Re: [gentoo-user] depclean

[Mariusz Pękala]

> | In general when you do not know what package contains a tool you need,
> | how do you discover the package name containing the tool?
> 
> Google it :) I heard a rumour that Marius was working on a program for
> centrally tracking 'what everything installs', but I don't think it's
> beyond the ideas phase yet. It's somewhat tricky to do, what with our
> packages not having static content like other distros do.

...and if google doesn't work, the best 'tool' is to ask here. People
often do it.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Console background images and colored ls output

[darren kirby]

quoth the Colin:
> Is it possible to get a background image for the console like it is on
> the LiveCD?  Also, how do you make the output of ls colored?
>
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You're looking for bootsplash. Check this out:
http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-49036-highlight-bootsplash+grubsplash.html

Also, as mentioned:
$ echo "alias ls='ls --color=auto'" > ~/.bashrc

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Re: [gentoo-user] console switching wierdness

[Michael Ulm]

maxim wexler wrote:
Hello everybody,
Don't even know how to google for this one.
Having giving up for now getting a Radeon9250 to work
with gentoo. I replaced it with an ATI Rage128 AGP
card and referenced the appropriate module, aty128fb,
in modules.autoload. Now, even before configuring X
something bizarre happens: I'll be working away in one
console then decide to  to the next one,
do some stuff there and  back to the
first; but then suddenly I lose ~80% of screen
brightness! Horrified,I reboot and find everything
back to "normal", switch consoles back and forth, same
thing happens.
Sorry for not answering your question, but you've got me
worried there. I was just considering buying a Radeon
9250, and thought that to be easy to set up with Gentoo
(open source drivers and all). Which problems did you
have with the card?
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[gentoo-user] trying to compile a 2.6 hardened-sources kernel (moving from a 2.4) -- getting gr_task_is_cabable undefined reference

[Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC]

Hi
I am following the gentoo handbook on upgrading to the 2.6 kernel  
from the 2.4 kernel I had.  I am doing a make of the kernel and it  
fails with the stuff below.  I assume there is something in my config  
that is not selected that needs to be selected but I don't have a  
clue what...  I would appreciate some guidance on what this might be  
referring to.  Thanks...  (I will say that we mostly use BSD so I am  
not overly familiar with the linux way[tm] though our 2.4 gentoo  
system has been running since Fall of 2003 and we also admin a gentoo  
system belonging to a customer (formerly mandrake before I convinced  
them to move to gentoo))

.
.
.
  CC  arch/i386/lib/usercopy.o
  AR  arch/i386/lib/lib.a
  GEN .version
  CHK include/linux/compile.h
  UPD include/linux/compile.h
  CC  init/version.o
  LD  init/built-in.o
  LD  .tmp_vmlinux1
init/built-in.o(.text+0x152): In function `init':
: undefined reference to `grsecurity_init'
arch/i386/kernel/built-in.o(.text+0x679c): In function  
`do_vm86_irq_handling':
: undefined reference to `gr_task_is_capable'
arch/i386/kernel/built-in.o(.text+0x6ef2): In function `sys_ptrace':
: undefined reference to `gr_handle_ptrace'
arch/i386/kernel/built-in.o(.text+0x800c): In function `sys_ioperm':
: undefined reference to `gr_task_is_capable'
arch/i386/kernel/built-in.o(.text+0x80bb): In function `sys_iopl':
: undefined reference to `gr_task_is_capable'
arch/i386/kernel/built-in.o(.text+0xc8ec): In function `mtrr_write':
: undefined reference to `gr_task_is_capable'
arch/i386/kernel/built-in.o(.text+0xca00): In function `mtrr_ioctl':
: undefined reference to `gr_task_is_capable'
arch/i386/kernel/built-in.o(.text+0xcaa9): In function `mtrr_ioctl':
: undefined reference to `gr_task_is_capable'
arch/i386/kernel/built-in.o(.text+0xcb38): more undefined references  
to `gr_task_is_capable' follow
kernel/built-in.o(.text+0x1f32): In function `check_rlimit':
: undefined reference to `gr_learn_resource'
kernel/built-in.o(.text+0x2929): In function `sys_nice':
: undefined reference to `gr_handle_chroot_nice'
kernel/built-in.o(.text+0x294c): In function `sys_nice':
: undefined reference to `gr_task_is_capable'
kernel/built-in.o(.text+0x2bac): In function `sched_setscheduler':
: undefined reference to `gr_task_is_capable'
kernel/built-in.o(.text+0x2bdc): In function `sched_setscheduler':
: undefined reference to `gr_task_is_capable'
kernel/built-in.o(.text+0x2edc): In function `sched_setaffinity':
: undefined reference to `gr_task_is_capable'
kernel/built-in.o(.text+0x5472): In function `copy_process':
: undefined reference to `gr_learn_resource'
kernel/built-in.o(.text+0x54e0): In function `copy_process':
: undefined reference to `gr_log_forkfail'
kernel/built-in.o(.text+0x5985): In function `copy_process':
: undefined reference to `gr_copy_label'
kernel/built-in.o(.text+0x5f47): In function `copy_process':
: undefined reference to `gr_task_is_capable'
kernel/built-in.o(.text+0x5f72): In function `copy_process':
: undefined reference to `gr_task_is_capable'
kernel/built-in.o(.text+0x6062): In function `do_fork':
: undefined reference to `gr_handle_brute_check'
kernel/built-in.o(.text+0x8577): In function `reparent_to_init':
: undefined reference to `grsec_exec_file_lock'
kernel/built-in.o(.text+0x8591): In function `reparent_to_init':
: undefined reference to `grsec_exec_file_lock'

and a lot more of the above sort of error.
Thanks
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Re: [gentoo-user] Quicktime movies

[Myk Taylor]

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> Hi.
> I have a movie "something.mov" which I really want to view under Linux.
> Xine wont play it, although it pretends to. Do you know of a program
> that will
> read .mov files?
> Thanks!
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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo discrimination

[Neil Bothwick]

On Thu, May 19, 2005 2:12 am, Philip Webb said:

> i don't even do the approved 'emerge world' in maintaining my system
> & i rely on a home-made list of packages i've installed,

What is the world file if not a home made list of the packages you have
installed?


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: depclean

[David Morgan]

On 04:04 Thu 19 May , Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Thu, 19 May 2005 01:51:23 + (UTC) James
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> | OK, but this begs another question.
> 
> No, dammit! It does *not* beg another question.
> 
> Sorry. Pet hate there.
> 
> | In general when you do not know what package contains a tool you need,
> | how do you discover the package name containing the tool?
> 
> Google it :) I heard a rumour that Marius was working on a program for
> centrally tracking 'what everything installs', but I don't think it's
> beyond the ideas phase yet. It's somewhat tricky to do, what with our
> packages not having static content like other distros do.
> 

I usually find www.rpmseek.com is a good place to look (you need to do
an extended search and choose 'package contains file').

If the tool is already installed, you can do equery b toolname, and
that'll tell you what package provided it (you'll need to emerge
gentoolkit first though). I realise that this probably isn't what you
were asking, but thought you might be interested anyway.

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Re: [gentoo-user] remote server access?

[Joost Roeleveld]

On May 19, 2005 11:10 PM, Michael W. Holdeman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Mike,

> I need advice, 

And I hope my advice is usefull :)

> I have been using Gentoo on 4 machines, anf FreeBSD server for a long
> time
> now. Now my laptop and I will be working from a remote location 10
> days a
> month. We have broadband access on both ends.

sounds similar to my situation for when I visit my parents.

> Is it possible to securely access the nfs sharea, and smb shares on
> the bsd
> machine, or the other linux desktops like I am on teh LAN. Both ends
> use
> dynamic IP's, so it also has to be compatible with dyndns or something
> like
> that to find them.

Yes, it is, as long as you can set up the gateway to update a DNS-entry
when the IP changes on one location (eg. home) then you could set up a
'roadwarrior' configuration.

Have a look at 'openvpn', it's in portage.

Take a look at the following sites:
http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_OpenVPN_primer
http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Road_Warriors_with_OpenVPN

Hope this helps, and let us know if you need any help.

Kind regards,

Joost

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Re: [gentoo-user] remote server access?

[Joost Roeleveld]

On Thursday 19 May 2005 03:31, James Hiscock wrote:
> > Is it possible to securely access the nfs sharea, and smb shares on the
> > bsd machine, or the other linux desktops like I am on teh LAN. Both ends
> > use dynamic IP's, so it also has to be compatible with dyndns or
> > something like that to find them.
>
> Maybe setup a VPN using OpenVPN? Not sure how secure it is, but I
> suspect you'd be able to wrap it in an ssh tunnel...

OpenVPN already uses an SSL layer to encrypt the connection and uses 
public/private key authentication.
The only downside, in my opinion, is that the packages go between user and 
kernel space a few times (encryption is done in userspace, but the programs 
think they talk to a 'real' network interface)

But it's far more simple to setup then OpenSwan or similar programs.

> ...but then, I've never done (or had a need to do anything like) this
> myself, so I'm might be completely crazy...

I use it to connect to my computer when I'm visiting my parents (they live in 
a different country) and to encrypt my wireless connection at home.

Call me paranoid if you like, email goes plain-text until it gets collected by 
the mailserver at home :)

Cheers,

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: depclean

[Holly Bostick]

David Morgan schreef:
> On 04:04 Thu 19 May , Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> 
>>On Thu, 19 May 2005 01:51:23 + (UTC) James
>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>| OK, but this begs another question.
>>
>>No, dammit! It does *not* beg another question.
>>
>>Sorry. Pet hate there.
>>
>>| In general when you do not know what package contains a tool you need,
>>| how do you discover the package name containing the tool?
>>
>>Google it :) I heard a rumour that Marius was working on a program for
>>centrally tracking 'what everything installs', but I don't think it's
>>beyond the ideas phase yet. It's somewhat tricky to do, what with our
>>packages not having static content like other distros do.
>>
> 
> 
> I usually find www.rpmseek.com is a good place to look (you need to do
> an extended search and choose 'package contains file').
> 
> If the tool is already installed, you can do equery b toolname, and
> that'll tell you what package provided it (you'll need to emerge
> gentoolkit first though). I realise that this probably isn't what you
> were asking, but thought you might be interested anyway.
> 

Another good place to look (after Google, which will often hit in
rpmseek or rpmfind as well as my suggested search site) is the Debian
package database at http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages . There you
can search through the contents of packages, which is useful since you
already know that the package name is different from the name of the
file you're looking for. The package names under Debian are not always
the same (usually close enough, though), but it does give you a starting
point at www.gentoo-portage.com , which can sometimes be helpful, or at
packages.gentoo.org, where you can go to the package's homepage and see
what it contains.

Or of course, once you've got some prospective package names, you could
just fetch the packages in question (the Debian package search results
in both findutils and slocate to get updatedb, for example) and look to
see if they're appropriate, or read the ebuild for the packages in
question to see what's what.

Admittedly, some kind of package content search function somewhere would
be nice, but I am not sure it's possible (or somebody would probably
have done it already).

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[Steve [Gentoo]]

One of the principle uses of my Gentoo box is to aggregate all of my 
disparate pop-3 accounts, filter spam and to provide access to the ham 
from my desktop and laptop using Thunderbird (both, I admit, under Windows.)

In the most part I am happy with this setup (postfix, dovecot, procmail, 
spamassasin & ruledujour, razor, pyzor, DCC - with remote ssh tunnels 
for smtp and IMAP4) - this configuration successfully filters about 
99.5% of my spam without having (yet) introduced a false positive - a 
fact I attribute to the advantage that my ham is extremely unlikely to 
be matched in DCC/razor/pyzor.  Every day, however, I do receive a 
couple of spams which I don't automatically identify.  These spams are 
easy enough to move out of my inbox or delete by hand, but I can't help 
thinking it would be better to report these spams back to 
DCC/razor/pyzor hoping to eliminate similar rubbish in future.  I'm 
aware of the command line client razor-report, but to be honest using 
that directly is a bit of a pain...I really need a strategy to report 
spam which requires no more human intervention than at present is needed 
to manually remove the spam from my inbox.

I wonder if it would be possible to set-up an "internal" account "spam" 
to which only local users (i.e. myself) can send mail... "bounce" all my 
spam there (using the "Mail Redirect" extension?) - and somehow use 
procmail to report it?  Is there a neater solution?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: depclean

[Ciaran McCreesh]

On Thu, 19 May 2005 12:39:00 +0200 Holly Bostick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
| Admittedly, some kind of package content search function somewhere
| would be nice, but I am not sure it's possible (or somebody would
| probably have done it already).

It's possible to get pretty good results. It's just not very easy. cat
/var/db/pkg/*/*/CONTENTS | wc for a rough idea of why. You can knock it
down a hell of a lot using a trie and then compressing, but it's still a
fair bit of data.

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[gentoo-user] Plone

[Patrick]

Hi,

I can't get plone working, i have installed zope 2.6  and i install plone 
activate it and restart the zope deamon it won't start there are no errors in 
my logs


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Re: [gentoo-user] Plone

[Kirk Lowery]

Patrick wrote:

> I can't get plone working, i have installed zope 2.6  and i install
> plone activate it and restart the zope deamon it won't start there
> are no errors in my logs

Your message is not clear: is Zope up and running and Plone isn't? If
so, then:

Did you 'zprod-manager add' and add all the Zope products into your zope
instance? If you did not, then Plone (and friends) won't work and since
the Zope products are not copied into your zope instance there would be
no errors.

In general, the "Gentoo Way" for zope and plone is:

emerge zope and dependencies
emerge zope-config
use zope-config to create an instance of zope in /var/lib/zope
  this also gives you the /etc/init.d/zope-x.x.x server startup script
rc-update zope so that it will start on boot
  (assuming this is a server box and you always want zope running)
emerge plone and dependencies
'zprod-manager add' which copies all zope products into your instance

Anytime you add a new Zope product (plone-related or not) OR if a new
zope-related ebuild is part of an upgrade, you *must* use zprod-manager
to add the updated zope product to your zope instance(s).

HTH,

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[gentoo-user] New Kernel

[Yann GARNIER]

Hi everyone,

I installed gentoo for the first time a month ago on my laptop no prob at 
all.
The thing is I'd like to be able to boot on a new kernel (actually I use the 
2.6.11r5)
Each time I emerge --update --deep world I see that a new slot for a new kernel 
is available, how can I use it ???

Thanks in advance

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Re: [gentoo-user] New Kernel

[Dirk Heinrichs]

Am Donnerstag, 19. Mai 2005 13:41 schrieb ext Yann GARNIER:
> Hi everyone,
>
> I installed gentoo for the first time a month ago on my laptop no
> prob at all. The thing is I'd like to be able to boot on a new kernel
> (actually I use the 2.6.11r5) Each time I emerge --update --deep world I
> see that a new slot for a new kernel is available, how can I use it ???

These are not new kernels, but kernel sources. You have to configure, 
compile, update bootloader, etc. manually (or use genkernel).

HTH...

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Re: [gentoo-user] New Kernel

[Qian Qiao]

On 19/05/05, Yann GARNIER <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> 
> I installed gentoo for the first time a month ago on my laptop no prob at 
> all.
> The thing is I'd like to be able to boot on a new kernel (actually I use the 
> 2.6.11r5)
> Each time I emerge --update --deep world I see that a new slot for a new 
> kernel is available, how can I use it ???
> 
> Thanks in advance

ln -sfn /usr/src/linux-new_version /usr/src/linux

then do the compilation and installation.

reboot and off u go.

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Re: [gentoo-user] New Kernel

[Frédéric Grosshans]

Le jeudi 19 mai 2005 à 13:41 +0200, Yann GARNIER a écrit :
> Hi everyone,
> 
> I installed gentoo for the first time a month ago on my laptop no prob at 
> all.
> The thing is I'd like to be able to boot on a new kernel (actually I use the 
> 2.6.11r5)
> Each time I emerge --update --deep world I see that a new slot for a new 
> kernel is available, how can I use it ???

Emerge does'nt compile the new kernel. It only download's it. You have
to manually configure it and compile it. 

Official documantation :
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1&chap=7 
The same in french:
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/fr/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1&chap=7 

To update a kernel configuration, copy the old .config file
into /usr/src/linux and make oldconfig .

  hope this helps,

Frédéric


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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo User Groups

[Mark Knecht]

Hi Jonathan,
   I'm in Los Gatos. I'd probably come to a meeting at least once in awhile.

- Mark

On 5/18/05, Jonathan Nichols <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The thread about discrimination is a good one.. it made me think about
> local user groups, as people have mentioned install-fests.
> 
> I did Google around for a bit but didn't really find a whole lot. I'm
> right here in the Silicon Valley and figured that there would be at
> least *one* floating around. :)
> 
> If there *isn't* one, would there be enough interest in creating one?
> 
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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo Elite not discrimination

[A. R.]

My sentiments exactly!   :-)

cheers,

-AR

On 5/19/05, Julien Cayzac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I don't think I'm an elite.
> I regard sys admins running RedHat with great respect, since this
> distro is mush more difficult to maintain than Gentoo :-) They must be
> some king of gurus :p
> 
> On 5/18/05, rob3 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > We are a special breed.  Much like FreeBSD, but on Torvalds side of the
> > fence.  May peace and a wonderfull feeling of elitism fill your heart.
> >
> > Sincerely, Rob.
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> >
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[gentoo-user] New Kernel

[Yann GARNIER]

Ok thanks guys for your help, now I know where I have to look for
 and what steps I got to go through... :)

Again... thanks

Cordialy,

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[gentoo-user] openssl-0.9.7e-r1 / perl / Net::FTP

[Christopher Wall]

Good morning, and apologies for the length of the post...

I have run into a strange conflict using openssl-0.9.7e-r1 / perl on gentoo. An 
perl app that uses Net::FTP (amongst others) generates the following error when 
run:

/usr/bin/perl: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libssl.so.0.9.7: undefined symbol: 
EVP_idea_cbc

After going to the ebuild, putting it in overlay and removing "no-idea" from 
the configure options, I rebuilt the package on our build host (emerge -bv 
openssl) and then distributed to the affected server. There was no effect - 
same error, even though "openssl no-idea" shows that idea is installed and 
working. strings /usr/lib/ssl.so.0.9.7 | grep EVP_idea_cbc also come up fine. 

What is stranger though is when taking the source, running ./config, and making 
libssl.so.0.9.7, then copying into /usr/lib the error goes away. Commenting out 
Use Net::FTP; also makes that error go away, but breaks the script. Net::FTP 
only seems a culprit in this script and I've asked the developer if there are 
any routines in Net::FTP that use crypto that he's calling...

Diffing the Makefiles doesn't seem to show *anything* that would cause a 
significant difference in output (see end). Still, disabling some items like 
--noexecstack has had no effect (and probably a bad idea, after reading 
bugs.gentoo.org). The gentoo patches are not causing the discrepancy afaict, 
because copying the "good" makefile over yields working libs. It's worth noting 
that with the "good" makefile I have to do a manual "make libssl.0.9.7". I have 
als remerged perl to be on the safe side. 

So, with a stock system, I think it's strange that a standard pm would require 
crypto disabled by default, but weirder is that perl isn't finding the symbol. 

Severely stumped - any ideas?

P.S. I've also done an ebuild that basically uncompiles the source, runs config 
with the right options, and goes... but that seems a bit reckless given that 
the gentoo dev team put that stuff in there for a reason... right?




# Makefile from openssl default ./config , Makefile.ebuild cp from 
/var/tmp/portage/openssl*

diff Makefile Makefile.ebuild 
64c64
< CFLAG= -fPIC -DOPENSSL_THREADS -D_REENTRANT -DDSO_DLFCN -DHAVE_DLFCN_H 
-DOPENSSL_NO_KRB5 -DL_ENDIAN -DTERMIO -O3 -fomit-frame-pointer -m486 -Wall 
-DSHA1_ASM -DMD5_ASM -DRMD160_ASM
---
> CFLAG= -fPIC -DOPENSSL_THREADS -D_REENTRANT -DDSO_DLFCN -DHAVE_DLFCN_H 
> -DOPENSSL_NO_KRB5 -DL_ENDIAN -DTERMIO-Wall -O3 -march=pentium3 
> -mcpu=pentium4 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer -Wa,--noexecstack -DSHA1_ASM 
> -DMD5_ASM -DRMD160_ASM
106c106
< FIPS_DES_ENC= fips_des_enc.o
---
> FIPS_DES_ENC= 
180,181c180,181
< DIRS=   crypto fips ssl $(SHLIB_MARK) sigs apps test tools
< SHLIBDIRS= fips crypto ssl
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Re: [gentoo-user] remote server access?

[davide cavaliere]

On Thu, 2005-05-19 at 18:10 -0400, Michael W. Holdeman wrote:
> I need advice, 
> I have been using Gentoo on 4 machines, anf FreeBSD server for a long time 
> now. Now my laptop and I will be working from a remote location 10 days a 
> month. We have broadband access on both ends.
> 
> Is it possible to securely access the nfs sharea, and smb shares on the bsd 
> machine, or the other linux desktops like I am on teh LAN. Both ends use 
> dynamic IP's, so it also has to be compatible with dyndns or something like 
> that to find them.

U can set up a VPN either using openswan for un traffic. The
configuration depend mostly on the two networks topology. 
Of course due to dynamic IP's u have to use dyndns or something like.

Davide Cavaliere
> 
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Re: [gentoo-user] openssl-0.9.7e-r1 / perl / Net::FTP

[A. Khattri]

On Thu, 19 May 2005, Christopher Wall wrote:

> What is stranger though is when taking the source, running ./config, and 
> making libssl.so.0.9.7, then copying into /usr/lib the error goes away. 
> Commenting out Use Net::FTP; also makes that error go away, but breaks the 
> script. Net::FTP only seems a culprit in this script and I've asked the 
> developer if there are any routines in Net::FTP that use crypto that he's 
> calling...

Did you try rebuilding the Net-FTP package?

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Re: [gentoo-user] User not authorized to su root

[Craig Duncan]

Walter Dnes wrote:

>  On one of my machines, my regular userID can su.  On the other
>machine, I can't.  Before anyone asks...
>
>  - yes, the user (me, i.e. waltdnes) is a member of wheel
>[m1800][root][~]grep wheel /etc/group
>wheel::10:root,waltdnes,user2
>
>
>  - there is no /etc/suauth.  I created one as per the suauth man page,
>and it didn't make any difference.  Yes, I (userID waltdnes) did log
>out and log back in before trying su again.
>
>
>  - pam?  We don't need no steenkin pam.  It ain't there and furthermore
>sudo was emerged with "-pam" in USE...
>
>[m1800][root][~]emerge --pretend --verbose --deep app-admin/sudo
>
>These are the packages that I would merge, in order:
>
>Calculating dependencies ...done!
>[ebuild   R   ] app-admin/sudo-1.6.7_p5-r2  -pam -skey 0 kB
>
>Total size of downloads: 0 kB
>
>
>  man su is short and useless, other than pointing out /etch/suath and
>the "wheel" group.  "info su" doesn't even find "su" at all!  It takes
>me to info about "sum".  Now what?
>
>  
>
Check the memebers of the wheel group

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Re: [gentoo-user] User not authorized to su root

[A. Khattri]

On Thu, 19 May 2005, Walter Dnes wrote:

>   On one of my machines, my regular userID can su.  On the other
> machine, I can't.  Before anyone asks...
>
>   - yes, the user (me, i.e. waltdnes) is a member of wheel
> [m1800][root][~]grep wheel /etc/group
> wheel::10:root,waltdnes,user2

What does /etc/securetty look like?

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Re: [gentoo-user] openssl-0.9.7e-r1 / perl / Net::FTP

[Chris Wall]

Yes - both via CPAN and via the perl ebuild (Net::FTP is part of the
base perl dist)



On Thu, 2005-05-19 at 09:40 -0400, A. Khattri wrote:
> On Thu, 19 May 2005, Christopher Wall wrote:
> 
> > What is stranger though is when taking the source, running ./config, and 
> > making libssl.so.0.9.7, then copying into /usr/lib the error goes away. 
> > Commenting out Use Net::FTP; also makes that error go away, but breaks the 
> > script. Net::FTP only seems a culprit in this script and I've asked the 
> > developer if there are any routines in Net::FTP that use crypto that he's 
> > calling...
> 
> Did you try rebuilding the Net-FTP package?
> 
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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo discrimination

[A. Khattri]

On Wed, 18 May 2005, Pingveno wrote:

> If a Gentoo system uses entirely stable packages, upgrades are a simple
> command away. But then you have to wait hours, even days, for much of
> the system to be recompiled. It's more than most users would tolerate.
> There are reasons many roll their eyes when they see someone spend hours
> on a KDE install.

Surely that depends on your hardware...

> Gentoo is an excellent distro, with one of the most comprehensive
> repositories of packages of any Linux distribution. It is powerful and
> excellently constructed. But to say maintenance and upgrading is easy is
> like saying Windows is as suitable as Unix/Linux in a server
> environment. It's just not true and realistic.

Depends what yardstick you are comparing against - if you've never had to
maintain RH boxes for instance you wouldn't know how much easier Gentoo
really is.


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Re: [gentoo-user] trying to compile a 2.6 hardened-sources kernel (moving from a 2.4) -- getting gr_task_is_cabable undefined reference

[Max]

Hi Chad,

is your kernel hardened-sources-2.6.11-r12 by any chance? Judging from
the error messages it is. You need to use 2.6.11-r13, r12 is buggy.
See bug #93022 [1]

hth,
Max

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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo discrimination

[Tero Grundström]

On Wed, 18 May 2005, Pingveno wrote:

> Bit of a pet peeve here: making things look easier than they really are.
> I do quite a bit of emerging of packages that aren't stable yet. I have
> an installation of PHP 5 that, if upgraded from its current version
> (mod_php-5.0.3-r1) would cause an update of Apache to an unstable
> version, which would in turn cause portage to try to satisfy
> dependencies of Apache that include another unstable package. emerge -u
> world fails on this and other packages.

Are you doing this the wrong way (ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~x86) as it seems, or
the right way via package.keywords?


> If a Gentoo system uses entirely stable packages, upgrades are a simple
> command away. But then you have to wait hours, even days, for much of
> the system to be recompiled.

Why would you recompile your system?


> It's more than most users would tolerate.
> There are reasons many roll their eyes when they see someone spend hours
> on a KDE install.

You can tell them that while a Gentoo user may have to wait some hours for
a new version of KDE to compile, it may be available to Gentoo users
days/weeks/months earlier than to those using other distros.


> Gentoo is an excellent distro, with one of the most comprehensive
> repositories of packages of any Linux distribution. It is powerful and
> excellently constructed. But to say maintenance and upgrading is easy is
> like saying Windows is as suitable as Unix/Linux in a server
> environment. It's just not true and realistic.

If I understood you correctly, it may be more realistic than you think.
But I agree Gentoo is not the easiest distro.

>
> -Pingveno
>


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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo discrimination

[Philip Webb]

050519 Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Thu, May 19, 2005 2:12 am, Philip Webb said:
>> i don't even do the approved 'emerge world' in maintaining my system
>> & i rely on a home-made list of packages i've installed,
> What is the world file
> if not a home made list of the packages you have installed?

it's not home-made, it's system-made:
anything you emerge (apart from dependencies) without '--oneshot'.
if you update a pkg which you've installed to support something else
-- Qt would be a good example -- , it gets dumped in 'world',
unless you add '--oneshot'.  then if you delete eg KDE ,
Qt remains in 'world' & keeps getting remerged without a good reason.

i made a file using 'qpkg -I' & keep it upto-date by hand with Vim
whenever i add/remove/update a pkg: that way i know exactly what's there
& whether they're 'W'orld, 'S'ystem or [for KDE] (i mark them individually).

i really don't understand why 'world' is set up the way it is:
it's contrary to the fundamental principle of Gentoo,
which is that the user decides what s/he has installed in their box.
but i'm ok & others can wallow, if that's their preference (smile).
  
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[Felix Tiede]

Steve [Gentoo] schrieb:
> One of the principle uses of my Gentoo box is to aggregate all of my
> disparate pop-3 accounts, filter spam and to provide access to the ham
> from my desktop and laptop using Thunderbird (both, I admit, under
> Windows.)
> 
> In the most part I am happy with this setup (postfix, dovecot, procmail,
> spamassasin & ruledujour, razor, pyzor, DCC - with remote ssh tunnels
> for smtp and IMAP4) - this configuration successfully filters about
> 99.5% of my spam without having (yet) introduced a false positive - a
> fact I attribute to the advantage that my ham is extremely unlikely to
> be matched in DCC/razor/pyzor.  Every day, however, I do receive a
> couple of spams which I don't automatically identify.  These spams are
> easy enough to move out of my inbox or delete by hand, but I can't help
> thinking it would be better to report these spams back to
> DCC/razor/pyzor hoping to eliminate similar rubbish in future.  I'm
> aware of the command line client razor-report, but to be honest using
> that directly is a bit of a pain...I really need a strategy to report
> spam which requires no more human intervention than at present is needed
> to manually remove the spam from my inbox.
> 
> I wonder if it would be possible to set-up an "internal" account "spam"
> to which only local users (i.e. myself) can send mail... "bounce" all my
> spam there (using the "Mail Redirect" extension?) - and somehow use
> procmail to report it?  Is there a neater solution?

I've written a small program in C doing something similar: Feeding
user-selected spam and ham to sa-learn. Of course, it could be done with a
sophisticated shell-script, but I wanted to learn C ;-)

The feeding task is accomplished by shell-script, which can be edited to
whatever you like. Maybe you can edit it, to feed your spam to DCC/razor/pyzor.

The program and script are expecting that you use maildirformat on your
IMAP-server, which is default on a gentoo/postfix-installation.

Program: http://www.pc-tiede.dnsalias.net/downloads/sa-teacher-0.10.tar.bz2
ebuild:  http://www.pc-tiede.dnsalias.net/downloads/sa-teacher-0.10.ebuild
The category is mail-filter.

Comments welcome.

HTH, regards
Felix

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Re: [gentoo-user] Console background images and colored ls output

[Philip Webb]

050519 darren kirby wrote:
> $ echo "alias ls='ls --color=auto'" > ~/.bashrc
  ?
shouldn't that be '>>' ... ?

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Re: [gentoo-user] trying to compile a 2.6 hardened-sources kernel (moving from a 2.4) -- getting gr_task_is_cabable undefined reference

[Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC]

On May 19, 2005, at 8:07 AM, Max wrote:
Hi Chad,
is your kernel hardened-sources-2.6.11-r12 by any chance? Judging from
the error messages it is. You need to use 2.6.11-r13, r12 is buggy.
See bug #93022 [1]
Hi Max
Yes, thanks.  I read the bug and that is it.  -r12 seems to still be  
the default for "hardened-sources".

Now how do I get it to emerge -r13?  Various incantations always  
return that no ebuild is available for that.

Thanks
Chad
hth,
Max
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[Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC]

On May 19, 2005, at 9:02 AM, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote:
On May 19, 2005, at 8:07 AM, Max wrote:

Hi Chad,
is your kernel hardened-sources-2.6.11-r12 by any chance? Judging  
from
the error messages it is. You need to use 2.6.11-r13, r12 is buggy.
See bug #93022 [1]

Hi Max
Yes, thanks.  I read the bug and that is it.  -r12 seems to still  
be the default for "hardened-sources".

Now how do I get it to emerge -r13?  Various incantations always  
return that no ebuild is available for that.
Never mind.  It seems that between my emerge --sync of yesterday and  
one of today that it was updated to be the new default.

Thanks
Chad

Thanks
Chad

hth,
Max
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Re: [gentoo-user] User not authorized to su root

[Richard Fish]

Walter Dnes wrote:

>  On one of my machines, my regular userID can su.  On the other
>machine, I can't.  Before anyone asks...
>
>  - yes, the user (me, i.e. waltdnes) is a member of wheel
>[m1800][root][~]grep wheel /etc/group
>wheel::10:root,waltdnes,user2
>  
>

Did you modify the /etc/group file manually, and if so, did you run
'grpconv' afterwards?

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[gentoo-user] Clock going crazy

[rob3]

I am not certain if this is a Gentoo problem, a bios problem, a mobo
problem, or what.   I just want to know if anyone else has seen it or
has it now. 

I can't keep the clock on the right time.   This Dell 8600 Laptop has a
brand new mobo in it.  So it seems crazy that the battery would be dead
already.  Windoze shows the same behavior.

Thanks,  Rob
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[gentoo-user] Proxy

[Tarcio]

How I use proxy ISA to install
If i use the export the links is unable to use the 
InterNet.

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo discrimination

[Tero Grundström]

On Thu, 19 May 2005, Philip Webb wrote:

> 050519 Neil Bothwick wrote:
> > On Thu, May 19, 2005 2:12 am, Philip Webb said:
> >> i don't even do the approved 'emerge world' in maintaining my system
> >> & i rely on a home-made list of packages i've installed,
> > What is the world file
> > if not a home made list of the packages you have installed?
>
> it's not home-made, it's system-made:
> anything you emerge (apart from dependencies) without '--oneshot'.
> if you update a pkg which you've installed to support something else
> -- Qt would be a good example -- , it gets dumped in 'world',
> unless you add '--oneshot'.  then if you delete eg KDE ,
> Qt remains in 'world' & keeps getting remerged without a good reason.

I don't understand why it is like this.

IMO portage could (or rather should) behave like this:

If you 'emerge dependency-foo', portage sees that it is_not_listed in
world, and that this is_a_rebuild so it leaves_the_world_file_unmodified.

This way the world file would always only have the right packages and a
user would not have to worry about it anymore. And no more one should have
remember to use --oneshot option when rebuilding dependencies (like
alsa-driver).

I'd also like to see portage keeping it in alphapetical order. At the
moment it is a mess because of that *too*.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo discrimination

[Jose Angel Rodriguez Leyva]

Grant wrote:
> Out of curiosity, who here would say they have experienced any type of
> emotional discrimination because they use Gentoo?  I find this in
> correspondence with other Linux people sometimes.  Is Gentoo far
> enough "out there" to warrant this type of attitude?  It seems like
> these people are conservatives unwilling to roll with the changes to
> me.

I can't say I've experienced emotional discrimination, but I've found
many peoples of my country trying to demonstrate why any other distro is
better than gentoo, specially in those who are using Debian. In the
other hand I've saw that Gentoo is not a popular distro as Red Hats or
Debians distros are. They argued there's too much work and it is too hard.

I prefer Gentoo mainly for two reasons. It is much more easy to maintain
updated my systems and, as apprentice, I found it is great for learn
because I believe that is better "done by myself" than "done for me" and
Gentoo gave me a better experience in it.

greetings

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Re: [gentoo-user] nxserver-freenx setup

[Grant]

> > I've finally been able to emerge nxclient thanks to the latest
> > hardened-sources update.  Can anyone give me any pointers on setting
> > up nxserver-freenx?  nxclient looks pretty easy, but I can't find any
> > instructions on the server and there doesn't seem to be anything
> > relevant in /etc/init.d/ or the emerge's output in /var/log/portage/.
> 
> There is no setup involved; as long as you have sshd running,
> nxserver-freenx is ready to use immediately it is merged.
> 
> When you log in to a NX server, nxclient logs into the server by SSH and
> then runs the various NX commands from within the SSH shell. So there is
> no need to have any servers running apart from an SSH server.
> 
> Ed

Nice, that is oh so slick.  Do you know how to attach a remote NX
session to an already running "physical" X session, or how to attach a
"physical" X session to an already running remote NX session?

I'm going to file a bug on /usr/NX/bin not being added to the path,
but could you tell me how to see what is in my path and how to add to
it?

- Grant

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Re: [gentoo-user] Clock going crazy

[David D. Rea]

On Thu, May 19, 2005 10:15 am, rob3 said:
> I am not certain if this is a Gentoo problem, a bios problem, a mobo
> problem, or what.   I just want to know if anyone else has seen it or
> has it now.
>
> I can't keep the clock on the right time.   This Dell 8600 Laptop has a
> brand new mobo in it.  So it seems crazy that the battery would be dead
> already.  Windoze shows the same behavior.
>
> Thanks,  Rob

Is the clock bouncing between two hour times while the minute stays more
or less correct? If so, then Gentoo is probably setting the hardware clock
to UTC (universal time, or Greenwich Mean Time) when it shuts down, and
Windoze is expecting local time on bootup... They may be messing with each
other??

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Re: [gentoo-user] Plone

[Patrick]

On Thu, 19 May 2005 07:36:37 -0400
Kirk Lowery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Patrick wrote:
> 
> > I can't get plone working, i have installed zope 2.6  and i install
> > plone activate it and restart the zope deamon it won't start there
> > are no errors in my logs
> 
> Your message is not clear: is Zope up and running and Plone isn't? If
> so, then:
> 
>
Was i bit in a hurry.

If i activate plone 2.0.5-r1 with the "zprod-manager add" and activate plone 
and then restart the zope daemon, the zope daemon dies without any errors. If i 
then deselect plone and restart zope no problems.
I have other zope plugins working but plone won't work.

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Re: [gentoo-user] User not authorized to su root

[A. Khattri]

On Thu, 19 May 2005, Richard Fish wrote:

> Did you modify the /etc/group file manually, and if so, did you run
> 'grpconv' afterwards?

Normally, one would use "vigr" to edit /etc/group.

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[gentoo-user] Re: acpi vs apm

[James]

A. Khattri  bway.net> writes:


> > I was just builging a kernel for an intell PIII processor. I 
> > initially selected 'ACPI' and not 'APM'. The kernel build failed 
> > with this message:

> Just curious: what makes you think APM has anything to do with this?

It was a wrong guess. It was the Connexant Driver selection in the kernel.

It's fixed now.

James





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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo discrimination

[creighto]

> Depends what yardstick you are comparing against - if you've never had to
> maintain RH boxes for instance you wouldn't know how much easier Gentoo
> really is.

Amen to that.  That goes double for old hardware.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Plone

[Haim Ashkenazi]

On Thu, 2005-05-19 at 17:31 +0200, Patrick wrote:
> On Thu, 19 May 2005 07:36:37 -0400
> Kirk Lowery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Patrick wrote:
> > 
> > > I can't get plone working, i have installed zope 2.6  and i install
> > > plone activate it and restart the zope deamon it won't start there
> > > are no errors in my logs
> > 
> > Your message is not clear: is Zope up and running and Plone isn't? If
> > so, then:
> > 
> >
> Was i bit in a hurry.
> 
> If i activate plone 2.0.5-r1 with the "zprod-manager add" and activate plone 
> and then restart the zope daemon, the zope daemon dies without any errors. If 
> i then deselect plone and restart zope no problems.
> I have other zope plugins working but plone won't work.
you can stop zope, chdir to the '/bin' and run "./zopectl
-i'. when you enter the controller shell type 'fg' and it will try to
start zope and show you the messages (if you have debug enabled in your
configuration).

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Re: [gentoo-user] nxserver-freenx setup

[Holly Bostick]

Grant schreef:
> but could you tell me how to see what is in my path and how to add to
> it?
> 
 To see what your current PATH is:

echo $PATH

To add to the PATH for the current session:

export PATH="/additional/path:$PATH" (I think; make sure that's right--
ok, it is right, but maybe without the quotes according to man export).

What I usually do (because I often can't quite remember the correct
syntax of an "append to export" comand) is:

echo $PATH or export (without parameters), then copy the current PATH to
a text file, so if I mess it up I can export PATH="(the original PATH)".

Of course I could just read man export like a reasonable person, but who
has time for that ;-) ?

Hope this helps,
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[gentoo-user] Applying other patches.

[Jose Angel Rodriguez Leyva]

Hi,

Sometimes I need to apply my own patches for a specific package but
still using portage advantages, so I have to change package ebuild for
that. So everytime I'm going to emerge any of those after an emerge
sync, I have to change it again by hand.

I'm wondering if there is some better way for do that. My current
solution is to advice myself I have to include my own patches in
/etc/portage/bashrc

PACK=${P%%-*}

if [ "${PACK}" == "freeradius" -a "$*" == "clean" ]
then
   read -p "Ya parchaste el paquete? [s/N]" -n 1 Q
   [ "$Q" != "s" ] && /bin/killall emerge
fi

greetings

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[gentoo-user] Gentoo discrimination

[Keith Gosse]

Check out the prejudice in this one. . . .
This guy kashani has a remarkable understanding of linux and networking 
aside from the current thread.

On May 18, 2005, at 6:58 PM, kashani wrote:
Grant wrote:
Out of curiosity, who here would say they have experienced any type of
emotional discrimination because they use Gentoo?  I find this in
correspondence with other Linux people sometimes.  Is Gentoo far
enough "out there" to warrant this type of attitude?  It seems like
these people are conservatives unwilling to roll with the changes to
me.
- Grant
	I've only done the discriminating based on other people's non use of 
Gentoo. :-)

	Actually mentioning Gentoo was a good way of getting past the "so 
have you ever heard of Linux" conversations I ran into last time I 
went to a LUG. I will admit that this particular LUG was populated by 
some serious dyed in the wool longhair-ed hippie types complete with 
oddball PhD's in dead languages. Having had a haircut that month it 
was apparently impossible that I actually already used Linux so I was 
offered a live CD, numerous times, by the same people. It finally 
stopped when I said:

"Thanks for the Ubuntu disk, but I use Gentoo."
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Re: [gentoo-user] User not authorized to su root

[Marshal Newrock]

On Thu, 19 May 2005, A. Khattri wrote:
Did you modify the /etc/group file manually, and if so, did you run
'grpconv' afterwards?
Normally, one would use "vigr" to edit /etc/group.
Or gpasswd.  eg, "gpasswd -a $user wheel"
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[gentoo-user] /dev/ataraid under 2.6 kernel and udev

[Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC]

Hi
I have been running a 2.4 kernel for my backend java processing box  
and have a promise raid controller that uses the ataraid device under  
devfs.   It is set to boot off of it and the lilo boot command is  
something like

boot=/dev/ataraid/disc0/part1
This works fine.
I have no compiled a 2.6 kernel and did not see any kernel options  
for the ataraid but I did tell it to enable the promise controller I  
have.  I emerged udev and it appears that the device looks like this now

/dev/ataraid/d0p1
However, when I supply that to lilo it barfs on boot and says it  
cannot mount root.  It barfs on boot on both /dev/ataraid/disc0/part1  
and /dev/ataraid/d0p1

Thanks for any suggestions or help
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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo discrimination

[Jonathan Nichols]

to a LUG. I will admit that this particular LUG was populated by some 
serious dyed in the wool longhair-ed hippie types complete with oddball 
PhD's in dead languages. Having had a haircut that month it was 
apparently impossible that I actually already used Linux so I was 

Us long haired Linux using hippies take offense to that. :P
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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo discrimination OOPS

[Keith Gosse]

Sorry list,   was sending the thread to a friend who uses linux and is 
a bit frustrated with his current gentoo install - hit reply instead 
for forward . .

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Re: [gentoo-user] nxserver-freenx setup

[Grant]

> > but could you tell me how to see what is in my path and how to add to
> > it?
> >
>  To see what your current PATH is:
> 
> echo $PATH
> 
> To add to the PATH for the current session:
> 
> export PATH="/additional/path:$PATH" (I think; make sure that's right--
> ok, it is right, but maybe without the quotes according to man export).
> 
> What I usually do (because I often can't quite remember the correct
> syntax of an "append to export" comand) is:
> 
> echo $PATH or export (without parameters), then copy the current PATH to
> a text file, so if I mess it up I can export PATH="(the original PATH)".
> 
> Of course I could just read man export like a reasonable person, but who
> has time for that ;-) ?
> 
> Hope this helps,
> Holly

I see how that works.  Thanks!

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Re: [gentoo-user] remote server access?

[Michael W. Holdeman]

On Thursday 19 May 2005 05:04 am, Joost Roeleveld wrote:
> On May 19, 2005 11:10 PM, Michael W. Holdeman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Mike,
>
> > I need advice,
>
> And I hope my advice is usefull :)
>
> > I have been using Gentoo on 4 machines, anf FreeBSD server for a long
> > time
> > now. Now my laptop and I will be working from a remote location 10
> > days a
> > month. We have broadband access on both ends.
>
> sounds similar to my situation for when I visit my parents.
>
> > Is it possible to securely access the nfs sharea, and smb shares on
> > the bsd
> > machine, or the other linux desktops like I am on teh LAN. Both ends
> > use
> > dynamic IP's, so it also has to be compatible with dyndns or something
> > like
> > that to find them.
>
> Yes, it is, as long as you can set up the gateway to update a DNS-entry
> when the IP changes on one location (eg. home) then you could set up a
> 'roadwarrior' configuration.
>
> Have a look at 'openvpn', it's in portage.
>
> Take a look at the following sites:
> http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_OpenVPN_primer
> http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Road_Warriors_with_OpenVPN
>
> Hope this helps, and let us know if you need any help.
>
what do you think about coupling this with the knockd ??

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Re: [gentoo-user] Applying other patches.

[A. Khattri]

On Thu, 19 May 2005, Jose Angel Rodriguez Leyva wrote:

> Sometimes I need to apply my own patches for a specific package but
> still using portage advantages, so I have to change package ebuild for
> that. So everytime I'm going to emerge any of those after an emerge
> sync, I have to change it again by hand.
>
> I'm wondering if there is some better way for do that. My current
> solution is to advice myself I have to include my own patches in
> /etc/portage/bashrc

Maybe it would be easier to use the existing ebuild to write your own
ebuild that you can drop into your Portage overlay?


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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo Elite not discrimination

[fire-eyes]

On Wed, 2005-05-18 at 16:00 -0700, rob3 wrote:
> We are a special breed.  Much like FreeBSD, but on Torvalds side of the
> fence.  May peace and a wonderfull feeling of elitism fill your heart.
> 
> Sincerely, Rob.

Certainly applies here. I rule. No, WE rule.

Us gentooers love our linux brethern/sisteren (is that a word?), but we
know we're kinda different.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo discrimination

[A. Khattri]

On Thu, 19 May 2005, Tero Grundström wrote:

> You can tell them that while a Gentoo user may have to wait some hours for
> a new version of KDE to compile, it may be available to Gentoo users
> days/weeks/months earlier than to those using other distros.

Indeed.

You certainly dont see this level of prejudice against other source-based
Unix-like systems such as FreeBSD.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Applying other patches.

[Peter Gordon]

You might want to look into using the epatch function from
the eutils eclass.
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Re: [gentoo-user] +confunsub-4f6e380c30eb7d61

[A. Khattri]

If you had the full headers switched on you would see this:

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Re: [gentoo-user] 1st class documentation & user community

[A. Khattri]

On Wed, 18 May 2005, John J. Foster wrote:

> although
> Debian did cross my mind

Debian is great, as long as you dont mind waiting eons for updates or
running the unstable branch instead...


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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo Elite not discrimination

[A. Khattri]

On Thu, 19 May 2005, Julien Cayzac wrote:

> I regard sys admins running RedHat with great respect, since this
> distro is mush more difficult to maintain than Gentoo :-) They must be
> some king of gurus :p

Most of the time they are very tired.

Then one day they decide to install Gentoo...


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Re: [gentoo-user] how to boot from floppy and install gentoo

[A. Khattri]

On Thu, 19 May 2005, Iain Buchanan wrote:

> does bzip2 exist?  you could do something like
>
> bzip2 -cd | tar -f "-"
>
> or something...

Why not just bunzip2 it and then gzip the stage file instead?


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[gentoo-user] Need help with subtitles in dvd-slideshow

[Ron Keller]

I would like to use dvd-slideshow to make a short presentation of some 
digital pictures from a recent trip.  Now, dvd--slideshow, itself, does 
work on my gentoo box.  Where I am having trouble is in adding subtitles 
to some of the images.  I am hoping that someone on this list can help 
me find the problem.  When I run dvd-slideshow, I get a message that 
says the required fonts cannot be found and that the default ImageMagick 
font will be used.  But no subtitles get added.  Any help would be 
appreciated. Thanks

Ron
 ~/.dvd-slideshowrc 
debug=1   # 0 (low) to 3 (lots of info)
mp2=1 # 0=mp2 audio 1=ac3 audio
copy=0# add copies of original images to the output directory
autocrop=0# autocrop images to fill full screen
font_dir="/usr/share/fonts/urw-fonts/"  ## I have tried various other 
font paths as well ##
font1="a0100131.pfb"
#font2=/usr/share/fonts/TTF/VeraSe.ttf

## font sizes:
subtitle_font_size=24
title1_font_size=48
title2_font_size=28
## top title:
title1_bar_height=0  # 0 for no 50% white behind text
title1_text_location_x=80
title1_text_location_y=50
# bottom title:
title2_bar_location_y=324 # relative to top of image
title2_bar_height=0  # 0 for no 50% white behind text
title2_text_location_x=0
title2_text_location_y=325
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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo discrimination

[kashani]

Jonathan Nichols wrote:

to a LUG. I will admit that this particular LUG was populated by some 
serious dyed in the wool longhair-ed hippie types complete with 
oddball PhD's in dead languages. Having had a haircut that month it 
was apparently impossible that I actually already used Linux so I was 
Us long haired Linux using hippies take offense to that. :P
	I only take offense when people automatically assume that us pierced 
and tattooed punk motorcycle grease under our fingers types can't be 
geeks too. :D

	To be honest it was a really strange LUG compared to others I've 
attended. Out of 20-25 people only 2 were actually admins of any sort 
and a lot of the information being tossed around was dated or needed a 
number of caveats mentioned with it. While people seemed reasonably 
knowledgeable about Linux very few seemed to have actual experience 
doing what they were talking about.
	I also assumed it was going to be more like my 2621 group, which is 
2600 except it's held at a bar to keep the script kiddies out. That 
group is mostly security or admin people with hobbyists being the minority.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Quicktime movies

[Rumen Yotov]

Hi,
Or use/emerge mplayer with 'real' USE-flag.
HTH. Rumen
Myk Taylor wrote:

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>set?
>
>Ian K wrote:
>  
>
>>Hi.
>>I have a movie "something.mov" which I really want to view under Linux.
>>Xine wont play it, although it pretends to. Do you know of a program
>>that will
>>read .mov files?
>>Thanks!
>>
>>
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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo discrimination

[Neil Bothwick]

On Thu, May 19, 2005 3:37 pm, Philip Webb said:
> 050519 Neil Bothwick wrote:

>> What is the world file
>> if not a home made list of the packages you have installed?
>
> it's not home-made, it's system-made:

It is home made in that only files I specify to be included in it, by
emerging them directly, are.

> anything you emerge (apart from dependencies) without '--oneshot'.
> if you update a pkg which you've installed to support something else
> -- Qt would be a good example -- , it gets dumped in 'world',
> unless you add '--oneshot'.  then if you delete eg KDE ,
> Qt remains in 'world' & keeps getting remerged without a good reason.

If a package is merged as a dependency, it will be updated by "emerge
world -uavDN", so it won't be added to the world file. There is never a
need to merge a dependency manually.

> i made a file using 'qpkg -I' & keep it upto-date by hand with Vim
> whenever i add/remove/update a pkg: that way i know exactly what's there
> & whether they're 'W'orld, 'S'ystem or [for KDE] (i mark them
> individually).

But qpkg -I does list all installed packages, whereas a world file should
never list dependencies, unless you do something wrong.

> i really don't understand why 'world' is set up the way it is:
> it's contrary to the fundamental principle of Gentoo,
> which is that the user decides what s/he has installed in their box.

I don't understand what your complaint is. world should only contain what
you have decided to install on your box. If it doesn't, you have somehow
messed up world, so you may as well edit this as create a new file.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo discrimination

[Mark Knecht]

On 5/19/05, Neil Bothwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> On Thu, May 19, 2005 3:37 pm, Philip Webb said:
> > 050519 Neil Bothwick wrote:
> 
> >> What is the world file
> >> if not a home made list of the packages you have installed?
> >
> > it's not home-made, it's system-made:
> 
> It is home made in that only files I specify to be included in it, by
> emerging them directly, are.
> 
> > anything you emerge (apart from dependencies) without '--oneshot'.
> > if you update a pkg which you've installed to support something else
> > -- Qt would be a good example -- , it gets dumped in 'world',
> > unless you add '--oneshot'.  then if you delete eg KDE ,
> > Qt remains in 'world' & keeps getting remerged without a good reason.
> 
> If a package is merged as a dependency, it will be updated by "emerge
> world -uavDN", so it won't be added to the world file. There is never a
> need to merge a dependency manually.
> 
> > i made a file using 'qpkg -I' & keep it upto-date by hand with Vim
> > whenever i add/remove/update a pkg: that way i know exactly what's there
> > & whether they're 'W'orld, 'S'ystem or [for KDE] (i mark them
> > individually).
> 
> But qpkg -I does list all installed packages, whereas a world file should
> never list dependencies, unless you do something wrong.
> 
> > i really don't understand why 'world' is set up the way it is:
> > it's contrary to the fundamental principle of Gentoo,
> > which is that the user decides what s/he has installed in their box.
> 
> I don't understand what your complaint is. world should only contain what
> you have decided to install on your box. If it doesn't, you have somehow
> messed up world, so you may as well edit this as create a new file.
> 

I sort of took his comments a little differently - not so much as a complaint. 

With all the work I've done on my three home systems so far I've come
to both respect the way the system works (world file and all) but also
to see that there are choices that aren't so obvious to me. For
instance every system I run uses X, but on every system I've built I
emerged X11 before I emerged whatever environment I was going to run.
(fluxbox or Gnome, but also I've tried out xfce, kde, etc.) So, should
xorg-x11 be in my world file? It is if I emerge it first, but it's not
(I think) if I build the machine and the first emerge I kick off is
emerge gnome. I've now removed xorg-x11 from my world file since I
will never remove it and will always have something on the system that
requires X.

On the other hand Qt is an interesting one also. I don't think I've
ever ran a system for very long that didn't need it for at least 1 or
2 apps. (Home recording studio apps - lots are kde based.) However
when I have to build Qt it takes so long that I don't want to make a
mistake and remove it and then have to build it again. In this case
I've purposely added Qt to my world file so that it won't go away by
mistake.

I like that I have this level of control, but I also see the world
file as a little bit fragile, sort of like etc-update. I appreciate
that I can build it by hand, if I choose, and keep my machine pretty
close to where I think optimum is for me.

cheers,
Mark

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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo discrimination

[Philip Webb]

050519 Tero Grundstr?m wrote:
> On Thu, 19 May 2005, Philip Webb wrote:
>> i don't even do the approved 'emerge world' in maintaining my system

-- various snips --

> I'd also like to see portage keeping it in alphapetical order.
> At the moment it is a mess because of that *too*.

yes, that's a 2nd issue with the current state of things.

BTW the response "if you do 'emerge -blah world' everything's hunky-dory"
ignores the fact that some -- most ? -- users don't want to update 'world',
which can take hours, eg if OpenOffice is one of the pkgs in 'world'
(currently there's an '-r1' update which fixes some obscure vulnerability,
which i checked out & it doesn't threaten my system with my use of OO).
ok yes, the next similar response will be "then don't use OO ... ",
but at that point i return to my other more important concerns of today.

really, 'world' was created back in the early days of Gentoo
& needs a certain amount of rethinking by the devs,
but it's their time & effort to choose how they use
& i can happily dodge around the problem as i've been doing for a long time.

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[gentoo-user] mozsvg question...

[David D. Rea]

Hi All-

I'm trying to view some SVG files via mozilla-firefox. I have mozilla
and mozilla-firefox compiled with USE="mozsvg" and have verified this
using `equery uses mozilla-firefox`:

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] ddr4179 # equery uses mozilla-firefox
> [ Searching for packages matching mozilla-firefox... ]
> [ Colour Code : set unset ]
> [ Legend: Left column  (U) - USE flags from make.conf  ]
> [   : Right column (I) - USE flags packages was installed with ]
> [ Found these USE variables for www-client/mozilla-firefox-1.0.3 ]
>  U I
>  + + java   : Adds support for Java
>  + + mozsvg : Enable SVG support in mozilla and firefox
> [snip]

Yet when I do a File -> Open in either Firefox or Mozilla, it pegs one of my 
processors for a few seconds, then displays the XML with the following error:

"This XML file does not appear to have any style information associated with 
it. The document tree is shown below."

Do I need to associate a mime type or something to this effect?

Thanks,
Dave

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Re: [gentoo-user] how to boot from floppy and install gentoo

[askar ...]

I'm trying to use HAL91 floppy distro.
Its tar also doesn't support '-j' option, but has bunzip.
So, 1st I bzunipped and the using tar.
I'm still in the process of trying to install gentoo...

askar

On 5/19/05, A. Khattri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 19 May 2005, Iain Buchanan wrote:
> 
> > does bzip2 exist?  you could do something like
> >
> > bzip2 -cd | tar -f "-"
> >
> > or something...
> 
> Why not just bunzip2 it and then gzip the stage file instead?
>

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Re: [gentoo-user] fallback dns servers

[A. Khattri]

On Tue, 17 May 2005, Jean Magnan de Bornier wrote:

> Hello all,
> I am setting up a way to have my laptop automatically get a correct ip
> address.
>
> When I am at my office, I have a fixed ip; at home (on a
> private network) I use dhcp.
> I know I can use quickswitch for that but I want something really
> automatic, so after some search I ended up with this in my
> /etc/conf.d/net:
>
> iface_eth0="dhcp"
> ifconfig_eth0=( "dhcp" "194.199.136.151" )
> dhcpcd_eth0="-t 30"
> ifconfig_fallback_eth0=( "194.199.136.151 netmask 255.255.255.0 " )
> ipaddr_fallback_eth0=( "194.199.136.151  gw 194.199.136.250" )
>
> This works great, but as dhcp overwrites /etc/resolv.conf, when I go back
> to my fixed ip my dns servers are not the ones I need (still the ones I
> use at home). My dns names for office are set in /etc/resolv.conf.fac. Is
> there a way to have the machine know which dns servers to use?

# esearch quickswitch
[ Results for search key : quickswitch ]
[ Applications found : 1 ]

*  app-admin/quickswitch
  Latest version available: 1.05
  Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ]
  Size of downloaded files: 19 kB
  Homepage:http://quickswitch.sf.net
  Description: Utility to switch network profiles on the fly
  License: GPL-2


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Re: [gentoo-user] Clock going crazy

[rob3]

David D. Rea wrote:

>On Thu, May 19, 2005 10:15 am, rob3 said:
>  
>
>>I am not certain if this is a Gentoo problem, a bios problem, a mobo
>>problem, or what.   I just want to know if anyone else has seen it or
>>has it now.
>>
>>I can't keep the clock on the right time.   This Dell 8600 Laptop has a
>>brand new mobo in it.  So it seems crazy that the battery would be dead
>>already.  Windoze shows the same behavior.
>>
>>Thanks,  Rob
>>
>>
>
>Is the clock bouncing between two hour times while the minute stays more
>or less correct? If so, then Gentoo is probably setting the hardware clock
>to UTC (universal time, or Greenwich Mean Time) when it shuts down, and
>Windoze is expecting local time on bootup... They may be messing with each
>other??
>
>Dave
>
>  
>
I don't know.  Dell support gave me a patch to the bios, so I will see
in the next day or so if it is bios, or OS issue.\

Thanks!  Rob
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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo discrimination

[A. Khattri]

On Thu, 19 May 2005, Philip Webb wrote:

> > I'd also like to see portage keeping it in alphapetical order.
> > At the moment it is a mess because of that *too*.
>
> yes, that's a 2nd issue with the current state of things.

Not that it matters much unless you spend great amounts of time looking at
the world file (I never have and I manage servers for a living).

> BTW the response "if you do 'emerge -blah world' everything's hunky-dory"
> ignores the fact that some -- most ? -- users don't want to update 'world',
> which can take hours, eg if OpenOffice is one of the pkgs in 'world'
> (currently there's an '-r1' update which fixes some obscure vulnerability,
> which i checked out & it doesn't threaten my system with my use of OO).
> ok yes, the next similar response will be "then don't use OO ... ",
> but at that point i return to my other more important concerns of today.

No - the response will be that its certainly possible to ignore that
update by putting an appropriate entry in /etc/portage/package.mask.

Also, you can update the rest of what's in world by running "emerge -uD
package".

> & i can happily dodge around the problem as i've been doing for a long time.

Sounds exhausting - but that's fine for one box but not if you have a
bunch of them.


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[gentoo-user] Managing meetings

[Yuval Scharf]

Hello,

I'm looking for a software that helps managing meeting and tasks.
I want it to be light and simple and have a version on both Linux and Windows.
Can you recommend such a software.

By the way, what is the right word for such a software, calender? organizer?

Thanks,
Yuval
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[gentoo-user] Changing user's Java VM

[Holly Bostick]

Hey, ho--

So I used java-config to switch the user's (my) Java VM from blackdown
to Sun (blackdown is only 1.4.2 but Azureus prefers 1.5). I don't want
to change the whole system VM (because I'm a big chicken).

But anyway, when I switch VMs with java-config, I get this message:

 $ java-config -s sun-jre-bin-1.5.0.03
Env files in /home/motub/.gentoo updated. Source these in your shell's
profile.

Am I the only one who doesn't know quite what to do at this point? I did
figure it out, but I don't find this message at all clear, since the
only 'source' I've done up to this point is 'source /etc/profile', which
is of course not available to me as a user.

So fine, I read the message again, and so tried

$ source ~/.gentoo

which (unsurprisingly, when you think about it):

-bash: source: /home/motub/.gentoo: is a directory

Fine, so then I do

$ source ~/.gentoo/*

and then I was able to get

$ java-config -f
sun-jre-bin-1.5.0.03

(And now Azureus opens the Configuration tab without crashing, yay!) But
I know I was just lucky. I was making this up/guessing wildly as I went
along. That command worked, but I don't even know if that's "right" (the
asterisk). I suppose the source command sensibly only sourced the
"source-able" files in that folder, but I don't know which ones they
were, what needed to change, or if everything that needed to change in
fact did. An export shows that PATH and JAVA_HOME variables are right
(they point to Sun Java), but the JAVAC and JDK_HOME variables still
point to blackdown. Is this a problem? I don't know (and I don't like
that :-) ).

Have I done this correctly? Should I have known how to do this (source
files for a user, rather than root/system-wide) after installation (for
all my time with Gentoo, I haven't really learned all that many system
commands that fall outside the scope of installation routines)?  Was
there a way to 'intuit' this from the message? This whole ~/.gentoo
folder seems new to me. Or should I submit a bug against java-config to
request that this message be a bit more specific in its instruction?

Holly
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[gentoo-user] thunderbird can't open web links on KDE

[Claudinei Matos]

Hi guys,

I have some users using Thunderbird in KDE instead of KMAIl. Well, the
problem is that Thunderbird doesn't open any link that comes in the
mail message. I've tryed to setup KDE default programs for browser and
mail respectively to thunderbird and firefox but even with that
changes (I did restared KDE) I still can't open the links on the
message.
That's stranger 'cause I have thunderbird + firefox installed at my
machine but I use gnome, fluxbox and xfce (sorry but I really don't
like KDE) and at my machine thunderbird works fine, opening all links
at firefox.
I did looked at the useflags of thunderbir to see if theres something
I forget to enable but it's not.

Did someone have any idea about?

Tks in advice,

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Re: [gentoo-user] Changing user's Java VM

[Etaoin Shrdlu]

On Thursday 19 May 2005 20:32, Holly Bostick wrote:

>  $ java-config -s sun-jre-bin-1.5.0.03
> Env files in /home/motub/.gentoo updated. Source these in your
> shell's profile.
>
> Am I the only one who doesn't know quite what to do at this point?
> I did figure it out, but I don't find this message at all clear,
> since the only 'source' I've done up to this point is 'source
> /etc/profile', which is of course not available to me as a user.

As long as /etc/profile is readable, it *is* available to you as a 
user. Try:

$ source /etc/profile
$

Actually, it gets sourced each time you login.

> Fine, so then I do
>
> $ source ~/.gentoo/*
>
> and then I was able to get
>
> $ java-config -f
> sun-jre-bin-1.5.0.03

"source" only sources one file. That way only the first file in 
~/.gentoo gets sourced. If that directory had only one file in it, 
your command worked just fine.
But I think the right way (handles multiple source files) is

for i in ~/.gentoo/*; do source $i; done

> (And now Azureus opens the Configuration tab without crashing,
> yay!) But I know I was just lucky. I was making this up/guessing
> wildly as I went along. That command worked, but I don't even know
> if that's "right" (the asterisk). I suppose the source command
> sensibly only sourced the "source-able" files in that folder, but I
> don't know which ones they were, what needed to change, or if
> everything that needed to change in fact did.

Executing a "source" command ("." can be used as a shortcut, eg 
. /etc/profile) means: read the given file (typically containing a 
shell script or export of shell variables), and execute all the 
commands you find there *in the current shell*. This is equivalent to 
typing each line contained in the file at the shell prompt.
This is different from running a shell script, since in this case the 
script is run in a subshell, and (among other things) all the 
modifications it does to environment variables are lost after it 
terminates.
What the java-config message was asking you was to source the files in 
~/.gentoo, to read in the new values for the environment variables 
and have the changes in effect immediately.

man bash will give you more details about the "source" command.

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[gentoo-user] emerge after kernel upgrade

[Dan Johansson]

Hi,

After I've done an upgrade of my kernel I have to re-emerge some kernelmodules 
(madwifi-driver among other). BUT when I do this emerge removes the module 
from the /lib/modules/... from the old kernel version. Is there a way to make 
emerge keep the old version as well so I can boot the old kernel again with 
full functionality?

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[gentoo-user] Anyone Know Why a New Kernel Would Kill Networking?

[Michael Haan]

I didn't change any networking options, but it looks like networking
it trying to use IPv6 after installing a new kernel.  Why, and how do
I fix it?

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Re: [gentoo-user] thunderbird can't open web links on KDE

[Craig Duncan]

Claudinei Matos wrote:

>Hi guys,
>
>I have some users using Thunderbird in KDE instead of KMAIl. Well, the
>problem is that Thunderbird doesn't open any link that comes in the
>mail message. I've tryed to setup KDE default programs for browser and
>mail respectively to thunderbird and firefox but even with that
>changes (I did restared KDE) I still can't open the links on the
>message.
>That's stranger 'cause I have thunderbird + firefox installed at my
>machine but I use gnome, fluxbox and xfce (sorry but I really don't
>like KDE) and at my machine thunderbird works fine, opening all links
>at firefox.
>I did looked at the useflags of thunderbir to see if theres something
>I forget to enable but it's not.
>
>Did someone have any idea about?
>
>Tks in advice,
>
>Claudinei Matos
>
>  
>
Search the archives for my previous post on this

Craig
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Re: [gentoo-user] fallback dns servers

[Matthias Bethke]

Hi A.,
on Thursday, 2005-05-19 at 13:59:38, you wrote:
> > I know I can use quickswitch for that but I want something really
> > automatic, [...]
> > iface_eth0="dhcp"
> > ifconfig_eth0=( "dhcp" "194.199.136.151" )
> > [...]
> # esearch quickswitch

Yeah, I guess he knew that ;-)
I'm just wondering: where can I find info like the above? Reading the init
scripts it's fairly obvious but also fairly tedious if I have to do this for
every release. I'm quite sure it's not in any of the online manuals nor in the
conf.d inline documentation...any Changelogs or something?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo discrimination

[Antoine]

> 
> I've only done the discriminating based on other people's non use of
> Gentoo. :-)

My brother's father-in-law has just retired and spends all his time in
front of his computer. I have tried to get him onto linux but am a
little too far away to do it effectively. His son has a mate that is one
of those perfect gentoo wankers. "You won't be able to understand Linux"
(the f-in-l is an engineer, and a [EMAIL PROTECTED]' chess Master!!!). I tried 
to
get him started with Mandrake but he ended up trying with fedora. No
success yet but I am going to go and sort him out this summer. The son's
mate could easily come around and sort his probs (mainly ISDN-related)
out with something that didn't require configuring a kernel but he
prefers to be the superior Gentoo man. "You just use windows - you're
too old to move to linux"...
I won't give you my opinion of this guy, cos there wouldn't be anyone on
this list who would have at least half the expletives I have used ;-).
Cheers
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Re: [gentoo-user] Console background images and colored ls output

[darren kirby]

quoth the Philip Webb:
> 050519 darren kirby wrote:
> > $ echo "alias ls='ls --color=auto'" > ~/.bashrc
>
>   ?
> shouldn't that be '>>' ... ?
>
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Oh jeez, yeah. Of course it should ;)

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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo discrimination

[Neil Bothwick]

On Thu, 19 May 2005 13:51:49 -0400, Philip Webb wrote:

> BTW the response "if you do 'emerge -blah world' everything's hunky-
> dory" ignores the fact that some -- most ? -- users don't want to
> update 'world', which can take hours, eg if OpenOffice is one of the
> pkgs in 'world' (currently there's an '-r1' update which fixes some
> obscure vulnerability, which i checked out & it doesn't threaten my
> system with my use of OO).

In which case, mask that particular version, as you don't need it. When a
newer version comes out, you can use emerge -l to see whether you now
need to upgrade, and mask that if not, but at least emerge world is
keeping you informed of updates.

>> ok yes, the next similar response will be "then don't use OO ... ",

While I'd love to do that, unfortunately there's sometimes no alternative
to sitting around waiting for OOo to start :(


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Re: [gentoo-user] nautilus, file types and icons

[Antonio Coralles]

gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org wrote:

> On Tue, 17 May 2005, Antonio Coralles wrote:
>
>> > Well, this is more a repost than an answer ...
>> > antonio
>> >
>> By the way, i'm using gnome-2.8.3 ...
>
> OK, Ill bite ;-)
>
> Google really is your friend.
>
> Apparently, /usr/share/mime-info/gnome-vfs.keys has the MIME type and
> icons in XML format (note: this file might be in Unicode format!).
>
> You might find this useful:
> http://www.novell.com/documentation/nld/index.html?page=/documentation/nld/nld_deployment/data/bs07x2m.html
>
>
Hmm, I think I'm doing something wrong as gnome still displays
"application/x-extension-hpp" as mime type for hpp files, allthough in
my /usr/share/mime-info/gnome-vfs.mime you find

text/x-c-header
ext: h H h++ hpp

So my guess is that there are some conflicts between the various mime
files on my system. Especially, how are the mime* files in /etc
connected to the ones in /usr/share/mime-info/ ?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone Know Why a New Kernel Would Kill Networking?

[Nick Rout]

On Thu, 2005-05-19 at 15:41 -0400, Michael Haan wrote:
> I didn't change any networking options, but it looks like networking
> it trying to use IPv6 after installing a new kernel.  Why, and how do
> I fix it?
> 

try /etc/rc.conf

it is well commented.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Clock going crazy

[Nick Rout]

perhaps if you continue to have problems you could give a more thorough
explanation of the symptoms.

Like, is the clock racing ahead or behind? Is it just set to the wrong
time on boot, but goes fine after it is set?

On Thu, 2005-05-19 at 11:03 -0700, rob3 wrote:
> David D. Rea wrote:
> 
> >On Thu, May 19, 2005 10:15 am, rob3 said:
> >  
> >
> >>I am not certain if this is a Gentoo problem, a bios problem, a mobo
> >>problem, or what.   I just want to know if anyone else has seen it or
> >>has it now.
> >>
> >>I can't keep the clock on the right time.   This Dell 8600 Laptop has a
> >>brand new mobo in it.  So it seems crazy that the battery would be dead
> >>already.  Windoze shows the same behavior.
> >>
> >>Thanks,  Rob
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Is the clock bouncing between two hour times while the minute stays more
> >or less correct? If so, then Gentoo is probably setting the hardware clock
> >to UTC (universal time, or Greenwich Mean Time) when it shuts down, and
> >Windoze is expecting local time on bootup... They may be messing with each
> >other??
> >
> >Dave
> >
> >  
> >
> I don't know.  Dell support gave me a patch to the bios, so I will see
> in the next day or so if it is bios, or OS issue.\
> 
> Thanks!  Rob
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Re: [gentoo-user] emerge after kernel upgrade

[Zachary Medico]

--- Dan Johansson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> After I've done an upgrade of my kernel I have to
> re-emerge some kernelmodules 
> (madwifi-driver among other). BUT when I do this
> emerge removes the module 
> from the /lib/modules/... from the old kernel
> version. Is there a way to make 
> emerge keep the old version as well so I can boot
> the old kernel again with 
> full functionality?
> 
> Regards, 
> Dan Johansson, 
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You could add this to /etc/make.conf:

CONFIG_PROTECT="$CONFIG_PROTECT /lib/modules"


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Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone Know Why a New Kernel Would Kill Networking?

[Antonio Coralles]

gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org wrote:

> I didn't change any networking options, but it looks like networking
> it trying to use IPv6 after installing a new kernel.  Why, and how do
> I fix it?
>
>
Say you switched from kernel A to kernel B:
What exactly is A and what B ?
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Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone Know Why a New Kernel Would Kill Networking?

[Michael Haan]

On 5/19/05, Antonio Coralles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org wrote:
> 
> > I didn't change any networking options, but it looks like networking
> > it trying to use IPv6 after installing a new kernel.  Why, and how do
> > I fix it?
> >
> >
> Say you switched from kernel A to kernel B:
> What exactly is A and what B ?
> antonio
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> 
> 

A = 2.6.9-rc14
B = 2.6.12-rc3

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Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone Know Why a New Kernel Would Kill Networking?

[Alan]

On Thu, May 19, 2005 at 03:41:26PM -0400, Michael Haan wrote:
> I didn't change any networking options, but it looks like networking
> it trying to use IPv6 after installing a new kernel.  Why, and how do
> I fix it?

Sounds like something to do more with baselayout than with the kernel.
The big question is can you still start up your networking by hand.  IE:

ifconfig eth0 
route add default gw 

If this doesn't work see if your network card module is loaded.  If it
does work does /etc/init.d/net.eth0 start work?  If not, check
/etc/conf.d/net and /etc/conf.d/rc as suggested elsewhere.

Alan

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Re: [gentoo-user] Clock going crazy

[Antonio Coralles]

gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org wrote:

> perhaps if you continue to have problems you could give a more thorough
> explanation of the symptoms.
>
> Like, is the clock racing ahead or behind? Is it just set to the wrong
> time on boot, but goes fine after it is set?
>
> On Thu, 2005-05-19 at 11:03 -0700, rob3 wrote:
>> David D. Rea wrote:
>>
>> >On Thu, May 19, 2005 10:15 am, rob3 said:
>> >  
>> >
>> >>I am not certain if this is a Gentoo problem, a bios problem, a mobo
>> >>problem, or what.   I just want to know if anyone else has seen it or
>> >>has it now.
>> >>
>> >>I can't keep the clock on the right time.   This Dell 8600 Laptop has a
>> >>brand new mobo in it.  So it seems crazy that the battery would be dead
>> >>already.  Windoze shows the same behavior.
>> >>
>> >>Thanks,  Rob
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >Is the clock bouncing between two hour times while the minute stays more
>> >or less correct? If so, then Gentoo is probably setting the hardware
> clock
>> >to UTC (universal time, or Greenwich Mean Time) when it shuts down, and
>> >Windoze is expecting local time on bootup... They may be messing
> with each
>> >other??
>> >
>> >Dave
>> >
>> >  
>> >
>> I don't know.  Dell support gave me a patch to the bios, so I will see
>> in the next day or so if it is bios, or OS issue.\
>>
>> Thanks!  Rob
> -- 
>
Maybe you'll find that intersesting:
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user/124619
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[gentoo-user] font parth reference

[Joseph]

When starting X I get:

Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"
Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/local/, removing from list!
Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/CID/, removing from list!

Why do I get this error message, is it because there are no fonts in
those directories or are these old path reference from X11?
Should I remove these path reference from xorg.conf? 

as well:
/usr/lib/X11/rgb: No such file or directory

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Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone Know Why a New Kernel Would Kill Networking?

[Antonio Coralles]

gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org wrote:

> On 5/19/05, Antonio Coralles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > wrote:
>> gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org  wrote:
>>
>> > I didn't change any networking options, but it looks like networking
>> > it trying to use IPv6 after installing a new kernel.  Why, and how do
>> > I fix it?
>> >
>> >
>> Say you switched from kernel A to kernel B:
>> What exactly is A and what B ?
>> antonio
>>
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>>
>>
>
> A = 2.6.9-rc14
> B = 2.6.12-rc3
>
Did you just copy your .config file from src-dir1 to src-dir2, which may
work most of the time but is not advised, or did you manually
reconfigure your kernel ?
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Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone Know Why a New Kernel Would Kill Networking?

[Michael Haan]

On 5/19/05, Alan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, May 19, 2005 at 03:41:26PM -0400, Michael Haan wrote:
> > I didn't change any networking options, but it looks like networking
> > it trying to use IPv6 after installing a new kernel.  Why, and how do
> > I fix it?
> 
> Sounds like something to do more with baselayout than with the kernel.
> The big question is can you still start up your networking by hand.  IE:
> 
> ifconfig eth0 
> route add default gw 
> 
> If this doesn't work see if your network card module is loaded.  If it
> does work does /etc/init.d/net.eth0 start work?  If not, check
> /etc/conf.d/net and /etc/conf.d/rc as suggested elsewhere.
> 
> Alan
> 
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> 
> 

I'll take a look at those things, but the odd thing is I can boot the
old kernel and networking is just fine.  Only the kernel has changed
(and not even the kernel options).

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Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone Know Why a New Kernel Would Kill Networking?

[Michael Haan]

On 5/19/05, Antonio Coralles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org wrote:
> 
> > On 5/19/05, Antonio Coralles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > wrote:
> >> gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org  wrote:
> >>
> >> > I didn't change any networking options, but it looks like networking
> >> > it trying to use IPv6 after installing a new kernel.  Why, and how do
> >> > I fix it?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> Say you switched from kernel A to kernel B:
> >> What exactly is A and what B ?
> >> antonio
> >>
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> >>
> >>
> >
> > A = 2.6.9-rc14
> > B = 2.6.12-rc3
> >
> Did you just copy your .config file from src-dir1 to src-dir2, which may
> work most of the time but is not advised, or did you manually
> reconfigure your kernel ?
> antonio
> 
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> 
> 

I did the whole "make mrproper" thing.

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Re: [gentoo-user] emerge/build problem

[Gerhard Hoogterp]

> try #env-update and check "/etc/ld.so.conf"
> it should be there, if not try to add it manually, run #ldconfig and
> reemerge "sys-apps/baselayout".
> Also I've heared of problems with this last one lately try to check the
> forum ;)

Nope, no sigar.. Actually the ldconfig checks the /lib and /usr/lib 
directories also when they are not in the conf file. Guess those two are 
hard-coded. The env-update I already did and reemerging the baselayout didn't 
help either.. 

But I did find a problem with the reiserfs filesystem on the /tmp partition. I 
can't delete emtpy directories. fsck says the disk is ok. So I guess I go for 
backup - format - restore.. Maybe that will  help..

Thanks nevertheless.. 
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Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone Know Why a New Kernel Would Kill Networking?

[Antonio Coralles]

gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org wrote:

> On 5/19/05, Antonio Coralles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > wrote:
>> gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org  wrote:
>>
>> > On 5/19/05, Antonio Coralles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
>> > > wrote:
>> >> gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
>  
> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > I didn't change any networking options, but it looks like networking
>> >> > it trying to use IPv6 after installing a new kernel.  Why, and
> how do
>> >> > I fix it?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> Say you switched from kernel A to kernel B:
>> >> What exactly is A and what B ?
>> >> antonio
>> >>
>> >> --
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>  
> mailing list
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > A = 2.6.9-rc14
>> > B = 2.6.12-rc3
>> >
>> Did you just copy your .config file from src-dir1 to src-dir2, which may
>> work most of the time but is not advised, or did you manually
>> reconfigure your kernel ?
>> antonio
>>
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>>
>>
>
> I did the whole "make mrproper" thing.
>
>
If I where you I would make sure that all modules are working and closly
look at $ dmesg. If that doesn't help, I would try a stable release, as
2.11.10 ...
antonio

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