Re: [GO] Noel Streatfeild
Sorry, yes - clearly expecting everyone to be pyschic! Natasha - Original Message - From: Susan Dunnachie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Tom Tash' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Girls Own' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 6:25 AM Subject: RE: [GO] Noel Streatfeild Which book are you talking about - Sirens wail? Susan D -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Tash Sent: Tuesday, 9 November 2004 7:37 AM To: Girls Own Subject: [GO] Noel Streatfeild I know I should be saving this for the Streatfeild BD but unless I post it now, I will forget my reaction, and it would be shame to deprive you all of my thoughts... Just finished it last night, and the reasons I didn't really like are twofold: 1. It reminded me too much of Saplings, possibly my least favourite book of all time. 2. Like Saplings, it was probably written primarily to show people how bad war is for children. It seems to formulaic. Evacuation? Check. Being caught in an air-raid? Check. Rationing? Check. Etc. Natasha -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
Re: [GO] No boats on Bannermere
Rosamond, degraded? Even Maidlin works as a waitress at one point. Tig wrote Their mother takes up a trade - and a very menial one (judging by the standards of the period when serving in a teashop can be seen as the ultimate degradation) and not only doesn't bat an eyelid but finds it fun. -- Barbara Dryden -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
Re: [GO] No boats on Bannermere
- Original Message - From: Barbara Dryden [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 8:26 AM Subject: Re: [GO] No boats on Bannermere Rosamond, degraded? Even Maidlin works as a waitress at one point. Tig wrote Their mother takes up a trade - and a very menial one (judging by the standards of the period when serving in a teashop can be seen as the ultimate degradation) and not only doesn't bat an eyelid but finds it fun. I'm not sure being a waitress was still in the 'common little shopgirl with painted nails' class in the 1950s. Mrs M runs her own business (always far more respectable than being an employee. Indeed I have a GOP annual for 1926 which recommends running a teashop as a genteel occupation) and working in canteens was exactly the sort of warwork middle class women often did. Plus it is stressed that the teashop is really for pin-money (given that Mr M doesn't send any maintenance, and she hasn't worked for several years prior to the book, I always wonder where her income does come from). I know Joey is so horrifed at the idea of Carla working as a waitress that she insists she come to work as a nanny but we never find out Carla's view on this (though since she never appears at Freudesheim, I think we can guess !). The Bannermere books are written around the same time as Mollie Chappell's Sugar and Spice in which running a teashop is perfectly respectable. Indeed my father would have been an exact contemporary of Bill at Oxford and came from an identical background (single parent scholarship boy) and it was there his met my mother, then working as a waitress and also from a fairly conventional middle class background (private school ). Both my grandmothers were terrific old-school snobs but I don't think wither of them objected to my mother's lowly occupation (both of them having had to do some odd things themselves as widows often do) Nicky -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
RE: [GO] Barrie film
I thoroughly agree! On 10 Nov 2004 at 10:07, Pat Hanby wrote: Me: Agree with every word! In spite of knowing what really did happen and over a much longer period, it really captured what I thought was the spirit of events. Johnny Depp's Scots accent was beautifully sustained, and little Peter was brilliant. Pat H -- Helen_A -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
Re: [GO] WSVS E L Haverfield part 2
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Beth Rich [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Muriels Choice is really good!! and the Discovery of Kate was enjoyable too. I haven't seen Phyll's original post yet but yes I think Haverfield is extremely readable. Kate Tyler says the same in The Book too. I also prefer the later ones (there's a list at the end of my paper). You do have to suspend a lot of disbelief about misunderstandings over which people suffer in silence for terms or even years and bizarre loyalties - why can't Kate just tell Magdalene to piss off? - but after reading a few that all seems entirely normal. -- Kate Lambert -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
Re: [GO] BD Violets The Sick Mother
Diane wrote Lying around on sofas stops being heroic and self-sacrificing and becomes selfish and manipulative. Yes, but I think that's a fairly modern view. You could contrast 19th 20th century attitudes here, perhaps. Yet we still have invalids sympathetically spoken of - by EBD, for instance. True Mothers conceal their illnesses until they finally keel over while doing the mending. This is just what the mothers do in Red Roofs Sally Anne. PS I really want to mention the Merediths in Rainbow Valley here, where not having a mother is to be completley unsocialised. It's too long since I read the book for me to be sure what you mean (not a hint for you to clarify! I'll read it). And also a representation - as you very rightly suggest - of maternal selflessness - Mum works herself to death? So inducing pangs of reader- guilt. Yes. I'd be glad if people could supply some examples here. I'm afraid my memory sometimes supplies a quote but not the book it's in. -- Barbara Dryden -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
[GO] RE GO Was Pullman's comments. Not sure what it is now.
At 04:04 PM 11/8/2004, Deborah A. Fleming wrote:Wow, Eleanor! Since you have it all figured out, why the hysteria?You can't refute anything I said, so instead you decide it's hysteria. You could at least not steal the word I used in the first place.All of that vitriole from you, much of it fact-free, is unnecessary, and maybeeven a little scary. I am sure it says much more to non-Americans about thecurrent state of our society in this country than it does about anything else.I seem to have missed the documentation you provided for your "facts." Cite me chapter and verse for your outrageous statements, and I'll be glad to respond in kind.Calm down, or don't, but you are the one who has turned this into somethinghateful. You might want to consider getting some help harnessing that angerbefore you hurt yourself. I'm glad you don't know where I live.It's a cute but transparent tactic to attack the messenger rather than the message. Instead of refuting anything I said, you suddenly decide you're above the fray. You started the entirely inappropriate discussion, but now you can't take the heat when someone openly disagrees. So you try to make the discussion about me, instead of about the political issues you raised.That's really all. I don't have time for this kind of nonsense.Is Girls Own really the place for this Eleanor? -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
Re: [GO] BD Violets The Sick Mother
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Barbara Dryden And also a representation - as you very rightly suggest - of maternal selflessness - Mum works herself to death? So inducing pangs of reader- guilt. Yes. I'd be glad if people could supply some examples here. I'm afraid my memory sometimes supplies a quote but not the book it's in. Enid Blyton is a bit given to that sort of thing. The mother's accident in Those Dreadful Children is used to guilt-trip the naughty children into reforming. Also the father's accident in House at the Corner, and of course Gwen's father's illness in Last Term at Malory Towers. Ann -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
[GO] teashops
There's a memory nagging at me which perhaps someone could identify? A book (Christie?) where an elderly lady is a murderess, possibly a multiple murderess, so that she can get the funds to set up a teashop. At the end, someone comments how creepy (my word) it is to have a 'ladylike murderer'. Sue After the |Funeral. It's by Christie, and exactly as you remember it. Tig -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
Re: [GO] RE GO Was Pullman's comments. Not sure what it is now.
At 01:10 PM 11/10/2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is Girls Own really the place for this Eleanor? No. So why didn't you object to the person who needlessly brought it up in the first place, rather than to my response? -- Eleanor ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) The Cherry Ames Page, http://www.cherryamespage.com Authors and Books for Children, http://www.elliemik.com Refined Ladies, http://www.refinedladies.com -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
Re: [GO] Pullman, etc.
In fairness to the poster of the Pullman article: Pullman is on-topic, as he is an influential children's writer, so the article is of interest to us. We have had discussions of Pullman before, and by no means all of us agree with his views! I disagree with most of Antonia Forest's political and religious views, at least insofar as they are reflected in her books; but I still love reading and discussing her books! Ann -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
[GO] OT: Bridget Jones: Edge of reason
Woo hoo! I know this is off-topic but Edge of Reason opens today here in Australia and my best friend and I are goging to see it tonight! I am very excited as I have never seen a film on opening day! Just had to share. Thank you! : ) Sandra (whose heart is palpitating at the thought of Colin Firth and that sexy smile...Ding Dong!) -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
[GO] Sales list
Am packing up to move so a list of things I can bear to part with. Sorry can only take sterling, cash or cheques postage extra NickyW GBP1.50 each, hb unless stated Jane Shaw: Crew of the Belinda, Crooks Tour, Bernese Adventure, Susan's Helping Hand, Susan Muddles Through, Susan Rushes in, Breton Adventure Katherine Oldmeadow: Fortunes of Jacky EBD: 3-in-1 pb - Jo Returns / New CS / Three Go Ethel Talbot: Girls of the Big House, Diana the Daring Streatfeild: Beyond the Vicarage ALOE: Story of Needle Mollie Chappell: Rhodesian Adventure Wyn Brocklebank: Windmill Hill Dorothy Dennison: Corrie Co Mary Elwun Patchett: Your Call Miss Gaynor (stage story) Elizabeth Weatherell: Wide Wide World GBP 3 each Mara Kay: House Full of Echoes, dw Margaret Moncrieff (Helen McLelland): Memoirs, pb, almost as new Ethel Turner: Three Little Maids Mrs George deHorne Vaizey: A Houseful of Girls, Queechy Camp Fire Novels: Girl Scouts of the Eagles Wing (Margaret Vandercook), Camp Fire Girls at Sunrise Hill(Margaret Vandercook), Camp Fire Girls Across the Sea(Margaret Vandercook), dw Camp Fire Girls at the White House (Julianne DeVries) dw, Camp Fire Girls on Caliban Island (Julianne DeVries) , Camp Fire Girls as Detectives (Julianne DeVries) , Camp Fire Girls at Long Lake (Jane Stewart) Camp Fire Girls on the March (Jane Stewart) Camp Fire Girls in the Woods (Jane Stewart) Camp Fire Girls in the Mountains (Jane Stewart), dw Camp Fire Girls on the Farm (Jane Stewart), dw Camp Fire Girls Trip up the River (Stella M Francis) Camp Fire Girls' Outing (Stella M Francis) Camp Fire Girls at Hillside (Margaret Love Sanderson) Camp Fire Girls at Forest Lodge (Margaret Penrose) Martha Finley: Millie Keith Series, as new - these are Mission City Press adaptations of the originals: Millie's Unsettled Season, Millie's Courageous Days, Millie's Remarkable Journey, Millie's Faithful Heart, Millie's Steadfast Love, Millie's Grand Adventure -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
Re: [GO] OT: Bridget Jones: Edge of reason
Wet Colin AND wet Hugh? (Palpitations increasing!) I think I will definitely enjoy! San - Original Message - From: Nicky Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 7:02 AM Subject: Re: [GO] OT: Bridget Jones: Edge of reason Colin and Hugh getting wet in their fight has perhaps been the best thing that happened to me for some time. Obviously I need to get out more but then I could get out all the time and I still wouldn't encounter Wet Colin and Wet Hugh. I was somewhat bemused by the geography of London as shown in the film but I suspect that's just me being nitpicky. Enjoy Nicky -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
Re: [GO] Query about Suffolk bookshops
That's interesting, Sue - I know the shop you mean in Southwold, having been there camping (Southwold, not the shop!) a few times, but I've never found anything remotely interesting, GO-wise, there. But it's obviously still worth visiting whenever I can Pam K - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 9:45 PM Subject: Re: [GO] Query about Suffolk bookshops There's a village called Westleton which has a huge second hand bookshop, with a good pub opposite. The shop's in an old chapel, but it's not very GO. If you get over to the coast three's an antique shop in Southwold which has a few books, up from the sea its on the left behind a basement cafe (noticeI always direct via food) Not a lot of books but I mention it because last time I was there it had some EBD hardbacks, not in reat condition, but therefore within reach, also some EJO's. Don't know if this was luck or if it's a regular interest of the owner, but it was earlier this year we were there. I'd have bought more if I hadn't had the spouse of 40 years peering over my shoulder Sue -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
[GO] Crying in books
Some years ago, I wrote a table (in pencil!) in the front of my pb copy of Little Women, documenting all the times they cried.Counting tears in eyes, there were numerous instances. Barbara -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
[GO] Being tearful
Oh yes, yes, yes! Forgot all about it, but had a reread just a couple of months ago and it just gets worse with each reread! DD is top of my reading list in every possible way and I just wish more people read her. Luckily I've a friend nearby who's also a fan so we can chat. Rose Cape Town Sue wrote: I agree totally about Incredible Journey, Masha, Railway Children, Rilla, etc: but the one which did for me to such an extent that I can't bear to re-read it is Dorothy Dunnett's 'Pawn in Frankincense' - for those of you who know it, I only need to say 'Chess game'. -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
Re: [GO] WSVS Topic 4
Amelia Bloomer was interested in dress reform as well as women's rights and
public activism for women. It was in 1852 that the temperance magazine she
edited ('The Lily') advocated and carried patterns for 'Turkish pantaloons',
which garment became known as 'bloomers' after her. They were usually
full-length loose garments, similar to what are known today as 'harem
pants', lightweight trouser-type things with fairly wide legs for comfort..
As shorter skirts became popular for women, some of them wore 'bloomers'
which ended at the knee. However, many of the campaigners for women's
rights/dress reform stopped wearing them because of ridicule. Elizabeth
Cady Stanton wrote that 'such is the tyranny of custom, that to escape
constant observation, criticism, ridicule, persecution, and mobs, one after
another (woman) went back to the old slavery and sacrificed freedom...'
She was sorry to lose the practical 'bloomer' which would have made it easy
for her to climb upstairs holding a lantern and carrying a baby without
tripping.
Christine
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From: Shereen Benjamin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 7:58 PM
Subject: [GO] WSVS Topic 4
I'm just catching up with this now. Thanks, Christine, for long and
fascinating post - I haven't read much North American GO lit, so I haven't
got much to say, but the following gem just grabbed my attention:
Women began to fight to change the way
they dressed; it was realised that their clothing restricted their bodies
and were bad for their health. One of the best-known clothes reform
campaigners was Mrs Amelia Bloomer, who gave her name to the
then-revolutionary garment.
I know I should know this, and of course I've seen loads of references to
bloomers, but can I confess my ignorance and ask what they acksherly
consisted of? I've never known.
I like the idea of clothes reform campaigners. Some of the early
headmistresses of the school I went to were among their number, and their
achievements in banning corsets etc were read out to us every Founder's Day.
At the time I'm afraid it didn't make much impression, but I think I'd've
paid more attention if I'd known about those statistics you quote,
Christine. 22 lbs of pressure, carried around with you all day long. Blimey.
Shereen
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