Re: [Gimp-user] A "non-tool" selection...

2009-08-28 Thread Martin Nordholts
On 08/29/2009 12:58 AM, zed wrote:
> As a very new user of the Gimp, I find it annoying that there appears to be
> no selection tool that turns off all tools.  I am thinking of a package like
> Inscape, where the default is that when loaded no tool is selected and one
> has to make a selection before anything happens.
>
> Is there such a tool in the Gimp?  If there is, please will someone tell me
> how to select it, 'cos I just cannot find it?

There currently isn't, but the transform tool will be pretty similar to 
the default Inkscape tool:

http://gui.gimp.org/index.php/Transformation_tool_specification

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Re: [Gimp-user] A "non-tool" selection...

2009-08-28 Thread phanisvara das
On Saturday 29 August 2009 08:15:11 zed wrote:
> That, together with the fact that at the start a tool is
> selected and I click on the image and wonder what has happened and how I
> change it..  

i had the same "problem" when i started using gimp. not used to the shape and 
meaning of pointers, i was wondering what might happen if i clicked somewhere 
on the open image. quick way to choose an "inoffensive" tool that doesn't 
change anything inadvertantly is hitting "e" on the keyboard, activating the 
ellypse selection tool, or "r" for rectangle selection. and if you happen to do 
something you didn't want to, there's always ctrl-z to "undo" whatever you 
did...

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Re: [Gimp-user] A "non-tool" selection...

2009-08-28 Thread zed
Greg Chapman  wrote:

> Hi Zed,
> 
> On 28 Aug 09 23:58 zed  said:
> > I find it annoying that there appears to be no selection tool that turns
> > off all tools.
> 
[snipped but read and absorbed]
> 
> Effectively, this is the same question that new users often ask, "How do I
> stop the pointer change shape?" The answer is by stopping moving the
> pointer. In other words, stopping work!  It reflects a total lack of
> understanding of one of the main functions of the pointer. It's telling
you
> what will happen if you click or drag with the current tool selected. It's
> a warning that you may need to change tools, or a confirmation that the
> intended thing will happen as you click or drag.

You are absolutely correct, Greg, it is my lack of understanding which lead
to the question.  That, together with the fact that at the start a tool is
selected and I click on the image and wonder what has happened and how I
change it..  Don't worry, I will train my brain to be more logical.  Put it
down to the fact that I'm well past my use by date and trying to take on
board new concepts is becoming a tad challenging.

Regards

Zed

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Re: [Gimp-user] Modifying an image...

2009-08-28 Thread zed
Bob Long  wrote:

> zed wrote:
> > I am very new to The Gimp and, at the moment, floundering :-(
> > 
> > I want to have some CDs printed with the LinuxMINT logo but the person
> > printing the CDs for me wants the image modified to remove the 'hole' in
> > the centre.
> > 
> > I've copied part of the image in an ellipse to cover the 'hole' but am
> > left with the edge of the circle, and have no idea how to blend this
> > with the rest of the image.
> > 
> > Any tips would be very welcome but not "too" technical, please.
> 
> A non-GIMP solution: look at using the Draw component of the
> OpenOffice.org software. By manipulating circle shapes you can make the
> outside of the image circular, and also hide the centre hole. Still use
> GIMP for manipulating the image itself, but it can remain square, say.
> 

As is said, "There's more than one way to kill the cat" :-)  I'll give ooO
Draw a go.  Thank you.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Modifying an image...

2009-08-28 Thread zed
Greg Chapman  wrote:

> Hi Zed,
> 
> On 28 Aug 09 23:52 zed  said:
> > Although not perfect, the result I achieved with feathering is
> > reasonably acceptable.  What is better, is that I have learnt something.
> 
> I confess that normally I'd use the clone stamp tool for covering some
> "blemish" in an image.
> 
> Using a soft-edged brush should allow you to obtain a very satisfactory
> result as it gives you finer control than trying to take a single lump of
> colour from one place to another.

Thanks for the additional tip.  Now I've started playing with the Gimp, I
can see I have much to learn.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Modifying an image...

2009-08-28 Thread Bob Long
zed wrote:
> I am very new to The Gimp and, at the moment, floundering :-(
> 
> I want to have some CDs printed with the LinuxMINT logo but the person
> printing the CDs for me wants the image modified to remove the 'hole' in the
> centre.
> 
> I've copied part of the image in an ellipse to cover the 'hole' but am left
> with the edge of the circle, and have no idea how to blend this with the
> rest of the image.
> 
> Any tips would be very welcome but not "too" technical, please.

A non-GIMP solution: look at using the Draw component of the 
OpenOffice.org software. By manipulating circle shapes you can make the 
outside of the image circular, and also hide the centre hole. Still use 
GIMP for manipulating the image itself, but it can remain square, say.

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Re: [Gimp-user] A "non-tool" selection...

2009-08-28 Thread Greg Chapman
Hi Zed,

On 28 Aug 09 23:58 zed  said:
> I find it annoying that there 
> appears to be no selection tool that turns off all tools.

I am confused by this feature request.

The GIMP is an image editing package not an image display package. 
Therefore, by definition, you will always need some tool turned on in 
order to start work. Why turn everything off?

If the default tool available on startup is not the one you want then 
you just click to change it. What's the difference between this and 
starting with no tool selected and clicking it to start?

At no point will you ever want to turn off ALL tools. The only time 
you'd want to do that is when you want to quit the program, and then 
you might as well quit the program, why turn it into a two stage quit 
the tool then quit the program process?

Effectively, this is the same question that new users often ask, "How 
do I stop the pointer change shape?" The answer is by stopping moving 
the pointer. In other words, stopping work!  It reflects a total lack 
of undestanding of one of the main functions of the pointer. It's 
telling you what will happen if you click or drag with the current 
tool selected. It's a warning that you may need to change tools, or a 
confirmation that the intended thing will happen as you click or drag.

Greg Chapman
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Re: [Gimp-user] Modifying an image...

2009-08-28 Thread Greg Chapman
Hi Zed,

On 28 Aug 09 23:52 zed  said:
> Although not perfect, the result I achieved with feathering is 
> reasonably acceptable.  What is better, is that I have learnt 
> something.

I confess that normally I'd use the clone stamp tool for covering some
"blemish" in an image.

Using a soft-edged brush should allow you to obtain a very 
satisfactory result as it gives you finer control than trying to take 
a single lump of colour from one place to another.

Greg Chapman
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[Gimp-user] A "non-tool" selection...

2009-08-28 Thread zed
As a very new user of the Gimp, I find it annoying that there appears to be
no selection tool that turns off all tools.  I am thinking of a package like
Inscape, where the default is that when loaded no tool is selected and one
has to make a selection before anything happens.

Is there such a tool in the Gimp?  If there is, please will someone tell me
how to select it, 'cos I just cannot find it?

Regards from New Zealand on a very pleasant Saturday morning.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Modifying an image...

2009-08-28 Thread zed
Greg Chapman  wrote:

> Hi Zed,
> 
> On 28 Aug 09 02:28 zed  said:
> > I've copied part of the image in an ellipse to cover the 'hole' but am
> > left with the edge of the circle, and have no idea how to blend this
> > with the rest of the image.
> 
> When you select the part of the image you want, before copying, apply some
> feathering to it. This provides a blurred edge which should achieve a
> subtle blend when pasted to cover the hole.

Thank you, Greg.  Although not perfect, the result I achieved with
feathering is reasonably acceptable.  What is better, is that I have learnt
something.

Regards from New Zealand on a very pleasant Saturday morning.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Modifying an image...

2009-08-28 Thread Greg Chapman
Hi Zed,

On 28 Aug 09 02:28 zed  said:
> I've copied part of the image in an ellipse to cover the 'hole' but 
> am left with the edge of the circle, and have no idea how to blend 
> this with the rest of the image.

When you select the part of the image you want, before copying, apply 
some feathering to it. This provides a blurred edge which should 
achieve a subtle blend when pasted to cover the hole.

Greg Chapman
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