Re: [Gimp-developer] [long] Suggestions + Patch, Redo (please dontflame), Part 1
On Wed, Jun 25, 2003 at 05:06:00PM +0200, David Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, the two big platforms where the GIMP will be used in the future are GNOME and KDE. Both of those follow the HIG guideline of Ctrl-Shift-Z. On windows, the main alternative app (photoshop) uses the same shortcut. While I totally agree to your agruments about following existing standards and/or practise, in Gimp we have the additional problem that ctrl-shift-z is not very ergonomical. Unlike word processors, undo-redo (repeatedly) is quite a normal and very common operation with gimp to compare operations or filters. -- -==- | ==-- _ | ---==---(_)__ __ __ Marc Lehmann +-- --==---/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / [EMAIL PROTECTED] |e| -=/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ XX11-RIPE --+ The choice of a GNU generation | | ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] [long] Suggestions + Patch, Redo (please dontflame), Part 1
On Thu, Jun 26, 2003 at 03:21:03AM +0200, Marc A. Lehmann wrote: Well, the two big platforms where the GIMP will be used in the future are GNOME and KDE. Both of those follow the HIG guideline of Ctrl-Shift-Z. On windows, the main alternative app (photoshop) uses the same shortcut. While I totally agree to your agruments about following existing standards and/or practise, in Gimp we have the additional problem that ctrl-shift-z is not very ergonomical. Unlike word processors, undo-redo (repeatedly) is quite a normal and very common operation with gimp to compare operations or filters. Why not simply (?) use both keystrokes? Bye, Tino. -- * LINUX - Where do you want to be tomorrow? * http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/linux/tag/ ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] [long] Suggestions + Patch, Redo (please dontflame), Part 1
Jakub Steiner wrote: big snip If we were to be consistent, this would have changed so that the shift key is again again the invertor. But this would mean a lot of replacing of Ctrl/Shift throughout the tools. I, for one, would welcome some thought put into consistency. As would I. I would like to get some usability people to have a look at the current CVS gimp and give us ideas as to what we can do to make the interface more consistent, and more user-friendly. In the meantime, there are some basics - keystrokes which are so common elsewhere that the fact that we use something else is an aberration, and has just stayed like that for ages, rather than a policy decision. The HIG is a good start, as are the OpenDesktop reccommendations/standards (which we've been following for the most part). It would be nice to consistentise the interface between now and GIMP:TNG. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Gimp-developer] [long] Suggestions + Patch, Redo (please dontflame), Part 1
Hi, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tino Schwarze) writes: Why not simply (?) use both keystrokes? Because IIRC, GTK+ simply does not support this. Apart from that, I think it would introduce clutter and confusion. Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] [long] Suggestions + Patch, Redo (please dontflame), Part 1
Hi, Alan Horkan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So I have made it pretty clear that many many people would be more comfortable with having Ctrl+Shift+Z but I have not forgotten about those of you who have been using the Gimp for a very long time. One option is to reassig the keybinding manually. There also already exists a Menu Configuration File for Photoshop users, I propose a Menu Configuration for users who like the current menu configuration and dont want things changed (there was a bug report about being allowed to change and reset the menurc from the preferences dialog but i am not sure of its current state). I think we shouldn't do this change since I can not follow your arguments. Everyone seems to be using a different keybinding for Redo and we use Ctrl-R for quite some time now. Why should we change the default? Perhaps we need a hig-menurc... Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] [long] Suggestions + Patch, Redo (please dontflame), Part 1
Sven Neumann wrote: Alan Horkan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So I have made it pretty clear that many many people would be more comfortable with having Ctrl+Shift+Z but I have not forgotten about those of you who have been using the Gimp for a very long time. One option is to reassig the keybinding manually. I think we shouldn't do this change since I can not follow your arguments. Everyone seems to be using a different keybinding for Redo and we use Ctrl-R for quite some time now. Why should we change the default? Perhaps we need a hig-menurc... Well, the two big platforms where the GIMP will be used in the future are GNOME and KDE. Both of those follow the HIG guideline of Ctrl-Shift-Z. On windows, the main alternative app (photoshop) uses the same shortcut. I think following the HIG by default is a good thing. People will get used to the new defaults. I'd have more of a problem with having those kinds of things as options, to be quite honest. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
