RE: General Ledger

[Leo Bolta]

Thanks for your comments Wm.  I actually purchased the 1882 bookkeeping text
book in a Value Village second hand store for just over $5.  Recently I also
purchased an old King James Bible from 1840's but when I consulted an
antique book dealer about these purchases he told me that they had no real
monetary value hence, I entered them in gnc as 'expense:books.  My
handwriting is so bad that I myself cannot read it so stick to printing by
caps only.


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Subject: Re: General Ledger

On 02/03/2018 16:22, Leo Bolta wrote:
> Not to keep the thread alive but these are photos of select pages of 
> the
> 1882 High School bookkeeping text book, I referred to earlier and 
> promised to distribute.  Several of the previous commenter's may have 
> been quite accurate in regards to the historical progression but these 
> pages are just for those who might be interested on how it was 
> expressed before the turn of the last century.

Thank you for sharing that.  Have you got the books under

Assets:Chattels:Books

in your gnc ? :)


 >  Also take note of the penmanship from the personal notes
> of the student included in the last attachment...today's penmanship is 
> a shame by comparison.

My father can write like that, I'd have been a failure if it wasn't for
computers by comparison.

>  My apologies for portions of text which are slightly blurred.

Don't apologise, I found it interesting, the slightly blurred bits didn't
spoil the view for me.

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Re: General Ledger

[Stan Brown]

On 2018-03-04 09:33, Geert Janssens wrote:
> Op zondag 4 maart 2018 15:09:35 CET schreef Stan Brown:
>> On 2018-03-03 09:54, Wm via gnucash-user wrote:
>>> On 03/03/2018 13:47, Stan Brown wrote:
 On 2018-03-02 13:47, Wm via gnucash-user wrote:
 There is a checkbox, "Save filter", in the filter-defining window.  What
 is that meant to do?
>
> It's meant to save the filter configuration such that when you reopen your 
> book at a later time, the same filter settings would be applied automatically 
> again to the General Journal. This works for all normal account registers, ut 
> for the General Ledger this was missed.
> 
>>
>> And if it's not doing what it's meant to, has a bug report been entered?
> 
> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=714708

Great -- thanks! It works for me as you describe it -- individual
account registers do stay with that filter if I tick the box, and
General Ledger does not.

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Stan Brown
Tompkins County, New York, USA
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http://OakRoadSystems.com
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Re: General Ledger

[Geert Janssens]

Op zondag 4 maart 2018 15:09:35 CET schreef Stan Brown:
> On 2018-03-03 09:54, Wm via gnucash-user wrote:
> > On 03/03/2018 13:47, Stan Brown wrote:
> >> On 2018-03-02 13:47, Wm via gnucash-user wrote:
> >> There is a checkbox, "Save filter", in the filter-defining window.  What
> >> is that meant to do?
> > 
> > I think what it is *meant* to do is fairly obvious and I may be wrong
> > but I don't think that is stored or saved.
> 
> What it's meant to do is not obvious to me, or I wouldn't have asked the
> question. Could you enlighten me, please?

It's meant to save the filter configuration such that when you reopen your 
book at a later time, the same filter settings would be applied automatically 
again to the General Journal. This works for all normal account registers, ut 
for the General Ledger this was missed.

> 
> And if it's not doing what it's meant to, has a bug report been entered?

https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=714708

Geert


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Re: General Ledger

[Stan Brown]

On 2018-03-03 09:54, Wm via gnucash-user wrote:
> On 03/03/2018 13:47, Stan Brown wrote:
>>
>> On 2018-03-02 13:47, Wm via gnucash-user wrote:
>> There is a checkbox, "Save filter", in the filter-defining window.  What
>> is that meant to do?
> 
> I think what it is *meant* to do is fairly obvious and I may be wrong
> but I don't think that is stored or saved.

What it's meant to do is not obvious to me, or I wouldn't have asked the
question. Could you enlighten me, please?

And if it's not doing what it's meant to, has a bug report been entered?

-- 
Regards,
Stan Brown
Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://BrownMath.com
http://OakRoadSystems.com

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Re: General Ledger

[Wm via gnucash-user]

On 03/03/2018 13:47, Stan Brown wrote:


On 2018-03-02 13:47, Wm via gnucash-user wrote:

On 23/02/2018 12:52, Adrien Monteleone wrote:

And unfortunately, this filter change is not sticky. You’ll have to
reset it each time you load the GL. This is already a filed bug.


AdrienM, it is not a bug if you have many years of tx, promise. I
like the narrow time window.

There is a checkbox, "Save filter", in the filter-defining window.  What
is that meant to do?


I think what it is *meant* to do is fairly obvious and I may be wrong 
but I don't think that is stored or saved.


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Re: General Ledger

[Wm via gnucash-user]

On 26/02/2018 18:16, Greg Feneis wrote:

I keep seeing this email subject line and imagine you guys are discussing a
lesser known war hero



Thank you, Mr Feneis, I'm not sure what this thread is really about 
either but commend your humour.


It doesn't really matter what the damn thing is called so long as you 
know what is in it and what it is for.


Remember: a good proportion of people will be seeing whatever it gets 
called in translation anyway so stop picking at the scab!


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Re: General Ledger

[Wm via gnucash-user]

On 02/03/2018 16:22, Leo Bolta wrote:

Not to keep the thread alive but these are photos of select pages of the
1882 High School bookkeeping text book, I referred to earlier and promised
to distribute.  Several of the previous commenter's may have been quite
accurate in regards to the historical progression but these pages are just
for those who might be interested on how it was expressed before the turn of
the last century. 


Thank you for sharing that.  Have you got the books under

Assets:Chattels:Books

in your gnc ? :)


>  Also take note of the penmanship from the personal notes

of the student included in the last attachment...today's penmanship is a
shame by comparison.


My father can write like that, I'd have been a failure if it wasn't for 
computers by comparison.



 My apologies for portions of text which are slightly
blurred.


Don't apologise, I found it interesting, the slightly blurred bits 
didn't spoil the view for me.


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Wm

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Re: General Ledger

[Adrien Monteleone]

It doesn’t work on this particular register, hence the bug report.

If I’m not mistaken, one of the bug comments even mentions this was an 
oversight when the dialog was updated some time ago.

Note, the bug isn’t that the date window is too small by default. The bug is 
that you can’t save your preference for it being a different time frame like 
you can on any other register.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Mar 3, 2018, at 7:47 AM, Stan Brown  wrote:
> 
> 
> On 2018-03-02 13:47, Wm via gnucash-user wrote:
>> On 23/02/2018 12:52, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
>>> And unfortunately, this filter change is not sticky. You’ll have to
>>> reset it each time you load the GL. This is already a filed bug.
>> 
>> AdrienM, it is not a bug if you have many years of tx, promise. I 
>> like the narrow time window.
> There is a checkbox, "Save filter", in the filter-defining window.  What
> is that meant to do?
> 
> -- 
> Regards,
> Stan Brown
> Tompkins County, New York, USA
> http://BrownMath.com
> http://OakRoadSystems.com
> 
> 
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Re: General Ledger

[Stan Brown]

On 2018-03-02 13:47, Wm via gnucash-user wrote:
> On 23/02/2018 12:52, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
>> And unfortunately, this filter change is not sticky. You’ll have to
>> reset it each time you load the GL. This is already a filed bug.
>
> AdrienM, it is not a bug if you have many years of tx, promise. I 
> like the narrow time window.
There is a checkbox, "Save filter", in the filter-defining window.  What
is that meant to do?

-- 
Regards,
Stan Brown
Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://BrownMath.com
http://OakRoadSystems.com


> 
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Re: General Ledger

[Wm via gnucash-user]

On 23/02/2018 21:52, Buddha Buck wrote:

I suspect that GnuCash terminology regarding journals and ledgers is
somewhat confused and non-standard.


yeah, they are convenience terms


My basic understanding of classical accounting is that transactions were
first entered into journals, and then posted into ledgers, one per account.
The collection of ledger books was the "general ledger", while the nominal
time-ordered collection of journal entries was the "general journal" (or
the "general journal" was the journal in which transactions which didn't
belong in the sales journal, purchase journal, etc were recorded).


that has varied between countries historically

in some it was
"everything goes in the big book and you pull out the sales"
and in others it was
"you enter everything in the sales book and then transfer it to the big 
book"


gnc and other transaction streams supersede those views.


In GnuCash terms, a classical account ledger would correspond to a GnuCash
account register. And the classic general journal would correspond to
GnuCash's general ledger. The classic general ledger might even be a
GnuCash book as a whole.


Depending on where you learned your accounting :)


I don't know what GnuCash is calling a general
journal.


C'mon GnuCash is a transaction stream application with a few tweaks.  It 
isn't calling anything.


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Re: General Ledger

[Wm via gnucash-user]

On 23/02/2018 12:52, Adrien Monteleone wrote:

And unfortunately, this filter change is not sticky. You’ll have to reset it 
each time you load the GL. This is already a filed bug.


AdrienM, it is not a bug if you have many years of tx, promise.  I like 
the narrow time window.


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Re: General Ledger

[Liz]

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 10:16:06 -0800
Greg Feneis  wrote:

> I keep seeing this email subject line and imagine you guys are
> discussing a lesser known war hero
> 
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Greg Feneis

Yes, he/she fought against Manuel Labour.

Liz
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Re: General Ledger

[Greg Feneis]

I keep seeing this email subject line and imagine you guys are discussing a
lesser known war hero


Kind regards,

Greg Feneis



On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 9:08 AM, Mike or Penny Novack <
stepbystepf...@dialup4less.com> wrote:

> On 2/26/2018 7:34 AM, Buddha Buck wrote:
>
>> It's not an Australian accounting thing, unless I managed to grab
>> Australian book out of my small-city upstate New York library system some
>> 30 years ago...
>>
>> Or me, more like 50 years ago, and the books would have been my dad's
> from a generation earlier than that.
>
> Michael
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Re: General Ledger

[Dale Alspach]

The reference I have distinguishes journal from ledger based on entry
time and purpose. A journal is a historical record of first entry of
complete transactions (splits, notes, etc.). A ledger is a final or
secondary record of changes to an account.

The term general journal seems to have two uses. In a small business
every transaction would be entered in time order in the general journal.
In a larger enterprise there may be many special journals (sales,
purchases, etc.) and the general journal would be for entries not in a
special journal.

As Michael Novak pointed out these notions originate in paper accounting
and for small business and personal accounting may not have much use.
With an electronic system such as gnucash and only one book the system
is ledger oriented. One can see the journal entries affecting one
account by selecting Transaction Journal under View. The General Ledger
under Tools shows what is like a journal except that some history is
lost because the entries may be changed without the use of a correcting
journal entry. With that in mind and the distinction noted above, this
seems to be a general ledger rather than a general journal unless one
uses strict accounting practice (once a transaction is entered it is
forever; the effect is changed by a new correcting transaction.) Some
transaction oriented systems have an audit trail which is equivalent to
a general journal.

Dale

On 02/26/2018 09:08 AM, Leo Bolta wrote:
> I never majored in accounting but I can still remember "General Journal"
> being a standard term often used in Canadian high school accounting about 50
> years ago.  Recently I picked up an Ontario, Canada bookkeeping text book
> from 1882.  It makes a distinction between what are called "Day Books,
> Journals and Ledgers".  I'll try to photograph some relative pages in the
> next few days and attach them in a post.
> Leo
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: gnucash-user
> [mailto:gnucash-user-bounces+lbolta=rogers@gnucash.org] On Behalf Of
> Buddha Buck
> Sent: February-26-18 7:34 AM
> To: elvis
> Cc: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
> Subject: Re: General Ledger
> 
> It's not an Australian accounting thing, unless I managed to grab Australian
> book out of my small-city upstate New York library system some 30 years
> ago...
> 
> 
> On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 5:38 AM elvis <el...@dogonfire.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 25/02/18 07:54, Dave H wrote:
>>> Well from my point of view that is confusing.  Nobody in my world 
>>> refers
>> to
>>> a "General Journal" we refer to the "General Ledger" and we do 
>>> journals
>>> :-)  I've never actually heard the term general journal used 
>>> anywhere before until this discussion over the weekend !!!
>>
>> You weren't in my accounting class where we got the use of the general 
>> journal beaten into us :-) I can still remember it 30 years later. 
>> Maybe it's an Australian accounting thing.
>>> Cheers Dave H.
>>>
>>> On 24 February 2018 at 19:58, Geert Janssens 
>>> <geert.gnuc...@kobaltwit.be
>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
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Re: General Ledger

[Adrien Monteleone]

Everyone is correct.

It’s a matter of perspective.

I too was taught ‘General Journal’. The ‘Ledger’ was step 2.

But our textbooks, and likely the focus of any accounting class, were primarily 
for *business* and from the perspective of a larger corporation or what we 
would distinguish today as an ‘enterprise', not small/medium business, not a 
mom & pop or an individual. (the same goes for econ classes by the way)

So the terminology taught to us makes perfect sense from the perspective of the 
‘main books’ of said enterprise. I’d bet the intro or the first chapter even 
qualifies the text accordingly.


Regards,
Adrien

> On Feb 26, 2018, at 6:34 AM, Buddha Buck  wrote:
> 
> It's not an Australian accounting thing, unless I managed to grab
> Australian book out of my small-city upstate New York library system some
> 30 years ago...
> 
> 
> On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 5:38 AM elvis  wrote:
> 
>> On 25/02/18 07:54, Dave H wrote:
>>> Well from my point of view that is confusing.  Nobody in my world refers
>> to
>>> a "General Journal" we refer to the "General Ledger" and we do journals
>>> :-)  I've never actually heard the term general journal used anywhere
>>> before until this discussion over the weekend !!!
>> 
>> You weren't in my accounting class where we got the use of the general
>> journal beaten into us :-) I can still remember it 30 years later. Maybe
>> it's an Australian accounting thing.
>>> Cheers Dave H.
>>> 
>>> On 24 February 2018 at 19:58, Geert Janssens >> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
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RE: General Ledger

[Leo Bolta]

I never majored in accounting but I can still remember "General Journal"
being a standard term often used in Canadian high school accounting about 50
years ago.  Recently I picked up an Ontario, Canada bookkeeping text book
from 1882.  It makes a distinction between what are called "Day Books,
Journals and Ledgers".  I'll try to photograph some relative pages in the
next few days and attach them in a post.
Leo

-Original Message-
From: gnucash-user
[mailto:gnucash-user-bounces+lbolta=rogers@gnucash.org] On Behalf Of
Buddha Buck
Sent: February-26-18 7:34 AM
To: elvis
Cc: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Subject: Re: General Ledger

It's not an Australian accounting thing, unless I managed to grab Australian
book out of my small-city upstate New York library system some 30 years
ago...


On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 5:38 AM elvis <el...@dogonfire.com> wrote:

> On 25/02/18 07:54, Dave H wrote:
> > Well from my point of view that is confusing.  Nobody in my world 
> > refers
> to
> > a "General Journal" we refer to the "General Ledger" and we do 
> > journals
> > :-)  I've never actually heard the term general journal used 
> > anywhere before until this discussion over the weekend !!!
>
> You weren't in my accounting class where we got the use of the general 
> journal beaten into us :-) I can still remember it 30 years later. 
> Maybe it's an Australian accounting thing.
> > Cheers Dave H.
> >
> > On 24 February 2018 at 19:58, Geert Janssens 
> > <geert.gnuc...@kobaltwit.be
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> >
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Re: General Ledger

[elvis]

On 25/02/18 07:54, Dave H wrote:

Well from my point of view that is confusing.  Nobody in my world refers to
a "General Journal" we refer to the "General Ledger" and we do journals
:-)  I've never actually heard the term general journal used anywhere
before until this discussion over the weekend !!!


You weren't in my accounting class where we got the use of the general 
journal beaten into us :-) I can still remember it 30 years later. Maybe 
it's an Australian accounting thing.

Cheers Dave H.

On 24 February 2018 at 19:58, Geert Janssens 
wrote:




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Re: General Ledger

[Mike or Penny Novack]

On 2/25/2018 2:06 PM, Dave H wrote:

Thanks for explaining the distinction Michael.

So I take from all this that the General Journal/General Ledger 
distinction is an historical distinction no longer in real use with 
the advent of computerised accounting software.


No, that wasn't quite what I said. Look at it again.

Even with computerized accounting software might want/need this 
distinction. Might WANT the books partitioned.


For example, in an enterprise of some size (not all that big) you MIGHT 
want (for example)
a) The office manager to have a small fund (petty cash) for things it 
was decided could just be purchased without going through the purchasing 
department.
b) Each sales location to be entering individual sales with only the 
daily totals going to main books.

etc.
Not JUST reducing the work load on the main enterprise bookkeeper. Not 
JUST reducing clutter and unnecessary detail in the main books. Not JUST 
that lower level employees can lack access to look at more than they 
need to (do you want EVERYBODY who needs access to be able to enter data 
to look at, for example, payroll to see what somebody else is getting 
paid. Note that with something like that reduced risk that the office 
manager or somebody in a sales office, etc. could do more than limited 
embezzlement on their own.


Michael D Novack
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Re: General Ledger

[Dave H]

Thanks for explaining the distinction Michael.

So I take from all this that the General Journal/General Ledger distinction
is an historical distinction no longer in real use with the advent of
computerised accounting software.  It still doesn't explain for me why the
intent is to rename everything that says General Ledger to General Journal
when General Ledger appears to be the more widely used terminology, at
least in my world.  I work in a large organisation with multiple branches
and many system users having a large Finance Section using dedicated
financial software who will only refer to the "General Ledger", hence my
confusion :-)

Cheers Dave H.


On 26 February 2018 at 02:34, Mike or Penny Novack <
stepbystepf...@dialup4less.com> wrote:

> On 2/24/2018 4:54 PM, Dave H wrote:
>
>> Well from my point of view that is confusing.  Nobody in my world refers
>> to
>> a "General Journal" we refer to the "General Ledger" and we do journals
>> :-)  I've never actually heard the term general journal used anywhere
>> before until this discussion over the weekend !!!
>>
>> Cheers Dave H.
>>
>
> Old time distinction (not that long ago, within my lifetime)
>
> In the really old days (hundreds of years ago) there would be just one
> journal into which all transactions of the enterprise would have been
> entered in chronological order. But as enterprises grew in size and
> complexity, this became burdensome. Can you imagine a merchant enterprise
> that might have thousands of sales a day (perhaps spread over a dozen
> stores). How could some poor bookkeeper get those entered into a single
> journal.
>
> Imagine a solution where at each store was a journal to record the sales
> transaction (a subsidiary journal) while at company headquarters a main
> journal maintained by the company bookkeeper. Call that journal the
> "general journal". So at the agreed time interval (every day, every week,
> etc.) the bookkeeper at each store would transmit a single transaction to
> headquarters (total receipts, total sales) and the head bookkeeper would
> enter those transactions into the "general journal". Things like "petty
> cash" might have their own journal (and ledger) and once a month a
> transaction to "general journal" to the totals of each account and the
> replenishment of cash. Notice that this also allowed restriction of access
> to the main books. The clerks in each store only could access the local
> books.
>
> The term "general journal" (and "general ledger") refer to the MAIN books.
> The confusion for you is that most of us using gnucash are doing so for
> small enough enterprises that we don't need to partition the books this
> way. The only ledger IS the "general ledger" (no subsidiary ledgers) and
> the journal is virtual in any case. We do enter the transaction (and then
> post it) but in effect enter it on already posted form in the ledger an the
> computer can figure out what would have been the journal entry that
> resulted in this. The developers COULD have chosen to have us enter
> transactions into a journal and have the computer auto post those to the
> ledger, but most of us would have found that less direct in terms of
> looking at stuff.
>
> BUT (and this is an important but) perhaps many who are asking for
> "multiple people simultaneously accessing gnucash books" are doing so
> because "too much work for one person" don't know the history, how this WAS
> handled with subsidiary books and gnucash could easily handle it that way.
> With the added benefits that the "local bookkeepers" (the clerks in the
> stores, etc.) can enter the transactions without having access to the main
> books and that main books can avoid the clutter of unnecessary details.
>
> Michael D Novack
>
> Michael D Novack
>
>
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Re: General Ledger

[Mike or Penny Novack]

On 2/24/2018 4:54 PM, Dave H wrote:

Well from my point of view that is confusing.  Nobody in my world refers to
a "General Journal" we refer to the "General Ledger" and we do journals
:-)  I've never actually heard the term general journal used anywhere
before until this discussion over the weekend !!!

Cheers Dave H.


Old time distinction (not that long ago, within my lifetime)

In the really old days (hundreds of years ago) there would be just one 
journal into which all transactions of the enterprise would have been 
entered in chronological order. But as enterprises grew in size and 
complexity, this became burdensome. Can you imagine a merchant 
enterprise that might have thousands of sales a day (perhaps spread over 
a dozen stores). How could some poor bookkeeper get those entered into a 
single journal.


Imagine a solution where at each store was a journal to record the sales 
transaction (a subsidiary journal) while at company headquarters a main 
journal maintained by the company bookkeeper. Call that journal the 
"general journal". So at the agreed time interval (every day, every 
week, etc.) the bookkeeper at each store would transmit a single 
transaction to headquarters (total receipts, total sales) and the head 
bookkeeper would enter those transactions into the "general journal". 
Things like "petty cash" might have their own journal (and ledger) and 
once a month a transaction to "general journal" to the totals of each 
account and the replenishment of cash. Notice that this also allowed 
restriction of access to the main books. The clerks in each store only 
could access the local books.


The term "general journal" (and "general ledger") refer to the MAIN 
books. The confusion for you is that most of us using gnucash are doing 
so for small enough enterprises that we don't need to partition the 
books this way. The only ledger IS the "general ledger" (no subsidiary 
ledgers) and the journal is virtual in any case. We do enter the 
transaction (and then post it) but in effect enter it on already posted 
form in the ledger an the computer can figure out what would have been 
the journal entry that resulted in this. The developers COULD have 
chosen to have us enter transactions into a journal and have the 
computer auto post those to the ledger, but most of us would have found 
that less direct in terms of looking at stuff.


BUT (and this is an important but) perhaps many who are asking for 
"multiple people simultaneously accessing gnucash books" are doing so 
because "too much work for one person" don't know the history, how this 
WAS handled with subsidiary books and gnucash could easily handle it 
that way. With the added benefits that the "local bookkeepers" (the 
clerks in the stores, etc.) can enter the transactions without having 
access to the main books and that main books can avoid the clutter of 
unnecessary details.


Michael D Novack

Michael D Novack


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Re: General Ledger

[Dave H]

Well from my point of view that is confusing.  Nobody in my world refers to
a "General Journal" we refer to the "General Ledger" and we do journals
:-)  I've never actually heard the term general journal used anywhere
before until this discussion over the weekend !!!

Cheers Dave H.

On 24 February 2018 at 19:58, Geert Janssens 
wrote:

> Op zaterdag 24 februari 2018 00:46:07 CET schreef David Carlson:
> > This thread seems like deja vu to me.  I thought this was discussed
> before
> > and the result was that GnuCash changed the name of one or the other in
> > release 2.6.18 or thereabouts.
> >
> > Am I dreaming?
> >
> > David C
> >
>
> You're not dreaming. This has been discussed before and there was even a
> bugreport for it:
> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122895
>
> I have personally applied all the required changes to use "General Journal"
> consistently in GnuCash. This fix was applied in February 2015. However as
> this affected many translatable strings, I decided back then to fix this
> only
> on master (to become 3.0 soon). So gnucash 2.6 will still use the term
> "General Ledger".
>
> And looking further I have found I then mixed things up in October 2015:
> after
> some discussion I have started changing the term in the stable
> documentation
> as well (2.6.x). So we're now in the unfortunate situation the application
> still uses the term General Ledger and the associated documentation uses
> the
> term General Journal.
>
> I have reverted these unintended corrections on the 2.6 documentation so
> the
> last 2.6.x release will still consistently use the old "General Ledger"
> term
> and 3.0 will consistently switch to "General Journal".
>
> Sorry for the confusion this created.
>
> Regards,
>
> Geert
>
> > On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 3:52 PM, Buddha Buck 
> wrote:
> > > I suspect that GnuCash terminology regarding journals and ledgers is
> > > somewhat confused and non-standard.
> > >
> > > My basic understanding of classical accounting is that transactions
> were
> > > first entered into journals, and then posted into ledgers, one per
> > > account.
> > > The collection of ledger books was the "general ledger", while the
> nominal
> > > time-ordered collection of journal entries was the "general journal"
> (or
> > > the "general journal" was the journal in which transactions which
> didn't
> > > belong in the sales journal, purchase journal, etc were recorded).
> > >
> > > In GnuCash terms, a classical account ledger would correspond to a
> GnuCash
> > > account register. And the classic general journal would correspond to
> > > GnuCash's general ledger. The classic general ledger might even be a
> > > GnuCash book as a whole. I don't know what GnuCash is calling a general
> > > journal.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 1:43 PM Adrien Monteleone <
> > >
> > > adrien.montele...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Stan,
> > > >
> > > > No I knew you were referring to the Ledger and I think David did also
> > > > though he linked to the help on the Journal.
> > > >
> > > > Unfortunately, it seems the Help file needs a tweak. (or the
> software)
> > >
> > > The
> > >
> > > > link he gives describes in fact, the General Ledger. The terminology
> on
> > >
> > > the
> > >
> > > > title and within the help article are inconsistent with the naming in
> > > > the
> > > > software. (though Journal is probably the more historically correct
> > > > term,
> > > > the two might be interchangeable)
> > > >
> > > > In the software, the General Journal is a report you can run that
> shows
> > > > ALL transactions. (under the Assets & Liabilities sub-menu) You can’t
> > >
> > > enter
> > >
> > > > anything into it. There is no date selector in the options, and the
> > >
> > > Filter
> > >
> > > > By… in View is not available.
> > > >
> > > > Since I don’t close books I see everything when I look at either.
> > > > Perhaps
> > > > someone who uses that procedure might see only the current accounting
> > > > period - I’m not sure.
> > > >
> > > > To add to the confusion, there is also a General Ledger report
> located
> > > > in
> > > > that same menu. However, it seems to be the same as the Transaction
> > >
> > > Report
> > >
> > > > and is much more versatile than the General Journal report.
> > > >
> > > > For the record, I don’t see any separate ‘tool’ or ‘register’ called
> > > > General Journal at least not in my copy of 2.6.19.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Adrien
> > > >
> > > > > On Feb 23, 2018, at 9:42 AM, Stan Brown <
> the_stan_br...@fastmail.fm>
> > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Thanks, Adrien.
> > > > >
> > > > > Please note that I asked about the general ledger, not the general
> > > >
> > > > journal, but I see that the filter works the same way (now that I
> know
> > > > to
> > > > try it).
> > > >
> > > > > As the documentation mentions only the general journal, maybe "and
> > > >
> > > > general ledger" should be 

Re: General Ledger

[Geert Janssens]

Op zaterdag 24 februari 2018 00:46:07 CET schreef David Carlson:
> This thread seems like deja vu to me.  I thought this was discussed before
> and the result was that GnuCash changed the name of one or the other in
> release 2.6.18 or thereabouts.
> 
> Am I dreaming?
> 
> David C
> 

You're not dreaming. This has been discussed before and there was even a 
bugreport for it:
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122895

I have personally applied all the required changes to use "General Journal" 
consistently in GnuCash. This fix was applied in February 2015. However as 
this affected many translatable strings, I decided back then to fix this only 
on master (to become 3.0 soon). So gnucash 2.6 will still use the term 
"General Ledger".

And looking further I have found I then mixed things up in October 2015: after 
some discussion I have started changing the term in the stable documentation 
as well (2.6.x). So we're now in the unfortunate situation the application 
still uses the term General Ledger and the associated documentation uses the 
term General Journal.

I have reverted these unintended corrections on the 2.6 documentation so the 
last 2.6.x release will still consistently use the old "General Ledger" term 
and 3.0 will consistently switch to "General Journal".

Sorry for the confusion this created.

Regards,

Geert

> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 3:52 PM, Buddha Buck  wrote:
> > I suspect that GnuCash terminology regarding journals and ledgers is
> > somewhat confused and non-standard.
> > 
> > My basic understanding of classical accounting is that transactions were
> > first entered into journals, and then posted into ledgers, one per
> > account.
> > The collection of ledger books was the "general ledger", while the nominal
> > time-ordered collection of journal entries was the "general journal" (or
> > the "general journal" was the journal in which transactions which didn't
> > belong in the sales journal, purchase journal, etc were recorded).
> > 
> > In GnuCash terms, a classical account ledger would correspond to a GnuCash
> > account register. And the classic general journal would correspond to
> > GnuCash's general ledger. The classic general ledger might even be a
> > GnuCash book as a whole. I don't know what GnuCash is calling a general
> > journal.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 1:43 PM Adrien Monteleone <
> > 
> > adrien.montele...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Stan,
> > > 
> > > No I knew you were referring to the Ledger and I think David did also
> > > though he linked to the help on the Journal.
> > > 
> > > Unfortunately, it seems the Help file needs a tweak. (or the software)
> > 
> > The
> > 
> > > link he gives describes in fact, the General Ledger. The terminology on
> > 
> > the
> > 
> > > title and within the help article are inconsistent with the naming in
> > > the
> > > software. (though Journal is probably the more historically correct
> > > term,
> > > the two might be interchangeable)
> > > 
> > > In the software, the General Journal is a report you can run that shows
> > > ALL transactions. (under the Assets & Liabilities sub-menu) You can’t
> > 
> > enter
> > 
> > > anything into it. There is no date selector in the options, and the
> > 
> > Filter
> > 
> > > By… in View is not available.
> > > 
> > > Since I don’t close books I see everything when I look at either.
> > > Perhaps
> > > someone who uses that procedure might see only the current accounting
> > > period - I’m not sure.
> > > 
> > > To add to the confusion, there is also a General Ledger report located
> > > in
> > > that same menu. However, it seems to be the same as the Transaction
> > 
> > Report
> > 
> > > and is much more versatile than the General Journal report.
> > > 
> > > For the record, I don’t see any separate ‘tool’ or ‘register’ called
> > > General Journal at least not in my copy of 2.6.19.
> > > 
> > > Regards,
> > > Adrien
> > > 
> > > > On Feb 23, 2018, at 9:42 AM, Stan Brown 
> > > 
> > > wrote:
> > > > Thanks, Adrien.
> > > > 
> > > > Please note that I asked about the general ledger, not the general
> > > 
> > > journal, but I see that the filter works the same way (now that I know
> > > to
> > > try it).
> > > 
> > > > As the documentation mentions only the general journal, maybe "and
> > > 
> > > general ledger" should be added, for the benefit of folks who are
> > 
> > searching
> > 
> > > for it?
> > > 
> > > > --
> > > > Stan Brown
> > > > the_stan_br...@fastmail.fm
> > > > http://BrownMath.com
> > > > http://OakRoadSystems.com/
> > > > 
> > > > On Fri, Feb 23, 2018, at 7:52 AM, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
> > > >> And unfortunately, this filter change is not sticky. You’ll have to
> > > >> reset it each time you load the GL. This is already a filed bug.
> > > >> 
> > > >>> On Feb 23, 2018, at 5:47 AM, David T. via gnucash-user <
> > > 
> > > gnucash-user@gnucash.org> wrote:
> > > >>> "The General Journal defaults 

Re: General Ledger

[David Carlson]

This thread seems like deja vu to me.  I thought this was discussed before
and the result was that GnuCash changed the name of one or the other in
release 2.6.18 or thereabouts.

Am I dreaming?

David C

On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 3:52 PM, Buddha Buck  wrote:

> I suspect that GnuCash terminology regarding journals and ledgers is
> somewhat confused and non-standard.
>
> My basic understanding of classical accounting is that transactions were
> first entered into journals, and then posted into ledgers, one per account.
> The collection of ledger books was the "general ledger", while the nominal
> time-ordered collection of journal entries was the "general journal" (or
> the "general journal" was the journal in which transactions which didn't
> belong in the sales journal, purchase journal, etc were recorded).
>
> In GnuCash terms, a classical account ledger would correspond to a GnuCash
> account register. And the classic general journal would correspond to
> GnuCash's general ledger. The classic general ledger might even be a
> GnuCash book as a whole. I don't know what GnuCash is calling a general
> journal.
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 1:43 PM Adrien Monteleone <
> adrien.montele...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Stan,
> >
> > No I knew you were referring to the Ledger and I think David did also
> > though he linked to the help on the Journal.
> >
> > Unfortunately, it seems the Help file needs a tweak. (or the software)
> The
> > link he gives describes in fact, the General Ledger. The terminology on
> the
> > title and within the help article are inconsistent with the naming in the
> > software. (though Journal is probably the more historically correct term,
> > the two might be interchangeable)
> >
> > In the software, the General Journal is a report you can run that shows
> > ALL transactions. (under the Assets & Liabilities sub-menu) You can’t
> enter
> > anything into it. There is no date selector in the options, and the
> Filter
> > By… in View is not available.
> >
> > Since I don’t close books I see everything when I look at either. Perhaps
> > someone who uses that procedure might see only the current accounting
> > period - I’m not sure.
> >
> > To add to the confusion, there is also a General Ledger report located in
> > that same menu. However, it seems to be the same as the Transaction
> Report
> > and is much more versatile than the General Journal report.
> >
> > For the record, I don’t see any separate ‘tool’ or ‘register’ called
> > General Journal at least not in my copy of 2.6.19.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Adrien
> >
> > > On Feb 23, 2018, at 9:42 AM, Stan Brown 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks, Adrien.
> > >
> > > Please note that I asked about the general ledger, not the general
> > journal, but I see that the filter works the same way (now that I know to
> > try it).
> > >
> > > As the documentation mentions only the general journal, maybe "and
> > general ledger" should be added, for the benefit of folks who are
> searching
> > for it?
> > >
> > > --
> > > Stan Brown
> > > the_stan_br...@fastmail.fm
> > > http://BrownMath.com
> > > http://OakRoadSystems.com/
> > >
> > > On Fri, Feb 23, 2018, at 7:52 AM, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
> > >> And unfortunately, this filter change is not sticky. You’ll have to
> > >> reset it each time you load the GL. This is already a filed bug.
> > >>
> > >>> On Feb 23, 2018, at 5:47 AM, David T. via gnucash-user <
> > gnucash-user@gnucash.org> wrote:
> > >>> "The General Journal defaults to showing only the previous month of
> > transactions. This is changeable by using the "Filter By..." on the View
> > menu."
> > >>>
> >  On Feb 23, 2018, at 4:27 PM, Stan Brown  >
> > wrote:
> > 
> >  There doesn't seem to be any documentation of Tools » General
> Ledger,
> >  neither in the Help Manual nor in the Concepts Tutorial. (I couldn't
> >  find an answer in the FAQ or Using GnuCash either.)
> > 
> >  I have transactions entered from 2017-12-31 though 2018-01-31. But
> for
> >  some reason, the General Ledger shows only 2018-01-23 through
> >  2018-01-31. ...
> > 
> >  Please note: I'm talking about the General Ledger _tool_, not the
> >  report. I want the ability to correct transactions that I get in the
> > tool.
> > >
> >
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Re: General Ledger

[Adrien Monteleone]

Stan,

No I knew you were referring to the Ledger and I think David did also though he 
linked to the help on the Journal.

Unfortunately, it seems the Help file needs a tweak. (or the software) The link 
he gives describes in fact, the General Ledger. The terminology on the title 
and within the help article are inconsistent with the naming in the software. 
(though Journal is probably the more historically correct term, the two might 
be interchangeable)

In the software, the General Journal is a report you can run that shows ALL 
transactions. (under the Assets & Liabilities sub-menu) You can’t enter 
anything into it. There is no date selector in the options, and the Filter By… 
in View is not available.

Since I don’t close books I see everything when I look at either. Perhaps 
someone who uses that procedure might see only the current accounting period - 
I’m not sure.

To add to the confusion, there is also a General Ledger report located in that 
same menu. However, it seems to be the same as the Transaction Report and is 
much more versatile than the General Journal report.

For the record, I don’t see any separate ‘tool’ or ‘register’ called General 
Journal at least not in my copy of 2.6.19.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Feb 23, 2018, at 9:42 AM, Stan Brown  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Adrien.
> 
> Please note that I asked about the general ledger, not the general journal, 
> but I see that the filter works the same way (now that I know to try it). 
> 
> As the documentation mentions only the general journal, maybe "and general 
> ledger" should be added, for the benefit of folks who are searching for it?
> 
> -- 
> Stan Brown
> the_stan_br...@fastmail.fm
> http://BrownMath.com
> http://OakRoadSystems.com/
> 
> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018, at 7:52 AM, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
>> And unfortunately, this filter change is not sticky. You’ll have to 
>> reset it each time you load the GL. This is already a filed bug.
>> 
>>> On Feb 23, 2018, at 5:47 AM, David T. via gnucash-user 
>>>  wrote:
>>> "The General Journal defaults to showing only the previous month of 
>>> transactions. This is changeable by using the "Filter By..." on the View 
>>> menu."
>>> 
 On Feb 23, 2018, at 4:27 PM, Stan Brown  wrote:
 
 There doesn't seem to be any documentation of Tools » General Ledger,
 neither in the Help Manual nor in the Concepts Tutorial. (I couldn't
 find an answer in the FAQ or Using GnuCash either.)
 
 I have transactions entered from 2017-12-31 though 2018-01-31. But for
 some reason, the General Ledger shows only 2018-01-23 through
 2018-01-31. ...
 
 Please note: I'm talking about the General Ledger _tool_, not the
 report. I want the ability to correct transactions that I get in the tool.
> 

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Re: General Ledger

[Stan Brown]

Thanks, Adrien.

Please note that I asked about the general ledger, not the general journal, but 
I see that the filter works the same way (now that I know to try it). 

As the documentation mentions only the general journal, maybe "and general 
ledger" should be added, for the benefit of folks who are searching for it?

-- 
Stan Brown
the_stan_br...@fastmail.fm
http://BrownMath.com
http://OakRoadSystems.com/

On Fri, Feb 23, 2018, at 7:52 AM, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
> And unfortunately, this filter change is not sticky. You’ll have to 
> reset it each time you load the GL. This is already a filed bug.
> 
> > On Feb 23, 2018, at 5:47 AM, David T. via gnucash-user 
> >  wrote:
> > "The General Journal defaults to showing only the previous month of 
> > transactions. This is changeable by using the "Filter By..." on the View 
> > menu."
> > 
> >> On Feb 23, 2018, at 4:27 PM, Stan Brown  wrote:
> >> 
> >> There doesn't seem to be any documentation of Tools » General Ledger,
> >> neither in the Help Manual nor in the Concepts Tutorial. (I couldn't
> >> find an answer in the FAQ or Using GnuCash either.)
> >> 
> >> I have transactions entered from 2017-12-31 though 2018-01-31. But for
> >> some reason, the General Ledger shows only 2018-01-23 through
> >> 2018-01-31. ...
> >> 
> >> Please note: I'm talking about the General Ledger _tool_, not the
> >> report. I want the ability to correct transactions that I get in the tool.

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Re: General Ledger

[Adrien Monteleone]

And unfortunately, this filter change is not sticky. You’ll have to reset it 
each time you load the GL. This is already a filed bug.


> On Feb 23, 2018, at 5:47 AM, David T. via gnucash-user 
>  wrote:
> 
> Try https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v2.6/C/gnucash-help/general-journal.html 
> 
> 
> "The General Journal defaults to showing only the previous month of 
> transactions. This is changeable by using the "Filter By..." on the View 
> menu."
> 
>> On Feb 23, 2018, at 4:27 PM, Stan Brown  wrote:
>> 
>> There doesn't seem to be any documentation of Tools » General Ledger,
>> neither in the Help Manual nor in the Concepts Tutorial. (I couldn't
>> find an answer in the FAQ or Using GnuCash either.)
>> 
>> I have transactions entered from 2017-12-31 though 2018-01-31. But for
>> some reason, the General Ledger shows only 2018-01-23 through
>> 2018-01-31. I know that earlier transactions are there, because I can
>> get to them from the Accounts register. But I want the nice overview
>> that the General Ledger tool provides. How can I unlock its date range?
>> There doesn't seem to be anything in Preferences.
>> 
>> Please note: I'm talking about the General Ledger _tool_, not the
>> report. I want the ability to correct transactions that I get in the tool.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Regards,
>> Stan Brown
>> Tompkins County, New York, USA
>> http://BrownMath.com
>> http://OakRoadSystems.com
>> 
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Re: General Ledger

[David T. via gnucash-user]

Try https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v2.6/C/gnucash-help/general-journal.html 


"The General Journal defaults to showing only the previous month of 
transactions. This is changeable by using the "Filter By..." on the View menu."

> On Feb 23, 2018, at 4:27 PM, Stan Brown  wrote:
> 
> There doesn't seem to be any documentation of Tools » General Ledger,
> neither in the Help Manual nor in the Concepts Tutorial. (I couldn't
> find an answer in the FAQ or Using GnuCash either.)
> 
> I have transactions entered from 2017-12-31 though 2018-01-31. But for
> some reason, the General Ledger shows only 2018-01-23 through
> 2018-01-31. I know that earlier transactions are there, because I can
> get to them from the Accounts register. But I want the nice overview
> that the General Ledger tool provides. How can I unlock its date range?
> There doesn't seem to be anything in Preferences.
> 
> Please note: I'm talking about the General Ledger _tool_, not the
> report. I want the ability to correct transactions that I get in the tool.
> 
> -- 
> Regards,
> Stan Brown
> Tompkins County, New York, USA
> http://BrownMath.com
> http://OakRoadSystems.com
> 
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Re: General Ledger

[Derek Atkins]

Look in the View menu.

-derek
Sent using my mobile device. Please excuse any typos.



On February 23, 2018 6:28:00 AM Stan Brown  wrote:


There doesn't seem to be any documentation of Tools » General Ledger,
neither in the Help Manual nor in the Concepts Tutorial. (I couldn't
find an answer in the FAQ or Using GnuCash either.)

I have transactions entered from 2017-12-31 though 2018-01-31. But for
some reason, the General Ledger shows only 2018-01-23 through
2018-01-31. I know that earlier transactions are there, because I can
get to them from the Accounts register. But I want the nice overview
that the General Ledger tool provides. How can I unlock its date range?
There doesn't seem to be anything in Preferences.

Please note: I'm talking about the General Ledger _tool_, not the
report. I want the ability to correct transactions that I get in the tool.

--
Regards,
Stan Brown
Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://BrownMath.com
http://OakRoadSystems.com

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