Re: [h-cost] minimum yardage for 14/15th century kirtle
snip Look at The Seven Sacraments and a Deposition by Jan van Eyck and the Gravende altarpiece by Hans Memlng. This dress is in there, seams visible. Good luck with the project, -Helen/Aidan I looked at the Web Gallery of Art and found those first two titles by Rogier van der Weyden was that a typo in your post or have I missed something with the same titles by van Eyck? Elizabeth Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: robin's suggestion
I can attest to the comfort of this dress. I have been wearing this style for about 20 years in the SCA.. summer and winter in the South and over some fairly wide weight changes with minor adjustments. My first was with the cord (still have), but since have used straps. Beth At 02:10 AM 3/22/2007, you wrote: Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 21:08:40 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: robin's suggestion On Wed, 21 Mar 2007, Gail Scott Finke wrote: I have never noticed the arm/shoulder treatment in that dress before. How does it work, exactly? And why is it like that? It looks as if the front of the bodice has a shoulder strap that connects to a string or cord of some kind attached to the back of the dress. That pretty much describes it. As far as I can tell, it makes the dress more adjustable -- and would be easier to make without having to fit exactly to the person. I suppose it might also be done as an alteration to fit a later wearer. As it happens, I did mine with a solid strap as seen in some of the other images, but I used this image as the source for some other details in the side lacing and skirt. --Robin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: dye vessels...
On Thu, 22 Mar 2007, cahuff wrote: For what it's worth, I've done heated dyeing with clay vessels set on the side of the fire...And threatened anyone with death if they went dry or started to over heat G They worked very well. Our cooks also cooked stews in the same manner (and with the same big stick!) We were doing some experimental stuff, no real direct evidence, but it worked very well. I also have done a small woad vat in a clay container--moving it is the real challenge...not a problem in ancient cultures! Thanks for your answer! How large were these clay vessels, and how much textile were you able to dye in them? Ingrid -- This email has been scanned for viruses spam by Domenebutikken - www.domenebutikken.no Denne e-posten er sjekket for virus spam av Domenebutikken - www.domenebutikken.no ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Dyeing pots 350-575 AD?
Ingrid, I can't help you a bit, but am wondering if there aren't some other lists for where you might get some help. I will forward to my Croft list (they do a lot of spinning and weaving and dyeing.) Maybe someone there will know, or know of a group which will know. Sg - Original Message - From: Ingrid G. Storrø [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Isabel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 2:25 PM Subject: [h-cost] Dyeing pots 350-575 AD? Hi, all! I have a question that's tangentially relevant to natural dyeing of textiles in the period from 350-575 AD. I know there are many consummate dyers on the list, so maybe somebody here will know! A friend of mine is writing her Master's thesis on ceramic vessels in Norway in the period mentioned, and she has a theory that some of them may have been used to dye small amounts of thread or other textile matter. Specifically for this she's looking at bucket-shaped pottery, probably earthenware burned at temperatures between 650-800 degrees Celsius. An illustration can be found here, it's the one at the bottom right: http://www.ub.uib.no/asp/elpub.asp?PublName=Vestlandskeaar=1?sp=1ep=177pn=119 These vessel are fairly heat resistant as they are tempered with asbestos or soap-stone material. This means they will dispach heat evenly to the content over a long period after being heated. So here's the rub: these vessels, like most ceramics found from the period, are usually fairly small. Apparently cooking pots normally held between 4-8 litres. These bucket-shaped ones in her material range from 0.8 litres to 17 litres, with an average of 1.5 litres. To me this sounds like most of them are too small to dye much in - but then I've never really done much yarn dyeing. So, to the point of my long and winding question: does anybody have any thoughts about or, even better, references to any of the following: - Would these vessels be too small to dye in, or is it likely that they could have been used because larger vessels just weren't that normal? - Any books or serious websites that go into techniques and materials used for dyeing specifically for this period? - There are examples from the period of textiles that would have been yarn dyed, for example the tablet-woven bands from Evebø, Høgom and Snartemo finds. At Snartemo the bands are woven from horsehair (tail hair) which was dyed yellow, white (probably undyed?), red and blue. What dyestuffs would have been used? I would guess weld, madder or kermes, and woad. Does that sound likely? The reason why I ask is that these are all dyestuffs that would require some sort of heating in a Scandinavian climate, which might rule out wooden vessels for dyeing. I suppose you could set a woad fermentation vat without any additional heat, but it might be difficult to get it to work properly. So I guess the question would actually be: does anybody know of dyestuffs that would give these colours _without_ the addition of heat? Um, I think that's all I can think of right now. It's potentially a huge, complex question, I know, but if anybody could point me to any sources or share their own experiences I'd be grateful. :) Ingrid -- This email has been scanned for viruses spam by Domenebutikken - www.domenebutikken.no Denne e-posten er sjekket for virus spam av Domenebutikken - www.domenebutikken.no ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] yardage for short cloak?
Hi Aylwen, since I draft most of my own patterns, I am always looking to other's yardage recommendations. I use the Internet for this all the time. Reconstructing History has a great spectrum of patterns to look at. Here is a Man's Musketeer Cloak http://tinyurl.com/24cgke It recommends 5 yards. Used to be you could see the back of the pattern on some of these siteshaving a little difficulty at the moment finding one. http://giftshop.scottishtartans.org/patterns.htm This one for instance has a mantle for which she recommends 2.5 yards at 45 That is pretty skimpy. I can't recommend the patterns themselves, as I've not used them, but the yardage requirements seem to work fairly well. I am sure if you wrote Kass, she would tell you though. Here is one for a Moroccan Bernoose. http://www.folkwear.com/caravan.html (Follow the link to the yardage requirement) It has a shorter version too. Sg - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 6:05 PM Subject: [h-cost] yardage for short cloak? Hi, I'm distant from my books and patterns right now and need to work out the yardage required to make a full short cloak out of narrow velveteen. What would you recommend? The cloak needs to go to the hip on a med/large guy. Many thanks, Aylwen ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Re: robin's suggestion
I wonder if it (shoulder string) was something they did for children's clothing, to allow for growth. She appears to be a young woman, could still be growing? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gail Scott Finke Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 6:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] Re: robin's suggestion on 3/21/07 3:00 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For 3 3/4 yd of 45 wide fabric, particularly in dark gold silk noil, consider this: http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/g/gentiles/orazio/luteplay.html I once did this out of two wool scraps that totaled about 2 1/2 yards (OK, they were 60 inches wide, but you've got much more than that). A bonus: cheap spun silks, similar to noil, would have been used for non-wealthy Italians in this period. And there's your color documented for you right in that painting. I have never noticed the arm/shoulder treatment in that dress before. How does it work, exactly? And why is it like that? It looks as if the front of the bodice has a shoulder strap that connects to a string or cord of some kind attached to the back of the dress. Gail Finke ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Re: robin's suggestion
At 10:01 22/03/2007, you wrote: I wonder if it (shoulder string) was something they did for children's clothing, to allow for growth. She appears to be a young woman, could still be growing? This is similar to tying the straps of a corset to the front of the bodice. Any reason why this should not perform a similar job? She seems to have a fairly stiff bodice on. Suzi on 3/21/07 3:00 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For 3 3/4 yd of 45 wide fabric, particularly in dark gold silk noil, consider this: http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/g/gentiles/orazio/luteplay.html I once did this out of two wool scraps that totaled about 2 1/2 yards (OK, they were 60 inches wide, but you've got much more than that). A bonus: cheap spun silks, similar to noil, would have been used for non-wealthy Italians in this period. And there's your color documented for you right in that painting. I have never noticed the arm/shoulder treatment in that dress before. How does it work, exactly? And why is it like that? It looks as if the front of the bodice has a shoulder strap that connects to a string or cord of some kind attached to the back of the dress. Gail Finke ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] minimum yardage for 14/15th century kirtle
That's beyond a typo. It's the Greverade Altarpiece by Memling. The same dress also appears in a Crucifixion by Memling. Both are at the Web Gallery of Art. -Helen/Aidan - Original Message - From: Elizabeth Walpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 3:09 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] minimum yardage for 14/15th century kirtle snip Look at The Seven Sacraments and a Deposition by Jan van Eyck and the Gravende altarpiece by Hans Memlng. This dress is in there, seams visible. Good luck with the project, -Helen/Aidan I looked at the Web Gallery of Art and found those first two titles by Rogier van der Weyden was that a typo in your post or have I missed something with the same titles by van Eyck? Elizabeth Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] New Website Chronicling America through historic newspapers
Sorry for the cross-post. I got this from one of the government info websites today. This website could make it easier to research American history in different parts of the country, for example how New York CIty helped with disaster relief after the San Francisco earthquake of 1906. NEH WEBSITE OFFERS NEWSPAPER ARCHIVE TO HISTORIANS The National Endowment for the Humanities and Library of Congress have launched a website, 'Chronicling America: Historic American Newspapers', that contains more than 226,000 pages of newspapers from California, Florida, Kentucky, New York, Utah, Virginia, and the District of Columbia published between 1900 and 1910. The link to the complete NEH announcement is: http://www.neh.gov/news/archive/20070321.html This announcement goes on to say, Ultimately, over a period of approximately 20 years, NDNP will create a national, digital resource of historically significant newspapers from all the states and U.S. territories published between 1836 and 1922. Also on the Web site, an accompanying national newspaper directory of bibliographic and holdings information directs users to newspaper titles in all types of formats. I think this is pretty exciting, not just for costume research - think of all the photos of regular people! - but of what exactly was going on all over the country during these exciting times and the opinions from elsewhere. I can't wait to hear what the people in Kentucky thought of the Gold Rush, or the Californians of Colorado Gold Rush. LynnD The History Geek ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] rich man
On Thursday 22 March 2007 4:35 pm, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: If i were a rich man: http://tinyurl.com/3888jm Oh, my yes. I can find plenty to envy on this page too. *Real* silk velvet...and brocades to die for. -- Cathy Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] If only God would give me some clear sign! Like making a large deposit in my name at a Swiss Bank. -- Woody Allen ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] rich man
sigh, drool, drool, indeed! I think I'm in love! --Sue, craving the blue/yellow lampas weaveonly $240/yd. - Original Message - From: Bjarne og Leif Drews [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 1:35 PM Subject: [h-cost] rich man If i were a rich man: http://tinyurl.com/3888jm Sigh droll droll Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
