[Goanet] Proud Goan Muslim
Dear Bosco, Sending this post from Nazir Aga to goanet. This letter to editor is published in Herald (14/01/2010) From: nazir...@hotmail.com Subject: Proud Goan Muslim Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 08:40:31 +0400 The attempts by certain sections to unjustly accuse Soter D'Suza of propagating communal hatred is downright malicious and disgusting to say the least. The issue of in migration is definitely a matter of concern to every right thinking Goan irrespective of caste, creed and religion. Protecting goa's social, economic, and cultural interests is not unconstitutional. If the rest of the states are hell bent on implementing their culture, language and protecting their economic interests what is wrong if goans do the same? If not let all state boundaries be dissolved and let only one language and culture prevail. Colonisation of any state by migrants is definitely not a constitutional right. Why should Goa which has a negative birth rate be penalised for the failure of other state governments which have not been able to provide for the social and economic needs of their people. These elements will do well if they answer to the points raised by Soter D'Souza. Yours truly Nazir Aga Windows Live: Friends get your Flickr, Yelp, and Digg updates when they e-mail you. Windows Live Hotmail: Your friends can get your Facebook updates, right from Hotmail®.
[Goanet] More cong MLAs join hands with 'rebels'
http://www.navhindtimes.in/news/goa-news/7379-more-cong-mlas-join-hands-with-rebels Coming up next, Vishwajeet as CM and Babush as deputy-CM. If you call current situation is one where Goa is sold, just wait to see what is coming next... samir
Re: [Goanet] Poor American
Tony de Sa wrote: > There is a tendency among some Goans to look at America with rose tinted > glasses. This little joke among one of the forwards I received will put > things in the proper prespective. > Poor Americans > John Smith started the day early. > having set his alarm clock > (MADE IN JAPAN ) for 6 am. -snip- > and turned on his TV > (MADE IN INDONESIA), > and then wondered why he can't find a good paying job in AMERICA Tony, You forwarded the above as a joke but this is no laughing matter. Thanks to the policies of George Bush (43) and co, for the past eight years, the US has been importing more than it exports. It now has no money to pay for its imports and is surviving only by printing more. The cost of this madness is that the US dollar has lost about 18% of its value during this period. Secondly, people in the US are buying foreign goods because the few manufacturers that are left are producing goods that US residents do not want. For example, US residents prefer to buy foreign cars rather than US ones as: 1) Foreign cars are more dependable and 2) They have better fuel economy than US made ones. Finally, the current US Govt, just like the USSR Govt of old, can be convinced that a company is too important to fail. The Govt then pays the workers in these failed companies to produce goods/services that no one wants to buy. Mervyn1144Lobo __ Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail. Click on Options in Mail and switch to New Mail today or register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca
[Goanet] G.O.A. London
Greetings and Happy New Year from sunny Majorda. Congratulations on the successful New Year's dance, which had a record number attending to show their support to the President. The Finance Director will state that the event was run at a loss. The problem is that the President does not sing from the same Hymn sheet as the F.D. The President resigned in two open notifications to the Members, there was also on agenda an item for the election of President. By what authority does the President stay on? Did he stand for reelection? Even Roberto Mugabe stands for reelections. No point having all youngsters supporting when the City Fathers are all holidaying in Goa and are not interested in offering their input. The Board needs to check out the validity of the President, clearly the Legal and Admin Director knows little if anything about the Constitution or the Companies Act. regards, Dias.
[Goanet] Communidade Land Illegalities In Canacona Under Scanner
Communidade Land Illegalities In Canacona Under Scanner At last it is good to see authorities taking interest in the communidade land at Canacona, how long the interest will last or when all the euphoria will suddenly vanished in to a poof! Only time will tell, I would most certainly like to be optimistic, but history forces pessimism. The news that the newly elected Attorney of Canacona Communidade and former chairperson of Mormugao municipality, Mr Kritesh Gaonkar, has immediately started ascertaining facts about encroachments on communidade land around Canacona, was welcome, it's indeed a step in the right direction, it should not stop there, action should be taken against people who have sold communidade land for personal profit by distorting facts and manipulating records and documents. >From what I have heard there is very little communidade land left in Canacona, as most of the so called "protectors" of communidade land, the different committees incharge of this land, have either made it their own or sold it by fraud to outsiders, one of them being the sale of the Cabo-de-Rama plateau. In Khola, the communidade committee made up of the Saraswat community have done the same. The records in the communidade office have disappeared, some have been distorted as per convenience. In Khola communidade land ceases to exist any more ! Luckily the copy of an old Portuguese gazette came good in the Cabo-de-Rama plateau case, where in it was clearly mentioned, the details with the area and boundaries as communidade land and one person by the name of Floriano Fernandes from Cabo-de-Rama has been fighting the land sharks and the Saraswat community involved in this fraud, although the court order says that the sale deed of the Cabo-de-Rama plateau is null n void, and the records in the survey department to be reverted back to communidade land, the Saraswat community involved in this scam headed by their well known Lawyer cum real estate agent has appealed to the higher court and the saga continues. The poor people who have been tilling communidade land and living on it for decades have not been compensated in any way yet, as per the law, but on the contrary, it has been sold and that too, to people from outside the village or other states, which is against the communidade norms. I do hope the new Attorney of Canacona communidade will do justice to his position and title and take the required appropriate actions to restore justice the poor who tilled and lived on that land for decades and punish the guilty. That would indeed change pessimism into optimism Freddy Agnelo Fernandes The content of this electronic communication is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and any others who are specifically authorized to receive it. It may contain confidential or legally privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or otherwise placing reliance on the contents of this information is prohibited and may be unlawful in certain legal jurisdictions. If you have received this communication in error please notify the sender immediately by responding to this email and then delete it from your system. __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __
[Goanet] Who is a Goan?
There is a relatively simple solution to the so called immigrants problem. Make Konkani a required language in schools and for all civil service jobs. Use konkani in all government announcements, street signs and instructions. Print all government forms only in Konkani, but make available English or other language versions at a cost to reflect translation and the cost imposed by excessive immigration. Give plaintiffs the right to legal proceedings only in Konkani, and the students to be examined only in Konkani just as with the French in Quebec (Canada). And use konkani in all legal affairs in exactly the same way as in other states. I doubt this will have adverse impact because there are plenty of Konkani speaking people who had to leave Goa for various reasons but still harbour a sense of belonging to Goa. The situation is similar to that in the US where the flood of illegal immigration, especially from Mexico is imposing inordinate costs on the citizens and changing the character (and language) of the country. In the United States there are colourful monikers for immigrants: wetbacks and carpetbaggers come to mind. These may not be politically correct, but factually indisputable. Jagdish Gangolly
[Goanet] ALEXYZ Daily Cartoon (14Jan10)
"Good Future..Peace..Happiness..among your brothers..Luizinho...But you must give up Football..Hockey...Retire from Politics...Mr. Churchill" To enjoy the visual cartoon please visit: www.alexyztoons.com Site sponsored by www.goasudharop.org
[Goanet] chaos rules at Indian embassy Qatar
Firsthand account of my visit to Indian embassy in Qatar My visit to the Indian embassy in Qatar revealed shocking details. The first goof-ups I noticed as I stepped in were regarding spellings—compensation was changed to compansation and complaints to comlaints, how this missed the eye of the officials and the Indian ambassador has baffled me and the score of the Indians who visit the Embassy. Check the photos at the link here---http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=172209&id=544531336&l=fd22d94b85 The embassy was shifted to the new premises last month. If that was not enough, the language for communication was English, but then Malayalam was for all official purposes the other language used, and notices have been prominently pasted in the embassy premises both in English and Malayalam, sadly not Hindi. Hindi can be read by scores of Indians from the entire north belt and also people from other parts of India and Pakistan. In recent times with Hindi been taught in all schools in India it can be read by most Indians. But, Malayalam is confined only within the Kerala community. The prominent use of Malayalam people pointed out is due to the fact that the Indian ambassador although hailing from North India is married to a Mallu. But, she had been maintaining her dignity of her high office and not gracing new hotel inauguration functions, which her predecessor had been doing on a regular basis. Chaos ruled at the embassy despite the token system been followed, with people crowding around the counter, with the security personnel being passive spectators. Rude, arrogant would be mild words to describe the attitude of the staff at the embassy. It starts with the help desk, who dismissed any queries for Indian visas by Nigerians, Pakistanis, Iranians and Yemenis with disdain. “No visas for Pakistan, Iran, Yemen and Nigerians,” he shouted at the top of his voice as he turned back a Nigerian student who wanted a one-year visa at the Osmania University in Hyderabad. After going through the Nigerian papers for visa application, the help desk official discovered that instead of clearing the first year at the University, the student had contravened the provisions of the Visa and instead enrolled in another institute. “This cannot be allowed,” he told the student. “You can do that in your country.” Later talking to me, the help desk official confirmed that visa norms for all nationals have been tightened. When questioned, if the greater terror threat and the recent Headingly fiasco, had made India tighten up the visa procedures, he answered in the affirmative. Headingly, US national of Pakistan origin changed his original Muslim name to Headingly to outfox the authorities. He availed of a multiple entry Indian visa and was part of the cell which plotted the 26/11 Mumbai attacks. And, there is more bad news for Indians wishing to register themselves with the Indian embassy in Qatar. The embassy no longer accepts hand written or email requests for registration Indian nationals in the database of the Indian embassy. If one of my Goan friend involved with lot of social, cultural and sports organizations in one of the GCC country wrote to me saying: “A simple email or fax to the embassy will do – just state the name, passport number, the company/employer you are working for, Your coordinates (telephone, mobile, fax, email), etc….. Another way the embassy records is when you have a passport application (for renewal or fresh passport) There is a column to state if you have registered with the embassy or if you are a part of an association/ Organization known to the embassy.In some GCC countries the Indian mission registers organizations ( a few years ago it was one state, one organization) But this did not work out well, and it has been changed.” The Indian help desk official, who reverted back to me, informed that the practice has since been discontinued after the computerization of records. “There is no need to compulsorily register oneself with the Indian embassy, whenever you come to the embassy for any work, your data will be entered in the database,” he informed me. With prime Minister Manmohan Singh asserting that NRI’s will be given the right to vote, the first step will be register the new NRI voters and also the old NRI voters who have been wiped off from the electoral rolls. Not only have some of the people who have spent some 27 years in the Gulf been wiped out from the electoral rolls but on by their own account lost touch with Goa. Very sad for this people, they are not keeping themselves tuned with the times, in this current internet and television age when you know every hour what is happening in your back yard, distance and years should not be an excuse to say. “We do not know what is happening in Goa. People back home in Goa are the best judges.” It will be a huge task to add the new NRI voters and if that task is entrusted with the Indian missions then it will be overburdening the staff.
Re: [Goanet] fool's paradise
Dear Fr. Ivo da C.Souza, The best of wishes for 2010 to you and yours. I found your first post (directed at me) for 2010 very intriguing, and I thought that I'd respond to it. There are some bits with which I agree with you, some with which I have some queries, and I do have a question at the end - which might benefit from the proclaimed expertise. ICS[1] : Catholic priests and sisters may know much more than you about love, marriage and family problems... jc 1: I AGREE with you entirely, but only because, just about everyone I know - knows much more than I do about everything i.e. including love, marriage and family problems... == ICS[2] : marriage courses are given by priests throughout the country, as well as abroad. Young people are having excellent counsellors among Catholic priests and sisters. jc 2: I AGREE with you entirely. What I am not sure is the attendance. Is the attendance of these courses voluntary or is it mandatory for couples to attend these course IF they wish to get married in the church? Voluntary attendance would have given a possible clue as to how "excellent" these courses were/are. Would you disagree? == ICS[3] : Let the married person "sacrifice" his "girl-friend"... jc3: I do have a problem with that answer. But first, please allow me to restate my point (to which you made the above response) i.e. "I definitely would NOT know about a Married person having a girlfriend" I personally do not believe that women are pieces of furniture which can be discarded at will, or mere pieces of meat which can be 'sacrificed'. What if the woman was led to believe that the 'married man' was a bachelor" ... Just sacrifice her? My advice would have been simple, albeit naive: As per Konfewcius: Married man have only One girl-friend. Her name is wife.. == Now a problem for which I will pick your counseling brains: Maggie (22) is married to John(23), a traveling salesman. They have 1 child. One day, the doctor telephones John and tells him that he has HIV and TB. Maggie overhears this conversation via the telephone extension. Later that night, John goes to the "taverna" to drown his concerns and returns feeling very jolly. He takes Maggie into confidence and tells her that he would like to have another child. Maggie telephones Fr Ivo and asks: a: Should I use the condom? b: Should I take the chance without the condom? c: Should I just drink carrot juice every day and hope that nothing bad happens to me? You know Father, if I do not "give in to his demands", John will throw me out of the house - He has become very hard-headed over the past 4 months. If he throws me out, what will I do for food and shelter for me and my child? I have no job nothing! OK ...one problem is enough for today sincerely jc
[Goanet] Remote control to FN etc
[Goanet] Remote control to FN etc What man FN? Don’t you (and other top journalists) see it everyday from your famous ‘Café Prakash’? No doubt, they do collect or clear our rubbish (they even pay for it ) but that does not mean they should dirty our city gardens or places like Azad Maidan etc For that matter, our household garbage is also collected by the migrants (thru CCP) What if they sleep for couple of hours on our pavements, gardens, memorials etc? They are the one who clear up our garbage, don’t they? Each one of us can play his/her role in maintaining our city clean. Each one can do it his or her way. As for me, I do it my way and I am doing it for the last 3 years (Dirty Panjim Pics, I mean). I don’t even know if my work had any effects so far (except one mail from Clinton, see link below) but it will not stop me from doing more. That’s me. (Have about 600 pics on ‘ Dirty Panjim’ exclusive, if anybody wishes to Organize an exhibition, may please do so ) I would also like to request you all to have a look at CCP’s ‘mission or Vision Panaji’ See link below. And that will explain it all. That’s all my lord! (mi-lord) Your witnesses please! Here is a selection of ‘Azad Maidan’ dirty Panjim pics Azad sleeping zone etc http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim3/4169104749/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk_dirtypanjim/2371781875/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim3/3986331437/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim2/2915706241/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim2/2916551438/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk_dirtypanjim/2756871986/sizes/l/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk8/547594123/ by the CCP notice etc (Azad Maidan Dumping Zone) http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim3/4169104165/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim3/4048876646/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim2/2915705297/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk_dirtypanjim/2221591228/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim2/2916550252/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk_dirtypanjim/2756037859/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk_dirtypanjim/2756037437/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk_dirtypanjim/2756871316/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk_dirtypanjim/2184583006/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk_dirtypanjim/2183797533/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk17/3314661286/ Panjim city that- Cares for its citizens? Cares for it tourists? Well managed clean, green and safe? Kind and friendly? You find out here ‘vision Panjim’ by CCP http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk_dirtypanjim/2228308875/sizes/l/ Where is Clinton Vaz? Are you still with CCP (as associate Officer)? http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-May/177367.html Quote FN’s post http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2010-January/188531.html Write to: commissio...@ccpgoa.com NB. also grateful to Herald who sometime uses my above related pics in it's Monday's 'Civic Forum' GT also used to do but it stopped now. cc to CCp commissioner (don't even know if the id is alive) BJP Parrikar joego...@yahoo.co.uk for Goa & NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Yahoo! Homepage. http://in.yahoo.com/
Re: [Goanet] Citizenship issue...
> 2010/1/13 Samir Kelekar > > Even a kid knows that citizenship is the only thing that decides political > > rights in a country. Not necessarily. I voted in all UK elections and all Australian elections by virtue that I was a resident in those countries, even though at the time I was not a citizen of either of those countries. > From: Frederick Noronha > Wed, 13 January, 2010 11:47:39 PM > > I think every expat who is today lecturing and hectoring Goa and India > (including, but not restricted to Mario Goveia, Rajan Parrikar, Jose > Colaco, et al) have a huge debt of India and Goa. They gained from the > Nehruvian-"Kangres" social infrastructure that made them into > Toledians, IITians or dotors with skills good enough to take on the > world. They got a highly subsidised education (in the 1970s, we > believed it costed Rs 100,000 to build a single doctor) and then took > their education and then sold it cheap to an affluent part of the > world, which probably needs it the least. Not necessarily. How do you know that expats haven't already paid more than their debt to the country, directly or indirectly? Have you done an audit? Sold it cheap? In what way? Many of us had to start from scratch with no help from anyone to re-start living, buying strictly what was necessary and many times going without, knowing that there was light at the end of the tunnel. > Timbucktoo. For me, someone deploying skills where it is most needed > is more important than ethnic ties, accidents of birth, religion, or > other such connects. That's where the NRGs are - in some Timbuktoo or the other, deploying their skills where they are most needed and are appreciated. Please remember that in "foreign", locals get the first pick, so to be gainfully employed in one's preferred line, one must be really, really good or have that skill in demand. Unfortunately, no such recognition was forthcoming in amchem Goem, which is why, the IIT-ian probably opted for Bangaluru instead of his "freedom-fought" Goa. > Some of our expats believe they are doing a big favour to Goa and > India by sending back money to their family and relatives. This is > almost made to seem as if they are offering alms to Goa. Ah poor you. Looks like your "grapes are sour". In one paragraph you decry expats having "drained" India's resources via education, then in another, you criticize them for trying to repay their "debts". The NRG cannot win in any case - is that it? > I have never claimed to be deeply in love with Goa, or proud of my > Goan identity. To me, that is all an accident of history and birth. Rico! What are you saying? Be proud to be a Goan, man! > Many of us don't have the oodles > of money that expats have access to. But I don't think that makes us > inferior or the efforts less worthy. In this context, asking anyone > what-have-you-don-for-Goa questions doesn't make sense to me. Nether have the expats - remember that most of them started from scratch, as the most they could take away with them until MMS came to the scene, was US500. That they managed to make it is due only to the hard work and 18-hour working days. And they pay direct and indirect taxes as much as 50%. Having oodles of money is neither here nor there, nor should it be a factor in determining one's worthiness. Similarly, "what-you-have-done-for-Goa" is only something only boasters would ask, and in this case, it wasn't an NRG who posed the question. So rest easy and don't develop a complex. > May each of us find some way to do something of meaning to some cause > we find worthy in life. And may we continue our debates in a way that > brings out more light than heat. FN A sobering thought, that. Gabriel. __ See what's on at the movies in your area. Find out now: http://au.movies.yahoo.com/session-times/
[Goanet] CRZ The Destroyer
CRZ The Destroyer The lives of costal Goans will never be the same, our ancestral houses, were we were born, brought up and lived, some extended by the innocence of heart to accommodate the expanding families, houses and dream homes built by the hard earned money by sweat and blood, hindered by the laws of the jungle that benefited the privileged and transgressed the lowley, with nowhere else to go, hoping against hope that they will be spared, even after all the promises it was not to be so, as usual, victims of the broken promises, promises are meant to be broken is the mantra followed by our political leaders. CRZ will be a very important quotient during the next election, it could well be the death of Congress in Goa, the majority of the people, whose dwellings have been demolished, have been the poor and the middle class. The curses of the people, will befall on our politicians. The hard earned money invested in their dwellings crushed by the heavy duty machinery, while the politicians who promised to protect them, watched the squalor, enjoying themselves in their havens built on swindled, tax payers money. Some were even seen having a good time at a local cafe, planning to hijack the top chair in the assembly, while the dwellings of the poor were pulled down into a heap of rubble. Does it look like, these people were elected by the people, to be of the people, to protect the people ? The apathy of Goan politicians towards the masses has only multiplied and has indeed crossed the point of no return. Just before the LS elections Mrs. Sonia Gandhi had come to Goa promising to do her best for the people affected by CRZ, is this the best she could do in her power ? The environment minister Mr. Jairam Ramesh too promised to do the best in his power, after all the visits to the different costal villages in Canacona and his assurances to protect the structures, is this the best he could do, for the people of Goa ? What about Digu and his stoogies who followed the environment minister every where he went, while in Goa, what happened to their assurances ? Does the Congress have any credibility left to promise the Goan people anything in future ? Congress is dead for sure and the spineless BJP is in no better position either, because of sharing the bed with the Congress on the issues of CRZ and mining. Selfish gutless politicians only interested in their own selfish interests. Both Congress and the BJP are equally odious in comparison, if not one worse than the other. I sincerely hope that at least now the people of Goa will wakeup and realize their folly of electing the same corrupt people, who are not at all interested in the well being of Goa nor Goans. Did any of them give any statements, since the demolitions started ? While our politicians are busy making money, our poor people are being made homeless, adding to the woes of their already shattered lives. After all that has happened in the past few day and continues to happen, playing the gamut of innocence, will only highlight the stupidity of our politicians ambitions. Our elected politicians have done their best in challenging the directives of the highest court in India and saved a five star hotel from demolition, they have done their best, to save the illegal shanties of the migrants all over Goa, how come they failed to save the humble dwellings of the poor Goan people ? We do need answers ? Don't we ? Freddy Agnelo Fernandes The content of this electronic communication is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and any others who are specifically authorized to receive it. It may contain confidential or legally privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or otherwise placing reliance on the contents of this information is prohibited and may be unlawful in certain legal jurisdictions. If you have received this communication in error please notify the sender immediately by responding to this email and then delete it from your system. __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __
Re: [Goanet] BrieFNcounters: Goan food, art, music, protest, youth culture, diaspora ... and fun
Fred, 'BrieFNcounters' Part of the heading is quite charming and innovative. I wonder how u manage to be everywhere,(at the same time?) like 'sawvantaryami' omnipresent!! Congrats Maurice D. Read all Goanet messages at: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/
[Goanet] Query ... about Goan authors
Dear all: To come out with a new edition of the Peter Nazareth-edited anthology of Goan writing, I am looking for the dates of birth (and death, where relevant) of the following writers, who have focussed on Goa themes. If you could help me with any, I'd be grateful. * Violet Dias Lannoy. * WWS Bhasker * Berta Menezes Braganca * Antonio da Cruz * Wilson Fernandes * Philip Furtado * Thomas Gay (translator of R V Pandit) * Joseph K Henry * Evagrio Jorge * Lino Leitao * Art-critic (Dyaneshwar) D.G. Nadkarni * H.O. Nazareth * Leslie de Noronha * R.V. Pandit * A.K. Priolkar * Manuel C. Rodrigues * Santan Rodrigues * Raul de Gama Rose * Ladis Da Silva * Marion da Silva * V. Sivaramakrishnan * Adelaide de Souza * Robert de Souza (author of 'Goa and the Continent of Circe) * Cyrano Valles Many thanks in advance! FN -- Frederick Noronha Columnist :: journalism :: editing :: alt.publishing :: photography :: blogging Landline :: +91-832-2409490 Mobile :: +91-9822122436 784 Saligao 403511 Goa India
[Goanet] Only in America
IF YOU CROSS INTO GOA BORDER YOU GET A RATION CARD AND ARE ALLOWED TO 'P' AND 'SHITE' WHEREVER YOU WANT! BC IF YOU CROSS THE U.S. BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET
[Goanet] Sardines, Aunt Veronica
Yesterday A. Veronica gave me a Sardine recipe which turned out super delicious and it was super easy In a Pressure Cooker : 3 dozen (Two vaataas in Goa) sardines, beheaded ;o), gutted, scaled and washed 2 sliced med size onions 1 sliced tomato 4 sliced garlic 2" ginger sliced in half and crushed 1/2 teaspoon fenugreek seeds 1 sprig curry leaves 2 slit green chillies juice extracted from soaking a lime size ball of tamarind in a katori of water or tamarind paste 1 tblsp Salt to taste 1 tablespoon coconut oil (olive oil can do as well I imagine) 1 cup water Pressure cook on medium heat. Cook for 30 to 40 mins after the first whistle All this time say a short prayer for A. Veronica (vital ingredient) When serving, remove delicately from the cooker The sardines stay firm but the bones are soft and edible Enjoy.the dish and the compliments! Wendell PS: A Portuguese recipe uses corriander seeds instead of fenugreek but I have not tried that
[Goanet] MONTH'S MIND: Octaviano (Octo) Sequeira
MONTH'S MIND Octaviano (Octo) Sequeira Cansaulim, Goa (Ex-Commercial Bank of Kuwait & National Bank of Kuwait) Died: Dec 09, 2009 Photo: http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/1H3v5DfzBUl5uwXB_4xG4w?feat=directlink There will be a Eucharistic Celebration for the soul of our beloved OCTO at the Holy Family Cathedral, Kuwait on Saturday, January 16th, 2010 at 7:15 pm Relatives and Friends kindly accept this as the only intimation. SOURCE: Gulf-Goans e-Newsletter
Re: [Goanet] Citizenship issue --- what IQ these people have?
I thought boot-licking (the Indian kind) was your speciality :-)). Don't worry about my underwear - it is always clean, and I don't have to lick it - the clothes washer does a wonderful job. I always talk about my Goan-hood to whoever I want to, and I don't have to worry about my throat, as they know I am not an Indian (sorry, I know I said it in bad taste, but then you you asked for it). My home country is Goa, and no one can take that fact away from me. That Goa is taken by India on a pretext of "liberation" is another issue. - Original Message > From: Samir Kelekar > To: Goanet > Sent: Wed, 13 January, 2010 10:15:13 PM > Subject: [Goanet] Citizenship issue --- what IQ these people have? > >> > PS: As to those shouting about underwears, lick them properly and clean them > and > then wear them over your head. After all, you are good at licking all kinds > of > things. Gabriel, > hope you are alive in Australia. Talk about your Goan-hood in public and a > knife > may > come at your throat. So, much for your home country. __ See what's on at the movies in your area. Find out now: http://au.movies.yahoo.com/session-times/
[Goanet] Goa news for January 14, 2010
Goa News from Google News and Goanet.org Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories. *** Passenger falls sick on 'stuffy' Spicejet flight - Hindustan Times ear-old state-level swimming champion who fell sick ... http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=R&sa=T&url=http://www.hindustantimes.com/News-Feed/mumbai/Passenger-falls-sick-on-stuffy-Spicejet-flight/Article1-496778.aspx&usg=AFQjCNEbXKdG5dn_w2lAdTU1y43NSP1-rg *** Cong rebels claim Goa Speaker keen to take over as CM - Press Trust of India ongress-mlas-meet-to-demand-for-a-change-in-goa-leadership_1334213&usg=AFQjCNFUUSP0HB3fxeBaSWTASNW318dy7w">Rebel Congress MLAs meet to demand for a change in Goa leadership http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=R&sa=T&url=http://www.ptinews.com/news/467073_Cong-rebels-claim-Goa-Speaker-keen-to-take-over-as-CM&usg=AFQjCNEWUzywib0NvVx3xEkJKgogLt0f2Q *** Goa bans bikini ads to go 'clean' - The Press Association lad women in a bid to promote the state as a family holiday destination. ... http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=R&sa=T&url=http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5iBuywvFMy041r1D72MwosPFgrkqA&usg=AFQjCNEAVJylLDtJ-aypU_OxJmSTOXX4YQ *** Vinnaithandi Varuvaaya and Goa mania takes-off - PlanetRadiocity amil-music-review-vinnaithaandi-varuvaaya.htm&usg=AFQjCNHAFEj7W1Ob2TBDnUaQWhAxyWMkQA">Vinnaithaandi Varuvaaya: Vintage Rahman http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=R&sa=T&url=http://www.planetradiocity.com/musicreporter/news.php?newscatid=1&newsid=1873&usg=AFQjCNGdXgXJQ6OAWuMV1biJxLd0xbFmDw *** Govt may limit some pvt sector mining, Sesa Goa to be hit - Moneycontrol.com o-watch-Sesa-Goa-Wockhardt-Deepak-Nitrite-Adhunik-Metaliks/articleshow/5439244.cms&usg=AFQjCNGrC75f7ns6yuQf2jVnIWzcQpbe6w">Stocks to watch: Sesa Goa, Wockhardt, Deepak Nitrite, Adhunik Metaliks http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=R&sa=T&url=http://www.moneycontrol.com/news/economy/govt-may-limit-some-pvt-sector-mining-sesa-goa-to-be-hit_435393.html&usg=AFQjCNGD0_ZxiISLckEgqb7sgdZmC387Dg *** CRCC 9-A Side Trophy: Navelim to cross swords with Goa Maroons in semis - Mangalorean.com ngalorean.comKuwait Jan 13: Navelim YC will face arch rivals Goa Maroons in the semi finals of CRCC Trophy being played at Sabah Hospital Grounds. ...http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=R&sa=T&url=http://mangalorean.com/news.php?newstype=broadcast&broadcastid=164504&usg=AFQjCNHaOs_ocCnd7k76kdPBe8vQTNWKqQ *** Goa police nab drug peddler; seize more gold than drugs - Thaindian.com aindian.comPanaji, Jan 13 (IANS) The Goa police Wednesday claimed to have arrested an alleged drug peddler and recovered drugs worth Rs.4 lakh but also got an ...http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=R&sa=T&url=http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/uncategorized/goa-police-nab-drug-peddler-seize-more-gold-than-drugs_100303425.html&usg=AFQjCNEXdr_dgdpXNwmtSgJPBbZrhqczqg *** I-League: Fatorda Stadium To Host I-League Games In Goa - Goal.com eague, ...http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=R&sa=T&url=http://www.goal.com/en-india/news/1064/i-league/2010/01/13/1741743/i-league-fatorda-stadium-to-host-i-league-games-in-goa&usg=AFQjCNFNB9q4Hr12ZcbIEYqxKtFkz_LSSA *** South Goa e-governance project hits roadblock - Times of India overnance project of the South Goa district administration, the third phase ” connecting the ...http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=R&sa=T&url=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/South-Goa-e-governance-project-hits-roadblock/articleshow/5439063.cms&usg=AFQjCNHMbJJYvC6Ssh1GIZy0SXn2wt9vpA *** Goa yet to respond to New Delhi's security questionnaire - Times of India mes of IndiaPANAJI: The Goa government, which has warned of "spectacular acts of violence" in the state, hasn't responded to a questionnaire on the security scenario ...http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=R&sa=T&url=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/Goa-yet-to-respond-to-New-Delhis-security-questionnaire-/articleshow/5439849.cms&usg=AFQjCNGvOuhy4XNrxtkEHFHIQEoEJZvPAw Compiled by Goanet News Service http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php
Re: [Goanet] Citizenship issue...
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 18:17:39 +0530 From: Frederick Noronha I think those who disagree with you have managed to derail your arguments by converting this into a debate over "political rights". Mario observes: The only "arguments" by Samir that need to be derailed are those directed at fellow-Goans and not at the corruption in Goa. Fred wrote: It is very, very easy to split from, or divorce the woman/man you once loved, and to curse her/him for all perceived faults, real or imaginary. It's more difficult to live with a person's failings, well past the honeymoon period, and appreciate them for what they are, shortcomings and all. This, to me, is the relationship between expats (and RGs, and Tony called them in his very interesting post) and Goa! Mario observes: This comment ignores the mess that has been allowed to develop in Goa as well as the well-intentioned actions by Goan expats in trying to help Goa by waking up the locals, who went to sleep AGAIN after the successful uprising against the CRZs a few years ago. Fred wrote: The other point is that it is easy to grab a safety-boat to an island of prosperity and the 'better life', and then point to the vessel we have deserted as being a sinking ship. Mario responds: The last time I checked Goa is a "sinking ship" without a single NRG having a hand in sinking it. It doesn't seem to occur to Fred that the "island of prosperity and the better life" didn't get that way by random chance and may have some lessons that Goa can benefit from. Fred wrote: They got a highly subsidised education (in the 1970s, we believed it costed Rs 100,000 to build a single doctor) and then took their education and then sold it cheap to an affluent part of the world, which probably needs it the least. Mario responds: To begin with, we did not become affluent in the new world by selling ourselves cheap. Secondly, most of us emigrated because of the mindless socialism that seemed to have no end in dragging India down, until Manmohan came along, not because our new countries needed us. As it turns out the most welcoming and competitive of the immigrant countries, the USA, cannot function without us now. This is a resource that India could have had for nothing but decided to drive us away through stupid political policies. Regarding the subsidized education, most of us have repaid our debt and then some. Fred wrote: For me, someone deploying skills where it is most needed is more important than ethnic ties, accidents of birth, religion, or other such connects. Mario responds: Who gets to decide where someone's skills are the "most needed"? Fred wrote: Some of our expats believe they are doing a big favour to Goa and India by sending back money to their family and relatives. This is almost made to seem as if they are offering alms to Goa. Mineowners and hoteliers in tourism similarly point to the foreign exchange they earn "for Goa"; I think they are doing nobody a favour but just earning money for themselves and using it to meet their own, their extended family, or business needs... in either case. Mario responds: Karl Marx must be smiling in his mausoleum. Private businesses help the economy by helping themselves. No one starts a business with all the investment and risk this entails "for Goa". These businesses are, in fact, doing a huge favor to those who are employed in their businesses. BTW, even Manmohan Singh acknowledges that the expats are doing Goa and India a huge favor because they could have found other uses for their money somewhere else in the world. NRGs send money to India when it suits them. Other than you, I haven't heard anyone else construe these cash flows as "alms". Fred wrote: it would be even nicer if the expats could (i) work to improve their attitude to their original home, an unappreciated and kicked-in-the-you-know-where land which often gave them much in a way that made a crucial difference to their lives and (ii) try to share skills and be positive instead of making a self-fulfilling prophecy about how terrible the Third World situation really is. Mario responds: The ones who initially "kicked" India in the "you-know-where" were the colonists who exploited India. Thereafter, India was further "kicked-in-the-you-know-where" by the Fabian socialism of the Nehru family that wasted untold resources during India's first 50 years or so, until Manmohan imposed some common sense and reality on India. What Rajan and Anil have done is precisely to share their skills and be positive. What exactly is "negative" about the personal time and money they have spent fighting the system in Goa? The archives will show that the negativism in this debate was introduced by a couple of RGs, for no reason that I have been able to ascertain. The Third World situation is mostly the fault of the Third World's leaders who led their countries astray after gaining Independence from the colonists. India is
Re: [Goanet] Delay in Bilhete De Identidade
I refer you to an 8-year-old article, http://www.colaco.net/1/DeadMenFlying.htm as to reasons why it takes so long for processing BI in Goa. In addition, see the latest Devika Sequeira report on Deccan Herald http://www.deccanherald.com/content/45984/portugal-wants-tighter-norms-citizenship.html As a result of the above, I can inform you that while it took a few months for processing a BI of an Australian-born son of a BI-holding Goan, his older brother, born in Goa is still waiting for his BI. Don't blame the Portuguese authorities, rather, blame the endemic corruption that seems prevalent in that region. AFAIK, there is no point in contacting the Conservatoria de Registros Centrais (the organisation that handles BI applications for people born overseas). They will still rely on the local consulate to perform the requisite "searches", and this takes its time. Meanwhile, remember that there are a great number of applications pending at the consulate for verification. Gabriel. - Original Message > From: Samir > To: goa...@goanet.org > Sent: Wed, 13 January, 2010 10:52:28 AM > Subject: [Goanet] Delay in Bilhete De Identidade > > Hello Readers, > > There is a considerable amount of delay by Portuguese Consulate - Goa in > giving > appointments for B.I and processing B.I > > The act & attitude of the staff is as usual ridiculous as if they are > the only one existing and there is only one portuguese consulate in > the earth who is burdened with excessive work load. > > After the application for B.I has been made in the Portuguese > consulate - Goa, Can anybody send the complete details about the > authority in portugal who is responsible for making/issuing B.I so > that request for expediting can be send to them and thereafter B.I can > be collected from the consulate. > > Thnx, > Sameer __ See what's on at the movies in your area. Find out now: http://au.movies.yahoo.com/session-times/
Re: [Goanet] Citizenship issue...
2010/1/13 Frederick Noronha : I think every expat who is today lecturing and hectoring Goa and India (including, but not restricted to Mario Goveia, Rajan Parrikar, Jose Colaco, et al) have a huge debt of India and Goa. They gained from the Nehruvian-"Kangres" social infrastructure that made them into Toledians, IITians or dotors with skills good enough to take on the world. They got a highly subsidised education (in the 1970s, we believed it costed Rs 100,000 to build a single doctor) and then took their education and then sold it cheap to an affluent part of the world, which probably needs it the least. == Dears, I will only speak for medicine (and at the end, I have a short story). 1: How did Frederick Noronha come to assume that a "debt" was owed? a: How did he valuate the cost of medical education in the 1970s? b: How did he cost the value of the service provided as Interns and Residents and as students? c: How did he cost the value of the the service in the Rural Health Centre (Mandur)? d: How much foreign currency has been remitted by these 'doctors who sold their education cheap to the affluent world'? e: How much 'free time' have these doctors given (back) to GMC - during their holidays in Goa? f: Have they helped GMC in any other way? 2: What were the contractual terms of agreement between student and Goa Govt- at the time of admission to GMC? a: What was the mandatory clause - which if violated by the student, the student was liable to pay a certain sum? b: Has anybody (Noronha knows) not complied with the mandatory, and yet got away without paying the 'fine'? 3: Did the Goa Govt commit to provide Goan applicants with post Graduation posts and training without political interference? b: Was Post Graduate training available in Goa at the time? 4: While it is glorious to think about "serving in the rural areas which have no doctors", Is it safe medicine that new graduates practice independently (without supervision) in rural areas? 5: Is is OK for me to request Frederick Noronha, not to place his hat in front of his mouth, when he is talking? NOW: the story (entirely fictitious): The village - Velimgao The Panchayat is ruled by Velgaocars under the supervision of The Caldo Verde family. In place - among other things - is a Medical School - where ALL qualifying Velgaocars can study medicine and do what they want after that. Up come the Tikka Masala folks, and oust the Caldo Verde family. They run the panchayat, they take over the best places in the village, they even run the press. The Medical school is kind of denigrated.and a new Medical College course is run Velimgao villagers (who would have otherwise attended Medical School for free) are now attending the Medical College for a fee. In the mean time, the Tikka Masala group is making tons of money from the Sand and Soil of Velimgao - and sending it to the parent company. Do the residents of Veligao have a debt to pay for attending Medical College in Veligao? Are we OK in the cabeça? jc
Re: [Goanet] From one RG to another an open letter.
Mario, Incidentally, you have identified both Moidekars [who are also known for their pixeapona] to a third Moidekar I am told that 3 is crowd :) Whatever happened to the rest of RG Goans??? Cheers floriano goasuraj 9890470896 PS: Sometimes Pixo gets the cake. This has been proved when Moira Church got its most sonorous Bell in the auction because a Xanno Moidekar (not the UK'ite) wore a kasti and started besting the bets to the consternation of rank Batkars in suits boots and ties. It is also believed that this Pixo Moidekar coolly called for his valet after the auction who handed back to him his suit boot and tie :) PPS: Goa's Need of the Hour...What's Zat?? ... Continuos pealing of Moira Church Bell to wake up RG Goans??? - Original Message - From: "Mario Goveia" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 11:10 PM Subject: [Goanet] From one RG to another an open letter. Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 14:18:35 +0530 From: Tony de Sa There are many good RGs doing their best and offering positive and constructive solutions for Goa, like Floriano and Venita for example
[Goanet] ILLEGAL FILLING AND DESTRUCTION OF HERITAGE LAKE AT SHIRVODEM, NAVELIM
Goenchea Xetkarancho Ekvott Letter no. 01 /2010 Date:14/01/2010 To The Police Inspector, Margao Town Police Station, Margao, Goa. SUB:ILLEGAL FILLING AND DESTRUCTION OF HERITAGE LAKE AT SHIRVODEM, NAVELIM – PROMPT ACTION AGAINST MR. EDWARD VAZ Ref:(1) Complaint dated 22/12/2009 by Dr. S.G Prabhudessai (2) TCP letter bearing No. TPM/ill-cut-fill/Sal/09/8002 dated 23/12/09 (3)Letter dated 23/12/09 to the Chief Minister Sir, With reference to the complaint referenced (1) above (copy attached), the Town and Country Planning Department had instructed your office, vide their letter referenced (2) above, to stop Mr. Edward Vaz from further filling up the Shirvodem Lake and the neighbouring Communidade Agricultural lands, and to remove the all the earth dumped therein. Till today no action has been taken against the defaulter, nor has the earth been removed from the the said lake and paddy fields. This is a matter of grave public importance, and delays in booking the defaulter shall have serious and irreversible repercussions for the town of Margao and the village of Navelim on account of the grave ecological importance of the said lake and land. It is brought to your attention that the subject lake is of immense ecological importance for the entire area of Margao, Navelim and neighbouring villages. You must take cognizance of the fact that this lake hosts thousands of migratory and resident ducks of at least 14 species, including endangered species such as comb ducks, gadwalls, shovellers, etc. It is also recorded that extremely rare species of ducks such as ferruginous pochard, smew duck, etc, which are not found anywhere else in Goa, also come to this lake for wintering. It is therefore amply clear that protecting this water body and the surrounding fields is of the greatest importance not only for the farmers of Shirvodem and the residents of Margao, Navelim and surrounding villages, but also as an inescapable responsibility towards humanity and the environment. I therefore request you to take prompt and swift action to avoid further damage to this heritage lake and to restore the lake to its pristine condition immediately. Awaiting early justice and thanking you in anticipation Yours sincerely, cc: 1) The Dy. Collector, Salcete, Margao 2) The Town Planner, Salcete, Margao 3) The Hon'ble Chief Minister of Goa
[Goanet] Attack the Message - Not the Messenger
Reading the messages on Goanet these days, we can be assured of one thing, that a cure for insomnia will surely be discovered soon failing which a cure for insanity at least. As a first step towards both these objectives I have started reading God and You. Speaking of NRGs, Messengers and doing something for Goa, I know of a quiet man who does a lot for Goa but who does so without shouting from the rooftops. His name is Eddie Fernandes and he lives in London. In the two years that I've known him, I don't know of day which has passed by when some Goenkar-bhav from England or one who has emigrated to England, has not contacted him, asking him for help, information, resource, contacts, a place to live, food to eat, placements of advertisements, help with their businesses and even general marital advice. To each of these queries, he responds diligently, quietly, patiently, lending a roof over people's head if need be and food on their plates if required. At times, I wonder about his patience, his resilience, his perseverance and sadly I have never been able to match it. I wonder is Eddie an NRG, who does all this for the Goan community because he sees Goa with contempt? It is sad that we see contributions to Goa, only in terms of charity or activism. There is much to be said about the quiet Goan, who goes about his business, being a good citizen, leading an honorable life, guided by his conscience and led by his integrity. There is much to be said for contemplation instead of revolution, for brain-stilling instead of brain-storming, for calm instead of frenzy for gentleness instead of fury, for reaching out and building bridges instead of burning them, for loyalty and courage instead of being bodmass cassette no. 2. Best, Selma
[Goanet] Poor American
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 22:15:14 +0530 From: Tony de Sa There is a tendency among some Goans to look at America with rose tinted glasses. This little joke among one of the forwards I received will put things in the proper prespective. Poor Americans John Smith started the day early. having set his alarm clock (MADE IN JAPAN ) for 6 am. While his coffeepot (MADE IN CHINA) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:40:38 -0800 (PST) From: Samir Kelekar > and turned on his TV > (MADE IN INDONESIA), > and then wondered why he can't find a good paying job in AMERICA And finally came on Goanet, and posted how great America is! We all know what the real name of John Smith is. :-) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 00:57:42 +0530 From: "floriano" And instead of growing ulcers, he relaxed cause he had a good goan friend who had taught him the trick of being SUCEGAD:) Mario responds: This is so hilarious. Americans are buying all this stuff and Tony, Samir and Floriano have decided in their infinite lack of perspicacity that it is AMERICANS who can't find a good paying job in America and are therefore poor! LOL! Try selling all that stuff to poor people:-)) Samir forgot to add IT services from India to the list. Perhaps, affluent Karnatakan that he is, he is providing his services to those poor Americans for free:-)) Has any of these eminent economic analysts stopped to think where would these countries be without these purchases by Americans? This is precisely the beauty of America - we can buy stuff from anywhere we choose to:-)) And look what happens to China when the US economy slows down: http://www.eeo.com.cn/ens/Industry/2009/09/10/150693.shtml
[Goanet] Only in America
IF YOU CROSS THE NORTH KOREAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET 12 YEARS HARD LABOR. IF YOU CROSS THE IRANIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU ARE DETAINED INDEFINITELY. IF YOU CROSS THE AFGHAN BORDER ILLEGALLY, YOU GET SHOT. IF YOU CROSS THE SAUDI ARABIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE JAILED. IF YOU CROSS THE CHINESE BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU MAY NEVER BE HEARD FROM AGAIN. IF YOU CROSS THE VENEZUELAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE BRANDED A SPY AND YOUR FATE WILL BE SEALED. IF YOU CROSS THE CUBAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE THROWN INTO POLITICAL PRISON TO ROT. IF YOU CROSS THE MEXICAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GO TO FEDERAL PRISON FOR TWO YEARS. IF YOU CROSS THE U.S. BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET 1. A JOB, 2. A DRIVERS LICENSE, 3. SOCIAL SECURITY CARD, 4. WELFARE, 5. FOOD STAMPS, 6. CREDIT CARDS, 7. SUBSIDIZED RENT OR A LOAN TO BUY A HOUSE, 8. FREE EDUCATION, 9. FREE HEALTH CARE, 10. A LOBBYIST IN WASHINGTON 11. BILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF PUBLIC DOCUMENTS PRINTED IN YOUR LANGUAGE 12. THE RIGHT TO CARRY YOUR COUNTRY’S FLAG WHILE YOU PROTEST THAT YOU DON’T GET ENOUGH RESPECT 13. A LAWYER TO DEFEND YOU AT NO COST TO YOU 14. AND, IN SOME INSTANCES, YOU CAN VOTE. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE UNDERSTOOD WHAT AMERICA IS LIKE:-))
Re: [Goanet] Goanet Digest, Helping HAITI
HELPING HAITI A Haitian friend in Berkeley who has been deeply involved in outreach to Haiti for many, many years, just told me that the most urgent thing needed is health and hospital care. He and others are devastated at losing relatives and friends. He especially recommends Partners in Health. If anyone of our Goan community wishes to donate, here are the 2 sites to contact. Please inform your friends and pass the word on. And make sure the donations are marked for Haiti. With thanks, Filomena Saraswati 1. Partners in Healthhttp://www.pih.org/home.html BREAKING NEWS A major earthquake centered just 10 miles from Port-au-Prince has devastated sections of the city and knocked out telephone communications throughout the country. In an urgent email from Port-au-Prince, Louise Ivers, our clinical director in Haiti, appealed for assistance from her colleagues in the Central Plateau: "Port-au-Prince is devastated, lot of deaths. SOS. SOS... Temporary field hospital by us at UNDP needs supplies, pain meds, bandages. Please help us." We are still in the midst of collecting information from all our sites in Haiti, and determining how we can best help with the recovery efforts in the areas hardest hit. 2. Doctors Without Borders | MSF USA Doctors and nurses volunteer to provide urgent medical care in countries to victims of war and disaster regardless of race, religion, or politics. doctorswithoutborders.org/ --- On Wed, 1/13/10, goanet-requ...@lists.goanet.org wrote: > From: goanet-requ...@lists.goanet.org > Subject: Goanet Digest, Vol 5, Issue 62 > To: goanet@lists.goanet.org > Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 11:41 AM > Send Goanet mailing list submissions > to > goanet@lists.goanet.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' > to > goanet-requ...@lists.goanet.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > goanet-ow...@lists.goanet.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more > specific > than "Re: Contents of Goanet digest..." > > >
[Goanet] Mundane routine of the brutal textbook murderer
This is a rather strange case, which I noticed via Eddie's http://goanvoice.org.uk Mundane routine of the brutal textbook murderer http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/crime-courts/mundane-routine-of-the-brutal-textbook-murderer-1.997921 Without suggesting that a Goan can't be involved in a brutal, premeditated murder, would any one from Goa spell his surname as "Dantis"? Possible, but not very probable. This outsourcingroom.com profile suggests a link to Udupi: http://outsourcingroom.com/en/users/profile/roshandantis_.cbsx Eitherway, this is a sad and bizarre case, a bit like the killing of the young lad whose friends sought to kidnap him some years ago in Goa! FN -- Frederick Noronha
[Goanet] The goan connection to the US president (was Poor American)
There is a Goan connection to the current American president. Fitz D'souza (http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-April/176250.html) , in a story told to me at this year's New Year's eve party at his house in Bambolim, told me that he was one of three on the committee who decided on the scholarship application of Barack's father to come to the US. Good or bad, the rest is history. Marlon - Original Message From: Tony de Sa and then wondered why he can't find a good paying job in AMERICA AND NOW HE'S HOPING HE CAN GET HELP FROM A PRESIDENT MADE IN KENYA GOD BLESS AMERICA. UP THE STARS AND STRIPES.
Re: [Goanet] Citizenship issue...
Rico, It means 'rich' [ Portuguese, Spanish, Italian...] You have given the taste of this rich'ness to us Goans irrespective of whether we are RGs or NGGs Well done n keep it up ... flying' igh Cheers floriano - Original Message - From: "Frederick Noronha" To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 6:17 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Citizenship issue... May each of us find some way to do something of meaning to some cause we find worthy in life. And may we continue our debates in a way that brings out more light than heat. FN
Re: [Goanet] Remote control
Could someone please explain what's happening in the photo below? As far as I know, these aren't "squatters" but eco-friendly scrap recyclers, who work at one corner of the Azad Maidan for a few hours each evening, cleaning the packaging (paper and plastic) wastes left behind and recycling a large part of it. I'm amazed to see how they use their frugality to squeeze out a living of what others treat as 'wastes', while putting it to good use. It's mostly paper and packaging waste generated by thousands of good middle class Goenkars buying their newspapers and magazines in the locality. Is it better if this "waste" is simply dumped in the Mandovi, or some landfill in Curca? I am also appalled by the targetting of tiny scrap-yards in parts of Goa by some politicians and some parties, because they happen to be largely of migrant origin and largely Muslim. I think they're infact doing middle-class Goa a big favour by cleaning up its thrash ... and often enough, recycling it! FN 2010/1/14 Rajan P. Parrikar : > To Goanet - > American citizen presses button and CCP moves to clear > squatters at Azad Maidan in Panjim. Picture taken yesterday - > http://www.parrikar.org/images/samples/CCP-PanjimPIL.jpg -- Frederick Noronha Columnist :: journalism :: editing :: alt.publishing :: photography :: blogging
Re: [Goanet] Citizenship issue...
2010/1/13 Tony de Sa : > Today, if at all, I am able to communicate with you on Goanet via broadband, > it is thanks to Sam and Rajiv Gandhi who took the initiative to invite him > to India and take up the telecom project. Tony, I think the (small) band of Herman Carneiro critics on Goanet would be eternally grateful to you for crediting Samji and Rajivji on this accomplishment :-) FN -- Frederick Noronha : Columnist :: journalism :: editing :: alt.publishing :: photography :: blogging
[Goanet] Remote control
To Goanet - American citizen presses button and CCP moves to clear squatters at Azad Maidan in Panjim. Picture taken yesterday - http://www.parrikar.org/images/samples/CCP-PanjimPIL.jpg r
Re: [Goanet] Poor American
2010/1/13 Tony de Sa : > to the radio > (MADE IN INDIA ) Tony, Sir! Please tell me where you can get a decent made-in-India radio! I have been trying unsucessfully for ages now, and am finally reduced to listening to Internet radio, using the BMP Free Software option. [http://www.linuxlinks.com/article/20080628025431153/BMPx.html] As a radio fan, I've struggled from my times as a sixth-standard student trying to rig up my own Jetking "pocket" transistor in the 1960 and 1970s (Rs 65, if I recall right), to gifting myself a largish four-band Phillips receiver that cost exactly a month's salary when I quit a Goa-based newspaper in 1987 (a princely Rs 1060 then!) Prior to this, while in school, my dad bought a three-in-one (LP records, AM and MW!) which was the size of a big trunk from Mr Dalal (at Mapusa, I think... or maybe Panjim) for Rs 1500. After using it well for awhile, we fiddled hard and long with the valves behind, hoping they would somehow light up and catch some distant radio station! Those were the days when DX-ing (tuning into 'distant' and 'unknown' radio stations, hence the term DX) was still a hobby. ] Remember 73s, anyone? After that, sometimes in the 1990s when it was more possible to access foreign products, I tried my luck with Sony digital radios. Goa's high humidity probably was behind the problem of them not lasting long. My technologically-challenged inabilities to build outdoor antennas didn't help. Even in days when radio is seen as dead, I still remember the pleasure this simple instrument once offered us. For instance, there was this radio play on the Voice of America, which sounded so realistic and dramatic... I could almost recall still what the plot was about. >From a tiny Goa largely isolated from the outside world, we tried 'catching' some distant stations whenever possible. There were 'free' Bible courses (not Catholic, of course!) to tempt you into tuning in more frequently. I managed to get books to study Dutch, German and Russian -- and worked on all equally unsucessfully -- through the radio stations themselves. After sending in ten (or was it 20?) international reply coupons, each worth Rs 2.50 in those days, I got access to a neat, blue tee-shirt which said in bright yellow alphabets (or, "letters of the alphabet", as Cecil would note): 'Keep in touch -- Radio Sweden' on it. After wearing it for five years, I passed it on to my brother, who got into it for probably another two! In 1998, a chance to visit Stockholm actually took me to visit the towers of Radio Sweden, and meet up with the Brazilian lady who manned the international services then! We got tourist brochures showing the wonderful wildlife of (then) Apartheid-ruled South Africa, and "No neutron bomb!" badges from Erich Honecker's German Democratic Republic (though I later reached West Berlin just as Die Berliner Mauer was being chipped away in 1990 as both sides of the divided city drew Third World journalists, trying to impress how "superior" their political system was compared to the other. It wasn't a small world then, but the radio waves made it somewhat so... The memories that author Domnic "Domnic's Goa" Fernandes put across of All India Radio some time ago brought back a whole lot of memories. Of course, those were times dominated by "political correctness", and so the programmes on AIR-Panaji were heavily dominated by a classical fare, and a lot of pan-Indian (rather than regional, Goan) content. The afternoon English-Konkani sessions did strike a chord, of course. Imelda Tavora, who has just released a second book of her writing, a sequeal to her earlier autobiography, was a household name, and the successor of Emissora Goa played a key role in keeping local Konkani music (in particular, the cantaram) alive and kicking... specially by connecting the diaspora Bombay Goans community with home. Maybe Alfred Rose, Chris Perry, Lorna and the other Bombay-based personalities wouldn't have been such big figures minus radio. We also tuned in to the occasional radio tiatr, and Saturday Date came in from Bombay from 10 to 11 pm -- when the wind was favourable! Getting the Wednesday half-hour of Western music from the same source was also a struggle. At one time, in the 1970s or 1980s, if you walked by a village street in the morning, every second Christian house seemed to be tuned in to Radio Ceylon/later, the SLBC. Wonder where are those Fernando and other popular RJs (radio jockeys, to use today's term) who seemed to be having a fun time on the airwaves! The more affluent families in our parts of Bardez would tune in to Radio Australia, at 11-ish in the morning... as this station needed superior radio equipment to to stay tuned in to, specially since radio airwaves propagation isn't that successful in the daytime as compared to night. Anyway, your above comment Tony was just an opportunity to diagress. Still searching for a good radio. The Chinese, 140-200 rupees ones are fairly useful and
[Goanet] Attack the Message - Not the Messenger!
Folks, I cannot be alone in finding it tiresome to read through the Samir vs. Rajan slanging match which has metamorphosed into a NRG vs. RG cursing battle! The proponents in the debates should know better! Samir and Rajan as well as many NRGs and RGs have made useful contributions to this forum so let us concentrate on the message, instead of the messenger, please! Eddie Fernandes
Re: [Goanet] Poor American
And instead of growing ulcers, he relaxed cause he had a good goan friend who had taught him the trick of being SUCEGAD :) Cheers flo - Original Message - From: "Tony de Sa" To: "Goa's Premiere Mailing List, Estd 1994" Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 10:15 PM Subject: [Goanet] Poor American and then wondered why he can't find a good paying job in AMERICA Tony de Sa
[Goanet] Five hundred years later ...
It was a very interesting article by Frederick Noronha which appeared in Herald dated Jan.13. FN states: '''500 hundred years after the conquest of Goa ...it is time to take a more nuanced view of the long era of colonialism that shaped us all '''. I am not a historian by training but I do take interest in it. According to my rather pedestrian view, I do not think that all of us were shaped by Portuguese colonialism that lasted for 451 years. If I may say so, there were twostreams running side by side,one called Portuguesismo and the other Cristianismo. All Goan catholics are deeply influenced by Christianity, but 90 % of Goan catholics had nothing to do with Portuguesismo. Wearing of pants, shirts, shoes, and bearing Iberian names/surnames does not mean they were influenced by Portuguesismo. The remaining 10% are at perfect liberty to '''undertake more realistic analysis of what the Portuguese past meant to Goa '''.
Re: [Goanet] Who is a Goan?
Vivian Wrote: The issue of migrants derogatorily referred to as Ghattis is also raised from time to time. But I dare say that the economy of Goa would suffer immeasurably without the laborers from beyond the Ghats. There are hardly any "ganv-bhav" willing to do the backbreaking work performed by these migrant workers any more. Children of the laborers of yore are educated and some have gone on to become Doctors and Engineers. Nobody wants to do the manual labor that their parents did. Good for them. That is progress. Many of the so-called advanced countries in the Western world faced a similar situation. Soter replies: How many labourers would 8 lakh Goans require? Another 8 lakhs? That makes it one for each Goan. Hiring domestic help abroad is very costly. So don't people clean their own toilets and maintain their own gardens? Do we enjoy exploiting cheap labourers? I think we are over exagerating the dependence of Goans on immigrants. The actual labourers coming from the ghats to work in the fields and orchards come seasonally and buzz off. They never settle here. The migrant settlers are the parasites which are now facing racial hatred in Australia and even in UK. There is a limit to taking local people for granted.
[Goanet] Poor American
>and turned on his TV >(MADE IN INDONESIA), >and then wondered why he can't find a good paying job in AMERICA And finally came on Goanet, and posted how great America is! We all know what the real name of John Smith is. :-) samir
[Goanet] From one RG to another an open letter.
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 14:18:35 +0530 From: Tony de Sa 1. Each and every one of our RGs is a good-for-nothing waiting only for a hand out from the NRG brothers and sisters and waiting with an open mouth for the next visa to fall from their NRG relations. Mario responds: Poppycock. There are many good RGs doing their best and offering positive and constructive solutions for Goa, like Floriano and Venita for example. Unfortunately, there are also some RG and "deshi" NRG chest-thumpers who have decided that "foren" NRGs are a bigger problem than the corruption and mess in Goa, who are completely wasting their time and energy and deflecting attention from what needs to be done. Tony writes: 2. Goa is a mess and that we are incapable of doing anything about it. But they forget, that it is we and only we that can effectively change what is happening in Goa. They can only preach and give us advice which is based on their own frame of reference which no longer holds validity in the reality of Goa today. Mario responds: Yes and no. Yes, it is true that you RGs and "deshi" NRGs have shown yourselves incapable of doing anything about the mess in Goa. If you had been capable, we wouldn't be having this discussion now, would we? No, it is not true that only RGs can do something about it as George Pinto and Rajan Parrikar and Anil Desai, three "foren" NRGs, have already demonstrated by their stellar work in Goa. Other "foren" NRG's like Arwin Mesquita are confronting Goan legislators and Carmen Miranda is trying to light a fire under local RGs. All this at remarkable personal cost in terms of time and money. Yes, we can give you advice based on what we have seen work in other countries, which is mostly based on common sense. No, you are wrong that it does not hold validity in the reality of Goa today, assuming that there is still something called common sense left in Goa. I'll give you an example based on the reality of India. India was going nowhere during its first 50 years since Independence. Corruption and waste at all levels was rampant and Indians were draining at an alarming rate to the benefit of other countries. Then suddenly the founding families were gone and common sense began to assert itself in the form of new leadership like Manmohan Singh and Sonia Gandhi, who doesn't get enough credit in my opinion for exerting tremendous positive leadership while knowing when to grab the limelight and when to step back and let others get the limelight. Look at the difference this has made to India's economy in just a few years even with the old line communists in their coalition trying desperately to drag them backwards. Tony wrote: America has no corruption? Nor Britain, nor France, nor Germany, nor Australia? So you my dear NRG friends will have me and my other gullible brothers believe that these countries are pristine. Of course you have corruption but it is guised in a semblance of legality like the CEO of a company (I think it was Lehman Bros) who took millions just to liquidate the company. Mario responds: There is corruption from time to time in the countries you have listed. The difference you seem to be missing is that, in the west, when corruption is found the perpetrators are prosecuted and brought to justice. Taking millions just to liquidate a company may look corrupt to you, but if it was done legally, it could not correctly be described as corrupt in proper context. Tony wrote: What about the nuclear bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki even when the Americans knew that the Japanese were losing the war - Mario responds: This is a false description of what happened. It was Emperor Hirohito and the Japanese leadership who were responsible for the casualties at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The Japanese, who started the war for the US by bombing Pearl Harbor without warning, refused to surrender before and after the bombing of Hiroshima, and only surrendered after the second bombing of Nagasaki. Because of how the Japanese had fought before that, the estimates of the casualties on the Allied side to finish the war by physically attacking Japan was considered too high. In a war the objective is to kill the enemy while minimizing casualties among your own people. The bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki brought a brutal four year war to a screeching halt in just four days, unfortunately at an estimated cost of some 200,000 enemy casualties, all of which could have been avoided if the Japanese had surrendered before then. Tony wrote: 4. We can only be saved by the advice rather the 'pontificating' of some NRGs from their comfort zones. Mario responds: If the RG's wake up and start doing something tangible, all the NRGs can can happily go back to their comfort zones. I'm sure Rajan, Carmen, Arwin, et. al. have other good uses for their time. Tony wrote: 5. Please don't call foren Goans 'bootlickers' it hurts their pride,Use 'toa
[Goanet] Poor American
There is a tendency among some Goans to look at America with rose tinted glasses. This little joke among one of the forwards I received will put things in the proper prespective. Poor Americans John Smith started the day early. having set his alarm clock (MADE IN JAPAN ) for 6 am. While his coffeepot (MADE IN CHINA) was perking, he shaved with his electric razor (MADE IN HONG KONG) He put on a dress shirt (MADE IN SRI LANKA), designer jeans (MADE IN SINGAPORE) and tennis shoes (MADE IN KOREA) After cooking his breakfast in his new electric skillet (MADE IN INDIA) he sat down with his calculator (MADE IN MEXICO) to see how much he could spend today. After setting his watch (MADE IN TAIWAN ) to the radio (MADE IN INDIA ) he got in his car (MADE IN GERMANY ) filled it with GAS (from Saudi Arabia ) and continued his search for a good paying AMERICAN JOB. At the end of yet another discouraging and fruitless day checking his Computer (made in MALAYSIA ), John decided to relax for a while. He put on his sandals (MADE IN BRAZIL), poured himself a glass of wine (MADE IN FRANCE) and turned on his TV (MADE IN INDONESIA), and then wondered why he can't find a good paying job in AMERICA AND NOW HE'S HOPING HE CAN GET HELP FROM A PRESIDENT MADE IN KENYA GOD BLESS AMERICA. UP THE STARS AND STRIPES. -- Tony de Sa tonyd...@gmail.com M : +91 9975 162 897 -Ph. : +91 832 2470 148 ^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v
[Goanet] Goanet] Citizenship issue...
Hats off to you Fred for the post. You have succintely communicated what the issue is and how it can be resolved. regards, Samir
[Goanet] God and You
Albert writes"- Before Jesus came down to the earth people believed in all types of gods. Some believed in Bhel. others believed in Ra which is the sun god. Here there were lots of members. These members were divided into clans the head of the clan had a coin shaped crop cut on the back of the head. Each of these heads would elect one head who covered his crop cut with a purple cap.He carried a stave which was curved. The top most leader wore a white cap on the back of his head. Each of the leaders made wafers of wheat and dried in the sun. To focus rays of the sun they used magnifying lens . The sun burnt wafers was then distributed among its members. The feast of sun god was celebrated on 25th December with much fun fare. The egyptians believed in many dieties. Jesus tried to change the jews. You are aware what Jesus did. After the death and resurection of Jesus and later his ascension those who were for Jesus called themselves believers. This group was never accepted in the area and suffered lots of persecution. They got support only when constantine became the king and he became the head of the church and then Rome became the head place of christianity. The whole religion found by Jesus Christ by shedding His blood got converted into Palace and sofiscation and hierchary. _ New Windows 7: Simplify what you do everyday. Find the right PC for you. http://windows.microsoft.com/shop
Re: [Goanet] fool's paradise
From: "J. Colaco < jc>" << family planning. How do you, Samir, know what truly is a 'married man's love for a girl friend'? ***Catholic priests and nuns are excellent marriage counsellors. You (Samirbab) wrote the following (and even asked a question): True love is characterized by commitment. If a married man has true love for his girl friend, he will divorce his wife and marry his girlfriend. It is unfortunate if you havent still figured this out, Jose. RESPONSE: Thank you Samirbab. Even Fr. Ivo would be proud of your answer. ***Of course, there are excellent marriage counselling centres run by Catholic priests and sisters throughout the world. I'd, however, say the following: Commitment is NOT a one-way street. I definitely would NOT know about a Married person having a girlfriend. Would you? ***Let the married person "sacrifice" his "girl-friend"... > What do you say? Do you realise WHY I would not seek advice on Marriage (or Girl Friends) from a RC priest...? ***You are totally wrong, marriage courses are given by priests throughout the country, as well as abroad. Young people are having excellent counsellors among Catholic priests and sisters. You may stick to your opinions! > I'd venture to say that both you and the RC priest know equally about Marriage, and that, my dear Samirbab - is not very much. ***You are totally wrong, Catholic priests and sisters may know much more than you about love, marriage and family problems... I am praying that both you and the RC priests can somehow modify that situation sometime soon (:-) ***There is not need... Regards. Fr.Ivo
Re: [Goanet] Citizenship issue...
@ Frederick Noronha: Rico must be congratulated for putting so succinctly what the RGs feel. As an example of what an ex-pat can do for his country, I would like to mention Sam Pitroda. Sam left the States where he was very well of having a number of patents under his belt and chose to work for India for a pittance of one dollar a year. Today, if at all, I am able to communicate with you on Goanet via broadband, it is thanks to Sam and Rajiv Gandhi who took the initiative to invite him to India and take up the telecom project. For more information:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Pitroda I am sure we have lots of NRGs who can contribute to Goa's prosperity and improved future I can also quote the example of a Goan who was a refugee from Uganda, got admission to Goa Engineering College on a freeship as a Uganda Refugee and who promptly migrated to Canada after graduation. A total loss to the Goa Government. To add insult to injury, he curses Goa and the Government. In konkani we describe such a situation as 'khata tea panar aagta" -- \\\ Tony de Sa tonyd...@gmail.com M : +91 9975 162 897 Ph. : +91 832 2470 148 ^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v
[Goanet] God and You
Albert writes:- In continuation to what I had written earlier.Then came the split in the christian church. Various demoniations were born. We had lutherians, etc etc which broke up from the main body. The flow was big and to keep the remaining faithfuls Mary was born.Then came the apparitians and news spread that Mary wanted us to say the rosary. So the church converted Jesus into Mary centred church and told people that if you start devotions to Mary you will be saved. The church till today lays emphasis to say the Rosary and gives very little importance to Bible. The bible passages are used only at the three readings in mass. The church has introduced daily flash to keep the people away from reading the bible minutely.If one reads the Bible with the help of God there is bound to get revealations and one will definetly find that the church is not Jesus oriented. _ Windows 7: Simplify what you do everyday. Find the right PC for you. http://windows.microsoft.com/shop
Re: [Goanet] Citizenship issue...
Samir, I changed the subjectline (dropped half of it), because I don't want this interesting debate to become an insulting one, targeting certain individuals or questioning them personally. If you feel others have done the same to you in the past, you should overlook it with magnamity, I feel. 2010/1/13 Samir Kelekar > Even a kid knows that citizenship is the only thing that > decides political rights in a country. I think those who disagree with you have managed to derail your arguments by converting this into a debate over "political rights". To me, it is just a question of credibility while taking such a stance. It is very, very easy to split from, or divorce the woman/man you once loved, and to curse her/him for all perceived faults, real or imaginary. It's more difficult to live with a person's failings, well past the honeymoon period, and appreciate them for what they are, shortcomings and all. This, to me, is the relationship between expats (and RGs, and Tony called them in his very interesting post) and Goa! For me to criticise someone else's culture, religion, State, country, language, political beliefs, ideology or perspectives is the easiest thing in the world. To appreciate the failings of my own is the challenge. The other point is that it is easy to grab a safety-boat to an island of prosperity and the 'better life', and then point to the vessel we have deserted as being a sinking ship. I think every expat who is today lecturing and hectoring Goa and India (including, but not restricted to Mario Goveia, Rajan Parrikar, Jose Colaco, et al) have a huge debt of India and Goa. They gained from the Nehruvian-"Kangres" social infrastructure that made them into Toledians, IITians or dotors with skills good enough to take on the world. They got a highly subsidised education (in the 1970s, we believed it costed Rs 100,000 to build a single doctor) and then took their education and then sold it cheap to an affluent part of the world, which probably needs it the least. As an aside, hats off to you for opting to work in India; I hope and pray that you can make a difference to a region which badly needs your skills. Whether it is the much-decried "Bengaluru" (not the sarcasm with which this name is used... I have fond memories of the place) or Timbucktoo. For me, someone deploying skills where it is most needed is more important than ethnic ties, accidents of birth, religion, or other such connects. Some of our expats believe they are doing a big favour to Goa and India by sending back money to their family and relatives. This is almost made to seem as if they are offering alms to Goa. Mineowners and hoteliers in tourism similarly point to the foreign exchange they earn "for Goa"; I think they are doing nobody a favour but just earning money for themselves and using it to meet their own, their extended family, or business needs... in either case. While the initiatives of a Dr Anil Desai to build the social and educational infrastructure in his area are to be appreciated, it would be even nicer if the expats could (i) work to improve their attitude to their original home, an unappreciated and kicked-in-the-you-know-where land which often gave them much in a way that made a crucial difference to their lives and (ii) try to share skills and be positive instead of making a self-fulfilling prophecy about how terrible the Third World situation really is. With all the problem around, is it possible to "be positive", someone might ask. Firstly, the problems are often a question of perception. Do we want to blame a few controversial politicians, and focus entirely on them... or see the potential of a tiny population that has done a lot for itself despite all the challenges? Secondly, I'm sure all the oncologists and specialists on Goanet and elsewhere would not condemn even a person suffering from the final stages of terminal cancer. This is assuming Goa is suffering from the societal equivalent of terminal cancer, a thesis I strongly doubt, despite all attempts made to project it as such ... for political and other reasons. Someone was one telling me how clean a country like the Switzerland really was... till I pointed out that the numbered accounts there, storing the wealth of Third World dicators and despots was not portrayed as corruption. Not to forget also that their multinationals had exported the talent of killing the fertility of local soil with "pesticides" and what not to places like Santa Monica (incidentally, a property sold by the Church, as its name indicates)! There are all kinds of contradictions and tensions -- local, national and international. That's no reason for a section of the expat Goan to act condescending, nasty, patronising and you-guys-don't-know-what-you're-doingish to us lesser mortals back at home. I have never claimed to be deeply in love with Goa, or proud of my Goan identity. To me, that is all an accident of history and birth. But it is a matter of pride when any
Re: [Goanet] All baout Ponnos (Jackfruits)
Dear Joe, I commend your painstaking work. But if you wish to know more about 'Ponnos' (both the juicy and dry types) try and meet a Goan who has done the greatest amount of work in collecting a gene pool of the best varieties of jackfruit from all over South India. Nobody to my knowledge has done anything even faintly resembling the work of this man on 'Ponnos' and cashew. (The Balli-1, Balli-2 and Balli-3 varieties of cashew were developed on his farm, the first by himself, the next two by the ICAR - Indian Council of Agricultural Research -- and he should, hopefully, once the official process of yield certification is complete, maybe two/three from now, provide India's highest-ever yielding cashew variety.) He is popularly known as "Bab Keni" (Prabhakar M. Keni, a decorated Progressive Farmer), who has a mother bank of about 84 different varieties of Jackfruit in his farm at Balli-Cuncolim, from where he annually makes grafts and propagates on a no-profit basis. Bab Keni lives in Sanvorcotto-Cuncolim, but spends a better part of the day at his farm in Balli. I have not asked his permission to share his telephone contacts on a public forum, but if you desire them, e-mail me privately. If you photograph only the variety of trees (not the number!) on his farm, you will produce a book! Best, v On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:11:00 +0530 wrote >Two variety of Goan Jackfruits � 'Rosall' and 'Kapo'
[Goanet] Thought for Today
A wise man can even learn from a fool, a real Goan, non- Goan or an expatriate Goan. Cheers, Joao
Re: [Goanet] From one NRG to another: an open letter.
Tony de Sa wrote, [1] I prefer to be called an RG in preference to a GRG. [2] Also my finances are kindda down now and so I am eagerly awaiting your next remittance. [3] And while you are at it, my relation Xavier needs a visa to the West Indies RESPONSE: Mogal Tonybaba, re #1: It was an open letter, and not directed at any one person. Your preference having been noted, the open letter did not want to discriminate against Goans who may have 'ration cards' in (say) Bangaluru or Chikamangaluru. One cannot have ration cards (hence be resident) in more than one place, Can one? Though, I suppose, Xriman Bakshish could organise anything and everything. re #2: "Next" remittance? What happened to the "previous" one? Spent it all on the proverbial 'sorro'? Tch Tch Tch! >From now on, I will send all "further" remittances by e-fax and directly to the nearest Taverna. re #3: Greetings to your 'relation'. Is that the same as "relative"? Do advise that relative of yours that he/she will need to do better at school, study hard and excel - IF he/she wishes to meet the competition abroad. And also tell him/her that that "postal/print shop certificates" will not do. And yes, do especially tell him/her . that Cricket commentary is NOT the best place to learn about World Geography and the Independence of countries. The West Indies is a geographical term - very much like the term, the Indian sub-continent. There is NO 'visa to the West Indies', just as (I believe) there is NO visa to the Indian subcontinent - often loosely referred to (by the ignoramus pakhle and by others, when convenient) as India. If that terms was true, All the Pakistanis would be known as Indians, while in the UK all the Indians are known as Pakis. Mog is always there. jc
Re: [Goanet] Citizenship issue --- what IQ these people have? - repost
Yes indeed. Tolerant to the extent that even Italians can be Prime Ministers of India :) Nothing wrong here. Is there, now ! Incidentally it just struck me that Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru may have probably prevailed on Dr. Ambedkar to keep a loop-hole in the constitution over who can become Prime Ministers of India so that Lady Mountbatten could fill in the vacuum after him? :) Cheers floriano goasuraj 9890470896 www.goasu-raj.org PS: Perhaps India could have been better off with Edwina Mountbatten, I think :) PPS: Goa's Need of the HourWhat's Zat???..Jennifer Monserrate as Goa's CM??? Y not?? - Original Message - From: "Samir Kelekar" To: "Goanet" Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 4:45 PM Subject: [Goanet] Citizenship issue --- what IQ these people have? .. In fact, countries such as US are even stricter; no person not born in the US can be US President. India is much more liberal and tolerant in that respect.
Re: [Goanet] Roshan Dantis and James Leitao
Hello Eddie i will do in the future did not notice the message on top thanks for pointing out On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Eddie Fernandes wrote: > Hi Arnie, > > Today you forwarded two news items to GoaNet which had just been featured on > Goan Voice. > > If you had been alerted to these items via Goan Voice, I would be grateful > if you could acknowledge this in your postings - see the note on the top > left corner of the GVUK home page. > > If you arrived at these news items independently of Goan Voice, I am > interested to know of your path. > > Best wishes > > Eddie > > > > -Original Message- > From: goanet-boun...@lists.goanet.org > [mailto:goanet-boun...@lists.goanet.org] On Behalf Of armstrong augusto vaz > Sent: 13 January 2010 10:17 > To: goa...@goanet.org > Subject: [Goanet] Roshan Dantis acted with 'chilling composure' > > http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/crime-courts/mundane-routine-of-the-bruta > l-textbook-murderer-1.997921 > > Mundane routine of the brutal textbook murderer > On the surface Roshan Dantis followed such an unremarkable routine on > the day of the murder it would be difficult to see how he could have > been involved. > > >
Re: [Goanet] God and you
Oh my God, Xannea Moidekara, And I thought you knew. FYI, the Church in amchem Goem is 'CATHOLIC'. :) Cheers, floriano goasuraj 9890470896 www.goasu-raj.org PS: The barefoot walking, master critic of his time, crucified for taunting people in authority... who are you, Sir?? Have we met anytime before?? PPS: Goa's Need of the Hour What's Zat???... Change the name plate of Goa Church - Original Message - From: "Xanno Moidecar" To: "goanet" Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 3:54 PM Subject: [Goanet] God and you Or the church in Goem will no longer have the right to claim it is Christian. Sincerely Xanno Moidecar
[Goanet] 7 Non-Congress MLAs get together?
After remaining dormant for almost two years, the group of seven MLAs (comprising of three from Nationalist Congress Party, two from Maharashtrawadi Gomantak Party, one unattached and one independent) has decided to regroup and work together for the development of their constituencies. The sudden decision to formally revive the group along with a meeting of some Congress legislators including a minister, with Mr Atanasio Monserrate, the Education Minister, late on Tuesday evening has made the political scenario fluid with sources in the group indicating that its members wanted change in the state leadership. Mr Monserrate, however, said that the meeting between him and the Congress legislators was just a get together. He admitted that the group has been revived and that it would work as one unit for the common interest of its members. Those present at the meeting were the PWD Minister, Mr Churchill Alemao, Mr Aleixo Reginaldo Lourenco, Mr Agnelo Fernandes, Mr Pandurang Madkaikar and Mr Francisco Silveira. The leader of NCP legislator wing, Mr Jose Philip D’Souza told ‘The Navhind Times’ that the members of the group met on Tuesday and discussed common issues and decided to work together as a group. Mr D’Souza, who is also the Revenue Minister in the government led by Mr Digambar Kamat, said that no other issue was discussed but stressed that the group would function together and take collective decisions. He further said that no other decision was taken. Meanwhile, sources in the Congress party said that the Chief Minister, Mr Digambar Kamat and the Goa Pradesh Congress Committee president, Mr Subhash Shirodkar left for New Delhi on Tuesday afternoon for “party work”. _ Windows Live: Make it easier for your friends to see what you’re up to on Facebook. http://www.microsoft.com/middleeast/windows/windowslive/see-it-in-action/social-network-basics.aspx?ocid=PID23461::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-xm:SI_SB_2:092009
[Goanet] Citizenship issue --- what IQ these people have?
Even a kid knows that citizenship is the only thing that decides political rights in a country. These guys must have real idiotic level IQ to think that they can make any political difference in any country leave alone India without having its citizenship. In fact, countries such as US are even stricter; no person not born in the US can be US President. India is much more liberal and tolerant in that respect. But these guys want to take things to far. One kick where it hurts will straighten these guys. (After all one lathi 40 years back -- and our Josebab still remembers it well.) After all, in the past they have not shown any capability of perseverence or sticking on when things go tough. They have always taken the easy and opportunistic way. regards, Samir PS: As to those shouting about underwears, lick them properly and clean them and then wear them over your head. After all, you are good at licking all kinds of things. Gabriel, hope you are alive in Australia. Talk about your Goan-hood in public and a knife may come at your throat. So, much for your home country.
Re: [Goanet] Ref. Archbishop's letter.
Dear Mervyn, A long time ago the Aldona parish priest rang the Church bells in the dead of the night to frive away the robbing Ranes of Goa, where, in the bargain, the ring-leader of the Ranes was believed to have been shot dead thro' a well placed gun-shot fired from the choir. The second time the Aldona Church bells rang was to stop illegal construction of a 'gumpti' overnight at the Aldona market cicle where Prof. Eduardo D'Souza's bust is installed presently, while the Se cathedral bells remain silent inspite of a hedious gumpti being very much at home on the cathedral's grounds. Moira church bells ring because Moidekars are pixe and nobody gives a damn. However, the Colva Church bells have set a precedent which is going to live with us for a while. "You (parish priest) don't like any one person in the village because he is a thorn in your backside, then ring the church bells, gather the well meaning idiots of the village to chase him out after burning his house and hurting his family. This, my dear Mervyn, is the modern day teachings of Jesus Christ. And why not? Don't each one of us want him to be a rascal he was not??? Cheers floriano goasuraj 9890470896 www.goasu-raj.org PS: Why don't entire Goa's Chuch Bells peal, Goa march to the Bishop's Palace to ask him to stand tall?? Looks like his grace is shorter by a few milimeters :-)). PPS: Goa's Need of the HourWhat's Zat??? . prominent citizens/leaders standing tall to be counted?? - Original Message - From: "Mervyn Lobo" To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 8:31 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Ref. Archbishop's letter. floriano wrote: It looks like speech writers and letter drafters are putting things on paper for the head of the Church to read out or to post. And these speech writers and letter drafters must be reputable lawyers and politicians. This whole thing stinks to high heavens. floriano, You sort of disappoint me. If I remember correctly, you bursted onto the Goanet scene, last century, with a complaint about the ringing of church bells in your village. Today, both you and the Archbishop have chosen not to address the issue of the ringing of the church bells to call the 'faithful' to order. And the 'order' was to march to and stone someone house and property. We live in interesting times... Mervyn1128Lobo
[Goanet] 10 Small Ways to Make the World a Better Place - Stepcase Lifehack
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[Goanet] Goan doctor in London offers Rs 10 lakh for Indian hockey players
Thanks Armstong. I really hope the world knows about this. Did it not make it to the BBC??? All I see is that the strike has been lifted since dues have been cleared. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8455767.stm UP CM Mayawati promises a miliam. (Speculatio: Vici?!!). And the Kal-man (Arre baba dukra --- lamtya, attan tukam "reasonable" mhunon gomlem) saith: "We have sorted out the problem," Indian sports official Suresh Kalmadi said. "The players have given us a list of demands, and most of them are reasonable." In future people in the know, break the news to the BBC, not for any reason but their reach. If one can access that, then its another critical strand in moderating discourse and slapping the satraps of the shit-eating grins. Btw, I hope that the arrogance on part of the hockey personnel and their ridicule (not the players) does not go up a few notches. Its like spouse abuse. I really hope they do not take it personally -- one of our worst Indian traits. venantius j pinto > Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 13:15:44 +0300 > From: armstrong augusto vaz > To: goa...@goanet.org > Subject: [Goanet] Goan doctor in London offers Rs 10 lakh for Indian >hockey players > (del) > Hockey Olympian and former chief coach Joaquim Carvalho said that Dr > James Leitao, a former student of Mumbai's Grand Medical College, has > decided to pay Rs 10 lakh for the protesting players, requesting them > to return to the camp and train for the World Cup which begins in New > Delhi on February 28. > > (del) > > Besides, Dr Leitao, who himself played hockey in London leagues, also > promised to donate his Goa residence to the Indian players if they > manage a podium finish in the World Cup. > > "If they manage the feat, it would be upto the players, what they want > to do with the property -- sell, rent or utilise the facility," > Carvalho added. >
[Goanet] All baout Ponnos (Jackfruits)
Two variety of Goan Jackfruits 'Rosall' and 'Kapo' Or Just ‘Ponnos’ and ‘Borkoi’ in salcette a big fat jackfruit http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk2/84920309/ at least 10 on this tree http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk17/3389780944/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk8/472801486/ Jackfruit bulbs (gore) http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk18/3465789998/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk8/516116221/ This one leaning on the ground http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk18/3422236564/ seeds/nuts (Biknnam) http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk8/516090468/ 350 year old http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk20/3707575355/ Related: Ponssa Pan (for fole/pudde, xenot/viddi etc) http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk1/2735420578/ Ponnsa Pank (sticky gum for trapping parrots etc) Ponnsa Sattam (Rosall Bulb/gore grinded and dried) http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk4/307445126/sizes/o/ Ponnsa moder (Wood for furniture like doors, chairs, tabled, beds etc) http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk18/3479800036/ Ponnsa Char (left over portion after removing bulbs/gore) Ponnsa rompi Ponnsa sal Ponnsa dhink Ponnsa zadd/ruk Proverbs: Daddoun pikoilolea ponnsak ghost asona Ponnos kitloi dampun ou lipoun dovor, tacho vas eilea bhogor ravona Voklen nak-naka munn deddxem ghore khaile please add more info (if you know) joego...@yahoo.co.uk for Goa & NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Yahoo! Homepage. http://in.yahoo.com/
[Goanet] God and you
I apologise to Albert for jumping to the conclusion that he was taking pot shots at the Catholics because he had changed his church. His bit about ‘meeting the wrong saint and Mary not wanting us to say the rosary’, sent me awry. The fact that he is still a practicing Catholic, I obviously welcome, but should have no bearing on anyone pointing out the flaws of my church. If someone rightly points out a fault, we Catholics must thank them and work toward correcting it. Albert's allegations about priests of the church is unassailable. No one can rightfully dispute his charge. I grew up being constantly told that ‘padricho sermao vhonienk nhoi’; a priest’s sermon is not meant for his sister-in-law. This I put down to human nature. Something we hope and pray that GOD in his mercy and magnanimity will help us overcome. I am feeling a bit sensitive about the church in Goem at the moment. I still am not sure of all the facts. However, one thing is clear: if the church in Colva was used as a base to mount an attack on someone who has been critical of a servant of Christ; irrespective of whether the criticism is right or wrong or vested or not; the teachings of our founder exhort us to turn the other cheek. Whether the critics of the ‘padri’ were driven by hatred for him or his church is immaterial. It is even not relevant that they were touting the truth. If malicious slander is being flouted proper legal channels should be accessed. Violence has never been acceptable to the church of the Christ. It is not an option for the church in Goem. The Patriarch must make this very clear. He must stress unequivocally this cornerstone of Christianity. Or the church in Goem will no longer have the right to claim it is Christian. Sincerely Xanno Moidecar
[Goanet] Roshan Dantis acted with ‘chilling co mposure’
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/crime-courts/mundane-routine-of-the-brutal-textbook-murderer-1.997921 Mundane routine of the brutal textbook murderer On the surface Roshan Dantis followed such an unremarkable routine on the day of the murder it would be difficult to see how he could have been involved. En route to his friend’s house in Glasgow at midday on June 1 last year he bought a pint of milk from Iceland – an act so routine that it would raise no-one’s suspicion. He then took a taxi under a false name to visit Kusbu Shah, 23, his friend’s wife in Dennistoun. Mrs Shah had only met Dantis once previously but knew that he and her husband were close friends. Then he took a taxi home, met his wife Astrid and went to see the latest blockbuster at Cineworld on Renfrew Street. Later that evening he went online and renewed his loan of Kathy Reichs’s book, Devil Bones, that he had borrowed from Strathclyde University. I don’t know of any case in Scotland with evidence to suggest this level of pre-meditation Detective Superintendent Michael Orr It seemed like the most ordinary of days for the Strathclyde University masters student. However, it was while at his friend’s house that he committed a murder he had spent more than six weeks planning. After the young, 5ft 1ins mother opened the door, Dantis restrained her, put tape over her mouth, attacked her with a cleaver, strangled her and severed her head and hands. In the bath he drained her body of blood, following procedures he had read about in both Reichs’s book and the Forensic Case Book, which he also had at home. Shortly afterwards he sent an anonymous text message to his classmate and friend Nagendra Shah using the mobile phone of the woman he had just killed. The text said his wife had been abducted. Dantis, 30, had only been in the country for nine months. Originally from Goa in India, he and his wife Astrid were in Glasgow while he studied for a masters at Strathclyde University. At night he worked as a security guard for G4S and was based predominantly at Celtic Park. By day, the engineering student, was studying business. His entries to online forums suggest he was interested in attending further courses in information technology. It was while on the masters course that he met Nagendra Shah and his wife. The Shahs had recently sold a property in London and were thinking about opening a restaurant in the Shetland Islands. They owned a car and television and had a four-year-old son called Nikhil, while Dantis lived in “straitened financial circumstances”. Jealousy is thought, in part, to have driven his actions. In April last year Dantis began to make lists. One such list detailed what he needed to buy and included a Chinese meat cleaver, a balaclava, bleach, DIY tape and a clothes cover. He also compiled a set of instructions labelled “chain of events” including “change to other clothes”, “wait in room” and “finish the job”. In Argos he bought the holdall that he would ultimately use to dispose of Mrs Shah’s torso. Computer experts found that he had also visited Strathclyde Police’s website and accessed a web page named “suspicious death Dennistoun” and, on June 7, he had searched for free legal aid in Glasgow. Reichs’s book, which focuses on a forensic pathologist’s investigation of ritualistic killings in the US, proved to be a major part of his inspiration and set the tone of his own modus operandi. In it the pathologist, Dr Temperance Brennan, discovers sacrificial Voodoo and Santeria paraphernalia, cauldrons and a decapitated torso drained of blood. The investigation ultimately reveals that the cauldrons are a red herring being used to confuse the police. When Nagendra Shah, 32, received a text message saying his wife had been abducted he was terrified. His wife had failed to meet him at lunchtime as planned and the text was from her phone. It said: “We have your wife. Don’t call police we are watching you. If anyone is told we will kill her and you.” It went on to instruct him to arrange for £120,000 to be gathered and for him to go immediately by train to London. The message also stated: “No compromise or you all die. Further instructions will follow soon once you are in London. Delete this message, no records to be kept. Nobody will be harmed if you follow instructions.” As a means of proving he would be willing to co-operate he was told to take his television and sell it to one of his university classmates – a Mr Dantis – and that the abductors would be watching. Distraught, when Mr Shah spoke to his close friend Dantis he urged him to pay the money and not contact the police. Ignoring his advice he telephoned the police and remembered Dantis’s face went dark. Strathclyde Police began a major kidnap inquiry involving more than 100 officers and round the clock surveillance teams. Dantis was placed under surveillance as the suspected kidnapper but officers believed he was working with others. They watched him go into
[Goanet] How to Lick Bad Breath and Dry Mouth | LiveScience
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[Goanet] Goan doctor in London offers Rs 10 lakh for Indian hockey players
NEW DELHI: Pained by the hockey turmoil, an Indian doctor in London has offered Rs 10 lakh for the players who are staying away from World Cup preparatory camp in Pune in protest against non-payment of their dues and incentives. Hockey Olympian and former chief coach Joaquim Carvalho said that Dr James Leitao, a former student of Mumbai's Grand Medical College, has decided to pay Rs 10 lakh for the protesting players, requesting them to return to the camp and train for the World Cup which begins in New Delhi on February 28. "Dr Leitao has urged the players to put behind their difference and rejoin the camp to represent India in the World Cup," Carvalho said. "He happened to read about the stand-off between the players and Hockey India and said he was rather disturbed over the imbroglio. "That's why he decided to pay the money and also promised to contact hockey-minded Indian friends in England and raise more money for the players," he said. Besides, Dr Leitao, who himself played hockey in London leagues, also promised to donate his Goa residence to the Indian players if they manage a podium finish in the World Cup. "If they manage the feat, it would be upto the players, what they want to do with the property -- sell, rent or utilise the facility," Carvalho added. Earlier, negotiation collapsed between the players and HI in Pune, creating a new low for Indian hockey.
[Goanet] Is Goan Indian?
I accept that birth is one of the criteria that allow a person to claim citizenship of a country. But this reminds me of the late British comedian Bernard Manning known for his xenophobic commentaries. One of his quips that always drew a big laugh from the racists amongst his audience was: “Just because a bitch gives birth in a stable does not make her puppies racehorses.” Now Mr Alvares, unpleasantly put as that was, tell me what besides birth makes you an Indian. Also what does it make those born before 1963 when Goem was part of the Portuguese nation? What about all those Goemcars born outside Goem? I stress again, I do not want to insult you or your obvious pride in your Indian citizenship. I am just worried that our pride and patriotism in our Indian-ness may be making us blind to the damage that Liberation has brought along with freedom and relative liberty. I am still trying to make sense of the fact that in 1963 after having rid ourselves of the influences that drastically altered, if not destroyed our traditional culture; we have now been saddled with a plethora of other Indian nationalities vying like hell to make Goem in their own image. I would have been extremely proud to declare my affection and pride in my mul Indian heritage if only my Goemcar one had been preserved and not swamped by an overwhelming tsunami bent on subjugating Goemcar-ponn and pouring in torrents from the rest of the subcontinent. Sincerely Xanno Moidecar
[Goanet] Talking photos: Which one of the two is a Church?
Which one is a chapel or church? they both almost adjacent to each other It is at Aquem Margao (near Cine Vishant) This was captured from the bus - on way to Chandor 3 kings feast This one http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukchurches/4271297018/sizes/l/ or http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukchurches/4258945844/sizes/l/ joego...@yahoo.co.uk for Goa & NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Yahoo! Homepage. http://in.yahoo.com/
[Goanet] Talking Photos: Penha de Franca - Views from the other sides
Penha de Franca - Views from other sides from the river (Mandovi) http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukchurches/4253534569/sizes/l/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukchurches/4253533085/sizes/o/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukchurches/4254298884/sizes/l/ Other view (Britona) http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukchurches/4217687704/sizes/l/ inside (main Altar) http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukchurches/4005206297/ from Ribanbdar (Patto) http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk19/3488181709/sizes/l/ from Ribandar top -beautiful http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk19/3564512475/sizes/l/ from Bambolim http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk19/3651156249/sizes/l/ joego...@yahoo.co.uk for Goa & NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Yahoo! Homepage. http://in.yahoo.com/
[Goanet] From one RG to another an open letter.
Dear Brother and Sister R G's. It is a common perception among NRGs, that : 1. Each and every one of our RGs is a good-for-nothing waiting only for a hand out from the NRG brothers and sisters and waiting with an open mouth for the next visa to fall from their NRG relations. 2. Goa is a mess and that we are incapable of doing anything about it. But they forget, that it is we and only we that can effectively change what is happening in Goa. They can only preach and give us advice which is based on their own frame of reference which no longer holds validity in the reality of Goa today. 3. So Goa is corrupt. So Goa has open cast mines. America has no corruption? Nor Britain, nor France, nor Germany, nor Australia? So you my dear NRG friends will have me and my other gullible brothers believe that these countries are pristine. Of course you have corruption but it is guised in a semblance of legality like the CEO of a company (I think it was Lehman Bros) who took millions just to liquidate the company. And no, there is no Mafia - these hoods belong to backward countries like India and in particular the state of Goa. There is no open cast mining? What about the rape of the land in the American coal mines? What about the human tragedy that we read about? And what about the destruction to the environment that has been caused by the west. Our NRG irmaoes endorse these things - after all the West can do no wrong. What about the nuclear bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki even when the Americans knew that the Japanese were losing the war - that was perfectly 4.We can only be saved by the advice rather the 'pontificating' of some NRGs from their comfort zones. 5. Please don't call foren Goans 'bootlickers' it hurts their pride,Use 'toadies' or some such term. 6. Please don't remind the NRGs - at least those who pontificate on Goanet that they are 'second class' citizens of their newly acquired nationalities 7. Please remind the NRGs that they are free to go walkabout in Harlem, Soho, etc whenever they feel like. It is perfectly safe. 8. Please don't ever tell them, 'Mid pleasures and palaces though we may roam,Be it ever so humble, there's no place like home;' -- Tony de Sa tonyd...@gmail.com M : +91 9975 162 897 Ph. : +91 832 2470 148 ^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v
[Goanet] Good figure is good for health
Good figure is good for health! See link below: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8451674.stm Regards, GL
Re: [Goanet] Ref. Archbishop's letter.
floriano wrote: > It looks like speech writers and letter drafters are putting things on paper > for the head of > the Church to read out or to post. And these speech writers and letter > drafters must be > reputable lawyers and politicians. This whole thing stinks to high heavens. floriano, You sort of disappoint me. If I remember correctly, you bursted onto the Goanet scene, last century, with a complaint about the ringing of church bells in your village. Today, both you and the Archbishop have chosen not to address the issue of the ringing of the church bells to call the 'faithful' to order. And the 'order' was to march to and stone someone house and property. We live in interesting times... Mervyn1128Lobo __ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com.
[Goanet] Daily Grook #607
DAILY GROOK #607 = COWARD DEFLOWERED = by Francis Rodrigues i say milky rebels be put to da sword, for moo'tineeer is really a cow word! *GREAT NEW YEAR GIFT* http://www.KonkaniSongBook.com === sheet-music,tab,lyrics,chords of great Konkani pop hits GOA: PEDRO FERNANDES: Tel.2226642 FURTADOS: Tel.2223278 === http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=119017685910 _ Say Happy New Year with Messenger for Mobile. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9706117
Re: [Goanet] CUNCOLIM Invitation / Newsletter January 2010
Dear Nassim and team: Kindly check out Cuncolim-Net http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cuncolim-net/ Do join and post! FN 2010/1/13 Nassim Desouza : > Dear Fellow Goans/ Friends/Cuncolkars > We are proud to present the Cuncolim Newsletter 2010 > and Invitation, to keep > all you wonderful people who support ... > and encourage us year after year, informed of Cuncolim Welfare Trust-Mumbai > activities, Aims and aspirations > for a better future for Our Village- Cuncolim-GOA! > Thank you and God Bless... -- Frederick Noronha Columnist :: journalism :: editing :: alt.publishing :: photography :: blogging
Re: [Goanet] Mestisos of Goa --- where are they?
This is an interesting question about the whereabouts of "mestisos". Perhaps they're closer than you think. Of the people of Goan ancestry within my generation with who I have either met or corresponded over the years, the majority of them always claim Portuguese ancestry. It's almost always in some form of: "My great-great-grandfather was Portguese you know!" This has left the impression with many non-Goans (including other south-Asians) that almost *all* Goan Catholics are some varying degree of "mestiso". I'm no expert in population genetics but, if this apparently common claim of "one Portguese ancestor" is true, then as these Goans married each other and continued to produce offspring, there would be Goans out there with at least *two* or more Portuguese ancestors... right? Yet many seem stick to that claim of the one "great-great-grandfather" or whatever. I always found it a bit humorous. ;-) Happy 2010 everyone... Neal Pinto pintomu...@gmail.com http://www.pintomusic.com On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 12:56 AM, Samir Kelekar wrote: > Jose writes: >>I believe the operative word is "Emigrating"! > > You are right; on the other hand, so long as > the audience gets it, "Babu Shabu pok difference!" > > regards, > Samir > > > >
Re: [Goanet] From one NRG to another: an open letter.
In response to (J. Colaco < jc>) Mogal Dotor Bab, I prefer to be called an RG in preference to a GRG. Also my finances are kindda down now and so I am eagerly awaiting your next remittance. And while you are at it, my relation Xavier needs a visa to the West Indies as the climate here is becoming unbearable for him. ;-) Mog soddanch assundi ani Ammrikki dollarancho paus poddunm amcher. -- \\\ Tony de Sa tonyd...@gmail.com M : +91 9975 162 897 Ph. : +91 832 2470 148 ^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v
[Goanet] Rights of NRGs (Was: Fascinating developments on Goanet)
-Original Message- From: Samir Kelekar > NRGs holding Indian passports have legal rights to take part in Indian politics. RESPONSE: Can Non-Resident Goans (NRGs) participate in the Indian electoral process?? Yes! Can they vote? No? Why not? They do not have a Voter Card? Why not? They do not have a Ration Card? Why not?? They do not live in Goa? So what? They are Goan - own homes, pay taxes, etc. Just Non-Resident at the time of elections. If they can vote, do they?? No? Voter apathy, perhaps?? Voter turnout in Indian elections in 2009 was 59-60%. While the turnout in Goa was 55%, the turnout in the metros can be classified as appalling - Pune - 40%, Mumbai - 43%, Bangalore - 46%. So what good is having legal rights, when Indians in general and Goans in particular are not interested in exercising those rights? - B REFERENCES: http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/politics/59-60-percent-voter-turnout-in-election-2009-lead_100192031.html http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/india-news/55-voter-turn-out-in-second-phase-of-lok-sabha-polls_100183770.html http://epaper.mailtoday.in/352009/epaperpdf/352009-md-hr-23.pdf http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_turnout