Re: Pathtool?
On Mon, Feb 07, 2000 at 09:43:17AM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6 Feb, Marc Lehmann wrote: This has been mentioned at least three times on this list: one of them works, the other doesn't. Both don't work correctly, as I stated before. Do you read my mails? The Bezier Select Tool behaves very strange: Points appear automatically here and there and sometimes I can't change a curve. I don't know how this can be reproduced as I can't trigger this bugs always... :/ It has the problem of being very sensitive to pointer accuracy :( Other than that it works very well, but the bezier tool is perhaps one of the most complex tools in a image manipulation program. It is also one of the most powerful ones, thus taking some time to learn. But the point in the path tool is that it was intended as a replacement _gui_ for the bezier tool, making the _gui_ more usable. Like it has been mentioned before, it is work in progress and thus doesnt do anything useful yet. There is no problem in deciding which one to keep, once it works and is debugged, the current bezier tool shall die and the path tool shall take its place in the glory. Even a gimp-beginner can find this out in minute or so. A beginner will most probably not use this tool for making selection because it'll give strange results if you don't know how it works... No, this aren't just my thoughts. I demonstrated the GIMP to quite a lot of people who are using it now and tell me those things. I have made a tutorial on this, which you might find helpful (at least a lot of people have told me it helped them) http://tigert.gimp.org/gimp/tutorials/ It is just a complex tool, and requires quite a bit of practice. The path tool plays a major role in photoshop books and courses too. Tuomas -- .---( t i g e r t @ g i m p . o r g )---. | some stuff at http://tigert.gimp.org/ | `---'
Re: Pathtool?
On 6 Feb, Marc Lehmann wrote: This has been mentioned at least three times on this list: one of them works, the other doesn't. Both don't work correctly, as I stated before. Do you read my mails? The Bezier Select Tool behaves very strange: Points appear automatically here and there and sometimes I can't change a curve. I don't know how this can be reproduced as I can't trigger this bugs always... :/ Even a gimp-beginner can find this out in minute or so. A beginner will most probably not use this tool for making selection because it'll give strange results if you don't know how it works... No, this aren't just my thoughts. I demonstrated the GIMP to quite a lot of people who are using it now and tell me those things. Serious question: are you reading this list, or are you ignoring what others write? I am not so sure anymore... I do read this list but I can't read any messages that didn't go through my mail system first, if you know a fix for this, I'd really appreciate it... :) -- Servus, Daniel
Re: [gimp-devel] Re: Pathtool?
Sven Neumann ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Daniel Egger wrote: It works, it may not have all the features that Simon desired but it's nice nevertheless... Do you have any idea how much work is needed to integrate it with the Paths dialog? A number of new bugs would certainly be introduced by doing so. That's why I say: It's too late! Agreed. Its a pity that I dont have the time to complete the tool at the moment and - as pointed out earlier - I dont dare to touch the Path-Dialog in the current feature-freeze state. The converting-to-selection should be pretty easy. I'd like to hear the thoughts of developers, too Hmm - Sven is no developer??? Did you mean me? I did the above statement some time ago - so what? The behaviour of the old Path-tool is strange - yes. But I dont think it is buggy. I can not remember how to use it and so it sometimes seems strange when clicking on an anchor creates a new anchor. But this is not a bug: To move an anchor you have to press IIRC Ctrl. Bye, Simon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.home.unix-ag.org/simon/
Re: Pathtool?
On 5 Feb, Nick Lamb wrote: Please do not step forward and say "I'll do it", the time for that was in November or at the latest December, and there was conspicuous silence during my last Triage thread from those named to defend their code. You are right, it's time to cleanup. Unfortunately I don't know which code is in a better state to stay and which one has to go. Now is a good time to check-in fixes to code that you left in an untidy state (expect some File plug-in code in that vein) and to file bug reports for mysterious occurences that you've been putting up with during the development cycle. Me or Sven? And what "mysterious occurences"? Tell me, I'd like to fix them all... :) -- Servus, Daniel
Re: Pathtool?
On Sat, Feb 05, 2000 at 05:26:57PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are right, it's time to cleanup. Unfortunately I don't know which code is in a better state to stay and which one has to go. This has been mentioned at least three times on this list: one of them works, the other doesn't. Even a gimp-beginner can find this out in a minute or so. Serious question: are you reading this list, or are you ignoring what others write? I am not so sure anymore... -- -==- | ==-- _ | ---==---(_)__ __ __ Marc Lehmann +-- --==---/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / [EMAIL PROTECTED] |e| -=/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ XX11-RIPE --+ The choice of a GNU generation | |
Re: Pathtool?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Pathtool? Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 12:03:44 +0100 (CET) Which one should we keep? Or better: should we merge it into one Tool which works nicely AND has a support dialog? I hope them to be merged into one tool with support dialog. Anyway, the dialog window title should be something like "Layers, Channels and Path" or so. FUJITA Yuji [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Pathtool?
Hi, Daniel, please, do you follow the discussions on this list? At the moment we have got 2 Pathtools in GIMP. One which is called Bezierselect in the Toolbox but has a Path dialog (in the Layers/Channels dialog???) and another one called Path tool. The latter works a lot nicer IMHO but I haven't managed yet to transform a path into a selection and the former has better support in form of a dialog. Which one should we keep? Or better: should we merge it into one Tool which works nicely AND has a support dialog? OK, I'll repeat it once again: The new tool was an approach to design a better path tool taken by Simon Budig. The goal was to exchange the user interface of the BezierSelect tool when it becomes useable. Simon didn't find the time to complete it and noone else did. There's no need to discuss which path tool should make it into 1.2, since there is only one that is working. You are too late if you want to change this now! The Path tool will not be in Gimp-1.2. Same applies to the Xinput Airbrush unless someone fixes it really quick now (I see a small chance for the Xinput Airbrush to be fixed in time since its a standalone tool). Salutm Sven Salut, Sven
Re: Pathtool?
On 5 Feb, FUJITA Yuji wrote: Which one should we keep? Or better: should we merge it into one Tool which works nicely AND has a support dialog? I hope them to be merged into one tool with support dialog. Anyway, the dialog window title should be something like "Layers, Channels and Path" or so. Yes, forgot to mention that :) -- Servus, Daniel
Re: Pathtool?
On 5 Feb, Sven Neumann wrote: Do you have any idea how much work is needed to integrate it with the Paths dialog? No, not yet, but I'll have a closer look on this. A number of new bugs would certainly be introduced by doing so. That's why I say: It's too late! Every line of code introduces new bugs... I'd like to hear the thoughts of developers, too You hereby finally managed to make your way onto my kill-list. Expect me to ignore your mails in the future. Nice way of discussing problems, congratulations -- Servus, Daniel
Re: Pathtool?
On Sat, Feb 05, 2000 at 01:46:14PM +0100, Sven Neumann wrote: Do you have any idea how much work is needed to integrate it with the Paths dialog? A number of new bugs would certainly be introduced by doing so. That's why I say: It's too late! Agreed. Broken stuff with no-one working on it is doomed. Please do not step forward and say "I'll do it", the time for that was in November or at the latest December, and there was conspicuous silence during my last Triage thread from those named to defend their code. Now is a good time to check-in fixes to code that you left in an untidy state (expect some File plug-in code in that vein) and to file bug reports for mysterious occurences that you've been putting up with during the development cycle. Nick.
Re: Pathtool?
On Sat, Feb 05, 2000 at 01:28:43PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's no need to discuss which path tool should make it into 1.2, since there is only one that is working. It works, it may not have all the features that Simon desired but it's nice nevertheless... It doesnt work. You can click to add points, and move them around. It is very nice start for a new gui for Bezier tool but it is not _working_ since you cannot really do anything useful with it yet. Tuomas -- .---( t i g e r t @ g i m p . o r g )---. | some stuff at http://tigert.gimp.org/ | `---'
