Re: Any replacement keyboards
On Jun 28, 10:41 am, Al Poulin wrote: > Okay, I did not say the $595 models were under the Products tab. But > look at their home page, about half way down. There are three models > at that price.http://matias.ca/products/index.php Oh, my. There they are. Those are not their Tactile model, but they do indeed have $595 keyboards. They all (the $600 ones) feature Matias's "half-keyboard" typing technology. >From the context, one could have gotten the impression that the nice clicky keyboard for the Mac was $595, whereas it is only :-) $149. Jeff Walther --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Any replacement keyboards
On Jun 27, 11:11 am, "t...@io.com" wrote: > Al Poulin wrote: > > On Jun 25, 9:56 am, "Stephen E. Bodnar" wrote: > > But wait, under the Products tab, see their "new Matias Tactile Pro > > 2.0 keyboard." They even have models for $595. > > I don't know where you got $595. On their Tactile Pro page they list > the Black/Silver model for $149.95. The white model is discontinued. Okay, I did not say the $595 models were under the Products tab. But look at their home page, about half way down. There are three models at that price. http://matias.ca/products/index.php Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Any replacement keyboards
Al Poulin wrote: > On Jun 25, 9:56 am, "Stephen E. Bodnar" wrote: > > > I'm typing this now on a Tactile Pro 2.0 > > keyboard, which is Mac-centric, but very "clicky". Also pricey, and I > > guess they don't make it any more. > > That was made by Matias. They now feature a Mac compatible unit at a > much lower price. > http://www.matias.ca/usb2keyboard/index.php# That isn't their "tactile" model, but it is very nice. I have three of them in the house, but I got mine when Staples was running the keyboard/mouse combo for under $20. The USB 2.0 dock in the center of the keyboard is a nice feature, but, of course, you must have a USB 2.0 port to connect it to. The keyboard has two USB plugs, one for the keyboard and mouse--USB 1, and one for the dock, USB 2. > But wait, under the Products tab, see their "new Matias Tactile Pro > 2.0 keyboard." They even have models for $595. I don't know where you got $595. On their Tactile Pro page they list the Black/Silver model for $149.95. The white model is discontinued. Jeff Walther --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Any replacement keyboards
On Jun 27, 2:53 am, "James E. Therrault" wrote: > > Another option that gets you the old-time Apple quality is to actually > > get an old Apple Extended Keyboard and connect it via a Griffin > > Technologies iMate ADB-to-USB adapter. I haven't tried it, but some > > say it works -- can I get a witness? > I have been doing exactly this for years - works great! G. D. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Any replacement keyboards
G'day all Thanks for the feedback, listers. My daughter Tracey has agreed to try the Apple keyboard for a while to see if she will grow to like it, otherwise she can revert to her existing Microsoft PC keyboard (re-mapped). I know how to install the eject icon in the menu bar, so lack of an eject key won't be a problem. I checked the Mathias site, but they want US$40 just to ship overseas. If the PC keyboard proves a hassle, I'll consider it though. I can't find an Aussie shop that sells them; I think the Aluminium Apple Keyboard is proving too popular to warrant stocking alternatives. Regards Santa --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Any replacement keyboards
tonycd wrote: > Personally, I love the "clicky" feel. I'm typing this on a Matias > Tactile Pro (an original, not a 2 -- these are REALLY unavailable > now). > > Another option that gets you the old-time Apple quality is to actually > get an old Apple Extended Keyboard and connect it via a Griffin > Technologies iMate ADB-to-USB adapter. I haven't tried it, but some > say it works -- can I get a witness? Well, I've got a Matias now because the iMate wasn't officially supported above 10.3 and it had some serious "sleep" issues. I'd usually have to unplug my Quicksilver form the wall if it went to sleep with the iMate and Apple Extended II keyboard attached. Sure was nice for typing though! The Matias website lists my Tactile Pro 2.0 for Mac (White) as "SOLD OUT – DISCONTINUED" Stephen --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Any replacement keyboards
tonycd wrote: > Personally, I love the "clicky" feel. I'm typing this on a Matias > Tactile Pro (an original, not a 2 -- these are REALLY unavailable > now). > > Another option that gets you the old-time Apple quality is to actually > get an old Apple Extended Keyboard and connect it via a Griffin > Technologies iMate ADB-to-USB adapter. I haven't tried it, but some > say it works -- can I get a witness? > Send me the adapter and I'll try it out. I have a couple of extended keyboards on the shelf... JT --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Any replacement keyboards
On Jun 25, 5:28 am, Brian Christmas wrote: > G'day > > I'm just in the process of buying my daughter a new 24" iMac, but she > doesn't like the Apple keyboards. > > Is there a 3rd part replacement that offers the same keys, or that can > be keymapped? > > Said keyboard should be suitable for a touch typist. > > Or, should I insist she uses the aluminium keyboard until she gets > used to it? I have no idea how your daughter takes to "insistence." Do YOU use an aluminum keyboard? But she could be made aware that this old goat now loves his aluminum keyboard. It took a while. At first, I "kind-a" liked it and gave it up for an older, white keyboard that was given to me. I now use the white one on my iBook. And I put the aluminum one back on the iMac. I find that when I use the aluminum keyboard, I keep half my forearm flat on the desk. The keyboard is 8 inches/20 centimeters from the edge of the desk. That gives me the consistent positioning of the hands that I need. When I am on the white keyboard, I have to revert to the traditional floating arm approach. But I do best with the aluminum one. And I grew up with manual typewriters, and came through IBM Selectrics on the job. By the way, my sister came visiting a month ago, and she took to the aluminum keyboard like a duck to water. She had a career in business offices. Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Any replacement keyboards
On Jun 25, 9:56 am, "Stephen E. Bodnar" wrote: > I'm surprised that Dan didn't pipe up, but there are numerous articles > on the Low End Mac website about this very topic. Personally, I don't > like the newer Apple keyboards much either, I make WAY too many mistakes > no matter how hard I try! I'm typing this now on a Tactile Pro 2.0 > keyboard, which is Mac-centric, but very "clicky". Also pricey, and I > guess they don't make it any more. That was made by Matias. They now feature a Mac compatible unit at a much lower price. http://www.matias.ca/usb2keyboard/index.php# But wait, under the Products tab, see their "new Matias Tactile Pro 2.0 keyboard." They even have models for $595. Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Any replacement keyboards
Personally, I love the "clicky" feel. I'm typing this on a Matias Tactile Pro (an original, not a 2 -- these are REALLY unavailable now). Another option that gets you the old-time Apple quality is to actually get an old Apple Extended Keyboard and connect it via a Griffin Technologies iMate ADB-to-USB adapter. I haven't tried it, but some say it works -- can I get a witness? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Any replacement keyboards
On Jun 26, 2009, at 5:23 AM, Kyle Hansen wrote: > > Microsoft keyboards work with Mac's out of the box. You may miss a > few > functions but with an add on called USB overdrive ( and steermouse > for mice) > you can pretty much use anything you want. I am typing this to > you on a > Mac Pro with a Microsoft Digital Media Pro keyboard and a Logitech G-5 > Mouse. Those are both Microsludge only hardware devices. They are my > favorite devices. They are wired though. I refuse to use a non > wired HID > (human input device) because I am a "gamer." I tried the Logitech MX cordless and feel the same way. I'm back to corded and use nothing but Logitech... CODE~h4t3d --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Any replacement keyboards
On 6/25/09 11:53 PM, "Charles Lenington" Broadcast into the ether: > Brian Christmas wrote: >> G'day >> >> I'm just in the process of buying my daughter a new 24" iMac, but she >> doesn't like the Apple keyboards. Microsoft keyboards work with Mac's out of the box. You may miss a few functions but with an add on called USB overdrive ( and steermouse for mice) you can pretty much use anything you want. I am typing this to you on a Mac Pro with a Microsoft Digital Media Pro keyboard and a Logitech G-5 Mouse. Those are both Microsludge only hardware devices. They are my favorite devices. They are wired though. I refuse to use a non wired HID (human input device) because I am a "gamer." -- Kyle H. If you are in the fast lane and getting passed on the right, you are a Jerk. That lever on the left side of your steering column is for your turn signals. Heard of them before? Use them. It lets ME know what YOU want to do, thus protecting YOU. If you don't use them you are are a Triple Jerk for risking the lives of yourselves, your children, other drivers, me, my family etc. If you text while driving you will inevitably get into an accident and are a gigantic Jerk and could kill a non Jerk. Tailgaters are JerksŠunless you are in the parking lot of a sporting event (then you rock). Don't be a Jerk... Unless it Involves a BBQ and a sporting event. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Any replacement keyboards
Brian Christmas wrote: > G'day > > I'm just in the process of buying my daughter a new 24" iMac, but she > doesn't like the Apple keyboards. > > Is there a 3rd part replacement that offers the same keys, or that can > be keymapped? > > Said keyboard should be suitable for a touch typist. > > Or, should I insist she uses the aluminium keyboard until she gets > used to it? > > Regards > > Santa > check this thread at one used mac list http://groups.google.com/group/one-used-mac/browse_thread/thread/764d269d38d38cee?hl=en --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Any replacement keyboards
Brian Christmas wrote: > G'day > > I'm just in the process of buying my daughter a new 24" iMac, but she > doesn't like the Apple keyboards. > > Is there a 3rd part replacement that offers the same keys, or that can > be keymapped? > > Said keyboard should be suitable for a touch typist. > > Or, should I insist she uses the aluminium keyboard until she gets > used to it? Heh... I don't like the Apple keyboards as well and when I bought my Gigabit G4, it was the first thing I replaced. I'm not sure what options you have "down under," but certainly there must be some. What I hate most about the Apple keyboards is the close proximity of the function keys to the top row of number keys. Apple could have done better. Remember the full keyboards that Apple made back in the '80's and '90's? They were great! JT --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Any replacement keyboards
On Jun 25, 2009, at 9:56 AM, Stephen E. Bodnar wrote: > > Brian Christmas wrote: >> G'day >> >> I'm just in the process of buying my daughter a new 24" iMac, but she >> doesn't like the Apple keyboards. >> >> Is there a 3rd part replacement that offers the same keys, or that >> can >> be keymapped? >> >> Said keyboard should be suitable for a touch typist. >> >> Or, should I insist she uses the aluminium keyboard until she gets >> used to it? >> >> Regards >> >> Santa Logitech KBs look similar and are the regular bouncey type ... I have nice wireless one. I think it offers key mapping (although its manually input) If you're giving the AL away, I'd be happy to give it a home ... I need another one for my Yikes! Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Any replacement keyboards
Brian Christmas wrote: > G'day > > I'm just in the process of buying my daughter a new 24" iMac, but she > doesn't like the Apple keyboards. > > Is there a 3rd part replacement that offers the same keys, or that can > be keymapped? > > Said keyboard should be suitable for a touch typist. > > Or, should I insist she uses the aluminium keyboard until she gets > used to it? > > Regards > > Santa I'm surprised that Dan didn't pipe up, but there are numerous articles on the Low End Mac website about this very topic. Personally, I don't like the newer Apple keyboards much either, I make WAY too many mistakes no matter how hard I try! I'm typing this now on a Tactile Pro 2.0 keyboard, which is Mac-centric, but very "clicky". Also pricey, and I guess they don't make it any more. Stephen --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Any replacement keyboards
On 25/06/2009, at 9:28 PM, Brian Christmas wrote: > Is there a 3rd part replacement that offers the same keys, or that can > be keymapped? Good day Brian, There is an option in System Preferences in OSX 10.4+ to change the modifier keys. This will allow you to change your 'alt' key on a normal PC keyboard to 'cmd', therefore, the keys would be in the same place as in an Apple keyboard. Any keyboard that is USB should work on OSX. Function/media etc keys on the keyboard however may not work. I don't see why she does not like the Apple keyboard. To save money and the environment, you should not take the car out to get a new keyboard, but tell her to stay at home and get used to the Aluminum Apple keyboard which is flawless :) Thanks, Po-en Tsai -- iMac G3 Indigo 350 MHz, running OSX 10.4, 10.3 and OS 9.2.2, 80gb HDD with 768MB ram. Quite speedy. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Any replacement keyboards
G'day I'm just in the process of buying my daughter a new 24" iMac, but she doesn't like the Apple keyboards. Is there a 3rd part replacement that offers the same keys, or that can be keymapped? Said keyboard should be suitable for a touch typist. Or, should I insist she uses the aluminium keyboard until she gets used to it? Regards Santa --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: B&W with new Tiger won't recognize keyboards
I did a search for the Keyboard Assistantlocated it.and found it a new home in the TRASH. I continued to use the Mac for a few days before emptying the trash. Cheap insurance. >How did you disable it, Lawrence? > > >On Mar 15, 8:44 am, Lawrence David Eden wrote: >> I know this tune all too well, having just played it recently... >> >> I finally disabled the "Keyboard Assistant" that came with Tiger. I >> got tired of being nagged by the Assistant and I noticed that my >> keyboard was functioning properly. This is one of those cases where >> I don't understand what the problem is on Apple's side, but choose to >> ignore it and go about my business as usual. >> I might add that this same issue came up on my wife's iMac G5 after >> doing a low level reset. The G5 did not recognize its own >> keyboardbut it worked just fine. >> >> >tonycd wrote: >> >> Just installed Tiger on a new blank hard drive in a B&W, then >> >> transplanted the drive into another B&W. (Long story. You don't wanna >> >> know.) >> >> >> The computer booted up perfectly. When the "Initialize Your >> >> Keyboard" (or whatever the window's called) popped up, though, it >> >> "doinked" that it didn't acknowledge the key I struck when instructed >> >> to hit the key to the right of the left-hand Shift key. >> >> >Did you try hitting any other keys. >> >> >Is this USB keyboard a non-Apple keyboard? >> >> >> I connected the ADB Mac Extended Keyboard II and its ADB mouse that >> >> this machine will ultimately be using (without disconnecting the other >> >> -- duh!). Same thing. Recognized the error, disconnected the USB >> >> devices, restarted. Same result. >> >> >> The dialog box always gives the same error message: "You're hitting >> >> the build-in (sic) keyboard. Use your external keyboard." >> >> >> This edition of Tiger came on CD's. I ordered it from the Internets. >> >> The disks say "CPU Drop-In." I'm not aware of ANY recent-vintage Apple >> >> with a built-in keyboard. What gives? >> >> >Uhm, every laptop has a built-in keyboard... >> >> >For whatever reason it sounds like it thinks you have a laptop, or at >> >least a laptop keyboard. >> >> >Are you plugging in the USB keyboard to the built in USB ports? >> >> >-- >> >Clark Martin >> >Redwood City, CA, USA >> >Macintosh / Internet Consulting >> >> >"I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway" > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: B&W with new Tiger won't recognize keyboards
How did you disable it, Lawrence? On Mar 15, 8:44 am, Lawrence David Eden wrote: > I know this tune all too well, having just played it recently... > > I finally disabled the "Keyboard Assistant" that came with Tiger. I > got tired of being nagged by the Assistant and I noticed that my > keyboard was functioning properly. This is one of those cases where > I don't understand what the problem is on Apple's side, but choose to > ignore it and go about my business as usual. > I might add that this same issue came up on my wife's iMac G5 after > doing a low level reset. The G5 did not recognize its own > keyboardbut it worked just fine. > > >tonycd wrote: > >> Just installed Tiger on a new blank hard drive in a B&W, then > >> transplanted the drive into another B&W. (Long story. You don't wanna > >> know.) > > >> The computer booted up perfectly. When the "Initialize Your > >> Keyboard" (or whatever the window's called) popped up, though, it > >> "doinked" that it didn't acknowledge the key I struck when instructed > >> to hit the key to the right of the left-hand Shift key. > > >Did you try hitting any other keys. > > >Is this USB keyboard a non-Apple keyboard? > > >> I connected the ADB Mac Extended Keyboard II and its ADB mouse that > >> this machine will ultimately be using (without disconnecting the other > >> -- duh!). Same thing. Recognized the error, disconnected the USB > >> devices, restarted. Same result. > > >> The dialog box always gives the same error message: "You're hitting > >> the build-in (sic) keyboard. Use your external keyboard." > > >> This edition of Tiger came on CD's. I ordered it from the Internets. > >> The disks say "CPU Drop-In." I'm not aware of ANY recent-vintage Apple > >> with a built-in keyboard. What gives? > > >Uhm, every laptop has a built-in keyboard... > > >For whatever reason it sounds like it thinks you have a laptop, or at > >least a laptop keyboard. > > >Are you plugging in the USB keyboard to the built in USB ports? > > >-- > >Clark Martin > >Redwood City, CA, USA > >Macintosh / Internet Consulting > > >"I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway" --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: B&W with new Tiger won't recognize keyboards
I know this tune all too well, having just played it recently... I finally disabled the "Keyboard Assistant" that came with Tiger. I got tired of being nagged by the Assistant and I noticed that my keyboard was functioning properly. This is one of those cases where I don't understand what the problem is on Apple's side, but choose to ignore it and go about my business as usual. I might add that this same issue came up on my wife's iMac G5 after doing a low level reset. The G5 did not recognize its own keyboardbut it worked just fine. >tonycd wrote: >> Just installed Tiger on a new blank hard drive in a B&W, then >> transplanted the drive into another B&W. (Long story. You don't wanna >> know.) >> >> The computer booted up perfectly. When the "Initialize Your >> Keyboard" (or whatever the window's called) popped up, though, it >> "doinked" that it didn't acknowledge the key I struck when instructed >> to hit the key to the right of the left-hand Shift key. > >Did you try hitting any other keys. > >Is this USB keyboard a non-Apple keyboard? > >> >> I connected the ADB Mac Extended Keyboard II and its ADB mouse that >> this machine will ultimately be using (without disconnecting the other >> -- duh!). Same thing. Recognized the error, disconnected the USB >> devices, restarted. Same result. >> >> The dialog box always gives the same error message: "You're hitting >> the build-in (sic) keyboard. Use your external keyboard." >> >> This edition of Tiger came on CD's. I ordered it from the Internets. >> The disks say "CPU Drop-In." I'm not aware of ANY recent-vintage Apple >> with a built-in keyboard. What gives? > >Uhm, every laptop has a built-in keyboard... > >For whatever reason it sounds like it thinks you have a laptop, or at >least a laptop keyboard. > >Are you plugging in the USB keyboard to the built in USB ports? > > > > > >-- >Clark Martin >Redwood City, CA, USA >Macintosh / Internet Consulting > >"I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway" > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: B&W with new Tiger won't recognize keyboards
Per your comment, I just moved the blue keyboard's USB connection from the built-in USB port to a USB port on a PCI card and restarted. No problems. Swapped it out for the ADB keyboard, restarted again, and again...no problems. On Mar 14, 5:33 pm, Clark Martin wrote: > > Thank you again for your comment about which USB port I was using, > > which apparently led me to a solution for my problem. > > Which was? I always like to hear what the fix is, I never know when I > might need it. > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: B&W with new Tiger won't recognize keyboards
tonycd wrote: > Sorry, Clark. I should have been clearer -- I was spoofing myself for > overlooking the obvious, not you. I meant to say I'd apparently > forgotten that laptops existed. Ah, that sounds better. > > Thank you again for your comment about which USB port I was using, > which apparently led me to a solution for my problem. > Which was? I always like to hear what the fix is, I never know when I might need it. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting "I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway" --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: B&W with new Tiger won't recognize keyboards
Sorry, Clark. I should have been clearer -- I was spoofing myself for overlooking the obvious, not you. I meant to say I'd apparently forgotten that laptops existed. Thank you again for your comment about which USB port I was using, which apparently led me to a solution for my problem. On Mar 14, 3:10 pm, Clark Martin wrote: > tonycd wrote: > > Okay, that "what's a laptop?" comment was really really stupid. (Can > > you tell I don't like typing on laptops?) > > What "what's a laptop??" comment. IF you're going to accuse me of > something stupid make sure I DID. I was quite serious. If you don't > want any help then don't ask. > > > > > > > The keyboard is an original Apple blue & white. > > > It is, or at least was, plugged into the built-in USB ports. > > > Per your comment, I just moved the blue keyboard's USB connection to a > > PCI card and restarted. No problems. Swapped it out for the ADB, > > restarted again, and again...no problems. > > > Hope it's all behind me now. > > > Thanks, > > Tony > > > On Mar 14, 2:26 pm, Clark Martin wrote: > >> tonycd wrote: > >>> Just installed Tiger on a new blank hard drive in a B&W, then > >>> transplanted the drive into another B&W. (Long story. You don't wanna > >>> know.) > >>> The computer booted up perfectly. When the "Initialize Your > >>> Keyboard" (or whatever the window's called) popped up, though, it > >>> "doinked" that it didn't acknowledge the key I struck when instructed > >>> to hit the key to the right of the left-hand Shift key. > >> Did you try hitting any other keys. > > >> Is this USB keyboard a non-Apple keyboard? > > >>> I connected the ADB Mac Extended Keyboard II and its ADB mouse that > >>> this machine will ultimately be using (without disconnecting the other > >>> -- duh!). Same thing. Recognized the error, disconnected the USB > >>> devices, restarted. Same result. > >>> The dialog box always gives the same error message: "You're hitting > >>> the build-in (sic) keyboard. Use your external keyboard." > >>> This edition of Tiger came on CD's. I ordered it from the Internets. > >>> The disks say "CPU Drop-In." I'm not aware of ANY recent-vintage Apple > >>> with a built-in keyboard. What gives? > >> Uhm, every laptop has a built-in keyboard... > > >> For whatever reason it sounds like it thinks you have a laptop, or at > >> least a laptop keyboard. > > >> Are you plugging in the USB keyboard to the built in USB ports? > > -- > Clark Martin > Redwood City, CA, USA > Macintosh / Internet Consulting > > "I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway" --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: B&W with new Tiger won't recognize keyboards
tonycd wrote: > Okay, that "what's a laptop?" comment was really really stupid. (Can > you tell I don't like typing on laptops?) What "what's a laptop??" comment. IF you're going to accuse me of something stupid make sure I DID. I was quite serious. If you don't want any help then don't ask. > > The keyboard is an original Apple blue & white. > > It is, or at least was, plugged into the built-in USB ports. > > Per your comment, I just moved the blue keyboard's USB connection to a > PCI card and restarted. No problems. Swapped it out for the ADB, > restarted again, and again...no problems. > > Hope it's all behind me now. > > Thanks, > Tony > > > On Mar 14, 2:26 pm, Clark Martin wrote: >> tonycd wrote: >>> Just installed Tiger on a new blank hard drive in a B&W, then >>> transplanted the drive into another B&W. (Long story. You don't wanna >>> know.) >>> The computer booted up perfectly. When the "Initialize Your >>> Keyboard" (or whatever the window's called) popped up, though, it >>> "doinked" that it didn't acknowledge the key I struck when instructed >>> to hit the key to the right of the left-hand Shift key. >> Did you try hitting any other keys. >> >> Is this USB keyboard a non-Apple keyboard? >> >> >> >>> I connected the ADB Mac Extended Keyboard II and its ADB mouse that >>> this machine will ultimately be using (without disconnecting the other >>> -- duh!). Same thing. Recognized the error, disconnected the USB >>> devices, restarted. Same result. >>> The dialog box always gives the same error message: "You're hitting >>> the build-in (sic) keyboard. Use your external keyboard." >>> This edition of Tiger came on CD's. I ordered it from the Internets. >>> The disks say "CPU Drop-In." I'm not aware of ANY recent-vintage Apple >>> with a built-in keyboard. What gives? >> Uhm, every laptop has a built-in keyboard... >> >> For whatever reason it sounds like it thinks you have a laptop, or at >> least a laptop keyboard. >> >> Are you plugging in the USB keyboard to the built in USB ports? -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting "I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway" --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: B&W with new Tiger won't recognize keyboards
Okay, that "what's a laptop?" comment was really really stupid. (Can you tell I don't like typing on laptops?) The keyboard is an original Apple blue & white. It is, or at least was, plugged into the built-in USB ports. Per your comment, I just moved the blue keyboard's USB connection to a PCI card and restarted. No problems. Swapped it out for the ADB, restarted again, and again...no problems. Hope it's all behind me now. Thanks, Tony On Mar 14, 2:26 pm, Clark Martin wrote: > tonycd wrote: > > Just installed Tiger on a new blank hard drive in a B&W, then > > transplanted the drive into another B&W. (Long story. You don't wanna > > know.) > > > The computer booted up perfectly. When the "Initialize Your > > Keyboard" (or whatever the window's called) popped up, though, it > > "doinked" that it didn't acknowledge the key I struck when instructed > > to hit the key to the right of the left-hand Shift key. > > Did you try hitting any other keys. > > Is this USB keyboard a non-Apple keyboard? > > > > > I connected the ADB Mac Extended Keyboard II and its ADB mouse that > > this machine will ultimately be using (without disconnecting the other > > -- duh!). Same thing. Recognized the error, disconnected the USB > > devices, restarted. Same result. > > > The dialog box always gives the same error message: "You're hitting > > the build-in (sic) keyboard. Use your external keyboard." > > > This edition of Tiger came on CD's. I ordered it from the Internets. > > The disks say "CPU Drop-In." I'm not aware of ANY recent-vintage Apple > > with a built-in keyboard. What gives? > > Uhm, every laptop has a built-in keyboard... > > For whatever reason it sounds like it thinks you have a laptop, or at > least a laptop keyboard. > > Are you plugging in the USB keyboard to the built in USB ports? > > -- > Clark Martin > Redwood City, CA, USA > Macintosh / Internet Consulting > > "I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway" --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: B&W with new Tiger won't recognize keyboards
tonycd wrote: > Just installed Tiger on a new blank hard drive in a B&W, then > transplanted the drive into another B&W. (Long story. You don't wanna > know.) > > The computer booted up perfectly. When the "Initialize Your > Keyboard" (or whatever the window's called) popped up, though, it > "doinked" that it didn't acknowledge the key I struck when instructed > to hit the key to the right of the left-hand Shift key. Did you try hitting any other keys. Is this USB keyboard a non-Apple keyboard? > > I connected the ADB Mac Extended Keyboard II and its ADB mouse that > this machine will ultimately be using (without disconnecting the other > -- duh!). Same thing. Recognized the error, disconnected the USB > devices, restarted. Same result. > > The dialog box always gives the same error message: "You're hitting > the build-in (sic) keyboard. Use your external keyboard." > > This edition of Tiger came on CD's. I ordered it from the Internets. > The disks say "CPU Drop-In." I'm not aware of ANY recent-vintage Apple > with a built-in keyboard. What gives? Uhm, every laptop has a built-in keyboard... For whatever reason it sounds like it thinks you have a laptop, or at least a laptop keyboard. Are you plugging in the USB keyboard to the built in USB ports? -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting "I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway" --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
B&W with new Tiger won't recognize keyboards
Just installed Tiger on a new blank hard drive in a B&W, then transplanted the drive into another B&W. (Long story. You don't wanna know.) The computer booted up perfectly. When the "Initialize Your Keyboard" (or whatever the window's called) popped up, though, it "doinked" that it didn't acknowledge the key I struck when instructed to hit the key to the right of the left-hand Shift key. I connected the ADB Mac Extended Keyboard II and its ADB mouse that this machine will ultimately be using (without disconnecting the other -- duh!). Same thing. Recognized the error, disconnected the USB devices, restarted. Same result. The dialog box always gives the same error message: "You're hitting the build-in (sic) keyboard. Use your external keyboard." This edition of Tiger came on CD's. I ordered it from the Internets. The disks say "CPU Drop-In." I'm not aware of ANY recent-vintage Apple with a built-in keyboard. What gives? Thanks as always, Tony --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: New Aluminium Keyboards
Brian Durant wrote: > I have experienced this on my G5 as well, but there was a firmware > update a while ago that took care of this issue. It only crops up > these days if I need to reinstall the system. > > Go for it :-) > > On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 5:52 PM, Bruce Johnson > mailto:john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu>> > wrote: > > > > On Dec 21, 2008, at 9:23 AM, Ted Treen wrote: > > > > > However, I have heard (can't recall where) that if they're used with > > systems that they were not the original equipment for, the modifiers > > at > > bootup don't work, and there were other problems. > > > > Maybe here, I mentioned it a while back. > > > Anyone any first-hand experience, or know the facts? > > > I have one on my Intel iMac at work (1st gen) and my upgraded GigE at > home, and neither of them recognize the keys at startup. > > I have several old Mac keyboards laying about at work and one at home. > I just plug the old keyboard into the new one if I need to start in > safe mode. > > Makes recovery from problem a bit of a hassle, but otherwise I really > like the new keyboards. > > -- > Bruce Johnson > U of Az College of Pharmacy > Information Technology Group > Institutions don't have opinions, merely customs > > > Thanks Bruce & Brian. Guess it wouldn't harm to borrow one from a MacPro at work, and try it on my work G5 dual 2.5. They're Jan 08 keyboards - I'll see if they require a F/W update first. Will report back. Cheers, Ted --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: New Aluminium Keyboards
I have experienced this on my G5 as well, but there was a firmware update a while ago that took care of this issue. It only crops up these days if I need to reinstall the system. Go for it :-) On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 5:52 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: > > > On Dec 21, 2008, at 9:23 AM, Ted Treen wrote: > > > > > However, I have heard (can't recall where) that if they're used with > > systems that they were not the original equipment for, the modifiers > > at > > bootup don't work, and there were other problems. > > > > Maybe here, I mentioned it a while back. > > > Anyone any first-hand experience, or know the facts? > > > I have one on my Intel iMac at work (1st gen) and my upgraded GigE at > home, and neither of them recognize the keys at startup. > > I have several old Mac keyboards laying about at work and one at home. > I just plug the old keyboard into the new one if I need to start in > safe mode. > > Makes recovery from problem a bit of a hassle, but otherwise I really > like the new keyboards. > > -- > Bruce Johnson > U of Az College of Pharmacy > Information Technology Group > Institutions don't have opinions, merely customs > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: New Aluminium Keyboards
On Dec 21, 2008, at 9:23 AM, Ted Treen wrote: > > However, I have heard (can't recall where) that if they're used with > systems that they were not the original equipment for, the modifiers > at > bootup don't work, and there were other problems. > Maybe here, I mentioned it a while back. > Anyone any first-hand experience, or know the facts? I have one on my Intel iMac at work (1st gen) and my upgraded GigE at home, and neither of them recognize the keys at startup. I have several old Mac keyboards laying about at work and one at home. I just plug the old keyboard into the new one if I need to start in safe mode. Makes recovery from problem a bit of a hassle, but otherwise I really like the new keyboards. -- Bruce Johnson U of Az College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions don't have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
New Aluminium Keyboards
Hi All, Ihave been considering one of these to go with my new (to me) G5. I use one occasionally at work on a MacPro and rather like them. However, I have heard (can't recall where) that if they're used with systems that they were not the original equipment for, the modifiers at bootup don't work, and there were other problems. Anyone any first-hand experience, or know the facts? Thanks Ted --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Keyboards
On Oct 12, 2008, at 10:04 AM, Dennis Myhand wrote: > > Rick King wrote: >> Why is it that Mac stopped making decent keyboards and now sell utter >> crap? I just got done taking a hammer to yet another one of these >> worthless usb abortions Mac switched to. In the last year I have >> gone through at least 6. They just quit working. I worked with that >> one for some time. It started typing two's all by itself so I >> flipped it upside down and beat on it to make that stop. Then it >> starts in on 0's. Then the caps lock key quits and half the letters >> go. I unplug it, plug it back in. Reboot the whole machine. Even >> turning it upside down and pounding on the damn thing only does so >> much. >> > > I would suggest a cleaning method somewhat more gentle than beating > the > crap out of it. No wonder the damn things quit working for you. > If you > did that to me, I wouldn't work for you either. I prefer an Kurtzmann acoustic piano KB over my weighted-hammer action yamaha motif es8 KB, partly, because its a percussion instrument ... actual hammers and strings and all. Maybe a drum set would satisfy part of the frustration ... save the USB KBs for something more word-like and poetic ... I do agree, though, they are a bit flimsy feeling ... Ditto: If you did that to me, I wouldn't work for you either. Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Keyboards
At 2:28 AM -0700 10/12/08, Rick King posted: > Why is it that Mac stopped making decent keyboards and now sell utter > crap? I just got done taking a hammer to yet another one of these > worthless usb abortions Mac switched to. In the last year I have > gone through at least 6. They just quit working. I worked with that > one for some time. It started typing two's all by itself so I > flipped it upside down and beat on it to make that stop. Then it > starts in on 0's. Then the caps lock key quits and half the letters > go. I unplug it, plug it back in. Reboot the whole machine. Rick, I feel your pain and your frustration. I quit using Apple keyboards when they went USB. The feel wasn't right for typing, not like the basic ADB keyboard on my P475. I bought a Macally USB to replace the Apple one that came with the iMac 350. When I got the iMac 500 and was using both computers, I got used to unplugging/plugging because even their updated KB felt like crap. When I bought the G5 used, it came with a white keyboard that just doesn't work for me -- the key action is crap compared to the Macally. So whenever I need to work on any of the three, the Macally comes with me. I take the board apart several times a year to wash it down with a toothbrush. Keeps on tickin' Take a lickin' -- until this latest 10.5 Security Update when the keys started repeating and not stopping. I end up crawling under the desk to unplug it. I thought it might be age, dirt, contacts -- cleaned and checked. Still it sporadically repeats the number keys. It's probably time for a new keyboard, because I won't be using any of the 3 USBs I have sitting on shelves in case I sell or give away the older computers. Out of curiosity, did you start out typing on a typewriter? I started with manuals, advanced to electric and believe the reason I like the ADBs and the Macally is because their key action feels more natural to me. Steve R -- Reopen NAFTA. Reclaim our sovereignty. <http://www.straightgoods.ca/ViewFeature8.cfm?REF=333> --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Keyboards
Rick King wrote: > Why is it that Mac stopped making decent keyboards and now sell utter > crap? I just got done taking a hammer to yet another one of these > worthless usb abortions Mac switched to. In the last year I have > gone through at least 6. They just quit working. I worked with that > one for some time. It started typing two's all by itself so I > flipped it upside down and beat on it to make that stop. Then it > starts in on 0's. Then the caps lock key quits and half the letters > go. I unplug it, plug it back in. Reboot the whole machine. Even > turning it upside down and pounding on the damn thing only does so > much. > I would suggest a cleaning method somewhat more gentle than beating the crap out of it. No wonder the damn things quit working for you. If you did that to me, I wouldn't work for you either. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Keyboards
On Oct 12, 2008, at 4:28 AM, Rick King wrote: > Why is it that Mac stopped making decent keyboards and now sell utter > crap? I just got done taking a hammer to yet another one of these > worthless usb abortions Mac switched to. In the last year I have > gone through at least 6. They just quit working. I worked with that > one for some time. It started typing two's all by itself so I > flipped it upside down and beat on it to make that stop. Then it > starts in on 0's. Then the caps lock key quits and half the letters > go. I unplug it, plug it back in. Reboot the whole machine. Even > turning it upside down and pounding on the damn thing only does so > much. Why did they ever stop making those nice ADB keyboards? Or a > much better question would be why did the cheap bastards do away > with the ADB port so they could save a buck a unit? I would have > thought Apple would be above such Intel-like behavior. Intel hacked > the cache in a P3 to save a buck and called it a Celeron. Winmodem > riser cards. The list goes on. Everytime I sit in front of a Mac > anymore and have to look at one of those USB keyboards it just pisses > me off. Is there some way I can cheaply get a trusty old extended > keyboard to work on this miserable usb interface? Most adapters I > have seen cost 50 or more. I am this close to taking a hammer to the > whole thing. My first Apple USB keyboard, a clear, extended Pro model, came from a dumpster at a nearby university. From the stickiness of the keys it seemed obvious that a sugary soda was spilled or perhaps purposefully poured into the keyboard? I found disassembly instructions with photos on the web, and I spent four hours disassembling the entire keyboard. It was difficult, I think there were at least 40 screws, and all the separate keys, etc. The contacts are gold, and there are those standard urethane rubber sheets that make the electronic connection beneath the keys. Two or three of the contacts had corrosion on the gold. I had no conductive trace paint to repair it. I just cleaned it really good, and hoped what was remaining of the gold would be enough. That was about 5 years ago. I use the keyboard every day without any issues at all. I was expecting it to fail at any moment, and so far, not a single problem. I'm typing on it now. I'd suggest not man-handling your keyboards so much. I've never banged on mine, or done anything harsh to it. If it started auto-repeating 2's or whatever, I'd get another keyboard to use. Going through six keyboards in one year surely must place you about six standard deviations from the mean. I will agree that the ADB keyboards are bombproof and probably better. A quick search of eBay for "ADB USB adapter" under "Completed Items" shows that the cheapest one sold for $16.76 shipped, five sold for under $20 shipped, and seven more for under $30 shipped. Several in the $25 range shipped were "Buy It Now" for new items. Place a search with email notification and you'll know instantly when another becomes available. If you adore the ADB keyboard, buy an adapter. With a dozen selling for less than $30 in the past month, it shouldn't take you long to snag one cheaply enough. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Keyboards
Rick I have never had a problem with MAc keyboards and always found them to be of excellent build quality. I prefer the black ones that came with the iMac G3 (I have a DV model) over the white ones that came with the G4 range (like my eMac G4). The ones that come with the early Intel machines are pretty good. All of great build quality, although the black ones are much better and I am using one right now as I like it so much. There laptop keyboards of pretty top notch too. I have always found the PowerBook (pre-Aluminium) and iBooks (pre-G3) to be of excellent standard. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. On Oct 12 2008, Rick King wrote: Why is it that Mac stopped making decent keyboards and now sell utter crap? I just got done taking a hammer to yet another one of these worthless usb abortions Mac switched to. In the last year I have gone through at least 6. They just quit working. I worked with that one for some time. It started typing two's all by itself so I flipped it upside down and beat on it to make that stop. Then it starts in on 0's. Then the caps lock key quits and half the letters go. I unplug it, plug it back in. Reboot the whole machine. Even turning it upside down and pounding on the damn thing only does so much. Why did they ever stop making those nice ADB keyboards? Or a much better question would be why did the cheap bastards do away with the ADB port so they could save a buck a unit? I would have thought Apple would be above such Intel-like behavior. Intel hacked the cache in a P3 to save a buck and called it a Celeron. Winmodem riser cards. The list goes on. Everytime I sit in front of a Mac anymore and have to look at one of those USB keyboards it just pisses me off. Is there some way I can cheaply get a trusty old extended keyboard to work on this miserable usb interface? Most adapters I have seen cost 50 or more. I am this close to taking a hammer to the whole thing. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Keyboards
Why is it that Mac stopped making decent keyboards and now sell utter crap? I just got done taking a hammer to yet another one of these worthless usb abortions Mac switched to. In the last year I have gone through at least 6. They just quit working. I worked with that one for some time. It started typing two's all by itself so I flipped it upside down and beat on it to make that stop. Then it starts in on 0's. Then the caps lock key quits and half the letters go. I unplug it, plug it back in. Reboot the whole machine. Even turning it upside down and pounding on the damn thing only does so much. Why did they ever stop making those nice ADB keyboards? Or a much better question would be why did the cheap bastards do away with the ADB port so they could save a buck a unit? I would have thought Apple would be above such Intel-like behavior. Intel hacked the cache in a P3 to save a buck and called it a Celeron. Winmodem riser cards. The list goes on. Everytime I sit in front of a Mac anymore and have to look at one of those USB keyboards it just pisses me off. Is there some way I can cheaply get a trusty old extended keyboard to work on this miserable usb interface? Most adapters I have seen cost 50 or more. I am this close to taking a hammer to the whole thing. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
