BW. Sonnet G-4 upgrade. Can anyone give me an idea of what to look for in a new monitor? Specs? I do mostly music arranging, so I need good resolution and color. Thanks for any suggestions. I have an Acer 19 wide screen I've had for a couple years now. I forget the model number (AL19 -something) but it's been a champ performer since I got it. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?
On Jun 22, 2009, at 10:03 AM, MacGuy wrote: ok, got this 2.5 sata drive plugged into this 3.5 enclosure... question: can the power supplied to the 3.5 enclosure be too much for this 2.5 drive? (what I'm doing is testing the enclosure to see if it's good, and the only drive I have to use is a 2.5 sata drive from a mac mini). Jeff No. So long as you can connect them (and both 2.5 and 3.5 drives require the same volatges) things should work out fine. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?
On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 2:00 PM, Bruce Johnsonjohn...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: No. So long as you can connect them (and both 2.5 and 3.5 drives require the same voltages) things should work out fine. I don't know how pertinent to this thread this is, but I'm not positive they use the same voltages. I agree that since both 2.5 3.5 drives use the same connector then the same voltages should be *supplied* to the drive. However, I don't know how they could pull off the trick of powering a 2.5 drive from a USB connector unless the 2.5 drives required anything other than 5v. I've always assumed that the 2.5 drives simply ignored the 12v power line in the connector (and probably also the 3.3v ... as apparently most (all?) of the 3.5 drives do in order to allow them to be powered via a 5v 12v 4-pin molex connector plugged into a SATA power connector adapter). I hate it when manufacturers take shortcuts and don't fully implement a spec. But it's a fact of life that they do this when everbody knows it will work. It wouldn't surprise me at all if the 12v (and 3.3v) pins on most laptop supplies were open. Sorry to view off point so far. -irrational john --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?
On 6/22/2009 9:53 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Jun 22, 2009, at 7:59 AM, trag wrote: Have either of you two considered MythTV? It takes a bit of fiddling, but you're both pros at that. http://www.mythtv.org Haven't looked into it in a while, but my old G4 just does not have the horsepower to do a lot of that stuff. Were I to go that route I'd build a small Linux box or get a Mac Mini to do the job. A future project. I second Bruce on this one, I think a Linux box would do just fine. I can't seem to find on their site though who it pulls video into the machinejust through the cat5? Or, does the machine need a capture card? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Fwd: monitor
On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 8:22 AM, Lawrence David Edenlde...@comcast.net wrote: Can anyone give me an idea of what to look for in a new monitor? Specs? I don't consider myself very knowledgeable about monitors ... I'm partially color blind for one thing ... so I wasn't going to say anything. In hindsight I suppose I could off up my pet peeve with my current monitor, a 19 Samsung 941BW. When watching some video, it's clear in dimly lit scenes that the contrast is not as good as what I took for granted on my previous CRT monitor. That said it doesn't bug me enough to change. But one thing you might consider in a new monitor is how good a contrast ratio (?) it has. FWIW, I think most of the latest crop of monitors is much better than than the one I have. -irrational john --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?
On Jun 22, 2009, at 11:14 AM, John Martz wrote: On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 2:00 PM, Bruce Johnsonjohn...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: No. So long as you can connect them (and both 2.5 and 3.5 drives require the same voltages) things should work out fine. I don't know how pertinent to this thread this is, but I'm not positive they use the same voltages. I agree that since both 2.5 3.5 drives use the same connector then the same voltages should be *supplied* to the drive. However, I don't know how they could pull off the trick of powering a 2.5 drive from a USB connector unless the 2.5 drives required anything other than 5v. I've always assumed that the 2.5 drives simply ignored the 12v power line in the connector (and probably also the 3.3v ... as apparently most (all?) of the 3.5 drives do in order to allow them to be powered via a 5v 12v 4-pin molex connector plugged into a SATA power connector adapter). I hate it when manufacturers take shortcuts and don't fully implement a spec. But it's a fact of life that they do this when everbody knows it will work. It wouldn't surprise me at all if the 12v (and 3.3v) pins on most laptop supplies were open. Sorry to view off point so far. -irrational john Well after plugging the 2.5 into the I/O board and the power supply, the 2.5 booted and ran fine. However when the 3.5 drive was used, it wouldn't even mount on the desktop? This icydock enclosure has always given me grief when it was hooked up via USB... it would unmount itself after 3 mins or less time plugged/ mounted on the desktop? This must be a power supply issue then... wonder where to get another power supply for it? I hate to chuck it in the trash Jeff --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?
On Jun 22, 2009, at 11:11 AM, nestamicky wrote: I second Bruce on this one, I think a Linux box would do just fine. I can't seem to find on their site though who it pulls video into the machinejust through the cat5? Or, does the machine need a capture card? yeah hardware specs call for some sort of video capture, either via a PCI or USB device. Many HD cable boxes have FW out for this purpose, too. See here http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-3.html#ss3.1 -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?
On Jun 22, 2009, at 11:34 AM, MacGuy wrote: Well after plugging the 2.5 into the I/O board and the power supply, the 2.5 booted and ran fine. However when the 3.5 drive was used, it wouldn't even mount on the desktop? This icydock enclosure has always given me grief when it was hooked up via USB... it would unmount itself after 3 mins or less time plugged/ mounted on the desktop? This must be a power supply issue then... wonder where to get another power supply for it? Definitely sounds like a power issue, what does the spec on the current power supply say? If it's a typical wall wart all you need to match are the voltage, the connector size and polarity and provide as much or more current. (ie: if it's 12v 500MA, a 12V 800MA supply will work just fine, but a 14V 500MA supply will not.) That said, 'sounds like a power issue' doesn't mean it's the power supply. More than likely it's the IO board in the enclosure. If it's a built-in power supply, I'd forget about it; get a new enclosure. If USB2 is good for you they're cheap http://www.geeks.com/products.asp?cat=CSE -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?
On Jun 22, 2009, at 11:14 AM, John Martz wrote: Well after plugging the 2.5 into the I/O board and the power supply, the 2.5 booted and ran fine. However when the 3.5 drive was used, it wouldn't even mount on the desktop? This icydock enclosure has always given me grief when it was hooked up via USB... it would unmount itself after 3 mins or less time plugged/ mounted on the desktop? This must be a power supply issue then... wonder where to get another power supply for it? I hate to chuck it in the trash Jeff Is the 3.5 drive jumpered correctly? (do SATA drives still have jumper requirements?) Is the 3.5 drive bad, and not the enclosure? Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?
John Martz wrote: On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 2:00 PM, Bruce Johnsonjohn...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: No. So long as you can connect them (and both 2.5 and 3.5 drives require the same voltages) things should work out fine. I don't know how pertinent to this thread this is, but I'm not positive they use the same voltages. I agree that since both 2.5 3.5 drives use the same connector then the same voltages should be *supplied* to the drive. However, I don't know how they could pull off the trick of powering a 2.5 drive from a USB connector unless the 2.5 drives required anything other than 5v. I've always assumed that the 2.5 drives simply ignored the 12v power line in the connector (and probably also the 3.3v ... as apparently most (all?) of the 3.5 drives do in order to allow them to be powered via a 5v 12v 4-pin molex connector plugged into a SATA power connector adapter). I hate it when manufacturers take shortcuts and don't fully implement a spec. But it's a fact of life that they do this when everbody knows it will work. It wouldn't surprise me at all if the 12v (and 3.3v) pins on most laptop supplies were open. The standard 3.5 5.25 drive power connector supplies +12V and +5V. 2.5 drives only need 5V so they would just use that power line. There is no 3.3V line on drive power cables. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Disk U9tility
On Jun 22, 1:14 am, Po-en Tsai poen.t...@gmail.com wrote: On 22/06/2009, at 4:59 PM, Stephen Conrad wrote: Where do I find the password this program keeps asking for? It is NOT my Keychain PW as I know this one. Have you tried your normal password? I don't see why Disk Utility would ask for a password... At what point in using Disk Utility does it ask you for the password? Are you working from a User account? Perhaps it is asking you for the Admin password. Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: powermac question
On Jun 22, 2009, at 2:03 PM, Roger Deghetto wrote: i got a question maybe someone can answer i know the slot loading imac had harmon kardon speakers. now my question is this was the single speaker that came with any of the powermac models made by harmon kardon and if its not a harmon kardon then who made it? and what macs had shipped with with it if they did come with harmon kardon Here's the LEM article on the Harmon-Kardon speakers http://lowendmac.com/tf/010531.html -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?
On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 2:34 PM, MacGuymacgu...@gmail.com wrote: This icydock enclosure has always given me grief when it was hooked up via USB... it would unmount itself after 3 mins or less time plugged/ mounted on the desktop? This must be a power supply issue then... wonder where to get another power supply for it? I hate to chuck it in the trash Jeff Which ICY DOCK enclosure? Just curious ... I occasionally look at the ICY DOCK MB881US-1S-1 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817198029 and go Hmm but (1) it costs more than I'd want to pay and (2) the *last* thing I need is yet another enclosure. You say it has given you grief when used via USB. Does it have another mode (eSATA perhaps?) where it works reliably? If that's the case then I'd suspect the SATA-USB logic board rather than the power supply. (I expect there's not much if any logic required to convert SATA -eSATA.) No chance the enclosure is still under warranty? -irrational john --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?
On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Clark Martincm...@sonic.net wrote: The standard 3.5 5.25 drive power connector supplies +12V and +5V. 2.5 drives only need 5V so they would just use that power line. There is no 3.3V line on drive power cables. I'm not sure exactly what you mean. Yes, I think all the external power supplies I've seen have only supplied at most +12v and +5v. But the SATA spec apparently specifies that pins 1 to 3 of a standard 15 pin SATA power connector should supply 3.3 volts. I doubt any of the current 3.5 drives actually depend on this, but it's apparently part of the spec. I don't know about 2.5 drives, but I suspect they only need 5 volts as you said. I've seen speculation that some of the solid state memory drives might require the 3.3v supply, but it was just speculation. I really have no idea why the SATA power connector is supposed to provide 3.3 volts to some pins. But apparently that's what the spec says. (I thought about ... and immediately rejected ... poking around with a volt meter in my SATA external enclosure's power connector to see what it supplies to pins 1 to 3. Knowing me, I would be sure to short some pins to ground and destroy a perfectly good enclosure. A geek's gotta know his limitations ...) -irrational john --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?
On Jun 22, 2009, at 2:51 PM, insightinmind wrote: On Jun 22, 2009, at 11:14 AM, John Martz wrote: Well after plugging the 2.5 into the I/O board and the power supply, the 2.5 booted and ran fine. However when the 3.5 drive was used, it wouldn't even mount on the desktop? This icydock enclosure has always given me grief when it was hooked up via USB... it would unmount itself after 3 mins or less time plugged/ mounted on the desktop? This must be a power supply issue then... wonder where to get another power supply for it? I hate to chuck it in the trash Jeff Is the 3.5 drive jumpered correctly? (do SATA drives still have jumper requirements?) Is the 3.5 drive bad, and not the enclosure? I guess I should have also asked ... how did you know the 2.5 drive was working? Did it mount on your desktop? and was that through the USB? Did you decide the 2.5 and 3.5 both required the same voltage? If all true, it sounds more like the 3.5 drive is bad. Have you tried the 3.5 drive elsewhere? (apologies if you state this earlier in the thread). --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?
John Martz wrote: On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Clark Martincm...@sonic.net wrote: The standard 3.5 5.25 drive power connector supplies +12V and +5V. 2.5 drives only need 5V so they would just use that power line. There is no 3.3V line on drive power cables. I'm not sure exactly what you mean. Yes, I think all the external power supplies I've seen have only supplied at most +12v and +5v. But the SATA spec apparently specifies that pins 1 to 3 of a standard 15 pin SATA power connector should supply 3.3 volts. I doubt any of the current 3.5 drives actually depend on this, but it's apparently part of the spec. I don't know about 2.5 drives, but I suspect they only need 5 volts as you said. I've seen speculation that some of the solid state memory drives might require the 3.3v supply, but it was just speculation. I really have no idea why the SATA power connector is supposed to provide 3.3 volts to some pins. But apparently that's what the spec says. (I thought about ... and immediately rejected ... poking around with a volt meter in my SATA external enclosure's power connector to see what it supplies to pins 1 to 3. Knowing me, I would be sure to short some pins to ground and destroy a perfectly good enclosure. A geek's gotta know his limitations ...) I haven't looked into the SATA spec but I would think that in time the drives will use 3.3V for the logic in place of 5V. Most computer logic is going this way. A lower power supply voltage means not only lower power consumption but also faster speed. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?
On Jun 22, 2009, at 4:08 PM, insightinmind wrote: I guess I should have also asked ... how did you know the 2.5 drive was working? Did it mount on your desktop? and was that through the USB? Did you decide the 2.5 and 3.5 both required the same voltage? If all true, it sounds more like the 3.5 drive is bad. Have you tried the 3.5 drive elsewhere? (apologies if you state this earlier in the thread). 2.5 mounted on the desktop via USB, I booted from a leopard volume on it..all looked ok. Then I connected the 3.5 (which works perfectly in several other macs/ and enclosures) and it would not even mount. The drive would spin up light comes on, that's it. I looked at reviews of this particular icydock enclosure and other people had power issues as well... strange... don't think I'll be buying another one of these. I am open to other good quality enclosures.. John Martz As for the one I'm having troubles with: http://www.icydock.com/product/mb664us-1s.html It has esata.. and funny that you'd ask, yes it worked great via esata connection. And lastly, no, it's not under warranty. Jeff --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: monitor
Date: Mon, Jun 22 2009 5:22 am From: Lawrence David Eden My SuperScan Mc 611 RasterOps monitor is looking a little pink these days, so I am interested in buying a new LCD style monitor to use with my BW. Sonnet G-4 upgrade. Can anyone give me an idea of what to look for in a new monitor? Specs? I do mostly music arranging, so I need good resolution and color. Not sure what the quality of resolution and colour have to do with arranging music, but one of the biggest indicators of quality is angle of view. The cheaper LCDs always have a low figure for this, 160/160. The better ones a figure like 178/178. It is not that this attribute is everything, though it is really handy to have more and not less of it, but that it tends to go with other desirable things like richer colours. If you want 20 to 24, you can get good res and reasonable everything for under $AU400. If you want real quality, expect to fork out more. I did years back and it was noice while it lasted but the fluros started flickering and went off after 3 years and now I make do with cheaper LCDs (banks of them!) which will irritate me by lasting forever probably! But they are not that bad and it is nice to know it does not matter if they bust. -- dorayme --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: monitor
On Jun 22, 8:22 am, Lawrence David Eden lde...@comcast.net wrote: My SuperScan Mc 611 RasterOps monitor is looking a little pink these days, so I am interested in buying a new LCD style monitor to use with my BW. Sonnet G-4 upgrade. Can anyone give me an idea of what to look for in a new monitor? Specs? In this list, there was a thread earlier this month which may help you: Where Do I Find Reliable Info On Color Critical Monitor Choices? http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list/browse_thread/thread/905f0b49d19a75eb?hl=en Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?
On Jun 22, 2009, at 7:23 PM, MacGuy wrote: On Jun 22, 2009, at 4:08 PM, insightinmind wrote: Have you tried the 3.5 drive elsewhere? (apologies if you state this earlier in the thread). 2.5 mounted on the desktop via USB, I booted from a leopard volume on it..all looked ok. Then I connected the 3.5 (which works perfectly in several other macs/ and enclosures) and it would not even mount. The drive would spin up light comes on, that's it. About boot-a-bility of external USB drives ... is that OS X (Leopard vrs Tiger) dependent in any way? I thought I read somewhere that USB 2 bootable became good (or was that became flaky?) under Leopard, and was not good under Tiger. If so, what OS were you trying to boot from on the 3.5 drive? I'll stop here ... Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?
On Jun 22, 2009, at 1:03 PM, MacGuy wrote: ok, got this 2.5 sata drive plugged into this 3.5 enclosure... question: can the power supplied to the 3.5 enclosure be too much for this 2.5 drive? (what I'm doing is testing the enclosure to see if it's good, and the only drive I have to use is a 2.5 sata drive from a mac mini). Jeff Jeffrey Engle macgu...@gmail.com PowerMac G4 No, I have a Vantec NexStar USB/SATA HD dock and the 2.5 and 3.5 drives plug into the same power and data connectors. HTH Just a message from Doug... http://groups.google.com/group/hq-a + A home for the Hackintosh community. To subscribe to the HQ-A group, send email to hq-a +subscr...@googlegroups.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?
On Jun 22, 2009, at 4:35 PM, insightinmind wrote: On Jun 22, 2009, at 7:23 PM, MacGuy wrote: On Jun 22, 2009, at 4:08 PM, insightinmind wrote: Have you tried the 3.5 drive elsewhere? (apologies if you state this earlier in the thread). 2.5 mounted on the desktop via USB, I booted from a leopard volume on it..all looked ok. Then I connected the 3.5 (which works perfectly in several other macs/ and enclosures) and it would not even mount. The drive would spin up light comes on, that's it. About boot-a-bility of external USB drives ... is that OS X (Leopard vrs Tiger) dependent in any way? I thought I read somewhere that USB 2 bootable became good (or was that became flaky?) under Leopard, and was not good under Tiger. If so, what OS were you trying to boot from on the 3.5 drive? I'll stop here ... I'm using an intel-based mini for the booting of that usb connected enclosure (all the intel based macs boot from usb without issues) I don't believe that PPC macs ever did. Jeff --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?
As for the one I'm having troubles with: http://www.icydock.com/product/mb664us-1s.html It has esata.. and funny that you'd ask, yes it worked great via esata connection. And lastly, no, it's not under warranty. Jeff OK, I'm stumped and am now waiting for someone else to post the obvious explanation which is escaping me. If the 2.5 drive works with USB, then I would think there is no problem with USB. In other words, I'd expect the SATA-USB logic to either work or not work. But if the 3.5 drive works with eSATA, then I would assume there is no problem with the power supply provided by the enclosure to the drive. So why wouldn't the 3.5 drive *also* work with USB? Is there a big difference between the capacities of the two drives? (Maybe there USB has a capacity limit?) Was the 3.5 drive partitioned formatted? Did you try more than one USB connector or connecting to another computer? Sorry, I realize that these questions aren't that helpful, but I've got nothing else. :-( -irrational john --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?
On Jun 22, 2009, at 4:55 PM, John Martz wrote: As for the one I'm having troubles with: http://www.icydock.com/product/mb664us-1s.html It has esata.. and funny that you'd ask, yes it worked great via esata connection. And lastly, no, it's not under warranty. Jeff OK, I'm stumped and am now waiting for someone else to post the obvious explanation which is escaping me. If the 2.5 drive works with USB, then I would think there is no problem with USB. In other words, I'd expect the SATA-USB logic to either work or not work. But if the 3.5 drive works with eSATA, then I would assume there is no problem with the power supply provided by the enclosure to the drive. So why wouldn't the 3.5 drive *also* work with USB? Is there a big difference between the capacities of the two drives? (Maybe there USB has a capacity limit?) Was the 3.5 drive partitioned formatted? Did you try more than one USB connector or connecting to another computer? Sorry, I realize that these questions aren't that helpful, but I've got nothing else. :-( -irrational john Hey john... what's your number, I'll call ya or you me at 208-935-0992, Jeff --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?
On Jun 22, 2009, at 4:55 PM, John Martz wrote: Is there a big difference between the capacities of the two drives? 2.5 SATA has the very same power and data connectors as all current 3.5 SATA. 2.5 SATA goes to 500 GB. 3.5 SATA goes to 1.5 TB (1500 GB), with 2 TB (2000 GB) being sampled. As most host SATA buses are supporting 3.0 Gb/s, there is probably no need for 1.5 Gb/s, or the jumper which forces a drive to 1.5 Gb/s. The iSATA/eSATA cards for most G series Macs are 1.5 Gb/s, but the jumper really isn't necessary as the drive and the host will mutually determine the best speed. My Initio-based G4 cards (1.5 Gb/s) are perfectly happy with my eSATA drives which are jumpered for 3.0 Gb/s, and which I use interchangeably on my Intel Hackintoshes, all of which, even my Intel Atom Netbook, are 3.0 Gb/s. http://groups.google.com/group/hq-a + A home for the Hackintosh community. To subscribe to the HQ-A group, send email to hq-a +subscr...@googlegroups.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?
On Jun 22, 2009, at 7:55 PM, John Martz wrote: As for the one I'm having troubles with: http://www.icydock.com/ product/mb664us-1s.html It has esata.. and funny that you'd ask, yes it worked great via esata connection. And lastly, no, it's not under warranty. Jeff OK, I'm stumped and am now waiting for someone else to post the obvious explanation which is escaping me. If the 2.5 drive works with USB, then I would think there is no problem with USB. In other words, I'd expect the SATA-USB logic to either work or not work. But if the 3.5 drive works with eSATA, then I would assume there is no problem with the power supply provided by the enclosure to the drive. So why wouldn't the 3.5 drive *also* work with USB? Is there a big difference between the capacities of the two drives? (Maybe there USB has a capacity limit?) Was the 3.5 drive partitioned formatted? Did you try more than one USB connector or connecting to another computer? Sorry, I realize that these questions aren't that helpful, but I've got nothing else. :-( -irrational john Actually, USB-SATA (or IDE for that matter) connections do tend to be a bit more complicated than the direct connect eSATA. Keep in mind you are going through a mess of interfaces with any one of them being able to mess up the entire connection at any time. It can be a bit flaky at times also, especially if you disconnect one drive and insert another. The eSATA connection is almost a direct connection to the motherboard with just a cable switch.HTH Just a message from Doug... http://groups.google.com/group/hq-a + A home for the Hackintosh community. To subscribe to the HQ-A group, send email to hq-a +subscr...@googlegroups.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?
I honestly don't know why the thing works with everything BUT 3.5 drives using the USB interface? just strange. Is the size of the drive that's not working, making it push on something USB internally, that is shutting down that capability? 2.5 small ... 3.5 bigger ... i.e., does size matter? Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?
On Jun 22, 2009, at 9:24 PM, insightinmind wrote: I honestly don't know why the thing works with everything BUT 3.5 drives using the USB interface? just strange. Is the size of the drive that's not working, making it push on something USB internally, that is shutting down that capability? 2.5 small ... 3.5 bigger ... i.e., does size matter? Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio I think most docks are setup to accommodate either size, I know mine has a cutout in the little access door for a 2.5 drive and if you insert the larger 3.5 drive the door is spring loaded and just collapses to allow the bigger drive insertion. HTH Just a message from Doug... http://groups.google.com/group/hq-a + A home for the Hackintosh community. To subscribe to the HQ-A group, send email to hq-a +subscr...@googlegroups.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?
On Jun 22, 2009, at 9:24 PM, insightinmind wrote: I honestly don't know why the thing works with everything BUT 3.5 drives using the USB interface? just strange. Is the size of the drive that's not working, making it push on something USB internally, that is shutting down that capability? 2.5 small ... 3.5 bigger ... i.e., does size matter? In one of the other models, the following switching bug is noted: *** While the rear panel Interface Converter Switch switched to eSATA interface, it only support SATA I transfer rate. This is known issue and should be fixed in future releases. Please switch to USB interface. Note: While the enclosure is switched to USB interface, both USB and eSATA interface works and supports SATA II transfer rate via eSATA. Maybe the switch is being blocked by the bigger drive? or did you not switch to USB/eSATA from eSATA only? Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Disk U9tility
On 6/22/09, Al Poulin alfred.pou...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 22, 1:14 am, Po-en Tsai poen.t...@gmail.com wrote: On 22/06/2009, at 4:59 PM, Stephen Conrad wrote: Where do I find the password this program keeps asking for? It is NOT my Keychain PW as I know this one. Have you tried your normal password? I don't see why Disk Utility would ask for a password... At what point in using Disk Utility does it ask you for the password? Are you working from a User account? Perhaps it is asking you for the Admin password. Al Poulin I was trying to get it to Eject some Flash Drives so I could get them to Mount. I can see them with Disk Utility but they refuse to Mount (they were Mounted before I rebooted this machine) -- Steve Conrad Henrietta, MO 64036 The time has come for mankind to grow up and leave its cradle behind; to go forth and claim our place in outer space. - Capt. Henry Gloval (\__/) (='.'=) ()_() Help Bunny Take Over The World! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Dual upgrade for Digital Audio
On Jun 22, 12:03 am, Ralph Green sfrea...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Howdy, [snip] Or, it could be that this hack does not work on the Sawtooth. Any thoughts? We've been through this argument before. There was a guy selling modified board from 133mhz bus to work on 100mhz, listed a bunch on ebay consecutively w/ no complaints for a while. Not too long ago, but Haven't seen any lately, he may have run out. Somewhere in this group archives you may find the link of the old ebay ad. No idea what he did. But it is possible. I'll still try this hack on my G4 Gigabit Ethernet later. My friend has 12 of these Sawtooths that we would like to upgrade for a school, so we decided to try one of those first. He had been telling me they were G4 Digital Audios, but they weren't. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
