Re: [git-users] Use git on microsoft words documents
Original document will be reviewed and edited by a few people. Then later it will branched to different variations. Also, root document will be translated by different people to their own languages. The root document, these translated documents and branched document will be updated (root changes or better translations). How to manage this? On Thursday, May 14, 2015 at 6:12:32 PM UTC+8, Konstantin Khomoutov wrote: On Wed, 13 May 2015 21:29:18 -0700 (PDT) Massoud Yeganeh massoud...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Is it possible to use git to manage microsoft documents? We have so many files and we need to manage the version, change, languages, etc management. What do you mean by managing languages? Can we use git? You can, but note that MSO documents are essentially binary, and it's impossible to diff them using only built-in Git facilities. You might not need diffing at all (say, you're fine with just recording versions and put some information about them into commit messages, and are not interested in physical changes done to documents between revisions), and then you should be fine using Git as is. If you still need diffing, I think you might be better off with Subversion as there are tools available around it to help dealing with MSO-produced documents: * The diff viewer program shipped with TortoiseSVN -- the goto solution for working with Subversion on Windows -- has limited support for diffing MSO documents. * There is [1] which integrates support for Subversion right info MSO editors and claims to support diffing as well. I'd note that both products seem to rely on COM components made available by an installed MSO suite, so you'll have it installed on machines which would need that diffing functionality. Otherwise Git (and any other VCS system) will just be used as a tool to keep manage opaque changes to opaque blobs -- may be just what you need but supposedly not. 1. https://code.google.com/p/msofficesvn/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Git for human beings group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to git-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [git-users] Use git on microsoft words documents
On Thu, 14 May 2015 05:44:05 -0700 (PDT) Massoud Yeganeh massoud.yega...@gmail.com wrote: Original document will be reviewed and edited by a few people. Then later it will branched to different variations. Also, root document will be translated by different people to their own languages. The root document, these translated documents and branched document will be updated (root changes or better translations). How to manage this? Mark, Massoud, I started to question whether you're actually on the right track to find the solution to your problem. In my eyes, the problem with your approach is that you might not need a VCS in the first place or at least not *that* sharp tool Git is. Please don't be too driven away by the fact Git is currently on the hype and is the de-facto VCS most new software projects pick (to the point that some people asking for VCS-related help on non-VCS support forums do not mention what VCS they are talking about as they imply Git). Git is wonderful, but it's tailored to a specific task: managing source code of a software project by a person with advanced skill set and consequently matching demands to their tools. To me, it seems that your use case doesn't fall into this categorization (yes, I know that lots of inexperienced folks use Git but the question is should they use it in the first place). So, I'd like to ask you both: did you try to explore if one of the so-called document management systems (DMS) is actually the suitable fit for your use case? For instance, the Alfresco project is a mature and free DMS. A DMS allows you to inject documents, set up their workflow (approval, submission to other persons etc), manage their versions, receive notifications about edits etc. And all this using a simple (typically web-based) interface. Honestly, after reading your questions, I fancy how someone in your enterprise pulls from a shared Git repository, gets a merge conflict and... I'm just not sure that will play well, especially given the blob nature of those MSO documents (IOW, they are unmergeable in a normal sense). Do you really want to learn about remote vs local branches in Git? Suitable merge strategies to deal with blobs? I'm not so sure. Hence I'd suggest to first look at a DMS system and if else fails look at a centralized VCS (Subversion is a typical goto solution) or at least a VCS system which mimics a centralized workflow as much as possible -- with Fossil being a good fit. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Git for human beings group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to git-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [git-users] Use git on microsoft words documents
On Thu, 14 May 2015 18:39:41 +0100 Steve (Gadget) Barnes gadgetst...@hotmail.com wrote: Is it possible to use git to manage microsoft documents? We have so many files and we need to manage the version, change, languages, etc management. Can we use git? [...] At the risk of getting flamed for mentioning a differnt dVCS, the Mercurial, (hg), project has a very sneaky extension called zipdoc that stores the content of the zip files, (docx are actually zips containing XML), and the fact that they belong in a specific .docx, (or whatever), file. On committing such a file it is actually unzipped and the constituents either stored, or for an update, diffed and then on a pull they are pulled as constituent parts and then zipped to reconstitute the original file. You could either consider using Mercurial or trying to find or develop a similar extension. I wonder what this actually buys: you'll end up with a bunch of XML files (and picture files, if any, and the Manifest file, and so on), and the problem is that that XML file representing the content is as readable as the original .docx. As they say, “XML combines the efficiency of text files with the readability of binary files” [1]. I mean, diffing a machine-produced XML files, where a tiny logical change in a document could result in hefty parts of that XML swath rewritten is just marginally better than the original problem. To put it differently, IMO the only way to properly diff MSO documents is to use tools deriving on MSO libs to actually extract content sensible to humans from these containers, and somehow use it for diffing. I don't know how TortoiseSVN et al manage to use MSO-shipped COM objects to carry out this task, but they do. On the other hand, good tools for diffing XML *should* exist given the ubiquity of this crap in the enterprise sector. I don't know of any, but it worth googling or someone might chime in with a solution. ;-) In either case, I'm afraid both people who asked questions in this thread are looking for a document management system, not a VCS. And I'm afraid, setting up diff tools in Git wouldn't be an easily solvable task for them (please take no offence, guys!). 1. http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/xml/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Git for human beings group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to git-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [git-users] Use git on microsoft words documents
On 14/05/2015 05:29, Massoud Yeganeh wrote: Hi, Is it possible to use git to manage microsoft documents? We have so many files and we need to manage the version, change, languages, etc management. Can we use git? Thanks. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Git for human beings group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to git-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:git-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. At the risk of getting flamed for mentioning a differnt dVCS, the Mercurial, (hg), project has a very sneaky extension called zipdoc that stores the content of the zip files, (docx are actually zips containing XML), and the fact that they belong in a specific .docx, (or whatever), file. On committing such a file it is actually unzipped and the constituents either stored, or for an update, diffed and then on a pull they are pulled as constituent parts and then zipped to reconstitute the original file. You could either consider using Mercurial or trying to find or develop a similar extension. Steve (Gadget) Barnes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Git for human beings group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to git-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[git-users] Re: [ANN] multigit: overlaid git repositories
On Thursday, May 14, 2015 at 1:47:11 PM UTC+2, Cosmin Apreutesei wrote: Hello everyone, Hope this is the right place to announce a new git tool. It's called multigit, and it allows you to work with multiple repositories overlaid over a single directory. URL: https://github.com/capr/multigit It's used extensively as the package manager for luapower[1], and it's similar to vcsh[2] for those who know that project. It is useful for projects which are made of different components that are developed separately, but which need to deploy files in different parts of the directory structure of the project, like for instance: * manage customizations made to a web app in a separate repository. * putting your home directory under source control. * package and/or config manager for a Linux distro. I hope someone finds it useful. That does look very interesting. I haven't got a use-case for it at the moment, but I'm sure it could come in handy. I've marked it for inclusion in the next edition of Git Rev News [1] [1] http://git.github.io/rev_news/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Git for human beings group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to git-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [git-users] Use git on microsoft words documents
From the original poster's point of view: Yes, you can use Git to store various versions of MS Word documents, but you probably don't get much benefit from doing so, since Git can't see into the different versions of documents to see how they differ; to Git they're just blobs. OTOH, it may be that collections of blobs is all that you need the storage system to provide. Konstantin Khomoutov flatw...@users.sourceforge.net writes: Steve (Gadget) Barnes gadgetst...@hotmail.com wrote: At the risk of getting flamed for mentioning a differnt dVCS, the Mercurial, (hg), project has a very sneaky extension called zipdoc that stores the content of the zip files, (docx are actually zips containing XML), and the fact that they belong in a specific .docx, (or whatever), file. On committing such a file it is actually unzipped and the constituents either stored, or for an update, diffed and then on a pull they are pulled as constituent parts and then zipped to reconstitute the original file. You could either consider using Mercurial or trying to find or develop a similar extension. I wonder what this actually buys: you'll end up with a bunch of XML files (and picture files, if any, and the Manifest file, and so on), and the problem is that that XML file representing the content is as readable as the original .docx. As they say, XML combines the efficiency of text files with the readability of binary files [1]. I mean, diffing a machine-produced XML files, where a tiny logical change in a document could result in hefty parts of that XML swath rewritten is just marginally better than the original problem. The question is this: If you make a small change to the document (as a human sees it), does this cause a small change to the XML files within the Zip? If the answer is Yes, then many revisions of a document can be stored densely in a repository. And it might be possible to merge small differences in documents using a standard merging approach. But the only way to know would be to talk to someone who has considerable experience with this. Dale -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Git for human beings group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to git-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[git-users] [ANN] multigit: overlaid git repositories
Hello everyone, Hope this is the right place to announce a new git tool. It's called multigit, and it allows you to work with multiple repositories overlaid over a single directory. URL: https://github.com/capr/multigit It's used extensively as the package manager for luapower[1], and it's similar to vcsh[2] for those who know that project. It is useful for projects which are made of different components that are developed separately, but which need to deploy files in different parts of the directory structure of the project, like for instance: * manage customizations made to a web app in a separate repository. * putting your home directory under source control. * package and/or config manager for a Linux distro. I hope someone finds it useful. --Cosmin [1] https://luapower.com/luapower-git [2] https://github.com/RichiH/vcsh -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Git for human beings group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to git-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [git-users] Restrict users from creating or deleting the remote branches
On Wed, 13 May 2015 19:06:24 -0700 (PDT) Sakthivel D sakthis...@gmail.com wrote: Being a GIT Admin, I need to know how to restrict the users from creating a new branch or deleting an existing branch in GIT Remote server. With plain Git, you can't -- that's chiefly because Git being a distributed system does not draw a clear line between the server and the clients. So, if you need to have certain access control to your shared repos, you have to either install and configure some front-end which mediates access to these repositories or have a more involved turn-key Git hosting solution. Supposedly the most popular simple front-end these days it gitolite. As to hosting platforms, gitlab and gitblit seem to be popular and active. There are also Windows-specific solutions (typically plugging Git into IIS): Git Web Access, Bonobo Git Server (both are at codeplex.com). Of course, there are also commercial solutions available. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Git for human beings group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to git-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [git-users] Use git on microsoft words documents
On Wed, 13 May 2015 21:29:18 -0700 (PDT) Massoud Yeganeh massoud.yega...@gmail.com wrote: Is it possible to use git to manage microsoft documents? We have so many files and we need to manage the version, change, languages, etc management. What do you mean by managing languages? Can we use git? You can, but note that MSO documents are essentially binary, and it's impossible to diff them using only built-in Git facilities. You might not need diffing at all (say, you're fine with just recording versions and put some information about them into commit messages, and are not interested in physical changes done to documents between revisions), and then you should be fine using Git as is. If you still need diffing, I think you might be better off with Subversion as there are tools available around it to help dealing with MSO-produced documents: * The diff viewer program shipped with TortoiseSVN -- the goto solution for working with Subversion on Windows -- has limited support for diffing MSO documents. * There is [1] which integrates support for Subversion right info MSO editors and claims to support diffing as well. I'd note that both products seem to rely on COM components made available by an installed MSO suite, so you'll have it installed on machines which would need that diffing functionality. Otherwise Git (and any other VCS system) will just be used as a tool to keep manage opaque changes to opaque blobs -- may be just what you need but supposedly not. 1. https://code.google.com/p/msofficesvn/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Git for human beings group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to git-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
