Re: HD problem on my PowerMac G3
On Mar 8, 2012, at 10:00 PM, W.Adrian D'Alessio wrote: Are the USB drivers installed. ? ( If a USB keyboard it being used ) On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 10:33 PM, Valter Prahlad valter.prah...@fastwebnet.it wrote: Il giorno 6-03-2012 5:48, Eleni ha scritto: I tried to boot up with original Mac OS 8.6 disk in DVD drive holding the 'C' key, and it would go straight to the HD. My guess is that the original disk is not a boot up disk AFAIK, any Apple's MacOS disk is a bootable disk (OTOH, I noticed a copied MacOS disk might not be bootable anymore). Try to boot when holding down the Delete. Option, Command, Shift, keys (DOCS) You have to get the keys down at about the time the CD begins to spin. Some times it takes a few trys. Also some of the older CD ROM drives if not an Apple drive will not boot but will mount CD's. John Carmonne Yorba Linda CA 92886 USA MacPro 2.66 Quad Nehalem -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: HD problem on my PowerMac G3
Keyboard is USB and mouse connected to keyboard, all work ok. I also have an ADB keyboard and mouse if needed. On Mar 6, 2012, at 6:48 AM, Eleni wrote: Thank you all for your input. I decided to format the drive and start fresh, as the PowerMac G3 came with the HD drive and Mac OS 8.6 installed from previous owner. I tried to boot up with original Mac OS 8.6 disk in DVD drive holding the 'C' key, and it would go straight to the HD. My guess is that the original disk is not a boot up disk, but how can I start fresh? Any ideas? On Mar 5, 2012, at 6:46 PM, Douglas Mencken wrote: Is there a problem with Mac OS 8,6 handling data?? How 6GB of data consume more than 15BG on my HD?? Can you screenshot the Get Info for that folder? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: HD problem on my PowerMac G3
Hello! If you boot the PM G3, will the CD you're using mount to the desktop? Can you start an install from the CD? If yes, the drive is likely in good working order. Have you tried selecting the CD as the default startup device in the 'Startup Device' control panel? And indeed, OS 8.6 should boot just fine on the G3. You can also try to boot a later OS (if you have any)! Greetings, Eelco. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: HD problem on my PowerMac G3
Il giorno 9-03-2012 7:12, Eleni ha scritto: Keyboard is USB and mouse connected to keyboard, all work ok. I also have an ADB keyboard and mouse if needed. Ah, that's likely the problem: USB ports aren't standard on a PM G3, so they are enabled by system extensions AFTER the boot process. :-) That's why you G3 doesn't respond to the C key for booting from CD. Try using the ADB keyboard and see if that solves the booting issue. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: HD problem on my PowerMac G3
Il giorno 9-03-2012 19:53, Mac User #330250 ha scritto: On my Power Mac G3 BW the keyboard is also connected on one of the two internal USB-1.1 ports. You're right, I was thinking about Beige G3, but BW G3 had built-in USB. Obviously it doesn¹t work when connected to a USB port of a PCI expansion card, like any USB-2.0 PCI expansion card. Yes, I thought about that issue because the OP said the Mac didn't recognize the C key pressed: a hint the keyboard might not be listened to yet during boot. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: HD problem on my PowerMac G3
On Mar 9, 2012, at 12:12 AM, Eleni wrote: Keyboard is USB and mouse connected to keyboard, all work ok. I also have an ADB keyboard and mouse if needed. This is your problem. USB keyboards were known to be problematic for booting BW. Attach the ADB keyboard and you should be fine using either the C key or the Option key for booting, assuming the PRAM battery is good and the optical unit is good. If you still can't boot with an ADB keyboard, the optical unit may be flakey. There was a firmware update for some of the optical units that came OEM on this old G3s, but it might be a good idea to get a newer optical drive, you can probably get a newer DVD drive for $10-15 on Craig's List. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: HD problem on my PowerMac G3
Thank you all for your input. I decided to format the drive and start fresh, as the PowerMac G3 came with the HD drive and Mac OS 8.6 installed from previous owner. I tried to boot up with original Mac OS 8.6 disk in DVD drive holding the 'C' key, and it would go straight to the HD. My guess is that the original disk is not a boot up disk, but how can I start fresh? Any ideas? On Mar 5, 2012, at 6:46 PM, Douglas Mencken wrote: Is there a problem with Mac OS 8,6 handling data?? How 6GB of data consume more than 15BG on my HD?? Can you screenshot the Get Info for that folder? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: HD problem on my PowerMac G3
Il giorno 6-03-2012 5:48, Eleni ha scritto: I tried to boot up with original Mac OS 8.6 disk in DVD drive holding the 'C' key, and it would go straight to the HD. My guess is that the original disk is not a boot up disk AFAIK, any Apple's MacOS disk is a bootable disk (OTOH, I noticed a copied MacOS disk might not be bootable anymore). Of course, not any MacOS disk can boot any Mac. But, in your case, 8.6 should boot your PM G3. Is it an original Apple CD? Is the keyboard an ADB one, or an USB one? (if USB, is it connected directly to the USB port, or through an USB hub?). -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: HD problem on my PowerMac G3
Are the USB drivers installed. ? ( If a USB keyboard it being used ) On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 10:33 PM, Valter Prahlad valter.prah...@fastwebnet.it wrote: Il giorno 6-03-2012 5:48, Eleni ha scritto: I tried to boot up with original Mac OS 8.6 disk in DVD drive holding the 'C' key, and it would go straight to the HD. My guess is that the original disk is not a boot up disk AFAIK, any Apple's MacOS disk is a bootable disk (OTOH, I noticed a copied MacOS disk might not be bootable anymore). Of course, not any MacOS disk can boot any Mac. But, in your case, 8.6 should boot your PM G3. Is it an original Apple CD? Is the keyboard an ADB one, or an USB one? (if USB, is it connected directly to the USB port, or through an USB hub?). -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- Adrian D'Alessio aka; Fluxstringer fluxstrin...@gmail.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/fluxstreamcommunication/ http://www.facebook.com/FluxStringer http://www.linkedin.com/in/fluxstreamcommunications http://flux-influx.blogspot.com/ http://fluxdreams.designbinder.com/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: HD problem on my PowerMac G3
Is there a problem with Mac OS 8,6 handling data?? How 6GB of data consume more than 15BG on my HD?? Can you screenshot the Get Info for that folder? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: HD problem on my PowerMac G3 - Clusters and HD space
Il giorno 4-03-2012 7:07, Eleni ha scritto: On Mac OS 8.6 I had 17.8 GB left on my HD, I copied about 6GB uncompressed applications, and before installing them, I saw that I had only 1.7GB left!! Well, it shouldn't. Is there a problem with Mac OS 8,6 handling data?? None that I know of. I used it for years without any problem of that kind. The only HD limitation with Macs of that era (but non specific to 8.6) is the 128 GB limit even on bigger HDs (limit removed with newest G4 Quicksilver and up). How 6GB of data consume more than 15BG on my HD?? The only thing I can think of, is if you copy a *large* amount of *tiny* files. IIRC, since HD space is allocated in chunks called cluster (and they usually are as big as 512 to 4096 bytes), if you store a text file with just the word Hello in it, the file will be 5 bytes (characters) long, but it will occupy a whole cluster nevertheless (thus 4KByte on newer HD), wasting 4091 bytes. When you have lots of small files, this wasted space can be significant; and it grows on newer HDs that have bigger clusters. Hence, if you copy lots of small files from an old HD (with small clusters) to a new HD (with bigger clusters), the actual data copied will be the same, but the space occupied by the files on the new HD will be much bigger. E.g.: you have 1,000,000 files, each long 100 bytes. The actual data is 100 MB (1M x 100B), but: - On a HD with 512 bytes clusters, those files would occupy 512 MB (1M x 512B). - On a HD with 4K (4096 bytes) clusters, the same files would occupy 4 GB (1M x 4KB = 1,000,000 x 4,096). If you copy those files from the old to the new HD, you'll start with 512 MB and you'll end with 4 GB occupied... and you might wonder why your data has grown eight fold! :-o This on a theoretical level. Actually, I don't think this is likely what happened to you, but is the only explanation I can think of (short of a HD malfunction). -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: HD problem on my PowerMac G3
On Mar 3, 2012, at 11:07 PM, Eleni wrote: Hi everyone, Have a PowerMac G3 400MHz with 1GB Ram and an IBM 60GB HD/7200rpm built 2001. On Mac OS 8.6 I had 17.8 GB left on my HD, I copied about 6GB uncompressed applications, and before installing them, I saw that I had only 1.7GB left!! Is there a problem with Mac OS 8,6 handling data?? How 6GB of data consume more than 15BG on my HD?? My very first guess is that they weren't really uncompressed. My second thought is that something happened during the transfer and somehow some very large temporary files were left in place. My third guess is that you accidentally copied them twice; I've done it more than once. Valter might be right, it could be an issue of different disk cluster sizes; but these would have to be large installers, composed of all teensy tiny files moved from a much smaller disk. (although I'm vaguely remembering that HFS+ deals with this in some fashion.) You probably need to move and install the applications one at a time. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: HD problem on my PowerMac G3
On 3/4/12 12:07 AM, Eleni wrote: Hi everyone, Have a PowerMac G3 400MHz with 1GB Ram and an IBM 60GB HD/7200rpm built 2001. On Mac OS 8.6 I had 17.8 GB left on my HD, I copied about 6GB uncompressed applications, and before installing them, I saw that I had only 1.7GB left!! Is there a problem with Mac OS 8,6 handling data?? How 6GB of data consume more than 15BG on my HD?? Any ideas? Check your trash folder, there may be some deleted but not emptied files in trash. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
HD problem on my PowerMac G3
Hi everyone, Have a PowerMac G3 400MHz with 1GB Ram and an IBM 60GB HD/7200rpm built 2001. On Mac OS 8.6 I had 17.8 GB left on my HD, I copied about 6GB uncompressed applications, and before installing them, I saw that I had only 1.7GB left!! Is there a problem with Mac OS 8,6 handling data?? How 6GB of data consume more than 15BG on my HD?? Any ideas? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
