Re: Midi interfaces. Was: Question about USB ports?
On 10/28/09 1:07 PM, John Niven of sense...@yahoo.com sent --- On Tue, 10/27/09, Dana Collins dlcatft...@verizon.net wrote: Atari 1040ST - yumm! I remember seeing one of them handling Master-Tracks Pro (I think that was it) which was available only for Atari and Mac. Yes my first real computer was a 1040STe. It had built in midi ports. At the time I was interested in home computers but couldn't see the application. Then I bought a Yamaha QY10 synth/sequencer and there was a program available for the Atari which stored the memory contents of the QY10 (via the midi ports). So I bought one. In the UK this was much cheaper than a Mac. I still have the QY10 :-) Like Bill, my home unit has an M-Audio 2496 (so I can run an M-Powered version of ProTools). My Xserve G4 won't sleep with it in. Do you have the same problem? I tried ProTools but, creatively, I didn't like it. I had it in a Dual G4 450MHz AGP with an Audiomedia 3 pci card. I had to run a version of Panther to make it work, no updates possible. I really like Ableton Live (I have version 7) and it runs on both Macs and PC's. I'll update the list when I get my M-Audio 1814 firewire box! Cheers, John Hi John, Thanks for the responses. My G4 (DA) also had some sleep issues re: the M-Audio 2496, but I attributed that to the upgraded processor (1.5GHz) that was also part of the mix. My fix was to move up to a 1.6GHz G5. A QY10? Working? *drool* my oldest unit in the mix is an ElectroComp 220, where you still get to physically patch signal paths through the synth components. I (personally) regard ProTools and Live as really different animals (in spite of how much PT keeps trying to improve their MIDI component), and use PT for specifically multi-track audio projects. Live is a fabulous DAW, though I am a DP person myself. Anyway, cheers, and best regards to all, Dana --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Midi interfaces. Was: Question about USB ports?
On Oct 30, 2009, at 8:11 AM, Dana Collins wrote: Hi John, Thanks for the responses. My G4 (DA) also had some sleep issues re: the M-Audio 2496, but I attributed that to the upgraded processor (1.5GHz) that was also part of the mix. My fix was to move up to a 1.6GHz G5. I just changed mobos in my lightening challenged QS 2002 Dual 1GHz ... lol ... after: http://forums.m-audio.com/showthread.php?t=3856page=6 lol (NOT) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Midi interfaces. Was: Question about USB ports?
--- On Tue, 10/27/09, Dana Collins dlcatft...@verizon.net wrote: Atari 1040ST - yumm! I remember seeing one of them handling Master-Tracks Pro (I think that was it) which was available only for Atari and Mac. Yes my first real computer was a 1040STe. It had built in midi ports. At the time I was interested in home computers but couldn't see the application. Then I bought a Yamaha QY10 synth/sequencer and there was a program available for the Atari which stored the memory contents of the QY10 (via the midi ports). So I bought one. In the UK this was much cheaper than a Mac. I still have the QY10 :-) Like Bill, my home unit has an M-Audio 2496 (so I can run an M-Powered version of ProTools). My Xserve G4 won't sleep with it in. Do you have the same problem? I tried ProTools but, creatively, I didn't like it. I had it in a Dual G4 450MHz AGP with an Audiomedia 3 pci card. I had to run a version of Panther to make it work, no updates possible. I really like Ableton Live (I have version 7) and it runs on both Macs and PC's. I'll update the list when I get my M-Audio 1814 firewire box! Cheers, John --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Midi interfaces. Was: Question about USB ports?
On Oct 28, 2009, at 1:07 PM, John Niven wrote: --- On Tue, 10/27/09, Dana Collins dlcatft...@verizon.net wrote: Like Bill, my home unit has an M-Audio 2496 (so I can run an M-Powered version of ProTools). My Xserve G4 won't sleep with it in. Do you have the same problem? Same issue here ... M-Audio admits the Delta 2496 does not support Sleep Mode in OS X. I tried ProTools but, creatively, I didn't like it. I had it in a Dual G4 450MHz AGP with an Audiomedia 3 pci card. I had to run a version of Panther to make it work, no updates possible. I really like Ableton Live (I have version 7) and it runs on both Macs and PC's. I'm using Live 6 ... nice, although I don't exercise all its options. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Midi interfaces. Was: Question about USB ports?
--- On Sat, 10/24/09, Dana Collins dlcatft...@verizon.net wrote: On 10/24/09 11:57 AM, Geoff Black of bla...@telkomsa.net For what its worth, PreSonus and M-Audio are your best bets for a small FW interface, Thanks Geoff and Dana. There was some confusion. My basic problem is that my 876MHz G4 12 PB only has 1.1 USB built in, but does have a FireWire 400 port. I think it came just at the point when faster USB was becoming available. That's why I wanted a FW midi interface. Anyway I've bought an M-Audio 1814 FireWire Audio/MIDI Interface from eBay. I'll see how that works out. I like this idea because the new(ish) 13 MacBook Pro (Unibody) also has a FireWire 800 port and I would love this to be my next portable upgrade purchase. Meanwhile I'll see what my trusty G4 12 can still do :-) John PS I'm surprised that there are not more music makers on this list. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Midi interfaces. Was: Question about USB ports?
Hi John, Could you let us know how you get on with that interface? I've been looking at them on and off for a while but haven't made a decision on anything yet Cheers Mike On 27 Oct 2009, at 14:06, John Niven sense...@yahoo.com wrote: --- On Sat, 10/24/09, Dana Collins dlcatft...@verizon.net wrote: On 10/24/09 11:57 AM, Geoff Black of bla...@telkomsa.net For what its worth, PreSonus and M-Audio are your best bets for a small FW interface, Thanks Geoff and Dana. There was some confusion. My basic problem is that my 876MHz G4 12 PB only has 1.1 USB built in, but does have a FireWire 400 port. I think it came just at the point when faster USB was becoming available. That's why I wanted a FW midi interface. Anyway I've bought an M-Audio 1814 FireWire Audio/MIDI Interface from eBay. I'll see how that works out. I like this idea because the new(ish) 13 MacBook Pro (Unibody) also has a FireWire 800 port and I would love this to be my next portable upgrade purchase. Meanwhile I'll see what my trusty G4 12 can still do :-) John PS I'm surprised that there are not more music makers on this list. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Midi interfaces. Was: Question about USB ports?
On Oct 27, 2009, at 10:06 AM, John Niven wrote: PS I'm surprised that there are not more music makers on this list. Well, I use an M-Audio 2496 Delta Audiophile PCI card, but its in a Quicksilver 2002 Dual 1GHz under 10.5.8 ... and really just started to work after replacing my mobo (didn't realize it was damaged (actually an eBay purchase a few years ago), until further damage occurred with lightening). Along with my Yamaha motif es8, I decided to use the USB/MIDI interface, and not the cards MIDI port. Just use the card for audio In/ Out along with a Mackie 1402 VLZ-Pro mixer, so I can manipulate ports: I can mix the softwares Sibelius Ableton Live, and hardwares yamaha KB stereo mic input. Haven't had issues with latency. Its USB 1.1 and seems to be fast enough for the MIDI/USB. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Midi interfaces. Was: Question about USB ports?
--- On Tue, 10/27/09, Bill Connelly billycarm...@verizon.net wrote: Well, I use an M-Audio 2496 Delta Audiophile PCI card, but its in a Quicksilver 2002 Dual 1GHz under 10.5.8 ... Actually This is the kind of feedback I was looking for. I do have the same PCI card (got cheaply from local Craigslist) and I was using it in a G4 Xserve (dual 1.33GHz) as a soundcard. I didn't try its midi connection. But you can't put a PCI card in a PowerBook :-( and I was looking for a portable solution to playing out. So it would seem that your Motifs built-in USB port seems to work with a 1.1 USB port. That means that either my PB does have enough CPU omph or the cheap Turtle Beach midi interface I have just doesn't work very well. Hummm In either case I guess I made the right decision to go with a firewire interface. It will either work ok with my PB now or a new one latter. I will report back latter. Its USB 1.1 and seems to be fast enough for the MIDI/USB. It used to be possible to do midi on a 16MHz Atari ST!!! My PB is 54 times as fast and struggling. I think we are moving backwards! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Midi interfaces. Was: Question about USB ports?
On Oct 27, 2009, at 11:13 AM, John Niven wrote: --- On Tue, 10/27/09, Bill Connelly billycarm...@verizon.net wrote:. In either case I guess I made the right decision to go with a firewire interface. It will either work ok with my PB now or a new one latter. I will report back latter. Its USB 1.1 and seems to be fast enough for the MIDI/USB. It used to be possible to do midi on a 16MHz Atari ST!!! My PB is 54 times as fast and struggling. I think we are moving backwards! I didn't respond at first because you were doing the PB thing ... glad I could help. Curious how FW works ... I hear you can do digital audio across FW things as well? Let us hear how things work out ... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Midi interfaces. Was: Question about USB ports?
On 10/27/09 11:13 AM, John Niven of sense...@yahoo.com sent --- On Tue, 10/27/09, Bill Connelly billycarm...@verizon.net wrote: Well, I use an M-Audio 2496 Delta Audiophile PCI card, but its in a Quicksilver 2002 Dual 1GHz under 10.5.8 ... Actually This is the kind of feedback I was looking for. I do have the same PCI card (got cheaply from local Craigslist) and I was using it in a G4 Xserve (dual 1.33GHz) as a soundcard. I didn't try its midi connection. But you can't put a PCI card in a PowerBook :-( and I was looking for a portable solution to playing out. So it would seem that your Motifs built-in USB port seems to work with a 1.1 USB port. That means that either my PB does have enough CPU omph or the cheap Turtle Beach midi interface I have just doesn't work very well. Hummm In either case I guess I made the right decision to go with a firewire interface. It will either work ok with my PB now or a new one latter. I will report back latter. Its USB 1.1 and seems to be fast enough for the MIDI/USB. It used to be possible to do midi on a 16MHz Atari ST!!! My PB is 54 times as fast and struggling. I think we are moving backwards! Atari 1040ST - yumm! I remember seeing one of them handling Master-Tracks Pro (I think that was it) which was available only for Atari and Mac - me? I was stuck on a PC running Voyetra and was green with envy! Oh happy day when I finally got a (drum roll please) Performa 600 with an OpCode MIDI Translator - later I bought my first synth, a Korg X5 - it was the first synth I saw that had a serial-direct port (MIDI I/O on a single DIN-8 serial cable;-perhaps a precursor to USB connection? Like Bill, my home unit has an M-Audio 2496 (so I can run an M-Powered version of ProTools) AND also a Fastlane from MOTU, which I used predominantly to be allowed to install all the device profiles that MOTU bundles in the MIDI driver. Best regards, Dana --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Question about USB ports?
My G4 has USB 1 and I added a USB 2.0 card in one of the PCI slots. When the G4 is sleeping with a device (iPod) connected, the OS thinks that the device has been improperly removedeven though the device is still connected to the port. So my question is this: what devices benefit most from USB 2.0? I have a Kensington mouse, a MIDI interface, my computer keyboard, and a Lexmark laser printer. Thanks, Larry --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Question about USB ports?
Keyboard and mouse are probably the slowest. A printer is also pretty slow, but a faster transfer will speed things up if it has a memory buffer and you're printing multi-page documents and/or graphics. Midi would be faster. If you've got a usb drive you will want data transfers as fast as possible. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Question about USB ports?
I would have to say anything that says it is compatible with a 2.0 would work better. Now for the going to sleep part of your question, you should always eject those things before you put it to sleep... I killed a 2G USB drive because of this and lost everything I had on there... CoolKat -Original Message- From: Lawrence David Eden lde...@comcast.net Sent: Oct 24, 2009 7:52 AM To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Question about USB ports? My G4 has USB 1 and I added a USB 2.0 card in one of the PCI slots. When the G4 is sleeping with a device (iPod) connected, the OS thinks that the device has been improperly removedeven though the device is still connected to the port. So my question is this: what devices benefit most from USB 2.0? I have a Kensington mouse, a MIDI interface, my computer keyboard, and a Lexmark laser printer. Thanks, Larry --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Midi interfaces. Was: Question about USB ports?
--- On Sat, 10/24/09, Paul Kemner zkem...@gmail.com wrote: Midi would be faster. This is a timely reply, Paul. I was just going to ask a question. I'm an Ableton Live user. My studio setup is XP PC based because it was available, and I needed something that would take the 5V PCI interface card for an M-Audio Delta 1010 audio/midi interface. This all works fine and because I ONLY use XP with the one program, it doesn't get in the way. The midi timing is always perfect. But I need an additinal mobile setup. I had hoped to use my trusty 12 G4 867MHz Aluminum PowerBook, at least for just driving my midi sound modules (I'm old-school), which shouldn't take much CPU power. I bought a Turtle beach USB midi interface (One in, one out) which works but the timing goes off sporadically. I was wondering if this is because it's only a usb 1.1 interface on the PowerBook or if it was a CPU power issue, or just a bad interface. The interface just uses the built-in Apple drivers (Tiger). The shame is that the PB has a FW400 interface which would be MUCH faster so if it's just the usb speed then a FireWire midi interface would be great. But I can't find one that isn't an Audio/midi interface which is more than I need. Is anybody else doing this sort of thing? Anybody got any recommendations for a FireWire Audio/midi interface (but mainly for the midi)? I'd love to press the old PB G4 but into regular use. Cheers --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Midi interfaces. Was: Question about USB ports?
Pre Sonus make a good firewire interface for midi. Firewire 400 and SPDIF plus live instrument inputs - mixer - with 48v mic input booster. I use it on CME keyboard - works on G4 MDD and Tiger - also runs on G5 quad. Rgds Geoff b On 24 Oct 2009, at 5:15 PM, John Niven wrote: --- On Sat, 10/24/09, Paul Kemner zkem...@gmail.com wrote: Midi would be faster. This is a timely reply, Paul. I was just going to ask a question. I'm an Ableton Live user. My studio setup is XP PC based because it was available, and I needed something that would take the 5V PCI interface card for an M-Audio Delta 1010 audio/midi interface. This all works fine and because I ONLY use XP with the one program, it doesn't get in the way. The midi timing is always perfect. But I need an additinal mobile setup. I had hoped to use my trusty 12 G4 867MHz Aluminum PowerBook, at least for just driving my midi sound modules (I'm old-school), which shouldn't take much CPU power. I bought a Turtle beach USB midi interface (One in, one out) which works but the timing goes off sporadically. I was wondering if this is because it's only a usb 1.1 interface on the PowerBook or if it was a CPU power issue, or just a bad interface. The interface just uses the built-in Apple drivers (Tiger). The shame is that the PB has a FW400 interface which would be MUCH faster so if it's just the usb speed then a FireWire midi interface would be great. But I can't find one that isn't an Audio/midi interface which is more than I need. Is anybody else doing this sort of thing? Anybody got any recommendations for a FireWire Audio/midi interface (but mainly for the midi)? I'd love to press the old PB G4 but into regular use. Cheers --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Midi interfaces. Was: Question about USB ports?
On 10/24/09 11:57 AM, Geoff Black of bla...@telkomsa.net sent Pre Sonus make a good firewire interface for midi. Firewire 400 and SPDIF plus live instrument inputs - mixer - with 48v mic input booster. I use it on CME keyboard - works on G4 MDD and Tiger - also runs on G5 quad. Rgds Geoff b On 24 Oct 2009, at 5:15 PM, John Niven wrote: --- On Sat, 10/24/09, Paul Kemner zkem...@gmail.com wrote: Midi would be faster. This is a timely reply, Paul. I was just going to ask a question. I'm an Ableton Live user. My studio setup is XP PC based because it was available, and I needed something that would take the 5V PCI interface card for an M-Audio Delta 1010 audio/midi interface. This all works fine and because I ONLY use XP with the one program, it doesn't get in the way. The midi timing is always perfect. But I need an additinal mobile setup. I had hoped to use my trusty 12 G4 867MHz Aluminum PowerBook, at least for just driving my midi sound modules (I'm old-school), which shouldn't take much CPU power. I bought a Turtle beach USB midi interface (One in, one out) which works but the timing goes off sporadically. I was wondering if this is because it's only a usb 1.1 interface on the PowerBook or if it was a CPU power issue, or just a bad interface. The interface just uses the built-in Apple drivers (Tiger). The shame is that the PB has a FW400 interface which would be MUCH faster so if it's just the usb speed then a FireWire midi interface would be great. But I can't find one that isn't an Audio/midi interface which is more than I need. Is anybody else doing this sort of thing? Anybody got any recommendations for a FireWire Audio/midi interface (but mainly for the midi)? I'd love to press the old PB G4 but into regular use. Cheers, Paul For what its worth, PreSonus and M-Audio are your best bets for a small FW interface, esp. if money is an issue, and if you're hoping to match the specs of your G4 PowerBook. FireWire interfaces will (always I bet) have audio connectivity (not just MIDI) which of course ramps up the price (to $300 plus - the cheapest I could find was a PreSonus FireBox for under $200-TC Electronics makes a Desktop Konnekt 6 for the samew price - the rest are over $300). Since timing is an issue for MIDI, and you mentioned really targeting MIDI use over audio, consider just trying a USB 2.0 interface to see if you like one (they are much better than 1.1 units), and if you do, save yourself a load of cash. Just my 2¢ worth. Regards, Dana --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Question about USB ports?
Funny thing... I have an early 2005 Powermac G5 with 3 USB ports on the tower itself. Two on the rear and one on the front. Why does system profiler say that I have 4 USB Bus and 1 USB High-speed Bus? equalling 5 usb busses all together? and I thought ALL of the 3 that I do have were High-Speed Can someone explain? Thanks, Jeff --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Question about USB ports?
On Oct 23, 2009, at 11:11 AM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: Funny thing... I have an early 2005 Powermac G5 with 3 USB ports on the tower itself. Two on the rear and one on the front. Why does system profiler say that I have 4 USB Bus and 1 USB High-speed Bus? equalling 5 usb busses all together? and I thought ALL of the 3 that I do have were High-Speed Can someone explain? Thanks, Jeff Your tower has 3 usb ports. Your keyboard has 2 non powered ports on them. The other part of the question, the USB high speed bus. The best that I can figure is that it is driven by another driver in the system or is a physically different chip. Someone else that is more knowledgeable may be able to answer that part. Jason Brown --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Question about USB ports?
On Oct 23, 2009, at 9:58 AM, Jason Brown wrote: On Oct 23, 2009, at 11:11 AM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: Funny thing... I have an early 2005 Powermac G5 with 3 USB ports on the tower itself. Two on the rear and one on the front. Why does system profiler say that I have 4 USB Bus and 1 USB High-speed Bus? equalling 5 usb busses all together? and I thought ALL of the 3 that I do have were High-Speed Can someone explain? Thanks, Jeff Your tower has 3 usb ports. Your keyboard has 2 non powered ports on them. The other part of the question, the USB high speed bus. The best that I can figure is that it is driven by another driver in the system or is a physically different chip. Someone else that is more knowledgeable may be able to answer that part. Jason Brown Jason, please keep in mind that system profiler only sees those USB ports available to it. Thus, if the keyboard is NOT plugged in, you will not see those ports. So, back to the drawing table. Jeff --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Question about USB ports?
Jason, please keep in mind that system profiler only sees those USB ports available to it. Thus, if the keyboard is NOT plugged in, you will not see those ports. So, back to the drawing table. Jeff Ahhh, that is too true. I apologize for misinformation then. Jason --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Question about USB ports?
Jeffrey Engle wrote: On Oct 23, 2009, at 9:58 AM, Jason Brown wrote: On Oct 23, 2009, at 11:11 AM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: Funny thing... I have an early 2005 Powermac G5 with 3 USB ports on the tower itself. Two on the rear and one on the front. Why does system profiler say that I have 4 USB Bus and 1 USB High-speed Bus? equalling 5 usb busses all together? and I thought ALL of the 3 that I do have were High-Speed Can someone explain? Thanks, Jeff Your tower has 3 usb ports. Your keyboard has 2 non powered ports on them. The other part of the question, the USB high speed bus. The best that I can figure is that it is driven by another driver in the system or is a physically different chip. Someone else that is more knowledgeable may be able to answer that part. Jason Brown Jason, please keep in mind that system profiler only sees those USB ports available to it. Thus, if the keyboard is NOT plugged in, you will not see those ports. So, back to the drawing table. Jeff The ports on the keyboard are just that, ports, not busses. They are on the same bus as the port the keyboard is plugged into. The way the system reports busses is strange. I don't know why it does what it does but it does change the reporting of high speed busses depending on what you have plugged in. It seems to overlap the high speed and low speed busses. That is it reports 4 low and 1 high but that high is really the same as one of the low speed. I tried to figure it out once on my iBook and just found more confusion. There is a USB diagnostic tool, part of XCode, that is more detailed and technical but less confusing once you get past the details. IIRC when I looked with that it was clear, but it's been a while since I did that and I can't recall the specifics. I think in the OP's case there are 4 busses, one for each of the three ports and one additional port, either a connector on the motherboard and or used by hardware built into the motherboard such as BlueTooth. Even if the machine doesn't have BT there may be some support for it on the MB. For example, this MacBook Pro. ASP shows 5 USB Bus (lo) and 2 USB High-Speed Bus (hi). Now 2 lo and one hi are used internally for BT, keyboard / trackpad, IR receiver and iSight. Leaving 3 lo and 1 hi not tasked and two external ports on the MBP. If I plug in a USB 2.0 card reader it appears on the previously untasked hi bus. If I switch it over to the other port it now appears on the same bus as the iSight. With a mouse plugged in to the first port, it shows up on the same lo bus with the BT controller. That is it is plugged into the same connector that the card reader was plugged into and appearing on a hi bus. I guess the one hard piece of data is that the ASP list is screwy. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Question about USB ports?
At 9:11 AM -0700 10/23/09, Jeffrey Engle wrote: Funny thing... I have an early 2005 Powermac G5 with 3 USB ports on the tower itself. Two on the rear and one on the front. Why does system profiler say that I have 4 USB Bus and 1 USB High-speed Bus? equalling 5 usb busses all together? and I thought ALL of the 3 that I do have were High-Speed Can someone explain? Thanks, Jeff There are USB busses that are not associated with external ports. My C2D iMac has three USB ports, but reports five busses - three for the external ports, one serving the internal Bluetooth controller and IR receiver, and one apparently not in use. As for the reported speeds, that is affected by what is plugged into the port. The port I have my external hub plugged into reports as high-speed, while the other two are dragged down to 12 Mb/sec by the keyboard hub and cell modem, respectively. Bob --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Question about USB ports?
I'm just guessing here, but I'm thinking what it is seeing is just whats on the mother board and your computer can run 5 built in USB's and a couple are of the high speed type, there may be an empty slot for another 2 USB's if you only see 2 or yours or you can change it out to a card with 4 USB's for an upgrade ??? If there is 2 on the keyboard they run though the port where you plug in the keyboard, in which case maybe would be piggy backing them to the mother board??? Keep in mind this is just a guess on my part, I don't know the workings of that computer??? CoolKat -Original Message- From: Jason Brown jason_br...@charter.net Sent: Oct 23, 2009 2:35 PM To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Question about USB ports? Jason, please keep in mind that system profiler only sees those USB ports available to it. Thus, if the keyboard is NOT plugged in, you will not see those ports. So, back to the drawing table. Jeff Ahhh, that is too true. I apologize for misinformation then. Jason --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Question about USB ports?
On Oct 23, 2009, at 2:39 PM, Clark Martin wrote: There is a USB diagnostic tool, part of XCode, that is more detailed and technical but less confusing once you get past the details. IIRC when I looked with that it was clear, but it's been a while since I did that and I can't recall the specifics. I believe its called USB Prober.app. I'm installing it now by running the XcodeTools.mkpg package off my OS X Leopard Install DVD. I've always appreciated the detailed info that is given, in dynamic mode ... but the Developer folder is over 1GB, and I didn't have room to keep it up before installing my newer SATA drives. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Question about USB ports?
On Oct 23, 2009, at 12:22 PM, Bill Connelly wrote: I believe its called USB Prober.app. Looked at what's in the XcodeTools.mpkg on my Leopard install disk and there was no USB Prober.app there? ideas? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Question about USB ports?
On Oct 23, 2009, at 12:40 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: On Oct 23, 2009, at 12:22 PM, Bill Connelly wrote: I believe its called USB Prober.app. Looked at what's in the XcodeTools.mpkg on my Leopard install disk and there was no USB Prober.app there? ideas? When you install the Developer tools, it's in the /Developer/ Application/Utilities folder. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Question about USB ports?
On Oct 23, 2009, at 4:19 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Oct 23, 2009, at 12:40 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: On Oct 23, 2009, at 12:22 PM, Bill Connelly wrote: I believe its called USB Prober.app. Looked at what's in the XcodeTools.mpkg on my Leopard install disk and there was no USB Prober.app there? ideas? When you install the Developer tools, it's in the /Developer/ Application/Utilities folder. Just as an FYI ... After installing XcodeTools.mpkg today, I see its 2.41GB in size. First attempt to find USB Prober.app with Pacifist failed, but at least Pacifist works under Leopard ... was hoping to be able to direct how to get to it that way. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Question about USB ports?
On Oct 23, 2009, at 5:01 PM, Bill Connelly wrote: On Oct 23, 2009, at 4:19 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Oct 23, 2009, at 12:40 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: On Oct 23, 2009, at 12:22 PM, Bill Connelly wrote: I believe its called USB Prober.app. Looked at what's in the XcodeTools.mpkg on my Leopard install disk and there was no USB Prober.app there? ideas? When you install the Developer tools, it's in the /Developer/ Application/Utilities folder. Just as an FYI ... After installing XcodeTools.mpkg today, I see its 2.41GB in size. First attempt to find USB Prober.app with Pacifist failed, but at least Pacifist works under Leopard ... was hoping to be able to direct how to get to it that way. If you know how to use Pacifist, an alternate way than to install all the XcodeTools.mkpg (2.41GB) ... Using Pacifist Open Package Navigate to Optional Installs Xcode Tools Packages DeveloperTools.pkg (click Open) Then Drill Down to Applications Utilities USB Prober.app and Extract. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Question about USB ports?
On Oct 23, 2009, at 2:01 PM, Bill Connelly wrote: When you install the Developer tools, it's in the /Developer/ Application/Utilities folder. Just as an FYI ... After installing XcodeTools.mpkg today, I see its 2.41GB in size. You can reduce this remarkably by doing a custom install. If all you want are the applications, which have a lot of useful stuff in there you can forego everything but that applications, which brings it down considerably. Leave out Documentation (which is all available online) and you get back almost 700 megs. Or use something like Pacifist and just extract the utility if you want. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
