Re: All I Want for Christmas is a powerful Widget Library from Google !
I've been thinking about this thread for awhile and have decided to add my two cents. First, let me say that I'm huge Google and GWT fan. I've been using GWT for over two years on multiple projects and I really do think its great. I just bought myself an Android phone and I'd say its the Windows/MacOs story all over again. Watch out Apple, but I digress. The GWT team basically acknowledges that GWT's widget set needs addition development, and that's putting it mildly. Compared to a state of the art widget set, e.g. GXT, SmartGWT, etc, the GWT widget set is, sorry for being blunt, pretty primitive. For that reason, in the past I have used ExtGwt and GwtExt with decent success, but there were some problems with performance, documentation, support, incompatibility with native widgets, etc. But, wow, these are some really nice widgets and we managed to get our apps out the door. Well, with 2.1 there seemed to be some hope that GWT would start focusing on comprehensive widget development and, so, on a new project we are going to give native GWT widgets a try. We don't have a real complicated UI to build so it should be very doable. Then I saw this thread and thought, h, Google is saying that they are going to leave it to 3rd parties to take care of the W in GWT. Personally, I think this is a mistake. People are going to prefer staying with native widgets since they will continue to be supported and will be well integrated into the rest of GWT. Like I said before, I think GWT as a whole is really great. But I would guess that the one thing that would make it a huge success and start blowing away the competition would be a suitably great native widget set. I understand that Google has put a lot of priority into the doing the difficult things, but now I wonder if its time for them to focus on the one thing that would contribute most to GWT's success and longevity. On Nov 18, 2:14 pm, David Chandler drfibona...@google.com wrote: Thanks all for your support of GWT. We're really glad that what you've seen so far makes you want even more, and let me officially acknowledge here that the GWT team very much understands that you want a powerfulwidgetlibrary. That's why we created the powerful new CellWidgets in 2.1 (in time forChristmas, you may note) and are dreaming up new widgets for future releases also. Having said that, the GWT team at Google generally chooses to focus on the really hard problems such as compiler optimization and new features like RequestFactory while leaving the easier problems such asWidgetcreation (which is easy, in part, because of our focus on the hard problems) to the open source community. This is not even so much about the effort required to create new widgets as it is about the effort required to support them since that's where browser differences tend to be the greatest. In many cases, Googlers have contributed open source projects like gwt-dnd for drag and drop support (Fred Sauer) and GQuery (Ray Cromwell). But we don't think it's too much to ask everyone to put in a little effort extending and styling widgets in exchange for totally free, open source software that lets you run no-compromise AJAX on all modern browsers. Please do continue to share yourWidgetcreations via the various GWT galleries on the Web! /dmc David Chandler Developer Programs Engineer, Google Web Toolkithttp://googlewebtoolkit.blogspot.com/ On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 1:48 AM, zixzigma zixzi...@gmail.com wrote: GWT with its powerful set of features, make Large Scale Ajax software development possible. from Java to JS compiler, all the optimization, code splitting, MVP, Guice and Gin, new data binding features, and one can go on and on ... However one important aspect seem to be neglected for years and not aknowledged by GWT team is the absense of a powerfulWidgetlibrary. Thewidgetset provided by GWT is very basic, and does not include many many widgets needed to make more complex UI interaction possible. Drag and Drop (Tree for example or Grid, Filter), Calendar, Combo Box, Complex grids (sort, filter, etc) to name a few. All the effort that goes into crafting a well architected and tested app goes unnoticed unfortunately cause its about First Impression most of the time ! if you invest hours and hours to get the basic browser history working, all the design for testability etc, but dont have a pretty looking front-end, its just not fair ! We often see posts here and on other forums from developers requiring more advanced widgets to develop their apps. there are alternatives out there, SmartGWT, Ext-GWT. They are great, lots of eye candy, but they encourage a more desk-top style apps on the web, which goes against Google best practices that says not to turn web apps into desktop-like apps). also third-party libraries dont fit well with MVP, API inconsistency, they are also are hard to customize beyond the
Re: All I Want for Christmas is a powerful Widget Library from Google !
+1 On Nov 13, 1:48 am, zixzigma zixzi...@gmail.com wrote: GWT with its powerful set of features, make Large Scale Ajax software development possible. from Java to JS compiler, all the optimization, code splitting, MVP, Guice and Gin, new data binding features, and one can go on and on ... However one important aspect seem to be neglected for years and not aknowledged by GWT team is the absense of a powerful Widget library. The widget set provided by GWT is very basic, and does not include many many widgets needed to make more complex UI interaction possible. Drag and Drop (Tree for example or Grid, Filter), Calendar, Combo Box, Complex grids (sort, filter, etc) to name a few. All the effort that goes into crafting a well architected and tested app goes unnoticed unfortunately cause its about First Impression most of the time ! if you invest hours and hours to get the basic browser history working, all the design for testability etc, but dont have a pretty looking front-end, its just not fair ! We often see posts here and on other forums from developers requiring more advanced widgets to develop their apps. there are alternatives out there, SmartGWT, Ext-GWT. They are great, lots of eye candy, but they encourage a more desk-top style apps on the web, which goes against Google best practices that says not to turn web apps into desktop-like apps). also third-party libraries dont fit well with MVP, API inconsistency, they are also are hard to customize beyond the provided themes. and some of the other open-source ones are too experimental. You can argue that well go create your own. but that does not make any sense at all. if GWT is for Large Scale applications, does it make sense that developers spend their time experimenting with where to position close- icon on a Tab ?! or adding maximize/minimize to a dialog ? what about these ubuquitous Callout Tooltips ? or implement drag and drop on a tree which is going to be a maintanance nightmare down the road ?! each project creating their own in-house widget library ?! and test it ? an alternative could be to use GWT along-side JQuery/YUI, because there are hundreds if not thousands of variation for each plugin you can think out there. but does it make sense to do all the optimization in GWT, only to load additional JS Libraries to use plugins on top of them? Google acquired Instantiations(GWT Designer) a while ago, which was great news, although many are waiting for them to add UiBinder feature(still in beta), it was a great move by Google. I was thinking if Google Team is busy with the architectural aspect of GWT, why not invest in or acquire a company to work on a powerful and complete Widget Library to put others to shame. (after all its Google, right ?!) I can understand why they have not done this so far, because Google have always been about simplicity and investing in more bleeding-edge technologies, but they can acquire others to do this for GWT community ! The GWT team have done a superb job in creating this powerful Toolkit, and been so generous in sharing it with us. for that i am very grateful. But a boy can dream ! All I Want for Christmas is a powerful Widget Library ! a mix between Ext (Application-Oriented) and JQuery plugins (Designer oriented/eye candy/effects) ! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
Re: All I Want for Christmas is a powerful Widget Library from Google !
+1 completely agree, Google offered $6 Billion to Groupon, and are investing in Wind power and space adventures. as the OP stated, if Google team is too focused on hard problems/ architectural decisions, why not invest/acquire a company to do this for them and the community. Sencha is dedicated to developing widgets, and their upcoming 3.0 is very promising. wish Google had acquired them instead of GWT Designer. http://www.slideshare.net/darrellmeyer/ext-gwt-30 on the positive note, CellWidgets are great, lightweight and fast, and the GWT MVP is superb. great framework for developing serious apps. a new GQuery Plugin, supports Drag and Drop for GWT CellWidgets, which is great news. http://gwtquery-plugins.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/droppable/demo/GwtSimpleSample/GwtSimpleSample.html I was thinking if Google Team is busy with the architectural aspect of GWT, why not invest in or acquire a company to work on a powerful and complete Widget Library to put others to shame. (after all its Google, right ?!) I can understand why they have not done this so far, because Google have always been about simplicity and investing in more bleeding-edge technologies, but they can acquire others to do this for GWT community ! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
Re: All I Want for Christmas is a powerful Widget Library from Google !
Thanks all for your support of GWT. We're really glad that what you've seen so far makes you want even more, and let me officially acknowledge here that the GWT team very much understands that you want a powerful widget library. That's why we created the powerful new CellWidgets in 2.1 (in time for Christmas, you may note) and are dreaming up new widgets for future releases also. Having said that, the GWT team at Google generally chooses to focus on the really hard problems such as compiler optimization and new features like RequestFactory while leaving the easier problems such as Widget creation (which is easy, in part, because of our focus on the hard problems) to the open source community. This is not even so much about the effort required to create new widgets as it is about the effort required to support them since that's where browser differences tend to be the greatest. In many cases, Googlers have contributed open source projects like gwt-dnd for drag and drop support (Fred Sauer) and GQuery (Ray Cromwell). But we don't think it's too much to ask everyone to put in a little effort extending and styling widgets in exchange for totally free, open source software that lets you run no-compromise AJAX on all modern browsers. Please do continue to share your Widget creations via the various GWT galleries on the Web! /dmc David Chandler Developer Programs Engineer, Google Web Toolkit http://googlewebtoolkit.blogspot.com/ On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 1:48 AM, zixzigma zixzi...@gmail.com wrote: GWT with its powerful set of features, make Large Scale Ajax software development possible. from Java to JS compiler, all the optimization, code splitting, MVP, Guice and Gin, new data binding features, and one can go on and on ... However one important aspect seem to be neglected for years and not aknowledged by GWT team is the absense of a powerful Widget library. The widget set provided by GWT is very basic, and does not include many many widgets needed to make more complex UI interaction possible. Drag and Drop (Tree for example or Grid, Filter), Calendar, Combo Box, Complex grids (sort, filter, etc) to name a few. All the effort that goes into crafting a well architected and tested app goes unnoticed unfortunately cause its about First Impression most of the time ! if you invest hours and hours to get the basic browser history working, all the design for testability etc, but dont have a pretty looking front-end, its just not fair ! We often see posts here and on other forums from developers requiring more advanced widgets to develop their apps. there are alternatives out there, SmartGWT, Ext-GWT. They are great, lots of eye candy, but they encourage a more desk-top style apps on the web, which goes against Google best practices that says not to turn web apps into desktop-like apps). also third-party libraries dont fit well with MVP, API inconsistency, they are also are hard to customize beyond the provided themes. and some of the other open-source ones are too experimental. You can argue that well go create your own. but that does not make any sense at all. if GWT is for Large Scale applications, does it make sense that developers spend their time experimenting with where to position close- icon on a Tab ?! or adding maximize/minimize to a dialog ? what about these ubuquitous Callout Tooltips ? or implement drag and drop on a tree which is going to be a maintanance nightmare down the road ?! each project creating their own in-house widget library ?! and test it ? an alternative could be to use GWT along-side JQuery/YUI, because there are hundreds if not thousands of variation for each plugin you can think out there. but does it make sense to do all the optimization in GWT, only to load additional JS Libraries to use plugins on top of them? Google acquired Instantiations(GWT Designer) a while ago, which was great news, although many are waiting for them to add UiBinder feature(still in beta), it was a great move by Google. I was thinking if Google Team is busy with the architectural aspect of GWT, why not invest in or acquire a company to work on a powerful and complete Widget Library to put others to shame. (after all its Google, right ?!) I can understand why they have not done this so far, because Google have always been about simplicity and investing in more bleeding-edge technologies, but they can acquire others to do this for GWT community ! The GWT team have done a superb job in creating this powerful Toolkit, and been so generous in sharing it with us. for that i am very grateful. But a boy can dream ! All I Want for Christmas is a powerful Widget Library ! a mix between Ext (Application-Oriented) and JQuery plugins (Designer oriented/eye candy/effects) ! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to
Re: All I Want for Christmas is a powerful Widget Library from Google !
+1 On Nov 17, 10:25 am, zixzigma zixzi...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with all the issues that were pointed out about Sencha/Ext. However, comparing GXT to GWT is comparing apples to oranges. GXT is only a widget library, you can certainly build applications out of just putting together some widgets. but to develop scalable apps with great user experience, you need more than just bunch of pretty looking widgets. you need architecture. thats where GWT with its MVP, Editor, Server Communication mechanisms come to play. i didnt suggest a cookie cutter widget solution, that you just drag some widgets into your IDE, and write few lines of event code, and bam youre done. ofcrouse not. a powerful widget library can Complement GWT. and you would have the same flexibility you have now as how you want to design your app. and those who suggest go create your own, there haver been a number of open source projects out there, trying to tackle this issue. but after a while the activity/participation drops. leaving it too experimental. asking deverlopers to build their own widget libraries, is just plain wrong. goes against re-usability, maintanance, interoperability, etc. you well know these widgets must be tested on a number of browsers, each with different versions, your core application is one thing, but you spend your efffort elsewhere. talk about re-inventing the wheel. do you write your own String library from scratch on every project or in every company you go to? do you implement your own LinkedList or HashMap ? do you write your own I/O library ? your own web framework ? ofcourse you can, you can create your own programming language or operating system if you want. but in a real world, with tight deadlines, and whole set of other architectural decisions to deal with, building drag and drop for tree is the last thing on your priority list. if this is your line of work or something you enjoy, then that's great. Software Development with GWT is more than just creating widgets, the challenge is is how you put together everything in a sound end to end architecture. Still when it comes to User Interface design, if you have a powerful widget library, you can implement more complex user interactions. the core widgets provided by GWT are good, but not good enough. i can see 10-20 variations/features on each of the widgets. and many more. i agree on this that we as a community can participate and collectively contribute to this. this requires a bit of change in the way the things are handled. i am not sure if you are familiar with Vaadin.http://vaadin.com/directory one thing i like about them is the way they get the community involved and how they make it easier for the developers to submit their add-on/ plugins. they have an official section that users can submit the plugins they have implemented. other developers who use the plugins can provide feedback. so instead of scattered google code projects that end up with no activity after a while, there would be a central place where plugins/widgets are submitted, reviewed. incubator seems to have this purpose, but i am not sure how successful it has been so far. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
Re: All I Want for Christmas is a powerful Widget Library from Google !
On 17 nov, 03:25, zixzigma zixzi...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with all the issues that were pointed out about Sencha/Ext. However, comparing GXT to GWT is comparing apples to oranges. GXT is only a widget library, you can certainly build applications out of just putting together some widgets. but to develop scalable apps with great user experience, you need more than just bunch of pretty looking widgets. you need architecture. thats where GWT with its MVP, Editor, Server Communication mechanisms come to play. i didnt suggest a cookie cutter widget solution, that you just drag some widgets into your IDE, and write few lines of event code, and bam youre done. ofcrouse not. I understood you were asking for widgets, not RAD; so saying now that we couldn't compare GXT with GWT (which I'd then understand as GWT's widget set) puzzles me... a powerful widget library can Complement GWT. and you would have the same flexibility you have now as how you want to design your app. [...] asking deverlopers to build their own widget libraries, is just plain wrong. goes against re-usability, maintanance, interoperability, etc. you well know these widgets must be tested on a number of browsers, each with different versions, your core application is one thing, but you spend your efffort elsewhere. talk about re-inventing the wheel. Can you list a few widgets you're missing? (and which are not in GWT- Incubator) do you write your own String library from scratch on every project or in every company you go to? do you implement your own LinkedList or HashMap ? do you write your own I/O library ? your own web framework ? ofcourse you can, you can create your own programming language or operating system if you want. but in a real world, with tight deadlines, and whole set of other architectural decisions to deal with, building drag and drop for tree is the last thing on your priority list. if this is your line of work or something you enjoy, then that's great. Drag'n'drop is hard to develop in an accessible way; you'd probably have to complement the functionality with some kind copy/cut/paste or move up/down/level-up/level-down. And if you don't need it in your projects, people would blame Google for not providing accessible alternatives. I've always considered D'n'D as a bonus, an alternate way of doing things, so saying it's not possible or it'll cost twice as much to our clients has never been an issue for me. I've seen (desktop) apps where D'n'D were the only option, that wasn't intuitive at all (imagine, a double list similar to this one http:// www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/salaakso/patterns/Double-List.html without the move buttons in between) (in addition to not being accessible). Of course, YMMV. FWIW, YUI's TreeView doesn't do D'n'D either: http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/treeview/ and YUI's DataTable while supporting resizable and reorderable columns (via D'n'D) requires a bunch of work to make reorderable rows: http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/examples/datatable/dt_ddrows.html (and for GWT, you can try GWT-DND, by Fred Sauer, Google Developer Advocate on AppEngine and... GWT!) Software Development with GWT is more than just creating widgets, the challenge is is how you put together everything in a sound end to end architecture. Still when it comes to User Interface design, if you have a powerful widget library, you can implement more complex user interactions. the core widgets provided by GWT are good, but not good enough. i can see 10-20 variations/features on each of the widgets. and many more. Wouldn't there then be a risk of a bloated API, and a bloated widget set that doesn't optimize nicely in all cases? i agree on this that we as a community can participate and collectively contribute to this. this requires a bit of change in the way the things are handled. i am not sure if you are familiar with Vaadin.http://vaadin.com/directory one thing i like about them is the way they get the community involved and how they make it easier for the developers to submit their add-on/ plugins. they have an official section that users can submit the plugins they have implemented. other developers who use the plugins can provide feedback. so instead of scattered google code projects that end up with no activity after a while, there would be a central place where plugins/widgets are submitted, reviewed. incubator seems to have this purpose, but i am not sure how successful it has been so far. You mean something like the GWT Gallery? http://code.google.com/webtoolkit/community.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
Re: All I Want for Christmas is a powerful Widget Library from Google !
+1 On Nov 15, 11:05 pm, Jaroslav Záruba jaroslav.zar...@gmail.com wrote: +1 (Isn't there a enhancement request for this?) Please make it not only richer, but also sleeker looking. I 3 Google but I think the design/look quite often lacks heavily behind the service itself, YouTube being one blatant example, IMHO. (I believe Zuckerberg is glad Google does not seem to realize how great potential YouTube presents in terms of social services.) On Nov 15, 10:46 pm, zixzigma zixzi...@gmail.com wrote: That's great news. Thank You On Nov 15, 1:43 pm, Eric Clayberg clayb...@google.com wrote: FYI...the UiBinder support in GWT Designer is no longer in beta as of GWT Designer v8.1 and GWT 2.1. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
Re: All I Want for Christmas is a powerful Widget Library from Google !
This should be there in almost all developer's wish list who are using GWT. zixzigma, thanks for bringing up this and i think its better to log a feature request in Issues list and get more stars (than to get +1 in the post) in it to draw more attention.. On Nov 16, 3:50 pm, Marcin Misiewicz misq...@gmail.com wrote: +1 On Nov 15, 11:05 pm, Jaroslav Záruba jaroslav.zar...@gmail.com wrote: +1 (Isn't there a enhancement request for this?) Please make it not only richer, but also sleeker looking. I 3 Google but I think the design/look quite often lacks heavily behind the service itself, YouTube being one blatant example, IMHO. (I believe Zuckerberg is glad Google does not seem to realize how great potential YouTube presents in terms of social services.) On Nov 15, 10:46 pm, zixzigma zixzi...@gmail.com wrote: That's great news. Thank You On Nov 15, 1:43 pm, Eric Clayberg clayb...@google.com wrote: FYI...the UiBinder support in GWT Designer is no longer in beta as of GWT Designer v8.1 and GWT 2.1. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
Re: All I Want for Christmas is a powerful Widget Library from Google !
On 16 nov, 17:33, har_shan harsha...@gmail.com wrote: This should be there in almost all developer's wish list who are using GWT. Er, absolutely not. I'm more than happy with a widget set that gives me a total latitude towards how my app will look like. That's one of the biggest issues of Sencha: more than half the sites/apps in their spotlight series [1] feels Sencha, tates Sencha, smells Sencha (well that's also because their developers are not creative enough: half the apps I've seen using Sencha copy their Explorer sample and even its awful and unintuitive UX! but Sencha full- featured widgets are, before all, recognizable amongst all); and that's definitely NOT something I want! [1] http://www.sencha.com/blog/category/spotlight/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
Re: All I Want for Christmas is a powerful Widget Library from Google !
I completely agree with Thomas on this one. Just look at GXT apps for another example. By GWT not having slick looking widgets, it forces a developer to create a look and feel for their own apps. I'd much prefer the GWT team to keep pumping out more function over form. Chad Bourque www.milamade.com On Nov 16, 11:28 am, Thomas Broyer t.bro...@gmail.com wrote: On 16 nov, 17:33, har_shan harsha...@gmail.com wrote: This should be there in almost all developer's wish list who are using GWT. Er, absolutely not. I'm more than happy with a widget set that gives me a total latitude towards how my app will look like. That's one of the biggest issues of Sencha: more than half the sites/apps in their spotlight series [1] feels Sencha, tates Sencha, smells Sencha (well that's also because their developers are not creative enough: half the apps I've seen using Sencha copy their Explorer sample and even its awful and unintuitive UX! but Sencha full- featured widgets are, before all, recognizable amongst all); and that's definitely NOT something I want! [1]http://www.sencha.com/blog/category/spotlight/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
Re: All I Want for Christmas is a powerful Widget Library from Google !
I completely agree with Thomas on this one. Me too. I'd much prefer the GWT team to keep pumping out more function over form. Agreed! - Stephen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
Re: All I Want for Christmas is a powerful Widget Library from Google !
On 16 November 2010 10:16, Stephen Haberman stephen.haber...@gmail.com wrote: I completely agree with Thomas on this one. Me too. I'd much prefer the GWT team to keep pumping out more function over form. Agreed! If the OP and everyone who +1d his request each created a single widget you'd already have a nice start for a library. Why does Google have to do everything? :-) Start with simple widgets (something like a label and a textbox) and make them configurable and skinnable/themeable. Put it on Google Code and get more people involved. Even if it doesn't work out, it would be far more valuable than +1. :-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
Re: All I Want for Christmas is a powerful Widget Library from Google !
I agree with Thomas, but on the other hand it would be nice to have some more core functionality by default like drag and drop, fx or something like a light weight (and easy customizable through own stylesheets) tree widget (without any icons, mouseover styles etc.). So I also agree with zixzigma. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
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The new editor framework is easily worth 100 GXT widget libraries. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
Re: All I Want for Christmas is a powerful Widget Library from Google !
I agree with all the issues that were pointed out about Sencha/Ext. However, comparing GXT to GWT is comparing apples to oranges. GXT is only a widget library, you can certainly build applications out of just putting together some widgets. but to develop scalable apps with great user experience, you need more than just bunch of pretty looking widgets. you need architecture. thats where GWT with its MVP, Editor, Server Communication mechanisms come to play. i didnt suggest a cookie cutter widget solution, that you just drag some widgets into your IDE, and write few lines of event code, and bam youre done. ofcrouse not. a powerful widget library can Complement GWT. and you would have the same flexibility you have now as how you want to design your app. and those who suggest go create your own, there haver been a number of open source projects out there, trying to tackle this issue. but after a while the activity/participation drops. leaving it too experimental. asking deverlopers to build their own widget libraries, is just plain wrong. goes against re-usability, maintanance, interoperability, etc. you well know these widgets must be tested on a number of browsers, each with different versions, your core application is one thing, but you spend your efffort elsewhere. talk about re-inventing the wheel. do you write your own String library from scratch on every project or in every company you go to? do you implement your own LinkedList or HashMap ? do you write your own I/O library ? your own web framework ? ofcourse you can, you can create your own programming language or operating system if you want. but in a real world, with tight deadlines, and whole set of other architectural decisions to deal with, building drag and drop for tree is the last thing on your priority list. if this is your line of work or something you enjoy, then that's great. Software Development with GWT is more than just creating widgets, the challenge is is how you put together everything in a sound end to end architecture. Still when it comes to User Interface design, if you have a powerful widget library, you can implement more complex user interactions. the core widgets provided by GWT are good, but not good enough. i can see 10-20 variations/features on each of the widgets. and many more. i agree on this that we as a community can participate and collectively contribute to this. this requires a bit of change in the way the things are handled. i am not sure if you are familiar with Vaadin. http://vaadin.com/directory one thing i like about them is the way they get the community involved and how they make it easier for the developers to submit their add-on/ plugins. they have an official section that users can submit the plugins they have implemented. other developers who use the plugins can provide feedback. so instead of scattered google code projects that end up with no activity after a while, there would be a central place where plugins/widgets are submitted, reviewed. incubator seems to have this purpose, but i am not sure how successful it has been so far. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
Re: All I Want for Christmas is a powerful Widget Library from Google !
+1 :) 2010/11/13 zixzigma zixzi...@gmail.com GWT with its powerful set of features, make Large Scale Ajax software development possible. from Java to JS compiler, all the optimization, code splitting, MVP, Guice and Gin, new data binding features, and one can go on and on ... However one important aspect seem to be neglected for years and not aknowledged by GWT team is the absense of a powerful Widget library. The widget set provided by GWT is very basic, and does not include many many widgets needed to make more complex UI interaction possible. Drag and Drop (Tree for example or Grid, Filter), Calendar, Combo Box, Complex grids (sort, filter, etc) to name a few. All the effort that goes into crafting a well architected and tested app goes unnoticed unfortunately cause its about First Impression most of the time ! if you invest hours and hours to get the basic browser history working, all the design for testability etc, but dont have a pretty looking front-end, its just not fair ! We often see posts here and on other forums from developers requiring more advanced widgets to develop their apps. there are alternatives out there, SmartGWT, Ext-GWT. They are great, lots of eye candy, but they encourage a more desk-top style apps on the web, which goes against Google best practices that says not to turn web apps into desktop-like apps). also third-party libraries dont fit well with MVP, API inconsistency, they are also are hard to customize beyond the provided themes. and some of the other open-source ones are too experimental. You can argue that well go create your own. but that does not make any sense at all. if GWT is for Large Scale applications, does it make sense that developers spend their time experimenting with where to position close- icon on a Tab ?! or adding maximize/minimize to a dialog ? what about these ubuquitous Callout Tooltips ? or implement drag and drop on a tree which is going to be a maintanance nightmare down the road ?! each project creating their own in-house widget library ?! and test it ? an alternative could be to use GWT along-side JQuery/YUI, because there are hundreds if not thousands of variation for each plugin you can think out there. but does it make sense to do all the optimization in GWT, only to load additional JS Libraries to use plugins on top of them? Google acquired Instantiations(GWT Designer) a while ago, which was great news, although many are waiting for them to add UiBinder feature(still in beta), it was a great move by Google. I was thinking if Google Team is busy with the architectural aspect of GWT, why not invest in or acquire a company to work on a powerful and complete Widget Library to put others to shame. (after all its Google, right ?!) I can understand why they have not done this so far, because Google have always been about simplicity and investing in more bleeding-edge technologies, but they can acquire others to do this for GWT community ! The GWT team have done a superb job in creating this powerful Toolkit, and been so generous in sharing it with us. for that i am very grateful. But a boy can dream ! All I Want for Christmas is a powerful Widget Library ! a mix between Ext (Application-Oriented) and JQuery plugins (Designer oriented/eye candy/effects) ! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comgoogle-web-toolkit%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
Re: All I Want for Christmas is a powerful Widget Library from Google !
+1 I'm currently learning SmartGWT, LGPL version. I obviously can't take advantage of everything newly introduced and waited for a long time, like MPV, I had to wrote my own implementation 3 years ago to decouple code, and now I have to use their good implementation, but exiting from GWT standard, with a large amount of work, now to adapt my code to SmartGWT, and probably in the future, if there will be a chance, to adapt again my custom code to GWT standards. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
Re: All I Want for Christmas is a powerful Widget Library from Google !
+1 I am currently doing the GWT project honeycrm http://code.google.com/p/honeycrm/. A more powerful set of widget is the very last thing that is missing in the GWT puzzle. On 15 Nov., 09:39, massimo malvestio massimo.malves...@gmail.com wrote: +1 I'm currently learning SmartGWT, LGPL version. I obviously can't take advantage of everything newly introduced and waited for a long time, like MPV, I had to wrote my own implementation 3 years ago to decouple code, and now I have to use their good implementation, but exiting from GWT standard, with a large amount of work, now to adapt my code to SmartGWT, and probably in the future, if there will be a chance, to adapt again my custom code to GWT standards. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
Re: All I Want for Christmas is a powerful Widget Library from Google !
+1. SmartGWT LGPL is the only option for those who don't have lot of time and/or money to use GWT and still be productive. If GWT has a decent Table/Grid, Tree, then a lot of users will be content in just using GWT. Now that Designer is also part of the Google, the next step would be for Google to add a few more controls that will make it easy for developers to build apps to really highlight GWT's productivity benefits. BR, ~A On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 4:53 PM, ingo ingo.jaec...@googlemail.com wrote: +1 I am currently doing the GWT project honeycrm http://code.google.com/p/honeycrm/. A more powerful set of widget is the very last thing that is missing in the GWT puzzle. On 15 Nov., 09:39, massimo malvestio massimo.malves...@gmail.com wrote: +1 I'm currently learning SmartGWT, LGPL version. I obviously can't take advantage of everything newly introduced and waited for a long time, like MPV, I had to wrote my own implementation 3 years ago to decouple code, and now I have to use their good implementation, but exiting from GWT standard, with a large amount of work, now to adapt my code to SmartGWT, and probably in the future, if there will be a chance, to adapt again my custom code to GWT standards. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comgoogle-web-toolkit%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
Re: All I Want for Christmas is a powerful Widget Library from Google !
On 13 Nov., 07:48, zixzigma zixzi...@gmail.com wrote: But a boy can dream ! All I Want for Christmas is a powerful Widget Library ! a mix between Ext (Application-Oriented) and JQuery plugins (Designer oriented/eye candy/effects) ! Hi, I am dreaming from a designed conceptually stable GWT. Each year I had to change app due to API-change on concept level! This kind of unstableness may be a reason why companies are hesitating to use GWT. Stefan Bachert http://gwtworld.de -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
Re: All I Want for Christmas is a powerful Widget Library from Google !
Hi, I am dreaming from a designed conceptually stable GWT. Each year I had to change app due to API-change on concept level! Even if I understand your needs, I've been in the same situation, I think it's quite normal that a framework during early years of development could have an explosive growth of functionalities and changes about code structure. Developers' needs are getting more and more sophisticated, and as well sophisticated solutions have to be provided. I hope that a point of stability for api and best practices could be reached, and after that GWT team could focus on aspects that now could look secundary, eye candy widgets, for developers, but those are primary for users. Like a Ferrary is made by a state of the art engine and attractive body, a site has to be robust and easy and pleasant to use -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
Re: All I Want for Christmas is a powerful Widget Library from Google !
I agree. We need a robust framework which is pretty to look at too. I would rather use code coming out of google than anywhere else to be very honest. On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 7:02 AM, massimo malvestio massimo.malves...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I am dreaming from a designed conceptually stable GWT. Each year I had to change app due to API-change on concept level! Even if I understand your needs, I've been in the same situation, I think it's quite normal that a framework during early years of development could have an explosive growth of functionalities and changes about code structure. Developers' needs are getting more and more sophisticated, and as well sophisticated solutions have to be provided. I hope that a point of stability for api and best practices could be reached, and after that GWT team could focus on aspects that now could look secundary, eye candy widgets, for developers, but those are primary for users. Like a Ferrary is made by a state of the art engine and attractive body, a site has to be robust and easy and pleasant to use -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comgoogle-web-toolkit%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
Re: All I Want for Christmas is a powerful Widget Library from Google !
+1 On Nov 15, 3:14 pm, Stefan Bachert stefanbach...@yahoo.de wrote: On 13 Nov., 07:48, zixzigma zixzi...@gmail.com wrote: But a boy can dream ! All I Want for Christmas is a powerful Widget Library ! a mix between Ext (Application-Oriented) and JQuery plugins (Designer oriented/eye candy/effects) ! Hi, I am dreaming from a designed conceptually stable GWT. Each year I had to change app due to API-change on concept level! This kind of unstableness may be a reason why companies are hesitating to use GWT. Stefan Bacherthttp://gwtworld.de -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
Re: All I Want for Christmas is a powerful Widget Library from Google !
FYI...the UiBinder support in GWT Designer is no longer in beta as of GWT Designer v8.1 and GWT 2.1. On Nov 13, 1:48 am, zixzigma zixzi...@gmail.com wrote: Google acquired Instantiations(GWT Designer) a while ago, which was great news, although many are waiting for them to add UiBinder feature(still in beta), it was a great move by Google. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
Re: All I Want for Christmas is a powerful Widget Library from Google !
That's great news. Thank You On Nov 15, 1:43 pm, Eric Clayberg clayb...@google.com wrote: FYI...the UiBinder support in GWT Designer is no longer in beta as of GWT Designer v8.1 and GWT 2.1. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
Re: All I Want for Christmas is a powerful Widget Library from Google !
+1 (Isn't there a enhancement request for this?) Please make it not only richer, but also sleeker looking. I 3 Google but I think the design/look quite often lacks heavily behind the service itself, YouTube being one blatant example, IMHO. (I believe Zuckerberg is glad Google does not seem to realize how great potential YouTube presents in terms of social services.) On Nov 15, 10:46 pm, zixzigma zixzi...@gmail.com wrote: That's great news. Thank You On Nov 15, 1:43 pm, Eric Clayberg clayb...@google.com wrote: FYI...the UiBinder support in GWT Designer is no longer in beta as of GWT Designer v8.1 and GWT 2.1. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
Re: All I Want for Christmas is a powerful Widget Library from Google !
+1 HR 2010/11/13 zixzigma zixzi...@gmail.com GWT with its powerful set of features, make Large Scale Ajax software development possible. from Java to JS compiler, all the optimization, code splitting, MVP, Guice and Gin, new data binding features, and one can go on and on ... However one important aspect seem to be neglected for years and not aknowledged by GWT team is the absense of a powerful Widget library. The widget set provided by GWT is very basic, and does not include many many widgets needed to make more complex UI interaction possible. Drag and Drop (Tree for example or Grid, Filter), Calendar, Combo Box, Complex grids (sort, filter, etc) to name a few. All the effort that goes into crafting a well architected and tested app goes unnoticed unfortunately cause its about First Impression most of the time ! if you invest hours and hours to get the basic browser history working, all the design for testability etc, but dont have a pretty looking front-end, its just not fair ! We often see posts here and on other forums from developers requiring more advanced widgets to develop their apps. there are alternatives out there, SmartGWT, Ext-GWT. They are great, lots of eye candy, but they encourage a more desk-top style apps on the web, which goes against Google best practices that says not to turn web apps into desktop-like apps). also third-party libraries dont fit well with MVP, API inconsistency, they are also are hard to customize beyond the provided themes. and some of the other open-source ones are too experimental. You can argue that well go create your own. but that does not make any sense at all. if GWT is for Large Scale applications, does it make sense that developers spend their time experimenting with where to position close- icon on a Tab ?! or adding maximize/minimize to a dialog ? what about these ubuquitous Callout Tooltips ? or implement drag and drop on a tree which is going to be a maintanance nightmare down the road ?! each project creating their own in-house widget library ?! and test it ? an alternative could be to use GWT along-side JQuery/YUI, because there are hundreds if not thousands of variation for each plugin you can think out there. but does it make sense to do all the optimization in GWT, only to load additional JS Libraries to use plugins on top of them? Google acquired Instantiations(GWT Designer) a while ago, which was great news, although many are waiting for them to add UiBinder feature(still in beta), it was a great move by Google. I was thinking if Google Team is busy with the architectural aspect of GWT, why not invest in or acquire a company to work on a powerful and complete Widget Library to put others to shame. (after all its Google, right ?!) I can understand why they have not done this so far, because Google have always been about simplicity and investing in more bleeding-edge technologies, but they can acquire others to do this for GWT community ! The GWT team have done a superb job in creating this powerful Toolkit, and been so generous in sharing it with us. for that i am very grateful. But a boy can dream ! All I Want for Christmas is a powerful Widget Library ! a mix between Ext (Application-Oriented) and JQuery plugins (Designer oriented/eye candy/effects) ! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comgoogle-web-toolkit%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. -- Hermann RANGAMANA MalagaSys.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
Re: All I Want for Christmas is a powerful Widget Library from Google !
I definitely agree! The new CellWidgets are realy nice, but we need more ;)!! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
Re: All I Want for Christmas is a powerful Widget Library from Google !
+1 On 15 November 2010 03:50, Jambi michael.lukaszc...@googlemail.com wrote: I definitely agree! The new CellWidgets are realy nice, but we need more ;)!! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comgoogle-web-toolkit%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. -- Prashant www.claymus.com code.google.com/p/claymus/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
Re: All I Want for Christmas is a powerful Widget Library from Google !
+1 On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Prashant nextprash...@gmail.com wrote: +1 On 15 November 2010 03:50, Jambi michael.lukaszc...@googlemail.comwrote: I definitely agree! The new CellWidgets are realy nice, but we need more ;)!! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comgoogle-web-toolkit%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. -- Prashant www.claymus.com code.google.com/p/claymus/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comgoogle-web-toolkit%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. -- Garin Yan Software Engineer, International Service Founder International Co.,Ltd. Address: Suzhou International Science Park (Phase V) 328 Xinghu Rd., Suzhou, Jiangsu, P.R.China, 215123 Tel：+86 512 86665500-7063 Fax：+86 512 87183808 Cell:151 0621 9276 yangu...@gmail.com || www.founderinternational.com Enjoying 20 years of success satisfying global leaders with every IT need -- Founder’s 30,000 employees are committed to helping you succeed. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
All I Want for Christmas is a powerful Widget Library from Google !
GWT with its powerful set of features, make Large Scale Ajax software development possible. from Java to JS compiler, all the optimization, code splitting, MVP, Guice and Gin, new data binding features, and one can go on and on ... However one important aspect seem to be neglected for years and not aknowledged by GWT team is the absense of a powerful Widget library. The widget set provided by GWT is very basic, and does not include many many widgets needed to make more complex UI interaction possible. Drag and Drop (Tree for example or Grid, Filter), Calendar, Combo Box, Complex grids (sort, filter, etc) to name a few. All the effort that goes into crafting a well architected and tested app goes unnoticed unfortunately cause its about First Impression most of the time ! if you invest hours and hours to get the basic browser history working, all the design for testability etc, but dont have a pretty looking front-end, its just not fair ! We often see posts here and on other forums from developers requiring more advanced widgets to develop their apps. there are alternatives out there, SmartGWT, Ext-GWT. They are great, lots of eye candy, but they encourage a more desk-top style apps on the web, which goes against Google best practices that says not to turn web apps into desktop-like apps). also third-party libraries dont fit well with MVP, API inconsistency, they are also are hard to customize beyond the provided themes. and some of the other open-source ones are too experimental. You can argue that well go create your own. but that does not make any sense at all. if GWT is for Large Scale applications, does it make sense that developers spend their time experimenting with where to position close- icon on a Tab ?! or adding maximize/minimize to a dialog ? what about these ubuquitous Callout Tooltips ? or implement drag and drop on a tree which is going to be a maintanance nightmare down the road ?! each project creating their own in-house widget library ?! and test it ? an alternative could be to use GWT along-side JQuery/YUI, because there are hundreds if not thousands of variation for each plugin you can think out there. but does it make sense to do all the optimization in GWT, only to load additional JS Libraries to use plugins on top of them? Google acquired Instantiations(GWT Designer) a while ago, which was great news, although many are waiting for them to add UiBinder feature(still in beta), it was a great move by Google. I was thinking if Google Team is busy with the architectural aspect of GWT, why not invest in or acquire a company to work on a powerful and complete Widget Library to put others to shame. (after all its Google, right ?!) I can understand why they have not done this so far, because Google have always been about simplicity and investing in more bleeding-edge technologies, but they can acquire others to do this for GWT community ! The GWT team have done a superb job in creating this powerful Toolkit, and been so generous in sharing it with us. for that i am very grateful. But a boy can dream ! All I Want for Christmas is a powerful Widget Library ! a mix between Ext (Application-Oriented) and JQuery plugins (Designer oriented/eye candy/effects) ! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
