Re: Only way to stop the sex and drug SPAM?
On Jun 18, 2011, at 11:03 AM, Dan wrote: At 10:49 AM -0400 6/18/2011, Bill Connelly wrote: But I keep getting these things, and its been happening for a long time ... they end up in my g3-g5 mailbox. Perhaps someone's just using my e-mail address I have for the g3-g5 list to SPAM me. Maybe I should just change that? wondering how they got that in the first place ... I thought we were protected there. Please send me a single sample, including the full headers. I'll take a look. For some reason, Mail (or the Server) refuses to Forward a copy to you. I also tried cutting and pasting the headers and body, but it refused to send it that way, too. I'm working from the Junk folder ... maybe I should move it to a non- Junk box, and try to Forward it there ... -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Only way to stop the sex and drug SPAM?
At 2:05 PM -0400 6/19/2011, Bill Connelly wrote: On Jun 18, 2011, at 11:03 AM, Dan wrote: At 10:49 AM -0400 6/18/2011, Bill Connelly wrote: But I keep getting these things, and its been happening for a long time ... they end up in my g3-g5 mailbox. Perhaps someone's just using my e-mail address I have for the g3-g5 list to SPAM me. Maybe I should just change that? wondering how they got that in the first place ... I thought we were protected there. Please send me a single sample, including the full headers. I'll take a look. For some reason, Mail (or the Server) refuses to Forward a copy to you. I also tried cutting and pasting the headers and body, but it refused to send it that way, too. I'm working from the Junk folder ... maybe I should move it to a non-Junk box, and try to Forward it there ... yea. Doncha just love apps that won't do what you tell them to do because they think they know better? Or copy the whole thing to a text file, zip it, and send that. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Only way to stop the sex and drug SPAM?
On 2011/06/19 06:37, Dan so eloquently wrote: At 11:34 PM -0600 6/18/2011, Tina K. wrote: On 2011/06/18 07:15, Bill Connelly so eloquently wrote: Terminate my membership? Is this the only way to stop the sex and drug sales e-mails from coming from the G3-G5 LEM List? I'm not getting much from the topics these days anyway ... Huh? I get zero spam from LEM lists, and I'm subscribed to at least five of them. Perhaps AOL is catching it. Obviously this is a GMAIL account not an AOL account, please pardon my blonde moment. Well, zero is relative. There was that recent fusenet glitch. Nothing to do with LEM per se, but still... Occasionally I get spam on one of the other list servers that I subscribe to, but even that is so little that it is insignificant. fwiw... In addition to my Gmail account, I have two verizon.net email addresses (such as the OP's) - the primary contact accounts for our FiOS service. Verizon's filters are rather poor. Sometimes they flag their own notices as spam. And I get perhaps 10 to 20 spams a week on each, that their filters totally miss. The comparison is, of course, my Gmail account. Their filters are pretty good; perhaps one a week gets thru, if that. I'm not a big Verizon fan, but then I dont have FiOS either. I might be willing to put up with them for that kind of speed. I have two Gmail and two AOL accounts and I see very little spam, nothing like I did say five years ago. Not complaining a bit either. Tina -- iMac 20 USB 2 1.25GHz G4 2GB RAM GeForceFX5200 Ultra 64MB VRAM 10.4.11 PB G4 15 HR-DLSD 1.67GHz G4 2GB RAM Radeon 9700 128MB VRAM 10.4.11 Mac Pro Mid-2010 2.8 GHz QC 6 GB RAM Radeon HD 5770 1GB VRAM 10.6.7 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Home folder near capacity
Here's a decent explanation of what you see in the 'ls -l' command: http://www.computerhope.com/unix/uls.htm Thanks, Bruce. Interesting story about wheel. Truth is stranger than fiction. Here I was, thinking it might have to do with Linda Ronstadt's Heart Like A Wheel, or Stealers Wheel, or Rush's The Big Wheel, or maybe even Proud Mary by CCR, and all along I was overlooking the obvious. Sean -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Home folder near capacity
rwx means that the owner (user) has read, write, and execute permissions to the directory. Execute permission is required to display the directory contents. The blanks might show two more rwx items, first for the group and last for everyone. Thank you, Doug. Execute permission is not well handled by Finder. How so? I suggest familiarizing yourself with the man pages for ls and chmod. I've got the man pages bookmarked. Good reference, but I probably need a book to make the subject approachable, to both engage me and help me absorb the info so that it all fits together in my mind, as opposed to learning a myriad of commands outside of a broader context. Sean -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Only way to stop the sex and drug SPAM?
On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 14:51:25 -0600, Tina K. penguir...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not a big Verizon fan, but then I dont have FiOS either. I might be willing to put up with them for that kind of speed. I have two Gmail and two AOL accounts and I see very little spam, nothing like I did say five years ago. Not complaining a bit either. GMail has the second best filter on the planet, only behind Google Apps + Postini in my book. A very close third are IronPort appliances. I had stopped using this account because of the amount of spam it got, spamassassin did nothing to help. Friday I went to the colo and put in a surplus IronPort and new personal mail server, and like magic I have no spam. 2,700 blocked spam messages to the one account enabled so far in 24 hours. Uffdah. Anyway, /end geek overload. FWIW I haven't seen any spam to this list in my filter. -- Ben b...@mac-geek.com -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
M-Audio Revolution 7.1 notes
I read all sorts of terrible things about the M-Audio drivers prior to acquiring the PCI card. Just thought I'd mention a finding. Rule #1 seems to be: Never, ever, never access the M-Audio preference pane through the icon in the dock. At least not if you already have this pane open through System Preferences, and maybe not under any circumstances. I discovered this accidentally. Once I'd installed and updated the drivers, I saw the M-Audio thing in System Preferences, and figured, OK, that's how I get to it. I didn't put an M-Audio alias in the Dock. For the longest time I didn't notice it there when the preference pane was open, and then I saw it but didn't know what it was and ignored it. The other day I finally realized, oh, that's an M- Audio icon down there. So I clicked on it. Instant kernel panic. So I shut down, powered up again, logged in, and opened the M-Audio prefs the old way. No problems. The M-Audio interface certainly has its quirks. Some settings are saved, and some you seemingly need to reinstate each and every time you open the prefs pane. Lately it's been problematic setting up and saving speaker sets, and impossible to delete old ones. Fortunately, a good working setting that I'd set up early seems to be intact, so the aforementioned amounts to a very minor problem. Overall, my experience with the sound card has been good. Tremendous sound quality, both out and in, head and shoulders above the already fine Apple-installed SoundBlaster and Apple Screamer cards I'd worked with before. Works great with (not to mention made possible) my newly expanded speaker system, 2 Altec Lansing speakers with subwoofer plus 2 more with integrated subwoofers (all powered). Anyway, on the off chance that the oddity I mentioned in the second paragraph is the reason your Revolution 7.1 is sitting in a drawer right now, I mention it. The kernel panic I mentioned is the one and only instance of a SYSTEM problem caused by the card/drivers in at least 6 weeks of frequent and intense use (in Leopard - drivers also installed in Tiger although I haven't worked with the M-Audio there). This despite the fact that the fine print of the driver install process mentions does not support CPU upgrades - and I started out using it with a Sonnet 1.0 GHz CPU upgrade and have since installed a 1.6 GHz CPU. Sean Carroll slcarr...@me.com Power Mac G4 AGP Sawtooth 1.6 GHz, 2 GB RAM, SATA 750 GB hard drive, Mac OS X Leopard 10.5.8 and Tiger 10.4.11, Gigabit Ethernet M-Audio Revolution 7.1 PCI cards, ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128 MB AGP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OS X Leopard Printer Setup Utility ??
Thanks. Kris. On Jun 18, 2011, at 9:05 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: In Leopard printing is handled in System PreferencesPrint Fax. When you use this control pane it calls on the application Printer Setup Utility when needed, and this is located in /System/Library/ CoreServices folder. Normally an alias wouldn't be located within your Dock unless you placed it there? I'd drag it out of the Dock and forget about it. You should use System PreferencesPrint Fax to call upon this app. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Dead processor?
Don't know which processors are compatible, and probably mentioned or tried, but at least reset PRAM and press down PMU (??) button for new processors. Also, take out battery for 15 minutes and replace. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Dead processor?
I'll give it a try. What bothers me is that this Quicksilver is running a dual 800 MHz processor module quite fine. The Dual-800 uses 7450 aka G4e processors, the very same are used in the dual 1 GHz processor module. Except for the additions 2x 200 MHz I cannot see a formal difference there. Thee raw board is the same between the dual 800 MHz and the dual 1.0 GHz. The voltage regulators, and some other parts, are completely different. The pads which are empty on the 800 MHz are filled on the 1.0 GHz, and vice versa. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Only way to stop the sex and drug SPAM?
Bill forwarded the email to me. My response: This received header is the key: Received: from c9rxllkk ([unknown] [220.95.137.166]) by vms169129.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTP id 0ln100itki5fq...@vms169129.mailsrvcs.net for billycarm...@verizon.net; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 08:46:41 -0500 (CDT) 220.95.137.166 is in Korea. The spammer is using a zombied peecee there to relay it. Other than the fact that it was addressed to billycarm...@verizon.net, there is no evidence this has anything to do with any LEM list. The above Received header is likely legit because mailsrvcs.net is a service domain owned by Verizon and that is the server that created that header. Notice that you, the recipient, are *different* from the To address. That's fine - except for that final Received header, *ALL* other mail headers are forgeable and optional. The actual address(es) to which an email is sent are given to the smtp server separately, as part of its protocol. (I've omitted that To: field in this list reply because that address might be legit, some poor guy that's being abused by a spammer. No need to spread his addr farther). (and the body of the email is just a standard drug push with a url in the Russian tld. Kindof boring, actually, not even a spoofed domain). - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
SATA to eSATA adapter cable
Just running this by our panel of experts to see if there's anything ill-advised or ill-considered about it, as SATA to eSATA is something I've no experience with. The first and most important question is whether connecting an internal SATA drive, through its PCI controller, to an external drive with (among others) an eSATA port by means of a SATA-eSATA adapter cable even works to begin with, whether the external drive will even be recognized. If not, the rest of this is moot. I have more PCI cards than slots for them, which isn't a bad thing. When I added an external drive, I wasn't at all sure I wanted to use Time Machine for backups. I stuck with CCC. At first the external drive connection was through my FW800 PCI card, but that card got bounced by a sound card which appears to have moved in more or less permanently. So it was back to FW400. Cloning was always time- consuming, and as recent work has created more to back up, it's only gotten more so. I haven't found incremental backups with CCC to be much of a time-saver, either, but this has become a moot point, because I've decided to give Time Machine a shot and let it be the incremental specialist. I still want bootable clones, so I'm not done with the very useful CCC, of course. FW800 would be preferable for the external drive connection, and it's conceivable that the Gigabit Ethernet card could come out to accommodate that. I don't know if I'd recognize the difference going back to the internal modem. But this external drive offers eSATA connectivity as well. Trouble is, what I've got internally is a SATA HD with SATA controller PCI card (two ports). Theoretically (and perhaps quite mistakenly so), I can get an SATA-eSATA adapter cable to achieve what I suppose would be a SATA-level connection to the external drive. The trouble with that is that this cable can't get in through the back panel as things currently stand - the SATA controller PCI card has no ports or openings on its back plate. I had the oddball idea of taking out the ethernet PCI card to create an opening to snake the SATA-eSATA cable though. Concerns here are that it's a choice of SATA over FW800 that might be overkill for what I really need (and Time Machine works with nothing but FireWire anyway, or? And what about Target Disk Mode, if it came to that? Also seems to be strictly FireWire), and that I don't know what the impact of this small opening in the back panel on proper air flow within the case might be. I suppose a bit of duct tape could get around that and the dust entry factor. I also had the even odder idea of, instead, connecting the SATA-eSATA cable with the side door partially open whenever I wanted to create my bootable clone backups and getting presumably speedier results. I don't know if this is easy to estimate on a casual basis, but if it takes 3 hours for CCC to make a bootable clone connected to an external drive through FW400, how much less through FW800 and less still through SATA (the SATA-eSATA adapter cable)? I don't *need* faster in any desperate way. I can let the computer work overnight if it comes to that. But if I can *have* faster, well, of course I'll take it. That's only natural. I'm thinking that for Time Machine's incremental work, the FireWire standard won't matter much. But for CCC, faster than FireWire would be great. Sean Carroll slcarr...@me.com Power Mac G4 AGP Sawtooth 1.6 GHz, 2 GB RAM, SATA 750 GB hard drive, Mac OS X Leopard 10.5.8 and Tiger 10.4.11, Gigabit Ethernet M-Audio Revolution 7.1 PCI cards, ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128 MB AGP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: SATA to eSATA adapter cable
The first and most important question is whether connecting an internal SATA drive, through its PCI controller, to an external drive with (among others) an eSATA port by means of a SATA-eSATA adapter cable even works to begin with, whether the external drive will even be recognized. If not, the rest of this is moot. Just to add to the confusion, LaCie and OWC made otherwise identical SATA-I (1.5 Gb/c) PCI controller cards. The LaCie version had iSATA connectors for its external SATA drives. The OWC version had eSATA connectors for its external SATA drives. Lots of adapters are sold by Hong Kong-based sellers which can accomplish a variety of conversions. I usually have at least two more SATA ports than I have internal SATA drives, so I usually make these into eSATA connections. I have also made an all internal PATA Hackintosh just so the internal SATAs can be made into eSATA connections. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Selling upgraded Macs
The problem with this discussion in my opinion is that everyone is correct but you all seem to have a hard time seeing it. I think what matters most when pairing a computer with a person is what that person is going to do with the computer. For those with a heavy tilt towards consuming video, an older Mac is definitely going to be less special. Maybe a PC or even an iPad might be a better fit. But, on the other hand, those with simpler, less computationally demanding needs who just want to do email, some simple word processing maybe, and access the internet through dial-up then an eMac (or other PPC Mac) can be a good fit. So my answer to Austen's question is to try it and find out. I wouldn't sink too much time or money into at first until you get an idea whether or not the market you think is out there is REALLY out there. But it seems pretty clear Austin is in a better position to find out what's out there in his area than, well, certainly better than I am. Maybe a year or two back an acquaintance asked me to help her get an inexpensive computer. We actually didn't get further than that so recently I asked her if she was still interested. She said she was going to look at a smart phone (Blackberry maybe?) as it seemed it would be good enough for her needs. Not everyone is using desktop or laptop computers to interact online these days. Something else to think about when trying to fit a solution to a person's computing needs. -irrational john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Interesting Problem
On Jun 19, 2011, at 5:32 PM, Charles Davis wrote: System: Dual 2 GHz PowerPC G5, 2GB DDR SDRAM, Leopard OS 10.5.8 The genesis of the problem. Software Update pops up and tells me there are 'updates' available, Sooo, I look to see what it's proposing. Safari 5.0.5, Java for OSX Update 9, Security Update 2011-002, something for iTunes. Concerns This was Apple's Software Update's recommendation, but Safari 5.0.5 turned out to be for INTEL [UGH!!!], Not true, my iMac G5 has been running Safari Version 5.0.5 (Build 5533.21.1) under OS 10.5.8 without any problems. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Interesting Problem
System: Dual 2 GHz PowerPC G5, 2GB DDR SDRAM, Leopard OS 10.5.8 The genesis of the problem. Software Update pops up and tells me there are 'updates' available, Sooo, I look to see what it's proposing. Safari 5.0.5, Java for OSX Update 9, Security Update 2011-002, something for iTunes. I don't do iTunes, so that one is a pass, I check the others, and tell the system, 'Have at it'. Many hours later [I'm on Dialup. ;-)] I kill the 'update, it wasn't successful, and start looking fo rhe pieces to download separately. Safari, located and successfully downloaded. Attempt to DO the update, message says it won't run on this machine. JAVA, can't locate in Apple's download archives. Security Update --- what was located is 'Security Update 2011-002 client' [presently being downloaded, but it says 'client' --- SHOULD I chance installing?] Concerns This was Apple's Software Update's recommendation, but Safari 5.0.5 turned out to be for INTEL [UGH!!!], nothing locatable for the JAVA item,, The Security Update isn't for a 'plain ole ordinary' desktop. Comments ??? Chuck Davis -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Selling upgraded Macs
Well said, irrational John. My tangerine iBook is on the way ^_^. Obviously, nobody here will want it, but I will probably offer it on the LEM Swap group or on the Facebook group. It'll be almost identical to my current resurrected iBook, including (if I put it on the FB group) Adobe Photoshop 7.0.1 and AppleWorks 6. The only difference is it will have a full load of RAM. What I plan to charge: price of components (roughly $150-$200) + $25 labor and software. If it sells, I'll gradually increase my labor cost to see what my limits would be. Austin Leeds Sent from my iPad On Jun 19, 2011, at 7:49 PM, iJohn zjboyguard-ggro...@yahoo.com wrote: The problem with this discussion in my opinion is that everyone is correct but you all seem to have a hard time seeing it. I think what matters most when pairing a computer with a person is what that person is going to do with the computer. For those with a heavy tilt towards consuming video, an older Mac is definitely going to be less special. Maybe a PC or even an iPad might be a better fit. But, on the other hand, those with simpler, less computationally demanding needs who just want to do email, some simple word processing maybe, and access the internet through dial-up then an eMac (or other PPC Mac) can be a good fit. So my answer to Austen's question is to try it and find out. I wouldn't sink too much time or money into at first until you get an idea whether or not the market you think is out there is REALLY out there. But it seems pretty clear Austin is in a better position to find out what's out there in his area than, well, certainly better than I am. Maybe a year or two back an acquaintance asked me to help her get an inexpensive computer. We actually didn't get further than that so recently I asked her if she was still interested. She said she was going to look at a smart phone (Blackberry maybe?) as it seemed it would be good enough for her needs. Not everyone is using desktop or laptop computers to interact online these days. Something else to think about when trying to fit a solution to a person's computing needs. -irrational john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: SATA to eSATA adapter cable
Just to add to the confusion, LaCie and OWC made otherwise identical SATA-I (1.5 Gb/c) PCI controller cards. Well, my SATA controller card is a Sonnet. External drive is a LaCie Quadra. Connections are clear enough - SATA on the controller, eSATA on the external. What I'm not clear on is the efficacy and the feasibility of an adapted connection, but what you say seems to indicate that it's no sweat. If the connector fits, wear it. That's good news, if I interpret correctly. Lots of adapters are sold by Hong Kong-based sellers which can accomplish a variety of conversions. The adapter cable I'm looking at it is down the page here: http://www.macgurus.com/store/ecom-prodshow/SATACables.html Sean Carroll slcarr...@me.com Power Mac G4 AGP Sawtooth 1.6 GHz, 2 GB RAM, SATA 750 GB hard drive, Mac OS X Leopard 10.5.8 and Tiger 10.4.11, Gigabit Ethernet M-Audio Revolution 7.1 PCI cards, ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128 MB AGP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: SATA to eSATA adapter cable
Thanks for the thoughts, John. I think my main question about your question is, what SATA controller are you thinking of connecting your cable to? The answer to that will probably determine how useful it may be to you. My SATA controller is a Sonnet Tempo 2-port, part # TSATA. Supports booting from any attached drive, Not sure about ACHI, but I could probably find out easily. The external drive is a LaCie Quadra 2TB. Quadruple interface, including eSATA (and an eSATA cable is included). The internal drive, FWIW, is a Seagate 750 GB SATA, 7200 RPM. Sean Carroll slcarr...@me.com Power Mac G4 AGP Sawtooth 1.6 GHz, 2 GB RAM, SATA 750 GB hard drive, Mac OS X Leopard 10.5.8 and Tiger 10.4.11, Gigabit Ethernet M-Audio Revolution 7.1 PCI cards, ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128 MB AGP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: SATA to eSATA adapter cable
http://www.macgurus.com/store/ecom-prodshow/SATACables.html A 270-degree iSATA cable is just a variation on the theme of a 90-degree iSATA cable. All the mobo manufacturers recommend 90-degree iSATA cables for the optical drive, as it is generally at the very top of the case. However, many PC-type cases support three optical drives and six hard drives. Whether the PSU can accommodate that is a whole 'nother matter. I DO have one machine which has three optical drives ... two regular burners and a Blu-Ray burner. It has two HDs, too ... one (500 GB) for 10.6.7 and one (1.5 TB) for containing the results of DVD rips. Anyway, I see no particular value for 270-degree iSATA cables, and slightly more value for 90-degree iSATA cables. For most purposes, I use all 0-degree iSATA cables. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: SATA to eSATA adapter cable
On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 9:24 PM, Sean Carroll slcarr...@me.com wrote: The adapter cable I'm looking at it is down the page here: http://www.macgurus.com/store/ecom-prodshow/SATACables.html Actually, I assumed you were looking for an internal SATA (or iSATA to use Peter's notation) to eSATA cable. Here's a link to an example: http://www.amazon.com/Tripp-Lite-P952-003-eSATA-Signal/dp/B00119P6SU Disregard my previous comment about the iSATA to eSATA bracket cable. I don't know what I was thinking. Some times I type instead of thinking hard enough. -irrational john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Interesting Problem
On Jun 19, 2011, at 8:54 PM, Fabian Fang wrote: On Jun 19, 2011, at 5:32 PM, Charles Davis wrote: System: Dual 2 GHz PowerPC G5, 2GB DDR SDRAM, Leopard OS 10.5.8 The genesis of the problem. Software Update pops up and tells me there are 'updates' available, Sooo, I look to see what it's proposing. Safari 5.0.5, Java for OSX Update 9, Security Update 2011-002, something for iTunes. Concerns This was Apple's Software Update's recommendation, but Safari 5.0.5 turned out to be for INTEL [UGH!!!], Not true, my iMac G5 has been running Safari Version 5.0.5 (Build 5533.21.1) under OS 10.5.8 without any problems. I could be wrong about the 5..0.5 being Intel only, but the message was that it wouldn't run on my hardware. Chuck D. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Interesting Problem
Running on my Quicksilver G4. Actually, I am impressed with Apple's software update. I can install Panter on a partition and software update pickps up with the last combo updater; same thing with a Tiger install. It's been a while but even OS 0 will prompt the appropriate updates. On Jun 19, 2011, at 8:54 PM, Fabian Fang wrote: Not true, my iMac G5 has been running Safari Version 5.0.5 (Build 5533.21.1) under OS 10.5.8 without any problems. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Interesting Problem UPDATE
On Jun 19, 2011, at 8:32 PM, Charles Davis wrote: System: Dual 2 GHz PowerPC G5, 2GB DDR SDRAM, Leopard OS 10.5.8 The genesis of the problem. Software Update pops up and tells me there are 'updates' available, Sooo, I look to see what it's proposing. Safari 5.0.5, Java for OSX Update 9, Security Update 2011-002, something for iTunes. I don't do iTunes, so that one is a pass, I check the others, and tell the system, 'Have at it'. Many hours later [I'm on Dialup. ;-)] I kill the 'update, it wasn't successful, and start looking fo rhe pieces to download separately. Safari, located and successfully downloaded. Attempt to DO the update, message says it won't run on this machine. JAVA, can't locate in Apple's download archives. Security Update --- what was located is 'Security Update 2011-002 client' [presently being downloaded, but it says 'client' --- SHOULD I chance installing?] Concerns This was Apple's Software Update's recommendation, but Safari 5.0.5 turned out to be for INTEL [UGH!!!], nothing locatable for the JAVA item,, The Security Update isn't for a 'plain ole ordinary' desktop. Comments ??? Chuck Davis -- O.K. I goofed on stating the problem [figured out when I was trying to recreate what I'd said happened.] Safari 5.0.5what I could find was labeled Snow Leopard I just now, found a DL link for a 'Leopard' version [DL under way, using 'Download Manager' --- (Resume interrupted dl's possible)]. Still concerned about the 'security update' being for a 'client' [of Server/ Client], as opposed to a 'desktop' . Chuck D. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Interesting Problem
On Jun 19, 2011, at 8:41 PM, Charles Davis wrote: On Jun 19, 2011, at 8:54 PM, Fabian Fang wrote: On Jun 19, 2011, at 5:32 PM, Charles Davis wrote: System: Dual 2 GHz PowerPC G5, 2GB DDR SDRAM, Leopard OS 10.5.8 The genesis of the problem. Software Update pops up and tells me there are 'updates' available, Sooo, I look to see what it's proposing. Safari 5.0.5, Java for OSX Update 9, Security Update 2011-002, something for iTunes. Concerns This was Apple's Software Update's recommendation, but Safari 5.0.5 turned out to be for INTEL [UGH!!!], Not true, my iMac G5 has been running Safari Version 5.0.5 (Build 5533.21.1) under OS 10.5.8 without any problems. I could be wrong about the 5..0.5 being Intel only, but the message was that it wouldn't run on my hardware. Chuck D. Odd it would download from software up dates if it couldn't run. The one that usually gives the alert is iTunes on Tiger. Try to download again but with dial up it takes a long time if it comes at all. That package of software is 10 or more hours on dial up in this town:-) JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda CA 92886 USA From TiBook 867 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Selling upgraded Macs
On Jun 17, 2011, at 3:54 PM, Jonas Ulrich wrote: Yes a G4 will not play Netflix, but other than that it will serve the average computer user. The higher end G4's WILL run Hulu, and Youtube. Actually even some of the lower end G4's, like my Dual 500MHZ run Youtube fine. If someone wants a computer 'that just works', they aren't going to want to mess with virus protection on Windows, and the constant work it would take to keep the system useable. True, a G4 system won't serve every user, but a dead Windows system won't serve any users. -Jonas I wish just once I could see the magic G4 500's that run You Tube just fine. I have G4's from G4 500, 867, 800, 1.0, 1.2, and 1.25GHz not one of them will play a smooth You Tube flick, plus the Bus speed is important on them too. Even trying to run You Tube in 240 is the closest I can tolerate, and not all You Tubes are available in 240. JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda CA 92886 USA From TiBook 867 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Interesting Problem
Yeah, I remember software updates on dial-up. No fun. They were apt to turn into overnighters, and if something happened to break the connection, well... I would recommend trying again through Software Update, piece by piece this time. I mean, I *would,* but for the following questions 1. What's your previous history with Software Update in Leopard? Has it run before without incident? Was that a long time ago or recently? 2. What's the Leopard installation/update history on your machine? 3. Have you ever run the program Monolingual in Leopard, or indeed, in a previous OS X that Leopard was installed over? 4. If you go to Apple MenuAbout This Mac, is the information (including build and serial number) correct? 5. What is your current version of Safari? 6. If you go to System PreferencesSoftware UpdateInstalled Updates, do you see anything that indicates that the updates that failed were already installed earlier? (Wondering if there's something going on with Software Update itself.) 7. Any other problems with downloads or installations recently? This is just stuff I'd be asking myself if it was my interesting problem. I'm not to be confused with an expert. Sean Carroll slcarr...@me.com Power Mac G4 AGP Sawtooth 1.6 GHz, 2 GB RAM, SATA 750 GB hard drive, Mac OS X Leopard 10.5.8 and Tiger 10.4.11, Gigabit Ethernet M-Audio Revolution 7.1 PCI cards, ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128 MB AGP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Selling upgraded Macs
On Jun 17, 2011, at 6:06 PM, John Carmonne wrote: I wish just once I could see the magic G4 500's that run You Tube just fine. I have G4's from G4 500, 867, 800, 1.0, 1.2, and 1.25GHz not one of them will play a smooth You Tube flick. I agree, but it may not be the CPU that's the bottleneck, it might be the GPU (video card). I've got an overclocked 1.58 GHz Mini that's constricted with the built-in 32MB Radeon 9200 video card. When the Mini is attached to an HDTV @ 1920x1080 it stutters and chokes like crazy on almost any higher resolution video (actually almost all video). If I run at a lower resolution (say 800x600 stretched) it plays much more smoothly with the same resolution videos, BUT, the ONLY native resolution that's not stretched is 1920x1080. I interpret this as 1920x1080 being roughly 2MB per frame, so the 32MB video card has room for about 16 frames, or 1/2 second HD video, so no wonder it chokes and stutters. I believe if this Mini had a large 128MB or 256MB video card the playback of video (including YouTube streams) would be significantly better, perhaps even dead smooth? I believe a slower G4 with a sufficiently large and fast video card might possibly be a magic G4, but 500MHz is a little too slow. A 1.25GHz with a fast large card might be the magic G4, but the need for Leopard will slow that now, so it appears the days of the magic G4 are indeed numbered, and soon extinct. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
NDN Error message???
This is driving my crazy. I sent a post to the LEM swaplist, accidentally before I was done typing it. Then I went to repost, and I get a message back that looks like this: Sorry. Your message could not be delivered to: cpitre,fc (The name was not found at the remote site. Check that the name has been entered correctly.) Every message I sent after that to the Swap List returned the same message. Anyone else have trouble with this? Thanks! -- -Jonas -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: NDN Error message???
On Jun 20, 2011, at 1:30 AM, Jonas Ulrich wrote: This is driving my crazy. I sent a post to the LEM swaplist, accidentally before I was done typing it. Then I went to repost, and I get a message back that looks like this: Sorry. Your message could not be delivered to: cpitre,fc (The name was not found at the remote site. Check that the name has been entered correctly.) Every message I sent after that to the Swap List returned the same message. Anyone else have trouble with this? Thanks! -- -Jonas Jonas, That's odd. I haven't had trouble with that. Maybe it's a temporary error? You should know, though—your message about your iMac went through several times. So that adds another dimension of strange to the problem. Isaac -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
