Re: Scanner gives funny colors with one G4 but not another

2009-10-29 Thread Tom

SUCCESS! Thanks for all the brainstorming everybody. I finally got it
figured out, thanks mainly to what Bruce said. He suggested swapping
the Colorsync profiles from the G4 that was getting the correct colors
from the scanner to the G4 that wasn't. Well, that didn't work,
actually---I did it, and the G4 MDD still came up with weird colors in
the scans. However, Bruce also said that the HP Uninstaller (remember
I kept throwing the scanner software off the drive and reinstalling it
again, hoping it would fix it) might not be uninstalling ALL the HP
software each time I did it. And he was right.

Even after the Uninstaller supposedly removed all the HP Photosmart
software, I did a Finder search on HP, and sure enough there were
still HP Photosmart folders and files scattered all throughout the
System Library, in folders such as Application Support and Printers. I
rooted out and trashed every one of them. Then, just for good measure,
I went to the Preferences folders both in the System Library and the
User Library and threw out any .plists that had HP in them, too, and
there were several of those.

THEN, one final time, I used the HP Photosmart C4200 All-in-One
Software Installer CD to reinstall the scanner software, and bingo!
the scanner started producing perfect colors!

So I guess I can't say for sure whether it was throwing out all the HP
files, or the Preference files, or both, that did the trick, but at
least the trick is did, and now all is well with the scanner and the
G4 MDD. Lovely photo scans, great colors!

Thanks very much again gang! This is a great group!

All the best,

Tom


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Re: Scanner gives funny colors with one G4 but not another

2009-10-29 Thread Chance Reecher

For the last time, Intel/Dual has nothing to do with his problem. 
Looking back at his original email, I find that BOTH ARE DUAL G4s! The 
only 1.42Ghz MDD that Apple ever made was a dual. And neither of them 
are Intel, as if YOU knew anything about computers, you would know that 
G4 processors were made by PowerPC, not Intel. I in fact own each of the 
computers the OP was referencing, and they were both bought before Apple 
even began to look at Intel.

Richard Gerome wrote:

If you read the original email again you will see he wrote that one is a 
 G4 dual... There for they are not the same computers... It seems to me that 
 maybe this printer/scanner is designed to run on an Intel Mac because he said 
 it runs fine one that one (G4 Dual) and not the other one... Do you know 
 anything at all about engineering??? Not only can I fix and figure this stuff 
 out I can also make them, this is what Machinist and Toolmakers do, based on 
 what the Engineers draw up and put on Blueprints or program the CNC 
 (Computerized Numerical Control) machines... Who do you think make 
 computers??? Manufacturing Companies!!!   CoolKat  



 -Original Message-
 From: Chance Reecher cnrtechh...@gmail.com
 Sent: Oct 28, 2009 9:19 PM
 To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Scanner gives funny colors with one G4 but not another




 Richard Gerome wrote:
I'm thinking this because it seems to be the only thing different 
 between the 2 computers
 you aren't taking into account the countless potential little 
 differences in software.
  and maybe this printer and scanner combo might not be supported on the 
 newer one or visa versa... 
 Those MDDs were released at the same time. And besides, It's all the OS.
 The dual is an Intel and the other is an Apple... 
 WHAT??? He said clearly that both were G4 MDDs.
 One thing I learned through all the yrs companies do this this kind of 
 stuff to force you to buy something new... Why doesn't my Sprint broadband 
 card work with Jaguar??? It would seem to me that they would make it so it 
 does, to sell more of these cards but maybe Apple wont let them so you are 
 forced to buy new??? 
 Again, WHAT???
 Think about that, ponder that thought... I worked as an Auto Tech since the 
 early 70's and they do this kind of stuff with the cars... Every yr a new 
 car comes out you have to buy a new tool (even the tool companies do this) 
 they are all working together... I also worked in the auto manufacturing
  business as a Machinist and Toolmaker and later in my yrs as an Engineer 
 and they design every part on your car to fail when they have the ability 
 to make it last a whole lot longer, how many times have you heard the story 
 about someones new car breaking down right after the warranty ran out...   
 Oh, Auto Mechanics has LOADS to do with G3-G5 Macs.
 CoolKat 


 -Original Message-
   
 From: Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net
 Sent: Oct 28, 2009 8:37 PM
 To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Scanner gives funny colors with one G4 but not another


 On Oct 28, 2009, at 7:33 PM, Richard Gerome wrote:

 
 I'm thinking it might have something to do with the one being a Dual  
 G4???
   
 I don't understand why you might be thinking this? Care to elaborate?


 

   


 

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Re: Scanner gives funny colors with one G4 but not another

2009-10-29 Thread pdimage

On 29/10/09 00:08, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote:

 the scanner's colorsync profile is messed up on the weird G4, I'll bet.
 
 Go into /Library/ColorSync/Profiles on the weird G4 I'll bet there's a
 folder marked HP, possibly in a folder called scanners. Replace that
 folder with the analogous one from the other G4.
 
 There *might* be a profile for it in your user Library/ColorSync/
 Profiles folder as well. As above, replace it with known good copies.
 
 Uninstalls rarely remove everything, and sometimes re-installs don't
 replace existing files.
 
 -- 
 Bruce Johnson

It will be down to the profiles - the colour is independent of the mac
model and totally dependent on the colour mamnagement. Each scanner should
have it's own profile generated by the manufacturer to guarantee consistency
of colour regardless of model or even platform.

Pete



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Re: Scanner gives funny colors with one G4 but not another

2009-10-29 Thread Dan

At 6:22 AM -0400 10/29/2009, Chance Reecher wrote:
For the last time, Intel/Dual has nothing to do with his problem.

true.

Looking back at his original email, I find that BOTH ARE DUAL G4s! The
only 1.42Ghz MDD that Apple ever made was a dual. And neither of them
are Intel, as if YOU knew anything about computers, you would know that
G4 processors were made by PowerPC, not Intel.

PowerPC is the name of the processor architecture, not the company.

PowerPC processors are manufactured by IBM, Motorola, and Freescale.

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Re: Scanner gives funny colors with one G4 but not another

2009-10-29 Thread Richard Gerome


   Hey man relax life is way too short... I never had the chance to play with 
anything newer then my Powerbook Titanium G4 and if I did I'm sure I could have 
figured it out... So do me a favor and please don't reply to this because he 
figured it out by using Bruce's idea like I told him to try first because I 
said from the beginning I wasn't sure...   CoolKat



-Original Message-
From: Chance Reecher cnrtechh...@gmail.com
Sent: Oct 29, 2009 6:22 AM
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Scanner gives funny colors with one G4 but not another


For the last time, Intel/Dual has nothing to do with his problem. 
Looking back at his original email, I find that BOTH ARE DUAL G4s! The 
only 1.42Ghz MDD that Apple ever made was a dual. And neither of them 
are Intel, as if YOU knew anything about computers, you would know that 
G4 processors were made by PowerPC, not Intel. I in fact own each of the 
computers the OP was referencing, and they were both bought before Apple 
even began to look at Intel.

Richard Gerome wrote:

If you read the original email again you will see he wrote that one is a 
 G4 dual... There for they are not the same computers... It seems to me that 
 maybe this printer/scanner is designed to run on an Intel Mac because he 
 said it runs fine one that one (G4 Dual) and not the other one... Do you 
 know anything at all about engineering??? Not only can I fix and figure this 
 stuff out I can also make them, this is what Machinist and Toolmakers do, 
 based on what the Engineers draw up and put on Blueprints or program the CNC 
 (Computerized Numerical Control) machines... Who do you think make 
 computers??? Manufacturing Companies!!!   CoolKat  



 -Original Message-
 From: Chance Reecher cnrtechh...@gmail.com
 Sent: Oct 28, 2009 9:19 PM
 To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Scanner gives funny colors with one G4 but not another




 Richard Gerome wrote:
I'm thinking this because it seems to be the only thing different 
 between the 2 computers
 you aren't taking into account the countless potential little 
 differences in software.
  and maybe this printer and scanner combo might not be supported on the 
 newer one or visa versa... 
 Those MDDs were released at the same time. And besides, It's all the OS.
 The dual is an Intel and the other is an Apple... 
 WHAT??? He said clearly that both were G4 MDDs.
 One thing I learned through all the yrs companies do this this kind of 
 stuff to force you to buy something new... Why doesn't my Sprint broadband 
 card work with Jaguar??? It would seem to me that they would make it so it 
 does, to sell more of these cards but maybe Apple wont let them so you are 
 forced to buy new??? 
 Again, WHAT???
 Think about that, ponder that thought... I worked as an Auto Tech since 
 the early 70's and they do this kind of stuff with the cars... Every yr a 
 new car comes out you have to buy a new tool (even the tool companies do 
 this) they are all working together... I also worked in the auto 
 manufacturing
  business as a Machinist and Toolmaker and later in my yrs as an Engineer 
 and they design every part on your car to fail when they have the ability 
 to make it last a whole lot longer, how many times have you heard the 
 story about someones new car breaking down right after the warranty ran 
 out...   
 Oh, Auto Mechanics has LOADS to do with G3-G5 Macs.
 CoolKat 


 -Original Message-
   
 From: Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net
 Sent: Oct 28, 2009 8:37 PM
 To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Scanner gives funny colors with one G4 but not another


 On Oct 28, 2009, at 7:33 PM, Richard Gerome wrote:

 
 I'm thinking it might have something to do with the one being a Dual  
 G4???
   
 I don't understand why you might be thinking this? Care to elaborate?


 

   


 




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Re: Scanner gives funny colors with one G4 but not another

2009-10-29 Thread Bruce Johnson


On Oct 28, 2009, at 5:33 PM, Richard Gerome wrote:


   I'm thinking it might have something to do with the one being a  
 Dual G4??? If what Bruce says doesn't work??? I'm just guessing  
 here???  CoolKat


No. The only place color weirdness can come in is in:

1) scanning, but the scanner works OK on the other computer.
2) Scan acquisition or post processing.

It's a USB scanner, usb issues will not result in 'weird colors' but  
complete garbage, therefore by elimination it's the driver or the  
color profile. Since the driver's been re-installed...

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Re: Scanner gives funny colors with one G4 but not another

2009-10-29 Thread Bruce Johnson


On Oct 29, 2009, at 12:55 AM, Tom wrote:

 Even after the Uninstaller supposedly removed all the HP Photosmart
 software, I did a Finder search on HP, and sure enough there were
 still HP Photosmart folders and files scattered all throughout the
 System Library, in folders such as Application Support and Printers. I
 rooted out and trashed every one of them.


Glad it worked. I've had similar issues with other HP scanners, but  
they were older than yours predating OS X, I hoped HP's scattering of  
files all over were limited to their very earliest OS X scanner drivers.

Clearly not the case.

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Re: Scanner gives funny colors with one G4 but not another

2009-10-29 Thread iJohn

On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Bruce Johnson
john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote:
 Glad it worked. I've had similar issues with other HP scanners, but
 they were older than yours predating OS X, I hoped HP's scattering of
 files all over were limited to their very earliest OS X scanner drivers.

 Clearly not the case.

My experience was that the rule among software developers is that once
you find something which you *think* works, you tend to stick with it.
This is especially true for corporate coders.

Since most corporate programmers are insulated from any true customer
feedback or interaction by layers of bureaucracy, they tend to base
their assumptions about what works or does not work pretty much by
what they find in the corporation's code library. The typical rational
goes something like: Hey, they did it this way the last few times and
it worked then. Let's not rock the boat by changing anything and risk
introducing bugs. Besides, no one will support paying us for a more
extensive change.

Usually it takes a Vista sized seismic event to rattle things enough
to prod them to take another look at what worked before. That or a
design change required for another reason.  And even then there's no
reason to believe they'll come up with anything better. There is a lot
of pressure from the corporate culture to produce mediocre but
ostensibly functional code that no one can blame you for.

It's an insidious evolutionary process. That's why I fear ... long
term ... for Apple after Steve Jobs passes away. One month after Jobs
is gone Apple will be not that much changed. After one year? Probably
still doing things much the same way. Five years after? Who knows?

-irrationally (??) pessimistic john

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Scanner gives funny colors with one G4 but not another

2009-10-28 Thread Tom

This is one of those HP Photosmart C4200 All-in-One printer/scanners
that Apple was giving away with their computers a couple years ago
(USB connection).

I only want to use it as a scanner for photos, attached to a G4 MDD
1.42 GHz running 10.4.11. The Mac recognizes the scanner through the
HP software, and it scans the pictures, but the colors come out all
skewed. Red comes out greenish-yellow, etc. Even the color adjustment
controls of the HP software can't fix the weird colors.

However, when I connect this same scanner to a G4 dual 1 GHz, it scans
just fine, and the colors are correct.

So the mystery is, how come this scanner works with one G4, but not
the other one, the one I want it to? Both Macs are running 10.4.11
with all the updates, and have all the same other apps. Except for
their CPU models, both Macs are the same.

The HP software installs from a CD that was included with the scanner,
and it was used to install it on both Macs (there is no longer any
software or drivers available for this scanner on the HP website--they
seem uninterested in supporting it).

For the G4 MDD giving the wrong color scans, I uninstalled and
reinstalled the HP software several times, tried different USB ports,
examined all software preferences, calibrated the monitor, everything
I can think of, but the colors still scan funny.

Anybody got any ideas why this scanner will work fine with one G4 but
not another?
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Re: Scanner gives funny colors with one G4 but not another

2009-10-28 Thread Bruce Johnson


On Oct 28, 2009, at 4:43 PM, Tom wrote:

 For the G4 MDD giving the wrong color scans, I uninstalled and
 reinstalled the HP software several times, tried different USB ports,
 examined all software preferences, calibrated the monitor,everything
 I can think of, but the colors still scan funny.

 Anybody got any ideas why this scanner will work fine with one G4 but
 not another?

the scanner's colorsync profile is messed up on the weird G4, I'll bet.

Go into /Library/ColorSync/Profiles on the weird G4 I'll bet there's a  
folder marked HP, possibly in a folder called scanners. Replace that  
folder with the analogous one from the other G4.

There *might* be a profile for it in your user Library/ColorSync/ 
Profiles folder as well. As above, replace it with known good copies.

Uninstalls rarely remove everything, and sometimes re-installs don't  
replace existing files.

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Re: Scanner gives funny colors with one G4 but not another

2009-10-28 Thread Richard Gerome


   I'm thinking it might have something to do with the one being a Dual G4??? 
If what Bruce says doesn't work??? I'm just guessing here???  CoolKat



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On Oct 28, 2009, at 4:43 PM, Tom wrote:

 For the G4 MDD giving the wrong color scans, I uninstalled and
 reinstalled the HP software several times, tried different USB ports,
 examined all software preferences, calibrated the monitor,everything
 I can think of, but the colors still scan funny.

 Anybody got any ideas why this scanner will work fine with one G4 but
 not another?

the scanner's colorsync profile is messed up on the weird G4, I'll bet.

Go into /Library/ColorSync/Profiles on the weird G4 I'll bet there's a  
folder marked HP, possibly in a folder called scanners. Replace that  
folder with the analogous one from the other G4.

There *might* be a profile for it in your user Library/ColorSync/ 
Profiles folder as well. As above, replace it with known good copies.

Uninstalls rarely remove everything, and sometimes re-installs don't  
replace existing files.

-- 
Bruce Johnson
University of Arizona
College of Pharmacy
Information Technology Group

Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs






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Re: Scanner gives funny colors with one G4 but not another

2009-10-28 Thread Kris Tilford

On Oct 28, 2009, at 7:33 PM, Richard Gerome wrote:

 I'm thinking it might have something to do with the one being a Dual  
 G4???

I don't understand why you might be thinking this? Care to elaborate?


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Re: Scanner gives funny colors with one G4 but not another

2009-10-28 Thread Chance Reecher

Yes, I was wondering the same thing. Th e only difference between a 
single and dual is the fact that the dual has two processors. Everything 
else is the same.

Kris Tilford wrote:
 On Oct 28, 2009, at 7:33 PM, Richard Gerome wrote:

   
 I'm thinking it might have something to do with the one being a Dual  
 G4???
 

 I don't understand why you might be thinking this? Care to elaborate?


 
   

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Re: Scanner gives funny colors with one G4 but not another

2009-10-28 Thread Richard Gerome


   I'm thinking this because it seems to be the only thing different between 
the 2 computers and maybe this printer and scanner combo might not be supported 
on the newer one or visa versa... The dual is an Intel and the other is an 
Apple... One thing I learned through all the yrs companies do this this kind of 
stuff to force you to buy something new... Why doesn't my Sprint broadband card 
work with Jaguar??? It would seem to me that they would make it so it does, to 
sell more of these cards but maybe Apple wont let them so you are forced to buy 
new??? Think about that, ponder that thought... I worked as an Auto Tech since 
the early 70's and they do this kind of stuff with the cars... Every yr a new 
car comes out you have to buy a new tool (even the tool companies do this) they 
are all working together... I also worked in the auto manufacturing
 business as a Machinist and Toolmaker and later in my yrs as an Engineer and 
they design every part on your car to fail when they have the ability to make 
it last a whole lot longer, how many times have you heard the story about 
someones new car breaking down right after the warranty ran out...   CoolKat 


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Sent: Oct 28, 2009 8:37 PM
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Scanner gives funny colors with one G4 but not another


On Oct 28, 2009, at 7:33 PM, Richard Gerome wrote:

 I'm thinking it might have something to do with the one being a Dual  
 G4???

I don't understand why you might be thinking this? Care to elaborate?





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Re: Scanner gives funny colors with one G4 but not another

2009-10-28 Thread Chance Reecher



Richard Gerome wrote:
I'm thinking this because it seems to be the only thing different between 
 the 2 computers
you aren't taking into account the countless potential little 
differences in software.
  and maybe this printer and scanner combo might not be supported on the newer 
 one or visa versa... 
Those MDDs were released at the same time. And besides, It's all the OS.
 The dual is an Intel and the other is an Apple... 
WHAT??? He said clearly that both were G4 MDDs.
 One thing I learned through all the yrs companies do this this kind of stuff 
 to force you to buy something new... Why doesn't my Sprint broadband card 
 work with Jaguar??? It would seem to me that they would make it so it does, 
 to sell more of these cards but maybe Apple wont let them so you are forced 
 to buy new??? 
Again, WHAT???
 Think about that, ponder that thought... I worked as an Auto Tech since the 
 early 70's and they do this kind of stuff with the cars... Every yr a new car 
 comes out you have to buy a new tool (even the tool companies do this) they 
 are all working together... I also worked in the auto manufacturing
  business as a Machinist and Toolmaker and later in my yrs as an Engineer and 
 they design every part on your car to fail when they have the ability to make 
 it last a whole lot longer, how many times have you heard the story about 
 someones new car breaking down right after the warranty ran out...   
Oh, Auto Mechanics has LOADS to do with G3-G5 Macs.
 CoolKat 


 -Original Message-
   
 From: Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net
 Sent: Oct 28, 2009 8:37 PM
 To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Scanner gives funny colors with one G4 but not another


 On Oct 28, 2009, at 7:33 PM, Richard Gerome wrote:

 
 I'm thinking it might have something to do with the one being a Dual  
 G4???
   
 I don't understand why you might be thinking this? Care to elaborate?


 


 
   

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Re: Scanner gives funny colors with one G4 but not another

2009-10-28 Thread Bill Connelly

(Only the Color Profiles matter ...)

Get Hamrick's VueScan :  http://www.hamrick.com/

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