[h-cost] The Red Dutch coat Was: Dutch 1660s fur jacket
I like the furry one, but also love the red (wool?) one? Reminds me, from the front, of Breughel type jackets, except with a placket. Do you have a picture of it without the 'kerchief? (also, if you could point me to a painting?) Thanks, Sg Glad to see you back! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] smell of spiral steel boning
I agree, I keep mine in a round tin. It must have enough airflow that I do not get this smell. I have recently been amazed at what a good airing will do for costumes. I have been working in a very smoky environment, and a few days airing has pretty much done the trick...more tenacious smells seem to be rid easily of with some febreeze. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Belive it or not, metal has a smell. Providing your supplier has not done something you are not aware of, this is normal. Give it a rub with a soft cloth then let it air, -C. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Another Pregnant Elizabethan
Very nice! Thank you. I'd never seen that one! Susan B. Farmer wrote: Found another one http://www.weissgallery.com/detail.asp?id=26category=current ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Corset cutting suggestion
I'd stay away from anything modern for any period corset. You just won't get the shape you want. As a starting place, look at Drea's well used corset generator. http://costume.dm.net/custompat/If you are new to this style, look carefully at the shapes in paintings for comparisons to later styles. Think inverted cone. Flat front, not a curve in sight! Compare this to (some of) the more rounded front of the German silhouette at the same time. If you have Patterns Of Fashion, look at the Pfalzgrafin corset for comparison. Her corset was not boned across the breasts. Makes a huge difference! In the end a sloper also called a toile is exactly what you need, just a different starting point! In the case of a corset toile, you need something a little heavier than calico/muslin to work with. Sg rwfranz wrote: A sloper is the basic pattern from which other patterns are designed. (http://www.sew-whats-new.com/sewinglessons/sloper.shtml) It's also sometimes called the basic body block. A ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Regency Help!
Hello! I am not really familiar with the Regency era; however I really liked the dress that Jayne (Rosamund Pike) wore in the opening scene of the latest version of Pride Prejudice (with Keira Knightly) she wears the same style dress a different points throughout the movie, one in pink and the other in blue. I have looked at the patterns sites that carry Regency patterns (Sense Sensibility, etc.) but have been unable to locate anything like this. There is a dress with an overcoat (?) that has an under-the-bust piece to connect either side of the overcoat. While I have not seen the movie Sense Sensibility with Kate Winslet as Marianne Dashwood, I have seen screen shots and she is wearing a similar style outfit, a peach white gown on a picnic. http://www.geocities.com/mm_regency1/ss_mpwd.html Does anyone know what the overcoat is called and what type of dress the base dress is? Thanks! Wendi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Sourcing bizarre fabric..
Katherine, have you tried any of the fabric finder, or fabric sourcing sites? I have had particular luck with this group http://www.fabrics.net/swatch/ , but also just happened to google on this site-I hadn't asked for green leaves, but look what came up! http://www.prqc.com/fabric_finder.htm Sg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Regency Help!
At 16:05 27/03/2006, you wrote: Hello! I am not really familiar with the Regency era; however I really liked the dress that Jayne (Rosamund Pike) wore in the opening scene of the latest version of Pride Prejudice (with Keira Knightly) she wears the same style dress a different points throughout the movie, one in pink and the other in blue. I have looked at the patterns sites that carry Regency patterns (Sense Sensibility, etc.) but have been unable to locate anything like this. There is a dress with an overcoat (?) that has an under-the-bust piece to connect either side of the overcoat. While I have not seen the movie Sense Sensibility with Kate Winslet as Marianne Dashwood, I have seen screen shots and she is wearing a similar style outfit, a peach white gown on a picnic. http://www.geocities.com/mm_regency1/ss_mpwd.html Does anyone know what the overcoat is called and what type of dress the base dress is? Patterns for the overcoat can be found in both Cut of Women's Clothes by Norah Waugh, and Patterns of Fashion 1660-1860 by Janet Arnold. It is probable that you will find patterns for the dress in one of those books too, or Period Costume for Stage and Screen 1800-1090 by Jean Hunnisett, as these were the principal books of patterns that the British costume houses used at the time this version was being made. The sheer dress is possibly being worn over a bodiced petticoat. I have not seen the new P and P so cannot comment on that particular style. Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan doublets, hooks and eyes at waist
Wish I could remember where I read this, but there was a discourse by someone (Samuel Pepy's perhaps?) on how, the tailors were in some kind of conspiracy (tongue in cheek) of switching from points to hook and eyes which didn't free men up from having to have some one dress them. Sg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Regency Help!
Hi Suzi, The pattern for this gown is in Norah Waughs Cut of Womens Clothes diagram XXXIV Open Gown c. 1795. I made it many years ago from a mix of silk and wool in a petrol blue trimmed with grey ribbons. Inside the gown i had made a chemise de la reinne, or you could also use a petticoat and a large fichu. Bjarne - Original Message - From: Suzi Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency Help! At 16:05 27/03/2006, you wrote: Hello! I am not really familiar with the Regency era; however I really liked the dress that Jayne (Rosamund Pike) wore in the opening scene of the latest version of Pride Prejudice (with Keira Knightly) she wears the same style dress a different points throughout the movie, one in pink and the other in blue. I have looked at the patterns sites that carry Regency patterns (Sense Sensibility, etc.) but have been unable to locate anything like this. There is a dress with an overcoat (?) that has an under-the-bust piece to connect either side of the overcoat. While I have not seen the movie Sense Sensibility with Kate Winslet as Marianne Dashwood, I have seen screen shots and she is wearing a similar style outfit, a peach white gown on a picnic. http://www.geocities.com/mm_regency1/ss_mpwd.html Does anyone know what the overcoat is called and what type of dress the base dress is? Patterns for the overcoat can be found in both Cut of Women's Clothes by Norah Waugh, and Patterns of Fashion 1660-1860 by Janet Arnold. It is probable that you will find patterns for the dress in one of those books too, or Period Costume for Stage and Screen 1800-1090 by Jean Hunnisett, as these were the principal books of patterns that the British costume houses used at the time this version was being made. The sheer dress is possibly being worn over a bodiced petticoat. I have not seen the new P and P so cannot comment on that particular style. Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Regency Help!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not really familiar with the Regency era; however I really liked the dress that Jayne (Rosamund Pike) wore in the opening scene of the latest version of Pride Prejudice (with Keira Knightly) – she wears the same style dress a different points throughout the movie, one in pink and the other in blue. I have looked at the patterns sites that carry Regency patterns (Sense Sensibility, etc.) but have been unable to locate anything like this. There is a dress with an overcoat (?) that has an under-the-bust piece to connect either side of the overcoat. While I have not seen the movie Sense Sensibility with Kate Winslet as Marianne Dashwood, I have seen screen shots and she is wearing a similar style outfit, a peach white gown on a picnic. http://www.geocities.com/mm_regency1/ss_mpwd.html Does anyone know what the overcoat is called and what type of dress the base dress is? Isn't this a marvelous style? The Sense and Sensibility versions are a bit toned down in fullness, but it was still nice that they included this style. I've seen it most often called a robe or open robe. It's a brief transition style from the late 18th century robe a l'anglaise where the lower part of the bodice is cut away. This gown, from the Victoria and Albert Museum, shows the transition. You can see the evolution: start with the earlier 18th waistline, then move the waist up and make the gown even more open at front, continue until waistline is very high, replace rich silk petticoat with full muslin underdress/chemise dress, and voila! http://images.vam.ac.uk/images/photo/sch/20030207/high/1088-005.jpg Here are several variations, all from the late 1790s: Gold Stripe silk robe from Met Museum of Art (image: Columbia) http://www.columbia.edu/itc/barnard/theater/kirkland/3136/Early_19th_Century_Gallery/pages/1795.5.htm and another view: http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/dreh/ho_C.I.37.46.1.htm Open robe, brown silk, Manchester City Gallery http://www.manchestergalleries.org/costume/catalogue/Display.php?irn=13418QueryPage=/costume/catalogue/index.php Silk dress (rear view) Los Angeles City Museum http://collectionsonline.lacma.org/mwebcgi/mweb.exe?request=recordid=21549type=101 and an Italian version in glazed linen, also from LACMA: http://collectionsonline.lacma.org/mwebcgi/mweb.exe?request=recordid=40930type=101 First image at: http://exposition2005.monsite.wanadoo.fr/page3.html Long sleeved day dress version: http://images.vam.ac.uk/images/photo/sch/20030207/high/1087-012.jpg And another from MMOA: http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/eudr/hob_1998.222.1.htm And this, worn as a wedding dress in the U.S., shows the pleating in the back: http://www.mfa.org/collections/search_art.asp?recview=trueid=49614coll_keywords=wedding%20dresscoll_package=0coll_start=1 And a couple of fashion plates (two of them may be redrawings) http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/regency/evening-plates/1790s-gown-gloves.jpg http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/regency/evening-plates/1795-threegowns-columbia.jpg http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/regency/evening-plates/1797-muslin-glove.jpg Janet Arnold shows a similar gown in her Patterns of Fashion from this period. - Hope ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Regency Help!
In a message dated 3/27/2006 11:06:42 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Here are several variations, all from the late 1790s: Which makes me wonder if it was considered woefully old fashion by...oh...say 1806. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Regency Help!
In a message dated 3/27/2006 10:44:19 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The pattern for this gown is in Norah Waughs Cut of Womens Clothes diagram XXXIV Open Gown c. 1795. Yes, and please note that, strictly speaking, this is not Regency period. We already discussed on this list that, as Jane Austen first wrote the book in the 1790s (although it was published later), evidently the designer opted to costume it in this period. While technically, the English Regency was 1811-1820, I think most of us who interpret this period think of the styles being fairly similar from about 1800 on. The 1790s was more a transition period from 18th century to the full-blown Neo-classical styes. Ann Wass ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] talk about tight lacing
Hey, What do you say, a 15 inch waist: http://www.aftonbladet.se/atv/player.html?catID=10clipID=7149 I dont like it, its two bizarre. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] talk about tight lacing
I've seen that before when looking up information on corsets. It's definitely along the lines of fetish. I have to agree with you that it is too bizarre. I don't like it either, as it's too out of proportion. Kristin On 3/27/06, Bjarne og Leif Drews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, What do you say, a 15 inch waist: http://www.aftonbladet.se/atv/player.html?catID=10clipID=7149 I dont like it, its two bizarre. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] talk about tight lacing
I concurr, way too bizarre. I looked into corseting but found rather quickly that there are no groups out there for those just wanting to know how to do it properly without all the fetish and what not connected to it. I just wanted the facts and got yelled at when I opposed one view. Way too strange for my tastes. Chiara On Mon, March 27, 2006 12:45 pm, Kristin said: I've seen that before when looking up information on corsets. It's definitely along the lines of fetish. I have to agree with you that it is too bizarre. I don't like it either, as it's too out of proportion. Kristin On 3/27/06, Bjarne og Leif Drews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, What do you say, a 15 inch waist: http://www.aftonbladet.se/atv/player.html?catID=10clipID=7149 I dont like it, its two bizarre. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Franchesca Havas ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] talk about tight lacing
- Original Message - From: Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio [EMAIL PROTECTED] I concurr, way too bizarre. I looked into corseting but found rather quickly that there are no groups out there for those just wanting to know how to do it properly without all the fetish and what not connected to it. Yes, there is: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Historical_Corsets/ I'm the list owner, and there's no fetish stuff allowed! -E House ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] talk about tight lacing
Dang! How'd I miss this?! I'll be signing up. I can only imagine what you all a have been talking about since 1991! Sg E House wrote: Yes, there is: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Historical_Corsets/ I'm the list owner, and there's no fetish stuff allowed! -E House ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] talk about tight lacing
Very cool! I will check it out when I get home tonight. :) Chiara On Mon, March 27, 2006 1:04 pm, E House said: - Original Message - From: Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio [EMAIL PROTECTED] I concurr, way too bizarre. I looked into corseting but found rather quickly that there are no groups out there for those just wanting to know how to do it properly without all the fetish and what not connected to it. Yes, there is: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Historical_Corsets/ I'm the list owner, and there's no fetish stuff allowed! -E House ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Franchesca Havas ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] The Red Dutch coat Was: Dutch 1660s fur jacket
Uhm, SG, that isn't a coat nor jacket, is the reproduction (made by Harriet Waterhouse) of the 1660s pink silk stays with sleeves in the VA. :-D Nicole (steeped in Tudor and kind of lost) If you think education is expensive, try ignorance. From: WickedFrau [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] The Red Dutch coat Was: Dutch 1660s fur jacket Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 07:19:53 -0700 I like the furry one, but also love the red (wool?) one? Reminds me, from the front, of Breughel type jackets, except with a placket. Do you have a picture of it without the 'kerchief? (also, if you could point me to a painting?) Thanks, Sg Glad to see you back! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Are you using the latest version of MSN Messenger? Download MSN Messenger 7.5 today! http://join.msn.com/messenger/overview ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] talk about tight lacing
I saw her in person at a dance once, it was grotesque. Like a train wreck, you looked but had to turn away but had to look again to make sure you didn't imagine it. She looked as if she would break in two. Her face did not look like one of a happy or healthy person. Katy On 3/27/06, Bjarne og Leif Drews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, What do you say, a 15 inch waist: http://www.aftonbladet.se/atv/player.html?catID=10clipID=7149 I dont like it, its two bizarre. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Corset cutting suggestion
I'd stay away from anything modern for any period corset. You just won't get the shape you want. As a starting place, look at Drea's well used corset generator. http://costume.dm.net/custompat/ If you are new to this style, look carefully at the shapes in paintings for comparisons to later styles. Think inverted cone. Flat front, not a curve in sight! Compare this to (some of) the more rounded front of the German silhouette at the same time. If you have Patterns Of Fashion, look at the Pfalzgrafin corset for comparison. Her corset was not boned across the breasts. Makes a huge difference! In the end a sloper also called a toile is exactly what you need, just a different starting point! In the case of a corset toile, you need something a little heavier than calico/muslin to work with. Sg rwfranz wrote: A sloper is the basic pattern from which other patterns are designed. (http://www.sew-whats-new.com/sewinglessons/sloper.shtml) It's also sometimes called the basic body block. I must say I tried Drea's corset generator on myself, being an English 24, American 26, and I could not get it to look anything like a corset. And I make corsets for my living! Perhaps you will have more luck - I hope so. Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Regency Help!
In a message dated 3/27/2006 4:12:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: and an Italian version in glazed linen I believe that is INDIAN fabric, made up in England. Ann Wass ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] talk about tight lacing
Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: Hey, What do you say, a 15 inch waist: http://www.aftonbladet.se/atv/player.html?catID=10clipID=7149 I dont like it, its two bizarre. I don't think I'm getting the same link as everyone else. I'm looking at Danish (?) news clips... news, sports, movie reviews, baby kangaroos at the zoo... Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] OT: other costuming groups
Well, since we've had a ton of new members on the historical corsets group from this list in just the past few hours, I thought I'd quickly mention three of my other groups that might be of interest to the list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/The_Real_Regency/ Regency fashions, lifestyle, reenactment get-togethers--reasonably active http://groups.yahoo.com/group/15thCenturyEurope/ Anything whatsoever related to the 15th century--needs new life http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PreRaphaeliteGarb/ For when you need a break from authenticity--needs new life -E House ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Regency Help!
Hi Janet, Thanks for that, its very interresting that she calls this a greatcoat, wished i could ask her why? Bjarne - Original Message - From: JAMES OGILVIE [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 11:11 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency Help! and an Italian version in glazed linen, also from LACMA: http://collectionsonline.lacma.org/mwebcgi/mweb.exe?request=recordid=40930type=101 Regarding our discussion a couple weeks ago about a greatcoat dress, the museum curators have labeled this one a greatcoat dress. Janet ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] re: talk about tight lacing - historic corset info
Hello Chiara I looked into corseting but found rather quickly that there are no groups out there for those just wanting to know how to do it properly without all the fetish and what not connected to it. Chiara may I suggest you check out the yahoo 'historic corset' group? There are a few familiar 'faces' from this and other lists and it is specifically aimed at those of us only interested in the historic side of things. I know /exactly/ what you mean about other groups... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Historical_Corsets/?yguid=176556519 HTH Katherine (who's guilty of not posting to the list often enough... maybe tomorrow!) A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort - Herm Albright ___ Yahoo! Photos NEW, now offering a quality print service from just 8p a photo http://uk.photos.yahoo.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] new McCall's bonnet pattern
while I was looking for high waisted bodices with darts, (as I'm running a class on removing the darts from commercial patterns for early 16th century Italian clothing) I found this new pattern http://www.mccallpattern.com/item/M5129.htm?tab=costumespage=1 for couple of variations on the theme of mid 19th century bonnets. To me it looks like the top row styles with the full brim could work well for late 1840s to early 1850s but their cut away style looks all wrong, I think it's because it's just too big, as when they trimmed the brim back so it didn't act like blinkers on a horse the bonnet became much smaller and closer to the face, but instead of modifying the overall line of the bonnet McCall's has tried to make one pattern do double duty. Does anybody else have opinions on weather this could be adapted to a mid to late 1850s bonnet? As nobody seems to sell that style (even if I could afford a readymade bonnet) all I see on the web is 1860s spoon bonnets for the ACW crowd. Elizabeth (who should be concentrating on SCA period clothing for an upcoming event over the Easter weekend rather than looking at 19th century stuff) Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] talk about tight lacing
- Original Message - From: Bjarne og Leif Drews [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 1:31 PM Subject: [h-cost] talk about tight lacing Hey, What do you say, a 15 inch waist: http://www.aftonbladet.se/atv/player.html?catID=10clipID=7149 I dont like it, its two bizarre. Bjarne Just..umm.. e Dianne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] talk about tight lacing
I agree, this is gross. I don't like to comment on other people's figure failings either but something this bizarre invites comment. I am sure she must be used to stares and questions. The press did do a piece on her, after all. Anne -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.2/294 - Release Date: 3/27/2006 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] talk about tight lacing
Also looks too painful! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 10:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] talk about tight lacing Hey, What do you say, a 15 inch waist: http://www.aftonbladet.se/atv/player.html?catID=10clipID=7149 I dont like it, its two bizarre. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] OT: other costuming groups
Thank you! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of E House Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 1:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] OT: other costuming groups Well, since we've had a ton of new members on the historical corsets group from this list in just the past few hours, I thought I'd quickly mention three of my other groups that might be of interest to the list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/The_Real_Regency/ Regency fashions, lifestyle, reenactment get-togethers--reasonably active http://groups.yahoo.com/group/15thCenturyEurope/ Anything whatsoever related to the 15th century--needs new life http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PreRaphaeliteGarb/ For when you need a break from authenticity--needs new life -E House ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Corset cutting suggestion
I'm getting tired of the number of times I've needed to alter the corset pattern I'm currently working on (the 1844 corset in Corsets and Crinolines, the bust is way too big I'm on my third round of alterations to reduce it) Lookyou probably just need to step back a littledo something else for a bit... then come back to it. It's not that difficult. Just get the bust, waist, hips measurements right [use a bust front, from side to side across the front, and an across back at bust level to adjust that area] and go from there. Try to keep the pattern pieces the same shape as the pattern. [you'll find with the corset you're working on the bust gussets get much smaller and the curve of the piece they set into gets shallower] Here's a project for you! Buy a pattern from Past Patterns...their 1845-1860 Corset...# 708 and make it up in your size. Just follow the instructions. It's very close in many ways to the corset you're working on. It's my favorite 19th century corset! A beautiful shape. The original is lightly boned, but I put a bone between every bone in the pattern. You'll love it! Then, with that experience under your belt, you can go back and tackle the other corset. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] dye surprises
Hi, I am in the middle of dying silk chenille threads for the tangled garden jacket. I made all the reds yesterday, and they came out nice. http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/jacket.html Today i just dyed the greens. I could only find 3 greens, spring green, emerald green and olive green. So i mixed the collours a little. As i wanted to get a little warmer green, i added a little red, and to my surprise the silk chenille got very dark red! Even that i only added little red. Strange things happens. Anyway i made 16 bunches of lovely greens, but i cant fotograph them before they are dry. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Regency Help!
An excellent source for the early 1790's fashions is Heideloff's Gallery of Fashion published circa 1793-1802. From 1793-1800 is available on microfilm as part of the History of Women Card Catalog. Many universities hold this. There are some websites that have some of the plates, some in the original color. Yummy! A few plates from the first year were reproduced in Sitwell's Gallery of Fashion which was a brief history of the journal and included some info and reproductions from its successor and more famous Ackermann's Repository Jane Austen may have seen some of the plates. Very few survive as it was published in possibly fewer than 1,000 per monthly issue. Each issue was small--usually two plates per issue with detailed(for the time)descriptions of the fashion or fashions in each plate. Apparently subscribers shared the plates with friends who couldn't afford the steep subsciption price. The plates were hand-colored with metals, jewelry, etc, picked out in real gold and silver paint. It was published in London. Would love to see Dover Books republish some or all of the plates and have recommended this at the Dover website as Austenites would find it of use, as well as a great source ofreally existing fashions(as the original publication claimed)of the 1790's which is greatly ignored by costume historians. It is an excellent chronicle of a transitional time in fashion during revolutionary times and deserves more study, I think. Cindy Abel ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] talk about tight lacing
youch!! prolapses here they come. ick - have a book that shows all the yucky stuff that can happen as a result of too tight lacing, and it's truly disgusting. debs ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Spanish California Women's Costume
I am interested in finding information on Women's fashion from 1840 to 1850 Ranchero life prior to the Gold Rush in 49. Particularly the dress that would be worn for fandangos for married women. Anyone got info or urls? Thanks Rachael ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
