Re: [Audyssey] Raceway was Montezuma's Revenge
Hi Crash, I look forward to hearing how you do on the Kirtland Dirt Mile Oval track. You are correct that the track does have 4 turns and four straightaways, two long and two very short ones. Don't forget that to make the kind of times that I mentioned you will need to run the track without using the brakes. Good luck and BFN Jim ... I couldn't repair the brakes, so I made the horn louder [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
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Hi Josh, Well I may convert Bop-it to a sapi5 version, but no I do not plan to convert Mach 1 or Pong to a sapi5 version. Pong of course will remain with Marcie's voice in memory of her and Mach 1 would need a total rewrite to convert it to sapi5 and I think that it is good as is. We all certainly had allot of fun for the years that Hugo organized the international Mach 1 racing competitions. BFN Jim The trouble with bucket seats is that not everybody has the same size bucket. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
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Hi Crash, I've got a little challenge for you. It is Mach 1 on the Kirtland Dirt Mile Oval track. The challenge is to run the track in high gear and do not use the brakes. To me it becomes like a sprint car track. You slide in and out of the turns and it takes split second timing. My record for 1 lap difficulty level 1 is 36 point 9 3 3 seconds My record for 2 laps difficulty level 1 is 1 minute 5 point 6 4 9 seconds It becomes even more challenging on difficulty level 2 and 3. But I just thought that I would put out the challenge on this track. When I built it I planned on using the brakes allot, but found out that one can make much better times if you don't. Good luck and BFN Jim Another day, another challenge. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
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Yeah, thats right, less on the brakes when going in to turns one and three. That being an oval track. You may think that there are only two turns in a oval, but to a racer there are four. Even on super spped ways, you will have short straight aways, but on shourt track like half hile and quarter hiles it looks like its just a 180 degrees turn. So, with this in mind when aproaching a turn on clay and depending on the condition of the track brakeing will away you to get through a turns. Use enough brake to slow you down and then turn the wheel enough to aim the frontend of your car at a certain point. You can image what happens next when apply brakes and turning to the left. If you were on a regular road you find yourself gong into a side ways spin and may even spinning out. But being on a clay that allows the wheels to slide, your racer is going to start to slow down from the braking while the front wheels still spinning - Original and are pointdown on the track your racer is doing a slow side ways slide where your back end wants Message - to come from behind your from the right. If this move is done correctly you now will have the car side ways andyour over 75 percent or more out of turn 2 or 4 its time to move your front wheels back to center and hit the gas for the front straight away or the back strech . This example is more for quarter iles and your late models that can make a lap in under 20 secs. It sounds like your example was a half mile and your time is good. Bigger the track the more speed you can get Bigger track you done need to turn as hard or brake as hard to force the heavy racer to switch direction like you have to do on a quarter mile whcih means your have to be even more precise when making the the turns. Not hitting the brake at the right time and you head right into thethe wall in turn 1 or 3. To much brake you can be reared ended, or have to notrace through the turn, but have to drive through it until you can get to a straight away to pick up some speed and hoping you have the spped to do the turn correctly. For turn the wheel to the right will really get you in trouble. But turning to much to the left could maek the racer spin out or even head into the infield and who nkows what kind of objexts you can run into in there. With all this have to do and consider, if you are good enough to get in a race, now there would even be others things to watch out for. With other cars on the track now one should know who is in front of them and behind. Like playing poker. Get to know your competition. Drivers and be good Bad and Ugly. A good drivr near you you can feel safe racing with him and you may want to join up with him. The Bad divers may be rookies and tend to make mistakes. The Ugly could be a combination of the two a driver who is like Earnhart good who charges who charges from start to finish. In effect drivers fall in to two categories. Racers: Who don't think of saving their car and charge . Drivers: They They will try to go as far as they can on saving gas and tires. Its the skill levels of these type of drivers that prove to be winners. Expert Racer will know when to try to save his equipment and the expert Driver will now when its time to charge. Smiles, thanks Jim for the Challenge, I may do just that some time. Actually in a few days I let people know what I just been doing with the Strat-o-Matic Basketball Computer game. Smiles, that was a challange, but I have this game now looking pretty good for Jaws users. Trying to get my Pre Jordan Bulls team to score a hundred and add Jaws frames was a challanging by itsself. But more about that in a day or so. Crash Ps Jim's racing a game is getting some play on FTP, so thanks for your hard work in creating games for the blind Jim. I know you will never make games to be played head to head on the net, but I do see the golf game now being played every day on For-the-Pople.com (FTP). Here's my suggestion in creating new games or upgrade games. See if you can think of ways to making the games even more playable, enjoyable and features that may inlucde being in a voice chat room. Lastly, FTP has even tourneys. I see a time that having a software able to say post result to a web page. This could be a commissioner tournament software. Either by manually inputting results or have the software able to grab results of the web then it can then create the web site results page. The software will allow the commissioner cearte the tourney web site on their own web host server. Whoa, sounds like another add on to raceWay. LOL. Later all! From: Jim Kitchen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gary Whittington Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 1:56 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Raceway was Montezuma's Revenge Hi Crash, I've got a little challenge for you. It is Mach 1 on the Kirtland Dirt Mile Oval track. The challenge is to run the track in high
Re: [Audyssey] Raceway was Montezuma's Revenge
A good racer will tell you that in order to finish first, first, you have to finish. - Original Message - From: Gary Whittington [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 10:21 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Raceway was Montezuma's Revenge Yeah, thats right, less on the brakes when going in to turns one and three. That being an oval track. You may think that there are only two turns in a oval, but to a racer there are four. Even on super spped ways, you will have short straight aways, but on shourt track like half hile and quarter hiles it looks like its just a 180 degrees turn. So, with this in mind when aproaching a turn on clay and depending on the condition of the track brakeing will away you to get through a turns. Use enough brake to slow you down and then turn the wheel enough to aim the frontend of your car at a certain point. You can image what happens next when apply brakes and turning to the left. If you were on a regular road you find yourself gong into a side ways spin and may even spinning out. But being on a clay that allows the wheels to slide, your racer is going to start to slow down from the braking while the front wheels still spinning - Original and are pointdown on the track your racer is doing a slow side ways slide where your back end wants Message - to come from behind your from the right. If this move is done correctly you now will have the car side ways andyour over 75 percent or more out of turn 2 or 4 its time to move your front wheels back to center and hit the gas for the front straight away or the back strech . This example is more for quarter iles and your late models that can make a lap in under 20 secs. It sounds like your example was a half mile and your time is good. Bigger the track the more speed you can get Bigger track you done need to turn as hard or brake as hard to force the heavy racer to switch direction like you have to do on a quarter mile whcih means your have to be even more precise when making the the turns. Not hitting the brake at the right time and you head right into thethe wall in turn 1 or 3. To much brake you can be reared ended, or have to notrace through the turn, but have to drive through it until you can get to a straight away to pick up some speed and hoping you have the spped to do the turn correctly. For turn the wheel to the right will really get you in trouble. But turning to much to the left could maek the racer spin out or even head into the infield and who nkows what kind of objexts you can run into in there. With all this have to do and consider, if you are good enough to get in a race, now there would even be others things to watch out for. With other cars on the track now one should know who is in front of them and behind. Like playing poker. Get to know your competition. Drivers and be good Bad and Ugly. A good drivr near you you can feel safe racing with him and you may want to join up with him. The Bad divers may be rookies and tend to make mistakes. The Ugly could be a combination of the two a driver who is like Earnhart good who charges who charges from start to finish. In effect drivers fall in to two categories. Racers: Who don't think of saving their car and charge . Drivers: They They will try to go as far as they can on saving gas and tires. Its the skill levels of these type of drivers that prove to be winners. Expert Racer will know when to try to save his equipment and the expert Driver will now when its time to charge. Smiles, thanks Jim for the Challenge, I may do just that some time. Actually in a few days I let people know what I just been doing with the Strat-o-Matic Basketball Computer game. Smiles, that was a challange, but I have this game now looking pretty good for Jaws users. Trying to get my Pre Jordan Bulls team to score a hundred and add Jaws frames was a challanging by itsself. But more about that in a day or so. Crash Ps Jim's racing a game is getting some play on FTP, so thanks for your hard work in creating games for the blind Jim. I know you will never make games to be played head to head on the net, but I do see the golf game now being played every day on For-the-Pople.com (FTP). Here's my suggestion in creating new games or upgrade games. See if you can think of ways to making the games even more playable, enjoyable and features that may inlucde being in a voice chat room. Lastly, FTP has even tourneys. I see a time that having a software able to say post result to a web page. This could be a commissioner tournament software. Either by manually inputting results or have the software able to grab results of the web then it can then create the web site results page. The software will allow the commissioner cearte the tourney web site on their own web host server. Whoa, sounds like another add
Re: [Audyssey] Raceway was Montezuma's Revenge
Jim, do you have any plans on converting the older games like bop-it and the mock1 raceing game to your new game and putting it in the menu system and adding sapi5 support? Josh - Original Message - From: Jim Kitchen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gary Whittington Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 4:56 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Raceway was Montezuma's Revenge Hi Crash, I've got a little challenge for you. It is Mach 1 on the Kirtland Dirt Mile Oval track. The challenge is to run the track in high gear and do not use the brakes. To me it becomes like a sprint car track. You slide in and out of the turns and it takes split second timing. My record for 1 lap difficulty level 1 is 36 point 9 3 3 seconds My record for 2 laps difficulty level 1 is 1 minute 5 point 6 4 9 seconds It becomes even more challenging on difficulty level 2 and 3. But I just thought that I would put out the challenge on this track. When I built it I planned on using the brakes allot, but found out that one can make much better times if you don't. Good luck and BFN Jim Another day, another challenge. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
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and error free. So with all this said, I'll head for the pits. Just remember that we are all cheering for you and pulling for you when things tend to go into the wall. We are behind you, drafting maybe a little to close at times, looking down your tail pipe, Smiles, just keep up the good work. God Bless your family and yourself. Crash - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Raceway was Montezuma's Revenge Hi Gary, I extremely value your opinions. That said I don't know how much of what you will tell me will make it to 1.0 release. Things like track editors, multiplayer racing, etc are all cool, and I am not against them. I am however bound by getting this production out in a timely manner and many of the things you mention would add to the time in development as well as additional time in researching various docs on how to add track editors. However, I am open to the idea of having an initial release and then building on to it as you said by adding rtracks, different types of racing, editors, network play, later on as the game grows and I have the cash to put better workmanship into the game. The sad thing here is that James North took all the preorders for this title, kept the cash for it, and so I am doing this all with personal funding and no outside funding. You can be sure I want to do my best on making this game, but I need to make some cash on it before I really throw myself on the project and add all the bels and wistles out there that can be done. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
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Hi Josh, At the moment I don't have commentary or sounds from something like NASCAR Thunder, but then again most of the sounds I am using for development are place holders as I look for better stuff. One thing gamers don't often realise is during game development developers don't always have all the sounds and stuff on hand while they are prototyping the code. Using your idea for commentary I would likely use something like Neospeech Paul to do all the commentary while developing testing, etc and then before the big 1.0 release get someone human to do the actual voicing. Same with car sounds, crashes, etc. Allot of what I have has been grabbed from the net. It is better than James North's sounds, but not much better. I still want to purchase a good sound library or something to really fill in the audio. Perhaps, James North was doing something similar as the sounds he had in the private betas kind of stunk. However, at this point it doesn't matter what Raceway sounds like as I don't intend what is currently in the game to remain unless I am unable to find better which I am sure I can. Josh wrote: Hi, will there be commentary in the raceway game? are you getting the sounds and commentary from a playstation game or pc raceing game like nasCar? Josh ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
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Monty is a resale item and should help with the cost of Raceway's development. So, build the dammist best Monty game you can so that is a nice huck of change for Raceway. Once I see MOnty is bug free when it is released I will add my donation to Raceway and get the Monty game. I would be doing the same with fPhils new game, but seeing some trouble on the list, had to hold my horses before getting the Sarah game. And there we are agin around the track of create games that will be a grat game to play and error free. So with all this said, I'll head for the pits. Just remember that we are all cheering for you and pulling for you when things tend to go into the wall. We are behind you, drafting maybe a little to close at times, looking down your tail pipe, Smiles, just keep up the good work. God Bless your family and yourself. Crash - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Raceway was Montezuma's Revenge Hi Gary, I extremely value your opinions. That said I don't know how much of what you will tell me will make it to 1.0 release. Things like track editors, multiplayer racing, etc are all cool, and I am not against them. I am however bound by getting this production out in a timely manner and many of the things you mention would add to the time in development as well as additional time in researching various docs on how to add track editors. However, I am open to the idea of having an initial release and then building on to it as you said by adding rtracks, different types of racing, editors, network play, later on as the game grows and I have the cash to put better workmanship into the game. The sad thing here is that James North took all the preorders for this title, kept the cash for it, and so I am doing this all with personal funding and no outside funding. You can be sure I want to do my best on making this game, but I need to make some cash on it before I really throw myself on the project and add all the bels and wistles out there that can be done. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
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Hi Gary, Quote One thing is in your favor when developing the game is that your the only one programming it and will, know all the ins and outs and keeping a dictionary of the varibles and such with a module type of application. When more then team of programmers are developing a project this does become a hamper to be sure. End quote All of my variables are stored in classes. I am a big believer in fully object oriented design and programming. There are actually no global variables. I merely create objects for the tracks and cars which reference the variables contained in the classes and subclasses. Not only does this make my programs more moduler and expandable, but it keeps the code nice and clean. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
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Hi Phil, Actually, during the initial track creation phase of the game I will be putting in something very similar to test the car and the tracks bbefore adding the A.I. cars. So all I need to do is release it as some official part of the game as track warm ups, etc... Phil Vlasak wrote: Hi Tom, I'm not suggesting releasing the ESP Raceway beta but you did give me an idea. How about having a mode where you are not racing other cars but sort of a training mode where you are the only car and learn how to drive around the track? You could call it qualification or timing trial mode. sincerely, Phil - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 8:57 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Raceway was Montezuma's Revenge Hi Shaun and all, Let me publically clear something up before everyone begins begging for something they probably wouldn't want after they got it. The original ESP Raceway beta releases were just that test releases of the game. As such the tracks were apparently there for testing purposes, and according to the version I have of the games source and the compiled beta there is no other cars. Your car is the only one. So if I were to put it out everyone would have to understand the old ESP VB 6 beta was developed to the point where you could drive around on the tracks but not really race. That element hadn't been introduced yet. Second, the USA Raceway version is a complete rewrite of the game, and I have changed many many things and the games aren't at all the same except for the Raceway name, and a few shared effects. Bottom line I know if I took the time to bundle it, put it on the web site, everyone would tinker with it for 10 minutes, get board, and uninstall it. That's litterally what it is worth in that current state. shaun everiss wrote: what is it like? I wander if you just release it to those that are bored enough. I myself am extremely bored, may have a crack at it for what its worth. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
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Yes, that a good mode as real drivers do testing during the off season to not to learn how to drive but test things out get to know the track and how the car responds with out traffic. This mode would be called more like testing. Nest mode is to learn to move around a certain track with traffic, its help to see how your car handles with other cars during drafting and see if any adjustments needed to the car to say save gas or tire wear. This mode is normally called fast laps. Once you feel you got your car right for a race its time to see if your and the car is good enough to qualify and what position you deserve. This could be done different ways and should be an option in the game. Daytona has a complete differnt way to qualify for a race, besides the time trails they group the line up SNp or Standard National Points. This race alow many different racers in to the race as long as they can qualify, from Nascar drivers to sprint drivers. The lineup does not have to follow down the line where the fastest is first and the slowest is last. Main events lineup can be finalized by having Heat races and this allows a more competitive racing in the feature race. So, going this route, would have you needing not only race in a heat race or two of them, you need to place well enough and to survive to get in the feature. I admit that do want it takes to make the game a game where made only two players can play head to head would make this a premere accessbile. I would also request to have the game opened ended as Top Speed to allow add ons like able to add Classic Nascar cars, sprints and trucks. Later a tool can be added to include a track builder for those may want to have differnt road courses, short tracks, and why not if one wants a lot of wrecks a figure 8. AS a fan of Clay racing I then also could build a track of clay with sprints or late modles or even Six bangers. I know there is interest in this type of racing and if your going to have Nascar cars racing in the rain, and icy track then your not to far from racing on Clay. If the weather conditions change for Nascar so does the surface of a clay track, in fact it always changes. And when the time comes I am willing to anser questions on certain aspects of racing on clay. Charles can give you knowledge about open wheel racing on clay. Raceway not only be a revenue getting game off the assembly line but can bring in more cash for years to come with add ons. Why? There is so much love for racing and passion for the sport that when add ons are avilable those who truly love racing will want to get as much racing run as possible. What ever the learning curve there may be in the game at first can be hadled with modes like many other games The Raceway game certain help in ear and hand control, but as you are trying to do is a wonderful thing to bring a feeling of what its like to behind a race car. Smiles better put on the brakes, you know me I like to give my feedback and this email is getting to be as long as the Nascar Rules Handbook. But its been some time, to express myself on what the guys would like to see in RaceWay that are passionate about the sport. Crash - Original Message - From: Phil Vlasak [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Raceway was Montezuma's Revenge Hi Tom, I'm not suggesting releasing the ESP Raceway beta but you did give me an idea. How about having a mode where you are not racing other cars but sort of a training mode where you are the only car and learn how to drive around the track? You could call it qualification or timing trial mode. sincerely, Phil - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 8:57 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Raceway was Montezuma's Revenge Hi Shaun and all, Let me publically clear something up before everyone begins begging for something they probably wouldn't want after they got it. The original ESP Raceway beta releases were just that test releases of the game. As such the tracks were apparently there for testing purposes, and according to the version I have of the games source and the compiled beta there is no other cars. Your car is the only one. So if I were to put it out everyone would have to understand the old ESP VB 6 beta was developed to the point where you could drive around on the tracks but not really race. That element hadn't been introduced yet. Second, the USA Raceway version is a complete rewrite of the game, and I have changed many many things and the games aren't at all the same except for the Raceway name, and a few shared effects. Bottom line I know if I took the time to bundle it, put it on the web site, everyone would tinker with it for 10 minutes, get board, and uninstall it. That's litterally what it is worth
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Hi, will there be commentary in the raceway game? are you getting the sounds and commentary from a playstation game or pc raceing game like nasCar? Josh - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 8:13 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Raceway was Montezuma's Revenge Hi Phil, Actually, during the initial track creation phase of the game I will be putting in something very similar to test the car and the tracks bbefore adding the A.I. cars. So all I need to do is release it as some official part of the game as track warm ups, etc... Phil Vlasak wrote: Hi Tom, I'm not suggesting releasing the ESP Raceway beta but you did give me an idea. How about having a mode where you are not racing other cars but sort of a training mode where you are the only car and learn how to drive around the track? You could call it qualification or timing trial mode. sincerely, Phil - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 8:57 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Raceway was Montezuma's Revenge Hi Shaun and all, Let me publically clear something up before everyone begins begging for something they probably wouldn't want after they got it. The original ESP Raceway beta releases were just that test releases of the game. As such the tracks were apparently there for testing purposes, and according to the version I have of the games source and the compiled beta there is no other cars. Your car is the only one. So if I were to put it out everyone would have to understand the old ESP VB 6 beta was developed to the point where you could drive around on the tracks but not really race. That element hadn't been introduced yet. Second, the USA Raceway version is a complete rewrite of the game, and I have changed many many things and the games aren't at all the same except for the Raceway name, and a few shared effects. Bottom line I know if I took the time to bundle it, put it on the web site, everyone would tinker with it for 10 minutes, get board, and uninstall it. That's litterally what it is worth in that current state. shaun everiss wrote: what is it like? I wander if you just release it to those that are bored enough. I myself am extremely bored, may have a crack at it for what its worth. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
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Hi Gary, I extremely value your opinions. That said I don't know how much of what you will tell me will make it to 1.0 release. Things like track editors, multiplayer racing, etc are all cool, and I am not against them. I am however bound by getting this production out in a timely manner and many of the things you mention would add to the time in development as well as additional time in researching various docs on how to add track editors. However, I am open to the idea of having an initial release and then building on to it as you said by adding rtracks, different types of racing, editors, network play, later on as the game grows and I have the cash to put better workmanship into the game. The sad thing here is that James North took all the preorders for this title, kept the cash for it, and so I am doing this all with personal funding and no outside funding. You can be sure I want to do my best on making this game, but I need to make some cash on it before I really throw myself on the project and add all the bels and wistles out there that can be done. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
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Sounds like you got a good road to work down. making the changes in you have suggested will extend release, but after the six years i think it can hang in there a bit more. At least you give reports on progress and fall backs. They may not be liked sometimes, but do show how your doing on projects. The biggest thing I see coming from you is the fact that you want all three games your working on to be good not just hacks. What was only ripped off the people getting nothing. Now in time and they can wait for the game to come. i can wait and will just to try it on my rumble pad. At 11:09 AM 3/23/2007, you wrote: Hi William, Yeah, I realise Raceway has been on the waiting list for an extremely long time. Do remember most of that is the fault of Raceway's previous owner. It has only been in my custity for a year, and for most of that year I have been hopping between three different game projects: STFC, Monty, and Raceway. You asked if I should give Raceway the highest priority here. It is a fair question that deserves a fair and honest answer. When I took over RW STFC was nearest to completion so I decided right off to finish that project before attending to the new projects.That was one less project i had to deal with once it was completed in December. Next, I looked over RW and Monty deciding which game to work on first. The reason I chose Monty was that in general arcade type games are much simpler to design and complete. I do hope to have Monty completed by this year which is my goal. Once Monty is done Raceway will be my soul consern. That allows me time to work on the game and get into very complex programming which will take more time and attention than did STFC or Monty. Bottom line I know Raceway is a much harder program to create than Monty or STFC ever was, and the physics engine alone would take a while to work on. If I chose to do Raceway first I would end up producing RW, but two other projects would still be shelved today with USA Games having nothing to show yet. I am certain no one here wants RW to be rushed in to a premature production release because most realise by doing so in order to speed up production I'd have to cut corners, spend less time on the game, etc just to make everyone happy to get it out right away. Then, the screaming would come because it isn't the game they were hoping for. I won't do that. When I do Raceway I want to devote my entire attention to it. Now, I am sure you are about to ask how far was Raceway along after six years of production? Well, James north had it to a early beta stage in VB 6, but eventually chose to go to VB.NET. The VB.NET engine was not very far along by the time I took it over. Should I use the VB 6 version to sped up production? No because VB 6 is now considered by most developers to be outdated, and in 2008 Microsoft is dropping support for VB 6 applications, and has already dropped support for DirectX 8 for VB 6. Should I continue with the VB.NET version? No because VB.NET doesn't have the proper support for force feedbackdevices that other languages do. As a result I have been building the RW engine from the ground up which takes allot of time, and work that most out here probably don't realise. william lomas wrote: hi while i am not meaning to be rude here, shouldnt raceway be given more development time. we've been waiting four, five maybe six years for that, it is getting long in the tooth. ok, money was promised, monty i mean a year or so ago but i doubt to be fair we will see raceway this year so there's another year added to the calendar ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. Tim trouble Never offend people with style when you can offend them with substance. --Sam Brown Blindeudora list owner. To subscribe or info: http://www.freelists.org/webpage/blindeudora ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
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Hi, As far as I am aware remoting is still alive and well. .NET Framework 2 and 3 still have support for remoting so it is still going to be around for a long while yet for C++, C#, and VB developers. Jacob Elsberry wrote: Hi, Do you know if remoting has been phased out as well? We had to make a poker game that could be played over the internet for my C# class in college, and our professor seemed to think remoting was the best solution. You really don't have to worry about a lot of the details that you normally would in socket programming. I imagine using winsock might be more stable though. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
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Hi Trouble, Yes, I believe in giving a project my best. I don't like going half-way or producing something that I haven't given my best to. There is allot of pressure to get these two titles out, but I won't rush them to an early or premature release. I could have just said hey you want it i will slap something together and drop it out there for download, but that is exactly what Alchemy seams to be doing before they went belly up. Instead I have been working hard and long to get these games out, and Iintend to make sure they are ready for download when I put them out for download, and not a moment before. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
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Hi Shaun and all, Let me publically clear something up before everyone begins begging for something they probably wouldn't want after they got it. The original ESP Raceway beta releases were just that test releases of the game. As such the tracks were apparently there for testing purposes, and according to the version I have of the games source and the compiled beta there is no other cars. Your car is the only one. So if I were to put it out everyone would have to understand the old ESP VB 6 beta was developed to the point where you could drive around on the tracks but not really race. That element hadn't been introduced yet. Second, the USA Raceway version is a complete rewrite of the game, and I have changed many many things and the games aren't at all the same except for the Raceway name, and a few shared effects. Bottom line I know if I took the time to bundle it, put it on the web site, everyone would tinker with it for 10 minutes, get board, and uninstall it. That's litterally what it is worth in that current state. shaun everiss wrote: what is it like? I wander if you just release it to those that are bored enough. I myself am extremely bored, may have a crack at it for what its worth. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
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Hi Shaun, I don't know what reasoning Microsoft has for fasing out DirectPlay from game development, but there certainly are alternatives. Developers can use a generic game server using winsock and .NET developers can use remoting to build game servers. As for Topspeed I hate to sound or come off rude but like far too many accessible games Topspeed 2 was designed with outdated technologies from the start. In all honesty anyone still using VB 6 and DirectX 8 after 2005 is asking for trouble as both technologies have been strongly discurraged by MS for a long time, and in 2008 I believe both will be fased completely out of Microsoft's official support cycles. After that accessible games as we know them can only be played on older systems, and as long as newer operating systems after Vista will still run the apps by adding and patching the os with older libs manually. Che was very smart with Railracer as it is developed with .NET technologies, and I believe he did his network server using Winsock. shaun everiss wrote: any reason why ms are killing direct play and what they will replace it with? It will mean that stuff like topspeed multiplayer will be non playable. Not sure about railracer, or any of the vipgameszone stuff, railracer has its own custom made server. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
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Hi Tom, I'm not suggesting releasing the ESP Raceway beta but you did give me an idea. How about having a mode where you are not racing other cars but sort of a training mode where you are the only car and learn how to drive around the track? You could call it qualification or timing trial mode. sincerely, Phil - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 8:57 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Raceway was Montezuma's Revenge Hi Shaun and all, Let me publically clear something up before everyone begins begging for something they probably wouldn't want after they got it. The original ESP Raceway beta releases were just that test releases of the game. As such the tracks were apparently there for testing purposes, and according to the version I have of the games source and the compiled beta there is no other cars. Your car is the only one. So if I were to put it out everyone would have to understand the old ESP VB 6 beta was developed to the point where you could drive around on the tracks but not really race. That element hadn't been introduced yet. Second, the USA Raceway version is a complete rewrite of the game, and I have changed many many things and the games aren't at all the same except for the Raceway name, and a few shared effects. Bottom line I know if I took the time to bundle it, put it on the web site, everyone would tinker with it for 10 minutes, get board, and uninstall it. That's litterally what it is worth in that current state. shaun everiss wrote: what is it like? I wander if you just release it to those that are bored enough. I myself am extremely bored, may have a crack at it for what its worth. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
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hi thanks for honest answer. i still run windows on my macintosh but purely for gaming needs so would be interested tom if you could reply to me privately off list regarding monty, wondering if i can be on the team at all of testers thanks, will On 23 Mar 2007, at 16:09, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi William, Yeah, I realise Raceway has been on the waiting list for an extremely long time. Do remember most of that is the fault of Raceway's previous owner. It has only been in my custity for a year, and for most of that year I have been hopping between three different game projects: STFC, Monty, and Raceway. You asked if I should give Raceway the highest priority here. It is a fair question that deserves a fair and honest answer. When I took over RW STFC was nearest to completion so I decided right off to finish that project before attending to the new projects.That was one less project i had to deal with once it was completed in December. Next, I looked over RW and Monty deciding which game to work on first. The reason I chose Monty was that in general arcade type games are much simpler to design and complete. I do hope to have Monty completed by this year which is my goal. Once Monty is done Raceway will be my soul consern. That allows me time to work on the game and get into very complex programming which will take more time and attention than did STFC or Monty. Bottom line I know Raceway is a much harder program to create than Monty or STFC ever was, and the physics engine alone would take a while to work on. If I chose to do Raceway first I would end up producing RW, but two other projects would still be shelved today with USA Games having nothing to show yet. I am certain no one here wants RW to be rushed in to a premature production release because most realise by doing so in order to speed up production I'd have to cut corners, spend less time on the game, etc just to make everyone happy to get it out right away. Then, the screaming would come because it isn't the game they were hoping for. I won't do that. When I do Raceway I want to devote my entire attention to it. Now, I am sure you are about to ask how far was Raceway along after six years of production? Well, James north had it to a early beta stage in VB 6, but eventually chose to go to VB.NET. The VB.NET engine was not very far along by the time I took it over. Should I use the VB 6 version to sped up production? No because VB 6 is now considered by most developers to be outdated, and in 2008 Microsoft is dropping support for VB 6 applications, and has already dropped support for DirectX 8 for VB 6. Should I continue with the VB.NET version? No because VB.NET doesn't have the proper support for force feedbackdevices that other languages do. As a result I have been building the RW engine from the ground up which takes allot of time, and work that most out here probably don't realise. william lomas wrote: hi while i am not meaning to be rude here, shouldnt raceway be given more development time. we've been waiting four, five maybe six years for that, it is getting long in the tooth. ok, money was promised, monty i mean a year or so ago but i doubt to be fair we will see raceway this year so there's another year added to the calendar ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
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Hi Tom AS an old owner of Raceway, that being two copies, I even wait longer if the game comes out with a net play feature. Crash - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 8:09 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Raceway was Montezuma's Revenge Hi William, Yeah, I realise Raceway has been on the waiting list for an extremely long time. Do remember most of that is the fault of Raceway's previous owner. It has only been in my custity for a year, and for most of that year I have been hopping between three different game projects: STFC, Monty, and Raceway. You asked if I should give Raceway the highest priority here. It is a fair question that deserves a fair and honest answer. When I took over RW STFC was nearest to completion so I decided right off to finish that project before attending to the new projects.That was one less project i had to deal with once it was completed in December. Next, I looked over RW and Monty deciding which game to work on first. The reason I chose Monty was that in general arcade type games are much simpler to design and complete. I do hope to have Monty completed by this year which is my goal. Once Monty is done Raceway will be my soul consern. That allows me time to work on the game and get into very complex programming which will take more time and attention than did STFC or Monty. Bottom line I know Raceway is a much harder program to create than Monty or STFC ever was, and the physics engine alone would take a while to work on. If I chose to do Raceway first I would end up producing RW, but two other projects would still be shelved today with USA Games having nothing to show yet. I am certain no one here wants RW to be rushed in to a premature production release because most realise by doing so in order to speed up production I'd have to cut corners, spend less time on the game, etc just to make everyone happy to get it out right away. Then, the screaming would come because it isn't the game they were hoping for. I won't do that. When I do Raceway I want to devote my entire attention to it. Now, I am sure you are about to ask how far was Raceway along after six years of production? Well, James north had it to a early beta stage in VB 6, but eventually chose to go to VB.NET. The VB.NET engine was not very far along by the time I took it over. Should I use the VB 6 version to sped up production? No because VB 6 is now considered by most developers to be outdated, and in 2008 Microsoft is dropping support for VB 6 applications, and has already dropped support for DirectX 8 for VB 6. Should I continue with the VB.NET version? No because VB.NET doesn't have the proper support for force feedbackdevices that other languages do. As a result I have been building the RW engine from the ground up which takes allot of time, and work that most out here probably don't realise. william lomas wrote: hi while i am not meaning to be rude here, shouldnt raceway be given more development time. we've been waiting four, five maybe six years for that, it is getting long in the tooth. ok, money was promised, monty i mean a year or so ago but i doubt to be fair we will see raceway this year so there's another year added to the calendar ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
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oh there is a older version of race way? where could one get this? - Original Message - From: Gary Whittington [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Raceway was Montezuma's Revenge Hi Tom AS an old owner of Raceway, that being two copies, I even wait longer if the game comes out with a net play feature. Crash - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 8:09 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Raceway was Montezuma's Revenge Hi William, Yeah, I realise Raceway has been on the waiting list for an extremely long time. Do remember most of that is the fault of Raceway's previous owner. It has only been in my custity for a year, and for most of that year I have been hopping between three different game projects: STFC, Monty, and Raceway. You asked if I should give Raceway the highest priority here. It is a fair question that deserves a fair and honest answer. When I took over RW STFC was nearest to completion so I decided right off to finish that project before attending to the new projects.That was one less project i had to deal with once it was completed in December. Next, I looked over RW and Monty deciding which game to work on first. The reason I chose Monty was that in general arcade type games are much simpler to design and complete. I do hope to have Monty completed by this year which is my goal. Once Monty is done Raceway will be my soul consern. That allows me time to work on the game and get into very complex programming which will take more time and attention than did STFC or Monty. Bottom line I know Raceway is a much harder program to create than Monty or STFC ever was, and the physics engine alone would take a while to work on. If I chose to do Raceway first I would end up producing RW, but two other projects would still be shelved today with USA Games having nothing to show yet. I am certain no one here wants RW to be rushed in to a premature production release because most realise by doing so in order to speed up production I'd have to cut corners, spend less time on the game, etc just to make everyone happy to get it out right away. Then, the screaming would come because it isn't the game they were hoping for. I won't do that. When I do Raceway I want to devote my entire attention to it. Now, I am sure you are about to ask how far was Raceway along after six years of production? Well, James north had it to a early beta stage in VB 6, but eventually chose to go to VB.NET. The VB.NET engine was not very far along by the time I took it over. Should I use the VB 6 version to sped up production? No because VB 6 is now considered by most developers to be outdated, and in 2008 Microsoft is dropping support for VB 6 applications, and has already dropped support for DirectX 8 for VB 6. Should I continue with the VB.NET version? No because VB.NET doesn't have the proper support for force feedbackdevices that other languages do. As a result I have been building the RW engine from the ground up which takes allot of time, and work that most out here probably don't realise. william lomas wrote: hi while i am not meaning to be rude here, shouldnt raceway be given more development time. we've been waiting four, five maybe six years for that, it is getting long in the tooth. ok, money was promised, monty i mean a year or so ago but i doubt to be fair we will see raceway this year so there's another year added to the calendar ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
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Hi Will, As for the Monty test team that team is full. As for Raceway testing I haven't began selecting testers yet for that project so it is premature for anyone to ask can I be on the Raceway team. Smile. william lomas wrote: hi thanks for honest answer. i still run windows on my macintosh but purely for gaming needs so would be interested tom if you could reply to me privately off list regarding monty, wondering if i can be on the team at all of testers thanks, will ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
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Hi Gary, I know many people have interest in a net play feature, but I don't simply have time to work that in to the 1.0 release. One of the major factors I have elected not to make a net play feature is that Microsoft is fasing out DirectPlay in DirectX 10 which games like Topspeed use for network game play, and haven't really given us a real alternative to it. So with DirectPlay going out of DirectX it seams I would have to come up with some custom network code on my own using standard Winsock code which is a bit more complicated than DirectPlaywas. I suppose I could come up with a reasonable compromise of using DirectPlay for an early release and try and conver to Winsock later, but that might be begging for trouble later on when people go DirectX 10. Gary Whittington wrote: Hi Tom AS an old owner of Raceway, that being two copies, I even wait longer if the game comes out with a net play feature. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
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Hi Kerry, Yes, but it is not available for download. James North actually had Raceway to beta stage before he suddenly started over on the game. I have the beta, but it isn't what you would call super great. kerry wrote: oh there is a older version of race way? where could one get this? ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
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Hi, Do you know if remoting has been phased out as well? We had to make a poker game that could be played over the internet for my C# class in college, and our professor seemed to think remoting was the best solution. You really don't have to worry about a lot of the details that you normally would in socket programming. I imagine using winsock might be more stable though. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 6:42 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Raceway was Montezuma's Revenge Hi Gary, I know many people have interest in a net play feature, but I don't simply have time to work that in to the 1.0 release. One of the major factors I have elected not to make a net play feature is that Microsoft is fasing out DirectPlay in DirectX 10 which games like Topspeed use for network game play, and haven't really given us a real alternative to it. So with DirectPlay going out of DirectX it seams I would have to come up with some custom network code on my own using standard Winsock code which is a bit more complicated than DirectPlaywas. I suppose I could come up with a reasonable compromise of using DirectPlay for an early release and try and conver to Winsock later, but that might be begging for trouble later on when people go DirectX 10. Gary Whittington wrote: Hi Tom AS an old owner of Raceway, that being two copies, I even wait longer if the game comes out with a net play feature. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
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what is it like? I wander if you just release it to those that are bored enough. I myself am extremely bored, may have a crack at it for what its worth. At 10:56 a.m. 24/03/2007, you wrote: Hi Kerry, Yes, but it is not available for download. James North actually had Raceway to beta stage before he suddenly started over on the game. I have the beta, but it isn't what you would call super great. kerry wrote: oh there is a older version of race way? where could one get this? ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Raceway was Montezuma's Revenge
any reason why ms are killing direct play and what they will replace it with? It will mean that stuff like topspeed multiplayer will be non playable. Not sure about railracer, or any of the vipgameszone stuff, railracer has its own custom made server. At 10:42 a.m. 24/03/2007, you wrote: Hi Gary, I know many people have interest in a net play feature, but I don't simply have time to work that in to the 1.0 release. One of the major factors I have elected not to make a net play feature is that Microsoft is fasing out DirectPlay in DirectX 10 which games like Topspeed use for network game play, and haven't really given us a real alternative to it. So with DirectPlay going out of DirectX it seams I would have to come up with some custom network code on my own using standard Winsock code which is a bit more complicated than DirectPlaywas. I suppose I could come up with a reasonable compromise of using DirectPlay for an early release and try and conver to Winsock later, but that might be begging for trouble later on when people go DirectX 10. Gary Whittington wrote: Hi Tom AS an old owner of Raceway, that being two copies, I even wait longer if the game comes out with a net play feature. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
