AW: [VOTE] Accept ESME into the Apache Incubator
That is a coincidence - I was looking at james last night (http://twitter.com/rhirsch/status/1032899174) in terms of a bridge for ESME. I liked the idea of mailets and was looking into the possibility of using one to allow users to send an email to james and having a mailet create an ESME message based on the contents of the email. Regards, Dick Mag. Richard Hirsch Senior Consultant / Enterprise Portal Solutions Siemens AG Österreich Siemens IT Solutions and Services SIS PSE IND SG Werner-von-Siemens-Platz 1 A-5021 SALZBURG Phone +43 (0)5 1707 66794 Mobil: +43 (0) 676 3537770 Fax +43 (0)5 1707 53211 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Blog: https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/sdn/weblogs?blog=/pub/u/10448 Important Note: This e-mail may contain trade secrets or privileged, undisclosed or otherwise confidential information. If you have received this e-mail in error, you are hereby notified that any review, copying or distribution of it is strictly prohibited. Please inform us immediately and destroy the original transmittal. Thank you for your cooperation. Company Name: Siemens Aktiengesellschaft Österreich Legal Form: Stock Corporation, Company Seat: Vienna, Register Number: FN 60562 m, registered at: Commercial Court Vienna, DVR-Number: 0001708 -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Robert Burrell Donkin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Dienstag, 02. Dezember 2008 08:50 An: general@incubator.apache.org Betreff: Re: [VOTE] Accept ESME into the Apache Incubator i'm +1 with comments (see below) On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 9:55 PM, Craig L Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 27, 2008, at 9:59 AM, Daniel Kulp wrote: On Wednesday 26 November 2008 3:49:09 pm Craig L Russell wrote: Apologies. My inbox never received the messages with the attachment. My only concern is that from the description, the project appears to be run in real time, with decisions made through collaborative decision-making on the mailing list, through daily scrum calls, via Twitter and using open discussion on ESME itself. The risk is that decisions go by so quickly that it's difficult for someone not totally immersed in the real-time discussions to have a voice. +1 there is also the issue of creating a public record of the process used to develop the product. for mailing lists, this is done through the numerous archives maintained at apache and elsewhere. it should be possible to bridge ESME to RFC822 mail (eg. by using James) on a hudson zone (say). this is an area i'm very interested in so if this is of interest to the ESME team and they haven't done it already, i'd be glad to help out. I expect that the mentors will keep an eye on this so as to avoid excluding potential contributors who don't have the bandwidth to keep up in real time but might have useful things to say. As a mentor, this is on my concern list, but isn't something that's a concern for ENTERING incubation. great It's something that will be learned and addressed during incubation and will be resolved before they graduate. If this was graduation vote, definitely a -1, but for an entering vote, nope. I agree. +1 - robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] Accept ESME into the Apache Incubator
J Aaron Farr wrote: On Wed 26 Nov 2008 11:10, Darren Hague [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Aaron, Are we ready for the next steps of accepting ESME into the Incubator? The Apache Incubator general mailing list seems to have been quiet since Saturday 21st November, so I'm not sure if there's a problem with the mailserver somewhere or if people are just getting ready for Thanksgiving in the USA. Probably Thanksgiving. I can help close up the vote. There have been positive votes from the following 8 people, with no negative votes: Robert Burrell Donkin Craig L Russell Sylvain Wallez Davanum Srinivas J Aaron Farr Bertrand Delacretaz Daniel Kulp Ian Holsman Aaron (or other Mentors) - I could use your help in determining which are binding votes, and what to do next... Thanks, Darren - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] ESME + Total Information Management [WAS Re: [VOTE] Accept ESME into the Apache Incubator
On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 4:50 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 7:59 AM, Hirsch, Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is a coincidence - I was looking at james last night ( http://twitter.com/rhirsch/status/1032899174) in terms of a bridge for ESME. I liked the idea of mailets and was looking into the possibility of using one to allow users to send an email to james and having a mailet create an ESME message based on the contents of the email. cool: i'm very interested in helping out the mailet 2.4 API is limited by backwards compatibility and is too tightly bound to RFC822. for the mailet 3 API, i favour a move to a more flexible approach suitable for more general MIME-typed document+meta-data messages. James already support NNTP but the 2.4 API prevents news being processed by mailets and made available through IMAP, POP3 etc. i'm very keen on mixing blog feeds into the mix (RSS, Atom in and out) plus flexible, extensible storage based on a JCR (jackrabbit). Let me see about creating a plugin system for ESME. The ability to put a message into ESME is simple if you're running inside the process. Oh... and I have to make a Java-friendly bridge for common ESME calls so developers don't have to learn Scala (or maybe not... insert hand-rubbing and maniacal laugh here.) as part of the geronimo integration work, an alternative spool service based on a high performance service bus (probably Camel) needs to be created. this will allow easy distribution and integration with JMS. - robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Lift, the simply functional web framework http://liftweb.net Collaborative Task Management http://much4.us Follow me: http://twitter.com/dpp Git some: http://github.com/dpp
Re: [VOTE] Accept ESME into the Apache Incubator
On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 12:49 PM, Darren Hague [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Aaron (or other Mentors) - I could use your help in determining which are binding votes, http://incubator.apache.org/whoweare.html (though it's often a little outdated) and what to do next... i usually total the votes, edit the subject so that it clearly starts [RESULT] then ask for people to jump if they see any mistakes. (hopefully anyone who joined the IPMC since the list was last updated should then jump in...) - robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[OT] ESME + Total Information Management [WAS Re: [VOTE] Accept ESME into the Apache Incubator
On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 7:59 AM, Hirsch, Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is a coincidence - I was looking at james last night (http://twitter.com/rhirsch/status/1032899174) in terms of a bridge for ESME. I liked the idea of mailets and was looking into the possibility of using one to allow users to send an email to james and having a mailet create an ESME message based on the contents of the email. cool: i'm very interested in helping out the mailet 2.4 API is limited by backwards compatibility and is too tightly bound to RFC822. for the mailet 3 API, i favour a move to a more flexible approach suitable for more general MIME-typed document+meta-data messages. James already support NNTP but the 2.4 API prevents news being processed by mailets and made available through IMAP, POP3 etc. i'm very keen on mixing blog feeds into the mix (RSS, Atom in and out) plus flexible, extensible storage based on a JCR (jackrabbit). as part of the geronimo integration work, an alternative spool service based on a high performance service bus (probably Camel) needs to be created. this will allow easy distribution and integration with JMS. - robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] Accept ESME into the Apache Incubator
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:17:33AM -0600, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: Darren Hague wrote: Hi Aaron, Are we ready for the next steps of accepting ESME into the Incubator? The Apache Incubator general mailing list seems to have been quiet since Saturday 21st November, so I'm not sure if there's a problem with the mailserver somewhere or if people are just getting ready for Thanksgiving in the USA. Whomever calls the [VOTE] should reply with a [VOTE] [RESULTS] just to close that up (I see it was extended once or so) and you can sure proceed on. Yes, you can probably expect some US folks to be ignoring the list for the holiday weekend and a busy short work-week leading up to it :) Hello. Would someone please summarise this vote. This, and the initial steps, are where new projects get lost at entry time. -David - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] Accept ESME into the Apache Incubator
i'm +1 with comments (see below) On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 9:55 PM, Craig L Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 27, 2008, at 9:59 AM, Daniel Kulp wrote: On Wednesday 26 November 2008 3:49:09 pm Craig L Russell wrote: Apologies. My inbox never received the messages with the attachment. My only concern is that from the description, the project appears to be run in real time, with decisions made through collaborative decision-making on the mailing list, through daily scrum calls, via Twitter and using open discussion on ESME itself. The risk is that decisions go by so quickly that it's difficult for someone not totally immersed in the real-time discussions to have a voice. +1 there is also the issue of creating a public record of the process used to develop the product. for mailing lists, this is done through the numerous archives maintained at apache and elsewhere. it should be possible to bridge ESME to RFC822 mail (eg. by using James) on a hudson zone (say). this is an area i'm very interested in so if this is of interest to the ESME team and they haven't done it already, i'd be glad to help out. I expect that the mentors will keep an eye on this so as to avoid excluding potential contributors who don't have the bandwidth to keep up in real time but might have useful things to say. As a mentor, this is on my concern list, but isn't something that's a concern for ENTERING incubation. great It's something that will be learned and addressed during incubation and will be resolved before they graduate. If this was graduation vote, definitely a -1, but for an entering vote, nope. I agree. +1 - robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] Accept ESME into the Apache Incubator
On Wednesday 26 November 2008 3:49:09 pm Craig L Russell wrote: Apologies. My inbox never received the messages with the attachment. My only concern is that from the description, the project appears to be run in real time, with decisions made through collaborative decision-making on the mailing list, through daily scrum calls, via Twitter and using open discussion on ESME itself. The risk is that decisions go by so quickly that it's difficult for someone not totally immersed in the real-time discussions to have a voice. I expect that the mentors will keep an eye on this so as to avoid excluding potential contributors who don't have the bandwidth to keep up in real time but might have useful things to say. As a mentor, this is on my concern list, but isn't something that's a concern for ENTERING incubation. It's something that will be learned and addressed during incubation and will be resolved before they graduate. If this was graduation vote, definitely a -1, but for an entering vote, nope. Once they are in the incubator, we'll definitely make sure they start following Apache guidelines and such. Dan +1 for incubation. Craig On Nov 26, 2008, at 12:32 PM, Rahul Akolkar wrote: On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 3:26 PM, Craig L Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Point of order. The proposal that we're supposed to vote on was never attached to the [VOTE] email, as pointed out by Bertrand on 17-Nov, and me on 21-Nov. Makes me wonder if anyone is reading the comments. snip/ http://markmail.org/message/luzictfoyj5tmroh http://markmail.org/message/4o5c6citovsovlv5 -Rahul - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Craig L Russell Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://db.apache.org/jdo 408 276-5638 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp! -- Daniel Kulp [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://dankulp.com/blog - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] Accept ESME into the Apache Incubator
On Nov 27, 2008, at 9:59 AM, Daniel Kulp wrote: On Wednesday 26 November 2008 3:49:09 pm Craig L Russell wrote: Apologies. My inbox never received the messages with the attachment. My only concern is that from the description, the project appears to be run in real time, with decisions made through collaborative decision-making on the mailing list, through daily scrum calls, via Twitter and using open discussion on ESME itself. The risk is that decisions go by so quickly that it's difficult for someone not totally immersed in the real-time discussions to have a voice. I expect that the mentors will keep an eye on this so as to avoid excluding potential contributors who don't have the bandwidth to keep up in real time but might have useful things to say. As a mentor, this is on my concern list, but isn't something that's a concern for ENTERING incubation. It's something that will be learned and addressed during incubation and will be resolved before they graduate. If this was graduation vote, definitely a -1, but for an entering vote, nope. I agree. Once they are in the incubator, we'll definitely make sure they start following Apache guidelines and such. That's all I wanted to hear. Thanks, Craig Dan +1 for incubation. Craig On Nov 26, 2008, at 12:32 PM, Rahul Akolkar wrote: On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 3:26 PM, Craig L Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Point of order. The proposal that we're supposed to vote on was never attached to the [VOTE] email, as pointed out by Bertrand on 17-Nov, and me on 21-Nov. Makes me wonder if anyone is reading the comments. snip/ http://markmail.org/message/luzictfoyj5tmroh http://markmail.org/message/4o5c6citovsovlv5 -Rahul - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Craig L Russell Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://db.apache.org/jdo 408 276-5638 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp! -- Daniel Kulp [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://dankulp.com/blog Craig L Russell Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://db.apache.org/jdo 408 276-5638 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp! smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: [VOTE] Accept ESME into the Apache Incubator
Hi Aaron, Are we ready for the next steps of accepting ESME into the Incubator? The Apache Incubator general mailing list seems to have been quiet since Saturday 21st November, so I'm not sure if there's a problem with the mailserver somewhere or if people are just getting ready for Thanksgiving in the USA. Cheers, Darren On Sun 16 Nov 2008 14:12, Darren Hague [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Having proposed ESME for inclusion in the Apache Incubator two weeks ago (http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ESMEProposal), comments have now died down. The feedback we have had has been constructive and positive, we have a Champion in J. Aaron Farr, and five mentors have signed up: + J. Aaron Farr + Bertrand Delacretaz + Daniel Kulp + Gianugo Rabellino + Sylvain Wallez I think that now is the right time for a vote, so please vote +1 to accept ESME into the Apache Incubator, or -1 (with comments) if you think ESME should not be in the Apache Incubator in its present form. +1 let's keep the vote open for another day or so, so that more incubator pmc members can vote. -- J Aaron Farr jadetower.com[US] +1 724-964-4515 馮傑仁 cubiclemuses.com [HK] +852 8123-7905 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] Accept ESME into the Apache Incubator
Darren Hague wrote: Hi Aaron, Are we ready for the next steps of accepting ESME into the Incubator? The Apache Incubator general mailing list seems to have been quiet since Saturday 21st November, so I'm not sure if there's a problem with the mailserver somewhere or if people are just getting ready for Thanksgiving in the USA. Whomever calls the [VOTE] should reply with a [VOTE] [RESULTS] just to close that up (I see it was extended once or so) and you can sure proceed on. Yes, you can probably expect some US folks to be ignoring the list for the holiday weekend and a busy short work-week leading up to it :) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] Accept ESME into the Apache Incubator
On Wed 26 Nov 2008 11:10, Darren Hague [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Aaron, Are we ready for the next steps of accepting ESME into the Incubator? The Apache Incubator general mailing list seems to have been quiet since Saturday 21st November, so I'm not sure if there's a problem with the mailserver somewhere or if people are just getting ready for Thanksgiving in the USA. Probably Thanksgiving. I can help close up the vote. -- J Aaron Farr jadetower.com[US] +1 724-964-4515 馮傑仁 cubiclemuses.com [HK] +852 8123-7905 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] Accept ESME into the Apache Incubator
Point of order. The proposal that we're supposed to vote on was never attached to the [VOTE] email, as pointed out by Bertrand on 17-Nov, and me on 21-Nov. Makes me wonder if anyone is reading the comments. Craig On Nov 26, 2008, at 9:17 AM, J Aaron Farr wrote: On Wed 26 Nov 2008 11:10, Darren Hague [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Aaron, Are we ready for the next steps of accepting ESME into the Incubator? The Apache Incubator general mailing list seems to have been quiet since Saturday 21st November, so I'm not sure if there's a problem with the mailserver somewhere or if people are just getting ready for Thanksgiving in the USA. Probably Thanksgiving. I can help close up the vote. -- J Aaron Farr jadetower.com[US] +1 724-964-4515 馮傑仁 cubiclemuses.com [HK] +852 8123-7905 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Craig L Russell Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://db.apache.org/jdo 408 276-5638 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp! smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: [VOTE] Accept ESME into the Apache Incubator
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 3:26 PM, Craig L Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Point of order. The proposal that we're supposed to vote on was never attached to the [VOTE] email, as pointed out by Bertrand on 17-Nov, and me on 21-Nov. Makes me wonder if anyone is reading the comments. snip/ http://markmail.org/message/luzictfoyj5tmroh http://markmail.org/message/4o5c6citovsovlv5 -Rahul - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] Accept ESME into the Apache Incubator
Apologies. My inbox never received the messages with the attachment. My only concern is that from the description, the project appears to be run in real time, with decisions made through collaborative decision-making on the mailing list, through daily scrum calls, via Twitter and using open discussion on ESME itself. The risk is that decisions go by so quickly that it's difficult for someone not totally immersed in the real-time discussions to have a voice. I expect that the mentors will keep an eye on this so as to avoid excluding potential contributors who don't have the bandwidth to keep up in real time but might have useful things to say. +1 for incubation. Craig On Nov 26, 2008, at 12:32 PM, Rahul Akolkar wrote: On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 3:26 PM, Craig L Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Point of order. The proposal that we're supposed to vote on was never attached to the [VOTE] email, as pointed out by Bertrand on 17-Nov, and me on 21-Nov. Makes me wonder if anyone is reading the comments. snip/ http://markmail.org/message/luzictfoyj5tmroh http://markmail.org/message/4o5c6citovsovlv5 -Rahul - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Craig L Russell Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://db.apache.org/jdo 408 276-5638 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp! smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: [VOTE] Accept ESME into the Apache Incubator
Craig L Russell wrote: My only concern is that from the description, the project appears to be run in real time, with decisions made through collaborative decision-making on the mailing list, through daily scrum calls, via Twitter and using open discussion on ESME itself. Good points. If the project remembers one cardinal rule --- If it didn't happen on the dev@ list, it didn't happen, then all of these additional tools can certainly be used to advance the project. They simply aren't decision-making mechanisms, and are not valid as some ordinal reference to but we decided that... For example, httpd and apr use IRC to suppliment but never to replace the dev@ developer forums. Once an idea is hashed out, if it needs to be presented to the developers, dev@ is the ***one and only*** forum. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] Accept ESME into the Apache Incubator
Thanks both - this is good feedback. We have been moving more traffic to our esme-dev list, but you are right to point out the need to document the results of any significant real-time discussions back on the mailing list. To be honest, thus far we have been making up the whole process as we go along, and one of the benefits to us of moving to Apache is to learn these good practices from people who have been there before. Cheers, Darren William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: Craig L Russell wrote: My only concern is that from the description, the project appears to be run in real time, with decisions made through collaborative decision-making on the mailing list, through daily scrum calls, via Twitter and using open discussion on ESME itself. Good points. If the project remembers one cardinal rule --- If it didn't happen on the dev@ list, it didn't happen, then all of these additional tools can certainly be used to advance the project. They simply aren't decision-making mechanisms, and are not valid as some ordinal reference to but we decided that... For example, httpd and apr use IRC to suppliment but never to replace the dev@ developer forums. Once an idea is hashed out, if it needs to be presented to the developers, dev@ is the ***one and only*** forum. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] Accept ESME into the Apache Incubator
Darren Hague wrote: I think that now is the right time for a vote, so please vote +1 to accept ESME into the Apache Incubator, or -1 (with comments) if you think ESME should not be in the Apache Incubator in its present form. +1 Sylvain -- Sylvain Wallez - http://bluxte.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Nov 17, 2008, at 6:17 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 8:12 PM, Darren Hague [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...I think that now is the right time for a vote, so please vote +1 to accept ESME into the Apache Incubator Looks good. , or -1 (with comments) if you think ESME should not be in the Apache Incubator in its present form Could you please copy the proposal from http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ESMEProposal here in this thread? As that wiki page might change later, this helps documenting what we voted on. Seconded. I'm not planning to vote until this is done. Craig -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Craig L Russell Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://db.apache.org/jdo 408 276-5638 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp! smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: [VOTE] Accept ESME into the Apache Incubator
Hi Craig, I did this already, on 17th November. Best regards, Darren Craig L Russell wrote: Could you please copy the proposal from http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ESMEProposal here in this thread? As that wiki page might change later, this helps documenting what we voted on. Seconded. I'm not planning to vote until this is done. Craig - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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+1 from me. On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 1:43 AM, J Aaron Farr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun 16 Nov 2008 14:12, Darren Hague [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Having proposed ESME for inclusion in the Apache Incubator two weeks ago (http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ESMEProposal), comments have now died down. The feedback we have had has been constructive and positive, we have a Champion in J. Aaron Farr, and five mentors have signed up: + J. Aaron Farr + Bertrand Delacretaz + Daniel Kulp + Gianugo Rabellino + Sylvain Wallez I think that now is the right time for a vote, so please vote +1 to accept ESME into the Apache Incubator, or -1 (with comments) if you think ESME should not be in the Apache Incubator in its present form. +1 let's keep the vote open for another day or so, so that more incubator pmc members can vote. -- J Aaron Farr jadetower.com[US] +1 724-964-4515 馮傑仁 cubiclemuses.com [HK] +852 8123-7905 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Davanum Srinivas :: http://davanum.wordpress.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] Accept ESME into the Apache Incubator
On Sun 16 Nov 2008 14:12, Darren Hague [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Having proposed ESME for inclusion in the Apache Incubator two weeks ago (http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ESMEProposal), comments have now died down. The feedback we have had has been constructive and positive, we have a Champion in J. Aaron Farr, and five mentors have signed up: + J. Aaron Farr + Bertrand Delacretaz + Daniel Kulp + Gianugo Rabellino + Sylvain Wallez I think that now is the right time for a vote, so please vote +1 to accept ESME into the Apache Incubator, or -1 (with comments) if you think ESME should not be in the Apache Incubator in its present form. +1 let's keep the vote open for another day or so, so that more incubator pmc members can vote. -- J Aaron Farr jadetower.com[US] +1 724-964-4515 馮傑仁 cubiclemuses.com [HK] +852 8123-7905 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] Accept ESME into the Apache Incubator
Darren Hague wrote: Having proposed ESME for inclusion in the Apache Incubator two weeks ago (http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ESMEProposal), comments have now died down. The feedback we have had has been constructive and positive, we have a Champion in J. Aaron Farr, and five mentors have signed up: + J. Aaron Farr + Bertrand Delacretaz + Daniel Kulp + Gianugo Rabellino + Sylvain Wallez +1 I think that now is the right time for a vote, so please vote +1 to accept ESME into the Apache Incubator, or -1 (with comments) if you think ESME should not be in the Apache Incubator in its present form. Thanks, Darren - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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+1 Dan On Sunday 16 November 2008 2:12:11 pm Darren Hague wrote: Having proposed ESME for inclusion in the Apache Incubator two weeks ago (http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ESMEProposal), comments have now died down. The feedback we have had has been constructive and positive, we have a Champion in J. Aaron Farr, and five mentors have signed up: + J. Aaron Farr + Bertrand Delacretaz + Daniel Kulp + Gianugo Rabellino + Sylvain Wallez I think that now is the right time for a vote, so please vote +1 to accept ESME into the Apache Incubator, or -1 (with comments) if you think ESME should not be in the Apache Incubator in its present form. Thanks, Darren - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Daniel Kulp [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://dankulp.com/blog - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 8:12 PM, Darren Hague [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...please vote +1 to accept ESME into the Apache Incubator,... +1 -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] Accept ESME into the Apache Incubator
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 8:12 PM, Darren Hague [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...I think that now is the right time for a vote, so please vote +1 to accept ESME into the Apache Incubator, or -1 (with comments) if you think ESME should not be in the Apache Incubator in its present form Could you please copy the proposal from http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ESMEProposal here in this thread? As that wiki page might change later, this helps documenting what we voted on. -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] Accept ESME into the Apache Incubator
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 8:12 PM, Darren Hague [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...I think that now is the right time for a vote, so please vote +1 to accept ESME into the Apache Incubator, or -1 (with comments) if you think ESME should not be in the Apache Incubator in its present form Could you please copy the proposal from http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ESMEProposal here in this thread? As that wiki page might change later, this helps documenting what we voted on. Good idea. Here is the proposal, last changed on 8th November: Abstract Enterprise Social Messaging Experiment (ESME) is a secure and highly scalable microsharing and micromessaging platform that allows people to discover and meet one another and get controlled access to other sources of information, all in a business process context. Proposal We propose to move future development of ESME to the Apache Software Foundation in order to build a broader user and developer community. We hope to encourage contributions to and use of ESME, especially as an enterprise-grade text messaging platform for use behind the corporate firewall. Background Adopting social networking concepts such as tags and groups, ESME provides the business communications framework that allows for the fastest and most reliable way of discovering the best solution to everyday problems for people working in peer and extended networks. It reduces the risk of applying suboptimal solutions by making it easy to find the right people at the right time with the expertise for a given situation by allowing the participation of mobile workers, integrating with existing systems, and providing for contextually appropriate document attachments. The ESME architecture has been devised to meet the business requirements associated with reliability and scalability. The use of the Scala programming language and the Lift web framework on the server provides rapid development capability as well as browser push functionality (Comet) as standard. The open server side architecture allows other messaging environments - internal (Alerts, Enterprise Services, etc.) as well as public (Twitter, external web-services, etc.) - to be consumed as messaging sources. An event-driven actions framework within ESME allows users to filter their information flow as well as to forward ESME messages to other systems via HTTP or email. The ESME server is written in Scala and uses the Lift web framework to produce a browser-based user interface and also to expose a REST API. This allows for other clients, and an Adobe Flex/Air client using the REST API is a part of the project. Search functionality and textual analysis is provided by using the Compass wrapper for Lucene. The use of Adobe Flex/AIR on the client assures that business users are given a user interface that meets their needs regarding functionality without clutter. ESME's open architecture enables the possibility of other client technologies such as Symbian S60 mobile, SAP Web Dynpro, RIM BlackBerry http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/BlackBerry and Apple iPhone as examples. The alpha version of ESME is currently live at [WWW] http://www.esme.us/esme/index and the AIR client is also available to download from the same address. This version was presented in front of around 5,000 developers at the Demo Jam events during SAP's Tech-Ed conferences in Las Vegas and Berlin. ESME focuses primarily on usage in enterprise settings where the use of open-source software is often controversial. Our decision to move to Apache will help further the use of open-source software in corporate settings especially as it has already been architected for inclusion in SAP environments. Rationale ESME has attracted a great deal of media and end-user attention based on its unique feature-set and the underlying technology (see [WWW] http://blog.esme.us/2008/09/25/esme-in-the-news/). We believe that ESME's vision is unique in the area of microsharing. The ESME project team is interested in joining the Apache Software Foundation for several reasons: * To help the project attract contributors and service providers who will feel more comfortable with the licensing coming through a respected, well known and established organization such as Apache. * To facilitate the growth of a broader community of users. The project currently lacks sufficiently clear direction, leadership, and process; we believe the project will benefit greatly from Incubator mentorship. As the only open-source micro-messaging (Twitter-like) project which is both enterprise-oriented and targeted at the Java platform, we think the ESME project is an ideal fit for the Apache Software Foundation. Current Status Meritocracy Since the project's inception, its development has been coordinated through collaborative decision-making on the
[VOTE] Accept ESME into the Apache Incubator
Having proposed ESME for inclusion in the Apache Incubator two weeks ago (http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ESMEProposal), comments have now died down. The feedback we have had has been constructive and positive, we have a Champion in J. Aaron Farr, and five mentors have signed up: + J. Aaron Farr + Bertrand Delacretaz + Daniel Kulp + Gianugo Rabellino + Sylvain Wallez I think that now is the right time for a vote, so please vote +1 to accept ESME into the Apache Incubator, or -1 (with comments) if you think ESME should not be in the Apache Incubator in its present form. Thanks, Darren - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
