Re: [h-cost] OT: Standard American Diet
Message: 12 Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 09:59:15 -0400 (EDT) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Standard American Diet To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii That being said - the science is clear - ALL fats are unhealthy. Basically they stop your blood vessles from dilating for hours after you eat any fat. It dammages the walls, makes the platlets more sticky. Know anyone with a heart bypass yet? Truth is all of their arteries are clogged. The Vietnam soldiers who died in their early 20's all had signs of arteries clogging. Based upon that you can assume that everyone living a western diet has clogged arteries and should be on a no-added-fat diet. Not entirely - you need some fats (fatty acids are essential for brain function) - even a little bit of cholesterol. For anyone with thyriod problems you really need to read what Dr. John McDougall has found in research. Slightly elevated thyroid hormone results in increased cholesterol and risk of strokes and heart attacks. You should treat before you are offically hypothyroid. Don't believe that soy brassica and other things (sea weed) have anything to do with it - there is no science behind that; not unless you are deficient in iodine and with the amount of (iodized) salt we get in our diet that ain't a possible. Interesting about the soy and brassica thing - I'd never heard that before. I read to avoid red meat and peanuts when I was first diagnosed. Yes, I am another one with autoimmune hypothyroidism. I developed it as an exceedingly healthy and essentially vegetarian 23 yr old. There is a genetic component, but not in my family. I acquired it in another common way to get autoimmune disorders, which is to have the 'flu. The immune system overreacts and starts thinking parts of you look tasty. This is more likely in people who were not ill much as children apparently - the immune system doesn't have a chance to calibrate its response appropriately. I was a classic case of this. I was hardly ever ill as a child, and when I was, I had the mildest possible case of whatever it was (in fact I'm still like this to a certain extent). This is so off topic, but since there are a few people out there with thyroid problems, what do you do about collars? I have always been one of those people who hate something close around their neck, and now I have a mild goiter from time to time, it is worse. Claire ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] OT: Standard American Diet/Thyroid goitre
For anyone with thyriod problems you really need to read what Dr. John McDougall has found in research. Slightly elevated thyroid hormone results in increased cholesterol and risk of strokes and heart attacks. You should treat before you are offically hypothyroid. Don't believe that soy brassica and other things (sea weed) have anything to do with it - there is no science behind that; not unless you are deficient in iodine and with the amount of (iodized) salt we get in our diet that ain't a possible. I have had a thyroid problem since shortly after my son was born - about 27 years ago. This is a regular occurrence, apparently - that you can have a flare up after pregnancy. I do not take salt, so iodized salt would have made no difference - it is a hormonal problem. I have put on weight because my hormone imbalance, eased by taking synthetic thyroxine, occasionally gets out of sync. (Underactive = weight gain, normal = stable weight, overactive = weight loss, raised blood pressure, pulse etc. so I am not allowed this!) Interesting about the soy and brassica thing - I'd never heard that before. I read to avoid red meat and peanuts when I was first diagnosed. Yes, I am another one with autoimmune hypothyroidism. I developed it as an exceedingly healthy and essentially vegetarian 23 yr old. There is a genetic component, but not in my family. I acquired it in another common way to get autoimmune disorders, which is to have the 'flu. The immune system overreacts and starts thinking parts of you look tasty. This is more likely in people who were not ill much as children apparently - the immune system doesn't have a chance to calibrate its response appropriately. I was a classic case of this. I was hardly ever ill as a child, and when I was, I had the mildest possible case of whatever it was (in fact I'm still like this to a certain extent). I have not been told to avoid anything. I read I am supposed to eat this and that for hormone balance, but avoid the other stuff because of another medical problem, and eat such and such for a third. So I eat moderate amounts of food I like, and keep checking the blood levels. I do not have raised cholesterol, and have not been told they are related, although I do understand that osteoporosis can be a side effect. This is so off topic, but since there are a few people out there with thyroid problems, what do you do about collars? I have always been one of those people who hate something close around their neck, and now I have a mild goiter from time to time, it is worse. I never wear anything on my neck these days, as I have a scar where most of the thyroid gland was removed. It doesn't hurt, but my neck muscles have thickened, and high necks are all too tight and uncomfortable. If I get really cold, I will put a soft scarf in the neck of my top, but hate it. I rarely ever do up my winter coats either, although my jacket has a funnel style neck, and doesn't actually touch my neck. Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] OT: Standard American Diet
Mine said that they found out that soy has a chemical that interfers with iodine absorbtion. A friend of mine was diagnosed with hypothyroid, she cut the foods out that inhibited iodine absorbtion and exercised and six months later her thyroid test came back negative and lost 13 lbs. but in her case her thyroid is still working. Another friend w/hypothyroid (age 67) said she was having problems with her meds slowly not doing the job. I told her of the food I was told to avoid or regulate and she tried for a month and found an some improvement with her meds. To me a healthy diet is one that works with your own body chemistry and genetics. You are correct that sometime even eating correctly to meet the problem doesn't always work. But I like to think that there is always hope in turning something around, we just haven't figured out what it is yet. The positive with me is learning which resturants use soy oil or canola and the cooks learn as well. Though one place when I asked, said salad oil and when I asked but is it soy oil? they said it is vegetable oil, not soy. One restuarant waitress went back to ask about the margerine and was told vegetable oil base and I said soy or canola? They read the fine print and found out it was soy based. This appearantly answered a problem with the owner's wife having problem as she is allegic to soy and she thought the margerine was corn oil based. De -Original Message- Greetings De. I'm a few inches taller than you and weigh about the same. I have an autoimmune disorder and have to be on thyroid replacement meds (mine basically died) and some other pretty heavy duty drugs (all works, I'm fine), but my drs have all said that it is going to be very difficult for me to lose weight; that the best thing I can do for myself is to be fit, strong, and healthy, and not to sweat the weight issue. Eating healthy is always excellent, but it won't always fix the problems. Arlys ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] OT: Standard American Diet
And from the other end of the spectrum... My grandmother was raised in the south before we knew some of the things we know now about nutrition, fat, etc. Everything she ate as a child and cooked as an adult had bacon fat, butter, cream etc. Many dishes were fried and/or had gravy on them. I think you get the picture. She didn't work out and only received the exercise gained from house and yard work. She wasn't obese, but she wasn't stick thin either. She was a bit fluffy but by no means fat. And she lived to be 103 with no major health problems. She drove her own car well into her 90s and lived alone taking care of herself until she was 100. She never lost her mental awareness until she had the stroke that killed her. Genetics definitely plays a major role in things, as well. Exstock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: ... The dramtic rise in obestity, heart disease, cancer, autoimmune diseases like MS, type II diabeties, and the host of other western diseases aka the diseases of the kings are due to our SAD diet and lifestyle. You are what you eat and we currently eat a diet which has no history of safe consumption; snip Just to be contrary, I have to contrast my personal experience to these findings. more snip ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] OT: Standard American Diet
Weighing in again on this. And from the other end of the spectrum... My grandmother was raised in the south before we knew some of the things we know now about nutrition, fat, etc. Everything she ate as a child and cooked as an adult had bacon fat, butter, cream etc. Many dishes were fried and/or had gravy on them. I think you get the picture. She didn't work out and only received the exercise gained from house and yard work. She wasn't obese, but she wasn't stick thin either. She was a bit fluffy but by no means fat. I'm in the same boat - German heritage - lots of fried stuff, slices of butter on bread, butter fades into cakes by the pound As long as we were working on the farm or in construction all was well. That being said - the science is clear - ALL fats are unhealthy. Basically they stop your blood vessles from dilating for hours after you eat any fat. It dammages the walls, makes the platlets more sticky. Know anyone with a heart bypass yet? Truth is all of their arteries are clogged. The Vietnam soldiers who died in their early 20's all had signs of arteries clogging. Based upon that you can assume that everyone living a western diet has clogged arteries and should be on a no-added-fat diet. That being said; some people absorb lots of cholesterol from their diet and some pass it right thru like a carnivore. The science is not perfectly clear and never will be. We know that the more vegetarian the diet the healthier the people are. We know that WHOLE foods provide phytochemicals, fiber and a host of other things that help fight cancer, obesity etc. We know that active people eating such diets are never overweight (go to rural China some time); yet when they adopt our diet they adopt our diseases. Science is barking up the wrong tree by testing things in isolation. We now know that, chemically created vitamins increase cancer, heart disease and a host of other problems. The solution to our health problems is expensive drugs with nasty side effects and isolated chemical supplements. That's why I like Dr. John McDougalls take. Eat what our bodies are adapted to - a whole food, no added fat, mostly vegetarian diet. Eat foods that have generations of safe consumption behind them. For anyone with MS check out the Swank diet. For anyone with thyriod problems you really need to read what Dr. John McDougall has found in research. Slightly elevated thyroid hormone results in increased cholesterol and risk of strokes and heart attacks. You should treat before you are offically hypothyroid. Don't believe that soy brassica and other things (sea weed) have anything to do with it - there is no science behind that; not unless you are deficient in iodine and with the amount of (iodized) salt we get in our diet that ain't a possible. Yes weight gain with hypothyroid is normal as is thickening of the skin There are a wack of symptoms and apparently it's usually an autoimmune disease and if you have one you'll likely get another. Read books by Mary Shomon for hints about dealing with the weight. I've been there, foods made no difference, but my cholesterol and weight came down on medication. Armour works better for some - again read the books by Mary Shomon. In my case if I take the Thyroxine 3 hours after eating it's as if I never took it - but it works if I take it an hour before eating. McDougall Hot Health Issues: http://www.drmcdougall.com/medical_hottopics.html McDougall Thyroid Summary: http://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2005nl/december/thyroid.htm Recently I sorted my pants into two piles - those I could never wear again and those that I could only hold up with a belt. I now fit into my doublets that I made 15 years ago; they're kind of loose now actually. - Eric Not our of a job yet? Keep buying foreign. Kids got asmetha yet? Keep driving. Planet destroyed yet? Keep consuming. Have you left the planet better than you found it? Have you left anything behind for your kids and their kids? ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] OT: Standard American Diet
OK, UK for me, but I was raised on pretty much a WW2 diet, if you put the bananas and stuff back in. S'what I got by being raised by my Nana, who trained as a cook just pre WW2, but did most of her cooking during and just after. I still started wearing a bra at 9. In reality for me my shape has less to do with what I eat, (goes back generations), and more to do with hereditary, and the fact I can't exercise as much as I should cos of a childhood injury (got hit by a bike and thus have knackered knees). That said, I'm lucky not to have the disease my dad had which demands a virtually 0 fat diet. In a message dated 02/10/2007 05:05:30 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The dramtic rise in obestity, heart disease, cancer, autoimmune diseases like MS, type II diabeties, and the host of other western diseases aka the diseases of the kings are due to our SAD diet and lifestyle. You are what you eat and we currently eat a diet which has no history of safe consumption; a chemical hodgepodge of things which our body is not adapted to. The amazing thing is that most of those diseases can be reversed by a healthy diet. Decades of dammage can be undone; medications tossed aside. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] OT: Standard American Diet
And from the other end of the spectrum... My grandmother was raised in the south before we knew some of the things we know now about nutrition, fat, etc. Nutritionists refer to the Standard American Diet as SAD for more reasons than one.. 0 Chris Laning | [EMAIL PROTECTED] + Davis, California http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] OT: Standard American Diet
-Original Message- That being said - the science is clear - ALL fats are unhealthy. De:I believe this is incorrect. Know anyone with a heart bypass yet? De: Yes, but it was oddly for a genetic abnormality and he is a Vegan. The science is not perfectly clear and never will be. We know that the more vegetarian the diet the healthier the people are. We know that WHOLE foods provide phytochemicals, fiber and a host of other things that help fight cancer, obesity etc. We know that active people eating such diets are never overweight (go to rural China some time); yet when they adopt our diet they adopt our diseases. De: I have a hard time believing that the Chinese do not have problems with weigh except if they eat the Western diet. You are also broad brushing with your statements. Science is barking up the wrong tree by testing things in isolation. We now know that, chemically created vitamins increase cancer, heart disease and a host of other problems. De: chemically treated? please clarify and please cite your sources for the alleged increase in cancer and heart disease etc because of the chemically treated vitamins. That's why I like Dr. John McDougalls take. Eat what our bodies are adapted to - a whole food, no added fat, mostly vegetarian diet. Eat foods that have generations of safe consumption behind them. De: Eat what our bodies are adapted to If you were to research old and ancient societies you would find that several were not mostly vegetarian diet And presently our bodies have adapted to modern diets ranging from carnivore to Vegan. By the way, I'm not allergic but whole wheat stuff doesn't agree with my stomach so I guess I am not adapted to whole wheat. Don't believe that soy De: Again, there is a chemical in soy that interferes with iodine absorption. Iodine is needed for http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/iodine.htm All cells in the body need iodine for proper functioning. All glands (thyroid, adrenal, etc.) especially need iodine for the production of hormones. Dr. Brownstein believes that iodine deficiency is a major cause of breast cancer and other diseases of the reproductive organs such as ovarian, uterus and prostrate cysts and cancers. Iodine levels in US soil have fallen 50 per cent over the past 50 years and soil in the US is deficient in iodine. The Great Lakes region has some of lowest soil iodine levels in the world and this results in high levels of cancers related to iodine deficiency. Dr. Brownstein has been quite successful in treating fibrocystic breast disease (cysts in the breast) with iodine/iodine supplementation. In one case a 37 year-old woman with severe fibrocystic breast disease was completely cured after supplementing with 50 mgs of iodine a day for two months. Women with larger breasts need more iodine than women with smaller breasts. Other medical authorities agree that iodine deficiency can lead to fibrocystic breast disease and/or ovarian cysts. brassica De: Has been found to help in cancer prevention, it also has a chemical that inhibits iodine absorption. (sea weed) have anything to do with it - there is no science behind that; De: Kelp contains iodine and iron. There are studies that prove that Kelp can be beneficial in helping the body to maintain good health. There has been one European study, kelp was found to help with the effectiveness of hormone meds for hypothyroid and lessen the dosage in several cases. Not a cure but something to help. not unless you are deficient in iodine and with the amount of (iodized) salt we get in our diet that ain't a possible. De: Again a broad brushing assumption. My intake of iodinized salt (salt in general) was lessened 15 yrs ago (voluntarily and not for medical reasons). 5 yrs ago I had to go back to it. 18 yrs ago I was getting sea salt before it became nutritionally fashionable. By the way there are several types of hypothyroid. One is Hashimoto's thyroiditis. I do not has this but my friend does and it was caused by medication that she took when a child. I will check out this Dr. McDougall but so far he does not impress me and causes my something not quite kosher radar to blink. I will check out Ms Shomon as well. De ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] OT: Standard American Diet
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... The dramtic rise in obestity, heart disease, cancer, autoimmune diseases like MS, type II diabeties, and the host of other western diseases aka the diseases of the kings are due to our SAD diet and lifestyle. You are what you eat and we currently eat a diet which has no history of safe consumption; a chemical hodgepodge of things which our body is not adapted to. The amazing thing is that most of those diseases can be reversed by a healthy diet. Decades of dammage can be undone; medications tossed aside. ... Just to be contrary, I have to contrast my personal experience to these findings. I was raised on a ridiculously healthy diet by a health-food obsessed mother, and all the up-to-date findings keep confirming the excellence of the diet I was on: lots of raw foods, everything made from scratch, no refined flour, honey rather than sugar used as sweetening, glorious home-made whole wheat bread, and a diet overall well-balanced between healthy low-fat protein and healthy non-processed carbs, etcetcetc. The only unhealthy factor was that, since I spent several years in the carribean, my diet during those years was saltier than it should have been (Colombians seem to think that all food should be dripping with salt). Well, that and the fact that I love citrusy, acidic foods, which had a poor effect on my teeth until I caught on to what was happening. TMI: I was a skinny child, but needed my first bra in 3rd grade. I began menstruating at 10, and have always had a very heavy period, lasting on average 8 days. Though I don't have PMS in the emotional sense, I have all sorts of very annoying physical reactions for a couple of weeks, especially hereditary IBS. Since I left home at 15 (early college) my typical diet has been a bit of protein such as deli meat cuts, roast skinless chicken, lean red meat, or cheese, paired with lots and lots of fruit. If you ever meet me in person, odds are that I'll be chomping on an apple. (In fact, now that I think about it, if I ever design my own heraldry, an apple should probably figure in it, as it is my most recognizeable symbol.) My low-fat diet as a child, and a natural dislike of fat (even as a tiny child I demanded that the teeniest bits of fat be cut off my meat) have made for a very low-fat diet my entire life. I occasionally indulge cravings for starch, and I love potatoes though I rarely eat them anymore, especially after calculating the calories in my favorite potato-cheese soup (about 1000 per bowl; I gained a good 40 lbs the year I ate it regularly). Not the absolute healthiest diet, but certainly a lot different from the SAD. I mess with my diet every so often in an attempt to make it even healthier and less calorific (I love rich, heavy sauces like alfredo), but I always seem to go back to easy protein plus lots of fruit, with the occasional side of rice, potatoes, or pasta. And, I have MS. There are several potential factors behind it, such as genetics (my mother has it, too) and geography as well as how I handle stress, and perhaps even exposure to radon, but a western diet surely ain't a factor for me. My diet and eating habits are more like a combination between primitive man's diet and the mediterranean diet. It's possible that my diet is the reason that I'm currently doing surprisingly well with the MS, but if diet is at fault, how did I get MS in the first place? Of course, my body may just be as contrary as my personality: I was born missing a carotid artery, and despite being completely unable to locate it, my doctors assure me that I must have a spleen in here somewhere, or I'd probably be dead. But still, I can't help but be leery when I see problems that I know in my case are unrelated to diet, being blamed on diet! -E House ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] OT: Standard American Diet
Really? I weigh 260 lbs. and I am 5' 7 almost 8. My problem is that I don't remember to eat or I put off eating. I slowed my metabolism down. I have been told by my doctor that they are finding out that people whose eating patterns like mine have a greater chance of diabeties. My meals when I have them are in proportion to a medium size bowl of soup and half a sandwich. I have been told by people who see me sitting down to my first meal of the day (which I usually get around to it at dinnertime) and start telling me that I need to eat less if I want to loose weight. So I need to eat to get my metabolism up to speed. I have found that nibbling on raw coconut has helped some. Hypothyroid is on the rise and one of the side effects is weight gain. I was tested for hypothyroid and was borderline. Instead of Amour (sp?) I was told to avoid soy products if at all possible. Try to lessen intake of cabbage (love French style cornbeef and cabbage), broccoli (really love, steamed, raw, w/cheese...), peanuts, etc.. and add things like apricots, kelp...etc. The last test showed me clear of the border but now I need to be consistant with eating through the day. Though small victory I lost 1 1/2 which I have been told size is more important then the weight (okay, you guys in the corner get your mind out of the gutter :) ) because muscle weighs more but is compact. I know this may sound weird but I knew someone who couldn't eat whole wheat but could eat white flour without a problem. He is thin as a rail. De - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... The dramtic rise in obestity, heart disease, cancer, autoimmune diseases like MS, type II diabeties, and the host of other western diseases aka the diseases of the kings are due to our SAD diet and lifestyle. You are what you eat and we currently eat a diet which has no history of safe consumption; a chemical hodgepodge of things which our body is not adapted to. The amazing thing is that most of those diseases can be reversed by a healthy diet. Decades of dammage can be undone; medications tossed aside. ... ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] OT: Standard American Diet
Greetings De. I'm a few inches taller than you and weigh about the same. I have an autoimmune disorder and have to be on thyroid replacement meds (mine basically died) and some other pretty heavy duty drugs (all works, I'm fine), but my drs have all said that it is going to be very difficult for me to lose weight; that the best thing I can do for myself is to be fit, strong, and healthy, and not to sweat the weight issue. Eating healthy is always excellent, but it won't always fix the problems. Arlys ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
