Re: [Gimp-user] [ANNOUNCE] GIMP 2.10.22
On 10/8/20 1:57 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine via gimp-user-list wrote: > Hi, > > GIMP 2.10.22 is out. Release highlights: > > - Improved HEIC and newly added AVIF support > - Numerous improvements in the PSP file format support > - Improved multi-layer TIFF exporting > - Better handling of the Exif “Orientation” metadata > - New “Sample merged” option in the GEGL operation tool > > Details: https://www.gimp.org/news/2020/10/07/gimp-2-10-22-released/ > > Windows installer is available, so is the flatpak for Linux. > Unfortunately, we won't have a build for macOS until someone steps up > and contributes it. > > Alex > ___ > gimp-user-list mailing list > List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org > List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list > List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-user-list Awesome! I look forward to trying it out! Peace... Tom -- /When I leave, I don't know what I'm hoping to find, And when I leave, I don't know what I'm leaving behind.../ ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Orientations, Copyright Notices, metadata, and resized layers
On 10/2/20 7:15 PM, Ruben Safir wrote: >> Anyway, when I open the original photo in GIMP and choose "rotate", I >> made NO other changes and simply exported the rotated image. Then, I >> opened that image in Firefox and it appeared correct: >> https://imgur.com/a/tsgEiGF > > Actually, you did nothing to the image if I understand you. It is > just the same broken unrotated image reexported. > > You didn't actually ROTATE it > > Image==>Transform==>Rotate 90º Counter-Clockwise > Correct. I simply opened it, chose "Rotate", and did the export. I didn't touch anything else. Peace... Tom -- /When I leave, I don't know what I'm hoping to find, And when I leave, I don't know what I'm leaving behind.../ ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Orientations, Copyright Notices, metadata, and resized layers
On 10/2/20 7:06 PM, Ruben Safir wrote: > On Fri, Oct 02, 2020 at 06:44:12PM -0700, Tom Williams via gimp-user-list > wrote: >> On 10/2/20 5:57 PM, Ruben Safir wrote: >>> You need to really download them and view them in the gimp and examine >>> the exif because on the original images coming out of the camera, SOME >>> applications, like new firefox, read the camera's orientation data >>> and display accordingly. Some applications do not. The solution is >>> to actually rotate the actual image. >>> >>> Actually, if I was going to modernize this, there would be 2 options, >>> one to just rotate by chaning the exif data, and one to physically >>> rotate the image. >> Thanks for the additional information (this message and the other >> message). I actually DID download both images and I opened them in >> GIMP 2.10.20 on Ubuntu 20.04 Linux. I opened the original image in >> Firefox and it was rotated by 90-degress counter-clockwise, so it >> appeared like this: >> >> https://imgur.com/a/S5RRJE8 >> >> Of course, my highlighting in red didn't appear. :) So, then I >> opened the original photo in GIMP and I was asked if I wanted to rotate >> the photo or not, as shown here: >> > I get no prompt, not that I feel I need one. It is a raster image editor > and it should just open the file as it is, regardless of hints. > > and it is a landscape image, as it should be. > It is interesting that the previewer corrects the orientation.. Do you recall ever getting that prompt? There is a check-box to disable showing it. > >> https://imgur.com/a/eICgy7a >> >> When I opened the rotated photo you posted the link to, the "After" >> photo, GIMP prompted me to rotate the photo, as shown here: >> >> https://imgur.com/kozuYXt >> >> Are you getting the same prompts from GIMP, when you open the photos? >> If so, which option do you choose? > That image is portrat in its native state, but in firefox is rotated > landscape, and BTW 180 degrees backwards from the original, as if it > was rotated twice, which it is when it is rotated correctly and then > the wrong hint tells firefox to rotate it again. > > It is a GIMP problem. It makes the rotation but doesn't record it in > the exif > > > >> Anyway, when I open the original photo in GIMP and choose "rotate", I >> made NO other changes and simply exported the rotated image. Then, I >> opened that image in Firefox and it appeared correct: >> >> https://imgur.com/a/tsgEiGF >> > Um - that is not what it does > > it is landscape. > http://www.mrbrklyn.com/images/brooklyn/2020_09_fishing/IMG_4577.2.JPG > > My guess is your rotated image does not save any exif data > These are options on exporting, to save or not exif data Ok, so I think I finally experienced what you describe. What I did was open the image you posted the link to above in GIMP and got the prompt to rotate or not. This time, I chose "Keep original" instead of "Rotate" and the image appeared in portrait orientation. I then exported the photo and opened it in Firefox and it appeared landscape. So then, I opened your image again and chose "Rotate". This time, the image appeared in landscape orientation _in_ GIMP. I manually rotated it 90-degrees clockwise (I was mistaken by my previous counter-clockwise comment :) ) and exported it. When I opened this manually rotated image in Firefox, it appeared in portrait orientation. I then opened my manually rotated image in GIMP and viewed the image metadata and saw a TON of EXIF information, including the Canon EOS Rebel camera info (I don't have a Canon EOS camera). You can see the exported version of the image I manually rotated here: https://imgur.com/a/Sc4uYU2 In that image, you should be able to see the EXIF data that was preserved during export. When I open that image, the one I manually rotated, in Firefox, it opens in portrait orientation. Based on what I'm seeing, if I manually rotate the image from landscape to portrait orientation, everything works as desired. > > >> I haven't touched ANY EXIF settings at all and when exporting from GIMP, >> I used the export defaults, for JPEG, which included EXIF, XMP, and IPTC >> information being saved with the file. I think I understand your issue >> with the image getting rotated unexpectedly, but I'm not necessarily >> sure GIMP is at fault, at least not based on the steps I followed. >> >> When you load the images, are you getting different results? Which >> version of GIMP are you using and on which operating system? >> > [ruben@flatbush ~]$ gimp -v > GNU Imag
Re: [Gimp-user] Orientations, Copyright Notices, metadata, and resized layers
On 10/2/20 5:57 PM, Ruben Safir wrote:
> You need to really download them and view them in the gimp and examine
> the exif because on the original images coming out of the camera, SOME
> applications, like new firefox, read the camera's orientation data
> and display accordingly. Some applications do not. The solution is
> to actually rotate the actual image.
>
> Actually, if I was going to modernize this, there would be 2 options,
> one to just rotate by chaning the exif data, and one to physically
> rotate the image.
Thanks for the additional information (this message and the other
message). I actually DID download both images and I opened them in
GIMP 2.10.20 on Ubuntu 20.04 Linux. I opened the original image in
Firefox and it was rotated by 90-degress counter-clockwise, so it
appeared like this:
https://imgur.com/a/S5RRJE8
Of course, my highlighting in red didn't appear. :) So, then I
opened the original photo in GIMP and I was asked if I wanted to rotate
the photo or not, as shown here:
https://imgur.com/a/eICgy7a
When I opened the rotated photo you posted the link to, the "After"
photo, GIMP prompted me to rotate the photo, as shown here:
https://imgur.com/kozuYXt
Are you getting the same prompts from GIMP, when you open the photos?
If so, which option do you choose?
Anyway, when I open the original photo in GIMP and choose "rotate", I
made NO other changes and simply exported the rotated image. Then, I
opened that image in Firefox and it appeared correct:
https://imgur.com/a/tsgEiGF
I haven't touched ANY EXIF settings at all and when exporting from GIMP,
I used the export defaults, for JPEG, which included EXIF, XMP, and IPTC
information being saved with the file. I think I understand your issue
with the image getting rotated unexpectedly, but I'm not necessarily
sure GIMP is at fault, at least not based on the steps I followed.
When you load the images, are you getting different results? Which
version of GIMP are you using and on which operating system?
Thanks!
Peace...
Tom
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 02, 2020 at 08:53:43PM -0400, Ruben Safir wrote:
>> On Fri, Oct 02, 2020 at 05:30:48PM -0700, Tom via gimp-user-list wrote:
>>> On 10/2/20 5:10 PM, Ruben Safir wrote:
On Sat, Oct 03, 2020 at 12:23:18AM +0200, Ofnuts wrote:
> On 02/10/2020 23:33, Ruben Safir wrote:
>>> But AFAIK when Gimp edits an image, it removes the Exif Orientation
>>> flag, so the image should be displayed with the default orientation,
>> Whatever it is doing it is doing it 100% wrong 100% of the time and I
>> have to go into the file with VIM and remove the exif.
> No such problem for me, and again, there are free tools to remove EXIF
> if necessary, for instance with ExifTool:
>
> exiftool -all= {file}
>
Or it can just be done correctly in the primary image manipulation tool,
within the Gimp
>> And somehow it is putting my name in there. Is that really necessary as
>> if I don't have enough things tracking me the universe.
>>
>> I don't think it is coming from my Cannon Camera.
> Either your camera or you have entered a default comment. Create an
> image from scratch with Gimp and see if it contains your name...
>
>> If you want, I can demonstrate this. Remove the EXIF and it orients
>> correctly.
>>
>>
>> I just fixed
>> http://www.mrbrklyn.com/brooklyn/images/2020_09_fishing/bike.jpg
>>
>> by MANUALLY removeing the EXIF data from near top of the file.
>> It was correct in the GIMP and sideway in most of the rest of the
>> world..most importantly in Firefox et al
> You are not demonstrating anything, we need the before and after images.
>
I am aware of that. I can demostrate it easily enough
Before =>
http://www.mrbrklyn.com/brooklyn/images/2020_09_fishing/IMG_4577.JPG
After =>
http://www.mrbrklyn.com/brooklyn/images/2020_09_fishing/IMG_4577.2.JPG
the EXIF needs to be fixed..
>>> Thanks for posting the sample images. Please excuse me but I don't
>>> understand what the problem is. Is it the "After" image is _not_
>>> supposed to appear 90-degrees rotated? When I view the "After"
>>> image in Firefox (and Opera), it appears rotated 90-degrees.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>
>> The original is 90° tilted as I tilted the camera to get a verticle
>> image
>>
>>
>> It opens in the gimp sideways, as it should since I took the pic that
>> way.
>>
>> The "after pic" is rotated to the correct position.
>> ... or it should be.
>>
>> It is in the GIMP
>>
>> It exif is pointing it to the incorrect orientation now.
>> This is an example of tech trying to make things "simple"
>> and they are not simple. They are broken.
>>
>> When you rotation the image the exif that is saved needs to be
>> fixed, or eliminated.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Last, the exported image is what you see on the canvas, an dis the size
>>> of the canvas. Out-of-canvas
Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP 2.10.18 released
On 2/24/20 1:25 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine via gimp-user-list wrote: > Hello, > > A new version of GIMP is out. Release highlights: > > - Tools are now grouped in the toolbox by default > - Sliders now use a compact style with improved user interaction > - Dockable areas now highlighted when a dockable dialog is being dragged > - Vastly improved user experience for the transformation preview > - New 3D Transform tool to rotate and pan items > - Much smoother brush outline preview motion on the canvas > - Symmetry painting enhancements > - Faster loading of ABR brushes > - PSD support improvements > - Consolidated user interface for merging down and anchoring layers > - Update check to notify users of new releases available > > For more information, please see > https://www.gimp.org/news/2020/02/24/gimp-2-10-18-released/. > > Flatpak and the build for macOS are late arrivals and will be > announced separately. > > Best regards, > Alex > Awesomeness! I'm looking forward to checking out this version! Congratulations!!! Peace... Tom -- /When I leave, I don't know what I'm hoping to find, And when I leave, I don't know what I'm leaving behind.../ ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] [Gimp-developer] 2019 project report
On 1/5/20 9:46 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine via gimp-user-list wrote: > On Sun, Jan 5, 2020 at 7:22 PM Christopher Curtis wrote: > >> In that thread from 2012 I proposed a 3-month release cycle. This is, and >> was, >> a slightly slower pace than that used by the Linux kernel. The number is >> arbitrary >> but I still think the results will be worthwhile. With 3 releases in 2019, a >> 4-month >> process may be a good place to start. > (snip) > > That said, I don't think it's entirely possible for the unstable > branch. Mitch keeps uncovering bad code all the time, and once you > start pulling a funny-smelling rope, there's always a chance there's a > rotting corpse on the other end of it, if you pardon my analogy :) > > Alex Love the analogy. I'll have to borrow that from you, if you don't mind. :) Peace... Tom -- /When I leave, I don't know what I'm hoping to find, And when I leave, I don't know what I'm leaving behind.../ ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] ANNOUNCE: GIMP 2.10.12 released
On 6/16/19 7:09 AM, Michael Natterer wrote: > Hi, > > A few days late, but... > > We just released GIMP 2.10.12, the sixth bugfix release in > the stable 2.10 series. > > As announced before, stable GIMP 2.10.x is open for new > features that are not too invasive or change the API, > and we got some good new stuff for you this time, too. > > For a complete list of changes since 2.10.10 please see the > "Changes" section below. > > There is also a release announcement on www.gimp.org: > > https://www.gimp.org/news/2019/06/12/gimp-2-10-12-released/ > > Happy GIMPing, > --Mitch > Congratulations on the release! I look forward to trying the latest version! Peace... Tom -- /When I leave, I don't know what I'm hoping to find, And when I leave, I don't know what I'm leaving behind.../ ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] [Gimp-developer] Curious about GIMP-2.10 bugs on Windows
On 05/11/2018 07:24 AM, Elle Stone wrote: > On 05/11/2018 09:06 AM, Elle Stone wrote: > >> Are some/many/most of the problems being reported for GIMP-2.10 on >> Windows, only specific to Windows? >> >> Or are these bug reports by Windows users simply bugs that weren't >> detected by various people running GIMP-2.9/GIMP-2.10-rc/GIMP-2.10 on >> Linux? > > Someone sent me a private email in response to my list post, > suggesting that more people use Windows, than use GIMP (I don't know > if that person actually intended to send a private email or not, so > I'm not quoting). > > I have no clue whether more people use GIMP on Windows than on Linux. > But either way my questions remain: > > Are most of these "post release of 2.10" bug reports specific to GIMP > on Windows? or do they also affect GIMP on Linux? > > Was there such an influx of Windows(-only?) bug reports for 2.8, > compared to 2.10? > > Best regards, > My initial reaction to the GIMP 2.10 bugs on Windows vs Linux is: have many Linux distros started offering GIMP 2.10 as an upgrade/update? I run Mint 18.3, on my laptop, and GIMP 2.10 isn't available as an update, yet. I don't have the time to try updating GIMP manually, so I wait for the distribution to update the software for me. Now that I think about it, my mom's Ubuntu 16.04 system hasn't received a GIMP 2.10 update either. Maybe as the distros start making GIMP 2.10 available, more Linux users will use it. I'm just thinking out loud. :) Peace... Tom -- /When I leave, I don't know what I'm hoping to find, And when I leave, I don't know what I'm leaving behind.../ ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] 32-bit version of 2.10?
On 04/30/2018 07:34 AM, Bill Kristy wrote: > I don't see a 32-bit version of 2.10 for Windows at > https://www.gimp.org/downloads/ > > Is GIMP only available for 64-bit OS' now? > ___ > gimp-user-list mailing list > List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org > List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list > List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-user-list > In the "mathmap" discussion, someone stated GIMP 2.10 is strictly 64-bit. I was interested in a 32-bit Windows version as well. Oh well, I'll just have to upgrade to a 64-bit version of Windows. :) Peace... Tom -- /When I leave, I don't know what I'm hoping to find, And when I leave, I don't know what I'm leaving behind.../ ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] ANNOUNCE: GIMP 2.10.0 released
On 04/27/2018 07:44 AM, Michael Natterer wrote: > Hi, > > After 6 years of development... > > We just released GIMP 2.10.0 \o/ Sweet! Congratulations! Can't wait to try it out :) Peace... Tom -- /When I leave, I don't know what I'm hoping to find, And when I leave, I don't know what I'm leaving behind.../ ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] ANNOUNCE: GIMP 2.10.0-RC2 released
On 04/17/2018 04:26 PM, Michael Natterer wrote: > Hi, > > We just released the second release candidate on the way > to the final GIMP 2.10.0 release. > > This is (still!) an unstable development release and might > crash or do whatever. If you try it for work, please save > your images more often. > > But please use it and report bugs, it's actually usable :) > > For a complete list of changes since 2.10.0-RC1 please see the > "Changes" section below. > > There is also a release announcement on www.gimp.org > with screenshots of new features: > > https://www.gimp.org/news/2018/04/17/gimp-2-10-0-rc2-released/ > > Happy GIMPing, > --Mitch > > > Download > > > GIMP 2.10.0-RC2 is available from: > > https://download.gimp.org/pub/gimp/v2.10/ > > and from the mirrors listed at: > > https://www.gimp.org/downloads/devel/#mirrors > > The checksum of the tarball is: > > 46aa8b38d8c00fcc912ebb389f653fec gimp-2.10.0-RC2.tar.bz2 > > > Overview of Changes from GIMP 2.10.0 RC1 to GIMP 2.10.0 RC2 > === > > Core: > > - Symmetries are now preserved in XCF files (saved as image > parasites). > - New runtime option --show-debug-menu in order to make the File > > Debug menu visible. > - Do not show invisible actions in search dialog. > - Do not dither image mask and channels for imported images. > - Various optimizations for painting and display (WIP), including > parallelized painting code. > - New "Misc" group to the Dashboard dock, with currently only a > "Mipmapped" field showing the total size of processed mipmapped > data. > - Plug-ins debugging on crashes through --stack-trace-mode CLI option > improved to handle more case. > - Fix selection -> channel -> selection roundtrips by never doing > any gamma conversion when converting between an image's selection, > channels, masks. Also, make all channels linear in all images with > >8bit. > > Libgimp: > > - New group "drawable_edit" which contains all functions from "edit" > that are not cut/copy/paste. The new functions have much less > arguments and take them from the context instead. The respective > functions in "edit" have been deprecated. > - New functions in "context" to configure aspects of gradient > drawing, and to set the built-in gradients (the new gradient > function in "drawable_edit" doesn't have a parameter for the > gradient type any longer). > > User interface: > > - Lighter and Darker themes removed for now, Light and Dark themes > rewritten from scratch to get rid of various usability issues and > glitches. Only Gray theme from previous set kept as-is. > - New GimpToolGyroscope on-canvas control, currently used for > the Panorama Projection filter. The widget provides on-canvas > interaction for 3D rotation (yaw, pitch, roll). > > Configurability: > > - In Preferences > Dialog Defaults, new section "Filter Dialogs" > created to customize various common features of filters, such as > recent settings and advanced color options. > - Do not default to last used filter settings, but allow this > behavior in Preferences > Dialog Defaults, with checkbox "Default > to the last used settings". > > Tools: > > - Color used in the Smudge tool is now added to the color history. > - "Blend" tool renamed to much more consistent "Gradient" tool. > Also it can now work in linear RGB matching capabilities CSS/SVG > specification without gamma-errors in color blending and CIE Lab > which in addition keeps a perceptual graylevel. > > Assets / Resources: > > - Adding 4K UHD in document templates (and fixing 4K DCI). > > Building: > > - New --enable-bundled-mypaint-brushes option in configure to decide > whether to use the configure-time installation path of MyPaint > brushes, or use a path relative to GIMP installation prefix > (typically for bundled binaries, such as on Windows or macOS). > - Detect freetype2 using pkg-config (`freetype-config` is on its way > out in various distributions apparently). > - Appdata now installed to $PREFIX/share/metainfo/ > > Translations: > > - 8 translations were updated: Arabic, Catalan, Chinese, French, > Italian, Polish, Russian, Swedish. > > > Contributors > > > Alexandre Prokoudine, Edward E, Ell, Elle Stone, Jehan, Jeremy > Bicha, Massimo Valentini, Michael Natterer, Thomas Manni, Tobias > Ellinghaus, Ville Pätsi, luz.paz, shark0r, Øyvind Kolås. > > > Translators > === > > Alexandre Prokoudine, Anders Jonsson, Aron Xu, Ell, Jehan, Jordi > Mas, Julien Hardelin, Khaled Hosny, Marco Ciampa, Michael Natterer, > Piotr Drąg, Sebastian Rasmussen. > Awesome news!!! I'm totally looking forward to GIMP 2.10! :) By the way, I watched the "Why the GIMP Team Obviously Hates You" video by Pat David: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AemoQzCFHpc and I now have a new
Re: [Gimp-user] ANNOUNCE: GIMP 2.10.0-RC1 released
On 03/26/2018 05:02 PM, Michael Natterer wrote: > Hi, > > we're getting closer to releasing 2.10! > > We just released the first release candidate on the way > to the final GIMP 2.10.0 release. > > This is (still!) an unstable development release and might > crash or do whatever. If you try it for work, please save > your images more often. > > But please use it and report bugs, it's actually usable :) > > For a complete list of changes since 2.9.8 please see the > "Changes" section below. > > There is also a release announcement on www.gimp.org > with screenshots of new features: > > https://gimp.org/news/2018/03/26/gimp-2-10-rc1-released/ > > Happy GIMPing, > --Mitch Congratulations Man, the team has been quite busy, to say the least!!! I'm very much looking forward to GIMP 2.10! :) Peace... Tom -- /When I leave, I don't know what I'm hoping to find, And when I leave, I don't know what I'm leaving behind.../ ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Question about fonts and XCF files
On 02/24/2018 01:34 PM, Ofnuts wrote: > On 02/24/18 17:20, Tom Williams wrote: >>> The fonts aren't embedded in the XCF. That won't prevent your friend >>> to see your text as you designed it, but if she wants to change the >>> text she will ned to install the fonts on her system. >> Really? Even though the fonts aren't installed, the font face will >> still appear in the file when opened? >> > > Yes, because the text is rendered to a bitmap. In the XCF linked > below, the text is in "Humor Sans". > Check that this font isn't installed on your system, and open the XCF. > Do you see the text? > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/gasfrn9qh91in4u/SampleText.xcf?dl=0 Thanks for the sample. The 'Humor Sans' text appeared, just as you described. Thanks to everyone for the responses! What I'll do is send her the XCF file I have now, so she can experiment with moving some parts of the image around AND I'll help her get the fonts used installed so she can make actual text changes. Peace... Tom -- /When I leave, I don't know what I'm hoping to find, And when I leave, I don't know what I'm leaving behind.../ ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Question about fonts and XCF files
On 02/23/2018 05:36 PM, Ofnuts wrote: > On 02/23/18 03:55, Tom Williams wrote: >> Hi! I created some logo samples for a friend using various Google and >> other free fonts. I saved all of the samples in an XCF file. If I send >> her the XCF file, will the fonts be embedded in it, such that she won't >> have to have the fonts actually installed on her system or will the XCF >> contain references to the font, requiring her to have them installed on >> her system? >> >> Thanks in advance! >> >> Peace... >> >> Tom >> > The fonts aren't embedded in the XCF. That won't prevent your friend > to see your text as you designed it, but if she wants to change the > text she will ned to install the fonts on her system. Really? Even though the fonts aren't installed, the font face will still appear in the file when opened? Thanks! Peace... Tom -- /When I leave, I don't know what I'm hoping to find, And when I leave, I don't know what I'm leaving behind.../ ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-user-list
[Gimp-user] Question about fonts and XCF files
Hi! I created some logo samples for a friend using various Google and other free fonts. I saved all of the samples in an XCF file. If I send her the XCF file, will the fonts be embedded in it, such that she won't have to have the fonts actually installed on her system or will the XCF contain references to the font, requiring her to have them installed on her system? Thanks in advance! Peace... Tom -- /When I leave, I don't know what I'm hoping to find, And when I leave, I don't know what I'm leaving behind.../ ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] 2017 report
On 01/02/2018 02:54 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: > Hi, > > Dec 31 was a bit of a busy day, so mentioning the 2017 report here on > the lists was completely forgotten. And yet, here it is: > > https://www.gimp.org/news/2017/12/31/gimp-and-gegl-in-2017/ > > Happy 2018 :) > > Alex Awesome report Hats off to everyone who works so hard to make GIMP the masterpiece it truly is!!! Happy 2018! Peace... Tom -- /When we dance, you have a way with me, Stay with me... Sway with me.../ ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] ANNOUNCE: GIMP 2.9.8 released
On 12/15/2017 06:09 PM, Øyvind Kolås wrote: > On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 7:18 AM, Tom Williams <tomd...@comcast.net> wrote: >>> - OpenCL is now disabled by default. Depending on graphics cards and >>> drivers, OpenCL acceleration is often slower than multi-threaded >>> implementation, and can also sometimes be "glitchy". >> I do have a question about OpenCL support. If it's disabled by default, >> how does one enable it? > There is a check-box in preferences under the 'System Resources' > category, where the number of threads used can also be overriden. > > /pippin - https://pippin.gimp.org/ > Great! Thanks! Peace... Tom -- /When we dance, you have a way with me, Stay with me... Sway with me.../ ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] ANNOUNCE: GIMP 2.9.8 released
On 12/12/2017 02:41 PM, Michael Natterer wrote: > Hi, > > finally, a new development snapshot! > > We just released the fourth development snapshot in the > GIMP 2.9.x series leading to GIMP 2.10. > > This is an unstable development preview and might crash > or do whatever. If you try it for work, please save your > images more often. > > For a complete list of changes since 2.9.6 please see the > "Changes" section below. > > There is also a release announcement on www.gimp.org > with screenshots and some videos: > > https://www.gimp.org/news/2017/12/12/gimp-2-9-8-released/ > > Happy GIMPing, > --Mitch Wow!!! I'm impressed with all the work that's been going on! I'm totally looking forward to GIMP 2.10! :) > > > Download > > > GIMP 2.9.8 is available from: > > https://download.gimp.org/pub/gimp/v2.9/ > > and from the mirrors listed at: > > https://www.gimp.org/downloads/devel/#mirrors > > The checksum of the tarball is: > > bade4163fb5b7a2063e1db570f27242f gimp-2.9.8.tar.bz2 > > > Overview of Changes from GIMP 2.9.6 to GIMP 2.9.8 > = > > Core: > > - The default brush is now "Hardness 050". > - Verbose version (command line: gimp -v) now displays C compiler > information. > - Transform tools don't commit identity transformation anymore. > - Manual language can now be selected amongst all installed manuals, > which is particularly interesting when no GIMP manuals are > available in your GUI language. This will be proposed by default > when a manual is not installed for the GUI language (alongside the > possibility to read online) and the choice can be edited in > preferences. > - The statusbar now blinks on warnings and errors. > - Paste in Place, available for regular clipboard and named buffers, > allows pasting contents of either the clipboard a named buffer at > the exact coordinates it was copied from. > - Color Picker should now work on KDE/Wayland. > - Color Picker now reads values under cursor in local windows making > it work at least inside GIMP Windows on Wayland platforms with no > color-picking capabilities (for instance GNOME/Wayland) yet. > - OpenCL is now disabled by default. Depending on graphics cards and > drivers, OpenCL acceleration is often slower than multi-threaded > implementation, and can also sometimes be "glitchy". > - Now possible to open a locally-installed manual different from the > GUI localization. The manual language choice can be customized > through preferences when several manuals are installed. If no > manual language has been selected already and no manual for > current GUI localization is available, choice of help language > will be proposed at first call to the manual. I do have a question about OpenCL support. If it's disabled by default, how does one enable it? Peace... Tom -- /When we dance, you have a way with me, Stay with me... Sway with me.../ ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] ANNOUNCE: GIMP 2.8.22 released
On 05/12/2017 08:02 AM, Thorsten Stettin wrote: > Am 12.05.17 um 16:50 schrieb Tom Williams: >> On 05/12/2017 07:45 AM, Thorsten Stettin wrote: >>> Am 12.05.17 um 02:29 schrieb Tom Williams: >>>> On 05/11/2017 02:58 PM, Michael Schumacher wrote: >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> we are releasing GIMP 2.8.22 with various bug fixes. >>>> Congratulations! I look forward to using this, whenever it's >>>> available >>>> on Linux Mint! :) >>>> >>>> Peace... >>>> >>>> Tom >>>> >>> https://launchpad.net/~otto-kesselgulasch/+archive/ubuntu/gimp/ >>> >>> Hope this helps >>> >>> Cheers >>> >> Thanks! I'm running an outdated version of Ubuntu (need a new PC) >> and Linux Mint is slow to update newer versions of software, like this. >> >> I'll check out this PPA. >> >> Tom > Hi, Tom, > > if there are some issues let me know. > > Cheers > > PS: Please give me some information about your system, e.g, the > specific Mint version. It helps me because I'm not able to test every > environment. Hi! I wanted to let you know I've been running GIMP 2.8.22 on my Linux Mint 18.2 system for a while now and it's been working well! The only issue I have is I can't get the "Bevel and Emboss" plugin (part of the FX Foundry) to run. Each time I run it, it crashes. Not a huge problem as I can use another plugin for that. On the positive side, I was able to design a business card and an envelope return label without any issues at all. :) Sorry for the delayed feedback. Thanks! Peace... Tom -- /When we dance, you have a way with me, Stay with me... Sway with me.../ ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] ANNOUNCE: GIMP 2.9.6 released
On 08/24/2017 01:32 PM, Michael Natterer wrote: > Hi, > > It took a while, but... > > We just released the third development snapshot in the > GIMP 2.9.x series leading to GIMP 2.10. > > This is an unstable development preview and might crash > or do whatever. If you try it for work, please save your > images more often. > > For a complete list of changes since 2.9.4 please see the > "Changes" section below. > > There is also a release announcement on www.gimp.org > with screenshots and some videos: > > https://www.gimp.org/news/2017/08/24/gimp-2-9-6-released/ > > Happy GIMPing, > --Mitch Wow, y'all have been quite busy!!! I'm totally looking forward to GIMP 2.10! Peace... Tom -- /When we dance, you have a way with me, Stay with me... Sway with me.../ ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] ANNOUNCE: GIMP 2.8.22 released
On 05/11/2017 02:58 PM, Michael Schumacher wrote: > Hi, > > we are releasing GIMP 2.8.22 with various bug fixes. Congratulations! I look forward to using this, whenever it's available on Linux Mint! :) Peace... Tom -- /When we dance, you have a way with me, Stay with me... Sway with me.../ ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Feature oriented vs. User Oriented development
On 02/05/2017 10:56 AM, Michal Vašut wrote: > I've got an impression, that devs (or Gimp core devs / management - but not > only Gimp ones) has priorities to introduce cool new features, which is not > wrong, but they forget the basics - improve user working quality / make it > easier for user. > > I've seen these topics appear every now and then I usually don't participate, because I don't have the time. However, I wanted to chime in and write I think GIMP is great software, right now. In fact, I think it's awesome software. It's not perfect and has its bugs/issues but I think the things it _can_ do really overshadow its deficiencies. Here's the thing: from what I've read, over the years, the GIMP developers aren't trying to create a PhotoShop clone or replacement. Yes, there are similarities to PhotoShop in its feature set and in the functions it performs, but GIMP is an image manipulation tool, in its own right. Clearly, people want it to be a "PhotoShop clone" so they won't have to pay for PhotoShop (regardless of it not being affordable or lack of interest in spending the money). I've used GIMP for years now and haven't tapped into the majority of its functionality. The functions I have used and tend to use most often work well, or at least well enough for me. I think if people took the time to learn how to use GIMP, the experience wouldn't be as bad or troublesome as many complain about. I haven't used PhotoShop very often and the few times I have used it, I felt as completely lost and confused as the first time I tried GIMP. Peace... Tom -- /When we dance, you have a way with me, Stay with me... Sway with me.../ ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Question about RGB to CMYK conversion and print work
On 11/18/2016 08:27 PM, Tom Williams wrote: > On 11/16/2016 12:44 AM, Simon Budig wrote: >> Tom Williams (tomd...@comcast.net) wrote: >>> I'm helping a friend of mine create a business card for a new business. >>> I created the card in GIMP and it looks great! The plan is to order >>> cards through VistaPrint. Anyway, according to the VistaPrint website, >>> they recommend uploading designs in a CMYK mode. Since I created my >>> card in GIMP, it's in RGB mode. >> I'd recommend to not fiddle with it now. Vistaprint will do their own >> conversion, which is likely to be better than your conversion, since >> they do know their own processes. >> >> In fact I had lots of "fun" some time ago, where I absolutely sent them >> a CMYK PDF file and they still fiddled with it, adding a little bit of >> black to my vibrant yellow, resulting in quite dull colors... >> >> Bye, >> Simon > Thanks to both you, Simon, and Rick Strong for your comments. I opted > to "roll the bones" with the RGB PNG I created, using the VistaPrint > template, and the site seemed happy with the resolution of the image. > The previews on the site looked good so I'm keeping my fingers crossed > that the image prints well. > > Thanks again! > > Tom > Well, the business cards have been printed and they look fan-flippin-tastic They actually came out much, much better than I expected and my friend *loves* them! Thanks again for the help and Thanks to the GIMP developers for producing such awesome software! :) Peace... Tom -- /When we dance, you have a way with me, Stay with me... Sway with me.../ ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Question about RGB to CMYK conversion and print work
On 11/16/2016 12:44 AM, Simon Budig wrote: > Tom Williams (tomd...@comcast.net) wrote: >> I'm helping a friend of mine create a business card for a new business. >> I created the card in GIMP and it looks great! The plan is to order >> cards through VistaPrint. Anyway, according to the VistaPrint website, >> they recommend uploading designs in a CMYK mode. Since I created my >> card in GIMP, it's in RGB mode. > I'd recommend to not fiddle with it now. Vistaprint will do their own > conversion, which is likely to be better than your conversion, since > they do know their own processes. > > In fact I had lots of "fun" some time ago, where I absolutely sent them > a CMYK PDF file and they still fiddled with it, adding a little bit of > black to my vibrant yellow, resulting in quite dull colors... > > Bye, > Simon Thanks to both you, Simon, and Rick Strong for your comments. I opted to "roll the bones" with the RGB PNG I created, using the VistaPrint template, and the site seemed happy with the resolution of the image. The previews on the site looked good so I'm keeping my fingers crossed that the image prints well. Thanks again! Tom -- /When we dance, you have a way with me, Stay with me... Sway with me.../ ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Question about RGB to CMYK conversion and print work
On 11/15/2016 03:19 PM, Rick Strong wrote: > Try the free online converter: > RGB2CMYK.org > > http://www.rgb2cmyk.org/ > > Rick S. Thanks for the link. Would this service do a better conversion than ImageMagick? Thanks! Peace... Tom > > -Original Message- From: Tom Williams > Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 5:43 PM > To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org > Subject: [Gimp-user] Question about RGB to CMYK conversion and print work > > I'm helping a friend of mine create a business card for a new business. > I created the card in GIMP and it looks great! The plan is to order > cards through VistaPrint. Anyway, according to the VistaPrint website, > they recommend uploading designs in a CMYK mode. Since I created my > card in GIMP, it's in RGB mode. > > Would it be safe to convert my image from RGB to CMYK, using ImageMagick > for example, or should I recreate it using a different tool, like > Scribus? I'm a Linux user. Alternatively, I could send the image to a > friend who has PhotoShop and have her convert the image to CYMK mode > for me. > > Any thoughts or suggestions? > > Thanks! > > Peace... > > Tom > -- /When we dance, you have a way with me, Stay with me... Sway with me.../ ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-user-list
[Gimp-user] Question about RGB to CMYK conversion and print work
I'm helping a friend of mine create a business card for a new business. I created the card in GIMP and it looks great! The plan is to order cards through VistaPrint. Anyway, according to the VistaPrint website, they recommend uploading designs in a CMYK mode. Since I created my card in GIMP, it's in RGB mode. Would it be safe to convert my image from RGB to CMYK, using ImageMagick for example, or should I recreate it using a different tool, like Scribus? I'm a Linux user. Alternatively, I could send the image to a friend who has PhotoShop and have her convert the image to CYMK mode for me. Any thoughts or suggestions? Thanks! Peace... Tom -- /When we dance, you have a way with me, Stay with me... Sway with me.../ ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Cannot open PSD -CMYK setting
On 11/12/2016 09:16 AM, rich2005 wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I am trying to open a PSD in GIMP. Although I am aware that not all >> layers of a PSD might open in this case the whole psd is not opening >> due to some CMYK setting error. >> >> Check attachement for the same. >> >> Is there any workaround to open these kinds of PSDs? >> >> Thanks > Gimp is a RGB raster editor and is not the best tool for creating a suitable > file from a PS CMYK template. > > The CMYK file needs to be converted to RGB first. > > The freeware Imagemagick will this. However it is **command line** so be > prepared to use a terminal. > > http://www.imagemagick.org/script/binary-releases.php > > Using Windows the command will be > > magick "file name with spaces.psd" card.png > > That might give several files which can be opened in Gimp using File -> Open > As > Layers > > I had this issue yesterday and found by converting the PSD file to a TIFF file, the layers were preserved in a single file. Here is the command line I used on Linux: $ convert Business_Card.psd -colorspace rgb Business_Card.tiff I'm helping a friend create a business card and downloaded a PhotoShop template from VistaPrint.com. I couldn't open the PSD file, due to it having a CMYK colormode, but after running the above command, I was able to open the TIFF file and three layers were preserved. Peace... Tom -- /When we dance, you have a way with me, Stay with me... Sway with me.../ ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] ANNOUNCE: GIMP 2.9.2 released
On 11/26/2015 11:38 AM, Michael Natterer wrote: > Hi, > > We originally wanted to get this done on GIMP's 20th > birthday last week, but... > > Anyway, here is the first development release in the > GIMP 2.9.x series leading to GIMP 2.10. Thanks for the update and _many_ thanks to those working to make Gimp 2.10 an awesome release! I'm really looking forward to Gimp 2.10. I don't do anything really sophisticated with Gimp, but I'm simply amazed at its power, functionality, and capability! :) Peace... Tom -- /When we dance, you have a way with me, Stay with me... Sway with me.../ ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] ANNOUNCE: GIMP 2.8.16 released
On 11/21/2015 02:47 PM, Michael Natterer wrote: > Hi, > > On GIMP's 20th birthday, we are happy to announce that > GIMP 2.8.16 has been released. Congratulations on turning 20! :) Peace... Tom -- /When we dance, you have a way with me, Stay with me... Sway with me.../ ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior
On 08/10/2013 01:07 AM, Cristian Secară wrote: În data de Fri, 09 Aug 2013 14:41:01 -0700, Tom Williams a scris: A couple of weeks ago, I stumbled upon a similar behavior in MS Word 2010. I had created a document that I wanted to save as a PDF file. I used the Save As function to do so. The PDF file got saved and Adobe Reader was opened to show me the PDF file was properly created. Cool. So, being happy with my new PDF file, I closed the Word window because I was done with my task (mission accomplished!). Low and behold, Word informed me I had unsaved changes and offered me the chance to save them. At first, I was surprised since I had _just_ saved the document to PDF format. Then, the light bulb went off. What I learned was this: Word was prompting me to save the unsaved changes because I had not, yet, saved my document in a file which Word could readily open for edit such that I could resume my editing. When I saved another test document in OpenDocument format and closed the Word window, Word did _not_ prompt me to save the unsaved changes because Word considers OpenDocument files to be editable where the PDF file isn't. This example is not always similar to all situations in GIMP. One of current scenario in GIMP is this: I take an existing .png or .jpg picture with a company logo or a happy/interesting face of one of my friends, crop the part of interest in square aspect ratio, scale down to 106x106 pixels as this is the native resolution I need for Contacts, maybe sharpen a bit, export as .png. Fine. At closing GIMP asks me save the canges to image ?. Hmm. Save what ? The original picture is already ruined from its perspective, so what would be the benefit in save it as .xcf ? The exported .png is more or less lossless and further lossless editable, assuming the original was flat anyway and especially if the orignal was still .png. What realy misses here is some intelligent way in determining the oportunity of the save the changes to image ? dialog. This dialog (or the lack of an option to getting rid of it) that pops up in obvious useless situations is the annoying one, *not* the export thing. Cristi I understand but that's not the point. Your example isn't always similar to all situations of Gimp usage either. In your example, you don't need to save any changes that you would want to resume editing later since you've already exported the PNG file you want. Gimp *can not know that* since it can't read your mind. :) You could have opened a JPEG image, performed the same crop, and exported to PNG or vice-versa or even exported to both formats. Maybe then change the mode from RGB to indexed and exported to GIF as well. That doesn't change the fact you haven't saved your work in such a way that it can be easily resumed later on. Having Gimp or any other software effectively guess what you want will only lead to disaster later on. Believe me, I fully understand the old save behavior and when I encountered the new behavior, I was confused by it at first. In fact, I used to do this: 1. Identify an image to edit 2. Make a copy of it, so I would preserve the original (just in case) 3. Open the image in Gimp and make my edits 4. Either save the XCF file, if I wasn't finished with my edits or save as JPEG or PNG 5. Close Gimp. If later on I realized I screwed up the edit and needed to re-edit, I had to start over again unless I saved in XCF format. Even then, if I didn't save to XCF format frequently, I would lose changes. Once I understood the new behavior more and realized it actually helps me preserve my work, I actually considered it a good change and one that will help me almost completely eliminate the man, I wish I would have saved that XCF file feelings a year after editing an image I need to edit again. People use Gimp in many different ways. Clearly a lot of people don't save their work in XCF format and clearly a number of professionals always save their work in the proprietary image format (XCF, PSD, etc). I used to be in the camp that never or rarely saved images in XCF format. With this new behavior, I'm now someone who almost always saves in XCF format and I consider this a good thing. Of course, none of this is about *my* specific use of Gimp but it's not about anyone else's specific use of Gimp either. Fortunately, there are options available to those who don't like the current behavior. Use a different tool. In fact, I've read great things about Paint.net for Windows, for the Windows users out there. Install a Gimp plug-in that restores (or close to it) the old desired behavior. Use an older version of Gimp. soapbox I've read most of the posts in this undying beast of a thread and have chosen to remain fairly silent throughout its existence. I think it's unfair and wrong to slam the Gimp developers as many have chosen to. The software isn't perfect and you might not like the decisions they make but expressing
Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior
On 08/09/2013 01:30 PM, pbft wrote: This thread is like a wound that won't heal - I keep picking the scab even though I know I should just let it be. For me, it seems that there are well-established precedents for this type of situation, and in general it would be better to follow precedent where reasonable. It's generally better when tools behave the way you expect. In the spreadsheet example above, it's absolutely true that if you open a csv, add some fomulas, and save as a csv you will lose the formulas. Pretty good analogy to the topic at hand. The spreadsheets that I'm familiar with all do the same basic thing in this situation: 1: They default to saving the file in the same format to the same file name as you opened in the first place 2: They warn you that if you accept this default behavior, you may lose some data OO also gives you the option to have it remind you every time or not. From my outsider perspective, that seems like a clean, simple, and logical approach that would avoid unwanted data loss and conform more closely with the de facto standard for this situation. Seems obvious to me, and it's baffling that this has become such a shouting match. Didn't have to be that way. I know what you mean as I'm picking at that same scab. :) lol A couple of weeks ago, I stumbled upon a similar behavior in MS Word 2010. I had created a document that I wanted to save as a PDF file. I used the Save As function to do so. The PDF file got saved and Adobe Reader was opened to show me the PDF file was properly created. Cool. So, being happy with my new PDF file, I closed the Word window because I was done with my task (mission accomplished!). Low and behold, Word informed me I had unsaved changes and offered me the chance to save them. At first, I was surprised since I had _just_ saved the document to PDF format. Then, the light bulb went off. What I learned was this: Word was prompting me to save the unsaved changes because I had not, yet, saved my document in a file which Word could readily open for edit such that I could resume my editing. When I saved another test document in OpenDocument format and closed the Word window, Word did _not_ prompt me to save the unsaved changes because Word considers OpenDocument files to be editable where the PDF file isn't. I liken the PDF file to a JPEG or PNG image. Gimp will export the current image to JPEG or PNG formats but once I do so, I will save the image in a format that Gimp doesn't consider editable. If I open a JPEG image in Gimp, at some text to it, and export it as a JPEG, I can't change the text I added to _that_ image. I either have to start over, if I can, or find creative ways to edit that text. Once I went through the above experience with MS Word, I got a better understanding of the new export behavior and I actually like it better now. Now, my habit will be to simply save the file each time I edit it and when I need a JPEG or PNG file, I'll export one at that time and for that specific intended use. If I can train myself in this way, there won't be any more times when I've saved an image file I can no longer update or edit in the future, provided the XCF file doesn't get corrupt. :) lol On a side note, I conducted another experiment, before my MS Word experience, in MS Works. I created a document, used Save As to save it as a Rich Text file and when I closed Works, it prompted me to save my unsaved changes. Peace... Tom -- /When we dance, you have a way with me, Stay with me... Sway with me.../ ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Help needed with Bevel and Emboss layer effect
On 07/19/2013 11:06 AM, Tom Williams wrote: On 07/19/2013 10:50 AM, Partha Bagchi wrote: Without actually looking at this plugins, I can say that it expects to work on a layer and you have no layer since you paste your selection not as a layer but a new image. Well, I did some experiments with adding layers but it doesn't seem to work. I'll try saving the selection as a file first, then opening it, and then see if I can get the filter to work. Thanks again! Peace... Tom Ok, so I tried saving the selection as a file and opening it and the filter still crashes with the same error. Peace... Tom -- /When we dance, you have a way with me, Stay with me... Sway with me.../ ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] GImp 2.8.4 and PhotoShop CS5 PSD files
On 07/26/2013 09:16 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 8:12 PM, Tom Williams wrote: Hi! Has anyone had any issues opening PhotoShop CS5 PSD files in Gimp 2.8.4? A friend is looking at buying a WordPress theme that comes with PhotoShop CS5 PSD files, so I was wondering if anyone had experienced any issues with opening CS5 PSD files in Gimp 2.8.4. Everyone who tried opening designs that rely on text layers and layer effects. Some also run into the incorrect reading of layer groups. GIMP also doesn't have a number of layer modes. Ok, thanks! Peace... Tom -- /When we dance, you have a way with me, Stay with me... Sway with me.../ ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior
On 07/19/2013 03:12 PM, Joseph A. Nagy, Jr wrote:
On 07/19/13 17:10, Kasim Ahmic wrote:
I could ask you the same thing. Yes, if you SAVE the image, you'll
have all the layers intact. However, if you EXPORT the image, all the
layers are merged.
snip
That is a new and unexpected behavior. I used to save png with layers
intact. Now the merge isn't even mentioned.
I don't think this is new. From what I remember, if I had an image
open with multiple layers and I saved it as a PNG file, the *saved* PNG
file wouldn't retain the layer information even though the window title
of the image window would change to the name of the PNG file.
So, if I created a new image with a blue bottom layer and I added a text
layer on top of it, when I saved that image as a PNG file, the image
window would be name {filename}.png and the text layer would still be
shown in the layers dialog window. However, if I closed that image and
opened the *saved* PNG file, the text layer wouldn't be preserved as a
separate layer.
Kasim Ahmic's statement above makes perfect sense. If you save the
image, the layers remain intact because you save in XCF. If you export
the image, the layers are merged and saved in the composite image format.
This change in Gimp behavior took a short time to adjust to but now that
I have, it makes perfect sense to me and as a result, I'm far more
conscious about whether I'm saving a file or exporting to the image file
format of choice.
Peace...
Tom
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Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression
On 06/15/2013 01:19 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 12:14 AM, Helen wrote: Exactly! We should not have to keep opening these files! They should stay on my screen until I finish with them. But noone's forcing you to close them. Are you kidding? Nope. When I export, it closes! It shouldn't and it never did so for me. In fact, I don't think it ever did that for anybody. I don't see a single report like yours. There's something crazy going on with your computer and your copy of GIMP. What happens for just about everybody else is: 1. File Export 2. Specify file name 3. Click 'Export' 4. Contonue working on the picture. Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org ___ I'm thinking Helen is referring to the JPEG preview window that opens, during the JPEG export process.After the JPEG export is done, the preview window closes since the file's been saved. Peace... Tom -- /When we dance, you have a way with me, Stay with me... Sway with me.../ ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression.
On 06/14/2013 02:47 PM, Eduard Braun wrote: Actually I know nobody who likes the new distinction between save and export. But the whole discussion seems to be at a point of no return anyway and developers seem to defend the change as a matter of principle rather than aiming for maximum usability, so it seems quite improbable anything will change. Hey Eduard, I'm Tom and it's a pleasure to meet you! :) I've been a long time GIMP user and the new save/export behavior was a surprise to me as well, but I actually like the new behavior since I tend to save in XCF format more frequently, which prevents me from making accidental mistakes. In the past, I would open an image file, forget to save it as a XCF file first, make some changes to it, save the file (either clobbering the original or saving it as a new file), and then later regret NOT saving to XCF format because I would want to make further modifications later or to find out which font I had used, if I added text, etc. The new behavior forces me to be more conscious about my saving action, which I think is a good thing. I also agree with adding a setting to control the save behavior, so users can choose which method suits them best. With regard to all the discussion about Linux in all this, we can't forget the numbers of people who use GIMP on Windows and the Freedom of Linux doesn't relate to that platform. As for Audacity, I'm running Audacity 2.0.3 on Ubuntu 13.04 Linux (64-bit) right now. I have a MP3 audio file loaded and when I click the File menu, the save options are Save Project, Save Project As, and Save Compressed Copy of Project. Then, I have two Export options, Export and Export Multiple. I made a change to the audio track and tried to close Audacity and it prompted me to save the project (.AUP) file and stated if I wanted to save in another audio format, I must use the File Export function. Maybe Audacity on Windows behaves differently. Peace... Tom -- /When we dance, you have a way with me, Stay with me... Sway with me.../ ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] PDF
On 05/12/2013 07:48 AM, Janet Little wrote: Recently installed Gimp. Could someone step me through how to change the settings so Gimp no longer opens my pdf files? I see the issue mentioned on the web but the solutions are for a person more computer literate than me. They also seemed to mostly relate to Ubuntu and wanting Evince to open pdf. I have Windows 7 with Chrome Firefox browsers, and adobe reader. Tried looking here - sorry if I missed it. Could you right-click on a PDF file and use the Open With menu to choose Adobe Reader (or some other PDF reader) as the application to use? When doing that, make sure the use as default application (or similarly phrased) check box is checked. Peace... Tom -- /When we dance, you have a way with me, Stay with me... Sway with me.../ ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] How to make transparency gradiate?
On 05/04/2013 01:04 PM, Ofnuts wrote: On 05/04/2013 03:54 PM, Richard Gitschlag wrote: You can also achieve the same result using paint tools. 1 - Eyedrop the background color. 2 - Switch to the Paintbrush and the color erase blending mode. Color erase is also a color-to-alpha transition. 3 - Start painting the background. Hmm... this begs the question: what is the difference between Colors/Color-to-alpha and the bucket-fill tool in color-erase mode? I believe Colors/Color-to-alpha will remove the color from the entire image, not just from a selection. Peace... Tom -- /When we dance, you have a way with me, Stay with me... Sway with me.../ ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] How to make transparency gradiate?
On 05/04/2013 01:06 PM, Tom Williams wrote: On 05/04/2013 01:04 PM, Ofnuts wrote: On 05/04/2013 03:54 PM, Richard Gitschlag wrote: You can also achieve the same result using paint tools. 1 - Eyedrop the background color. 2 - Switch to the Paintbrush and the color erase blending mode. Color erase is also a color-to-alpha transition. 3 - Start painting the background. Hmm... this begs the question: what is the difference between Colors/Color-to-alpha and the bucket-fill tool in color-erase mode? I believe Colors/Color-to-alpha will remove the color from the entire image, not just from a selection. Peace... Tom Here's a link to the documentation on Color to Alpha: http://docs.gimp.org/2.8/en/plug-in-colortoalpha.html Peace... Tom -- /When we dance, you have a way with me, Stay with me... Sway with me.../ ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Question about XCF files
On 04/28/2013 06:03 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 1:00 AM, Tom Williams wrote: Anyway, when I open this XCF file in Gimp 2.8.4, it opens fine and I can see the layers fine in the layers dialog window. However, when I use the text tool to try to edit one of the text layers, I'm unable to do so and the text tool doesn't seem to recognize the text layer as a text layer. It's a stupid question, but are you quite sure you didn't change text layers before saving? Some action like changing the layer size would do that. In that case in the Layers dialog you'd see the thumbnail of the text layer instead of the stock icon with a T character. Thanks for the reply. Well, you were right about the text layer change. When I look at my XCF file, the text layers have names like New Layer instead of the actual text in the layer. Plus, I see a thumbnail of the text layer instead of the stock icon you mention. I most likely made the text layer the same size as the image and then saved the file. Thanks! Peace... Tom -- /When we dance, you have a way with me, Stay with me... Sway with me.../ ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP Site Redesign
On 04/18/2013 04:31 PM, Kasim Ahmic wrote: Well here's what I managed to get done today: http://kasimahmic.koding.com/works/GIMPB/examples/carousel.html It's basically just a content swap. It still needs to be entirely restyled. Also, I found something out. If I change one of the classes, the body becomes fluid. The problem with that is the images (the browser icons on the page) and the text end up too far apart on the body. This is the exact reason why I chose to go for a static design. The mockup that Mike made doesn't exactly work with a fluid design unfortunately. Unless we come up with something different, I'm afraid we'll be stuck with a static design. This should actually be fairly easy to deal with. Either use the max-width property to keep the content from getting spread out too much and for browsers or user agents that display the page on a screen that's not very wide, the content can scale down to fit that size. The benefits of a fluid layout are worth the relatively little effort to make it work. You're making great progress! Peace... Tom -- /When we dance, you have a way with me, Stay with me... Sway with me.../ ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP Site Redesign
On 04/11/2013 03:33 AM, Kasim Ahmic wrote: Over at the Web List I've posted this redesign that I made from Mike Finch's mockup. http://kasimahmic.koding.com/works/GIMP/ I like it! Great job! Peace... Tom -- /When we dance, you have a way with me, Stay with me... Sway with me.../ ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Photo protection - transparent foreground
On 12/17/2012 12:48 PM, Chris Mohler wrote: On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 10:34 AM, d b dd_besgr...@hotmail.com wrote: I have heard you can protect your photographs on the web by applying a transparent overlay to them. When someone then right clicks and saves the image, all they get is the transparent foreground and not the photo underneath. FYI, anyone with the knowledge can defeat this protection quite easily. I'm not saying it won't help at all, but robots, browser extensions, and code monkeys will not be fooled by this approach ;) Yep, you write-eth the truth. :) Peace... Tom ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Photo protection - transparent foreground
On 12/17/2012 03:02 PM, Chris Mohler wrote: On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 4:53 PM, Steve Kinney ad...@pilobilus.net wrote: Probably the most effective approach to preventing e-z downloading of an image displayed on a web page, is to slice it into a grid of images Still defeated by the humble PrtScn key ;) You know, I'm VERY disappointed in those of you mentioning the print screen key and NOT mentioning a graphics tool we all like which has a great screen capture function built-in :) lol When I take these kinds of screen shots, I find GIMP's screen shot function great since I can grab a region instead of having to take a shot of the entire screen and crop it later. Ubuntu Linux has a screen shot utility, which also selection of a region so I alternate between using that and using GIMP for the screen shots. :) Peace... Tom ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
