Re: [Audyssey] Linux vs Windows was Windows 7
I have ms office. I used to use it in tech. However most stuff is now all opensource, in programming class I used devpascan and freepascal 2 opensource things, I don't think they would mind if I showed up with openoffice. At 05:48 p.m. 18/08/2008, you wrote: I'm running xp pro on all my machines. If I ever get a sony vaio, it won't have vista- I hate it. I only wonder how much longer sony will be providing drivers for xp, sigh. I'd love to run Ubuntu on this HP laptop, I just don't know if I'll be able to get drivers for it- better yet, run it on an older desktop I have. I agree with you about the motherboard, that's dumb- buy a new license? No way! And Microsoft office- I don't even have it hear. People are telling me get ms office! at school. I tell them to give me 400 dollars and I will. I hardly use excel, power point and whatnot. I'm proficient enough with them, so why bother buying something I'll never use when they're is a free alternitive? In terms of games, I only mud, it would have been neat to see VMud go to linux. Have a good day from Tyler C. Wood! contact details: email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: the_conman283 system details: Hp pavillion dv5220CA notebook pc AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-37 2.0 GHZ, 1024 mb DDR ram, Fujitsu 100 gb 4500 RPM Hard Drive, connecsant AC-link audio - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 7:43 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Linux vs Windows was Windows 7 Hi Tom, Well, Linux is definitely at the point that a blind user could technically adopt it as his or her only operating system. I generally use Ubuntu Linux 8.04 much more than Windows Vista or XP these days. Thanks to major accessibility improvements to the graphical Gnome desktop environment over the passed five years there is quite a growing number of Windows-like applications available to a blind Linux user such as: a MS Office clone called Open Office, a MS Outlook clone called Evolution, Mozilla Firefox 3.0, a notepad clone called gedit, a Winzip clone called File-Roller, etc. However, like a lot of blind Linux users I do keep a Windows computer on hand for a few apps that I can't either get for Linux or the Windows applications are just nicer to use. For example, Linux doesn't really currently offer a really good OCR package. There are a few OCR programs such as tesserad-ocr which works, but Openbook 8 blows it away in scanning clarity, with its scan and read features, etc. On a low budget PC something like Tesserad-ocr and a Linux compatible scanner will work. However, Openbook is certainly prefered if you have the money to spend for it. Since I already own a license for Openbook 8 I don't have any problems keeping a Windows work station around for scanning materials. Another application I use on Windows is Sony Soundforge 9. While there is a pretty decent sound editor for Linux, Audacity, it isn't Soundforge quality. As agame designer and musician I want the best and most accessible sound editing software possible. So that expensive software alone is one reason I keep Windows around rather than using a Linux alternative at this time. Finally, there is the issue of accessible gaming. Most of the new games coming out are Windows only such as the Kitchens Inc games, GMA Games, Shades of Doom, etc. That puts a Linux user in the position of trying to get wine, the Windows emulator, to run them, use avirtual machine, or keepp a Windows box around for gaming. That isn't to say gaming on Linux is non-existant. Most of the Adrift 4.0 games can be played with scare 3.9 and later. They are fairly accessible, and many Linux gaming hours have been spent playing The PK Girl and other Adrift games. Also there is a Linux port of fritz. Once you apt-get it from the Ubuntu update service you can play the inform interactive fiction games. So between scare and fritz that gives a Linux user several text adventures to play. The latest release of gnome-mud seams to be quite accessible and user friendly. You can play Diskworld, Alter Eon, Miriani, or any other mud using gnome-mud. Then, there is your web based games like Sryth. I've found it tricky to play using Firefox for Linux, but can be done. I haven't tried other games besides Sryth, but generally if they work with Firefox for Windows you can play them in Firefox for Linux too. As you might have read I am rewriting all of my games with a new multiplatform engine so I can enjoy them on a Mac, Linux, or Windows PC. I've come to relise that far too many developers are so dependant on Windows only technologies most don't even know how to break loose from it and take a wider view of the computing world. Microsoft, the evil empire, while not a monopoly per say, still holds a solid 80% of the software market. That is too bad, because for ablind user Mac OS and Linux are a much
Re: [Audyssey] Linux vs Windows was Windows 7
Hi Tyler, Well, the best way to know if your HP works with Linux is to grab the Ubuntu 8.04 cd and boot into live mode. Live mode allows you to run a minimal Linux os off the cd which allows yyou to test the os with your hardware, recover files, and so on. Obviously, it runs much slower in live mode than an actual install, but I use that feature a lot when evaluating what hardware works, needs drivers, and trouble shooting any possible issues before I run an install. Generally, Compaq, HP, and Del computers do well with Ubuntu. As far as your computer being an older machine as long as it was made in the last 5 years or so Ubuntu should run fine on it. Linux is not a resource hog like Vista. The Linux system I am running right now is a 1.2 GHZ Intel Pentium, with 512 MB of ram, and a 80 GB hard drive. Not enough power to run Vista well, but Ubuntu took to it like a duck in water. In other words it works fine. On Sun, 2008-08-17 at 23:48 -0600, constantine (on laptop) wrote: I'm running xp pro on all my machines. If I ever get a sony vaio, it won't have vista- I hate it. I only wonder how much longer sony will be providing drivers for xp, sigh. I'd love to run Ubuntu on this HP laptop, I just don't know if I'll be able to get drivers for it- better yet, run it on an older desktop I have. I agree with you about the motherboard, that's dumb- buy a new license? No way! And Microsoft office- I don't even have it hear. People are telling me get ms office! at school. I tell them to give me 400 dollars and I will. I hardly use excel, power point and whatnot. I'm proficient enough with them, so why bother buying something I'll never use when they're is a free alternitive? In terms of games, I only mud, it would have been neat to see VMud go to linux. Have a good day from Tyler C. Wood! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Linux vs Windows was Windows 7
Hi Shaun, The thing is I had the 60 day trial of MS Office 2007, and I personally thought it sucked. I can't stand the new menu strip thing they added to replace the standard menu bar. Not only that MS has been adding a lot of junk to Office for the last 10 years like the not so friendly Office Assistant that loves to pop up and get in your way. I always have to kill that thing before using Word, Excel, and Acccess. The thing I like about Open Office and Sun Star Office is they are compatible with MS Office documents, but come with all the good features of the MS Offfice package, and leaves out the unnecessary garbage like MS Offfice Asssistant to name one. Oh, and did I mention that Sun Star Offfice is written in Java, and it can be installed and run on any OS that has a Java runtime and the Java Access Bridge. Mac OS comes with the Java access bridge pre-installed, the bridge can be compiled and installed on Ubuntu, and Windows and Jaws work with Star Offfice so it is not a bad option if you want to get away from MS Offfice. On Mon, 2008-08-18 at 19:07 +1200, shaun everiss wrote: I have ms office. I used to use it in tech. However most stuff is now all opensource, in programming class I used devpascan and freepascal 2 opensource things, I don't think they would mind if I showed up with openoffice. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Linux vs Windows was Windows 7
Hmm. It's too bad Macs don't have a mud client that reads automaticly yet. Then again, I guess Linux is the better OS here again in terms of the screen reader because it's been worked on even before VoiceOver even existed. I do suppose with each OS release VO is getting better but I think it'll be a long way from Orca and such. Also, I wonder how with VMware Fusion how to install Linux. I'm seriously thinking of trying it out, thing is I just want linux, and there's so much packages available. I just wish there was a self installer that'd just install the gnome thing and be done with it. - Original Message - From: constantine (on laptop) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 1:48 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Linux vs Windows was Windows 7 I'm running xp pro on all my machines. If I ever get a sony vaio, it won't have vista- I hate it. I only wonder how much longer sony will be providing drivers for xp, sigh. I'd love to run Ubuntu on this HP laptop, I just don't know if I'll be able to get drivers for it- better yet, run it on an older desktop I have. I agree with you about the motherboard, that's dumb- buy a new license? No way! And Microsoft office- I don't even have it hear. People are telling me get ms office! at school. I tell them to give me 400 dollars and I will. I hardly use excel, power point and whatnot. I'm proficient enough with them, so why bother buying something I'll never use when they're is a free alternitive? In terms of games, I only mud, it would have been neat to see VMud go to linux. Have a good day from Tyler C. Wood! contact details: email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: the_conman283 system details: Hp pavillion dv5220CA notebook pc AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-37 2.0 GHZ, 1024 mb DDR ram, Fujitsu 100 gb 4500 RPM Hard Drive, connecsant AC-link audio - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 7:43 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Linux vs Windows was Windows 7 Hi Tom, Well, Linux is definitely at the point that a blind user could technically adopt it as his or her only operating system. I generally use Ubuntu Linux 8.04 much more than Windows Vista or XP these days. Thanks to major accessibility improvements to the graphical Gnome desktop environment over the passed five years there is quite a growing number of Windows-like applications available to a blind Linux user such as: a MS Office clone called Open Office, a MS Outlook clone called Evolution, Mozilla Firefox 3.0, a notepad clone called gedit, a Winzip clone called File-Roller, etc. However, like a lot of blind Linux users I do keep a Windows computer on hand for a few apps that I can't either get for Linux or the Windows applications are just nicer to use. For example, Linux doesn't really currently offer a really good OCR package. There are a few OCR programs such as tesserad-ocr which works, but Openbook 8 blows it away in scanning clarity, with its scan and read features, etc. On a low budget PC something like Tesserad-ocr and a Linux compatible scanner will work. However, Openbook is certainly prefered if you have the money to spend for it. Since I already own a license for Openbook 8 I don't have any problems keeping a Windows work station around for scanning materials. Another application I use on Windows is Sony Soundforge 9. While there is a pretty decent sound editor for Linux, Audacity, it isn't Soundforge quality. As agame designer and musician I want the best and most accessible sound editing software possible. So that expensive software alone is one reason I keep Windows around rather than using a Linux alternative at this time. Finally, there is the issue of accessible gaming. Most of the new games coming out are Windows only such as the Kitchens Inc games, GMA Games, Shades of Doom, etc. That puts a Linux user in the position of trying to get wine, the Windows emulator, to run them, use avirtual machine, or keepp a Windows box around for gaming. That isn't to say gaming on Linux is non-existant. Most of the Adrift 4.0 games can be played with scare 3.9 and later. They are fairly accessible, and many Linux gaming hours have been spent playing The PK Girl and other Adrift games. Also there is a Linux port of fritz. Once you apt-get it from the Ubuntu update service you can play the inform interactive fiction games. So between scare and fritz that gives a Linux user several text adventures to play. The latest release of gnome-mud seams to be quite accessible and user friendly. You can play Diskworld, Alter Eon, Miriani, or any other mud using gnome-mud. Then, there is your web based games like Sryth. I've found it tricky to play using Firefox for Linux, but can be done. I haven't tried other games besides Sryth, but generally if they
[Audyssey] I give up.
I am so fed up. All I want to do is use fs2002, FSNavigator, FSUIPC and PMSounds, but FSUIPC refuses to interface with PMSounds even though it is fully registered. Project magenta don't seem to know why. While I'm on the subject of FS2002 can someone please tell me how to take off? Lindsay Cowell --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] =iso-8859-1quitemiriani_ga me_questionworldas_, Pms,'ounds=
tyler, who are you in miriani any wai -Mensagem original- De: constantine \(on laptop\) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para: Andy [EMAIL PROTECTED],Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Data: Domingo, 17 de Agosto de 2008 23:41 Assunto: Re: [Audyssey] =iso-8859-1quitemiriani_game_questionworldas_, Pms,'ounds= Ok, I am only going to say this once. Miriani is a player versus player game. It says stranding is legal. Now I'm not one of the stranders. And I don't believe in stranding without a cause, or shooting ships just because. So I keep a low profile and, by doing so, present a hard target for people to shoot at. I'd like to point out one thing, however, and that's keep moving! Never stop in space. Have a good day from Tyler C. Wood! contact details: email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: the_conman283 system details: Hp pavillion dv5220CA notebook pc AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-37 2.0 GHZ, 1024 mb DDR ram, Fujitsu 100 gb 4500 RPM Hard Drive, connecsant AC-link audio - Original Message - From: Andy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] =iso-8859-1quitemiriani_game_questionworldas_, Pms, 'ounds= Well, I was stunned and stranded like 12 times in one week, had ships shot down but I played anyway. So, to rid myself of it I yelled over chatter my lj, and miriani sucked. Perfect, now I'm banned and can rid myself of the pathetic Establishment. On 17 Aug 2008 10:5:10 -0300, Mauricio peixoto de Mattos Almeida wrote: iaiai! enjoy my fun news'! the system has changed!!! now, if the person leads you and grabs you into they're ship, the drones won't shoot you! so, you may back into our dear galaxy! mauricio -Mensagem original- De: Willem [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED],Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Data: Domingo, 17 de Agosto de 2008 15:01 Assunto: Re: [Audyssey] miriani game question was PMSounds I left because people with lots of security drones would stun me and strand me for no reason. Or they would shoot at my ship with their battle cruiser because they enjoy being idiots. This was one particular person. And it wasn't only me that got targeted. That isn't my idea of a fun game if you can do that. - Original Message - From: Mauricio peixoto de Mattos Almeida [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 12:00 AM Subject: [Audyssey] miriani game question was PMSounds i suppose this game has already been discussed here, but, as i play it 14 hours a day. i have a question: who elce play miriani. if you played and left, why did you? i remember this topic but i was just signing into the list so well well, here it is again! mauricio -Mensagem original- De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Data: Domingo, 17 de Agosto de 2008 04:20 Assunto: Re: [Audyssey] PMSounds I don't want to disable the sounds as such, I just want to make sure the sounds are enabled as i am getting no sound from PMSounds at all and I am sure my sound card should be able to cope with jaws, the sounds from FS2002 and PMSounds as my computer is brand new. When i load PMSounds it says sound device loaded but nothing happens. Lindsay cowell. - original message - Subject:Re: [Audyssey] PMSounds From:Mauricio peixoto de Mattos Almeida [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date:17/08/2008 2:38 am lindsay. i used fs 2002 for hages,.. but wlel,l i don't know because i never thought anyone would want to disable sounds mauricio almeida -Mensagem original- De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para: gamers@audyssey.org Data: Domingo, 17 de Agosto de 2008 03:01 Assunto: [Audyssey] PMSounds Hi folks, is it possible for a blind person to enable/disable the sounds in PMSounds for FS2002 themselves and how do you do it? Lindsay Cowell --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL
Re: [Audyssey] Linux vs Windows was Windows 7
Hi Josh, Gnome 2.20 and Orca 2.20 ship with Ubuntu 8.04 out of the box. There is no need to grab Gnome independantly. In fact, if you want to try Linux before installing it Ubuntu8.04 comes on a bootible cd which you place in your cd drive, reboot your system, and if you press enter on the first two screens it will boot directly to a minimal Gnome desktop. It is just one more step to do alt+f2 and type orca, followed by enter. Answer Orcas questions do an alt+control+backspace wait for the little drumb beat, press enter, and you have a fully functional, and talking Gnome desktop. Of course, if you want to add applications such as gnome-mud to play muds then you have to install the os to get upgrades, get better system performence, add applications, get mp3, wma, quicktime, and other plugins to your installation. Now, I have to agree hear that Linux's screen reader Orca is much better with playing muds than Apple's VoiceOver for one very important reason. Orca is written in pure Python 2.5, and because it is based on a scripting language you can write custom scripts for gnome-mud to read out text areas in gnome-mud which you can't do in VoiceOver. Orca's scripting capabilities really makes it as powerful as Jaws in that respect because if you have the scripting know-how you can make Orca do a lot of things VoiceOver on Mac can only dream about at this time. Also Orca has a review cursor, similar to Jaws's invisible cursor, that allows you to move around the screen and find out what is happening in your mud. VoiceOver's lack of an invisible/review cursor seriously makes it less than ideal when playing muds and even interactive fiction games on a Mac. In fact, I seriously looked at buying a Mac this passed winter, but in the end I decided to buy a Compaq 500 series notebook that I recently put Ubuntu 8.04 on. The main reason I chose Linux over the Mac is that Orca's scripting abilities and added review functionality in many respects makes it the better screen reader, and while I liked VoiceOver it has some catching up to do. Also Orca has a special formatting mode I can turn on that tells me specifically how my Java source code is aligned, and I can easily identify what level of a block statement I am in without having to use a braille display. Few screen readers offers as detailed virble feedback on the formatting of C, C++, Python, and Java source code as Orca does. Cheers. Orin wrote: Hmm. It's too bad Macs don't have a mud client that reads automaticly yet. Then again, I guess Linux is the better OS here again in terms of the screen reader because it's been worked on even before VoiceOver even existed. I do suppose with each OS release VO is getting better but I think it'll be a long way from Orca and such. Also, I wonder how with VMware Fusion how to install Linux. I'm seriously thinking of trying it out, thing is I just want linux, and there's so much packages available. I just wish there was a self installer that'd just install the gnome thing and be done with it. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Audyssey] forums at the blind-games website
Hi. I know that there are a load of people that are on here that do the tests at blind-games.com forums. Does anyone have any idea how to navigate the thing. Its a mess. I posted on there about it but I have no idea if it went in the right place or if I should post to 2 places. Truth of the matter is that I may have to quit, not saying I will at this stage but this forum is a real pain. I managed to post about the stuff I have managed to get from testing the game however I wll be on vacation for 14 days starting this friday. And thee when I return I will have updates, journals, blogs, email, etc to do to my system as wel as others. Then there is the forum. I thought I could live with it yesterday but today, its got really bad. Ok maybe I'm just not used to forums but can there be alternits for those that don't like forums or have issues with them? I know jason you are trying your best but this forum system is really doing my head in. Can you please try to fix it? Sorry all for posting this on here but I thought I should really ask. If anyone has ideas how I can navigate things ok then tell me please. If I need firefox or something I'll do it, I have ie6 for now but if its easier I can do it easily. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Linux vs Windows was Windows 7
I have a copy of office 2003. You can have the assistant not install as well as some of the more bad features, but you are right on later versions. At 02:30 a.m. 19/08/2008, you wrote: Hi Shaun, The thing is I had the 60 day trial of MS Office 2007, and I personally thought it sucked. I can't stand the new menu strip thing they added to replace the standard menu bar. Not only that MS has been adding a lot of junk to Office for the last 10 years like the not so friendly Office Assistant that loves to pop up and get in your way. I always have to kill that thing before using Word, Excel, and Acccess. The thing I like about Open Office and Sun Star Office is they are compatible with MS Office documents, but come with all the good features of the MS Offfice package, and leaves out the unnecessary garbage like MS Offfice Asssistant to name one. Oh, and did I mention that Sun Star Offfice is written in Java, and it can be installed and run on any OS that has a Java runtime and the Java Access Bridge. Mac OS comes with the Java access bridge pre-installed, the bridge can be compiled and installed on Ubuntu, and Windows and Jaws work with Star Offfice so it is not a bad option if you want to get away from MS Offfice. On Mon, 2008-08-18 at 19:07 +1200, shaun everiss wrote: I have ms office. I used to use it in tech. However most stuff is now all opensource, in programming class I used devpascan and freepascal 2 opensource things, I don't think they would mind if I showed up with openoffice. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] forums at the blind-games website
Hi Shawn, I posted to your Post on the Forum. And it did go in the correct area. It just takes time to get used to Forum layouts. I've had one that was far worse then this one. But, I did send a PM to Jason about maybe having where it sends a email to anybody that enable the feature of any new postings. This may help some. Peace. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of shaun everiss Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 2:35 PM To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] forums at the blind-games website Hi. I know that there are a load of people that are on here that do the tests at blind-games.com forums. Does anyone have any idea how to navigate the thing. Its a mess. I posted on there about it but I have no idea if it went in the right place or if I should post to 2 places. Truth of the matter is that I may have to quit, not saying I will at this stage but this forum is a real pain. I managed to post about the stuff I have managed to get from testing the game however I wll be on vacation for 14 days starting this friday. And thee when I return I will have updates, journals, blogs, email, etc to do to my system as wel as others. Then there is the forum. I thought I could live with it yesterday but today, its got really bad. Ok maybe I'm just not used to forums but can there be alternits for those that don't like forums or have issues with them? I know jason you are trying your best but this forum system is really doing my head in. Can you please try to fix it? Sorry all for posting this on here but I thought I should really ask. If anyone has ideas how I can navigate things ok then tell me please. If I need firefox or something I'll do it, I have ie6 for now but if its easier I can do it easily. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Linux vs Windows was Windows 7
Hi there Do you have to buy ubuntu? Or is it open-source, and burnable to a cd? thanks. Btw, I'm running a 1.3 ghz, AMD Duron, 256 mb ram for my desktop--It even has USB 1 ports! imagine! Have a good day from Tyler C. Wood! contact details: email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: the_conman283 system details: Hp pavillion dv5220CA notebook pc AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-37 2.0 GHZ, 1024 mb DDR ram, Fujitsu 100 gb 4500 RPM Hard Drive, connecsant AC-link audio - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Linux vs Windows was Windows 7 Hi Josh, Gnome 2.20 and Orca 2.20 ship with Ubuntu 8.04 out of the box. There is no need to grab Gnome independantly. In fact, if you want to try Linux before installing it Ubuntu8.04 comes on a bootible cd which you place in your cd drive, reboot your system, and if you press enter on the first two screens it will boot directly to a minimal Gnome desktop. It is just one more step to do alt+f2 and type orca, followed by enter. Answer Orcas questions do an alt+control+backspace wait for the little drumb beat, press enter, and you have a fully functional, and talking Gnome desktop. Of course, if you want to add applications such as gnome-mud to play muds then you have to install the os to get upgrades, get better system performence, add applications, get mp3, wma, quicktime, and other plugins to your installation. Now, I have to agree hear that Linux's screen reader Orca is much better with playing muds than Apple's VoiceOver for one very important reason. Orca is written in pure Python 2.5, and because it is based on a scripting language you can write custom scripts for gnome-mud to read out text areas in gnome-mud which you can't do in VoiceOver. Orca's scripting capabilities really makes it as powerful as Jaws in that respect because if you have the scripting know-how you can make Orca do a lot of things VoiceOver on Mac can only dream about at this time. Also Orca has a review cursor, similar to Jaws's invisible cursor, that allows you to move around the screen and find out what is happening in your mud. VoiceOver's lack of an invisible/review cursor seriously makes it less than ideal when playing muds and even interactive fiction games on a Mac. In fact, I seriously looked at buying a Mac this passed winter, but in the end I decided to buy a Compaq 500 series notebook that I recently put Ubuntu 8.04 on. The main reason I chose Linux over the Mac is that Orca's scripting abilities and added review functionality in many respects makes it the better screen reader, and while I liked VoiceOver it has some catching up to do. Also Orca has a special formatting mode I can turn on that tells me specifically how my Java source code is aligned, and I can easily identify what level of a block statement I am in without having to use a braille display. Few screen readers offers as detailed virble feedback on the formatting of C, C++, Python, and Java source code as Orca does. Cheers. Orin wrote: Hmm. It's too bad Macs don't have a mud client that reads automaticly yet. Then again, I guess Linux is the better OS here again in terms of the screen reader because it's been worked on even before VoiceOver even existed. I do suppose with each OS release VO is getting better but I think it'll be a long way from Orca and such. Also, I wonder how with VMware Fusion how to install Linux. I'm seriously thinking of trying it out, thing is I just want linux, and there's so much packages available. I just wish there was a self installer that'd just install the gnome thing and be done with it. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.5/1619 - Release Date: 8/18/2008 5:39 PM --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Linux vs Windows was Windows 7
TYlor, Go to www.ubuntu.com. it's a downloadable iso image, completely free. Aiden - Original Message - From: constantine (on laptop) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 6:26 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Linux vs Windows was Windows 7 Hi there Do you have to buy ubuntu? Or is it open-source, and burnable to a cd? thanks. Btw, I'm running a 1.3 ghz, AMD Duron, 256 mb ram for my desktop--It even has USB 1 ports! imagine! Have a good day from Tyler C. Wood! contact details: email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: the_conman283 system details: Hp pavillion dv5220CA notebook pc AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-37 2.0 GHZ, 1024 mb DDR ram, Fujitsu 100 gb 4500 RPM Hard Drive, connecsant AC-link audio - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Linux vs Windows was Windows 7 Hi Josh, Gnome 2.20 and Orca 2.20 ship with Ubuntu 8.04 out of the box. There is no need to grab Gnome independantly. In fact, if you want to try Linux before installing it Ubuntu8.04 comes on a bootible cd which you place in your cd drive, reboot your system, and if you press enter on the first two screens it will boot directly to a minimal Gnome desktop. It is just one more step to do alt+f2 and type orca, followed by enter. Answer Orcas questions do an alt+control+backspace wait for the little drumb beat, press enter, and you have a fully functional, and talking Gnome desktop. Of course, if you want to add applications such as gnome-mud to play muds then you have to install the os to get upgrades, get better system performence, add applications, get mp3, wma, quicktime, and other plugins to your installation. Now, I have to agree hear that Linux's screen reader Orca is much better with playing muds than Apple's VoiceOver for one very important reason. Orca is written in pure Python 2.5, and because it is based on a scripting language you can write custom scripts for gnome-mud to read out text areas in gnome-mud which you can't do in VoiceOver. Orca's scripting capabilities really makes it as powerful as Jaws in that respect because if you have the scripting know-how you can make Orca do a lot of things VoiceOver on Mac can only dream about at this time. Also Orca has a review cursor, similar to Jaws's invisible cursor, that allows you to move around the screen and find out what is happening in your mud. VoiceOver's lack of an invisible/review cursor seriously makes it less than ideal when playing muds and even interactive fiction games on a Mac. In fact, I seriously looked at buying a Mac this passed winter, but in the end I decided to buy a Compaq 500 series notebook that I recently put Ubuntu 8.04 on. The main reason I chose Linux over the Mac is that Orca's scripting abilities and added review functionality in many respects makes it the better screen reader, and while I liked VoiceOver it has some catching up to do. Also Orca has a special formatting mode I can turn on that tells me specifically how my Java source code is aligned, and I can easily identify what level of a block statement I am in without having to use a braille display. Few screen readers offers as detailed virble feedback on the formatting of C, C++, Python, and Java source code as Orca does. Cheers. Orin wrote: Hmm. It's too bad Macs don't have a mud client that reads automaticly yet. Then again, I guess Linux is the better OS here again in terms of the screen reader because it's been worked on even before VoiceOver even existed. I do suppose with each OS release VO is getting better but I think it'll be a long way from Orca and such. Also, I wonder how with VMware Fusion how to install Linux. I'm seriously thinking of trying it out, thing is I just want linux, and there's so much packages available. I just wish there was a self installer that'd just install the gnome thing and be done with it. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.5/1619 - Release Date: 8/18/2008 5:39 PM --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived
Re: [Audyssey] forums at the blind-games website
Unfortunately, I don't have a screen reader and I'm very new to making sites accessible. The forum over at audiogames.net is very popular, so I thought a forum would be okay. This one is currently stock, but I can, with some effort, try and remove anything that is interfering with it being accessible. If you have to quit, that's fine. Game testing can be very frustrating though. You need a lot of patience and the desire to explore all systems of the software. It might be better if you waited until a more mature version is available. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Linux vs Windows was Windows 7
A 695mb download. I got it to work, kind of. But I don't think my copy of it is working like it's supposed to. My installation got messed up, for example. But, then again, I installed it on an old hard drive for which the bios in that compac pops up a screen occasionally after I hit the power button stating that the drive has a failure iminent, press f1 to continue. - Original Message - From: constantine (on laptop) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 1:26 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Linux vs Windows was Windows 7 Hi there Do you have to buy ubuntu? Or is it open-source, and burnable to a cd? thanks. Btw, I'm running a 1.3 ghz, AMD Duron, 256 mb ram for my desktop--It even has USB 1 ports! imagine! Have a good day from Tyler C. Wood! contact details: email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: the_conman283 system details: Hp pavillion dv5220CA notebook pc AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-37 2.0 GHZ, 1024 mb DDR ram, Fujitsu 100 gb 4500 RPM Hard Drive, connecsant AC-link audio - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Linux vs Windows was Windows 7 Hi Josh, Gnome 2.20 and Orca 2.20 ship with Ubuntu 8.04 out of the box. There is no need to grab Gnome independantly. In fact, if you want to try Linux before installing it Ubuntu8.04 comes on a bootible cd which you place in your cd drive, reboot your system, and if you press enter on the first two screens it will boot directly to a minimal Gnome desktop. It is just one more step to do alt+f2 and type orca, followed by enter. Answer Orcas questions do an alt+control+backspace wait for the little drumb beat, press enter, and you have a fully functional, and talking Gnome desktop. Of course, if you want to add applications such as gnome-mud to play muds then you have to install the os to get upgrades, get better system performence, add applications, get mp3, wma, quicktime, and other plugins to your installation. Now, I have to agree hear that Linux's screen reader Orca is much better with playing muds than Apple's VoiceOver for one very important reason. Orca is written in pure Python 2.5, and because it is based on a scripting language you can write custom scripts for gnome-mud to read out text areas in gnome-mud which you can't do in VoiceOver. Orca's scripting capabilities really makes it as powerful as Jaws in that respect because if you have the scripting know-how you can make Orca do a lot of things VoiceOver on Mac can only dream about at this time. Also Orca has a review cursor, similar to Jaws's invisible cursor, that allows you to move around the screen and find out what is happening in your mud. VoiceOver's lack of an invisible/review cursor seriously makes it less than ideal when playing muds and even interactive fiction games on a Mac. In fact, I seriously looked at buying a Mac this passed winter, but in the end I decided to buy a Compaq 500 series notebook that I recently put Ubuntu 8.04 on. The main reason I chose Linux over the Mac is that Orca's scripting abilities and added review functionality in many respects makes it the better screen reader, and while I liked VoiceOver it has some catching up to do. Also Orca has a special formatting mode I can turn on that tells me specifically how my Java source code is aligned, and I can easily identify what level of a block statement I am in without having to use a braille display. Few screen readers offers as detailed virble feedback on the formatting of C, C++, Python, and Java source code as Orca does. Cheers. Orin wrote: Hmm. It's too bad Macs don't have a mud client that reads automaticly yet. Then again, I guess Linux is the better OS here again in terms of the screen reader because it's been worked on even before VoiceOver even existed. I do suppose with each OS release VO is getting better but I think it'll be a long way from Orca and such. Also, I wonder how with VMware Fusion how to install Linux. I'm seriously thinking of trying it out, thing is I just want linux, and there's so much packages available. I just wish there was a self installer that'd just install the gnome thing and be done with it. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.5/1619 - Release Date:
