Re: alg5 accidentently deleted a folder and emptied trash

[mkehoe]

"Get an external HDD, plug it in and let Time Machine do it’s thing. It has 
saved my butt numerous times, and once it’s set up and running you can just 
ignore it until you need it. "

I use Time Machine, but have been reluctant to leave the external drive on 
24/7.  I usually plug it in and run periodic backups.  In your opinion, 
does leaving the external drive on and connected all the time wear out the 
drive much faster than leaving it on?  I don't make that many daily changes 
to critical data, and when I do, I do an immediate backup.  

Thanks,
Mira

On Sunday, March 6, 2016 at 6:32:30 PM UTC-6, joh...@pharmacy.arizona.edu 
wrote:
>
> What James said. Stop using that computer. 
>
> I recommend Prosoft Data Rescue https://www.prosofteng.com 
>
> Actually what I REALLY recommend is maintaining regular backups and 
> restoring the deleted stuff from backup :-), but I try not to rub it in too 
> much in these cases. 
>
> Time Machine or Carbon Copy Cloner make this very simple to do, and Time 
> Machine is free. Restoring with a utility like Data Rescue is tedious, 
> expensive and time-intensive. 
>
> Get an external HDD, plug it in and let Time Machine do it’s thing. It has 
> saved my butt numerous times, and once it’s set up and running you can just 
> ignore it until you need it. 
>
>
> > On Mar 6, 2016, at 4:36 PM, James Knight  > wrote: 
> > 
> > Stop using the hard drive immediately. 
> > 
> > There are commercial utilities available. You will have to look for one 
> that still supports 10.5 or has an older version available that will 
> support 10.5. It's also possible that you could mount the disk from a more 
> modern operating system and use such a utility from there. 
> > 
> > Sent from my mobile device. 
> > 
> >> On Mar 6, 2016, at 18:32, Charles Lenington  > wrote: 
> >> 
> >> Bruce oh wise and wonderful 
> >> 
> >> My daughter accidententally deleted a 100+/- gig folder and emptied 
> trash. Is there a way to get it back? I can't remember how or if possible. 
> >> 
> >> G5  10.5.8 
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Re: Problems trying to use an iTunes folder (library) from Mac OS 10.5.8 (Leopard) in OS 10.10.5 (Yosemite)

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Well, today with help from Apple Support, we were able to upgrade the 
library files to work on our iMac running Snow Leopard.  When I have time 
on Wednesday, we'll try to connect this external drive to the Mac Mini 
running OS 10.10.5 Yosemite.  It involved changing the file extension on 
the iTunes Library document and moving some iTunes Library files to the 
Previous iTunes folder, as well as renaming some files.  When all is 
finished, I will write down what we did to benefit others.  For reference, 
the Apple technician who has been assisting me at Apple Care is Matthew 
Davis.  He works Sat. and Mon - Wed. 12 - 11pm EST.  I believe you can call 
his extension an a message will tell you how to proceed to create a new 
case.  

Mira
Phone: 877 388-0879 ext. 1108762
Email: matthew_da...@apple.com
On Sunday, November 22, 2015 at 9:07:57 PM UTC-6, mkehoe wrote:
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> Bruce -
>
> Thanks for sharing your ideas.  I hope to spend some more time on it on 
> Monday.  I'll report my progress.
>
> Mira
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Re: Problems trying to use an iTunes folder (library) from Mac OS 10.5.8 (Leopard) in OS 10.10.5 (Yosemite)

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Bruce -

Thanks for sharing your ideas.  I hope to spend some more time on it on Monday. 
 I'll report my progress.

Mira

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Re: Problems trying to use an iTunes folder (library) from Mac OS 10.5.8 (Leopard) in OS 10.10.5 (Yosemite)

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By the way, Apple Care is free to everyone through Christmas, not just 
those who purchased new devices.


On Friday, November 20, 2015 at 10:34:37 PM UTC-6, Diane wrote:
>
> Please forgive my top posting as I'm on my phone. I've been wanting to 
> research this myself. 
>
> I had 2 machines, a G4 running Tiger and an 08 unibody MacBook running I 
> believe ML. I've had iTunes in the G4 since the beginning of time and 
> backed up the phone and iPad to it (until I had to upgrade to iOS 7 but 
> that's another story). I was planning on a new laptop in the spring and 
> knew I'd have a drastically smaller HD plus I could no longer back up the 
> mobile devices. So I read up on migrating my library to an external drive 
> which went flawlessly. I could read and modify my library from either 
> machine and back up again too. This was a couple of months before the new 
> laptop. 
>
> Again, I haven't dug into it too deeply, but even when I hook the external 
> to the new laptop and select the correct library path, all I can see in my 
> library are the songs I've purchased that are shared via the cloud. :( 
> which is about 200 out of 1300, no playlists or anything else. 
>
> I still have the old MB but I do want to wipe it at some point and it 
> seems silly to have the tower and 2 laptops on my desk!
>
> So based on my experience, I'm not sure upgrading your OS will solve your 
> problem, unless maybe you go all the way up to Yosemite? I suppose I could 
> try that as well, especially as I want to wipe the machine anyway. 
>
> Diane 
>
> Sent from my Verizon iPhone
>
> On Nov 17, 2015, at 3:49 PM, mkehoe <mira...@gmail.com > 
> wrote:
>
>
> *Problems trying to use an iTunes folder (library) from Mac OS 10.5.8 
> (Leopard) in OS 10.10.5 (Yosemite)*
>
> G4 power Mac MDD 1.25 Ghz dual finally gave up due to a failing graphics 
> card.
>
> My current challenge:  my large iTunes folder and media are on a 750G 
> drive that was internal in the G4.  When connecting it to the new Mac Mini 
> (late 2014) that I just bought, I can't get the iTunes application to 
> connect to the version of iTunes on the iTunes drive I was using in the G4, 
> which was running Leopard (OS 10.5.8) and the iTunes version that worked 
> with that OS.
>
> I spent an hour at Apple's Genius Bar with three people weighing in.  The 
> final consensus was that I may need to upgrade the iTunes folder on the 
> external drive to Lion or later BEFORE I can get the Yosemite (OS 10.10.5) 
> iTunes version to work.  The theory is that the power Mac iTunes structure 
> may not leap ahead to the Intel OS easily.
>
> Last night I spent an hour on the phone with Apple Care, and still no 
> solution working directly with the Mac Mini and the drive which contains my 
> iTunes media from the G4 environment.
>
> I have an iMac from 2009 still running Snow Leopard.  Does it seem like a 
> good idea to try to connect this external drive to the iMac and see if it 
> can read the iTunes structure? Should I consider an incremental upgrade to 
> the iMac I order to save my playlist structure from the OS 10.5.8?  The 
> library is almost 700G, so I want to make sure I don't lose all the work 
> put into compiling the playlists.  I backed up the drive last night.
>
> Any ideas?  Most of the Apple folks don't have the experience of moving 
> from this older OS to the 10.10.5 system.
>
> Thanks for any ideas,
> Mira
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Re: Problems trying to use an iTunes folder (library) from Mac OS 10.5.8 (Leopard) in OS 10.10.5 (Yosemite)

[mkehoe]

Hi Diane -

I would hold off on wiping the older machine until you are certain you can 
access your iTunes library from your other computers.

Here is what I've learned so far:

I have been in to the Apple Genius Bar twice, and have had one lengthy 
session with Apple Care over the phone.  It seems that iTunes has gone 
through some major changes to the structure since Leopard which make it 
impossible for the older version to upgrade directly to Yosemite (10.10.5) 
which is the OS that my new Mac Mini came with.  

We have an external iTunes drive with over 600G of music, organized into 
playlists which I created, and that the iTunes store would not be able to 
recreate.  I am moving very slowly on all this, as several years ago I had 
to try to reconstruct it.  I spent over 40 hours, and it still wasn't quite 
right, as there were many songs that were labeled "Track 1", etc. and were 
unfortunately organized only by the playlists.

The Apple Care person will be working again tomorrow, Sunday, so I will 
consult with him again.

We have a G4 iBook running Tiger, and and a late 2009 iMac running Snow 
Leopard.  One thought is (with the help of Apple Care) to incrementally 
upgrade the iMac one OS at a time, and upgrading the external iTunes along 
with it.  When the iTunes is finally upgraded to Yosemite on the iMac, it 
should (conceivably) work when attached to te Mac Mini running Yosemite.  

The G4 iBook can be upgraded to Leopard.  I have the discs, so I might try 
to upgrade that computer and try running the external iTunes drive from 
that.

I will continue to post any progress, and would appreciate any ideas from 
you or others who have faced a similar dilemma.  

Thanks for sharing the details of your setup and challenges.

Mira


On Friday, November 20, 2015 at 10:34:37 PM UTC-6, Diane wrote:
>
> Please forgive my top posting as I'm on my phone. I've been wanting to 
> research this myself. 
>
> I had 2 machines, a G4 running Tiger and an 08 unibody MacBook running I 
> believe ML. I've had iTunes in the G4 since the beginning of time and 
> backed up the phone and iPad to it (until I had to upgrade to iOS 7 but 
> that's another story). I was planning on a new laptop in the spring and 
> knew I'd have a drastically smaller HD plus I could no longer back up the 
> mobile devices. So I read up on migrating my library to an external drive 
> which went flawlessly. I could read and modify my library from either 
> machine and back up again too. This was a couple of months before the new 
> laptop. 
>
> Again, I haven't dug into it too deeply, but even when I hook the external 
> to the new laptop and select the correct library path, all I can see in my 
> library are the songs I've purchased that are shared via the cloud. :( 
> which is about 200 out of 1300, no playlists or anything else. 
>
> I still have the old MB but I do want to wipe it at some point and it 
> seems silly to have the tower and 2 laptops on my desk!
>
> So based on my experience, I'm not sure upgrading your OS will solve your 
> problem, unless maybe you go all the way up to Yosemite? I suppose I could 
> try that as well, especially as I want to wipe the machine anyway. 
>
> Diane 
>
> Sent from my Verizon iPhone
>
> On Nov 17, 2015, at 3:49 PM, mkehoe <mira...@gmail.com > 
> wrote:
>
>
> *Problems trying to use an iTunes folder (library) from Mac OS 10.5.8 
> (Leopard) in OS 10.10.5 (Yosemite)*
>
> G4 power Mac MDD 1.25 Ghz dual finally gave up due to a failing graphics 
> card.
>
> My current challenge:  my large iTunes folder and media are on a 750G 
> drive that was internal in the G4.  When connecting it to the new Mac Mini 
> (late 2014) that I just bought, I can't get the iTunes application to 
> connect to the version of iTunes on the iTunes drive I was using in the G4, 
> which was running Leopard (OS 10.5.8) and the iTunes version that worked 
> with that OS.
>
> I spent an hour at Apple's Genius Bar with three people weighing in.  The 
> final consensus was that I may need to upgrade the iTunes folder on the 
> external drive to Lion or later BEFORE I can get the Yosemite (OS 10.10.5) 
> iTunes version to work.  The theory is that the power Mac iTunes structure 
> may not leap ahead to the Intel OS easily.
>
> Last night I spent an hour on the phone with Apple Care, and still no 
> solution working directly with the Mac Mini and the drive which contains my 
> iTunes media from the G4 environment.
>
> I have an iMac from 2009 still running Snow Leopard.  Does it seem like a 
> good idea to try to connect this external drive to the iMac and see if it 
> can read the iTunes structure? Should I consider an incremental upgrade to 
> the iMac I order to save my playlist structure from the OS 10.5.8?  The 
> library 

Problems trying to use an iTunes folder (library) from Mac OS 10.5.8 (Leopard) in OS 10.10.5 (Yosemite)

[mkehoe]

*Problems trying to use an iTunes folder (library) from Mac OS 10.5.8 
(Leopard) in OS 10.10.5 (Yosemite)*

G4 power Mac MDD 1.25 Ghz dual finally gave up due to a failing graphics 
card.

My current challenge:  my large iTunes folder and media are on a 750G drive 
that was internal in the G4.  When connecting it to the new Mac Mini (late 
2014) that I just bought, I can't get the iTunes application to connect to 
the version of iTunes on the iTunes drive I was using in the G4, which was 
running Leopard (OS 10.5.8) and the iTunes version that worked with that OS.

I spent an hour at Apple's Genius Bar with three people weighing in.  The 
final consensus was that I may need to upgrade the iTunes folder on the 
external drive to Lion or later BEFORE I can get the Yosemite (OS 10.10.5) 
iTunes version to work.  The theory is that the power Mac iTunes structure 
may not leap ahead to the Intel OS easily.

Last night I spent an hour on the phone with Apple Care, and still no 
solution working directly with the Mac Mini and the drive which contains my 
iTunes media from the G4 environment.

I have an iMac from 2009 still running Snow Leopard.  Does it seem like a 
good idea to try to connect this external drive to the iMac and see if it 
can read the iTunes structure? Should I consider an incremental upgrade to 
the iMac I order to save my playlist structure from the OS 10.5.8?  The 
library is almost 700G, so I want to make sure I don't lose all the work 
put into compiling the playlists.  I backed up the drive last night.

Any ideas?  Most of the Apple folks don't have the experience of moving 
from this older OS to the 10.10.5 system.

Thanks for any ideas,
Mira

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Swap out video cards: G4 867 dual into G4 1.25 dual?

[mkehoe]

Can I take out the video card from my G4 867 dual MDD that has been sitting 
idle for 6-7 years and install it in my G4 1.25 dual MDD?  

The Apple genius bar person was pretty sure that the video card on the 1.25 
dual G4 is causing the symptoms I've been having: long time on the solid 
blue screen before my home page appears, etc.

This is the card I would swap out:  
http://lowendmac.com/2002/power-macintosh-g4-mirrored-drive-doors/
Video: Nvidia GeForce 4 MX on 867 MHz model,
ATI Radeon 9000 Pro  on 
faster models; AGP 4x; DVI and ADC ports, includes DVI-to-VGA adapter

A) Is the Nvidia GeForce 4 MX video card compatible with the 1.25 dual G4?
B) Would the visual difference in video display (between the two cards) be 
very obvious? 
C) Is this a fairly easy job?  I've installed other cards, internal and 
optical drives, but years ago.

The cost of purchasing a replacement video card seems not worth it, but we 
would like to continue to use this  computer as long as we can.  I kept the 
867 dual drive for parts when the power supply was failing.  I bought the 
1.25 dual drive at a low cost some years ago, and decided to move my drives 
into it, rather than use its power supply for the ailing 867.

Thanks for any advice...

Mira

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Best browser Power Mac G-4 OS 10.5.8?

[mkehoe]

I still am using a Power Mac G-4 1.25 dual  using OS 10.5.8 on a daily 
basis for some work using the internet.  I can no longer upgrade Safari, 
Firefox or Chrome.  Is there another browser that may interface better with 
the internet, or do I need to consider this computer near the end of it's 
life (in terms of the internet)?  I do have newer computers (an iMac 2009, 
and an ipad), but I am reluctant to give up on this old warhorse!  

Any ideas?

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iBook G4 worth buying?

[mkehoe]

Hi all -

I still have an iBook G4   PowerBook 6.5 with airport;  running 10.4.11

A local Goodwill has a used iBook G4 (no ac power cord/charger) for 
$40.00.  I can power it up with my power cord, but don't know how to get 
past the older user's  password page to see what operating system and 
software are on it.  I can't tell which model it is from looking at the 
case.  

Any ideas on how to get past the password page to see if it has airport, 
etc.?  I was thinking of buying it for parts.  It's on sale until Sunday at 
4pm, and so far no one has bid on it.  

Worth it?  Comments appreciated.

Thanks,

Mira

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What makes mouse/keyboard freeze up intermittently?

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I recently moved all my internal drives from a G4 MDD dual 867 mHz to
another power mac G4 (MDD dual 1.25 mHz).  I installed a PCI card with
a 400 FW port, and two 800 FW ports, and added one additional memory
stick, bringing the memory up to 2G.  We have 500G and 750G hard
drives in the ATA 100 bus, and two 160G drives in the ATA 66 bus.

We have occasional freezes of both the cursor (mouse) and keyboard; to
turn off the computer we then have to use the power button on the
tower.

Could this be a memory issue?  I downloaded memtest, but want to get
some ideas from this group before I proceed.  I still have my G4 dual
867, so I could take memory from that computer if needed, as I know
that worked.

Could it be an issue of heat?

Any ideas appreciated...




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Re: What makes mouse/keyboard freeze up intermittently?

[mkehoe]

Thanks to all ... the memory is maxed out for this particular machine
at 2G.  I bought a new 512 memory stick and added it to the three that
came with this used G4.  I checked out this computer a bit before
removing its boot drive, and replacing it with my drives; perhaps not
enough to note whether it had an issue prior to adding the PCI card
and extra memory.  I do have memory from my previous G 4 that I could
use, that I know is good. I could remove the three memory sticks that
came with the dual 1.25 and put in the three from my dual 867.  I
suppose the PCI card could be an issue, but I purchased it from Other
World Computing, and they assured me it was the right match for this
computer.

I have been using the mouse and keyboard from my earlier set up, which
worked fine. (the issue I had with my dual 867 was the power supply;
it was starting to fail.

Any additional ideas... would it be better to try swapping out the
memory from my old G4 first, or use memtest?   or, should I remove the
PCI card first, to check to see if this card is the issue?

Mira

On Oct 24, 3:03 pm, Bill Connelly billycarm...@verizon.net wrote:
 On Oct 24, 2009, at 1:30 PM, mkehoe wrote:



  I recently moved all my internal drives from a G4 MDD dual 867 mHz to
  another power mac G4 (MDD dual 1.25 mHz).  I installed a PCI card with
  a 400 FW port, and two 800 FW ports, and added one additional memory
  stick, bringing the memory up to 2G.  We have 500G and 750G hard
  drives in the ATA 100 bus, and two 160G drives in the ATA 66 bus.

  We have occasional freezes of both the cursor (mouse) and keyboard; to
  turn off the computer we then have to use the power button on the
  tower.

  Could this be a memory issue?  I downloaded memtest, but want to get
  some ideas from this group before I proceed.  I still have my G4 dual
  867, so I could take memory from that computer if needed, as I know
  that worked.

 Yes. Sounds like a memory issue. Take out the one you added, and see  
 if things level off. Still could be one already in the Mac.

 I use memtest from Applejack, and sandwich 1 stick being tested  
 between 2 others, and after the 3 permutations (combinations?), I  
 suspect all three are good. The can use 2 to sandwich a new stick for  
 testing.

 Also make sure Master/Slave/CS settings are correct on the HDs.

 Might also remove the PCI card and test with the simpler system.
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Re: What makes mouse/keyboard freeze up intermittently?

[mkehoe]

Good idea ... what is AHT?

On Oct 24, 12:56 pm, Chance Reecher cnrtechh...@gmail.com wrote:
 Check logs around the time the KB/mouse freezes up. You should also run AHT.

 mkehoe wrote:
  I recently moved all my internal drives from a G4 MDD dual 867 mHz to
  another power mac G4 (MDD dual 1.25 mHz).  I installed a PCI card with
  a 400 FW port, and two 800 FW ports, and added one additional memory
  stick, bringing the memory up to 2G.  We have 500G and 750G hard
  drives in the ATA 100 bus, and two 160G drives in the ATA 66 bus.

  We have occasional freezes of both the cursor (mouse) and keyboard; to
  turn off the computer we then have to use the power button on the
  tower.

  Could this be a memory issue?  I downloaded memtest, but want to get
  some ideas from this group before I proceed.  I still have my G4 dual
  867, so I could take memory from that computer if needed, as I know
  that worked.

  Could it be an issue of heat?

  Any ideas appreciated...
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Re: What makes mouse/keyboard freeze up intermittently?

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I have four drives total ... I haven't gone back inside today to look,
but I believe they're connected correctly.  I have been using this
computer for about 7 weeks.

What are you thinking in regards to the cables?

On Oct 24, 1:01 pm, Geoff Black bla...@telkomsa.net wrote:
 What is the total no. of drives in the G4 and are they connected with  
 the black IDE cables?
 G
 On 24 Oct 2009, at 7:30 PM, mkehoe wrote:



  I recently moved all my internal drives from a G4 MDD dual 867 mHz to
  another power mac G4 (MDD dual 1.25 mHz).  I installed a PCI card with
  a 400 FW port, and two 800 FW ports, and added one additional memory
  stick, bringing the memory up to 2G.  We have 500G and 750G hard
  drives in the ATA 100 bus, and two 160G drives in the ATA 66 bus.

  We have occasional freezes of both the cursor (mouse) and keyboard; to
  turn off the computer we then have to use the power button on the
  tower.

  Could this be a memory issue?  I downloaded memtest, but want to get
  some ideas from this group before I proceed.  I still have my G4 dual
  867, so I could take memory from that computer if needed, as I know
  that worked.

  Could it be an issue of heat?

  Any ideas appreciated...
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Re: What makes mouse/keyboard freeze up intermittently?

[mkehoe]

How long does it take to run the memory tests?  It sounded like it
could take form some minutes to several hours ... why the great
variation, and how much time to plan  for this process?

On Oct 24, 3:03 pm, Bill Connelly billycarm...@verizon.net wrote:
 On Oct 24, 2009, at 1:30 PM, mkehoe wrote:



  I recently moved all my internal drives from a G4 MDD dual 867 mHz to
  another power mac G4 (MDD dual 1.25 mHz).  I installed a PCI card with
  a 400 FW port, and two 800 FW ports, and added one additional memory
  stick, bringing the memory up to 2G.  We have 500G and 750G hard
  drives in the ATA 100 bus, and two 160G drives in the ATA 66 bus.

  We have occasional freezes of both the cursor (mouse) and keyboard; to
  turn off the computer we then have to use the power button on the
  tower.

  Could this be a memory issue?  I downloaded memtest, but want to get
  some ideas from this group before I proceed.  I still have my G4 dual
  867, so I could take memory from that computer if needed, as I know
  that worked.

 Yes. Sounds like a memory issue. Take out the one you added, and see  
 if things level off. Still could be one already in the Mac.

 I use memtest from Applejack, and sandwich 1 stick being tested  
 between 2 others, and after the 3 permutations (combinations?), I  
 suspect all three are good. The can use 2 to sandwich a new stick for  
 testing.

 Also make sure Master/Slave/CS settings are correct on the HDs.

 Might also remove the PCI card and test with the simpler system.
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Re: What makes mouse/keyboard freeze up intermittently?

[mkehoe]

Thanks!

On Oct 24, 4:33 pm, Bill Connelly billycarm...@verizon.net wrote:
 On Oct 24, 2009, at 4:29 PM, mkehoe wrote:



  How long does it take to run the memory tests?  It sounded like it
  could take form some minutes to several hours ... why the great
  variation, and how much time to plan  for this process?

 I use applejack with memtest, from within applejack, in Single User  
 Mode.

 Set aside a couple of hours for the 3 cycles it suggests, for each RAM  
 order ... unless there's a memory problem, then it will stop / should  
 be stopped.
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Re: What makes mouse/keyboard freeze up intermittently?

[mkehoe]

Thanks!

On Oct 24, 5:34 pm, Chance Reecher cnrtechh...@gmail.com wrote:
 Apple Hardware Test



 On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 4:25 PM, mkehoe mirake...@gmail.com wrote:

  Good idea ... what is AHT?

  On Oct 24, 12:56 pm, Chance Reecher cnrtechh...@gmail.com wrote:
  Check logs around the time the KB/mouse freezes up. You should also run 
  AHT.

  mkehoe wrote:
   I recently moved all my internal drives from a G4 MDD dual 867 mHz to
   another power mac G4 (MDD dual 1.25 mHz).  I installed a PCI card with
   a 400 FW port, and two 800 FW ports, and added one additional memory
   stick, bringing the memory up to 2G.  We have 500G and 750G hard
   drives in the ATA 100 bus, and two 160G drives in the ATA 66 bus.

   We have occasional freezes of both the cursor (mouse) and keyboard; to
   turn off the computer we then have to use the power button on the
   tower.

   Could this be a memory issue?  I downloaded memtest, but want to get
   some ideas from this group before I proceed.  I still have my G4 dual
   867, so I could take memory from that computer if needed, as I know
   that worked.

   Could it be an issue of heat?

   Any ideas appreciated...

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Re: What makes mouse/keyboard freeze up intermittently?

[mkehoe]

Thanks!

On Oct 24, 6:22 pm, dorayme dora...@optusnet.com.au wrote:
  Date: Sat, Oct 24 2009 10:30 am
  From: mkehoe

  I recently moved all my internal drives from a G4 MDD dual 867 mHz to
  another power mac G4 (MDD dual 1.25 mHz).  I installed a PCI card with
  a 400 FW port, and two 800 FW ports, and added one additional memory
  stick, bringing the memory up to 2G.  We have 500G and 750G hard
  drives in the ATA 100 bus, and two 160G drives in the ATA 66 bus.

  We have occasional freezes of both the cursor (mouse) and keyboard; to
  turn off the computer we then have to use the power button on the
  tower.

  Could this be a memory issue?  I downloaded memtest, but want to get
  some ideas from this group before I proceed.  I still have my G4 dual
  867, so I could take memory from that computer if needed, as I know
  that worked.

  Could it be an issue of heat?

  Any ideas appreciated...

 Yes. Go back to the way it was and *just* add the RAM stick and see  
 if it is ok before moving on or else you will be messing about on  
 tricky investigations with too many factors. My experience with new  
 or second-hand RAM sticks tells me to test the stick first by not  
 changing any other factor.

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Re: Moving hard drives from one dual G4 to another

[mkehoe]

To Bruce and others -

Well, I transferred over all the hard drives, including the boot-up
drive, and except for some temporary issues that seem related to a PCI
firewire card I tried to install at the same time, all seems to have
gone well.  Thanks for the advice and encouragement!

Mira


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Moving hard drives from one dual G4 to another

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I need to move my internal hard drives, including the start-up drive
from a G4 dual 867mHz to a G4 1.25mHz. They are from the same line,
August 2002. I have made a clone of the start-up as a back-up copy.

Can I just move the hard drives from the 867 to the 1.25, and boot up
the 1.25, or is there some intermediate step I'm unaware of? (The 867
is working, but the power supply is going, and it was cheaper to buy
this used 1.25) I plan to keep the 867 for parts.
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Re: Moving hard drives from one dual G4 to another

[mkehoe]

Both are MDD dual G4 from this line:

CPU
CPU: PowerPC 7455 G4
CPU Speed: 2x867 MHz/2x1.0 GHz/2x1.25 GHz
FPU: integrated
Bus Speed: 166 MHz
Data Path Width: 64 bit
Address Width: 32 bit
ROM: 1 MB ROM + 3 MB toolbox ROM loaded into RAM
RAM Type: PC2700 DDR
Minimum RAM Speed: 333 MHz
Onboard RAM: 0 MB
RAM slots: 4
Maximum RAM: 2.0 GB
Level 1 Cache: 32 kB data, 32 kB instruction
Level 2 Cache: 256 kB on-chip, 1:1
Level 3 Cache: 1 MB DDR SDRAM per-processor, 1:4 (2 MB for 2x 1.25
GHz)
Expansion Slots: 4 64-bit 33 MHz PCI, 1 4x AGP (filled)
 
Video
Video Card/Chipset: ATI Radeon 9000 Pro
VRAM: 64 MB
Max Resolution: all resolutions supported
Video Out: VGA/DVI, ADC
 
Storage
Hard Drive: 60/80/120 GB
ATA Bus: Ultra ATA-100
Optical Drive: 24x/8x/4x/6x/2x/1x CD-RW/DVD-R
 
Input/Output
USB: 2
Firewire: 2
Audio Out: 2x stereo 16 bit mini, Pro Speaker
Audio In: stereo 16 bit mini
Speaker: mono
 
Networking
Modem: 56 kbps
Ethernet: 10/100/1000Base-T
Airport: optional card
 
Miscellaneous
Family: PowerMac G3/G4/G5
Codename: P57
Gestalt ID: 406
Power: 338 Watts
Dimensions: 17 H x 8.9 W x 18.4 D
Weight: 42 lbs.
Minimum OS: 9.2.2
Maximum OS: 10.5.6
Introduced: August 2002
Terminated: Late 2004

What I would like to do is move all my drives, including the boot-up
drive, from the 867 to the 1.25.  The 867 is currently running
Leopard.  The 1.25 has a 160G boot-up drive currently running Tiger.
I would remove the 160G drive from the 1.25 and replace it with my
500G boot-up drive from my 867.

Is this possible?  Would I create some issues if I try?

Mira

On Sep 23, 7:38 am, Mel mll...@yahoo.com wrote:
 If the OS is comparable for both CPUs, it seems that you can make the 
 mechanical transfer of the HD and boot without incident.

 I've swapped boot HDs and booted the receiving CPU without incident several 
 times among various G4s but none newer than a DA.  E.G. Swapping a boot HD 
 from a DP DA to a Sawtooth and vice versa.

 Anyone have a different experience?

 Mel

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Re: Moving hard drives from one dual G4 to another

[mkehoe]

Thanks Bruce  Dan -

I don't have any music purchased from iTunes, so it sounds like I can
just shut down the 867mHz G4, take out the hard drives, and install
them into the 1.25mHz G4 and power it up.

Correct?

Mira

On Sep 23, 1:49 pm, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote:
 At 11:20 AM -0700 9/23/2009, mkehoe wrote:

 Bruce  others -

 I appreciate your comments.  This is the first time I am changing from
 one computer to another.  I want to make sure I understand about the
 process of authorization.

 This has nothing to do with just moving the HDs - the OS and apps
 will just work.

 Authorization is an iTunes issue ONLY.  Its point being that it
 limits how many computers can be used to play the stuff you've bought
 from the iTunes Store.  And it recognizes those computers with enough
 intelligence that the authorization won't magically move when you
 move the HD.  So you need to de-authorize that computer first, then
 move the HD, then authorize the new.

 - Dan.
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Questions about start-up drives; how best to copy a drive to be used in another computer?

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Questions about start-up drives; how best to copy a drive to be used
in another computer?

I have a G4 dual  867mhz MDD that has a power supply that's showing
signs of failing.  I recently installed Leopard on a new Seagate 7200
Barracuda 500G as my new start-up drive into this machine.  I bought a
used G4 dual 1.25 mhz MDD that works (it currently has one drive,
160G, with Tiger installed).

The Seagate intermittently makes whirring sounds as it powers down
when the 867mhz goes into sleep mode.  OWC said to send it back.

I have an empty 500 G in the ATA 66 hard drive slot in the 867mhz.  My
goal is to use the 1.25 as my working computer, and keep the 867 for
parts, etc.  What is the best way to turn the empty 500G into a boot-
up drive that will work in the 1.25mhz?  I could clone it to the drive
wjhile it's in the 867mhz, or I could put it in the empty slot in the
ATA 100 side of the 1,25, OR I have an enclosure that I could use
temporarily for the 500 G.

Any ideas, warnings, etc. are appreciated.  I have my iTunes, a 600G +
library, on a separate drive, and plan to move that drive into the
1.25 as well.  Am I right in assuming I will need to have my boot-up
drive in the 1,25 labeled thae same as the 867 in order for the iTunes
application to locate the libray on  the other drive?

Mira


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Installing used power supply G4 MDD; anything to be careful of?

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I have researched replacement power supplies for my G4 MDD dual
867mHz.  A local computer shop will sell me a used one for $110.00,
and will even install it while I wait (included in the $110).  A local
Apple dealer will sell me one for $385 + $185 installation!  The tech
there said I could just keep my computer in sleep mode to prolong the
life of the power supply, and hope it doesn't go out while I'm working
on the computer. It is still working, I just have to use the re-set
button inside before powering it up.

Question: Any opinions as to whether I should swap out the power
supply now, or buy the $110 power supply, and change it out later when
the power supply does fail, or wait until it fails, and then buy one.
I'm inclined to be proactive with changing to the used one this
week.

Also, any data or settings that may be affected by this swap?
Anything I need to be aware of?

Thanks for your advice and experience.

Mira
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Re: Replacing power supply G4 MMD

[mkehoe]

I repaired permissions, and the desktop issue was resolved.  After I
press the internal re-set button for a few seconds, I can then press
the external button(switch) and the computer will boot up. I will try
replacing the power supply.  The locall Apple Store said the computer
is too old fort them to stock parts or repair.  Any ideas on where I
can verify the correct replacement power supply needed by my Power Mac
G4 MMD dual 867mz? I'd like to order one on-line and have someone help
me replace it.

Mira

 Not opening files is not a PRAM battery issue.  As a general rule PRAM
 battery problems involve boot up.

 In the Desktop when you single click on an item is it selected?  Can you
 then open it using the File Menu Open command.

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Re: Replacing power supply G4 MMD

[mkehoe]

Thanks for the quick responses from all. My G4 is a 2002 dual 867mHz.
The battery was replaced a year ago by someone who was helping me with
my computer.  I wasn't having any problems, he just thought that after
6 years it was good to replace the battery.  But ... maybe I should
try replacing the battery first.  When I try to clic on an item on my
desktop, it won't open, but I can go to Desktop from Finder and open
the item from the list. I read up on possible issues when the battery
is low or failing, and this sounded like it could be caused by the
battery. It's good to hear that the power supply isn't too
complicated.  I can take things apart and put them back together. If
it starts from the re-set button inside the computer, it sounds like
it could either be the battery, the external switch (button) or the
power supply.  Is there an easy way to figure out which it might be,
or should I just start with the easiest/cheapest solution? Any
thoughts?


On Aug 27, 1:35 pm, Sam Macomber s...@macomber.com wrote:
 just taking parts out.  takes a little time to snake the wires out and  
 put the new ones back in.     Straight forward replacement though...

 A thought on the MDD power supplies though, I had a second one fail  
 Monday.   Only two so far,  but both were the last model MDDs made  
 (the 2003 single 1.25GHz non-FW800 ones) and both failed with in a  
 month of each other...    Think the PS in those were cheaper than the  
 earlier ones of which we have several (a pair of dual 1.25GHz and a  
 dual 867MHz)   none of the early machines power supplies have failed  
 at this point.

 -sam
 (after the boss comes back from vacation you may see a late model  
 1.25GHz MDD G4 for sale...  just needs a PS hehe)



  I've been told that the power supply probably needs replacing in my G4
  MMD.  Symptoms are: often, when trying to start up, nothing happens,
  and I have to press the re-set button inside the computer.  I have
  been just putting the computer to sleep to avoid this.
  Question:  How hard is it to replace the power supply?  Is it just
  taking out the drives, and unscrewing and screwing things in, or does
  it require soldering?

  Mira
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Replacing power supply G4 MMD

[mkehoe]

I've been told that the power supply probably needs replacing in my G4
MMD.  Symptoms are: often, when trying to start up, nothing happens,
and I have to press the re-set button inside the computer.  I have
been just putting the computer to sleep to avoid this.
Question:  How hard is it to replace the power supply?  Is it just
taking out the drives, and unscrewing and screwing things in, or does
it require soldering?

Mira
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Re: Best way to clone a hard drive to use as a start-up drive?

[mkehoe]

Thanks for all the responses .. I have Prosoft Data Backup software on
my computer ... is this comparable to Carbon Copy Cloner for cloning,
or should I use CCC?  I have 10.4.11 OS (Tiger) on my Power Mac G4.

On Jul 27, 3:09 pm, McGrude mcgr...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 12:42 PM, mkehoemirake...@gmail.com wrote:

  Any suggestions on how to create a clone of the original 60G
  (Macintosh HD) start-up drive in my G4 MDD dual 867?  I would like to
  create a clone on a larger drive, maybe 750G.  Would it work to clone
  the 60G to an 750 internal drive temporarily enclosed in a case, then
  take out the 60G, replace it with the 750G clone, and boot up using
  this drive?

 Take a look at Carbon Copy Cloner.   If it works correctly you should
 be able to easily make the copy and swap the drives.

 http://www.bombich.com/software/ccc.html
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Best way to clone a hard drive to use as a start-up drive?

[mkehoe]

Any suggestions on how to create a clone of the original 60G
(Macintosh HD) start-up drive in my G4 MDD dual 867?  I would like to
create a clone on a larger drive, maybe 750G.  Would it work to clone
the 60G to an 750 internal drive temporarily enclosed in a case, then
take out the 60G, replace it with the 750G clone, and boot up using
this drive?  Any concerns or things to be aware of?  Will the new 750G
clone automatically be named Macintosh HD?  Will this new drive be
able to connect to the( iTunes drive) without losing the playlists,
etc.? My large iTunes library is on another internal drive (iTunes
drive), and this new boot-up drive would have the iTunes application.
Do you foresee any problem with the communication between the two?
The path has worked fine with the current set-up on the 60G drive
communicating with the iTunes drive.  Thanks for any advice.
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Re: Upgrading or replacing G4 dual processor 867 MHz MDD?

[mkehoe]

Tom -

Thanks for all your advice.  I've researched a bit more, and wonder
how you and the list would compare an iMac (core dual Or core 2) to
the G5 models?  I think I can spend around $1,000 or so, knowing that
I may want to upgrade again in a couple years.  I see some used iMacs
on our local Craig's list in the price range or $650 - $950, some with
Final cut and other software bundled in.  Is there a possible downside
to having the monitor and computer all in one, other than a possible
limit on upgrades?  (for example ... if the monitor fails)

Thanks for your thoughts,
Mira




On Jan 31, 1:55 pm, Tom tba...@nmia.com wrote:
 I was faced by this same dilemma. If you can spend the money, I
 suggest you go for the G5, no less than a 2.0 GHz dual processor, in
 my opinion.
 Tom
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