Re: Data Recovery
At 9:58 PM -0700 8/31/2009, Paul wrote: That reminds me - is there a way to write protect an external drive? Most (maybe all) of them don't have a hardware switch. I haven't seen a hardware write-lock in years. Most file systems support a software write-lock but it's just that - software. It can be violated at will. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Data Recovery
At 9:45 PM -0700 8/31/2009, Paul wrote: I have had great success recovering 400 gb of data from an external firewire/ethernet drive via a G4 on OS 9.2.2 With Disk Utility? Disk Utility is Apple's repair tool for Mac OS X (actually it's Unix's fsck). The classic Mac OS (9.2.2) would use Disk First Aid. DFA is nowhere near as sophisticated as DU. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Data Recovery
It is - having iomega's zip or jaz drives and the software they provide. That can be downloaded for free, but you have to become a member. iomega.com That reminds me - is there a way to write protect an external drive? Most (maybe all) of them don't have a hardware switch. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Data Recovery
A good way of write protecting is burning the entire content to CDs or DVDs and lock them away. Then you can sweep the disk by re-formatting. Lars At 9:58 PM -0700 8/31/2009, Paul wrote: That reminds me - is there a way to write protect an external drive? Most (maybe all) of them don't have a hardware switch. I haven't seen a hardware write-lock in years. Most file systems support a software write-lock but it's just that - software. It can be violated at will. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Data Recovery
Don't forget the Nortons - version 8 works on X systems, but DO NOT use a version 5 for journaled disks. At 9:45 PM -0700 8/31/2009, Paul wrote: I have had great success recovering 400 gb of data from an external firewire/ethernet drive via a G4 on OS 9.2.2 With Disk Utility? Disk Utility is Apple's repair tool for Mac OS X (actually it's Unix's fsck). The classic Mac OS (9.2.2) would use Disk First Aid. DFA is nowhere near as sophisticated as DU. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Next for PPC?
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: Next for PPC? Date:Dienstag, 1. September 2009N From:Dan dantear...@gmail.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com At 12:27 AM + 9/1/2009, Peter wrote: However, there will be some drawbacks too. Software development will be concentrated on Intel and I doubt it that we see a lot of Universal Binaries anymore. There are MILLIONS of PowerPC based Macs still in service. As long as XCode can produce Universal binaries WHY would anyone want to cut off that much of their userbase? Reducing userbase == lower income. Might be. On the other hand some applications are already Intel only. It's probably so that some applications are so expensive anyway that users are required to by a newer Mac to use it. And they don't even care either, because this is just a requirement they have to fulfill for using the software. For some it may be the final reason why to buy a newer computer and dump a still working one. So, opposed to your theory: if the userbase is constant - reducing compatibity (with older computers) == higher income Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Next for PPC?
There are MILLIONS of PowerPC based Macs still in service. As long as XCode can produce Universal binaries WHY would anyone want to cut off that much of their userbase? Reducing userbase == lower income. agreed but on the other hand, a particular company will look at how much rev loss there will be, how much cost will they save. Apple as such, themselves will stop i guess. Once they dont support the os 10.6 then their own products ought not to support universal binaries. Well these r my personal view. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: dual G5 2.5 problems continue
-- Original message -- Subject: dual G5 2.5 problems continue Date:Dienstag, 1. September 2009N From:amoriellja...@att.net To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com ... Unfortunately, it still won't boot and now has a new error message during the hardware test: AHT Error Code: 2I2C/1/1 0x0096 ... He's at a loss. Any ideas for him. Thanks. I've always found it to be a good way to watch the boot messages displayed by the Darwin kernel. Hold down Cmd-V right after Mac OS X starts. You can find a list of ahellofalot keyboard commands here: http://www.jacsoft.co.nz/Tech_Notes/Mac_Keys.shtml The output may be helpful for diagnosing the problem. Cheers, Andreas aka Linux User #330250 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Data Recovery
The success was achieved using Data Rescue II from PROSOFT --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OS 10.4 to Thumbdrive
On 8/31/09 5:08 PM, Paul wrote: inding a USB 2.0 card (much faster) that lets you boot might take a bit of work. Paul, would you please say how this is really done? I know it's a complex process in windoze. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Data Recovery
At 10:12 AM +0200 9/1/2009, WhyOSX wrote: Don't forget the Nortons - version 8 works on X systems, but DO NOT use a version 5 for journaled disks. No. DO NOT put ANY of the Norton products near your Mac. Period. They are KNOWN to corrupt HFS+ volumes on OS X. It's so bad they couldn't fix it - Symantec terminated the product back in 2004. Then to CYA they re-iterated that NUM is dead etc, especially for Tiger or newer, in June of 2005. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G4 Sleep Issue
Steve Conrad writes, And I was thinking of the USS Prometheus which has Multi-Vector Attack mode :P That's NX-74913. Thanks for clarifying. :-) ~Yersinia. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Next for PPC?
At 12:05 PM +0200 9/1/2009, Mac User #330250 wrote: So, opposed to your theory: if the userbase is constant - reducing compatibity (with older computers) == higher income When an app becomes incompatible with your computer, you go look for a different app. You only go back to the vendor that screwed you if there's no other choice. Now, I realize that this doesn't follow in the windoze-world. But hey, we're talking about Macs here. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Next for PPC?
At 3:16 AM -0700 9/1/2009, Kshitij Rajkumar wrote: There are MILLIONS of PowerPC based Macs still in service. As long as XCode can produce Universal binaries WHY would anyone want to cut off that much of their userbase? Reducing userbase == lower income. agreed but on the other hand, a particular company will look at how much rev loss there will be, how much cost will they save. Of course. It's always a balancing act. WRT support costs tho, the ppc userbase is older and already past the big initial/heavier support need, so they're easy money for upgrades. Apple as such, themselves will stop i guess. Once they dont support the os 10.6 then their own products ought not to support universal binaries. Yea. But Apple is a whole different ballgame. They're our big gorilla, with billions and billions in the bank, headed by L'Jobs. They can do whatever they want, including screw the older userbase unnecessarily - as they have been shown to do in the past. (eg: ripping out or disabling processor support) - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Posting etiquette?
On Aug 31, 2009, at 8:33 PM, dorayme wrote: Date: Mon, Aug 31 2009 2:43 pm From: Wallace Adrian D'Alessio There's no arm twisting being done here. We're just clearing the path to effective communication. Talking it over as friends. :) Lister to lister. The LEM tradition of community. Well, I think we need a new addition to tradition and I offer you some of my men. They are big, they are not well educated in the formal sense, they wear dark suits and shades and they will go around to have a little chat with anyone I say to. Would their names be Vinnie and Guido? I've requested their presence on a few occasions. ;-) Now, who was that top- posting? g Ah... The Phoenix Stallion. The dead horse once more risen from its ashes. I guess there are pros and cons for each posting style. Personally, I prefer top posting because that is the default of my mail program. BUT... it really matters little to me. If I feel the need to respond to a thread, I'll do so in the manner already established. While the semi-regular threads on this subject make for interesting reading, in the =grand scheme= of things the debate seems awfully irrelevant. Just my $.02 worth... (Tax, title and license not included.) Amanda --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Data Recovery
Norton is pretty bad for Windows, too. You're better off finding free stuff than using Symantec products. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Next for PPC?
Subject: Re: Next for PPC? Date:Dienstag, 1. September 2009N From:Dan dantear...@gmail.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com At 12:05 PM +0200 9/1/2009, Mac User #330250 wrote: So, opposed to your theory: if the userbase is constant - reducing compatibity (with older computers) == higher income When an app becomes incompatible with your computer, you go look for a different app. You only go back to the vendor that screwed you if there's no other choice. Now, I realize that this doesn't follow in the windoze-world. But hey, we're talking about Macs here. I disagree. I'm new to the Mac world, alright. But I haven't been so deep in the Windows world either. I'm a private user. An enthusiast. I love all different kind of hardware and the software that goes with it. The software system I'm using for about a decade now is Linux. I grew up with it since Kernel 2.2 ended and 2.4 started. Now we have 2.6 and a completely different developement model, so I doubt I'll see 2.8 anytime soon. The developement of 2.6 goes in such big steps that we would be at 3.4 or so by now anyway... So far my background. Now, I've seen companies that use computers for business. I'm not involved, just watching. (A relative works in a bigger publishing company. Friends work as IT persons.) When a company has a specific need, say the require a program calles Quark Xpress (at least they did back then) -- they will buy whatever hardware is necessary to suit the needs of /this program/. Sounds upside down, doesn't it? Well, that's how business goes sometimes. They used Macs because PCs simply were not capable of desktop pubishing and graphics design. It was the instability of Windows and incapability to load big files that occupy a lot of RAM that left the Macs as the only possible hardware. Macs have been stable for ages with System x/Mac OS 7.x-9.x, and with Mac OS X 10.3+. Now things have shifted. Windows is now as stable as Mac OS. Crashes are rare. Also, most traditional Mac software is now also available for Windows. Even more than that, some companies release the Windows versions earlier and put more effort in it than they used to. So this company now starts shifting to Windows PCs. They are cheaper, do the same tasks and the programs they require are available too. Only some of the employees aren't very happy about that. They've been used to the Apple way and now they are forced to switch to Windows. Bad thing... I don't think that any vendor can do anything about that. If Quark decides to only support Windows one day - they will not have a chance to do anything about it. It doesn't have anything to do with Apple and the Mac world. I guess Apple is going the Intel-only path because for Apple this means that people will _have to_ buy a new Mac. Off course people will be upset and angry, but for now this means that Apple will push the selling of their product. What this does to Apple users in the long run I don't dare to forsee. As for me, privately... What you are saying basically brings me to Linux. No one will ever stop supporting PowerPC for Linux, and if I had a computer with an ARM processor it will run as well. My vendor is the open source world now. No more Bill Gates or Steve Jobs that tell me that I have to buy a newer PC or Mac. Just my humble oppinion... Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 aka Linux User #330250 aka Windows User #330250 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Posting etiquette?
Let's cut out the stereotyping! It's nasty and insulting and it's wasting the time of this site which is trying to be helpful... Indifference is a weapon of mass destruction. Michael J. Amato can...@comcast.net On Sep 1, 2009, at 10:41 AM, Amanda Ward wrote: Well, I think we need a new addition to tradition and I offer you some of my men. They are big, they are not well educated in the formal sense, they wear dark suits and shades and they will go around to have a little chat with anyone I say to. Would their names be Vinnie and Guido? I've requested their presence on a few occasions. ;-) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Next for PPC?
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Mac User #330250macuser330...@gmx.net wrote: I guess Apple is going the Intel-only path because for Apple this means that people will _have to_ buy a new Mac. Of course, I don't actually know anything about why Apple went with Intel CPUs. But IMO it had little to do with forcing people to buy new Mac hardware. Apple appears to be very pragmatic when it comes to their hardware these days. They probably have two things in mind: (1) driving towards reducing their production costs and (2) getting hardware that meets their requirements (whatever those happen to be). I expect they went with Intel CPUs because they decided they were never going to get the same combination of availability, cost, performance from PPC processors that they could get from Intel. But they are also clearly not locked into Intel products per se. Just look at how quickly Apple abandoned the Intel internal graphics chipsets for NVIDIA's, ostensibly because NVIDIA's solutions provide much better performance. From a corporate/business point of view, switching CPUs is one big drawn out furshluggin' pain in the posterior. I think Apple would only have done it after debating the pros cons and deciding going with Intel would definitely result in the most benefit for the company's products in the longer term. -irrational john --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Firefox 3.5x on PPC
Is Firefox having problems resolving domain names? Sometimes In Terminal, please issue the following commands then copy the whole results and paste 'em into a reply here: Dan, Here is the information you requested: Last login: Mon Aug 31 05:48:14 on console Welcome to Darwin! Larry-Edens-Computer-2:~ larryeden$ Larry-Edens-Computer-2:~ larryeden$ lookupd -flushcache Larry-Edens-Computer-2:~ larryeden$ Larry-Edens-Computer-2:~ larryeden$ lookupd -flushcache Larry-Edens-Computer-2:~ larryeden$ dig www.google.com ; DiG 9.3.6-APPLE-P2 www.google.com ;; global options: printcmd ;; Got answer: ;; -HEADER- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 18623 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 5, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;www.google.com.IN A ;; ANSWER SECTION: www.google.com. 603604 IN CNAME www.l.google.com. www.l.google.com. 236 IN A 64.233.169.103 www.l.google.com. 236 IN A 64.233.169.99 www.l.google.com. 236 IN A 64.233.169.147 www.l.google.com. 236 IN A 64.233.169.104 ;; Query time: 21 msec ;; SERVER: 192.168.1.1#53(192.168.1.1) ;; WHEN: Tue Sep 1 15:26:58 2009 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 116 Larry-Edens-Computer-2:~ larryeden$ dig @208.67.220.220 www.google.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
G4 PCI Mac
was wondering.. IfI wanted to use wireless on a 350 MHZ PCI runninng 10.3 do I have to use Airport or will a third party vendor acrd work as well. What about the USB type or wireless adapters? I saw a processor upgrade that allows you to put a G3 1000 MHZ processor in place of the G4. Any thoughts? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Firefox 3.5x on PPC
At 3:28 PM -0400 9/1/2009, Lawrence David Eden wrote: Larry-Edens-Computer-2:~ larryeden$ dig @208.67.220.220 www.google.com You need to hit return after that last line, as you didn't include the return when you copied. Please do the whole three commands again. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Ultra-SCSI on a G4
Greetings, I have an Adaptec AHA-2930B(Mac) that prevents my G4 from waking from sleep. I have removed the card and the Mac sleeps and wakes on demand. So, if I want to connect my external SCSI drives, what do I need to install? I use the SCSI very infrequently, so my question is more about getting an education than solving a problem. Larry --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Next for PPC?
On Sep 1, 2009, at 10:47 AM, iJohn wrote: On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Mac User #330250macuser330...@gmx.net wrote: I guess Apple is going the Intel-only path because for Apple this means that people will _have to_ buy a new Mac. Of course, I don't actually know anything about why Apple went with Intel CPUs. But IMO it had little to do with forcing people to buy new Mac hardware. This has been hashed out numerous times on the list, but in a nutshell Apple went to a company whose main business is CPU's for personal computers, not a sideline. Motorola and IBM were both unable or unwilling to provide Apple with the product (64-bit, low power PPC general purpose CPUs) Apple needed for their increasingly important laptop business. By the time Apple finally went to Intel, Apple's laptops were two generations behind; when they released the first Macbooks, these 'low end' laptops posted better benchmarks that Apple's top end G4 laptops did. IBM and Motorola bet that Apple wouldn't or couldn't undertake an architecture change like that. I would have LOVED to have been a fly on the wall at IBM and Moto when the day came that Steve announced a move to Intel and produced a Mac running OS X on an Intel system, full fledged. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G4 Sleep Issue
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 8:51 AM, yersi...@cybernex.net wrote: Steve Conrad writes, And I was thinking of the USS Prometheus which has Multi-Vector Attack mode :P That's NX-74913. Thanks for clarifying. :-) ~Yersinia. :) All my HDD, Bernoulli disks, etc. are named after Starships -- Steve Conrad Henrietta, MO 64036 The time has come for mankind to grow up and leave its cradle behind; to go forth and claim our place in outer space. - Capt. Henry Gloval (\__/) (='.'=) ()_() Help Bunny Take Over The World! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Ultra-SCSI on a G4
--- On Tue, 9/1/09, Lawrence David Eden lde...@comcast.net wrote: I have an Adaptec AHA-2930B(Mac) that prevents my G4 from waking from sleep. I have removed the card and the Mac sleeps and wakes on demand. I prefer ATTO pci cards. They are natively supported in OSX but also ATTO have downloadable s/w on there site. What SCSI connections are you looking for? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Next for PPC?
--- On Tue, 9/1/09, Mac User #330250 macuser330...@gmx.net wrote: The software system I'm using for about a decade now is Linux. I grew up with it since Kernel 2.2 ended and 2.4 started. Now we have 2.6 and a completely different developement model, so I doubt I'll see 2.8 anytime soon. The developement of 2.6 goes in such big steps that we would be at 3.4 or so by now anyway... So far my background. This is a different twist. I have dabbled with Linux. But I have done this on PC platforms. Every time I approached loading Linux on a Mac I'd always ask myself why? It used to be that the unique thing about Macs was that they ran Mac OS! No other hardware would do that, so even if it was a bit outdated, that was an old Macs primary asset. Better to focus on maxing out the hardware and selecting the optimum OS version and apps for the hardware. I loved Macs that could run OS 6 :-) Even if you didn't have an old Mac to load Linux on you could find an old PC cheaper if that's what you wanted to play with. The new LEM twist is exploring powerful PC hardware that will run Mac OS! Keeping the G's going should focus on what can be stripped out of OSX or optimized so that it runs faster on the same resources. That takes volunteer knowledge, along the open source lines. Does anybody remember Gamba? He used to give instructions on what could be left out of the free OS 7.5.5 to make it work like OS 7.1 on low spec machines. That's the kind of input we need. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Next for PPC?
John Niven wrote: --- On Tue, 9/1/09, Mac User #330250 macuser330...@gmx.net wrote: The software system I'm using for about a decade now is Linux. I grew up with it since Kernel 2.2 ended and 2.4 started. Now we have 2.6 and a completely different developement model, so I doubt I'll see 2.8 anytime soon. The developement of 2.6 goes in such big steps that we would be at 3.4 or so by now anyway... So far my background. This is a different twist. I have dabbled with Linux. But I have done this on PC platforms. Every time I approached loading Linux on a Mac I'd always ask myself why? It used to be that the unique thing about Macs was that they ran Mac OS! No other hardware would do that, so even if it was a bit outdated, that was an old Macs primary asset. Better to focus on maxing out the hardware and selecting the optimum OS version and apps for the hardware. I loved Macs that could run OS 6 :-) Even if you didn't have an old Mac to load Linux on you could find an old PC cheaper if that's what you wanted to play with. Lately I've been experimenting with Linux on Macs. I'm using Macs because I have plenty laying around. I'm doing it to expand my OS knowledge and to check out some programs that aren't available on the Mac. The new LEM twist is exploring powerful PC hardware that will run Mac OS! Keeping the G's going should focus on what can be stripped out of OSX or optimized so that it runs faster on the same resources. That takes volunteer knowledge, along the open source lines. Does anybody remember Gamba? He used to give instructions on what could be left out of the free OS 7.5.5 to make it work like OS 7.1 on low spec machines. That's the kind of input we need. I was looking at some used but not that old X86 computers today with the thought to getting one to install Linux on. I do have one ancient Windows machine which I got for free and do almost nothing with. I remember Gamba. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G4 PCI Mac
Jasiu wrote: was wondering.. IfI wanted to use wireless on a 350 MHZ PCI runninng 10.3 do I have to use Airport or will a third party vendor acrd work as well. What about the USB type or wireless adapters? I saw a processor upgrade that allows you to put a G3 1000 MHZ processor in place of the G4. Any thoughts? Take a look on e-bay or other sources for a G4 around the 1GHz mark. It will likely be cheaper than that G3 processor. You'll still have the G3 available, it will be a G4 (important for some stuff), higher memory capacity and the bus will be faster. It will possibly also have large disk support and probably some other advantages I'm forgetting. BTW, I take it you have a BW G3 Tower (Blue and White)? -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Ultra-SCSI on a G4
Lawrence David Eden wrote: Greetings, I have an Adaptec AHA-2930B(Mac) that prevents my G4 from waking from sleep. I have removed the card and the Mac sleeps and wakes on demand. So, if I want to connect my external SCSI drives, what do I need to install? I use the SCSI very infrequently, so my question is more about getting an education than solving a problem. What do you use the SCSI for? You could use a USB-SCSI adapter. However to get hi-speed performance you'd need a USB 2.0 card which usually have the same sleep problems. There is, I think, a FW-SCSI adapter but they are rare and expensive. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Ultra-SCSI on a G4
On Sep 1, 2009, at 9:34 PM, Clark Martin wrote: Lawrence David Eden wrote: Greetings, I have an Adaptec AHA-2930B(Mac) that prevents my G4 from waking from sleep. I have removed the card and the Mac sleeps and wakes on demand. So, if I want to connect my external SCSI drives, what do I need to install? I use the SCSI very infrequently, so my question is more about getting an education than solving a problem. What do you use the SCSI for? You could use a USB-SCSI adapter. However to get hi-speed performance you'd need a USB 2.0 card which usually have the same sleep problems. USB cards with the NEC chipset do not have the sleep problems, I have one in my Mirror Door G4. There is, I think, a FW-SCSI adapter but they are rare and expensive. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Next for PPC?
Howdy, Some people run Linux on Macs because they appreciate some advantage of Linux as an OS and like some physical characteristic of the Apple hardware. It may be styling. The BW G3 case is the best looking consumer tower PC ever made, as far as I am concerned. At one time, Apple hardware was made better than most other PCs. I am not saying it is bad now, just that I don't see any quality advantages. I like Mac laptops, but they have one of the highest failure rates in the business. I know people who run Linux on PPC Apples for security reasons. If you run into malicious web sites, you are really unlikely to find someone who coded it to handle a PPC Linux machine. You can't depend on that alone, but it is another layer of security. Some people do it to be different. Sometimes, there is a practical reason. I setup Linux on an old G3 iMac for a client once to act as a backup appleshare server. The software we needed was not in OSX, but was in OSX server. It was a temporary need, while a big server was down. So, I just used Linux and it solved our need. You are right that an interesting thing these days is that we can bring other operating systems to Mac hardware and unofficially, it is possible to bring the Apple OS to other hardware. There is some nice symmetry there. That's nice for me in the long run, because I don't ever see myself buying an Apple x86 machine. Above OS choice, I am adamant about freedom and the treacherous firmware in the Apple x86 machines is not something I would accept. Not even if you gave me the machine would I accept it. Good luck and have some fun, Ralph On Tue, 2009-09-01 at 10:59 -0700, John Niven wrote: Every time I approached loading Linux on a Mac I'd always ask myself why? It used to be that the unique thing about Macs was that they ran Mac OS! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
powermac g4 with 1.8GHZ sonnet won't install osx
I was given a non working powermac g4 with a sonnet 1.8GHZ upgrade in it. The problem is that it won't install any os. With leopard it just says that the install failed. could not validated the basesystem package. I have tried replacing the optical drive, using a different installer to no avail. When i ran the apple hardware test it said that there was a problem with the mother board. Could the result be affected by the sonnet chip? I want to make sure that is the problem before I buy a motherboard. Thanks!!! -Jonas --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Ultra-SCSI on a G4
I'm not sure about the sleep problem and this is a wild stab; but some of the ATTO series such as the 320 SCSI UL3D card might work. --- On Tue, 9/1/09, Clark Martin cm...@sonic.net wrote: From: Clark Martin cm...@sonic.net Subject: Re: Ultra-SCSI on a G4 To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 6:34 PM Lawrence David Eden wrote: Greetings, I have an Adaptec AHA-2930B(Mac) that prevents my G4 from waking from sleep. I have removed the card and the Mac sleeps and wakes on demand. So, if I want to connect my external SCSI drives, what do I need to install? I use the SCSI very infrequently, so my question is more about getting an education than solving a problem. What do you use the SCSI for? You could use a USB-SCSI adapter. However to get hi-speed performance you'd need a USB 2.0 card which usually have the same sleep problems. There is, I think, a FW-SCSI adapter but they are rare and expensive. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: powermac g4 with 1.8GHZ sonnet won't install osx
Jonas Ulrich wrote: I was given a non working powermac g4 with a sonnet 1.8GHZ upgrade in it. The problem is that it won't install any os. With leopard it just says that the install failed. could not validated the basesystem package. I have tried replacing the optical drive, using a different installer to no avail. When i ran the apple hardware test it said that there was a problem with the mother board. Could the result be affected by the sonnet chip? I want to make sure that is the problem before I buy a motherboard. Thanks!!! It could be both the installer and the AHT not liking the upgrade just because it's not original equipment. Try doing the install from another computer, mounting the PMG4 HD via Target Disk Mode. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Next for PPC?
Hey Ralph, Which laptops are you talking about??? I have 4 clamshells one I bought brand new, the only problem I ever had was with the brand new one which was a demo display from Sears when they used to sell them... I had to have the HD replaced 6 months after I got it and it was because of all the miss use from customers who probably were not Apple people trying to use it... They all still run great!!! I have a lot of friends who own them and no one I know ever had trouble with them, G3's and G4's!!! Maybe it might be all the Intel Mac's that are having trouble??? Steve Jobs only went that route because he couldn't get the G5's to run in a laptop because of the heat it was producing and when his engineers couldn't come up with something he went to Intel, that's how I remember it!!! Was there more trouble with the so called Apple laptops then the PC's??? I remember fixing a whole bunch of PC's and never even had an Apple apart... I also remember dropping my clamshells and they still would boot up and run great!!! CoolKat -Original Message- From: Ralph Green sfrea...@sbcglobal.net Sent: Sep 1, 2009 9:47 PM To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Next for PPC? Howdy, Some people run Linux on Macs because they appreciate some advantage of Linux as an OS and like some physical characteristic of the Apple hardware. It may be styling. The BW G3 case is the best looking consumer tower PC ever made, as far as I am concerned. At one time, Apple hardware was made better than most other PCs. I am not saying it is bad now, just that I don't see any quality advantages. I like Mac laptops, but they have one of the highest failure rates in the business. I know people who run Linux on PPC Apples for security reasons. If you run into malicious web sites, you are really unlikely to find someone who coded it to handle a PPC Linux machine. You can't depend on that alone, but it is another layer of security. Some people do it to be different. Sometimes, there is a practical reason. I setup Linux on an old G3 iMac for a client once to act as a backup appleshare server. The software we needed was not in OSX, but was in OSX server. It was a temporary need, while a big server was down. So, I just used Linux and it solved our need. You are right that an interesting thing these days is that we can bring other operating systems to Mac hardware and unofficially, it is possible to bring the Apple OS to other hardware. There is some nice symmetry there. That's nice for me in the long run, because I don't ever see myself buying an Apple x86 machine. Above OS choice, I am adamant about freedom and the treacherous firmware in the Apple x86 machines is not something I would accept. Not even if you gave me the machine would I accept it. Good luck and have some fun, Ralph On Tue, 2009-09-01 at 10:59 -0700, John Niven wrote: Every time I approached loading Linux on a Mac I'd always ask myself why? It used to be that the unique thing about Macs was that they ran Mac OS! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Ultra-SCSI on a G4
On Sep 1, 1:07 pm, Lawrence David Eden lde...@comcast.net wrote: So, if I want to connect my external SCSI drives, what do I need to install? I use the SCSI very infrequently, so my question is more about getting an education than solving a problem. Why don't people give a list of their hardware, and specify which OS they are using when asking for help on this forum? Here are some SCSI host adapters that work with Macs: http://tinyurl.com/mby7pp ATTO ExpressPCI (PCI-X) http://tinyurl.com/kuwpks Adaptec PCI SCSI cards http://tinyurl.com/kkdal7 Acard AEC-6712TUM 20MB/s http://tinyurl.com/mdz28s Acard AEC-6712WM 40MB/s http://tinyurl.com/nyfped Acard AEC-67162M 160MB/s Most do not have deep sleep issues. You need to check the firmware, and update to the latest version from the manufacturer's site. ATTO and Acard make the most compatible controllers for Mac. They are sometimes difficult to find. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Next for PPC?
Howdy CoolKat, Yes, I was referring to the Intel laptops. The PPC laptops seem to have been solid designs, for the most part. I just got a G3/700 iBook and it works very well and looks very nice. I have seen speculation that Apple let Intel design at least the first generation of x86 laptops, since Apple had so much to deal with during the transition and Intel may not have been as focused on quality as Apple was. I don't know what the problem was, and I have not followed it closely. Mainly, I remember seeing consumer surveys that showed very high failure rates for the x86 Apple laptops and that is where I got that impression from. I believe the Apple desktops came out as one of the best, so it is not a overall x86 Apple problem. I have several friends with recent Apple laptops. The failure rate among that group has been high, too. Good day, Ralph On Tue, 2009-09-01 at 23:50 -0400, Richard Gerome wrote: Hey Ralph, Which laptops are you talking about??? I have 4 clamshells one I bought brand new, the only problem I ever had... Maybe it might be all the Intel Mac's that are having trouble??? -Original Message- From: Ralph Green sfrea...@sbcglobal.net Sent: Sep 1, 2009 9:47 PM I like Mac laptops, but they have one of the highest failure rates in the business. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
