[Gnhlug-org] Comments on Rob's plan
[Don't have a lot of time, so short and blunt] Membership - suggest two types of members: o voting [with all the responsibilities that go with it] o associative [allows membership to mailing lists, meeting attendance] both require registration, so you can take it away also (for bad conduct). Meetings can still be open to anyone (which takes care of visitors, new members, walk-ins, etc.) but to get on the announcement list you need to join, which means you agree to certain rules, etc. I personally like the concept of the Linux Daemons, and think that it would look real good on the back of a leather motorcycle jacket with a stylized version of Tux riding a Hawg, with the outline of our state in the background. Linux vs Open Source: I agree with Bruce. We need to focus. It is O.K. to talk about Open Source projects, and even the other systems for comparison, but we need to stay focused on Linux. See you tonight. md ___ Gnhlug-org mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
[Gnhlug-org] LUGS
be willing to help out on one or two committees, if I had a couple of others help also. Now to catch up on some topics: [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Yes, I agree on all point. The key will be to get enough regular users to show up to make it worthwhile! :-) This has been a challenge. Janet stated that the meetings are just too late for her. I mentioned that one of the reasons we start so late is that people can get to the meetings from a little farther away if they want to, but this does not address the needs of every group. Perhaps having the big meetings on a Saturday or Sunday, if scheduled far enough ahead of time, would be O.K. And hopefully, someone who does such a talk can do it a few times around the state. I think that it would be O.K. to ask someone to do it a few times is O.K., particularly if it was scheduled a couple of months after the first time. But to ask them to do it SIX times, just because other people do not want to drive 50 miles may be a bit much, particularly if the speaker is not local. Finally, we should not be too rough on ourselves. In the past we have: o Put on New User Nights o Had installation fests o Attended the Northeast PC shows o Attended Hosstraders o Gotten world-class speakers (Linus, Nat Friedman, Ken Coar, Jim Gettys, etc.) md -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux(R) International email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association, USENIX Association (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the US and other countries. ___ Gnhlug-org mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
Re: [Gnhlug-org] Statewide GNHLUG is still useful
Very good points, Dave. Sometimes we overlook the needs of others in thinking of just our own. md -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux(R) International email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association, USENIX Association (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the US and other countries. ___ Gnhlug-org mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
Re: [Gnhlug-org] So Now What?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I'm trying to stay out of things because I'll be away for a while (until March, but that may change). And connectivity is a bit of a pain where I'm going - not only is it hard to get to, its expensive too - at least until I get the lines and equipment installed - but that requires a certain unnamed government to pay some bills... So what are you doing in Washington D.C.? md -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux(R) International email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association, USENIX Association (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the US and other countries. ___ Gnhlug-org mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
Re: [Gnhlug-org] So Now What?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: At this point it almost seems like getting the local lugs working well might be he easiest way to build a better and stronger GNHLUG. I think that is how and why the Monadlug became a dynamic engine for change and growth in GNHLUG. So that is where my limited time and energy is more likely to be spent. I guessed I missed the fact that the Monadlug had been such a dynamic engine. But then again, I have not been watching them. Perhaps it became such a dynamic engine because the one person who wanted to stand up and take leadership (Jerry) was out there, versus Rob and Paul who were a little more reluctant (no complaints, guys, just an observation). Actually, I think that the real answer is to have a strong GNHLUG leadership, which then makes running the local LUGS easier. That strong leadership, made up of the different LUG leaders working together, could set the pace. Brainstorming works best in a room, where people can feed off each other's ideas and excitement. It is a lot harder over the net. Twikis approximate it, but I think that if several of us got together in a room one night that we could hash out a lot of stuff to revitalize all the LUGs. Then we parcel out the ideas to those who want to champion them. After it is rolling, more people will input. So I put the steak in the ground: Next Thursday or Friday night, or even Saturday? md -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux(R) International email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association, USENIX Association (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the US and other countries. ___ Gnhlug-org mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
[Gnhlug-org] Meeting to brainstorm on GNHLUG activities and future
Hi, I have talked to Ed Lawson and Rob Lembree and we have decided to get together Thursday night at 1830 hours to discuss and brainstorm on GNHLUG futures and revitalization. Since Martha's can get a little noisy on a Thursday night, I have suggested that we meet at the Grand Buffet on Rt 101A, and just get a table in the back to talk quietly. If anyone wants to join us and has a better spot to meet, please speak up. Thanks, md -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux(R) International email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association, USENIX Association (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the US and other countries. ___ Gnhlug-org mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
Re: [Gnhlug-org] Meeting tonight
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Where is the Grand buffet? It is not in the yellow pages for Nashua...is it on 101A going toward Amherst? Hehwho uses yellow pages any more? Even Martha's is not listed in them. Gooogggl: Grand Buffet, 350 Amherst St., Nashua, NH (603)881-9799 but I am still trying for Martha's, since everyone there knows our name. md -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux(R) International email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association, USENIX Association (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the US and other countries. ___ Gnhlug-org mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
[Gnhlug-org] Meeting tonight
I called Martha's and the second floor is busy. I count about six people interested in coming (and if I miss-listed a name, please forgive me): Ed Lawson Rob Lembree maddog Ben Paul Lussier Dave Berube I suggest we have it at Martha's, and just have it at one of the larger back tables. I will volunteer to be note-taker and secretary. We will put out the results on Monday (after a meeting with Rob Anderson on Sunday) and people can comment on them. So, for better or worse, see you at Martha's at 1830 hours. md md -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux(R) International email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association, USENIX Association (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the US and other countries. ___ Gnhlug-org mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
[Gnhlug-org] [On TOPIC] Thought for Food
To start people thinking tonight, I have re-read the answers to my letter: How 'bout them Linux? Ain't they somethin?! and I have come up with these gross generalizations: (1) most people come for comradery, community, knowledge-sharing with peers, interesting presentations, meeting other local geeks (2) several people did not like meetings that talked about organization or promoting Linux or politics or philosophy (3) we have a range of talent and knowledge from beginner to It is hard to tell me anything new (4) no one has heaps of time (5) no one likes traveling a lot (6) some people might like weekend big meetings, so they can have the time to travel to them and back (7) People liked the fix and break idea. I would prefer to have more of how to set up and tune, but that is just me. (8) Linux is more than just the kernel...it is perl, python, Apache, embedded Linux (9) FUN is definitely part of the package (10) Some people are willing to volunteer, but it has to be in manageable chunks of time, and a directed function. (11) We have often talked about doing things like video taping talks and putting them up on the net, but somehow it never gets done. Just some notes from the email messages that have gone past. md -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux(R) International email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association, USENIX Association (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the US and other countries. -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux(R) International email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association, USENIX Association (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the US and other countries. ___ Gnhlug-org mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
Re: [Gnhlug-org] Meeting Locations
Hey guys, When you send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED], please do not cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am getting each email message four times, which is three times too often, but I don't have the energy to figure out why I am on the list twice. Thanks, md -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux(R) International email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association, USENIX Association (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the US and other countries. ___ Gnhlug-org mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
Rob Lembree requests new leadership
Rob, I think in your quest to rid yourself of the job of being group leader, you are trying to solve two issues at once, and that might be scaring people off. First issue: Keeping the group going as it is Second issue: Extending the group to do more You might find that there are people willing to step up to the plate to solve the first issue, which would let you step down from an overloaded plate. Secondly, your request went out only to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think you really need to send it out to [EMAIL PROTECTED], something that this letter does. I (for one) would be happy to lead the group again, but I am simply NOT in the area enough to have meetings happen on a regular basis. The second issue is a lot harder and I think that Ed and I agree that a lot of these projects are better handled by a few people who really believe in each project than trying to get the whole group behind them. So I recommend keeping the second issue in reserve, to be treated at future times as they occur, rather than make it part of the first issue. So would anyone be willing to step up and do the minimal task of: o finding a room every month o generating a list of topics and speakers o sending out a monthly meeting notice and (perhaps) o leading discussions about projects as they form until a real project leader emerges? md [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I agree on all points. I would like to repeat my desire to step aside for someone with the time and drive to take on the task of leading the organization. I think that there's a tremendous amount of work that the LUG can do given good leadership. My workload and family prevent me from being an active leader now, and I only continue in the role for lack of someone stepping forward. I can't even play with Linux anymore, much less lead a group. -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux(R) International email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association, USENIX Association (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the US and other countries. ___ gnhlug-org mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
Re: Rob Lembree requests new leadership
Rob, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I think we should. I think that organizations need external reasons for existence. I love you like a brother, but apparently either a lot of people disagree with you, or they do not agree with you enough to step forward in a general way. Specific projects get specific people interested in them. When the hype matches the inertia, people step forward. When hype generation becomes too painful and no one has stepped forward, project becomes single-person or ends. but we don't have quarterly meetings anywhere but Nashua now But do only Nashua people come to the quarterly meetings? And has the person setting up the quarterly meetings put forth the effort to have them anyplace but Nashua? I don't know, I am asking the question. I am in the process of setting up a quarterly meeting, and I intend on having it in Boston, jointly with BLU and WLUG, at the USENIX conference. What benefit does GNHLUG offer CentraLUG and SLUG? (someone chime in here) Local Groups - local speakers, local meetings, helping hands in their small community without having to travel too much Umbrella Group - larger speakers, idea sharing, communication of problem solving, larger (statewide) projects If we organize, what's the organization? We spoke about this before, have a chair, and the board is the set of local LUG chairs, plus some other interested parties. I have been around for ten years on this. And for ten years the answer has been the same every time: Don't want big organization.just monthly meetings of good topics. md -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux(R) International email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association, USENIX Association (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the US and other countries. ___ gnhlug-org mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
Hosstraders
Ted et. al., Thanks for making up the fliers, it sounds great. I have procured the normal spot in the building at the fairgrounds and reserved four tables. I will be arriving there at 0700 to set up the tables. I will bring some extension cords, power strips, etc. The fairgrounds opens for normal people at 0900 on Friday, so if the rest of you show up then, you can put your stuff for sale around the tables and the demos on the table. I will also be bringing an LCD projector, if anyone would like to project some instructional stuff on the wall. I may even dig out my screen. Each person is responsible for their own chair, fan, ice chest, etc. The building closes at about 9:00 P.M. Friday, although outdoor haggling goes on all night. Bring a flashlight, or buy one of those new-fangled LED jobs from the flashlight guy who shows up every year. The building re-opens 0739 saturday, and it winds down Saturday PM. I will be staying over Friday night, camping in my tent. I will be grouchy Saturday morning. md -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association, USENIX Association (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
Linux classes at Hosstraders
Hi Norm, For the past couple of years we have talked about having more of a formal class on Linux at Hosstraders. We often show people a few things when they come past on a one-to-one basis, but we have never tried a one or two hour class. This year we will have two LCD projectors up there, and a couple of screens, so we could put on a class if we had a dark enough space and a place for people to sit. You mentioned (at one time) thinking about such a place...so could we do it? We could make up a sign telling people where and when and you could make an announcement on the loud speaker. I would suggest having it sometime around 1300-1500 hours on Sunday to give people time to find out about it, and so it will not interfere with church services if people want to go. Please let me know if this is possible, then I will get back to you with a description of what we will talk about and such. Thanks, md -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association, USENIX Association (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
WHOA! Re: Linux classes at Hosstraders (fwd)
Norm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I would suggest having it sometime around 1300-1500 hours on Sunday to give people time to find out about it, and so it will not interfere with church services if people want to go. Someone reminded me that Hosstraders is Friday-Saturday instead of Saturday- Sunday (I KNEW THAT!) and that most people would not be going to Sunday School on Saturday (yes, our Jewish friends might be...) So we could have it earlier on Saturday, say about 1000-1200 or so. md -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association, USENIX Association (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
Re: Linux classes at Hosstraders
Ed, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I think it is a great idea, but a little short on planning time. Work is piling up so not sure what I can put together in terms of a demo station. I will bring some bootable CDs of Knoppix set up with Ham Radio applications and the iso images for others to use to burn more copies. Will also bring around 20 copies of a print out of ham radio applications on Linux. I don't want this to be a burden on anyone. You know Hosstradersit is very informal, and I am sure that we can advertise this as a demonstration and not a class of: o a few ham applications o a few Linux applications and (perhaps) o how to install Knoppix :-) I think we can do all the planning necessary on Friday, with a little discussion before that. md -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association, USENIX Association (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
Re: Hosstraders
My mobile phone is 978-423-0433 if anyone cares. We always CARE, Ben! It is just that some of our phones do not work up in Hopkinton. Clear skies! You have to be kidding..it is Hosstraders! md -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association, USENIX Association (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
Re: Trade show banner
What would YOU like the banner to say? I think it should have: the GNHLUG logo and Greater New Hampshire Linux User Group. and maybe: www.gnhlug.org I belive in KISS. md -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association, USENIX Association (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
Re: Trade show banner
Ted, One more thing.do not make the background white. It should be grey at the very least, and a dark color is better, but may have problems with contrast. White shows dirt too easily, and we want this to last. Yes, I know you said vinyl and vinyl can be washed, but trust me.you don't want it white. Yellow might be good as a color. Daffodil works as a background, or Goldenrod. md -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association, USENIX Association (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
Re: RFC: Summer get-together for LUG coordinators activists
Ted, On the whole I think a day of planning, talking, thinking is a great idea. Here are some other thoughts: Is this an instructional event for the LUG, open to whoever might want to come, or a planning event for those who wish to lead or think they might know where the LUG is or should be going? I noticed that you sent out this to the org mailing list. I can see where having too many people at this event might be disabling to the event, but are we sure that the people that are on the org mailing list are really in tune with what the greater membership wants? Are we sure that the govs know what GNHLUG wants to be when it grows up? Secondly, presentations are great when you have a leader and a bunch of followers, but when you have a bunch of alpha-males (or alpha-females) in the group, and the group is only five people, perhaps it is overkill and underwhelm. If this is a planning event I would like to see topics do be discussed, with the same topics as you have listed as presentations, but no presentations per se. After the topics are chosen perhaps some emails with those subject titles to the list for ideas and discussion (or even, dare I say it, Wiki conversations), to get input and ideas from the mailing lists. bringing up the same old grudges What grudges? I don't know of any grudges. -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association, USENIX Association (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
Re: RFC: Summer get-together for LUG coordinators activists
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I tried to avoid the word presentation because that's one person talking and twenty sleeping, er, listening. I would then suggest Birds of a Feather Sessions in the old style: o one leader/note-taker/drum beater o participants are to contribute Almost a brain-storming session, but not as formal. md -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association, USENIX Association (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
Re: GNHLUG presence at SwaNH InfoExchange?
Bill, I don't know what the odds of getting a free booth are, though. I went to their pages and could not see any mention of booth prices. Do we know what they charge, if anything? Secondly, could we offer an Open Source track? md -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association, USENIX Association (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
Re: GNHLUG presence at SwaNH InfoExchange?
how could they say no? Usually an N followed by an O, as in What part of 'NO' don't you understand? :-) But usually they are reasonable people, and they will probably respond. We, on the other hand, had better make sure that we can deliver once we start the ball rolling. md -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association, USENIX Association (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
Re: Minutes from Saturday's organizational meeting (and more).
Bill, I actually understood what Bill Sconce meant, and was half-teasing him on my response. Bill has taken action on many events and projects, so he has proven that he thinks of GNHLUG as more than just meetingswhich is partly why his statement caught me off-guard. Yet I there are some people in the organization (and maybe a lot of them) that would be happy if the only thing the group did. Sometimes it seems as if these people would be happy to sit back and be entertained by a series of speaker puppets that magically appear, not understanding that the puppet masters behind the curtains are struggling to make things work. md -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association, USENIX Association (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
Re: Fwd: Re: gnhlug-announce mail list delays?
Have a great day! Heather Brodeur GNHLUG Taskmaster Go Heather, GO!!! md -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association, USENIX Association (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
Re: SwaNH Info eXchange: Software Tools of the Future: what would you say?
I would point out why software development under Open Source is better than closed source techniques: o peer review o rapid turnaround of development o large numbers of field testers o etc. (sent from the Korean Airlines departure lounge) md -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association, USENIX Association (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
Re: Hosstraders
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: FYI, I'm not bringing a DVD burner or DVD media, so you're on your own when it comes to that stuff. I have a portable USb/Firewire burner I can bring. md -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association, USENIX Association (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
Re: Announce: Proposal to incorporate GNHLUG
Ted, A very nice message. Thanks for sending it out. md -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association, USENIX Association (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
Bylaws - Ed Lawson's response and my feedback
Ladies and Gentlemen, [For background, Ed Lawson wrote an initial draft of bylaws that are up on the Wiki, and which I read and responded to. Here is Ed's input to that, and my response below. Sooner or later all the emails should come into sync on -org. - md] [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Just for general reference, the draft By-Laws were specifically drafted to be a skeletal as possible and to require the involvement in the administration of GNHLUG as few people as possible since historically it has been difficult to find people to serve in leadership roles and, given the concerns expressed about adding structure to GNHLUG, the intent was to leave things as open and unrestricted as possible. for example, to enable anyone to be a member and to be silent on dues and any qualifications for membership except as the Board of Directors might create if they so chose. This in turn leads to many open doors and details not specified. I operated under the assumption that GNHLUG philosophically would prefer something as short, simple, and flexible as possible. There are about five million ways to skin this cat and somehow, somewhere a few people are going to have to elect which of the five million options is to be selected, then present it, then filter the feedback, and then decide to go with the final result. Later tonight I should have time to go over Maddog's comments. All of what Ed said is true, and all of my feedback was intended on just that, feedback. And remember that what I say is only my opinion, and that others have opinions also. I will state however, that as we move forward it seems that getting some number of people together who have both time and passion to do something for GNHLUG should go above five. After all, we have about five mini-lugs in the group already. Certainly the leaders of each of these might be candidates for the board of the upper-level organization as well. Probably eleven is too many, but maybe five is too small. Just something to look at. One question I have is that the easiest way for small clubs to gain tax exempt status with the IRS is to piggyback on the registration of a larger umbrella entity. I wonder if Linux International has done any homework on this issue? Linux International is being formed to allow organizations to join as either a chapter member or affiliated member. A chapter is one that shares the name Linux International (such as Linux International - Turkey) and follows more or less (tailored for their culture) the charter and by-laws of LI. An affiliated member is one that does not share the same name as LI, nor even exactly the same charter, by-laws or goals (for example, LIVE - An affiliate of Linux International), but who has formed an alliance with LI for some goals. The chapter is more or less automatic membership as long as you conform to the requirements. The affiliate will take board voting after inspection of the affiliates charter, by-laws and reasons for affiliating. LUGS would certainly be part of either program. Whether or not this makes it easier for IRS tax exempt status or not is another issue. LI has to re-apply for its own tax-exempt status since we changed focus from being a vendor organization to an end-user organization. However, the models of charter, by-laws and IRS filing might make it a heck of a lot less work to follow that path then if you did it independently. Ed Lawson md -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association, USENIX Association (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
Re: GNHLUG *ONLINE*: Request for a bit of wisdom
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: The way I use it is, I don't believe this to be true but there's a chance somebody might possibly have this perspective. I would take offense no matter who said it. md -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association, USENIX Association (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
October 23rd
Hi, I may have to leave the meeting a couple of hours early on Sunday to make a 1710 flight out of Manchester. Would anyone be REALLY upset if we started a bit earlier, and (hopefuly) finish a bit earlier? md -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association, USENIX Association (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
Re: October 23rd
Hi all, There is now a 50-50 chance that I may not be able to make the event at all. It turns out that a conference that I was going to has booked me a flight leaving on Saturday instead of Monday. Depending on what they say about re-booking the tickets, I may not be able to attend the meeting at all. I do not want to jerk people around, so at this point unless EVERYONE else can change the time easily (and that means Ken), let's keep the time the same. I would like to do the incorporation thing before the woodbadge thing, as I can try to put some ideas down on paper about woodbadge, but incorporation will probably be more interactive, and have more immediate issues. md -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association, USENIX Association (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
Re: Are the bylaws too sparse?
Ted, In my first letter to the list on the issues of the by-laws I asserted most of these issues. [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: 1. Number and composition of the Board of Directors: I'd like to ensure that each chapter feels they are represented on the board, as this is _their_ ( and our) organization. There are several ways of handling this. You can have a larger board meeting one or two times a year (quarterly at most). You can then select out of them an executive board (three or four people) for day to day issues, with minutes if issues and decisions. You can have a small board, responsible for fiscal and legal issues of the organization, with a larger advisory board that works on issues of organization and activities. [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: 2. Rotating terms: in the proposed by-laws, all BoD members are elected for a three-year term. Frankly, I'd be very grateful for any volunteer willing to work for the group that long. I would suggest two year terms with elections for half the board every year. I think if the number of people running is small enough then having an election every year is not a big thing. Hold it at the annual meeting. [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: 3. Term limits: while some folks may get too comfortable in their positions, it's far more likely we can be eternally grateful to someone willing to do one of the jobs here. I'd be opposed to term limits, but wanted a discussion in the transparent open. I am talking about three terms in the term limits. After six years on the board I think it might be time to retire someone to let someone else have a chance. There is nothing to keep the person from taking on some other role inside the organization. [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: 4. Inclusive qualifications for membership: It's tempting to make some differentiation between non-voting attendees, associate memberships, and contributing/sustaining memberships, but we get into the landed vs. commoner bicameral solutions that have done the US so well until recently. You also have to be careful of 501(c) considerations. Too exclusive and these become an issue. On the other hand, you need some type of common bond, so membership is limited to those who have a love of free software and a desire to promote it may be enough. You can also differentiate between individual membership and corporate membership. I would suggest only individuals be voting members. On the other hand, having a sustaining membership for companies who wish to contribute money might be worthwhile. As a 501(c)6 they are not allowed to deduct strict contributions, but they can deduct membership fees. [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: 5. Membership exclusion: The reality is that there may be some limitations we as a group wish to place on membership, or the possibility that a member needs to be excluded for some reason. How should we define membership? There should be ways to remove members for undesirable conduct. [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: 6. Finally, should we leave this to the first BoD to bring to the - org list to discuss and establish as a policy document rather than encoding this in the bylaws? I believe that certain things should be in the bylaws: 1) number and organization of directors 2) officers 3) membership requirements 4) election terms, term limits 5) When and where (at the annual meeting, at a meeting specially called, through the mail to vote, etc.) Policies are for the things like how do you act, and what gets you kicked out and other things that come up over time. My two cents. md -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association, USENIX Association (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
AutumnSummit
Hi, A few comments on the Autumn meeting: Linux Mark Institute has recently changed its fee structures, and organizations like GNHLUG can make up to 50,000 dollars of revenue before paying any fees to LMI, and then only one tenth of one cent for every dollar of revenue after that, so I think you could register GNHLUG with them for free, not having to pay 200 dollars. As to Linux International, no one has formally asked me about it, and I can type up the current status and possibilities for GNHLUG for your consideration. md -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association, USENIX Association (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
Meeting to discuss incorporation
Hi, I have been out of town a few days, but I thought that tonight was supposed to be a joint meeting to both listen to Doug McIlroy and to discuss the incorporation. While I can find the announcement about Doug, I see nothing about the incorporation process. Has this meeting been scheduled yet, or have I just missed the meeting notice? Thanks, md -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association, USENIX Association (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
Re: Meeting to discuss incorporation
Bill, I seem to have dropped off the discuss list, and since the announce list was tied to that, I have been dropped from that too. I assume that the meeting will be in room L01 of Carlson Hall and be up there as soon as I can. md -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association, USENIX Association (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
Re: Meeting to discuss incorporation
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: But I couldn't find any of those addresses on the announce list - maybe Gelinas knows more as to why. Bruce, In the ancient past the discuss list was incorporated into the announce list, with the thought that anyone willing to discuss would be eager to get an announcement. If you signed up for both lists you would get things twice. We can probably revisit this policy, but people seem to have been happy with it. Thanks for turning me back on, although there was general agreement at the meeting tonight that I had only missed a lot of discussion around toll booths. Must have been discussion around queuing theory. :-) md -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association, USENIX Association (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
Re: Quarterly meeting Q1-2006 backup plan?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Hmm. I seem to remember a Christmas Party where maddog made a good Santa Claus. H, isn't Q1-2006 a little late for SC? Have you had Michael Stonebraker yet? (Ingress/Postgress, and other good databases) He is local, a good speaker, and I know him. When is the Q1 2006 meeting, anyway? md -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association, USENIX Association (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
Re: Quarterly meeting Q1-2006 backup plan?
Ted, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: The quarterly meeting was planned for January 24th, as a joint meeting with the ACM/IEEE in Manchester: http://acadweb.snhu.edu/Isaak_James/ITseminars/ITSeminars05-06.htm If Michael could be available, that would be great! maddog, could you contact him? I could contact Michael, but since Ken has already contacted him once, and since I will not be in town on January 24th, I think (for continuity sake) that either Ken or the meeting leader should contact him. It avoids a hand-off. Mike Stonebraker [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 603-232-3500 is where he can be reached. md -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association, USENIX Association (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
Re: The next big event?
In the immortal words of Simon and Garfunkel, Bad news, bad news... Mr. Stonebreaker'll be in DC on the 24th. We're SOL. Anyone got an ace up their sleeve? -Ken Find out when he is available and change the date of the big event. md -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association, USENIX Association (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
Re: The next big event?
Ideas for speakers: Jim Gettys (local, several of us know him, good speaker, X Window System) Brian Stevens - Red Hat - knowledgable about clusters and clustering. I spoke to him recently about coming to GNHLUG and speaking, and he said yes I should do that Issue: Not well known. Nat Friedman - GNOME Miguel - Mono Jonathan Eunice - Analyst - Illuminata - his view on Linux market and technology - office in Nashua - might do it for exposure - good speaker Ask someone from Sun to talk about OpenSolaris - make official request and see if they can get good technical person to talk about it. Have someone talk about OASIS. Important topic, timely. Get someone from the Mass office to talk about it. Invite the press. Invite Microsoft :-) md -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association, USENIX Association (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
Re: The next big event?
Apparently my email is not going through GNHLUG again. I told the list that I had seen Brian at a get-together last week and suggested that he speak to GNHLUG. He said that yes, he would like to do that. I have known Brian since he was a young engineer right out of college. We are good friends. md -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association, USENIX Association (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
Apparently Vorizon does not like someone from my parent's ISP.....
.logging in and authenticating against their email service. Therefore I changed to using my parent's ISPs smtp server, and the flood of outgoing email over the past four days has just gone out. Sorry for any out-of-date emails flooding onto the GNHLUG list. md -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association, USENIX Association (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
Re: Speaking at GNHLUG in January
Brian, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Well, it turns out that the CTO is likely out of town that day, but Tim Burke, director of kernel development at Red Hat (and also the director of the Fedora Project) agreed to do a presentation on Open source development productization - how Red Hat balances its role as community steward and purveyor of enterprise products. My email was held up for a few days duet to an smtp server issue, and apparently Heather Brodeur, one of Red Hat's employees has lined up Tim Burke to come give a talk that day, as you can see from the statement above. But I am sure that we can line up a time when you can come and talk about a different topic, and I will leave that to the organizers and you to discuss. Warmest regards, maddog -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association, USENIX Association (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
Re: Fwd: [linuxmark] linuxmark contact us submission
Hi, Yes, LMI created the zero-fee license because I was thinking of LUGs like GNHLUG. But to be truthful, it did not take much convincing of the rest of the board of directors. Warmest regards, Jon maddog Hall, President and Chairman of the Board Linux Mark Institute -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association, USENIX Association (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
Re: Hosstraders
Unfortunately? Sounds pretty fortunate to me. :-) Well, actually yes. The wedding is for a young friend of mine who probably comes as close to a son as I have ever had. The visit to the god-children is at an opportune time due to one's birthday this coming Sunday. I will only be about a week late in giving her a present. *raises hand* Heh, he never learns :-) Anything I need to do, other than show up on Friday and set up in our usual spot? Nope. I think the necessary paperwork is in my pile of mail, and I will send that in tomorrow. I called Al Shumann and ordered three tables at $13-$14 each (he does not know how much they cost at this point). I will probably come up on Saturday morning, depending on what time I actually get into my house that morning (my plane flies into Logan at 0005 Saturday morning), so I can re-imburse you for the tables. md -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association, USENIX Association (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
Re: It's time to talk by-laws again...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: 1. All chapters have a representative in the executive council. (What's a chapter? We'll let the governing body decide, perhaps by drafting regulations, perhaps by vote on a case-by-case basis.) 2. Two or more at large members can serve, bringing the total count of the group to an odd number. I would not try to keep it at an odd number unless you either finalize the number of chapters (I think this would be unwise) or add an at large member every time you add a chapter (also unwise). I would suggest this: One membership list for GNHLUG statewide and members vote for a council to lead the parent organization from the membership list. Each member can affiliate with one chapter (but attend others), and therefore get to vote for the leadership of that one chapter. Probably most people will join the chapter closest to them, but they will not have to do that. They can also join one or more SIGs, and then vote for that SIG leadership. I would like to see a database set up that holds this information (would be nice to have if the IRS comes knocking), and would make controlling the voting list easier also. [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: 7. Membership is open to the public. Representation should be available to everyone, but we may want to more clearly limit what would qualify as a voting member. Ideas on this sticky point very much welcomed. Sticky indeed, since we have some people on the list that live outside of New Hampshire. As to Ben's input: The reason why I think this is simple: If we're going to go before anyone and say we represent GNHLUG, we have to make sure we actually *DO* represent GNHLUG. That means everyone has to agree with everything we're pushing (more or less). I think that will be unnecessarily complicated and cumbersome -- we can discuss this aspect more if people don't agree. I think that general guidelines of We believe in Free and Open Source Software and its use is a pretty general idea and leaves lots of room open for advocacy. [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: This may have additional legal benefits as well. From what Ed has said, 501(c)(3) groups are better in terms of receiving donations, but have more restrictions on what they can do in terms of political activism. Sounds good for the non-advocacy group. The 501(c)(6) type of group is less restricted -- good for the advocacy group -- but contributions aren't tax-deductible. The issues of 501(c)3 vs 501(c)6 may be pretty much of a moot point at this time. The IRS (who determines such things) has been much tougher lately on who gets 501(c)3 status. So unless we are a religion or a real charitable entity (which means our members do not get compensation for what they give), we may have to go with a 501(c)6 as a membership based organization anyway. I would formulate it another way. I would create GNHLUG as a 501(c)6, then (if we wanted to do charitable things) create an offshoot as a 501(c)3 for charitable works. A 501(c)6 can always give money to a 501(c)3, but not necessarily the other way around. Ed, do you have wisdom to add? md -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association, USENIX Association (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
Re: It's time to talk by-laws again...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I don't understand. I thought one of the reasons for seeking (c)(3) status was so that contributions would be tax-deductible. ?? Sure, *if* you can get 501(c)3 status. What I am telling you is that several tax-lawyers I know are telling me that 501(c)3 status is becoming very hard to get. USENIX, as non-political and benevolent as it is, might not be able to get 501(c)3 status if they were to apply today. SAGE (when it was trying to break off from USENIX) had to apply for a 501(c)6. Let's do this in stages (and I am doing this loosely, and IANAL): o GNHLUG as it is today is an amorphous blob. There is no one in charge officially, there is no one to write a check to, there is no one responsible in any way. Despite this we patter on, because there are enough good souls that raise their hands to do things. o incorporation - gives you an entity that companies can interact with, but that entity can be profit-making, not-for-profit or non-profit. The corporation (versus the solely-owned proprietorship or partnership) gives the hand-raisers a certain legal insulation and also allows the organization to live beyond the owner's lives (or interests). As much as I hate the overhead involved, for GNHLUG to meet its goals (whatever they are) it may have to incorporate. Once we do incorporate, then we have these choices: o profit-making we all know about and they pay taxes o not-for-profit, probably would not have to pay taxes, but has to be very careful not to have money that spans the tax year o non-profit - can have money in the bank that spans tax years (albeit just a certain percentage of revenues 501(c)3 - benevolent, religious, educational, can't lobby (but can influence) 501(c)6 - membership, lobbyist 501(c)3 is most valuable from certain tax standpoints, since it allows people to donate money to it without being members. On the other hand they are more limited to what they can do with the money in a lot of ways. 501(c)6 is still valuable, since it allows you to collect monies and do business WITHOUT having to pay taxes. It also allows membership fees (in certain cases) to be deducted, and would give a corporate entity the tax umbrella. md -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association, USENIX Association (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
Re: It's time to talk by-laws again...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: It is for that reason I believe Ben's thought of more than one organization has some merit I hate to split it up into two organizations. It is hard enough to get people's time and energy for *ONE* organization. or at least it leads us to think about some important and fundamental issues concerning the mission and role of GNHLUG. I think this is the real issue. But I also think that having one organization with a primary and secondary focus is not that hard...maybe even a third focus: o maintain and coordinate a communications link between the various free and open source people in the Greater New Hampshire area (mailing lists and beer drinking) o encourage and educate others in the use of FOSS (go out and hog-tie the stupid windows users) o organize and coordinate events that help promote the first two bullets etc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I think Ted and Ben stirred all this up just to get more of us to Hoss Traders where we could chat endlessly about it over fried bread and bad coffee. Hey, don't you think the framers of the US Constitution did the same thing? (Hmmm, did they have fried dough back then?) I can be there Saturday morning. md -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association, USENIX Association (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
Re: Junk, er, useful stuff
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: 4. Two Handspring PDAs, one of the originals, the second bought as a refurb. Requires a ROM patch, available on the internet. Includes two docking stations, a portable docking cradle, original packaging and manuals, a Targus external keyboard, extra stylii and more. How much do you want for the Handsprings? md -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association, USENIX Association (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
Re: It's time to talk by-laws again...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: While I am advocating two legal entities, it is for legal and administrative convenience. I was more-or-less thinking that the administrative functions of one could mostly be a mirror of the other, and that it would be kept mostly transparent to any volunteers. Legal entities are the ones that take the most time, and the time that is of the least thank you factor. Creating a board, voting, keeping records, doing income tax (which still has to be done, just nothing paid)all the stuff that most of us have fought for so long. As one who has had to start up (and more importantly, close down) a couple of these, it is all pain and no gain unless you really need them. md -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association, USENIX Association (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
Re: It's time to talk by-laws again...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Perhaps I'm being a bit over simplistic, but shouldn't we just require registration to vote? I am starting up Linux International again, and even though I have a free basic membership, the people will have to register to join. After all, this is not much different than signing up for some mailing list. One of the things of a membership organization is that you have to define what a member is (and sometimes how to get rid of members). I think that having a person register as a member, then perhaps tick off on a web-based membership form what mailing lists associated with which email addresses they wish to have might be a way to go. And the registration form should probably have one of those graphical type in what you see to help keep down the auto-registration people. md -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association, USENIX Association (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
Re: It's time to talk by-laws again...
Ted, well, maybe the second meeting. in 1994. Please don't exaggerate. :-) Organization was definitely not discussed until after the third meeting, at least. I was at the first meeting. And I was at the second meeting when the person who organized the first meeting said they could not do it any more, and I (braver than normal) raised my hand to take over leading the organization for eight or so years afterwards. At that time it was determined that we should not get any more organized, and several times in the years I was the un-elected leader of the un-organization we discussed the question and voted down (in an informal way, since we were not formal) the option of becoming more formal. It is only within the past two or three years that we have seriously discussed organizing, with a percentage of the people agreeing that this might be useful. I see both sides, and I think that both side's needs can be met, but I think it takes real organization, with a real charter, real goals and real checks and balances. The stuff David mentioned with SwANH solves none of these issues, although it does make the financials and mechanisms a bit easier. md P.S. Ted, I know that you were just tongue in cheek when you said it was the second meetingit could have been as long as the fifthwe did not keep minutes at the time. -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association, USENIX Association (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
Re: It's time to talk by-laws again...
I am very sorry to hear that you have lost an eye and leg. Your dry cleaning bills must be high too given the mess that parrot must make. Aye, 'twas a real mess, for as long as the parrot lasted. (A snake got 'im.) Too bad, I was going to use him in an upcoming BeachHead column in the Linux Journal called Pirates: Software and Otherwise md -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association, USENIX Association (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
Re: Incorporation under a different name
As one of the people who have put a lot of time and effort into GNHLUG, I have mixed feelings about the issue of having the new organization have a new name. I would like to see GNHLUG evolve, and not have it the WEENIES go off to form a (possibly) competing group. I do not mind having a parent umbrella group (like SPI vs Debian), but it seems to me that it should be the goal of the organization to create such a structure and set of arguments for it that the majority of people on the GNHLUG list would embrace it, and therefore support the effort. If we lose one or two people in the process, this seems to be the problem of growth or change. If we lose 50% of the people in the process, then perhaps we have done something wrong and should re-consider. md -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association Board Member Emeritus: USENIX Association (2000-2006) (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
Re: Incorporation under a different name
Ben, Is it Free Software or is it Open Source? Many years ago an argument for calling it Open Source came up because of the business people thinking that Free Software was always gratis and that we needed to call it something else. After many years I think we were wrong, and we should have just made a greater effort to have people understand that Free meant Freedom, and not Gratis. Now we spend a lot of our time discussing the differences between Free Software and Open source when we should be telling people the differences between Free Software and Software Slavery. Likewise while I understand your suggestion of a different name for the organization, in order to protect both the name GNHLUG and WEENIES, would cost close to double the money, time and effort. Do you have two different mailing lists while the GNHLUG people decide if they want to join WEENIES? How do you explain the differences between the two groups? I prefer the route of: Create a great plan Explain the great plan Correct as necessary Vote on the Great plan Move on Believe it or not, we spent a fair amount of time picking the name GNHLUG It was the Greater New Hampshire Linux User Group because we wanted to be embracing to Northern Massachusetts and Western Maine. I am proud of the name, what it has done and what (hopefully) it will do. You can keep the other name plan in your back pocket for right now, in case the plan goes afoul, but I would prefer moving forward with the same name. md -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association Board Member Emeritus: USENIX Association (2000-2006) (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
Hosstraders
Whatever was scheduled for October 6th and 7th seems to have disappeared from the calendar, so I can actually come to eat cold hot dogs and drink warm beer, sleep on the hard ground and sit in soft seats.and prove that my coming does not automatically bring rain. I will buy the space and tables. md -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association Board Member Emeritus: USENIX Association (2000-2006) (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
Re: Hosstraders planning - REMEMBER THE MARKET
Maybe I will pick up a spindle of DVD-R's, if we're going to have that many DVD recorders available. It will prolly depend on what prices I see. I can bring the remains of a couple spindles that I have on-hand. How many discs do you think that will be, roughly? I've been reconsidering DVDs in the light of the latest recording speeds and media prices, and I'd say the numbers have crossed the threshold such that DVDs make sense for our needs. So I'll probably grab a spindle of 25 or 50, unless your remains outweigh that. While we may be capable of making DVDs, some of the equipment that our Hosstraders customers have might only have CD readers on them. We need to be able to make both, even if it is cheaper and faster to make DVDs. md -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association Board Member Emeritus: USENIX Association (2000-2006) (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
Re: Hosstraders planning
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I will be uploading a fixed v2.10 iso file about 22nd september. if you have an earlier iso file or one from another site, it may require this bugfix. Gah! What is it about programmers that they don't get release management? If you change something, change the fscking release identifier! Now I have to figure out which version of version 2.10 is which I do not consider this release management as much as versioning control ...but I am sure we could argue the semantics for hours..or even days. :-) md -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association Board Member Emeritus: USENIX Association (2000-2006) (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
maddog's ETA at Hosstraders is approximately 1130 to noon.
-- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association Board Member Emeritus: USENIX Association (2000-2006) (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
Re: GNHLUG NH registration
Ted, Well, we always wondered what would happen if someone tried to steal our name...and the other question was who in the world would want to do that? The fact that they have had it registered from 2000, yet still put in a report in 2005 shows a long-term interest in the name, yet I (like you) have not heard of Peter Wells, not any of the other officers listed in the annual (which by the way is a five year) report. Of course I do not know all the people in the Peterborough chapter, and it is possible that this guy just went out and incorporated it to save the name while the rest of the group wondered what to do next. I have found a Peter Wells at that address, self-employed as an architect/artist. So, since I have been attached longer than almost anyone, and actually came up with the name, do you want me to contact them and politely ask what gives? md -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association Board Member Emeritus: USENIX Association (2000-2006) (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
Re: GNHLUG NH registration - As Elmer Fudd would say: Stwanger and Stwanger
Absolutely! This could be interesting. Greater New Hampshire Linux Users Group - Bus ID 361018 It gets more interesting. I called Mr. Peter Wells of 408 Middle Hancock Rd., Peterborough, NH 03458 at 603-924-8417 and he says that he has never been involved with Linux and has no idea what I am talking about. He thought that perhaps someone put the wrong address on the form, but when I pointed out that it was signed by Mr. Peter Wells, and that Peter Wells should know his own address, he kind of laughed and said I guess he should. I asked Mr. Wells if he would be willing to sign a deposition to the state saying that he had never signed this report, and he said that he would be willing to do that if necessary. He did give me the name of another Peter Wells (603) 899-5460 in a town close by, and I have a call in to him. In any case, my next calls are to: Cary Williams - 36 Jauqith Rd., Hancock, NH 03449 Jan Phillips, 70 Goldmine Rd., Dublin, NH 03444 Barbara Caverly, 9 Caverly Lane, Hancock, NH 03449 -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association Board Member Emeritus: USENIX Association (2000-2006) (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
Re: GNHLUG NH registration: More and more interesting
Hi, I called one of the Board of directors on the form: Barbara Caverly 9 Caverly Lane Hancock, NH 03449 There is no Caverly on Caverly Lane. No Caverly in Hancock. These two people seem to exist, and I have left voice mail on their answering machines: Gary Williams (603) 525 4249 36 Jaquith Rd. Hancock, NH 03449 Jan Phillips (603) 563 8395 70 Goldmine Road Dublin, NH 03444 Might this have happened when Jerry Kubeck was active? I would have thought that Jerry's name would be among those listed. The form at: https://www.sos.nh.gov/corporate/soskb/Corp.asp?443241 has no agent name or address, just a PO number. Seems like a bad way to run a state government. md -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association Board Member Emeritus: USENIX Association (2000-2006) (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
RE: GNHLUG NH registration: More and more interesting
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: There were Caverly's in Hancock. They had quite a spread. They could have had their own street. They moved. When did they move? The report was filed on February 7th, 2005, signed by a guy named Peter Wells as President who is not the same Peter Wells that lives at that listed address. When you Google Greater New Hampshire Linux Users Group and Peter Wells you come up with NADA. Try doing the same thing with Ben Scott or Lembree. If the group was at all active, and they were active in it, their names would pop up. This is a hoax, and I think all the names on the report are bogus. But we will see. I am patient. md -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association Board Member Emeritus: USENIX Association (2000-2006) (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
Re: GNHLUG NH registration
Ted, I have now spoken to three of the four people on the GNHLUG report (I could not call Barbara Caverly, because there was no Caverly on that street, or in that town. But I talked with Peter Wells, Gary Williams and Jan Phillips, all listed as board members on the report, and all residing at the addresses listed on the report, and NONE of them knew anything about Linux or the Greater New Hampshire Linux Users Group. I have a young law student who is doing something for Linux International at the Franklin Pierce Law School in Concord. He is one of Ashlyn Lembree's students. I will ask Ashlyn if he could get us a copy of the original filing to see whose name is on the original filing, but I would think that the four bogus names on the report would be enough to nullify the current listing. Regards, maddog -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association Board Member Emeritus: USENIX Association (2000-2006) (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org/
Greater New Hampshire Linux Users Group
Ashlyn, Recently the GNHLUG group finally signed a set of incorporation papers and submitted them to the State of New Hampshire so we could start incorporation. We were then told by the state that there already was a Greater New Hampshire Linux Users Group, and Ted Roche of our group sent us this email: The Secretary of State office informs me that the Greater New Hampshire Linux User Group was registered on October 4, 2000. A little digging on the web site yields the following documents: https://www.sos.nh.gov/corporate/soskb/Filings.asp?443241 https://www.sos.nh.gov/corporate/soskb/Corp.asp?443241 Last activity appears to be the annual report filed on 2/7/2005 by Peter Wells of Peterborough. I don't think I've met Peter, although he lists himself as President. I looked at the latest report, and did not recognize any of the names listed as board members, and neither did anyone else. I then tried to call Peter Wells at the listed address, and that Peter Wells listed as the president of the group said that he had never heard of the Greater New Hampshire Linux Users Group. I then called the other four people listed on the form. Two said that they had never heard of the group, and the last person listed, Barbara Caverly, does not appear to exist at all. In other words, the entire report submitted on February 7th, 2005 is bogus. I was wondering if Jason could get us a copy of the original incorporation papers for Business ID 361018, so we can see the original incorporators of this entity. We think it might have been Jerry Kubeck, one of our members who lived in the Peterborough area, but if it was, why didn't people put their real names on the report? This really has me stumped, because whoever filed the report had to pay $100. to file it, so it is more than just an idle prank. Thanks, md -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association Board Member Emeritus: USENIX Association (2000-2006) (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org/
Hans Reisler (Was GNHLUG Launders Money?)
I was going to use Hitler as the subject line, but that was a little too strong for this particular thread, so I will just use poor Han's name instead. Folks, I really do not want to spend our time and energy finding out or even guessing why this person incorporated GNHLUG and is carrying on this fraud. That is the State's concern, and they have more time and money than we do (well, time anyway). I just want the state to recognize that the current registration is bogus, to assign us the name and a new business ID, and to let us get on with our lives. So just like I did not appreciate the wild speculation on Han's personal life, let's keep the speculation as to what is going on with GNHLUG's registration to Just the facts. Ashlyn Lembree has kindly agreed to get her student, Jason Tuttle, to look into this for us. They are in Concord, just a couple of blocks from the Capital building. And since Jason is studying Intellectual Property and Transaction Law, this is right up his alley. Ashlyn also asked Rob Lembree (who was a chair of GNHLUG at that time) if he had heard of any of the people on the list, and he said no. md -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association Board Member Emeritus: USENIX Association (2000-2006) (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org/
Re: GNHLUG NH registration
Cole, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Out of curiosity, did you ask if they knew each other - leading to the question if perhaps they knew somebody in common? No. Seeing that they just got a call out of the blue telling them that their name and address was on a document stating that they were a board member of an organization that they had never heard of, I was not going to play six degrees of freedom with them. One was already making noises about privacy violations. I told them that at most the State of New Hampshire might be calling them to verify that they were not the board members. I will repeat that the person that supposedly signed the document, paid the $100. registration fee, etc. was Peter Wells of 408 Middle Hancock Rd., Petersborough, NH 03458 and when I called him he said that not only had he never signed a letter like that, but he had never heard of the Greater New Hampshire Linux User's Group. That alone should be enough for the state to cancel the registration. Interestingnow that I go back to Ted's original message to try and get the original documents to come up, I get this message from the New Hampshire Corporate Division Website: Microsoft VBScript runtime error '800a01a8' Object required: '[object]' /corporate/soskb/Corp.asp, line 41 If I wanted to go the paranoid route, it seems that the webmaster of the State of New Hampshire is involved in this. md -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association Board Member Emeritus: USENIX Association (2000-2006) (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org/
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Ed, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Consider the following for a moment. For them to file an annual report, they had to know there was organization in the first place or someone who asked them to sign had to know about the organization. SOMEONE had to know there was an organization, but not necessarily Peter Wells of 408 Middle Hancock Rd. No one checks your id when you file those forms. The person who filed it could have been Frances Snodgrass of Tallehassi, and just looked up four people's names in the telephone book, put their names on the document (all were the same block-style printing), then signed the form Peter Wells. No other signatures were required, and I bet there was no checking of ID. On the other document that Ted found, there was no name for contact or agent, only a PO Box number. So when the State sent the notice for the report, it went to the PO number, which over five years could have been assigned to someone else. [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: It a weird world and most anything can happen, so who knows. Yup, I just want to have this registration annulled, and let's go on. md -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association Board Member Emeritus: USENIX Association (2000-2006) (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org/
Re: GNHLUG, Non-profit organization since 2000 (!!)
Jim, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: No humor found in this outgoing message. Checked by SMILEGARD Anti-Humor. Version: 7.1.384 / Humor Database: 268.4.3/317 - Release Date: 4/18/2006 SMILEGARD license grants no warranty of any kind, expressed or implied, nor any warranties of merchantability and/or fitness for a particular purpose and/or that it will even work. Your filters are amazingly effective. md -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association Board Member Emeritus: USENIX Association (2000-2006) (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org/
Re: Nashua MythTV announcement revisted
Ben, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I haven't seen anything on gnhlug-announce about the upcoming MythTV presentation in Nashua (scheduled for Thr 18 Jan, less than two weeks away). Well, I have it marked down on my calendar, AND I have ordered three copies of Jarod's Hacking MythTV book via Ted Roche, to be picked up at the event. so I will be unhappy if Jarod is not there to sign all three of them. [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: #ifdef BEAT_DEAD_HORSES I know there are people who would make special plans to attend this presentation, but I'm pretty sure we're already past the deadline for them to make special plans, too. :-( Only if they did not mark it on their calendar when the announcement was made. 2. It is unlikely we will ever announce something too often While I believe that some people and groups CAN announce something too often, I agree that GNHLUG is probably not one of those groups. So thank you for your re-announcement. maddog ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org/
Is it announced or not announced, that is the question...
December 9th - a cross posting by Ted Roche suggested that Jarod Wilson will be speaking at the January meeting of the Nashua Group. This was posted to gnhlug-discuss December 15th - Ted posted that he was going to offer Jarod's book at the January 18th meeting, and again that was cross-posted to gnhlug-discuss December 22nd - Ted sent out minutes of the MerriLUG meeting that talked about the announcement made there about the next meeting, January 18th, that would include Jarod Wilson which was sent out to gnhlug-discuss. And the calendar at the web site announces it. But I guess you are right, I can not find the official announcement that has as the subject line: MerriLUG: Twelve days from now, January 18th, Jarrod Wilson and MythTV sent out to gnhlug-discuss, or even gnhlug-announce. don't take this personally I don't FRUSTRATED I hate to see you frustrated. I know that you allow these things to bother you and that your blood pressure probably goes upthis can not go on, since we really do like heckling you. So folks, can we have the powers-that-be verify that Jerrod is still coming, plans to be there, and that Ted really is going to get the books, etc.? And can we post that to an appropriate place? Let's save Ben! Love, maddog ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org/
Re: MythTV install fest
Ben, Awesome idea. I suggest that we might want to do it on a college campus. It has the room, the Internet connections, and we could introduce even more college students to MythTV (although I know that every CS student already has about 1TB of movies stored). Here is another idea: Get Showtime Computers in Londonderry to put up a table at one of the PC shows (NorthEast Computer Shows) and have him demonstrate to all the Windows Weanies what FOSS can do. It probably has not occurred to him to do this, but MythTV and a nice LCD screen turns a PC into a combined PC, Video Recorder and TV, probably for less than the cost of the individual components (well, by definition it does). Matt Oquist and I have good relations with him. Maybe we can stop by next week and give him a demo and a disk. He has some linux guys that could help him set it up. We might also talk him into some sweet discounts for GNHLUG people looking at higher-end MythTV boxes, pre-configured (for those of us that are too busy to do it ourselves). md ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org/
Re: MythTV install fest
On Tue, 2007-01-23 at 19:39 -0500, Bill Sconce wrote: On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 10:37:43 -0500 Shawn K. O'Shea [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This made me wonder about TV stations in NH. I have a (technical) contact at Channel 9... New Hampshire Technical Institute: New Hampshire Technical Institute 31 College Drive, Concord, NH 03301-7412 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (603) 271-NHTI(6484) Has a program in Broadband and Telecommications Technology that deals with Analog and Digital Communications Systems. Dr. Sterling Hough is the department head, worked at Bell Labs for 30 years. I am willing to bet that they not only have a few TV cable leads that they could feed into people's boxes, but they have the equipment and expertise to analyze what is wrong if it did not work. And they probably have the space to hold an install fest. Probably his students would like to participate too. I will call him tomorrow (wednesday) and let you know. md ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org/
The Greater New Hampshire Linux User's Group (GNHLUG) and MythTV
Dr. Hough, It was very nice talking to you today about the possibility of having a MythTV installation fest at your school. I understand that you need to take a couple of days to familiarize yourself with what I am talking about, but I would be more than willing to come to your facility and discuss this to greater depth in a couple of days. In the meantime, here are some of the project pages that I told you I would send: MythTV - a complete home client/server based home entertainment center, a Tivo on steroids: http://www.mythtv.org/modules.php?name=MythFeatures PlutoHome - a commercial project based on GPLed Free and Open Source Software to control your home: http://plutohome.com/ and for someone who spent a lot of time at 1600 Osgood St.: http://asterisk.org/about These are all projects that have much to do with broadband technologies and the Internet, as well as cable TV capabilities. As I said, it would be the desire of GNHLUG to be able to hold an installfest for these types of systems from time to time. We have been talking about MythTV since our last VERY WELL ATTENDED meeting, and we are enthusiastic about having people from New Hampshire come to your school to do the installation and try it out. I would envision that we would put directions on our website that would allow people to bring their computer systems with the right specifications (disk, memory, CPU speed and interface cards) and with the disk wiped clean, ready to install. They could even initially stall the software if they have the capability of booting a live CD on their system, just to test it out. As I told you on the phone, we could install through CD/DVD or over the network, but usually the first is the better way...we can simply re-use the CDs as each person gets finished. Then when they bring in their system it would be a matter of setting it up correctly and testing it. Or they could just bring it in bare. I imagine we would want to do this with a smaller group to pilot it, then open it up to a much larger group, perhaps with a web-based time sign-up so we are not overwhelmed at any one time. I think the attention that this would get from newspapers, radio and (even) TV would be good for both our group, Linux, and your school. I will call you in a day or two to follow up on this and the other topics I mentioned. I am copying our organizational team to let them know I contacted you. Warmest regards, Jon maddog Hall -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association Board Member Emeritus: USENIX Association (2000-2006) (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org/
Re: MythTV install fest
On Thu, 2007-01-25 at 14:35 -0500, Bill McGonigle wrote: On Jan 23, 2007, at 19:39, Bill Sconce wrote: I have a (technical) contact at Channel 9... I have never been to Channel 9 studios, but I have been to lots of other studios, and they typically to not have the room to put together an install fest. What they DO have is the ability to publicize the install fest, and here I agree with you entirely, we can present a picture that benefits them. Suggestion: o use NHTI as the festplace (assuming I can convince themand you know I am convincing) o set up a preliminary pilot of the install fest and invite Channel 9 to get some footage for a future show. Work with them to get a tap-off of the MythTV screen, answer their reporter's questions, etc. o Have them do a show on it right before our main fest, and have them help us advertise it. md ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org/
Re: MythTV install fest
On Thu, 2007-01-25 at 19:56 -0500, Bill McGonigle wrote: oh, agreed - I was just thinking one of Bill's friends or their coworkers at Channel 9 might be available to help man the fest. We've got the linux expertise but I'm not sure we have the tv engineering expertise (though I could be convinced that we do or we don't need it). Heck, I bet some of them might already have mythtv boxes. I only know a couple tv engineers but you've got to be pretty hard core to drive a snowmobile up a mountain to babysit a set of clystron tubes which nh tv engineers can tell you good stories about. So they tend to be pretty serious computer geeks as well. Hey! If the Channel 9 engineers want to come and join in the fun, well, come on in, the water's fine! But I went after the school because I figured they would have the expertise and the room But let me talk to them and we will find out. md ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org/
MythTV Installfest - Showtime Computers and NHTI
Hi, I went over to Showtime Computers yesterday and spent some time with Fred Ramos, the owner. Via the web I showed him MythTV, Plutohome and AsteriskNOW, and he said that he was very interested in putting together some of these systems and selling them from his store. He has some re-cycled Compact systems that might make good satellite systems, and some new thin client boxes that would also make some good settop boxes. We might be able to work a deal with him on bulk purchase of boards for our group. I told him that I was trying to set up an install fest through NHTI, and he asked to be kept abreast of that. I have a call into Sterling Hough of NHTI as a follow-up to the call of last Thursday. md ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org/
MythTV/NHTI install fest
Hi, I had a call back from Sterling Hough and he and I will be meeting with a couple of his staff on the Morning of Wednesday, February 7th at 1000 hours to discuss what we would be doing and do look over the facilities. If one or two of you would like to join me on this and have the time, you would be welcome. Other than that I can just give a report when I get back. As I said before, I would propose a trial installfest, perhaps made up of existing GNHLUG members in the near area, and if/when that comes off we can think about opening it up to the general public. Sterling has to check with the management of the school, but he does not foresee any problems. What types of things would you like his facility to provide? o Internet connectivity o Cable TV connectivity o Space o Electricity o Servers? o PR? And what would we be providing? Examples might be: o Expertise o Bodies to help coordinate o Management o Web site coordination/registration o Advertising o Contacts to Public Radio? o Ben (for heckling) With enough registration time before the public event, we might be able to work a discount with Fred Ramos on cards/disks. md ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org/
Our meeting on Wednesday, February 7th at 1000
Sterling, This is to confirm our meeting at 1000 on February 8th at your facilities in Concord. I polled our group and we feel that these are the types of things that we would need from NHTI and what we would provide: NHTI provides: o Internet connectivity o Cable TV (Comcast) feeds and OTA (Over The Air) feeds or antenna o Space for the actual installation fest o Electricity o PR coordination And our group, GNHLUG provides: o Expertise o Bodies to help coordinate o A small PC server, if needed o hubs, switches and other small networking gear o Coordination of the actual event o Web site coordination/registration o Advertising o Contacts to Public Radio and Public TV for PR Even though NHTI might have all of the hubs, switches and other small networking gear, GNHLUG may want to supply them, in case we ever want to duplicate this experience in some place like the Hopkinton Amateur Radio Hosstraders event held twice a year. I am looking forward to meeting you. maddog ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org/
Re: Draft MythTV proposal and results of meeting with NHTI faculty and staff - March 3rd target for pilot
High-Def or standard analog? I know Jarod was more familiar with HD since he has it available and it is not that great a price premium. Is our audience more likely to have ATSC-only via cable? I don't think we get much OTA HD up here, and I haven't tried yet the great tip that I'm likely to have QAM-256-encoded HDTV on my analog cable. I would be concerned that selecting an HD card might lead to more support issues, but may be off-base on this. I think that these days most new cards would support both SD and High-def. Again, I have no problem with asking people to purchase a good card that has a wide range of capabilities (in fact, that sounds better all the while) if that card is going to be easy to work with and give good value. If a person already has a card and wants to try to use it, that is one thing, but if we recommend a card (even with all the caveats), it should be one that works. Re: selected distros. If Jarod would be the primary technical resource, he might be a good one to consult on that choice. I know he wrote the Fedora Core HOWTO for MythTV, and I don't know how far- ranging his expertise goes. (Deer in the headlights) I would not want to volunteer Jarod (or anyone) to be the primary technical resource. That having been said, this is an APPLIANCE. It could have OS/X under it for all I care.no, I do care.o.k. any linux distribution. Fedora core is fine. It is just that the Knoppix one is so cool in running live off the disk.does Fedora Core do that? md ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org/
Re: Draft MythTV proposal - setting expectations **
I'm thinking there are likely 3, maybe 4 major categories of television user that would want a DVR, at least that I can imagine... (excluding satellite, although they fall into a similar category as the cable box scenario below)... 1 - Basic cable - aka coax cable coming into the back of their TV 2 - Digital cable - coax to back of TV that supports/has a digital tuner 3 - Either of the above (analog or digital cable) with encrypted channels (HBO, Cinemax, Showtime, etc) - aka requires a cable box 4 - HD (whether OTA from antenna, OTA on your cable wire or from a cable box) For 1, I'd recommend we look at the support WinTV PVR cards, since the hardware mpeg encoder is going to provide better performance, and they are readily available. Of course, here the caveat is that we probably *do not* want to recommend the PVR-150 because of the Happauge boxing HVR-1600 in a PVR-150 box issue (see notes here if you aren't aware: http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_PVR-150) I don't know much about 2 yet. I haven't gotten that far in my personally learning curve. I guess you need a DVB card? For 3, the Happauge cards are probably still a good solution, except you'll need to suck in via S-Video or composite (unless you are lucky enough to have one of those firewire cable boxes). The issue here is that you need to have support for an IR blaster for channel changing. For 4, as Ted mentions, may be much more difficult to support. Here, we probably would recommend a pcHDTV or maybe that HD Homerun, if we supproted it. Encrypted channels here are another ball of wax if people have HBO HD, etc. Well, here is the other side of the coin. We have to set people's expectations. As far as I know, there does not seem to be any solution for Encrypted Channels. So we tell people: MythTV does not record or play channels encrypted by your cable company such as HBO, etc. But it does work fine with OverTheAir television broadcast, analog, digital and digital High Def. And it works with Cable Basic (and examples of those channels from Comcast), and Cable Basic High Def. Most people only know channels and their cable provider anyway. I've been following Jarod's HOWTO for the most part. I also have a decent amount of experience doing networked and automated installs, and I might be convinced to put the effort into figuring out how to condence the needed RPMS and/or repositories into a kickstart server. How do you look in front of head-lights? The other items that come to mind: - Does NHTI have a TV or two they can wheel in on a cart. I'd hate to block on only one TV to test if multiple people are finishing up and want to test TV out at the same time. Good idea. I think they have a few. I saw one up on a shelf in the same room. I can ask, and with enough notice we can bring in a few of different types (h, have to be careful of Saturday morning cartoon time). - Distribution of the 2 cable jacks. Do they have splitters (or better yet a cable distribution amp) so we can get cable to each of the workstations We can work this, but we thought that the cables would only have to be used for a relatively short time in testing. That's all my thoughts for the moment. I really think this is a great idea and hope we can pull it off and have it be a success. Good feedback and good ideas. I put two stars next to it to show feedback to incorporate. md ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org/
Re: Just hopped on the list... Bring on the MythTV installfest
On Fri, 2007-02-09 at 09:35 -0500, Jarod Wilson wrote: Hey all, Been meaning to join up on the mailing lists for a bit, and Heather stopping by my cube a few minutes ago, telling me about some MythTV installfest discussion going on, gave me the impetus to do it NOW. :) I'm reading over the thread now, should have some comments soon... One definite thing already though: I'm definitely game to join the fun here. Jarod, Welcome to the list. I think the biggest thing to do first is to agree to the strategy and then pick a card or two that would be the best card for this area, so people could order it if they did not have it. This would just be for the pilot at this time. Hopefully it would do the gambit from OTA SD to anything-less-than-encrypted-anything, have Open drivers, install very easily, do a great job. Any recommendation(s)? md ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org/
Re: Draft MythTV proposal and results of meeting with NHTI faculty and staff - March 3rd target for pilot
I second the nomination for pcHDTV's HD-5500. They are $129. each and we save $5. on each card with an order of two, and $10. on each card with 5 or more. Even with the bulk discounts, they're a little bit more than other cards that provide the same functionality (there's a kworld card that can be had for $80 or less, depending on rebates), but I forgot to mention one of the reasons that justifies this in my mind: pcHDTV builds their cards with Linux support being priority number one, and actually does work on the Linux drivers for them. Its not a card built with Windows in mind that someone else happened to be able to write Linux drivers for as well. I think with this effort we should be aiming toward long-term maintainability, quality and ease-of-upkeep for the end user as new versions of MythTV roll out. Lowest price should be a secondary consideration, at best. md ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org/
[OT Grumble] Re: Nice explanation of Digital vs analog OTA tuning
Important to note the distinction between an mpeg2 transport stream (mpeg2-ts) and an mpeg2 program stream (mpeg2-ps) here. I remember a time when you could just walk up to a TV and turn it on. And it would play. Maybe it would play with a 9 snowy black and white picture in a four-foot high floor-standing cabinet, but you did not have to spend hours trying to decide whether it should be digital or analog, SD or HD, encrypted or decrypted and what type of remote it needed (Hey Jon, you are closer, change the channel for me.) More and more I wonder if we will ever get to stage three of the MythTV install fest, where we open it up to the general public. maddog P.S. I also remember five bit baudot codes: http://home.austin.rr.com/kinghome/signpage/baudot.html Now we have unicodegrep that! P.P.S. Do I sound like a Dead Troll? ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org/
Re: [OT Grumble] Re: Nice explanation of Digital vs analog OTA tuning
Hey! When did you go from senior to elder! I'd thwack those young bucks 'upside the head, little whippersnappers... Not a handful of years maddog's junior, About five years ago I was in Dublin, trying to get into a historic church to see their museum. There was a small charge to get in, and the young person at the door (probably 18 or so) offered me the senior citizen's (65 or older) rate. I politely turned it down for three reasons: o I was only 52 at the time o I did not want to cheat a church, even if it was their fault o I did not want to take the chance of being struck down by lightening maddog ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org/
MythTV
Sterling, After much discussion, knashing of teeth, pulling of hair and other things, we decided to go with these two cards for the pilot of the event on March 3rd: 1) pcHDTV HD-5500 (www.pchdtv.com) 2) Hauppauge PVR-150 (http://www.hauppauge.com/pages/prods_pvr.html) The HD-5500 is a dual-mode digital and analog card, which works for OTA and cable HDTV, as well as digital cable SDTV and analog OTA or cable TV. The PVR-150 is analog-only, OTA and cable, and can also be fed input from a cable box or satellite box, if need be. Make sure you have the PVR-150 card, as it is rumored that Hauppauge has been putting HVR-1600 cards in PVR-150 boxes. I would really suggest the pcHDTV HD-5500 card, even though it is more expensive. It is designed by people mostly for the Linux market, and they work on the Linux drivers themselves. Finally, it is oriented toward the Digital TV of the future. As to the rest of the system that should be around it, we have been developing quite a wiki site at: http://wiki.gnhlug.org/twiki2/bin/view/Www/MythTV which goes into lots of information about it to the point where I just thought to myself: o 1 GB or more of memory o Fast CPU (not screaming, but fast) o NVidea card that has hardware assist for decoding o Two or more pcHDTV capture cards (two so you can be recording two programs at once) o Gbit ETHERNET, or at least 100Mbit o Lots of storage (probably be USB for me) o DVD-RW drive to do archiving, installation, data-transfer, etc. If you have Digital cable boxes at home and you have one that has a firewire connection, you may want to have a firewire port also. We also will be using both a Fedora based MythTV and a Knoppix one. maddog ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org/
Re: Draft MythTV proposal and results of meeting with NHTI faculty and staff - March 3rd target for pilot
I might try buying a PVR-150 at CompUSA and cross my fingers... -Shawn Shawn (et. al.), There are several reasons why we are doing this in stages: o We are all technical, and can understand when things go wrong o We have been following this, or working with this for a while, and we understand that things can go wrong. o We understand that we are going to do the best we can, but sometimes things go wrong. o Small groups allow more time to iron out wrinkles that happen in case things go wrong o I spent 16 years at Digital and I know that shit happens (i.e. things go wrong). o There once was a person named Murphy. So with all of that, if you (or anyone else in this pilot) wants to bring along some card or some slightly strange configuration, sit in the corner and try a concerted effort to make it work, we are all friends here. And, in fact, the more things we try in terms of configuration size and power, the more we can guide them. My findings, however, is that it is easier to take out memory from a system that has too much, overload a system that has too much CPU, turn off a second CPU to see what one will do, than to have to go in the opposite direction because you don't have enough. Later on, as we try to fit MomPop masses, we may find people who have made an investment of any type hoping to get a working Tivo on Steroids may not be as happy with us. That is why we have to be mean and tell them what to buy (within limits of Openness). I'm a little trepidation offering because I don't have a working MythTV box yet...but maybe between Jarod and I, we can collectively cover all each other's backs? And part of driving is simply being there to hold the wheel. Thank you for raising your hand. Warmest regards, md ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org/
pcHDTV card for MythTV for sale
Hi, I bought five pcHDTV HD-5500 cards for myself and two other people. So far four are taken, but the fifth one is available: Your cost would be 119.00 plus 3.00 shipping and handling = 122.00 per board. Normal price is 129.00 + 6.95 shipping and handling = 136.95 per board, a savings of 14.95, plus the hassle of ordering it. If I don't sell it now, I will probably sell it later, or be able to record two shows while watching a thirdwhatever. They have already shipped and are headed our way, be here in plenty of time for March 3rd. maddog ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org/
Someone already bought the MythTV card
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Someone already bought the MythTV card
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Request for another pool of pcHDTV MythTV cards
Hi, As you know the pilot for the installation of MythTV is approaching, and the people at NHTI are wondering if anyone would like to pool to order more cards. They have two sold, so need three more to make the highest quantity discount of five. I sent them email about the cards, but their mail server was down for the better part of a week (sound familiar?) and they did not get back to me in time for my order of five. They will need their answer ASAP so they can receive them by March 3rd. Your cost would be 119.00 plus (about) 3.00 shipping and handling = 122.00 per board. Normal price is 129.00 + 6.95 shipping and handling = 136.95 per board, a savings of 14.95 per board plus the hassle of ordering it. Please answer directly to Bill French [EMAIL PROTECTED] Regards, maddog Forwarded Message From: William French [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Maddog Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Sterling Hough [EMAIL PROTECTED], Harold Hart [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: HD-5500 card Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 09:30:04 -0500 Maddog, In looking at the HD-5500 card (pchdtv.com) I have decided that I want one. Sterling is talking like he might get into the game too. I was wondering if anyone was planning to be a central point for ordering to get up to the quan. 5 discount. Unfortunately, the purchasing system here at NHTI (State of NH) is not set up to allow quick orders for over $100, so we can't do it through the school. At the moment, I don't have a spare system to devote to Linux / mythTV, but where there is a will, there is away. My thinking was that if I got one ordered ASAP, It could be here for March 3, as we don't have atuner card for the system that Matt is going to find for us, and I could loan mine to the school short term, since I don't have a Linux box yet. Do you know if these cards are locally available at places like Best Buy and Circuit City? Thanks, Bill French ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org/
MythTV InstallFest 0.1 - The Big Day Approacheth AND MORE!
Date and Time: == Saturday, March 3rd, 10:00 A.M. Place: == InstallFest Location - NHTI Campus - Little Hall (Building K on map) - Lab Room 231 (second floor about half-way down the hallway) http://www.nhti.edu/welcome/directions.htm Things to bring: o Your system (obviously) o Some blank CD-Rs (or even better, CD-RW) or even DVD blanks o An external DVD burner, if you have one (Jarod, Ben, Maddog, Shawn all said they could bring one...I don't think we will need any more for only eight systems. o An idea of how you want this hooked up at home (OTA, Cable, what type of cable box you have, etc.) o Keyboards or mice or any type of special peripheral that might cause installation issues. o Notebook and pen for taking notes about what was done for your unit. Things not needed: == Monitors. I'm curious; do we have an attendance count? More or less. It looks like 7 builders with the potential of a few watchers. The room will not be full by a long shot. Other members of gnhlug-org are welcome to come along if they want. [Update: Shawn O'Shea is coming and bringing a system to install. There was clarification on the fact that the school (via Sterling Hough and Bill French) will be building one system and Mathew Lind is building another system, but the two school systems were already counted, so there is only one more system, being Shawn's] Is there a point-of-contact at NHTI we should mention if needed? Sterling Hough, the department head, but we will have room numbers, etc. before then. It was mentioned that windows might enable hanging an aerial for OTA reception. Does anyone have such an aerial, which they could bring? If not, should we procure one? OTA Feed - The school has a combo VHF/UHF antenna that seems to be able to pickup a couple of local stations Are there any group logistics problems we should tackle? I understand everyone is bringing their own Myth-box-to-be, and maddog has a brace of tuner cards he is selling, but what about shared infrastructure like: - CDs, DVDs, or other install media? - Any servers or network equipment we need to bring ourselves? - The usual misc stuff like network cables, coax cables, power cords, etc.? There are at most eight systems that I count being installed at this point: The Definites: maddog's Jarod's Mathew's Ben's Rob's Sterling and Bill's Shawn's and some that were not clear: Bill Sconce (to build or not to build) and one definitely not building: Ted Roach We can put these beside the systems already sitting on the lab tables and utilize their monitors, keyboards, mice, and power outlets/cords. We may want to bring some network cables and a switch to allow people to install off Jarod's server as well as the CD-ROMS. I think the school will have all the co-ax cable we need. I will bring some blank CD-ROMs and DVDs and we can always make a few. It takes my CD-Writer only about five minutes to make a CD, max. maddog =List of people and what they are bringing== maddog: -Aspire case -Athlon 64 4000+ -onboard digital audio -onboard firewire -onboard Gigibit NIC -onboard USB 2.0 -GeForce 6 series PCIe video (VGA, DVI, Component, SVid outs) -2GB memory -(3) 250GB hard drives -pcHDTV 5500 tuner card -PVR-150 SDTV tuner card w/hardware mpeg2 encoder and FM Radio -dvd burner (+-/RW and RAM) I will also be bringing an external USB/Firewire CD/DVD drive. I will also have two pcHDTV 3000 cards for sale (one never used, still in the box). Jarod Wilson: = I'll bring a box, but it already has everything on it -- which includes a pxe boot server, package trees, etc... I mostly plan on helping others, but in down time, I have a few things to work on... Shuttle cube, Athlon 64 2900, GeForce 6200 video (or possibly an XGI Volari, which I'm tinkering with now), 1GB RAM, onboard audio and NIC, Yuan MPG-600GR tuner card (will potentially bring along some others for fun). I'll have a CD/DVD burner with me, but we should also be able to do network installs with what I'm planning to bring. I'm also planning on bringing something that I've been working on this week...Basically, a custom Fedora 7-based installer that includes mythtv, all on a single CD. :) Mathew Lind: I plan on building a combined system. I know I'll probably be shooting myself in the foot on this one, but I already have a Tuner card that I will be using (PVR-350). Also, I do not know if Sterling passed on this link to the rest of the group: http://g-ding.tv/ MythDora is a Fedora Core based MythTV distro with an auto-installer similar to KnoppMyth. Bill Sconce: My plan is a) Be there to take notes, particularly on behalf of anyone trying to build a MythTV based on the LUG SuperMicro boards. b) Be there to help Alex, who is planning to build one of the LUG SuperMicro machines. c) MAYBE
[Fwd: RE: MythTV InstallFest 0.1 - The Big Day Approacheth - LUNCH]
Hi, Since our install fest will probably traverse the lunch hour, I asked Sterling Hough if the cafeteria will be open, and he has indicated that it will be open. The last time we were there, Bill Sconce and I had a very nice all you can eat buffet lunch for about $5.75 each, which is definitely less than you would spend at McDonalds or Subway, and the food was good and hot. Or you could bring your own sandwich and take advantage of the coffeepot across the hall from our installation room (please see Sterling's note below). Regards, maddog Forwarded Message From: Sterling Hough [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: MythTV InstallFest 0.1 - The Big Day Approacheth - LUNCH Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 11:30:57 -0500 maddog The cafeteria will be open on Saturday because school is still in session. The hours may be different on the weekend but it should be open for lunch, coffee, etc. Also, Bill French assures me that a coffee pot will be on in the conference room for our students which is just right across the hall from our lab. See you around 10AM this Saturday. Sterling Professor Sterling Hough Department Head - AGGP/BTT/CPET/EET New Hampshire Technical Institute -Original Message- From: Jon 'maddog' Hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 3:39 PM To: Sterling Hough Cc: Jon Hall Subject: MythTV InstallFest 0.1 - The Big Day Approacheth - LUNCH Sterling, Will the cafeteria be open that day, in case people get hungry? Thanks, maddog ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org/
[Fwd: MythTV InstallFest 0.1 - The Big Day Approacheth ]
David, The GNHLUG group has been formulating a MythTV (www.mythtv.org) installathon to be held over the next several months. We plan on helping people put together and install a Tivo(TM) on steroids for their homes. We are planning this in at least three steps: o a pilot session tomorrow, March 3rd, to see what works and what does not o a closed session in about one month for GNHLUG members and the faculty and students of NHTI (New Hampshire Technical Institute) o a session open to the public and free (but registration required) in about two months, assuming things work o.k. for the first two. I should have sent email to you earlier, but (like always) I forgot. If you wanted to show up at the pilot, you are welcome. And you are welcome to the second round of this, to be held either March 24th or (more probably) March 31st (a Saturday). You are also welcome to participate by building a system, if you wish. If you are interested, we would appreciate an article in the paper before our big public push, perhaps after we do the second installfest but before the third one. That would give you time to see what is going on, attend the second installfest, talk to some of the people that own these things and even get a picture or two. Then you would probably have a couple of weeks to finish an article and get it into the paper before the big event comes off. You have always been nice to us Linux folks, so I wanted to give you a heads up on this. Sorry I did not tell you about the pilot sooner, but it is going to be very small, and probably a bit disorganized. It would be much better for you to come to the next one that is bigger and much more disorganized. ;-) Warmest regards, maddog Forwarded Message From: Jon 'maddog' Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jon Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Harold Hart [EMAIL PROTECTED], gnhlug-org@gnhlug.org, Matt Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED], Bill French [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: MythTV InstallFest 0.1 - The Big Day Approacheth AND MORE! Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 15:31:08 -0500 Date and Time: == Saturday, March 3rd, 10:00 A.M. Place: == InstallFest Location - NHTI Campus - Little Hall (Building K on map) - Lab Room 231 (second floor about half-way down the hallway) http://www.nhti.edu/welcome/directions.htm Things to bring: o Your system (obviously) o Some blank CD-Rs (or even better, CD-RW) or even DVD blanks o An external DVD burner, if you have one (Jarod, Ben, Maddog, Shawn all said they could bring one...I don't think we will need any more for only eight systems. o An idea of how you want this hooked up at home (OTA, Cable, what type of cable box you have, etc.) o Keyboards or mice or any type of special peripheral that might cause installation issues. o Notebook and pen for taking notes about what was done for your unit. Things not needed: == Monitors. I'm curious; do we have an attendance count? More or less. It looks like 7 builders with the potential of a few watchers. The room will not be full by a long shot. Other members of gnhlug-org are welcome to come along if they want. [Update: Shawn O'Shea is coming and bringing a system to install. There was clarification on the fact that the school (via Sterling Hough and Bill French) will be building one system and Mathew Lind is building another system, but the two school systems were already counted, so there is only one more system, being Shawn's] Is there a point-of-contact at NHTI we should mention if needed? Sterling Hough, the department head, but we will have room numbers, etc. before then. It was mentioned that windows might enable hanging an aerial for OTA reception. Does anyone have such an aerial, which they could bring? If not, should we procure one? OTA Feed - The school has a combo VHF/UHF antenna that seems to be able to pickup a couple of local stations Are there any group logistics problems we should tackle? I understand everyone is bringing their own Myth-box-to-be, and maddog has a brace of tuner cards he is selling, but what about shared infrastructure like: - CDs, DVDs, or other install media? - Any servers or network equipment we need to bring ourselves? - The usual misc stuff like network cables, coax cables, power cords, etc.? There are at most eight systems that I count being installed at this point: The Definites: maddog's Jarod's Mathew's Ben's Rob's Sterling and Bill's Shawn's and some that were not clear: Bill Sconce (to build or not to build) and one definitely not building: Ted Roach We can put these beside the systems already sitting on the lab tables and utilize their monitors, keyboards, mice, and power outlets/cords. We may want to bring some network cables and a switch to allow people to install off Jarod's server as well as the CD-ROMS. I think the school will have all the co-ax cable
MythTV pilot tomorrow - final reminder
Date and Time: == Saturday, March 3rd, 10:00 A.M. Place: == InstallFest Location - NHTI Campus - Little Hall (Building K on map) - Lab Room 231 (second floor about half-way down the hallway) http://www.nhti.edu/welcome/directions.htm Things to bring: o Your system (obviously) o Some blank CD-Rs (or even better, CD-RW) or even DVD blanks o An external DVD burner, if you have one (Jarod, Maddog, Shawn all said they could bring one...I don't think we will need any more for only eight systems. o An idea of how you want this hooked up at home (OTA, Cable, what type of cable box you have, etc.) o Keyboards or mice or any type of special peripheral that might cause installation issues. o Notebook and pen for taking notes about what was done for your unit. Things not needed: == Monitors. ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org/
Re: FC6+MythTV disk space requirements
On Sat, 2007-03-03 at 18:20 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, at the pilot MythTV installfest today, we installed and got working a number of MythTV boxes. How much space did these installs end up consuming? What would we recommend as a minimal target partition size? (Assume recordings and RPM repositories/caches are sold separately.) The question you are asking is one of the ones that we will have to put together for the next stage of MythTV Installfest. Right now I think the answer lies between 42 and What in the world did you do with all those fish? If you want the answer right now, I suggest that you install Fedora Core 6 with all the things necessary for MythTV and anything else you would want to put in it, measure how much space is used, allow for some tmp and /usr/tmp and /var/spool space as well as a bit of space for patch and additional programs to be placed later on. Then you can re-install with a trimmed-down and lean filesystem with all the other space going to /storage md ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org/
MythTV Installfest Beta Announcement - March 31st: 10:00 A.M.
Hello, As people on this mailing list may know, we have been talking about having an installation fest for MythTV (www.mythtv.org), a piece of FOSS that allows your PC to act like a TV recorder, photo repository and music repository all in one. We have determined that a lot of people would like to do this, but it currently is fairly technical, has a fair number of decisions and issues that need to be discussed or learned, and as a do-it-yourself-in-the-isolation-of-your-own-home has caused grown men (and women) to gnash their teeth and rent their clothes, often taking more than three days (if ever) to get the installation right. Yesterday we had the .01 release of this MythTV Installation Fest held at The New Hampshire Technical Institute in Concord, New Hampshire. A full report on this will be coming out in the near future, but we believe that we learned a lot while at the same time getting some people completely through the installation process. We thankfully acknowledge the guidance, expertise and good humor of Jarod Wilson, and the facilities of the New Hampshire Technial Institute (NHTI). We are ready to move on to the Beta copy of this procedure, which will include recommended (if not required) hardware specifications, a recommended ^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h required software installation, and the name of your cable supplier. We will also be requiring a web-signup, which will not only help us schedule the time, but make sure that you understand the issues around this project, and that you bring the appropriate hardware and information. More on the requirements and needed information will be forthcoming. However, we have also decided to hold this Beta (open to GNHLUG members and NHTI students on a FCFS basis) on March 31st starting at 1000. I am telling you this now so those of you who are interested in participating at this (still early) stage may reserve March 31st for this effort. If this Beta is successful we will then try opening this up to the general public at a time following March 31st, probably by several weeks to allow time for final tweaking. We will also need time to advertise the offering and have sign-up. We anticipate that the lessons learned from yesterday's .01 event will greatly enhance both the success ratio and shorten the installation time of the software for the Beta on March 31st. I also anticipate that the lessons learned from both yesterday's .01 offering and this upcoming beta may allow us to generate steps to allow MythTV to become mainstream (or at least something that will not be a three-day marathon of frustration). If you are interested in participating in this next stage, please keep March 31st open, and await further details as they unfold. I anticipate that the next announcement will tell people the type of hardware we require, some places to buy that hardware if needed, and the availability of a sign-up sheet so people can indicate their desire to join in the Beta. Warmest regards, maddog ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org/
MythTV web signup page
Hi, I would like to have a web sign-up page for the gnhlug site that would include: o A pointer to the wiki for information o an acknowledgement that this is still a beta (and volunteer) effort and that while success is expected to be fairly good, shirts happen. o an acknowledgement that the person will be there on time and with the hardware all installed, an understanding that this system will be an appliance, and therefore will not be: o dual-booting o sharing its disks with Windows o sharing its disk(s) with some other version of Linux in other words, a bare machine, ready for an installation. That the machine meets minimum hardware requirements and that all of the hardware will be physically installed by the time that they get to the Beta site. o A sign-up form that would include the address, zip code and email of the registrant, along with the type of input that the person expects. OTA, Cable (and if so, what company), Firewire from cable box, etc.), card(s) expected to be used. Will someone on the .org list volunteer to do the web work of creating the input forms and database for this last bullet? We should probably start registration in a week or so in order to make the March 31st Beta time. If no one on this has the skills/time to do this, perhaps I can go out to the larger list and find someone. I would do it myself, but I am a web/html luddite. md ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org/
Re: MythTV Installfest Beta Announcement - March 31st: 10:00 A.M.
Greg, et. al., I've been reading the MythTV mailing list for several months and have been collecting components (and my thoughts). I'd be interested to know what your recommendations would be, particularly for the capture card (PCR-150?) and the output card (NVidia 5200 family??). Any discussion of audio (5.1 and no clue for a card but it would nice if it were bundled into one of the other cards). Are you expecting to use Fedora Core for the distribution? I've been using Ubuntu lately and have been impressed, but I think the MythTV list seems to prefer Fedora. We have been working on this MythTV installathon for some time on the gnhlug organizer's list. I sent out this first announcement to the greater list just to tell people what is going on, and to let them reserve the day of March 31st. All of these questions will be answered (and I can tell you that you are fairly close with your configuration thoughts), but I beg that the list wait for a couple of days for us to tally up the information that we got from the pilot, get the recommendations nailed down, and then send out the recommended systems, distributions, etc. I hope it will mean a better signal-to-noise ratio for the list. If people want to do something different, with different cards, etc. then we can consider that over time. But for right now let's look at an 2N problem rather than an N**2 problem. And of course if people want to discuss this endlessly on the discuss list in the meantime, that is what it is for (I guess), but I think it might be better if people wait a day or two to see what the recommendations are, and why. Warmest regards, maddog ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org/
