Re: [Goanet] Freedom Fighters
Hear tell that 90 percent of so-called Freedom Fighters are fake. All they care for is the free pension. Since the Portuguese were driven out 52 years ago, the current crop of so-called Freedom Fighters were tiny tots at the time. The real Freedom Fighters would be Octogenerians or Nonogenerians if still alive. Vivian A. DSouza socorrokar at yahoo.com
[Goanet] Freedom Fighters
If Goa Police fought crime and Goa Firefighters fought fires, what did Goa Freedom Fighters fight? Roland. Sent from Samsung Mobile
Re: [Goanet] Freedom Fighters
Rolly - i knew guys who refused to pay at eating places because i am Vietnam. He now personified that war. Only, this 'fighter' is not likely to admit that he was stoned on cheap smokes and barely performed in the field. The cause in Goa cannot be questioned. The question to ask is who decided to turn it into a no losers lottery stake. eric. On Thursday, November 28, 2013 10:22 AM, roland.francis roland.fran...@ymail.com wrote: If Goa Police fought crime and Goa Firefighters fought fires, what did Goa Freedom Fighters fight? Roland. Sent from Samsung Mobile
[Goanet] freedom fighters
Hi Gabe, It is a profound shame that our Goan brothers and sisters who die without adequate representation or destitute have to go through such humiliation at their final exit. I am sure that we can do better. I am surprised that the elderly Goan bachelor from Mombasa had to be perhaps buried in a pauper's grave despite having funds and this in a country like the U.K. where one would expect there to be better facilities for the authorities to coordinate information regarding funds etc in order to afford a person a burial utilizing his own funds.Tell me something Gabe, did you try to assist this poor soul and if so, could you publish the procedure so as to assist future such cases? I think we as a community should also establish a fund to ensure that our brothers and sisters who die in dire circumstances in any part of the world do receive a decent burial. I would not hesitate to contribute to such a fund. Manuel (Eddie) Tavares.
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On 11 March 2013 23:21, manuel tavares duk...@bell.net wrote: Hi Gabe, It is a profound shame that our Goan brothers and sisters who die without adequate representation or destitute have to go through such humiliation at their final exit. I am sure that we can do better. I am surprised that the elderly Goan bachelor from Mombasa had to be perhaps buried in a pauper's grave despite having funds and this in a country like the U.K. where one would expect there to be better facilities for the authorities to coordinate information regarding funds etc in order to afford a person a burial utilizing his own funds.Tell me something Gabe, did you try to assist this poor soul and if so, could you publish the procedure so as to assist future such cases? I think we as a community should also establish a fund to ensure that our brothers and sisters who die in dire circumstances in any part of the world do receive a decent burial. I would not hesitate to contribute to such a fund. Manuel (Eddie) Tavares. RESPONSE: I had in the past helped the man in question. I was on vacation in Goa when he died. I was informed that a person who was intimate with him was taking care of the whole committal. That being the case everyone stood back and waited and waited. It is now three months since the passing away and all calls to the person concerned are deflected. There has been no notice of the Death let alone the funeral in the local GVUK. What I have heard came from a good source but cannot be verified. -- DEV BOREM KORUM Gabe Menezes.
Re: [Goanet] freedom fighters
Dear Gabe, You write: We had to help our parents as well as our children. The next generation are not obliged. And that is indeed a shame, but not all members of the next generation behave in such an uncaring manner. Regards, Victor --- On Wed, 3/6/13, Gabe Menezes gabe.mene...@gmail.com wrote: From: Gabe Menezes gabe.mene...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Goanet] freedom fighters To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Date: Wednesday, March 6, 2013, 5:23 AM On 26 February 2013 21:57, manuel tavares duk...@bell.net wrote: Regarding to Eugene Correia's Article: It is a pity that Laura has ended in this state. I had the privilege to attend her Lecture, when she came to Kenya with Prof Lucio Rodrigues. She was elegant in her white Sari and spoke so well and passionately. Perhaps as you say, in old age, she was overcome by maladies which affect the human brain. It was very disheartening to learn that the Goa Freedom Fighters Association did not issue a condolence message. Perhaps it is as Shakespeare put it . The Evil that we do lives after us the good is oft' interred with our bones. So let it be with Laura. For those who knew her, her passion and devotion to the cause of Goa's Liberation cannot be forgotten and perhaps history will be kind to her and afford her her rightful place in Goa's Dossier. Manuel (Eddie) Tavares. COMMENT: It is not just a pity but a profound tragedy when kith and kin will not come forward to do the right thing. At lease she got a burial with all rites performed. Here is an announcement courtesy GVUK:- *Looking For: Family of Eluina Louzado (Nairobi)* 5 Mar: Goan Welfare Society, Nairobi. Mrs Eluina Louzado, aged 86 passed away recently in in Nairobi. Her Baptism name is Josephine. Her children are Gregory, William and Freda and are believed to be in the UK. Please contact by Email gwsnew...@gmail.com Then there is the case of an elderly Bachelor Goan who died in St. George's Hospital Tooting,( Ex Mombasa) nobody knows whether he was given a decent burial - there is talk that he was given a pauper's grave along with 12 others. The Goans of Tooting know about this man and I find it hard to believe that no one approached the Goan Welfare Service for assistance. He did not die penniless, he had two people as co signatories on his Bank accounts - I know his because he had told me so. The time has come, that one should not rely on children or family. My generation was caught with a double whammy, we had to help our parents as well as our children. The next generation are not obliged. -- DEV BOREM KORUM Gabe Menezes.
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On 7 March 2013 13:13, Victor Rangel-Ribeiro vrangel...@yahoo.com wrote: Dear Gabe, You write: We had to help our parents as well as our children. The next generation are not obliged. And that is indeed a shame, but not all members of the next generation behave in such an uncaring manner. Regards, Victor Deart Victor, You are indeed correct and both Lily and I are fortunate to have brought up our two sons having good morals. We hope they stay that way. I was ghastly that Laura's daughter intimated to the Nuns that she could not help her mother Laura. Then there was a word sent by the grand daughter and a son in Canada stating that they would intervene. Alas she had to be buried by the Nuns. Now hopefully Mrs Louzado of Nairobi will be buried by her children, otherwise the burden will surely fall on the Nairobi Goan Welfare Service. The London, Tooting incident is an indictment on not only the Goans of Tooting but in a way on all Goans residing in London and especially the powers that be within the Goan Community here in the U.K. -- DEV BOREM KORUM Gabe Menezes.
Re: [Goanet] freedom fighters
On 26 February 2013 21:57, manuel tavares duk...@bell.net wrote: Regarding to Eugene Correia's Article: It is a pity that Laura has ended in this state. I had the privilege to attend her Lecture, when she came to Kenya with Prof Lucio Rodrigues. She was elegant in her white Sari and spoke so well and passionately. Perhaps as you say, in old age, she was overcome by maladies which affect the human brain. It was very disheartening to learn that the Goa Freedom Fighters Association did not issue a condolence message. Perhaps it is as Shakespeare put it . The Evil that we do lives after us the good is oft' interred with our bones. So let it be with Laura. For those who knew her, her passion and devotion to the cause of Goa's Liberation cannot be forgotten and perhaps history will be kind to her and afford her her rightful place in Goa's Dossier. Manuel (Eddie) Tavares. COMMENT: It is not just a pity but a profound tragedy when kith and kin will not come forward to do the right thing. At lease she got a burial with all rites performed. Here is an announcement courtesy GVUK:- *Looking For: Family of Eluina Louzado (Nairobi)* 5 Mar: Goan Welfare Society, Nairobi. Mrs Eluina Louzado, aged 86 passed away recently in in Nairobi. Her Baptism name is Josephine. Her children are Gregory, William and Freda and are believed to be in the UK. Please contact by Email gwsnew...@gmail.com Then there is the case of an elderly Bachelor Goan who died in St. George's Hospital Tooting,( Ex Mombasa) nobody knows whether he was given a decent burial - there is talk that he was given a pauper's grave along with 12 others. The Goans of Tooting know about this man and I find it hard to believe that no one approached the Goan Welfare Service for assistance. He did not die penniless, he had two people as co signatories on his Bank accounts - I know his because he had told me so. The time has come, that one should not rely on children or family. My generation was caught with a double whammy, we had to help our parents as well as our children. The next generation are not obliged. -- DEV BOREM KORUM Gabe Menezes.
Re: [Goanet] freedom fighters
Regarding to Eugene Correia's Article: It is a pity that Laura has ended in this state. I had the privilege to attend her Lecture, when she came to Kenya with Prof Lucio Rodrigues. She was elegant in her white Sari and spoke so well and passionately. Perhaps as you say, in old age, she was overcome by maladies which affect the human brain. It was very disheartening to learn that the Goa Freedom Fighters Association did not issue a condolence message. Perhaps it is as Shakespeare put it . The Evil that we do lives after us the good is oft' interred with our bones. So let it be with Laura. For those who knew her, her passion and devotion to the cause of Goa's Liberation cannot be forgotten and perhaps history will be kind to her and afford her her rightful place in Goa's Dossier. Manuel (Eddie) Tavares.
[Goanet] freedom fighters
Mahtma Gandhi , Nehru and others really fought for the freedom of India and because of their efforts the British thought it wise to leave India into the hands of Indians and they went away.But in Goa some freedom might have made noise, meetings etc but it was the Indian army marched into the territory and used force Goa was liberated. Actually the Portuguese did not sign any documents and what actually took place was capture of the territory by force. I do not know if later on any treaty was signed and that is the reason all those who are born before 1961 are portuguese citizen. It is wrong to give awards to goan freedom fighters or pension .I am not hurting any one but these are my personal views.If I am wrong i want to say sorry i am wrong . I am not a lawyer, I was born much after all these fiasco and am not a portuguese citizen but I feel and want to know what others feel.
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Ana Maria, You are absolutely right, one hundred per cent. Goa's freedom fighters are just freedole farters. One of them who calls himself a veteran FF is Flavian Dias. The only fight for Goa he did was to deliver press notes and press statements issued by Goan activists pushing Goa's liberation from Bombay to the offices of the newspaper there and to beg with Nehru to throw the Portuguese out and take Goa into India for free. Useless people not worth talking about. If at all these guys and gals had self-respect, they would have held Nehru to his promises of not wanting to force Goans join Indian Union if they did not want to. But when Nehru saw these LEMBDES with their tongues out for dole, he took advantage of it all and annexed Goa into India without the mandatory Plebiscite under UN Charter. And yes, their pensions must be stopped and retrospectively re-claimed. Dr Laura D'Souza Rodrigues who recently died a destitute in Mumbai was the real Goa's Freedom Fighter and was even arrested by the Portuguese in Goa when she marched into Goa before the so called liberation. She never got any pension but punks like Flavian Dias did and are rolling in it. At most these people have fallen to Nehrus feet and/ or Bandodkar's feet for Goa's merger into India and Maharashtra respectively. Look at East Timor. They are free and independent people today in spite of Indonesia having occupied and played havoc with them. Timoreans have guts. Our Goan Freedom fighters had only knees strong enough to go down begging for pensions. SHAME ON THEM ALL. They have let Goa and Goans down miserably. Cheers floriano goasuraj PS: The first thing GSRP will do when it comes to power is to stop all pensions to these fake freedom fighters and most probably recover everything retrospectively. - Original Message - From: Ana Maria Fernandes amferns_n...@hotmail.com To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 10:37 PM Subject: [Goanet] freedom fighters Mahtma Gandhi , Nehru and others really fought for the freedom of India and because of their efforts the British thought it wise to leave India into the hands of Indians and they went away.But in Goa some freedom might have made noise, meetings etc but it was the Indian army marched into the territory and used force Goa was liberated. Actually the Portuguese did not sign any documents and what actually took place was capture of the territory by force. I do not know if later on any treaty was signed and that is the reason all those who are born before 1961 are portuguese citizen. It is wrong to give awards to goan freedom fighters or pension .I am not hurting any one but these are my personal views.If I am wrong i want to say sorry i am wrong . I am not a lawyer, I was born much after all these fiasco and am not a portuguese citizen but I feel and want to know what others feel. =
[Goanet] FREEDOM FIGHTERS
Freedom Fighters Wandering around aimlessly for some time in Bombay in the early 1950’s, I stumbled on a selective band of Goans who called themselves freedom fighters (FF’s). By and large the FF’s looked a dejected lot, just as I was myself. And that may well be one of the reasons for having called ourselves ‘hail-fellows-well-met’. However, in a short while I discovered that the most compelling reason why they were on the wrong side of the border was their hatred for a foreign rule in our motherland. From the days of Mahatma Gandhi’s tryst with freedom, one prerequisite to be a ‘freedom fighter’ came to be accepted as a short adventure in an Indian jail. Critics then called it a ‘picnic in prison’. And may be rightly so. In today’s India too, people get into a jail one day, bailed out the next, and everything goes hunky-dory thereafter. On the other hand, Portuguese jails were far removed from the romance of a Presley’s ‘Jailhouse Rock’. They were exactly what lawbreakers deserved to be in. Discipline was what they exacted out of an erring ‘rocker’, and the stick did the trick. However, their aversion to the so-called freedom-fighters roused them to raise that stick even higher. It’s because they branded them as terrorists – the very label that India now puts on Pakistanis marauding across the Kashmiri border, but which label Pakistan itself brushes off as ‘freedom fighters’. Amazing how pots and kettles exchange colours with changing situations. Incidentally, some of the freedom-loving buddies in Bombay were already known to me while in Goa. They were also known for tampering with the strict law and order of the Portuguese regime. Nevertheless, having been influenced by Mahatma Gandhi’s struggle for freedom, a path hugely accentuated by his courtship with prison-cells, the local machos also developed an appetite for freedom of sorts. But what was under suspicion was their determination to fight for it. They tried to emulate the great Mahatma in so far as his sit-in’s were concerned. But his fasts-unto-death dreaded them as death itself. The group that I came to be associated with would hardly miss a morsel for any cause on earth, least of all freedom. Much credit goes to those Goans who put their lives on the block in their pursuit of freedom. However, what became debatable to right thinking men and women in Goa was, whether their motive was to oust one occupier and make way for another; or to take over the reins themselves and let the U.N. declare an addition to the family of nations. But soon their intentions were laid bare. Jawaharlal Nehru’s ‘Operation Vijay’ sealed the fate of Goans forever. Bennet Paes
[Goanet] Freedom fighters association opposes Indo-Portuguese cultural extravaganza
--- http://www.GOANET.org --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php --- Freedom fighters association opposes Indo-Portuguese cultural extravaganza PANAJI: The Goa Daman and Diu Freedom Fighters Association has demanded withdrawal of the third edition of the Semana Da Cultura Indo-Portuguesa (Goa), which is scheduled to be held from October 19 to November 21. The event will showcase Indian and Portuguese culture in the form of art, cinema, music, cuisine, literature and more. The freedom fighters association argues that the event is promoting colonial Portuguese culture. Mr Nagesh Karmali, the president of the association while briefing media said, “We are warning them to stop such activities as through this festival, a pro-Portuguese lobby is being created and the Goan society is being divided.” Mr Karmali also pointed out that during this festival, a photo-exhibition showcasing Goa’s pre-liberation period will be held. “They should show photos how freedom fighters were tortured during the Portuguese regime,” Mr Karmali said. Questioning Mr Anil Counto, the chairperson of the executive committee planning the event, Mr Karmali sought to know whether an event is at all organised in Portugal to showcase diverse Indian culture to the people of Portugal. “Some Goans are opting for the Portuguese passport as Portugal is part of the European Union. In my opinion such people should surrender their Indian citizenship as till date there is no provision for two-nation passport in the country,” Mr Karmali claimed. Veteran freedom fighter, Mr Prabhakar Sinari, who was also present at the briefing, stated, “All these years we are asking for an apology from the Portuguese government but it has not come.” He also questioned the loyalties of those citizens who are seeking Portuguese passport. “If tomorrow some tension lies between India and Europe then where their loyalties will lie?” questioned Mr Sinari. Mentioning about Portuguese regime, Mr Karmali pointed out that they never worked for Goa’s development. “Portuguese never built Mandovi or Zuari bridge nor any village roads. Also Goa’s education that time was 26 per cent, which is now almost 90 per cent. There are more Christians in India than in Portugal,” Mr Karmali claimed. http://www.navhindtimes.in/goa-news/freedom-fighters-association-opposes-indo-portuguese-cultural-extravaganza
[Goanet] Freedom fighters or fraudsters/Let us move forward to retain what is left of GOA to be ruled by Good Goans not Goonies - REST IS FRILLS AND LACES as Marion Pereira would say!
Yes bharat with its tumultuous governance will soon become a part of China. Begin to eat with chop sticks! BC How many characters are there in Goa who want to make Goa special administrative region of China? One or two? Cheers, Santosh
Re: [Goanet] Freedom fighters or fraudsters/Let us move forward to retain what is left of GOA to be ruled by Good Goans not Goonies - REST IS FRILLS AND LACES as Marion Pereira would say!
Hi Bernado What do we know about this man – Tristao de Braganca Cunha? And why do we only blame the Hindus in Goa for the so called “Liberation of Goa”? Best Oscar C. Lobo. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goan_Catholics#Notable_Goan_Catholics Tristão de Bragança Cunha From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search Tristão de Bragança Cunha Tristão de Bragança Cunha (sometimes spelled as Tristao de Braganza Cunha) (1891 -1958) was a prominent nationalist and anti-colonial activist from Goa (then part of Portuguese India, now modern India). He is popularly known as the Father of Goan nationalism, and organizer of the first movement to liberate Goa from Portuguese rule. [edit] Biography Cunha was born on April 2, 1891 in the village Chandor in Goa. He complete his school education in Panjim and then went to Pondicherry to French College for his B.A. and then to Paris. There he studied at the Sorbonne University and obtained a degree in electrical engineering. In Paris, Cunha entered the circle of Romain Rolland and helped publicize the Indian independence movement generally, and the case of Portuguese India in particular, in the French-language press. Cunha returned to Goa in 1926 and he set up the Comissão do Congresso de Goa (Goa Congress Committee) in Goa in 1928 to organize the Goan intelligentsia against Portuguese colonial rule. Pressured by Portuguese authorities, Cunha transferred operations to Bombay and in 1938, affiliated his organization with the Indian National Congress. He continued publicizing the Goan case in a stream of articles and books, denouncing Portuguese rule. Among his publications were booklets Four Hundred Years of Foreign Rule and The Denationalization of Goans (1944). Cunha was an advocate of Goan identification, political as well as cultural, with greater India. In 1946, Cunha helped organize the famous assembly in Margão, inviting the INC speaker Ram Manohar Lohia to address what was arguably the first and largest mass gathering yet, setting in motion the Goa liberation movement. Along with the other organizers, Cunha was arrested by the Portuguese authorities in 1946. He was kept in dark damp cell at Fort Aguada. He was the first civilian to be tried by a military tribunal. He was court-martialed and sentenced to eight years imprisonment. He was deported to the Peniche prison in Portugal. After his release from Portugal in 1954, Cunha returned to Bombay. Cunha formed and headed the Goa Action Committee, to help coordinate the numerous Goan liberation organizations that had emerged by this time. He published a newspaper called Free Goa. He died on September 28, 1958, Loknayak Jaiprakash Narayan was one of the pallbearers. The Government of India issued a postage stamp in his honour. [edit] References [1] [2] [edit] External References [3] Glória ao Herói no Quarto Aniversário da Morte de Tristão de Brangança Cunha - Poem by Visnum Porobo Sincró commemorating the fourth anniversary of Cunha Bragança's death (Portuguese) Persondata Name Cunha, Tristao De Braganza Alternative names Short description Date of birth 1891 Place of birth Date of death 1958 Place of death
Re: [Goanet] Freedom fighters or fraudsters/Let us move forward to retain what is left of GOA to be ruled by Good Goans not Goonies - REST IS FRILLS AND LACES as Marion Pereira would say!
Hi Oscar, I blame all those Goans involved in the events of 61. Recently I challenged Valmiki Faleiro (Patroitism in Action) for eulogizing those Goans who were involved in the armed actions of 61. Chaps like Braganca etc were naive and donkeys. Today only full autonomy will save Goa under a Special Administrative region system. Putting good candidates up for elections is only a waste of time and money. Instead all efforts must be made to radicalize young Goans to fight the various dangers faced by our motherland, specially against those singing Jai Ram. Regards BC Subject: RE: Freedom fighters or fraudsters/Let us move forward to retain what is left of GOA to be ruled by Good Goans not Goonies - REST IS FRILLS AND LACES as Marion Pereira would say! Hi Bernado What do we know about this man – Tristao de Braganca Cunha? And why do we only blame the Hindus in Goa for the so called “Liberation of Goa”? Best Oscar C. Lobo. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goan_Catholics#Notable_Goan_Catholics Tristão de Bragança Cunha From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search Tristão de Bragança Cunha Tristão de Bragança Cunha (sometimes spelled as Tristao de Braganza Cunha) (1891 -1958) was a prominent nationalist and anti-colonial activist from Goa (then part of Portuguese India, now modern India). He is popularly known as the Father of Goan nationalism, and organizer of the first movement to liberate Goa from Portuguese rule.
Re: [Goanet] Freedom fighters or fraudsters/Let us move forward to retain what is left of GOA to be ruled by Good Goans not Goonies - REST IS FRILLS AND LACES as Marion Pereira would say!
How many characters are there in Goa who want to make Goa special administrative region of China? One or two? Cheers, Santosh --- On Sat, 1/15/11, Bernado Colaco ole_...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi Oscar, I blame all those Goans involved in the events of 61. Recently I challenged Valmiki Faleiro (Patroitism in Action) for eulogizing those Goans who were involved in the armed actions of 61. Chaps like Braganca etc were naive and donkeys. Today only full autonomy will save Goa under a Special Administrative region system. Putting good candidates up for elections is only a waste of time and money. Instead all efforts must be made to radicalize young Goans to fight the various dangers faced by our motherland, specially against those singing Jai Ram. Regards BC
[Goanet] Freedom Fighters in Goa
I concur completely with Rajesh Dessai’s analysis of the situation vis-à-vis Goemcar freedom fighters. I personally knew two in Moira. The first the late Purshottam, fondly called Purso, was the genuine article, actively involved in the struggle. He was a gentleman. He loved singing and always took part in our yuletide ‘serenades’. Unfortunately he was prey to that common Goemcar disease that has taken such a heavy toll in our land. The second is a well known local charlatan who claims his freedom fighters pension even though everyone knows that his opportune incarceration was for some petty swindle and had absolutely nothing to do with the struggle. But I won’t delve in this time worn tale of the good, the bad and the ugly. I’ve only written this post Mr. Dessai to say that it is a pleasure and an honor to hear and read about and from a Goemcar who thought and felt and gave as much for his motherland as you have. Thank you for giving so much of yourself for our beautiful Goem. It is such a pity though that while your bravery and selflessness helped get rid of one colonizer, the aftermath which should have safeguarded Goemcar identity has only resulted in a dilution of Goemcarponn in Goem. Sincerely Xanno Moidecar
[Goanet] Freedom fighters in Goa
One gets days when nothing seems to go right. Alas this is my second retraction today. Mr Dessai before you think I was being sarcastic or patronizing I want to hasten and assure you that my last post in this thread was prompted by my misreading your contribution. But I may not be far wrong when I commented on your selflessness and honour. It takes a big man to admit his mistakes as you have done and a very good man to decline the benefits of false pretence. Sincerely Xanno Moidecar
[Goanet] Freedom Fighters in Goa
Talking about freedom fighters, I recollect my father narrating to us stories of people who were sent to prison for fighting for freedom among whom was Prof James Fernandes (formerly St Xavier's College Mapuca) from my village in Assonora. I believe that not only did he not claim any benefits or pension but completed his studies on his release and earned his living very honourably. Let us not forget such people who made a tremendous sacrifice. Regards, Marshall
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Another Genuine Freedom Fighter and a great benefactor of teachers whom I was closely associated with was the late Ravindranath Pai Raiturkar who for a number of years headed the All Goa Secondary School Teachers Association (AGSSTA). Mr. Ravindra Pai Raiturkar refused to accept the Tamra Patra and a Freedom Fighters Pension. He headed the Teachers Association when the very fact that you joined the Association was enough to give you the pink slip. Those were days in which teachers had no job security - you could have your services terminated with one months notice or a month's salary in lieu of notice without assigning any reason. Some managements used this clause to suppress any organized teachers movement. I know because I started teaching in those days way back in 1969. Raiturkar not only headed the teachers movement, but gave it a firm and fixed direction. He was a tough negotiator and was a great champion of teachers causes. It was under his Presidentship that managements were given 100 percent grant towards teachers salaries. This was achieved not without a tough fight which included a torchlight march to Panjim from all corners of Goa. Later on he fought and succeeded in getting teachers salaries paid through banks. This prevented unscrupulous managements from making illegal deductions from teachers salaries. In one particular incident, Mr. Bonfilho da Cruz was the Director of Education when the Directorate was housed in the Massano de Amorim building. The office bearers and a few selected members of AGSSTA entered the Director's cabin and laid siege to it. This was the first time that teachers in Goa had resorted to a gherao As in the seventies there was a great shortage of teachers, he was responsible for getting teachers trained on deputation. This meant that they would be paid full salaries during their teachers training course. Mr. Ravindranath Pai Raiturkar deserves to be called a worthy son of Goa. -- \\\ Tony de Sa tonyd...@gmail.com M : +91 9975 162 897 Ph. : +91 832 2470 148 ^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v
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[Goanet] Freedom fighters in Goa
I think the act below is that of goondagiri probably imported from the bharat union or east africa. BC In one particular incident, Mr. Bonfilho da Cruz was the Director of Education when the Directorate was housed in the Massano de Amorim building. The office bearers and a few selected members of AGSSTA entered the Director's cabin and laid siege to it. This was the first time that teachers in Goa had resorted to a gherao
[Goanet] Freedom Fighters in Goa
Today I read a post by Tony De Sa about his relations being freedom fighters imprisoned at the Aguada Jail. Can Tony please tell me the names of his relatives who were in the jail at that time? I would like to know and catch up with my fellow inmates if they are still around. I have been a prisoner in that jail from 1958 till the liberation of Goa. I know most of the prisoners who were there in jail with me, and none of us were 'freedom fighters' Later on I heard that some of the chalu prisoners were claiming to be freedom fighters, and I have always been wondering how that could be possible. The prisoners that I remember were in jail for real crimes, some small, some big. It was our lucky day to be released from jail by the India govt. I had 3 more years to go. Later, these chalu fellows applied for ff pension. some got tamrapatras. And I just laugh. I was young at that time, and made many mistakes in my life. And I paid a big price for it, and learned from my mistakes. I am not proud of my youth, and after my release from jail I moved to Sawantwadi as my family were not happy with me. Now I am retired and am back in Goa. It has changed. Raj Rajesh Dessai
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That a Man [ which we normally say 'Ata Man' ] Yes dear Rajesh. You are that man who did not claim the FF's title when released from Jail in 1961. And what you say is correct. There were hardly any freedom fighters in jail then but hard core as well as petty criminals. I believe Dayanand Bandodkar was one of them too. But his crime( as I am told) was that the Portuguese thought he was suspected to have been involved in harbouring the cross border satyagrahis which has blown off some mining machinery at that time. And Bandodkar was a mine owner himself. And I am also told that DB also claimed the FF's status initially but withdrew from the same on good advice. By any chance was DB with you? It is believed that DB wrote a clandestine letter to the Commandant of the Jail ratting on the satyagrahis (naming them) so that he could be in good books with the jailors and be released. As far as I know, this is authentic information. By any chance have you heard of it while in Jail?? We appreciate your strainght-forwardness. We all get involved in petty crimes sometime or the other.Even a well deserved 'punching of some idiot's nose and bloodying it' is a crime now a days. The punishment then ( during the Portuguese regime) was hard and savage. Today, it is Amul Maska ( if one has the right connections or the right number of currency bills in the pocket) and that is why we have so many crimes and so many criminal to the extent that our very own legislators in the Legislative Assemblies and in our august Parliament are hard core criminals. Can any thing more be said on this?? Welcome to Goa. We need people like you now, before all is lost forever. Cheers floriano goasuraj 9890470896 www.goasu-raj.org GOA does not only need HONEST persons to contest elections, and, Goa does not only need HONEST voters to elect honest persons. But GOA mainly needs an 'HONEST SYSTEM of GOVERNANCE'. Wherein, even a dishonest person is forced to be honest or to QUIT. Such HONEST SYSTEM is knocking at GOA's portals. A 'PRECIOUS GIFT' to GOA by committed GOANS. A 'GIFT HORSE' that must not be looked in the mouth. PPS=PEOPLE for POLITICAL SANITY Display the 'PPS' sticker on your vehicle today, to reject political madness tomorrow. - Original Message - From: Rajesh Dessai goy...@gmail.com To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 11:13 AM Subject: [Goanet] Freedom Fighters in Goa Today I read a post by Tony De Sa about his relations being freedom fighters imprisoned at the Aguada Jail. Can Tony please tell me the names of his relatives who were in the jail at that time? I would like to know and catch up with my fellow inmates if they are still around. I have been a prisoner in that jail from 1958 till the liberation of Goa. I know most of the prisoners who were there in jail with me, and none of us were 'freedom fighters' Later on I heard that some of the chalu prisoners were claiming to be freedom fighters, and I have always been wondering how that could be possible. The prisoners that I remember were in jail for real crimes, some small, some big. It was our lucky day to be released from jail by the India govt. I had 3 more years to go. Later, these chalu fellows applied for ff pension. some got tamrapatras. And I just laugh. I was young at that time, and made many mistakes in my life. And I paid a big price for it, and learned from my mistakes. I am not proud of my youth, and after my release from jail I moved to Sawantwadi as my family were not happy with me. Now I am retired and am back in Goa. It has changed. Raj Rajesh Dessai
[Goanet] Freedom Fighters
My poor Father always thought it was divine intervention that killed Nehru for invading the sacred soil of Goa. Regards Ignatius Fernandes. _ Get the best of MSN on your mobile http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/147991039/direct/01/
Re: [Goanet] Freedom Fighters
Jose Colaco: BTW Marshall, Where did you find this info that Nehru was a 'sick man' soon after the Indo-China war?. Wasn't the event which culminated in his death in 1964, a sudden one? Response: After so many years I am unabIe to pinpoint the exact source. Whenever I have time, I will try and trace the source. However, I recollect reading in either Lt Gen B M Kaul's (The Untold Story) or M O Mathai's (My days with Nehru) or maybe M C Chagla's(Roses in December) or Brig John Dalvi's (Himalayan Blunder) book that the Chinese invasion took Nehru completely by surprise especially after all that Hindi-Chini bhai- bhai stuff after the Panchasheel declaration. The utter defeat of the Indian army and the loss of territory to the Chinese broke Nehru's spirit. He was not his normal self after that and was a broken man. He slowly deteriorated in health and mind which culminated in his death in 1964. The exact cause of his death is neither here nor there and he well have died from a heart failure. I am open to correction. Regards, Marshall
Re: [Goanet] Freedom Fighters
Marshall Mendonza wrote [1] the Chinese invasion took Nehru completely by surprise especially after all that Hindi-Chini bhai- bhai stuff after the Panchasheel declaration. The utter defeat of the Indian army and the loss of territory to the Chinese broke Nehru's spirit. He was not his normal self after that and was a broken man. [2] He slowly deteriorated in health and mind which culminated in his death in 1964. [3] The exact cause of his death is neither here nor there and he well have died from a heart failure. I am open to correction. == jc comment: Marshall is quite correct about #1, but not so about # 2. re #3; The death was following an acute (sudden) event. The term heart failure is too general, but this is not the forum for a discussion on that topic. Having said that, allow me to say this: Nehru was guided by his side-kick, the lefty Krishna Menon. Nehru was also a politician who (like ALL politicians) did everything (including make ANY promises) to get what he wanted. The invasion of Goa was part of the political expediency at the time. Anytime a governing party is at risk of losing an election, expect a war or some anti-other religion nonsense, a bogus VideoCD, or the laying of foundation stones for projects which have not a farthing's chance of commencing in the next 10 years. While Nehru may have made that speech about 'wanting to preserve the identity of Goa', he did absolutely nothing to ensure that. If he was serious about it - he would have organised it in the ANNEXATION document itself. But, he did not. Now, if Marshall knows otherwise for sure, I am open to correction. BTW: Goa Freedom Fighter, journalist and author, the now late Lino Leitão had something to say about that this in his piece on TGF. http://www.colaco.net/1/nizgoemcar.htm jc
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Was'nt it in 1963 Nehru died? AT Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 18:44:54 +0530 From: mmendonz...@gmail.com To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Subject: Re: [Goanet] Freedom Fighters Jose Colaco: BTW Marshall, Where did you find this info that Nehru was a 'sick man' soon after the Indo-China war?. Wasn't the event which culminated in his death in 1964, a sudden one? Response: After so many years I am unabIe to pinpoint the exact source. Whenever I have time, I will try and trace the source. However, I recollect reading in either Lt Gen B M Kaul's (The Untold Story) or M O Mathai's (My days with Nehru) or maybe M C Chagla's(Roses in December) or Brig John Dalvi's (Himalayan Blunder) book that the Chinese invasion took Nehru completely by surprise especially after all that Hindi-Chini bhai- bhai stuff after the Panchasheel declaration. The utter defeat of the Indian army and the loss of territory to the Chinese broke Nehru's spirit. He was not his normal self after that and was a broken man. He slowly deteriorated in health and mind which culminated in his death in 1964. The exact cause of his death is neither here nor there and he well have died from a heart failure. I am open to correction. Regards, Marshall _ Drag n’ drop—Get easy photo sharing with Windows Live™ Photos. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/photos.aspx
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--- On Sun, 6/28/09, J. Colaco jc cola...@gmail.com wrote: re #3; The death was following an acute (sudden) event. The term heart failure is too general, but this is not the forum for a discussion on that topic. I had heard many years ago as a medical student that Nehru died from a ruptured aortic aneurysm, the existence of which his personal physician, the eminent cardiologist Rustom Jal Vakil was aware of, and was courageous enough to tell him long before his death. I have not been able to confirm this through any authentic source. The official position is that he died of a stroke. Vakil also knew that Muhammed Ali Jinnah was suffering from lung cancer. But he kept it a secret because of patient-physician confidentiality. I have been able to confirm the latter through the medical literature. Cheers, Santosh
Re: [Goanet] Freedom fighters etc
Just heard from Alfredo the day before yesterday. He is with his family in Montevideo, Uruguay jc == 2009/6/25 Luis Vas luissr...@gmail.com: Those debating the above subject may be interested in the link below for Alfredo de Mello's article on an aspect of the subject. By the way is he still alive? http://www.abbefaria.com/Abbe%20Faria%20Conspiracy.htm
[Goanet] Freedom fighters etc
Those debating the above subject may be interested in the link below for Alfredo de Mello's article on an aspect of the subject. By the way is he still alive? http://www.abbefaria.com/Abbe%20Faria%20Conspiracy.htm
[Goanet] FREEDOM FIGHTERS MEMORIAL to be set up - CUNCOLIM
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * ANKA SERVICES For all your Goa-based media needs - Newspapers and Electronic Media Newspaper Adverts, Press Releases, Press Conferences www.ankaservices.com kam...@ankaservices.com The Government of Goa proposes to construct a Freedom Fighters Memorial near the New Kadamba Transport Corporation Ltd Bus stand at Cuncolim,Salcete South Goa District at the behest of the Minister for Urban Development and MLA Cuncolim Assembly Constituency Mr Joaquim Alemao. Interestingly the names of freedom fighters (both living and dead ) involved in the freedom movement from Cuncolim are intended to be incorporated on the plaque on this memorial. According to the Chairperson of Cuncolim Municipal Council, Mr Filonio Vaz, who spoke to this writer telephonically on 19th 20th January, 2009 and also gave the names as herein below. He however said that with a view to ensure that none are left out or wrongly enlisted suggestions if any, have been called from the members of the public within seven days of the notice (13th Jan,2009) . This exercise has been widely appreciated by the members of the public as per informal talks this writer held with some of the senior citizens of Cuncolim infact some felt that the memorial was long over due, but better late than never. When Mr Vaz was asked to clarify on what documents he would rely on to ascertain the veracity and credentials of the freedom fighters , he stated that a document in proof of receipt of pension or any other document would be acceptable. When pressed further to ascertain whether those that were 14 years of age (born in 1947 ) or less as on day of Liberation 19/12/1961 could be considered. He said that there were instances where such youth then, could have also abetted in suplementing efforts for the freedom movement by indirectly assisting the older ones and therefore they too could qualify for the same ofcourse with valid documents as stated above. However there is some disagreement on this opinion by several others. One Cuncolkar had this to say. Assuming the freedom fighter was 14 years on 1961 and he married on attaining the age of attaining majority i.e. 18 or 21 yrs (1965/1968 ) his children would not have qualified for admisssion to seats in educational professional institutions beyond 25 years of age or for Government employment beyond the age of 40 ( a concession of five years given to freedom fighters ) but yet there are many such cases he stated. Have such cases been scrutinised carefully he wondered. When asked to elaborate he was reluctant but confided a name and begged not to put it on record. He said if one obtains such information under the Goa Right to Information Act in cases of those freedom fighters born after 1947 the truth will come to light. According to him some dossiers of the then Goa Police are available in Portugal and even France in the archives and it would be appropriate to examine them separately, to stop the rot going endlessly even after nearly 48 yrs of Liberation. He is therefore of the opinion that information atleast in respect of these persons listed below should be examined from the Government of Goa freedom fighters records to ascertain importantly the documentary evidence of which the Government has relied upon before finalizing the list . He mentioned jokingly imagine a thief having been imprisoned by the erstwhile Portuguese regime if the foreign dignitaries or ex Portuguese government officials happen to see their names wrongly placed on the plaque they would make us Cuncolkars and Goans a laughing stock; as many are not aware of the freedom fighters who indeed are in receipt of pensions or the tamra patras letters of accredition. It is now left for Cuncolkars and Goans world wide to send in information on the persons included or left out at the earliest. List of freedom fighters (living) Veroda Uttam Dattaram Dessai, Bombi Shamba Dessai, Sanvorcotta Mahableshwar Narayan Dessai, Vishnu Soiru Angle, Srikant Vassu Pai Angle, Jaiwant Suryaji Kunde, Sadanand Trivikram Kunde, Ramesh Narayan Kunde, Narayan Shanu Naik, Prizon Tavares, Madukar Ganesh Shenvi Talaulikar, Khushali Nagu Dessai Maddicotta Suresh Kashinath Ghodekar, Smt Sushila Narayan Padiyar, Chandrakant Vaikunth Shenvi Kenkre Demani Babuli Balu Chitari ,Gopal Narayan Chitari, Chandrakant Laxman Prabhu, - Bencelmwaddo Fulgencio Moraes, Viviano Almeida Naiguilo Rama Sada Shet Dessai Buinsa Rama Yeshwant Dessai, Antonio Pereira, Vinayak Raghunath Dessai Murida Rohidas Raghunath
[Goanet] Freedom Fighters are opposing an upcoming Portuguese Cultural Event
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[Goanet] Freedom fighters in a muddle
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * ANKA SERVICES For all your media needs - Newspapers and Electronic Media Newspaper Adverts, Press Releases, Press Conferences www.ankaservices.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Isn't the below statment a muddle? Has the fake freedom fighter not read the contract between Portugal and bharat dated 1976 between Mario Soares and Y. B. Chavan? BC The Portuguese rule here was marked with suppression. Goa has changed a lot post-liberation. We are now part of India and if at all they want any ties, it should be between India and Portugal, Karmali added.
[Goanet] Freedom fighters to be honoured
Freedom fighters to be honoured Panaji (PTI): Around 41 freedom fighters will be honoured on the occasion of Goa Revolution Day to be held here on June 18. Various functions will be organised at the state and taluka level to pay tributes to the memory of freedom fighters and martyrs for their valiant efforts and supreme sacrifices for Goa's freedom struggle, a press release issued here stated. The day assumes historic significance as it was on this day in 1946 that Goans resolved to fight against the Portuguese rule, the release said. Goa Governor S C Jamir will preside over as the Chief Guest for the function. Chief Minister of the state, Digambar Kamat, Cabinet Ministers, MLAs and other dignitaries will also attend the function and pay homage to the freedom fighters, the release added. http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/002200806161041.htm ~(^^)~ Avelino
Re: [Goanet] FREEDOM FIGHTERS OR CHORS/CRIMIDORS?
Hi AVF: Your fulminations against freedom fighters seems aimed at basically (i) pointing to the dubious elements among them (and obviously there would have been, more so with so many benefits being created in the post-1961 territory) (ii) discrediting freedom-fighters as a community (iii) somehow questioning an existing reality (the end of Portuguese rule) and a situation which, while it may cause mental disquiet for you, actually benefits the majority of people in Goa. Not just Hindus, but the bulk of Christians who got it rough in underdeveloped Portuguese times. (Or, as anthropologist Robert S Newman would say, in feudal colonial times, compared to bourgeois capitalist post-1961). While you accuse very many Hindu freedom fighters of being fanatic Hindus ... (wanting) to turn Goa into a Hindu Raj, the fact remains that much of the little sorrow over the end of Portuguese rule stems from a misplaced Catholic 'loss of power', which stems from the perceived break in sharing the religion of the ruler! A closer reading of history would reveal that there were groups which were influenced by the Hindutva position (the Azad Gomantak Dal stands out here, maybe Teo could correct me), and the RSS had to catch up on lost time because of its almost total lack of involvement in the anti-colonial movement against the British. (This also explains, in part, though local factors cannot be forgotten, for the rise of the MGP in post-1961 Goa.) But to simplify things to the level you do simply isn't credible. -FN PS: The Marathi masters you talk about were brought in mainly as temple priests some 200-300 years ago. Ashok Row Kavi, writing in the Week around 1987 (language controversy time) has a good exposition of the relations between them and Goan Hindu society... While concluding I demand apology from the Freedom Fighters Association in Goa for the robberies, murders and other dirty acts the rascal freedom fighters have committed in Goa in the name of freedom movement. Worst of the crimes and brutalities against Goans during the Portuguese regime were committed not by Portuguese soldats and Agente Monteiro but by the Chor and Crimidor freedom fighters. A. Veronica Fernandes, Kuwait. -- -- Frederick 'FN' Noronha | Yahoomessenger: fredericknoronha http://fn.goa-india.org| +91(832)2409490 Cell 9822122436 -- 2248 copylefted photos from Goa: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] FREEDOM FIGHTERS OR CHORS/CRIMIDORS?
FREEDOM FIGHTERS OR CHORS/CRIMIDORS? In Bardez, Siolim and Tivim were the main bastions of freedom movement and freedom fighters. These freedom fighters were Christians and Hindus while Muslims were not known to belong to this category even though there may be some. Very many Hindu freedom fighters were fanatic Hindus and their involvement in freedom movement was only to turn Goa into a Hindu Raj because many of them were under the impression that Jai Hind means Jai Hindu Raj. This ignoramus never knew how the word Hind originated. For them Hind means Hindu. Hence, their involvement in freedom movement. Mohan Ranade the Marathi Teacher at Verem, Bardez, before attacking the Betim Police Outpost around 1959 has vowed to turn Goa into a Hindu Raj according to information received that time. He was not an original Goan. Like many of the Marathi Masters coming from the other side of the border he also was a Ghantti. He no doubt conducted a very daring operation where one Goan soldat was killed and one Paklo soldat was injured but finally Ranade was shot, caught and sent to Portugal to serve his long term prison sentence. Every Christian got himself involved in freedom movement purely for the sake of freedom for Goa from Portuguese rule. There was no religious fanaticism in his involvement in freedom movement. Some of the freedom fighters from Tivim were distributing small Holy Pictures of Our Lady of Perpetual Succuor with the statements on the back side saying Portugal Quit Goa, Goa belongs to Goans and not to Portugal, these freedom fighters were all Christians and they were distributing these holy pictures to the devotees coming to Tivim for the Wednesdays Novenas, of course clandestinely. Many of the Muslim Palestinians who are fighting for independent Palestine are doing so to promote their religious fanaticism while all the Palestinian Christians who are fighting to drive Jews out of their land are doing so only for the love of freedom for them. To convert Palestine into a theocratic state is not the goal of Christian Palestinians. There is lot of similarities between Muslim Palestinians and Goan Hindu freedom fighters as indicated above. Along with many of the Goan Hindu freedom fighters, Christian freedom fighters also jointly conducted operation Chorio and operation Crimi. In the name of freedom movement these chors and crimidors went on rampage of robbing and killing innocent Goans in Goa. So much so, freedom fighters finally became synonymous with robbers and criminals in Goa even though there were so many freedom fighters with clean record of their discipline. Everything worst in Goan society that time was associated with freedom fighters. In Assagao Bardez, Goa, there was one Venkatesh who was the owner of one Taverna. He was the main mastermind behind sheltering the chor and crimidor freedom fighters. Under his direction very many of the dirty operations were conducted by some of the so called freedom fighters. Venkatesh was very good associate of Shirodkar the first Speaker of Goa Legislative Assembly. Both of them were strong allies of MGP and many of the MGP associates were of dirty character. In Siolim the local Regidor was mercilessly tortured and killed by the criminals in the name of freedom movement. The Regidor was killed not because he was Regidor appointed by the Portuguese Government but because of settling of personal dispute. The Regidor was not a Portuguese Paklo but a Goan. Those so called freedom fighters had no marbles in their pants to kill Portuguese Pakles and Portuguese Officers. These so called Goan Freedom Fighters were killing and robbing Goans only because Goans were on weaker side while Portuguese were armed. These freedom fighters even robbed Salgaocars. In Siolim Soddiem there was one Casador Manuel Santan. He had one servant at his residence. Because he robbed something from Manuel Santans house, he was thrown out. In order to take revenge, he joined a group of Chor and Crimidors who in the name of freedom movement started looting and killing Goans. They were so deadly that they really terrified Siolim and surrounding areas. One fine afternoon they attached Manuel Santans Residence and took away from him both his Guns which he was using as Casador to kill Randukor in deep mountains in that locality. His sacked servant knew that his former boss had two Guns which finally the chor freedom fighters started using to kill more Goans and not Pakles. These type of gangs mushroomed all over Goa, they did not want Portuguese to leave Goa because they wanted to loot and acquire illicit wealth by robbing rich Goans. Portuguese stay in Goa was a blessing for them because Portuguese rule allowed them to rob Goans and make more and more money in the name of freedom movement. After Portuguese ouster these freedom fighters fell on the road in financial
