Re: [h-cost] Overlocker thread
So, what was your solution; different brand/style of needles, or no more silk thread? Just Curious! Betsy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Audrey Bergeron-Morin Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 10:22 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Overlocker thread My new computerised Viking sews fine with brands like Metrosene and Mettler, but shreds silk thread. When I had that problem with my Viking I found out it was the needle, not the machine, that was shredding the thread. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Danish Renaissance dress.
Hi all, I have received some close up photos of the portrait i am going to make the dress from, and i have uploaded to my webpage, mind the big files! http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/br.htm Am i right to suggest that this could be a small wheelfarthingale? To me the angle of the bodice - skirt is nearly 90 degrees. Its not possible to see because of both hands covering the area, but i would make a pleated frill on top of the wheel? Am i quite wrong with this, please let me know what you think: Comments most welcome and greatly apreciated. Portrait painted in 1614 and Denmark was a little behind new fashions. Bjarne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Danish Renaissance dress.
It does look like a small French Farthingale or perhaps just a padded rollthere being a very small [or none at all] bit of bulk at the CF [the strip of trim there seems to have a bit of a highlight at the point of the bodice] It is my understanding that at this point in time you sometimes see a Spanish Farthingale under a fuller pleated skirtsometimes with a pad at the top. The angle at the waist looks too severe to be just the pleats of the skirt holding it out. But the skirt definitely has a hint of that conical shape you get with a Spanish farthingale. **Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod000301) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Danish Renaissance dress.
Because the top of this is rounded, rather than flat, I'd go with a padded roll/cushion kind of thing. The wheel fathingales were also much larger in portion to the waist than this one is, though it's bigger than a typical padded hip/bum roll. Maybe a transtional style? The shape I'd go with would be a c shape for the waist with a larger C for the outer edge with the distance at the sides about 6 inches (15 cm) maybe a little larger in the back. Thickness of the pad would be what sits best on the hips to make the skirts stand out as required. hope this helps alex On 5/15/08, Leif og Bjarne Drews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I have received some close up photos of the portrait i am going to make the dress from, and i have uploaded to my webpage, mind the big files! http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/br.htm Am i right to suggest that this could be a small wheelfarthingale? To me the angle of the bodice - skirt is nearly 90 degrees. Its not possible to see because of both hands covering the area, but i would make a pleated frill on top of the wheel? Am i quite wrong with this, please let me know what you think: Comments most welcome and greatly apreciated. Portrait painted in 1614 and Denmark was a little behind new fashions. Bjarne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- I'm buying this fabric/book now in case I have an emergency...you know, having to suddenly make presents for everyone, sickness,flood, injury, mosquito infestations, not enough silk in the house, it's Friday... ;) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Knitting machines
WEll actually ...do you remember having the spool with the nails and the yarn got looped over the nail and then you wrapped again and...well if you ever had one...this is making sense...a knitting loom is sort of like that concept with the lay the yarn out nd loops come through and ..gosh im not helping am I? but they come in a few different forms... Bambi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 5/13/2008 11:38:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How much is it like using a weaving loom? I love knitted sweaters, I used to crochet, but for some reason I just have never wanted to knit by hand. Fran I don't know if anyone has answered this yet but I don't think it's anything like a weaving loom. You have to manually increase and decrease and bind off, and if you're using the ribbing attachment you have to manually transfer the stitches over to it. Other than that it's just a matter of moving the carriage back and forth. If you want a design, you just put a punch card in, add the other color you want, then just go back and forth with the carriage. I also have a lace attachment but I've never tried using it. You still have to sew the pieces together by hand or you could use a serger. I didn't have a serger at the time I was using my knitting machine a lot. There is a special carriage or machine you can buy to connect the pieces. I actually have an old one I bought somewhere but never tried it out. Chris **Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod000301) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Bambi (To be named ater) TBNL I am made for great things by GOD and walk with Pride Walladah bint al Mustakfi c 900ad (please correct me if i have the date wrong!) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Danish Renaissance dress.
Hi, Thanks Alexandria, In patterns of Fashion vol. 1560- 1620 there actually are small wheel farthingales shown on effigy figures (page 68-69) About the same size these are dated 1610 so it would be very close to 1614 in Denmark. Could off cause also be a roll as you have mentioned, and i am aware that the foot of the skirt, suggests a spanish farthingale. What i wondered was if it would be way two far out to make the dress with this pleated frill in the top at (either the roll or the wheel) It was very fashionable at this time. Thanks for your comments! Bjarne - Original Message - From: Alexandria Doyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Danish Renaissance dress. Because the top of this is rounded, rather than flat, I'd go with a padded roll/cushion kind of thing. The wheel fathingales were also much larger in portion to the waist than this one is, though it's bigger than a typical padded hip/bum roll. Maybe a transtional style? The shape I'd go with would be a c shape for the waist with a larger C for the outer edge with the distance at the sides about 6 inches (15 cm) maybe a little larger in the back. Thickness of the pad would be what sits best on the hips to make the skirts stand out as required. hope this helps alex On 5/15/08, Leif og Bjarne Drews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I have received some close up photos of the portrait i am going to make the dress from, and i have uploaded to my webpage, mind the big files! http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/br.htm Am i right to suggest that this could be a small wheelfarthingale? To me the angle of the bodice - skirt is nearly 90 degrees. Its not possible to see because of both hands covering the area, but i would make a pleated frill on top of the wheel? Am i quite wrong with this, please let me know what you think: Comments most welcome and greatly apreciated. Portrait painted in 1614 and Denmark was a little behind new fashions. Bjarne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- I'm buying this fabric/book now in case I have an emergency...you know, having to suddenly make presents for everyone, sickness,flood, injury, mosquito infestations, not enough silk in the house, it's Friday... ;) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Danish Renaissance dress.
Because of its small size you could probably get away with a French farthingale. You might want to read Robin's exhausitive expirmentation on that subject. I personally don't see much roundness but as small as it is, based on Robin's work, I'd say you could achieve it that way. And based on her hand position, I'd say it is flat in front.I think the flounce is totally appropriate. This style lasted, in various forms well in to the 1630's in the Germanic states. Sg I still have part of my experimentation on farthingales for the Elizaben gown I did for the Phoenix Art Museum if you are interested. I'd have to send you the individual links as my website is still under massive reconstruction after loosing all the picture links. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 16:35:26 +0200 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Danish Renaissance dress. Hi, Thanks Alexandria, In patterns of Fashion vol. 1560- 1620 there actually are small wheel farthingales shown on effigy figures (page 68-69) About the same size these are dated 1610 so it would be very close to 1614 in Denmark. Could off cause also be a roll as you have mentioned, and i am aware that the foot of the skirt, suggests a spanish farthingale. What i wondered was if it would be way two far out to make the dress with this pleated frill in the top at (either the roll or the wheel) It was very fashionable at this time. Thanks for your comments! Bjarne - Original Message - From: Alexandria Doyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Danish Renaissance dress.Because the top of this is rounded,! rather than flat, I'd go with a padded roll/cushion kind of thing. The wheel fathingales were also much larger in portion to the waist than this one is, though it's bigger than a typical padded hip/bum roll. Maybe a transtional style? The shape I'd go with would be a c shape for the waist with a larger C for the outer edge with the distance at the sides about 6 inches (15 cm) maybe a little larger in the back. Thickness of the pad would be what sits best on the hips to make the skirts stand out as required. hope this helps alex On 5/15/08, Leif og Bjarne Drews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I have received some close up photos of the portrait i am going to make the dress from, and i have uploaded to my webpage, mind the big files! http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/br.htm Am i right to suggest that this could be a small wheelfarthingale? To me the angle of the bodice - skirt is nearly 90 de! grees. Its not possible to see because of both hands cover! ing the area, but i would make a pleated frill on top of the wheel? Am i quite wrong with this, please let me know what you think: Comments most welcome and greatly apreciated. Portrait painted in 1614 and Denmark was a little behind new fashions. Bjarne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- I'm buying this fabric/book now in case I have an emergency...you know, having to suddenly make presents for everyone, sickness,flood, injury, mosquito infestations, not enough silk in the house, it's Friday... ;) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listin! fo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Tie on pockets, dating correction
If there were tie on pockets *before* the 1700s, well, it certainly could be possible, after all, these pockets couldn't have spontaneously appeared in the year 1700. :) There are pockets in 16th C. Italian Paintings -- there just aren't... Yes, Allesandro Allori frescoes show several. Very practical unadorned; they dont appear embroidered, one appears to have some sort of braid covering a possible seam line. The pockets are not shown on principal characters in the frescoes, instead they are on the birthing room staff, for example. Look for the gals with their sleeves rolled up. any extant pockets that I know of -- although, niggling in the back of my brain is an extant pocket that dates from pre-1650. Museo del Traje, there is a 1575-1600 pocket in silver? gold? bullion on formerly white silk. Unknown provenance. Perhaps someone reads Spanish better than I do. Check their website look for bolsa and indumentaria histórica. --cin Cynthia Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Number of machines.Was Sewing and Embroidery Machines
So why do people have so many? Do you not trade in the old one when buying a new one, which is what I do? Do you have machines that do different things? Hi Suzi! Two of them are for historical re-creation events. I had a great time at one San Jose Historical Society event sewing up a simple apron with my 1890s hand cranked luggable Amazon machine. Zillions of boy scouts, little girls, curious parents had to try it. I'd let people crank and I'd sew simple straight seams. Little boys are speed demons like to crank really fast... when they start competing, time to switch to lecture mode... or distract them by asking if they can figure out how the machine works. And of the rest, yes, the sturdy Singer is for leather, kevlar, canvas; the Viking embroiders; the Babylock overlocks, but the 1940s machine is just charming. No special or unique features. --cin Cynthia Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Tie on pockets, dating correction
Hi, This may be stupid, but -- aren't their pocket *slits* in some of the Herjolfsnes/Greenland finds? Which would suggest underlying pockets 13th century, even though they don't show up in paintings. Lauren ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Tie on pockets, dating correction
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This may be stupid, but -- aren't their pocket *slits* in some of the Herjolfsnes/Greenland finds? Which would suggest underlying pockets 13th century, even though they don't show up in paintings. The pocket slits in 14th c. clothing are generally understood as being a way to provide access to a belt, fastened over an underdress but below an overdress, holding a pouch or other items out of sight. It's not absolutely certain, though. The Herjolfsnes finds date mostly from the very late 14th c., not the 13th. Some bits appear to be rather earlier or later but I don't think they're relevant to this question. --Robin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Tie on pockets, dating correction
Thanks for the clarification, Robin, and sorry about the century -- I'm obsessed with the, like, three 13th century pieces out of the Greenland finds so I forget that the vast majority of stuff was later. -- Original message -- From: Robin Netherton [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This may be stupid, but -- aren't their pocket *slits* in some of the Herjolfsnes/Greenland finds? Which would suggest underlying pockets 13th century, even though they don't show up in paintings. The pocket slits in 14th c. clothing are generally understood as being a way to provide access to a belt, fastened over an underdress but below an overdress, holding a pouch or other items out of sight. It's not absolutely certain, though. The Herjolfsnes finds date mostly from the very late 14th c., not the 13th. Some bits appear to be rather earlier or later but I don't think they're relevant to this question. --Robin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Tie on pockets, dating correction
In case anyone had trouble finding the pocket on the Museo Del Traje website, here's the enlarged photo: http://snipurl.com/290d3 [museodeltraje_mcu_es] And here's the inventory [inventario] number: CE000790 As far as when they started carrying pockets goes, brace yourselves as I make a completely non-costume-geek-like statement: I mean really, how different are separate pockets and pouches anyway?! Ok, sorry, just having a moment. Carry on. -E House (just bought her first house about 30 minutes ago) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Tie on pockets, dating correction
Congratulations on buying a house. If I were having a less stupid day I would make some kind of clever observation about your name and home ownership. Anyway, congrats and best wishes! Lauren -- Original message -- From: Exstock [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case anyone had trouble finding the pocket on the Museo Del Traje website, here's the enlarged photo: http://snipurl.com/290d3 [museodeltraje_mcu_es] And here's the inventory [inventario] number: CE000790 As far as when they started carrying pockets goes, brace yourselves as I make a completely non-costume-geek-like statement: I mean really, how different are separate pockets and pouches anyway?! Ok, sorry, just having a moment. Carry on. -E House (just bought her first house about 30 minutes ago) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Tie on pockets, dating correction
At 17:24 15/05/2008, you wrote: If there were tie on pockets *before* the 1700s, well, it certainly could be possible, after all, these pockets couldn't have spontaneously appeared in the year 1700. :) There are pockets in 16th C. Italian Paintings -- there just aren't... Yes, Allesandro Allori frescoes show several. Very practical unadorned; they dont appear embroidered, one appears to have some sort of braid covering a possible seam line. The pockets are not shown on principal characters in the frescoes, instead they are on the birthing room staff, for example. Look for the gals with their sleeves rolled up. any extant pockets that I know of -- although, niggling in the back of my brain is an extant pocket that dates from pre-1650. Museo del Traje, there is a 1575-1600 pocket in silver? gold? bullion on formerly white silk. Unknown provenance. Perhaps someone reads Spanish better than I do. Check their website look for bolsa and indumentaria histórica. There is a basic English language version of the web site, which makes it easier to find things. The Bolso is in the Jewellery and Accessories part of the site. (The search thingy is case sensitive.) Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Tie on pockets, dating correction
Lauren wrote: This may be stupid, but -- aren't their pocket *slits* in some of the Herjolfsnes/Greenland finds? Which would suggest underlying pockets 13th century, even though they don't show up in paintings. It certainly seems likely that pocket slits are to provide access to *something* hidden under the outer layer of garments, and the common thought is that in at least some cases, that something is some sort of self-contained pocket or pouch (i.e. not sewn into the seam as is the case with modern pockets) that is hung from some sort of waist tie or belt. What *form* that pouch takes, however, is less certain -- since we generally don't get to see it g. The surviving 17th-18th century pockets seem to be flat, closed at the top and with a slit or opened seam partway down one side, giving access to the contents. On the other hand, when we get to see earlier pouches (such as in a painting where someone has lifted up the outer layer to display them) they seem to be simple drawstring bags with the opening at the top. Same principle, different shapes. I'd certainly consider it very plausible, for a lot of medieval and renaissance contexts, to make one or two of the drawstring type of pouch, hang it/them from a ribbon tied around my waist, and wear them under a top layer with pocket slits. I'd be more doubtful about the plausibility of the later, flat style of hanging pocket in contexts before about 1600. (Though I haven't looked at the Spanish example yet.) OTOH, I can testify that the later style is certainly easier to get one's hand into when you can't see what you're doing so practicality might win in that case. (I have a farthingaleI made with a two-piece adjustable waistband, and it has side openings from the waist down to about thigh level. I sewed a pair of just this sort of flat pockets into the lower part of the openings, so they hang down *inside* the hoops. There are corresponding pocket slits in the outer gown. Very practical to keep a bulky wallet, keys and checkbook in, and they don't show at all -- but I don't have any historical justification for it, just practicality.) 0 Chris Laning | [EMAIL PROTECTED] + Davis, California http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Tie on pockets, dating correction [was: Pockets; was: Italian Ren gowns and purses/pouches]
Replying to a couple of emails. Thank you to whomever found the photo at Museo de Traje (can't find that email at the moment). I'm adding it to my collection. :) Susan Farmer wrote: A lady in the SCA has her research (and the snippets from a couple of the paintings) here http://katerina.purplefiles.net/garb/diaries/Kat's%20Soccaccia.html Yes, I saw this link posted earlier. Unfortunately, she says this is so without citing where she may have read it or why she came to such a conclusion. But I love these pictures, because they do predate the 1700s, and the pouches do so much resemble 18th century pockets in shape and style. I wanted to see the whole paintings, and fortunately Kimiko uploaded scans: http://www.kimiko1.com/research-16th/ModaFirenze/index.html She quoted a bit of what _Moda a Firenze_ had to say about these pocket-pouches, which the above website appears also to be quoting, and when I have a chance I'll have to crack open my copy and read up on it myself. Exstock wrote: As far as when they started carrying pockets goes, brace yourselves as I make a completely non-costume-geek-like statement: I mean really, how different are separate pockets and pouches anyway?! I couldn't agree with you more! I don't know why 18th century tie-on pockets are called pockets at all and not pouches, but pocket is a documentably period term. Congratulations on the house. House in the house! Sorry, I had to try. :) Claudine ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Tie on pockets, dating correction
This just hit my brain. Looking at http://katerina.purplefiles.net/garb/diaries/Kat%27s%20Soccaccia.html the second picture, it looks as if the pocket might have been made from what was originally the slit in an outer garment for reaching in for the pouch or pocket. That the triangle pieces may have been the tops of gores. De ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Overlocker thread
On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 5:19 AM, Betsy Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, what was your solution; different brand/style of needles, or no more silk thread? Just Curious! Betsy In my case, new needles. The type, size and brand of needle also makes a difference. Your dealer should know which ones are better with what kind of thread. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Overlocker thread
So, what was your solution; different brand/style of needles, or no more silk thread? Just Curious! Betsy Sorry I hit send too soon. I wanted to say I didn't use silk thread, but I was using very fine synthetic thread (my brain wants me to say rayon but it might have been nylon). It kept shredding and being generally very annoying, until I changed my needle. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] House, was: Tie on pockets, dating correction
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Congratulations on the house. House in the house! Sorry, I had to try. :) Hee, thanks! Hey, after almost 11 years of marriage, I still haven't gotten over being amused by my own last name. (And it gets even better--the husband just became a PhD candidate, so in 3-5 years I'll be married to Dr. House. One of my favorite TV shows!) -the future Mrs. Dr. House... ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1830s-40s Boots and Shoes
- Original Message - From: Serena Dyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 3:34 AM Subject: [h-cost] 1830s-40s Boots and Shoes Can anyone recommend a good maker of 1830s-40s ladies' boots or shoes? Accurate ones seem to be a very hard to come by thing! Thanks Serena Dyer I've heard good things about Robert Land http://www.robertlandhistoricshoes.com/servlet/StoreFront from the 1860s American Civil War crowd. From the little bit of research I've done 1840s shoes (at least for women, I haven't looked at mens shoes) were not hugely different in style to the 1860s so you might try asking him if he would do something a little earlier. HTH Elizabeth Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]grapevine.com.au http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Tie on pockets, dating correction [was: Pockets; was: Italian Ren gowns and purses/pouches]
I'm a bit behind in my emails, but I hope those images of the loose pockets help. The book doesn't state much beyond what I posted, tho I haven't read it all yet, so I may have missed a comment elsewhere in the book. The earliest I've found comments on 16th century pockets in general were from the trial of Anne Boleyn, when one of her supposed lovers Wyatt claimed that Anne had given him a jewel (or something) from her pocket. What the pocket looked like or how it was accessed, I do not know. The story was mentioned briefly in the book Dress in the Court of King Henry VIII, but the author did not go into any details on pockets (much to my surprise). Doing a quick google search, Jstor has the article that mentions the Anne Boleyn story, but I don't have access to those articles. The Fall of Anne Boleyn G. W. Bernard http://www.jstor.org/pss/573258 Also, there is an image of an attached pocket on a man's jacket skirt in the Mary Rose book (name escapes me, but the one that has all the extant items in it). I think I've wandered a different direction on pockets, so I will end here. Kimiko --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But I love these pictures, because they do predate the 1700s, and the pouches do so much resemble 18th century pockets in shape and style. I wanted to see the whole paintings, and fortunately Kimiko uploaded scans: http://www.kimiko1.com/research-16th/ModaFirenze/index.html She quoted a bit of what _Moda a Firenze_ had to say about these pocket-pouches, which the above website appears also to be quoting, and when I have a chance I'll have to crack open my copy and read up on it myself. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] House, was: Tie on pockets, dating correction
Hope he's easier to live with than that TV guy... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Exstock Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 3:58 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] House, was: Tie on pockets, dating correction - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Congratulations on the house. House in the house! Sorry, I had to try. :) Hee, thanks! Hey, after almost 11 years of marriage, I still haven't gotten over being amused by my own last name. (And it gets even better--the husband just became a PhD candidate, so in 3-5 years I'll be married to Dr. House. One of my favorite TV shows!) -the future Mrs. Dr. House... ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Knitting machines
On May 15, 2008, at 10:28 AM, Bambi TBNL wrote: Well actually ...do you remember having the spool with the nails and the yarn got looped over the nail and then you wrapped again and...well if you ever had one...this is making sense...a knitting loom is sort of like that concept with the lay the yarn out nd loops come through and ..gosh im not helping am I? but they come in a few different forms... Bambi You're talking about a peg frame, which is not like a modern home knitting machine and not like the knitting frame invented by Reverend Lee in 1589. The terms can be confusing — Lee's machine was called a knitting frame, a hand frame and a stocking loom among other things. There are peg frames from the late 18th century, purse moulds, that were used to make small purses. Peg frame enthusiasts will sometimes cite the terms for the Lee frame as being proof of the use of peg frames, but it is not the same thing. Lee's machine was really quite complex. It would knit an entire row at once (in a series of steps), whereas modern latch hook machines (both domestic and industrial) knit as the carriage goes across, essentially knitting one stitch after another. -Carol ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
