G4 MDD EXPANDING USB 2.0
I need another USB 2.0 on my G4 (or two). Do I need to buy a powered USB 2.0 hub? Are there any that aren't supported on the G4 MDD? Do the newer apple keyboards include a USB 2.0 socket? Can I use a newer keyboard with my G4? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G4 MDD EXPANDING USB 2.0
On Nov 3, 2009, at 8:28 AM, Evan wrote: I need another USB 2.0 on my G4 (or two). Do I need to buy a powered USB 2.0 hub? Are there any that aren't supported on the G4 MDD? That's probably the easiest way to go; there is no such thing as an 'incompatible' USB hub. Do the newer apple keyboards include a USB 2.0 socket? Yes. Can I use a newer keyboard with my G4? Yes, with the following caveats: 1) they're lower power than a usb hub, some devocess such as some flash drives, etc don't work, and almost certainly and seriously bus- powered device, such as a drive or scanner, will draw too much current. 2) While they work on older Macs they are NOT fully recognized immediately; you cannot use them to boot in a mode than needs keys held down, such as safe mode or to boot a CD, etc. I keep an old keyboard around for such occasions. That I CAN plug into the extra USB port on the keyboard, so once it's done booting I just unplug the old one from the new one. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G4 MDD EXPANDING USB 2.0
At 7:28 AM -0800 11/3/2009, Evan wrote: I need another USB 2.0 on my G4 (or two). Do I need to buy a powered USB 2.0 hub? If the devices you need to connect draw lots of power, or you're using very long cables, then you might need a powered hub. Otherwise, an unpowered one will do fine. Are there any that aren't supported on the G4 MDD? They're pretty standard. Do the newer apple keyboards include a USB 2.0 socket? The bluetooth keyboards have no USB sockets. The wired keyboards include USB 2 ports. Can I use a newer keyboard with my G4? Yes, but note that Apple's current keyboards require OS X 10.5.6 or newer. IMO there are better keyboard choices available. Hit your local computer stores and try some. I really like my Logitech keyboard - much more responsive than Apple's offerings. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Mirror Door G4's overheating
On Nov 2, 2009, at 9:23 PM, Stewie de Young wrote: That's true Jeff and I have dismantled a few over the years also but I just thought I would mention it in case he wakes up on the other side of the room a bit dazed and smoldering . Stewie I couldn't agree more:-) Jeff --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G4 MDD EXPANDING USB 2.0
--- On Tue, 11/3/09, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: Can I use a newer keyboard with my G4? Yes, but note that Apple's current keyboards require OS X 10.5.6 or newer. I use a wired Aluminum full length keyboard with Tiger. There is a keyboard software up date. Works fine. I like the feel but I'm not a touch-typist. The short keyboard without the number pad needs 10.5.6 though. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: RAM doesn't work
Thanks Len! I had not checked this thread for a long time, but this is really archive-worthy info, especially as the Chipmunk site doesn't give specs for the G4. Geke --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G4 AGP with PCI USB 2.0
On 03-11-2009 21:14, Erik Hancock, ehanc...@concentric.net, wrote: I had to replace many parts on my Mac G4 - AGP recently - and now the PCI support for USB 2.0 appears to be lacking. Had a 4 hub PCI card and it was not being recognized by the system- thought PCI slots might be dead - but swapped in a combo USB and Firewire PCI card and it is recognizing the card and the firewire is active and appears to recognize the USB hub but nothing being plugged into the card is being powered or active. Not sure if there is a firmware or software driver that was missed when I was reinstalling hardware and software drivers. Normal fixed USB ports (1.1) work but are sooo slow. Any suggestions as to what to check or reset/reinstall?? Have you updated the firmware of your G4/AGP to 4.2.8 ?? Goto: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=120068 for information and download. In this article (from Sept. 10, 2003) Apple is not speaking about PCI-USB 2.0 cards. But my experience is following: In my QS/800/'02 (running 9.2.2 and 10.4.11) and my MDD/1,42DP (running 10.4.11 and 10.5.8) I have a cheap (Euro 8 = US$ 11,66) 4 port PCI-USB 2.0 card and it was plug in and go. The same card in my Sawtooth/400 (9.2.2, 10.3.9 and 10.4.11) and in my DA/466 (9.2.2 and 10.4.11) refused to work untill the firmware update 4.2.8. Would say: Give it a try! But don't forget: The FW Update will only work when booted in 9.1 - 9.2.2 on a intern HD. HTH, Jo Hissel --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G4 AGP with PCI USB 2.0
On 03-11-2009 21:14, Erik Hancock, ehanc...@concentric.net, wrote: I had to replace many parts on my Mac G4 - AGP recently - and now the PCI support for USB 2.0 appears to be lacking. Had a 4 hub PCI card and it was not being recognized by the system- thought PCI slots might be dead - but swapped in a combo USB and Firewire PCI card and it is recognizing the card and the firewire is active and appears to recognize the USB hub but nothing being plugged into the card is being powered or active. Not sure if there is a firmware or software driver that was missed when I was reinstalling hardware and software drivers. Normal fixed USB ports (1.1) work but are sooo slow. Any suggestions as to what to check or reset/reinstall?? Have you updated the firmware of your G4/AGP to 4.2.8 ?? Goto: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=120068 for information and download. In this article (from Sept. 10, 2003) Apple is not speaking about PCI-USB 2.0 cards. But my experience is following: In my QS/800/'02 (running 9.2.2 and 10.4.11) and my MDD/1,42DP (running 10.4.11 and 10.5.8) I have a cheap (Euro 8 = US$ 11,66) 4 port PCI-USB 2.0 card and it was plug in and go. The same card in my Sawtooth/400 (9.2.2, 10.3.9 and 10.4.11) and in my DA/466 (9.2.2 and 10.4.11) refused to work untill the firmware update 4.2.8. Would say: Give it a try! But don't forget: The FW Update will only work when booted in 9.1 - 9.2.2 on a intern HD. HTH, Jo Hissel The firmware is updated as I checked it to make sure I was set to run with Tiger (10.4). I don't know if a Pram or Nvram reset would do anything as I'm not clear what the controller for the USB/PCI system is and if this can be reset - I could try to rerun it off the disc or I could try reinstalling 10.4 - but not sure if this would have any effect. Suggestions or Comments? Erik --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
G4 AGP with PCI USB 2.0
I had to replace many parts on my Mac G4 - AGP recently - and now the PCI support for USB 2.0 appears to be lacking. Had a 4 hub PCI card and it was not being recognized by the system- thought PCI slots might be dead - but swapped in a combo USB and Firewire PCI card and it is recognizing the card and the firewire is active and appears to recognize the USB hub but nothing being plugged into the card is being powered or active. Not sure if there is a firmware or software driver that was missed when I was reinstalling hardware and software drivers. Normal fixed USB ports (1.1) work but are sooo slow. Any suggestions as to what to check or reset/reinstall?? Thanks in advance Erik Ehancock-at-concentric-dot-net --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: TAN: browser question
Lawrence David Eden wrote: I am using Camino on my G4 running OS 10.4.11. How do I add a divider between bookmark categories? I don't see this option when I try to manage bookmarks. Thanks. Larry Eden I use folders in firefox --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G4 AGP with PCI USB 2.0
I don't know if a Pram or Nvram reset would do anything as I'm not clear what the controller for the USB/PCI system is and if this can be reset - I could try to rerun it off the disc or I could try reinstalling 10.4 - but not sure if this would have any effect. Suggestions or Comments? Erik I believe every time you change PCI cards, you should do the PRAM reset. That allows the new hardware arrangement to become recognized and set for future Startups. In Tiger and Leopard, I think the drivers for USB 2 are always installed originally, but aren't invoked unless USB 2 is present. Perhaps your USB 2 card is one that just doesn't work in a Mac? Which ones may work, has been discussed before, and you could Search the G3- G5 list forum. You might find useful info on www.xlr8yourmac.com as well. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Internet activity unstoppable
Kris Tilford wrote: On Nov 2, 2009, at 12:30 AM, Geoff Black wrote: I have three macs and 2 pcs on the network and only the G5 - PPC Quad is the culprit. snip Out setup is very different from yours. We connect wirelessly thru an Apple 802.11n Time Capsule router. I have Little Snitch and Menu Meters installed on the G5 and its background network activity is nearly zero mbps, so our supposed clogging appears to be some sort of wireless radio interference. The strange thing is that this interference doesn't seem to affect other Macs or PCs connected wirelessly thru the same router. If the MacBook Pro is connected via an ethernet cable rather than wirelessly the problem also disappears, so it does seem to be a wireless interference issue for me. As a test the next time the problem arises, unplug all the portable phones in your house. Maybe the router and phones are on same channel. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G4 AGP with PCI USB 2.0
Well the the original card -once worked just fine upon installation and the new card is supposed to be for the Macs and appears to be supported. Will try a PRAM reset - but I had done that orignially after swappign the hardware and resetting all the cards and the original USB hub card was not even recognized. If not may try a system software reinstall. Erik From: Bill Connelly billycarm...@verizon.net Reply-To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 22:14:06 -0500 To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: G4 AGP with PCI USB 2.0 I don't know if a Pram or Nvram reset would do anything as I'm not clear what the controller for the USB/PCI system is and if this can be reset - I could try to rerun it off the disc or I could try reinstalling 10.4 - but not sure if this would have any effect. Suggestions or Comments? Erik I believe every time you change PCI cards, you should do the PRAM reset. That allows the new hardware arrangement to become recognized and set for future Startups. In Tiger and Leopard, I think the drivers for USB 2 are always installed originally, but aren't invoked unless USB 2 is present. Perhaps your USB 2 card is one that just doesn't work in a Mac? Which ones may work, has been discussed before, and you could Search the G3- G5 list forum. You might find useful info on www.xlr8yourmac.com as well. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G4 AGP with PCI USB 2.0
Bill Connelly wrote: I believe every time you change PCI cards, you should do the PRAM reset. That allows the new hardware arrangement to become recognized and set for future Startups. In Tiger and Leopard, I think the drivers for USB 2 are always installed originally, but aren't invoked unless USB 2 is present. Perhaps your USB 2 card is one that just doesn't work in a Mac? Which ones may work, has been discussed before, and you could Search the G3- G5 list forum. You might find useful info on www.xlr8yourmac.com as well. You need to hit the PMU/SMC button on the motherboard, not do a PRAM reset when changing PCI cards. See: http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13727_7-10330118-263.html -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G4 AGP with PCI USB 2.0
On Nov 3, 2009, at 11:40 PM, Clark Martin wrote: Bill Connelly wrote: I believe every time you change PCI cards, you should do the PRAM reset. You need to hit the PMU/SMC button on the motherboard, not do a PRAM reset when changing PCI cards. See: http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13727_7-10330118-263.html Sorry, that's right. Also referred to as CUDA button on other Macs. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
