Re: Need help installing and booting OS9 on G4 Quicksilver 2002

[Bruce Johnson]

> On Jan 17, 2016, at 8:36 PM, Brad Wait  wrote:
> 
> Hi
> 
> I just bought a used G4 quicksilver 2002 power mac (this one:  
> http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g4/specs/powermac_g4_1ghz_dp_qs.html).
>   
> 
> I want it to boot from OS9, and I don't really need to run OSX.  I thought 
> this would be simple to set up, but apparently not. 
> 
> Unfortunately, I bought this used without any install CDs. For the seller's 
> privacy, I wiped the hard disk by connecting the G4 via firewire to my OSX 
> laptop, and using the latest disk utility.  This wiped any OS9 drivers from 
> the disk. The newer OSX disk utility would not let me install the OS9 drivers 
> on the reformatted drives. There is no 'install OS9 drivers' checkbox. 
> 
> Two questions:
> 
>   • IF I can find a bootable OS9 installer CD, will it install the OS9 
> drivers automatically to the reformatted hard drive?  Or, will it not be able 
> to see the drive at all when it boots up?  

OS X and OS 9 used the same disk format, so there is no issue there. The 
installer CD will set the proper boot sector stuff to boot into OS 9 as part if 
the installation.

>   • I need help getting a bootable OS9 CD.  I found several ISOs online 
> that I burned to a CD using my OSX laptop. But none of ISOs appear to be 
> bootable on the G4.  I am stumped as to why this doesn't work. Here are the 
> ones I have tried:  
>   • 
> http://macintoshgarden.org/apps/power-mac-g4-quicksilver-2002-restore-discs 
>   • http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?topic=2109.0
> Anyone have suggestions?

I think you may need to use the Restore disks, not the 9.2 disk. The QS2002 
requires 9.2.2, as it was the last Mac to boot into OS 9.

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Re: Need help installing and booting OS9 on G4 Quicksilver 2002

[Tim Martin]

This is do-able - I've got a QS & a QS 2002 - 800 (upgraded to dual 1.8)
that I rebuilt and upgraded with no original software disks ... it's just I
cannot recall now quite how I did it - and I did have bootable external
HD's and removeable drives (2G Jaz) backups

1) read up and check on the partition scheme appropriate for booting OS 9

2) If you have access to  second classic booting machine put the QS into
target disk mode and connect by firewire - do the installs from the second
machine ?

keep us posted - it's a great machine - my hickey has been failing power
supplies ... with maxed out machines - replacements can prove prohibitive.




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On 18 January 2016 at 03:36, Brad Wait  wrote:

> Hi
>
> I just bought a used G4 quicksilver 2002 power mac (this one:
> http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g4/specs/powermac_g4_1ghz_dp_qs.html).
>
>
> I want it to boot from OS9, and I don't really need to run OSX.  I thought
> this would be simple to set up, but apparently not.
>
> Unfortunately, I bought this used without any install CDs. For the
> seller's privacy, I wiped the hard disk by connecting the G4 via firewire
> to my OSX laptop, and using the latest disk utility.  This wiped any OS9
> drivers from the disk. The newer OSX disk utility would not let me install
> the OS9 drivers on the reformatted drives. There is no 'install OS9
> drivers' checkbox.
>
> Two questions:
>
>
>1. IF I can find a bootable OS9 installer CD, will it install the OS9
>drivers automatically to the reformatted hard drive?  Or, will it not be
>able to see the drive at all when it boots up?
>2. I need help getting a bootable OS9 CD.  I found several ISOs online
>that I burned to a CD using my OSX laptop. But none of ISOs appear to be
>bootable on the G4.  I am stumped as to why this doesn't work. Here are the
>ones I have tried:
>
>
>-
>   
> http://macintoshgarden.org/apps/power-mac-g4-quicksilver-2002-restore-discs
>
>   - http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?topic=2109.0
>
> Anyone have suggestions?
>
> Thanks
> -Brad
>
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Re: Need help installing and booting OS9 on G4 Quicksilver 2002

[Frank Dutra]

If memory serves, and it often doesn't, the install disks are machine
specific. Might want to try a generic OSX disk that supports classic,
ie Panther, Tiger, and use the OS9 folder and drivers included.

On 1/17/16, Brad Wait  wrote:
> Hi
>
> I just bought a used G4 quicksilver 2002 power mac (this one:
> http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g4/specs/powermac_g4_1ghz_dp_qs.html).
>
>
>
> I want it to boot from OS9, and I don't really need to run OSX.  I thought
> this would be simple to set up, but apparently not.
>
> Unfortunately, I bought this used without any install CDs. For the seller's
>
> privacy, I wiped the hard disk by connecting the G4 via firewire to my OSX
> laptop, and using the latest disk utility.  This wiped any OS9 drivers from
>
> the disk. The newer OSX disk utility would not let me install the OS9
> drivers on the reformatted drives. There is no 'install OS9 drivers'
> checkbox.
>
> Two questions:
>
>
>1. IF I can find a bootable OS9 installer CD, will it install the OS9
>drivers automatically to the reformatted hard drive?  Or, will it not be
>
>able to see the drive at all when it boots up?
>2. I need help getting a bootable OS9 CD.  I found several ISOs online
>that I burned to a CD using my OSX laptop. But none of ISOs appear to be
>
>bootable on the G4.  I am stumped as to why this doesn't work. Here are
> the
>ones I have tried:
>
>
>-
>
> http://macintoshgarden.org/apps/power-mac-g4-quicksilver-2002-restore-discs
>
>   - http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?topic=2109.0
>
> Anyone have suggestions?
>
> Thanks
> -Brad
>
>
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Need help installing and booting OS9 on G4 Quicksilver 2002

[Brad Wait]

Hi

I just bought a used G4 quicksilver 2002 power mac (this one: 
 
http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g4/specs/powermac_g4_1ghz_dp_qs.html).
 
 

I want it to boot from OS9, and I don't really need to run OSX.  I thought 
this would be simple to set up, but apparently not. 

Unfortunately, I bought this used without any install CDs. For the seller's 
privacy, I wiped the hard disk by connecting the G4 via firewire to my OSX 
laptop, and using the latest disk utility.  This wiped any OS9 drivers from 
the disk. The newer OSX disk utility would not let me install the OS9 
drivers on the reformatted drives. There is no 'install OS9 drivers' 
checkbox. 

Two questions:


   1. IF I can find a bootable OS9 installer CD, will it install the OS9 
   drivers automatically to the reformatted hard drive?  Or, will it not be 
   able to see the drive at all when it boots up?  
   2. I need help getting a bootable OS9 CD.  I found several ISOs online 
   that I burned to a CD using my OSX laptop. But none of ISOs appear to be 
   bootable on the G4.  I am stumped as to why this doesn't work. Here are the 
   ones I have tried:  
   

   - 
  
http://macintoshgarden.org/apps/power-mac-g4-quicksilver-2002-restore-discs 
  - http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?topic=2109.0
   
Anyone have suggestions?

Thanks
-Brad


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Re: G4 Quicksilver 2002

[William Tomcanin]

Thanks for the responses everyone.

I confirmed that the noise was coming from the CPU cooling fan.

I removed it, removed the label, applied about 5 small drops of 3-in-1 oil
to the bearing and worked it in until the fan blades were able to move
freely.

I replaced the unit, and it is much, much quieter now (it sounded like a
field of crickets before).

I'll go ahead and purchase a replacement.

--Bill

On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 3:29 PM, John Callahan wrote:

> Could very well be although this was about seven years ago so I was
> certain the fan was original. However the plug connection made for an easy
> exchange.  No soldering! Got the fan side plug from a power supply for a
> severely damaged model aircraft I just happened to have saved.
> FWIW
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> On Mar 17, 2013, at 3:18 PM, peterh...@cruzio.com wrote:
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Re: G4 Quicksilver 2002

[John Callahan]

Could very well be although this was about seven years ago so I was certain the 
fan was original. However the plug connection made for an easy exchange.  No 
soldering! Got the fan side plug from a power supply for a severely damaged 
model aircraft I just happened to have saved.
FWIW

On Mar 17, 2013, at 3:18 PM, peterh...@cruzio.com wrote:

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Re: G4 Quicksilver 2002

[peterhaas]

> If you decide to
> replace the fan be sure and save the power plug, my new fan came without
> a plug.

Fans from electronics parts stores come with "tinned" (i.e., ready to
solder) leads, never with connectors.

If a connector is found, the fan was most likely surplus.



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Re: G4 Quicksilver 2002

[John Callahan]

If it is the fan that cools the heat sink it is very easy to replace. About 
$20.00 to buy. First I would determine whether it is just clogged with dust and 
stuff, it may just need to be cleaned. My fan was clogged to the point that it 
burned the motor out. I reseated the heat sink while replacing the fan using 
Arctic Silver from Radio Shack. If you decide to replace the fan be sure and 
save the power plug, my new fan came without a plug. FWIW
UP THE IRISH!!

On Mar 17, 2013, at 9:18 AM, William Tomcanin  wrote:

> Hello G4 users,
> 
> My 2002 Quicksilver is starting to make some noise associated with the CPU 
> cooling fan (as far as I can isolate it).
> 
> Can anyone share experiences re:  replacing this fan?
> 
> Is it fairly easy to remove, replace and/or repair (i.e., lube?)
> 

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Re: G4 Quicksilver 2002

[Dale Hoffman]

Bill,

You need to determine if it's the power supply fan or the main ventilation fan.
You can safely interrupt the spinning fan blade of the power supply (rear 
perforated panel) with a narrow piece of wood (I use a bamboo "kabob" skewer).
If the noise goes away when the fan stops it's the power supply. You can 
replace the integrated PS fan but it's not easy.
Power supply replacement is tedious and pricey.
If the noise continues when the PS fan has been stopped, you can replace the 
the main ventilation fan.
Check also to see if you have a high-end video card with an onboard fan as 
these can go bad and make noise as well.

Google the phrase "replacing mac quicksilver fan" for numerous related articles 
including some from Apple Discussion forums.

Good luck,
Dale


On Mar 17, 2013, at 9:18 AM, William Tomcanin wrote:

> Hello G4 users,
> 
> My 2002 Quicksilver is starting to make some noise associated with the CPU 
> cooling fan (as far as I can isolate it).
> 
> Can anyone share experiences re:  replacing this fan?
> 
> Is it fairly easy to remove, replace and/or repair (i.e., lube?)
> 
> Thanks,
> Bill

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Re: G4 Quicksilver 2002

[peterhaas]

> My 2002 Quicksilver is starting to make some noise associated with the CPU
> cooling fan (as far as I can isolate it).
>
> Can anyone share experiences re:  replacing this fan?
>
> Is it fairly easy to remove, replace and/or repair (i.e., lube?)

It is a generic fan.

You will have to obtain a generic replacement and cut the connector and
cable off of the failed fan and solder it onto the replacement.

These fans are 12 volts, dc.



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Re: G4 Quicksilver 2002

[William Tomcanin]

Hello G4 users,

My 2002 Quicksilver is starting to make some noise associated with the CPU
cooling fan (as far as I can isolate it).

Can anyone share experiences re:  replacing this fan?

Is it fairly easy to remove, replace and/or repair (i.e., lube?)

Thanks,
Bill

On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 2:26 AM, Peter Plas  wrote:

> Hello G4 users,
>
> I have a Quicksilver G4 2002 running OSX 10.5.8 with 1.5 GB of RAM and two
> internal Harddisks ( 320 GB and 160 GB) installed
> and I use it every day. It still looks as if it came right out of the box.
> Last week I put in a new pram battery after 10 years !
> As long as I will be able to run most of my software for surfing (using
> TenFourFox7450) and word processing (open office)  I will continue to use
> it.
>
>
> Peter
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: G4 Quicksilver 2002

[Mac User #330250]

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Subject: Re: G4 Quicksilver 2002
Date:Friday, 23. November 2012
From:peterh...@cruzio.com
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> > Why bother with buying from China?
> 
> Because they are fresh stock with the latest firmware, and they cost only
> a couple of bucks, delivered to any U.S. address.

I guess it depends on what one personally prefers…

And I don’t really think that firmware is an issue here: such an adapter has 
to convert from the parallel ATA i.e. PATA or IDE to the SATA standard. It is 
like RAM DIMMs to me. PC or Mac, U.S. or China… whatever.

Examples for adapters I would buy:
Digitus DS-33151
DeLock 61702
(see http://www.delock.de/produkte/G_61702/merkmale.html?setLanguage=en)

Interesting though, I had trouble finding product info in the English 
language… Maybe these adapters (from Digitus and DeLock) are only common in 
Europe. I cannot image that there are no such /cheap/ products available in 
the U.S. though.

Anyway, I personally like to take the nearest supplier, so I can see (and 
touch) what I’m buying. If this is not an option (due to a significant higher 
price or availibility) I go for national, then international shipping.

So, that’s my personal preference…

Cheers,
Andreas  aka  Mac User #330250

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Re: G4 Quicksilver 2002

[peterhaas]

> Why bother with buying from China?

Because they are fresh stock with the latest firmware, and they cost only
a couple of bucks, delivered to any U.S. address.



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Re: G4 Quicksilver 2002

[Mac User #330250]

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Subject: Re: G4 Quicksilver 2002
Date:Friday, 23. November 2012
From:Baldassare Guzzo 
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> I once posted telling everyone how great my old G4 933 (2001) was and I got
> a lot of flack for the post.  LOL.  My 11 year old G4 runs so good.  Once
> in a while I think about a new iMac but really have no intentions until my
> G4 becomes completely unusable.  I put a USB 2.0 card and a pci sata
> controller with 2 hard drives and it runs just fine. That should get me a
> few more years.   A few years ago, my stock super drive stopped working so
> I put in a new pioneer unit. I use a beautiful ADC 23" Cinema display and
> enjoy being able to see 2 pages at one time.

I’ve bought all my Macs after they’ve decided to go Intel… What came after 10.6 
was a tighter integration/binding to the Internet, and the Apple App Store and 
iTunes with all of Apples little gadgets and smart devices.

I neighter need nor do I want that.

IMHO, Apple went the wrong way. The hardware they built while in the PowerPC 
era was IMHO the best, even if they didn’t realize it. So was the software (Mac 
OS X went a very good way from NEXTSTEP over Rhapsody to Mac OS X 10.6, but 
they went straight down into commerce right after. It’s only business – too 
much for my taste.


So I’m happily running Mac OS X 10.3, 10.4 and 10.5 alongside 8.6 and 9.2.2 on 
my G3 and G4 Macs, and Linux on my PCs.

Cheers,
Andreas  aka  Mac User #330250

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Re: G4 Quicksilver 2002

[Mac User #330250]

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Subject: Re: G4 Quicksilver 2002
Date:Friday, 23. November 2012
From:peterh...@cruzio.com
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> Available from MANY Hong Kong or Chinese eBay sellers are SATA-to-IDE
> converters, which will allow a current generation SATA drive (of whatever
> type) to appear to be PATA (IDE) to the host.

You can also get such an adapter from your local PC store. These are standard 
devices, which can be used on any IDE=PATA bus, be it in a PC or Mac case.
Even Amazon has them in stock.

Why bother with buying from China?

Cheers,
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Re: G4 Quicksilver 2002

[peterhaas]

> Today, you can get a super-multi Lite-on for about $20.
>
> I use these in certain Hacks which, for reasons of ports, must use IDE
> hard and optical drives.

Available from MANY Hong Kong or Chinese eBay sellers are SATA-to-IDE
converters, which will allow a current generation SATA drive (of whatever
type) to appear to be PATA (IDE) to the host.

AN advantage of these converters is (are):

1) the PATA interface is 80-wire/40-pin, which has been used on Apple
products from the Blue and White G3, and on all later models,

2) "large" drives are supported, and

3) only one power connection is required as the adapter receives all
power, and it distributes it to both to the adapter itself AND to the
drive.



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Re: G4 Quicksilver 2002

[peterhaas]

> A few years ago, my stock super drive stopped
> working so I put in a new pioneer unit.

In that time-frame, Pioneer was about the best there was.

Today, you can get a super-multi Lite-on for about $20.

I use these in certain Hacks which, for reasons of ports, must use IDE
hard and optical drives.



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Re: G4 Quicksilver 2002

[Baldassare Guzzo]

I once posted telling everyone how great my old G4 933 (2001) was and I got a 
lot of flack for the post.  LOL.  My 11 year old G4 runs so good.  Once in a 
while I think about a new iMac but really have no intentions until my G4 
becomes completely unusable.  I put a USB 2.0 card and a pci sata controller 
with 2 hard drives and it runs just fine. That should get me a few more years.  
 A few years ago, my stock super drive stopped working so I put in a new 
pioneer unit. I use a beautiful ADC 23" Cinema display and enjoy being able to 
see 2 pages at one time.  

On Nov 23, 2012, at 10:59 AM, Jesse StJohn wrote:

> i have mdd thats  maxed out. its great, and i plan on  using it until it 
> goes toasty, it also runs the last version of leopard as well   
> good for you :)
> 
> On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 1:26 AM, Peter Plas  wrote:
> Hello G4 users,
> 
> I have a Quicksilver G4 2002 running OSX 10.5.8 with 1.5 GB of RAM and two 
> internal Harddisks ( 320 GB and 160 GB) installed
> and I use it every day. It still looks as if it came right out of the box.
> Last week I put in a new pram battery after 10 years !
> As long as I will be able to run most of my software for surfing (using 
> TenFourFox7450) and word processing (open office)  I will continue to use it
> 
> Peter
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: G4 Quicksilver 2002

[Jesse StJohn]

i have mdd thats  maxed out. its great, and i plan on  using it until
it goes toasty, it also runs the last version of leopard as
well   good for you :)

On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 1:26 AM, Peter Plas  wrote:

> Hello G4 users,
>
> I have a Quicksilver G4 2002 running OSX 10.5.8 with 1.5 GB of RAM and two
> internal Harddisks ( 320 GB and 160 GB) installed
> and I use it every day. It still looks as if it came right out of the box.
> Last week I put in a new pram battery after 10 years !
> As long as I will be able to run most of my software for surfing (using
> TenFourFox7450) and word processing (open office)  I will continue to use it
>
> Peter
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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G4 Quicksilver 2002

[Peter Plas]

Hello G4 users,

I have a Quicksilver G4 2002 running OSX 10.5.8 with 1.5 GB of RAM and  
two internal Harddisks ( 320 GB and 160 GB) installed
and I use it every day. It still looks as if it came right out of the  
box.

Last week I put in a new pram battery after 10 years !
As long as I will be able to run most of my software for surfing  
(using TenFourFox7450) and word processing (open office)  I will  
continue to use it.



Peter










 
 


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Re: PC133 RAM in 933 G4 Quicksilver 2002 (QS2000) -- just like they said -- no ECC RAM support

[peterhaas]

> Now if someone can come up with a hack to let me de-solder part of the
> ECC stick to turn it into a non-ECC... that would be fantastic!

Parity will work but ECC will not.

Also, the RAM must be unbuffered and not registered.

Machines in the gigabit through Quicksilver era have just enough on-mobo
buffering for a total of seven loads (eight if you count the processor).

Which is why the 100 MHz bus machines have four RAM slots (but only three
PCI slots) whereas the 133 MHz bus machines have only three RAM slots (but
four PCI slots).



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PC133 RAM in 933 G4 Quicksilver 2002 (QS2000) -- just like they said -- no ECC RAM support

[turn]

I'm sure anyone who has experience with this will know this already,
and many might even say "I'd told you so", but I'd like to confirm
that using PC133 CL3 ECC RAM in a G4 QS2002 -- DOES NOT WORK.

I was suspicious that I might be able to use one stick of non-ECC RAM
and then the other two sticks of ECC and that the motherboard ram
controller might somehow see the non-ECC RAM and just work.  Well it
doesn't.  No combination tested so far allows any of the ECC RAM to
work in the machine.  Adding just one stick, in any order, with or
without non-ECC RAM prevents the machine in booting.

For kicks I tried the ECC RAM in a blue-and-white G4 (not sure if it
was 350Mhz or 450Mhz) -- zilch.  Didn't work either.

I had been a bit hopeful because I found online someone's comment that
they had used ECC ram in their G4 Cube successfully.

Also I have noticed that in my G4 QS2002 that if I used three sticks
of CL2 memory the machine was crashing but that if I put that same CL2
memory in with one stick of CL3 the machine apparently slowed down all
the memory access and I had no problems then with that CL2 memory.

Anyway... thought that documenting this clear test might help somebody
some grief someday.

I tried ECC sticks from Micron, Samsung, and one or two others.  None
worked.  The irony is that when it was new ECC memory was more
expensive and now, apparently because so many servers have been
decommissioned, the used RAM market has much cheaper ECC memory than
the non-ECC.

Now if someone can come up with a hack to let me de-solder part of the
ECC stick to turn it into a non-ECC... that would be fantastic!

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Re: G4 Quicksilver 2002

[Kevin Barth]

I have both Leopard and Tiger on my dual-800 QS with 1.5gb ram.  Leopard
takes longer to startup, but once it has done so, I have no problems with
its performance.  I don't have a single-processor model to compare it to,
though.

On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Jay  wrote:

> Anybody running Leopard on a G4 Quicksilver 2002 800mhz with 1.5gb ram
> and how is it?
>
>

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Re: G4 Quicksilver 2002

[Dan]

At 5:01 PM +0100 2/10/2011, J.M.P.Hissel wrote:

Just 2 weeks ago I composed my QS 800/'02 as follows:
HD 75 GB with 10.4.11 and 9.2.2 in the lower bay
HD 75 GB with 10.5.8 in the upper bay
HD 115 GB for storage in the Zip bay
PIONEER DVD-RW  DVR-116D
1,5 GB RAM
NVIDIA GeForce2 MX with TwinView  conn.to a LaCie electr22b3
ATY,Rage128 conn.to a DELL E196FP
PCI 1799/ USB-2

All is working flawlessly. But Tiger is much snappier and faster than
Leopard on this Mac.


With Spotlight indexing enabled or ?

...Leopard does a lot of background preview generation and such. 
I've run into a number of systems that felt more sluggish than Tiger, 
until those processes finished.  I worry that people make snap 
performance judgements without taking that into account.  Leopard's 
kernel really is faster than Tiger's.  It's the add-ons that slow 
things.


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Re: G4 Quicksilver 2002

[dc]

On Feb 7, 12:40 pm, Jay  wrote:
> Anybody running Leopard on a G4 Quicksilver 2002 800mhz with 1.5gb ram
> and how is it?
> I have read on LEM that I will be pushing if I want decent performance
> and that's fair enough.

Leopard will be slower than Tiger but I think you will find it
accaptable. One thing you can do: after installing and updating
Leopard download and run Monolingual (freeware). Remove all languages
you don't use and remove the Intel architecture. You'll save a few GB
disk space and gain better performance.

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Re: G4 Quicksilver 2002

[peterhaas]

> Just 2 weeks ago I composed my QS 800/'02 as follows:
> HD 75 GB with 10.4.11 and 9.2.2 in the lower bay
> HD 75 GB with 10.5.8 in the upper bay
> HD 115 GB for storage in the Zip bay
> PIONEER DVD-RW  DVR-116D
> 1,5 GB RAM
> NVIDIA GeForce2 MX with TwinView  conn.to a LaCie electr22b3
> ATY,Rage128 conn.to a DELL E196FP
> PCI 1799/ USB-2
>
> All is working flawlessly. But Tiger is much snappier and faster than
> Leopard on this Mac.

On a 1.5 GB RAM QS 2002, 10.4.11 is the best choice.

10.5.8 is runnable, but it is slow.



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Re: G4 Quicksilver 2002

[J.M.P.Hissel]

On 07-02-2011 18:40, Jay, jonathan.newcas...@gmail.com, wrote:

> Anybody running Leopard on a G4 Quicksilver 2002 800mhz with 1.5gb ram
> and how is it?
> 
> I have read on LEM that I will be pushing if I want decent performance
> and that's fair enough.
> 
> Just thought I would ask for, before I put the idea to bed and install
> Tiger.
> 
> (Not looking to make any hardware upgrades, yet).

Hello Jay,

Just 2 weeks ago I composed my QS 800/'02 as follows:
HD 75 GB with 10.4.11 and 9.2.2 in the lower bay
HD 75 GB with 10.5.8 in the upper bay
HD 115 GB for storage in the Zip bay
PIONEER DVD-RW  DVR-116D
1,5 GB RAM
NVIDIA GeForce2 MX with TwinView  conn.to a LaCie electr22b3
ATY,Rage128 conn.to a DELL E196FP
PCI 1799/ USB-2

All is working flawlessly. But Tiger is much snappier and faster than
Leopard on this Mac. On my MDD FW800 the difference between Tiger and
Leopard is almost zero.

HTH,

Jo Hissel

 

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G4 Quicksilver 2002

[Jay]

Anybody running Leopard on a G4 Quicksilver 2002 800mhz with 1.5gb ram
and how is it?

I have read on LEM that I will be pushing if I want decent performance
and that's fair enough.

Just thought I would ask for, before I put the idea to bed and install
Tiger.

(Not looking to make any hardware upgrades, yet).

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Re: Repairing a Power Mac G4 Quicksilver 2002 and getting it running again

[Dana Collins]

On 8/30/09 10:04 PM, Robert Menes of viewtiful.icc...@gmail.com sent

> 
> Hi everyone, I have a Power Mac G4 (Quicksilver 2002, 800 MHz) that
> needs a little repair work done on it.
> 
> My girlfriend got the machine from a neighbor of hers, and it needed
> RAM and a video card. A friend of mine supplied the needed parts to me
> (384MB of RAM and an ATI Rage video card; unsure of exact model). I
> installed the parts into the machine today, and tried to power it up.
> 
> The first thing I heard was a horribly loud grinding noise coming from
> one of the fans. It wasn't the fan in the PSU, but the second fan
> that sits underneath the PSU. So when I unscrewed the metal cage
> surrounding the fan, I discovered that the fan itself was badly cracked,
> and the blades were grinding against the edge of the fan.
> 
> The fan part is a Sensflow DC Brushless; model # WFC1212B. This is the
> first repair I need to make.
>\

Hi Robert,
Wait a few seconds and some one from the Swap list will be offering you a
spare part. :-) If you are not a member of the LEM Swap List, by all means
join; one of the best resources to obtain used parts for Macs at reasonable,
better-than- eBay prices.
> The second problem involves any attempt to install or boot Mac OS X. I
> tried three different OSes: Mac OS 9.2, Mac OS X 10.0.3, and Mac OS X
> 10.2. Mac OS 9.2 starts, but then stops with a system error. OS X 10.0.3
> starts booting, then kernel panics at the Happy Mac. OS X 10.2 also
> starts, but then crashes at the grey Apple logo. I'm wondering if the
> hard drive in this Mac may also be bad; no system is detected on it at
> all. I even tried switching the drive with another (the original drive
> was an 80GB Western Digital; the replacement is a 60GB WD). Alas, no dice.
> 
> Would anyone on this list be able to tell me where I can perhaps
> find a replacement fan to replace the broken one, and also perhaps
> have an idea what could be wrong with my system, and why any Mac OS
> version I try running craps out? Thanks!

Most likely, regarding your boot-up problems, is that the RAM provided for
you is bad, and/or incompatible with OS X (which is pretty particular of its
RAM - a failed install is a good indicator that the RAM is unacceptable for
OS X standards. OS X.2 requires a minimum of 128Mb (iirc) RAM. Boot up with
one stick at a time (using OS 10.2) and see if any of them are successful
(zap the PRAM and reset the motherboard while you're at it). Hopefully, at
least one stick will be good so you can proceed with installation,
admittedly rather sluggishly. Then get more RAM at the Swaplist. I would
avoid any OS upgrades (to 10.3, 10.4.x) until you are able to up the RAM,
and until you're able to check the firmware version.
HTH,
Dana


> 
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Re: Repairing a Power Mac G4 Quicksilver 2002 and getting it running again

[dorayme]

> Date: Sun, Aug 30 2009 11:08 pm
> From: Clark Martin
>
>
> Robert Menes wrote:
>>
>> The second problem involves any attempt to install or boot Mac OS  
>> X. I
>> tried three different OSes: Mac OS 9.2, Mac OS X 10.0.3, and Mac OS X
>> 10.2. Mac OS 9.2 starts, but then stops with a system error. OS X  
>> 10.0.3
>> starts booting, then kernel panics at the Happy Mac. OS X 10.2 also
>> starts, but then crashes at the grey Apple logo. I'm wondering if ...

> Very unlikely it's the HD.  One HD failure mode would prevent the CD
> from even booting.  Others could cause a problem but much further  
> along
> than you are seeing.  That isn't to say the HD is good, just that it's
> not likely causing the problems you are seeing so far.
>
> RAM is the most likely culprit.  You have at least two DIMMs to get  
> 384
> Mb so try removing one then booting.  If that fails then try removing
> the other DIMM.

I would guess that too, perhaps even both sticks are no good. I have  
had trouble in the past with brought in or purchased used sticks, so  
I am ever cautious about them. They seem quite cheap new in  
America. What sticks are they?




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Re: Repairing a Power Mac G4 Quicksilver 2002 and getting it running again

[Clark Martin]

Robert Menes wrote:
> Hi everyone, I have a Power Mac G4 (Quicksilver 2002, 800 MHz) that
> needs a little repair work done on it.
> 
> My girlfriend got the machine from a neighbor of hers, and it needed
> RAM and a video card. A friend of mine supplied the needed parts to me
> (384MB of RAM and an ATI Rage video card; unsure of exact model). I
> installed the parts into the machine today, and tried to power it up.
> 
> The first thing I heard was a horribly loud grinding noise coming from
> one of the fans. It wasn't the fan in the PSU, but the second fan
> that sits underneath the PSU. So when I unscrewed the metal cage
> surrounding the fan, I discovered that the fan itself was badly cracked,
> and the blades were grinding against the edge of the fan.
> 
> The fan part is a Sensflow DC Brushless; model # WFC1212B. This is the
> first repair I need to make.
> 
> The second problem involves any attempt to install or boot Mac OS X. I
> tried three different OSes: Mac OS 9.2, Mac OS X 10.0.3, and Mac OS X
> 10.2. Mac OS 9.2 starts, but then stops with a system error. OS X 10.0.3
> starts booting, then kernel panics at the Happy Mac. OS X 10.2 also
> starts, but then crashes at the grey Apple logo. I'm wondering if the
> hard drive in this Mac may also be bad; no system is detected on it at
> all. I even tried switching the drive with another (the original drive
> was an 80GB Western Digital; the replacement is a 60GB WD). Alas, no dice.

Very unlikely it's the HD.  One HD failure mode would prevent the CD 
from even booting.  Others could cause a problem but much further along 
than you are seeing.  That isn't to say the HD is good, just that it's 
not likely causing the problems you are seeing so far.

RAM is the most likely culprit.  You have at least two DIMMs to get 384 
Mb so try removing one then booting.  If that fails then try removing 
the other DIMM.

Also try un-plugging and re-connecting all the cables.

Try zapping the PRAM

Start up and hold down Command-Option-P-R

  and resetting Open Firmware.

Check the battery, a voltage reading below 3.0V and you should replace it.

Start up and hold down Command-Option-O-F

At the prompt type:

reset-nvram
reset-all

At this point the computer will restart.


> 
> Would anyone on this list be able to tell me where I can perhaps
> find a replacement fan to replace the broken one, and also perhaps
> have an idea what could be wrong with my system, and why any Mac OS
> version I try running craps out? Thanks!

Try <http://www.digikey.com> and <http://www.alltronics.com> for one.

You need one that is the same size (hole spacing and thickness) and 
power (voltage and current).

-- 
Clark Martin
Redwood City, CA, USA
Macintosh / Internet Consulting

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Repairing a Power Mac G4 Quicksilver 2002 and getting it running again

[Robert Menes]

Hi everyone, I have a Power Mac G4 (Quicksilver 2002, 800 MHz) that
needs a little repair work done on it.

My girlfriend got the machine from a neighbor of hers, and it needed
RAM and a video card. A friend of mine supplied the needed parts to me
(384MB of RAM and an ATI Rage video card; unsure of exact model). I
installed the parts into the machine today, and tried to power it up.

The first thing I heard was a horribly loud grinding noise coming from
one of the fans. It wasn't the fan in the PSU, but the second fan
that sits underneath the PSU. So when I unscrewed the metal cage
surrounding the fan, I discovered that the fan itself was badly cracked,
and the blades were grinding against the edge of the fan.

The fan part is a Sensflow DC Brushless; model # WFC1212B. This is the
first repair I need to make.

The second problem involves any attempt to install or boot Mac OS X. I
tried three different OSes: Mac OS 9.2, Mac OS X 10.0.3, and Mac OS X
10.2. Mac OS 9.2 starts, but then stops with a system error. OS X 10.0.3
starts booting, then kernel panics at the Happy Mac. OS X 10.2 also
starts, but then crashes at the grey Apple logo. I'm wondering if the
hard drive in this Mac may also be bad; no system is detected on it at
all. I even tried switching the drive with another (the original drive
was an 80GB Western Digital; the replacement is a 60GB WD). Alas, no dice.

Would anyone on this list be able to tell me where I can perhaps
find a replacement fan to replace the broken one, and also perhaps
have an idea what could be wrong with my system, and why any Mac OS
version I try running craps out? Thanks!

--Robert
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