[Gimp-user] How to remove background of shadowed and/or low-resolution and/or more complex images

2011-05-24 Thread Sophoklis Goumas
Hello everyone and especially to the gimp-user mailing list regulars.

I am trying to create a network infrastructure diagram for where I
work with Dia. (In fact it will actually help me much more than anyone
else, but that's not the subject.)

For this I am putting into the diagram, images of: servers, switches,
racks and so on. What I wish for those images is to have transparent
background. So far, I've been able to find decent resolution images
which it's because I've started with the latest hardware.
Here's an example, let's say for our Dell PowerEdge 6850 servers if found this:
http://www.shopricom.com/items/www.shopricom.com/photos/Image78N743uMRZ_full.jpg

which by fuzzy selecting the white background, with a threshold of
15.0 and some selection subtractions I've been able to turn to:
http://i.imgur.com/xyCYn.png
which is nice for what I wish to use it for.

Now, I've been able to handle some easy likewise situations but now
I've reached the vintage hardware and got bad results. Let me show an
example image:
http://www.superwarehouse.com/images/products/HP_Proliant_ml370.jpg

This is more difficult to make it look as I wish since it's resolution
it's not decent and it also has a shadow effect which hardens a
precise initial selection which can then be worked out to a better
result.

After some efforts I either end up with a pixelized image or with a
severely chopped image.

So, my question is how could I achieve the desired result for this and
such images?
How would do you work out similar or even more advanced cases?

Thanks in advance for your time and attention,
Sophoklis
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Re: [Gimp-user] How to remove background of shadowed and/or low-resolution and/or more complex images

2011-05-24 Thread Stefan Maerz

 So, my question is how could I achieve the desired result for this and
 such images?
 How would do you work out similar or even more advanced cases?


Hi Sophoklis,

There are a few good methods to use.

For cutting out a logo, sometimes using ColorsColor to Alpha with the 
background color selected does the job well.

For this I would recommend using the Eraser tool, and tracing the 
outline of the server. Square objects are pretty simple to do - use the 
shift button to drag your Eraser tool from point A to point B.

-Stefan Maerz
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Re: [Gimp-user] How to remove background of shadowed and/or low-resolution and/or more complex images

2011-05-24 Thread peter kostov
On 05/24/2011 11:06 PM, Stefan Maerz wrote:

 So, my question is how could I achieve the desired result for this and
 such images?
 How would do you work out similar or even more advanced cases?


 Hi Sophoklis,

 There are a few good methods to use.

 For cutting out a logo, sometimes using ColorsColor to Alpha with the
 background color selected does the job well.

 For this I would recommend using the Eraser tool, and tracing the
 outline of the server. Square objects are pretty simple to do - use the
 shift button to drag your Eraser tool from point A to point B.

 -Stefan Maerz

Another option is painting on a layer mask - it is like the eraser tool, 
but much more convenient to rework and correct. But it is almost 
impossible to achieve crisp edges this way. For hard and crisp edges it 
may be better to use the pen tool and trace the contour of the object 
with it creating a path, that you can edit and later turn into selection.
Have in mind that color to alpha removes the selected color from the 
whole image (except if you already have a selection).

Greetings,
Peter
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Re: [Gimp-user] How to remove background of shadowed and/or low-resolution and/or more complex images

2011-05-24 Thread Stefan Maerz

 Another option is painting on a layer mask - it is like the eraser tool,
 but much more convenient to rework and correct.
Good suggestion. Though I just found out about a new eraser tool feature 
by accident, so I thought I'd share.

If you erase (with the eraser tool) an area and want it back, you can 
press Alt while Erasing to restore the original pixels.

-Stefan Maerz
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Re: [Gimp-user] How to remove background of shadowed and/or low-resolution and/or more complex images

2011-05-24 Thread Mikel Garai
Hi!

In this situations what I do is:

- select by either free tool or the scissors (depending on the case is 
easier with one or the other)
- create a layer mask from the selection
- adjust the little things than were not perfect

after that and optionally to simulate the antialias and avoid the hard 
edges:
- apply a gaussian blur to the mask (probably very little, 2-3px or so)
- to avoid the white aura around the object use the levels tool with 
that layer moving the left handler to the right until you are happy with 
the result

It's easier than it sound.

hope this helps and good luck!

- mIKEL

El 24/05/11 21:58, Sophoklis Goumas escribió:
 So, my question is how could I achieve the desired result for this and
 such images?
 How would do you work out similar or even more advanced cases?

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Re: [Gimp-user] How to remove background of shadowed and/or low-resolution and/or more complex images

2011-05-24 Thread Ofnuts

On 05/24/2011 10:23 PM, peter kostov wrote:
 Another option is painting on a layer mask - it is like the eraser tool,
 but much more convenient to rework and correct. But it is almost
 impossible to achieve crisp edges this way. For hard and crisp edges it
 may be better to use the pen tool and trace the contour of the object
 with it creating a path, that you can edit and later turn into selection.
 Have in mind that color to alpha removes the selected color from the
 whole image (except if you already have a selection).
What I do usually is restriuct color to alpha to a thin border around 
the object edges;

1) magic wand to select background, if the background is not uniform 
(JPEG artifacts, for instance) and there are unselected spots, 
shift-click them to include them in the selection

2) save that selection

3) shrink the selection 3 pixels

4) erase, this takes care of most of the backgound

5) restore saved selection

6) extend it two pixels so that is extends slightly inside the object.

7) apply color-to-alpha

Done.

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Re: [Gimp-user] How to remove background of shadowed and/or low-resolution and/or more complex images

2011-05-24 Thread Elwin Estle
When painting on a layer mask, if you use a dynamic brush created in the brush 
editor, you can set up in your preferences to allow  you to resize and change 
the brush hardness on the fly while you are painting.  I have mine set up so 
that pressing shift while scrolling the mousewheel increases/decreases the 
brush size, and ctrl with mousewheel increases/decreases hardness.  This way 
you can paint hard edges on parts of the mask that need hard edges, and soft 
edges where you need those.  You can render against the intended background 
and see what it will look like as you go.

Further, for straight edges, it is a simple matter to use the shift key to let 
you draw nice straight lines when you are painting on the mask.

There is a tutorial on Gimptalk about doing renders with layer masks...tho some 
of the images got removed when GT shut down imageox, their image server.

--- On Tue, 5/24/11, peter kostov g...@light-bg.com wrote:

 From: peter kostov g...@light-bg.com
 Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] How to remove background of shadowed and/or 
 low-resolution and/or more complex images
 To: gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU
 Date: Tuesday, May 24, 2011, 4:23 PM
 On 05/24/2011 11:06 PM, Stefan Maerz
 wrote:
 
  So, my question is how could I achieve the desired
 result for this and
  such images?
  How would do you work out similar or even more
 advanced cases?
 
 
  Hi Sophoklis,
 
  There are a few good methods to use.
 
  For cutting out a logo, sometimes using
 ColorsColor to Alpha with the
  background color selected does the job well.
 
  For this I would recommend using the Eraser tool, and
 tracing the
  outline of the server. Square objects are pretty
 simple to do - use the
  shift button to drag your Eraser tool from point A to
 point B.
 
  -Stefan Maerz
 
 Another option is painting on a layer mask - it is like the
 eraser tool, 
 but much more convenient to rework and correct. But it is
 almost 
 impossible to achieve crisp edges this way. For hard and
 crisp edges it 
 may be better to use the pen tool and trace the contour of
 the object 
 with it creating a path, that you can edit and later turn
 into selection.
 Have in mind that color to alpha removes the selected
 color from the 
 whole image (except if you already have a selection).
 
 Greetings,
 Peter
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