Re: [hlds] The Session is No Longer Available
Yup. Can you try opening the console and doing the ol' connect IP:port ? Try with your lan IP (should fail), then try with your wan IP (might work). I've noticed that when I simply click on the server from my steam group list, it tries to connect via the lan ip (and fails). If I try to connect to an existing lobby, it works. Probably because connecting to a lobby results in feeding a connect ip:port statement with the wan ip, not the lan ip. Once this is figured out / patched / whatever, I need to figure out how to get the search key working with it. I don't like having to join the server (when I can) and then call a vote / rcon to switch game type, map, and difficulty. I'd much rather prefer to join/create a lobby, let it fill up, and throw the search key in to get to my server. (Valve also needs to fix the bug where youc an't bring up the console while in the lobby). When I try this now, all I get lots of waiting then bam, I'm running a local server. There's no popup message asking if you would like to run a local server (like there was in L4D). Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:40:47 +0800 From: clontar...@iinet.net.au To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] The Session is No Longer Available The issue seems to have something to do with lobby reservation. I don't know if you see this too, but if you create a lobby on the NAT side of things, the server will complain about bogus payload data, and then show the reservation. I can confirm that reserving the lobby from outside the NAT seems to be fine. It's almost as if the NAT client reserves the lobby, then the server accepts, then ignores it... Blood Letter wrote: Looks like having someone else join the server (from outside the lan) works fine. Then I can join just fine. Weird... From: bw_bloodlet...@hotmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 20:51:58 -0800 Subject: Re: [hlds] The Session is No Longer Available Really? No one else has this issue? Can someone with a working config behind a nat post their server.cfg and command line? From: bw_bloodlet...@hotmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:26:47 -0800 Subject: Re: [hlds] The Session is No Longer Available Zero problems when running with sv_lan 1. Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 13:05:37 +0800 From: clontar...@iinet.net.au To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] The Session is No Longer Available Yes, on a Linux server. Are you running it behind a NAT firewall? We were told that using mm_dedicated_force_servers public|private would fix this, but it doesn't. Test this for me, if you start with +sv_lan 1 does it then work flawlessly? Blood Letter wrote: Anyone getting this? Windows. --command line-- srcds.exe -console -game left4dead2 -maxplayers 8 -ip 192.168.1.11 -port 27015 -nohltv +sv_lan 0 +map c1m1_hotel --server.cfg-- hostname Love Me Sexy rcon_password password sv_steamgroup 12345 sv_steamgroup_exclusive 1 sv_search_key searchkey Forwarding pots 27000-27015 to 192.168.1.11 . ?? _ Windows 7: I wanted simpler, now it's simpler. I'm a rock star. http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?h=myidea?ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_myidea:112009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Bing brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. http://www.bing.com/search?q=restaurantsform=MFESRPpubl=WLHMTAGcrea=TEXT_MFESRP_Local_MapsMenu_Resturants_1x1 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Windows 7: I wanted simpler, now it's simpler. I'm a rock star. http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?h=myidea?ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_myidea:112009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
[hlds] Server Key
So I'm contemplating ordering a server for L4D2 as it's getting really frustrating constantly being thrown into servers where all 4 (or 8) of us have 200+ ping. Call Vote, Return to Lobby, Search for Best Dedicated Server again only to be put back on the same server, or another server that's just as bad. But the console seems to be disabled in the Lobby screen and they still have not implemented any UI in the Lobby to select the server you want to goto. So how exactly is sv_search_key supposed to work now when you can't open the console in the Lobby? Can someone please explain to me how this is supposed to work now before I waste any money on a server I can't use? thanks, Sean ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Server Key
You can set your search key before joining a lobby. You can also use the mm_dedicated_force_servers to manually specify your IPs to search for. On Fri, 2009-11-20 at 12:51 -0800, shoskins73 wrote: So I'm contemplating ordering a server for L4D2 as it's getting really frustrating constantly being thrown into servers where all 4 (or 8) of us have 200+ ping. Call Vote, Return to Lobby, Search for Best Dedicated Server again only to be put back on the same server, or another server that's just as bad. But the console seems to be disabled in the Lobby screen and they still have not implemented any UI in the Lobby to select the server you want to goto. So how exactly is sv_search_key supposed to work now when you can't open the console in the Lobby? Can someone please explain to me how this is supposed to work now before I waste any money on a server I can't use? thanks, Sean ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Server Key
I know in L4D1, connecting it to a steam group worked well. I truthfully got pissed off at the L4D server system after I spent a few hours trying to get 3 LAN servers up. With a fresh install and a basic boot line with a next-to-empty server.cfg the servers would crash on a map change. (Both manual and automatic changes). Also: is there any easy way to change a server from campaign to vs? On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 2:51 PM, shoskins73 shoskin...@gmail.com wrote: So I'm contemplating ordering a server for L4D2 as it's getting really frustrating constantly being thrown into servers where all 4 (or 8) of us have 200+ ping. Call Vote, Return to Lobby, Search for Best Dedicated Server again only to be put back on the same server, or another server that's just as bad. But the console seems to be disabled in the Lobby screen and they still have not implemented any UI in the Lobby to select the server you want to goto. So how exactly is sv_search_key supposed to work now when you can't open the console in the Lobby? Can someone please explain to me how this is supposed to work now before I waste any money on a server I can't use? thanks, Sean ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Server Key
How can you use mm_dedicated_force_servers if you can't get to the console from a lobby? Does it work if you enter that before you get into a lobby? I've generally always used that as lobby leader to take my friends and me into our own server. Thanks. msleeper wrote: You can set your search key before joining a lobby. You can also use the mm_dedicated_force_servers to manually specify your IPs to search for. On Fri, 2009-11-20 at 12:51 -0800, shoskins73 wrote: So I'm contemplating ordering a server for L4D2 as it's getting really frustrating constantly being thrown into servers where all 4 (or 8) of us have 200+ ping. Call Vote, Return to Lobby, Search for Best Dedicated Server again only to be put back on the same server, or another server that's just as bad. But the console seems to be disabled in the Lobby screen and they still have not implemented any UI in the Lobby to select the server you want to goto. So how exactly is sv_search_key supposed to work now when you can't open the console in the Lobby? Can someone please explain to me how this is supposed to work now before I waste any money on a server I can't use? thanks, Sean ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Server Key
Did you not read the first sentence? Set the search key/force_servers BEFORE creating a lobby. On Fri, 2009-11-20 at 16:00 -0500, Aaron A. Maricic wrote: How can you use mm_dedicated_force_servers if you can't get to the console from a lobby? Does it work if you enter that before you get into a lobby? I've generally always used that as lobby leader to take my friends and me into our own server. Thanks. msleeper wrote: You can set your search key before joining a lobby. You can also use the mm_dedicated_force_servers to manually specify your IPs to search for. On Fri, 2009-11-20 at 12:51 -0800, shoskins73 wrote: So I'm contemplating ordering a server for L4D2 as it's getting really frustrating constantly being thrown into servers where all 4 (or 8) of us have 200+ ping. Call Vote, Return to Lobby, Search for Best Dedicated Server again only to be put back on the same server, or another server that's just as bad. But the console seems to be disabled in the Lobby screen and they still have not implemented any UI in the Lobby to select the server you want to goto. So how exactly is sv_search_key supposed to work now when you can't open the console in the Lobby? Can someone please explain to me how this is supposed to work now before I waste any money on a server I can't use? thanks, Sean ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Server Key
You can also do a direct IP connect thru the console while on the game's main page and then once you get to the server, you can vote to make changes to settings. You can also setup a steam group and then link to it in your server config. Your server will then show up in the game menu for anyone in the group. sv_steamgroup 123456 Or you can do what msleeper suggested! :D Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: msleeper mslee...@ismsleeperwrong.com Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:56:00 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing listhlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Server Key You can set your search key before joining a lobby. You can also use the mm_dedicated_force_servers to manually specify your IPs to search for. On Fri, 2009-11-20 at 12:51 -0800, shoskins73 wrote: So I'm contemplating ordering a server for L4D2 as it's getting really frustrating constantly being thrown into servers where all 4 (or 8) of us have 200+ ping. Call Vote, Return to Lobby, Search for Best Dedicated Server again only to be put back on the same server, or another server that's just as bad. But the console seems to be disabled in the Lobby screen and they still have not implemented any UI in the Lobby to select the server you want to goto. So how exactly is sv_search_key supposed to work now when you can't open the console in the Lobby? Can someone please explain to me how this is supposed to work now before I waste any money on a server I can't use? thanks, Sean ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Server Key
I'd put the command in an autoexec.cfg so you can get your own server every time without having to enter it once you get in game. On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 4:02 PM, msleeper mslee...@ismsleeperwrong.comwrote: Did you not read the first sentence? Set the search key/force_servers BEFORE creating a lobby. On Fri, 2009-11-20 at 16:00 -0500, Aaron A. Maricic wrote: How can you use mm_dedicated_force_servers if you can't get to the console from a lobby? Does it work if you enter that before you get into a lobby? I've generally always used that as lobby leader to take my friends and me into our own server. Thanks. msleeper wrote: You can set your search key before joining a lobby. You can also use the mm_dedicated_force_servers to manually specify your IPs to search for. On Fri, 2009-11-20 at 12:51 -0800, shoskins73 wrote: So I'm contemplating ordering a server for L4D2 as it's getting really frustrating constantly being thrown into servers where all 4 (or 8) of us have 200+ ping. Call Vote, Return to Lobby, Search for Best Dedicated Server again only to be put back on the same server, or another server that's just as bad. But the console seems to be disabled in the Lobby screen and they still have not implemented any UI in the Lobby to select the server you want to goto. So how exactly is sv_search_key supposed to work now when you can't open the console in the Lobby? Can someone please explain to me how this is supposed to work now before I waste any money on a server I can't use? thanks, Sean ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Server Key
I'm assuming that only works if I'm the Lobby Leader? What happens if I'm in someone elses Lobby and they start the game, will it take me to my server while everyone else goes to another server? Long story short, I had a server for the first 2 months L4D was out and stopped using it as it was such a PITA to get a Lobby connected to it (at that time there was no sv_search_key function at all. This whole setup for using specific servers is crap, especially when not everyone on your friends list is in any one particular Steam Group. On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Jake Skenna halflife...@gmail.com wrote: I'd put the command in an autoexec.cfg so you can get your own server every time without having to enter it once you get in game. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Server Key
Make a steam group called Joebob's L4D Servers and invite everyone. On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 3:25 PM, shoskins73 shoskin...@gmail.com wrote: I'm assuming that only works if I'm the Lobby Leader? What happens if I'm in someone elses Lobby and they start the game, will it take me to my server while everyone else goes to another server? Long story short, I had a server for the first 2 months L4D was out and stopped using it as it was such a PITA to get a Lobby connected to it (at that time there was no sv_search_key function at all. This whole setup for using specific servers is crap, especially when not everyone on your friends list is in any one particular Steam Group. On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Jake Skenna halflife...@gmail.com wrote: I'd put the command in an autoexec.cfg so you can get your own server every time without having to enter it once you get in game. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] The Session is No Longer Available
I find I have to use +mm_force_dedicated_server and +sv_search_key, once I've done that I can create a lobby and then invite friends and then it will connect to my restricted server, I have it set to only allow lobby connections. On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Blood Letter bw_bloodlet...@hotmail.comwrote: Yup. Can you try opening the console and doing the ol' connect IP:port ? Try with your lan IP (should fail), then try with your wan IP (might work). I've noticed that when I simply click on the server from my steam group list, it tries to connect via the lan ip (and fails). If I try to connect to an existing lobby, it works. Probably because connecting to a lobby results in feeding a connect ip:port statement with the wan ip, not the lan ip. Once this is figured out / patched / whatever, I need to figure out how to get the search key working with it. I don't like having to join the server (when I can) and then call a vote / rcon to switch game type, map, and difficulty. I'd much rather prefer to join/create a lobby, let it fill up, and throw the search key in to get to my server. (Valve also needs to fix the bug where youc an't bring up the console while in the lobby). When I try this now, all I get lots of waiting then bam, I'm running a local server. There's no popup message asking if you would like to run a local server (like there was in L4D). Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:40:47 +0800 From: clontar...@iinet.net.au To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] The Session is No Longer Available The issue seems to have something to do with lobby reservation. I don't know if you see this too, but if you create a lobby on the NAT side of things, the server will complain about bogus payload data, and then show the reservation. I can confirm that reserving the lobby from outside the NAT seems to be fine. It's almost as if the NAT client reserves the lobby, then the server accepts, then ignores it... Blood Letter wrote: Looks like having someone else join the server (from outside the lan) works fine. Then I can join just fine. Weird... From: bw_bloodlet...@hotmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 20:51:58 -0800 Subject: Re: [hlds] The Session is No Longer Available Really? No one else has this issue? Can someone with a working config behind a nat post their server.cfg and command line? From: bw_bloodlet...@hotmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:26:47 -0800 Subject: Re: [hlds] The Session is No Longer Available Zero problems when running with sv_lan 1. Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 13:05:37 +0800 From: clontar...@iinet.net.au To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] The Session is No Longer Available Yes, on a Linux server. Are you running it behind a NAT firewall? We were told that using mm_dedicated_force_servers public|private would fix this, but it doesn't. Test this for me, if you start with +sv_lan 1 does it then work flawlessly? Blood Letter wrote: Anyone getting this? Windows. --command line-- srcds.exe -console -game left4dead2 -maxplayers 8 -ip 192.168.1.11 -port 27015 -nohltv +sv_lan 0 +map c1m1_hotel --server.cfg-- hostname Love Me Sexy rcon_password password sv_steamgroup 12345 sv_steamgroup_exclusive 1 sv_search_key searchkey Forwarding pots 27000-27015 to 192.168.1.11 . ?? _ Windows 7: I wanted simpler, now it's simpler. I'm a rock star. http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?h=myidea?ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_myidea:112009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Bing brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. http://www.bing.com/search?q=restaurantsform=MFESRPpubl=WLHMTAGcrea=TEXT_MFESRP_Local_MapsMenu_Resturants_1x1 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Windows 7: I wanted simpler, now it's simpler. I'm a rock star. http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?h=myidea?ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_myidea:112009 ___ To
Re: [hlds] Server Key
Look. We understand your frustration; we're frustrated too. In fact, we've been dealing with these issues before a zombie clown scared you into your first pant-load. The suggestions you've been given are the only options we have right now, so it would be nice if you'd be appreciative. We don't work for Valve nor is this list a hotline to Alfred's desk. So please carefully re-read the offered solution and give it a try. It works for us. --Kerry On Nov 20, 2009, at 4:41 PM, Blood Letter wrote: Terrible solution. Nothing bugs me more than being a member of a bunch of pointless steam groups. (Well, automagically being joined to random steam groups for no reaosn bugs me a lot too.) I don't want that crap cluttering up my friends list. I don't want shitty updates about your steam group has an event in 5 minutes! popping up all the time. I shouldn't have to put up with that crap to maintain a list of servers I like. This is what server favorites was for. Would love to see the following: - An extra button on the UI - Favorite Servers - A Favorite Servers page which lists servers you have tagged as favorite, their ping, map, player count, game mode, and lobby status. - Ability to select a server from the list and remove it from your favorites or connect to it (if lobby restrictions and player count allow). - A UI button to add server to favorites. Show it on the server info popup in game. I'm not even asking for a full server browser - just a favorite's list. From: matthew.j.gottl...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:32:03 -0600 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Server Key Make a steam group called Joebob's L4D Servers and invite everyone. On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 3:25 PM, shoskins73 shoskin...@gmail.com wrote: I'm assuming that only works if I'm the Lobby Leader? What happens if I'm in someone elses Lobby and they start the game, will it take me to my server while everyone else goes to another server? Long story short, I had a server for the first 2 months L4D was out and stopped using it as it was such a PITA to get a Lobby connected to it (at that time there was no sv_search_key function at all. This whole setup for using specific servers is crap, especially when not everyone on your friends list is in any one particular Steam Group. On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Jake Skenna halflife...@gmail.com wrote: I'd put the command in an autoexec.cfg so you can get your own server every time without having to enter it once you get in game. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Server Key
bind F8 mm_dedicated_force_servers IPADRESS Press F8 before starting the search for a server. Couldn't be any easier tbh. -- From: Blood Letter bw_bloodlet...@hotmail.com Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 10:41 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Server Key Terrible solution. Nothing bugs me more than being a member of a bunch of pointless steam groups. (Well, automagically being joined to random steam groups for no reaosn bugs me a lot too.) I don't want that crap cluttering up my friends list. I don't want shitty updates about your steam group has an event in 5 minutes! popping up all the time. I shouldn't have to put up with that crap to maintain a list of servers I like. This is what server favorites was for. Would love to see the following: - An extra button on the UI - Favorite Servers - A Favorite Servers page which lists servers you have tagged as favorite, their ping, map, player count, game mode, and lobby status. - Ability to select a server from the list and remove it from your favorites or connect to it (if lobby restrictions and player count allow). - A UI button to add server to favorites. Show it on the server info popup in game. I'm not even asking for a full server browser - just a favorite's list. From: matthew.j.gottl...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:32:03 -0600 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Server Key Make a steam group called Joebob's L4D Servers and invite everyone. On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 3:25 PM, shoskins73 shoskin...@gmail.com wrote: I'm assuming that only works if I'm the Lobby Leader? What happens if I'm in someone elses Lobby and they start the game, will it take me to my server while everyone else goes to another server? Long story short, I had a server for the first 2 months L4D was out and stopped using it as it was such a PITA to get a Lobby connected to it (at that time there was no sv_search_key function at all. This whole setup for using specific servers is crap, especially when not everyone on your friends list is in any one particular Steam Group. On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Jake Skenna halflife...@gmail.com wrote: I'd put the command in an autoexec.cfg so you can get your own server every time without having to enter it once you get in game. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Server Key
Add +sv_search_key key to launch options -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Johan Andersson Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 5:04 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Server Key bind F8 mm_dedicated_force_servers IPADRESS Press F8 before starting the search for a server. Couldn't be any easier tbh. -- From: Blood Letter bw_bloodlet...@hotmail.com Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 10:41 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Server Key Terrible solution. Nothing bugs me more than being a member of a bunch of pointless steam groups. (Well, automagically being joined to random steam groups for no reaosn bugs me a lot too.) I don't want that crap cluttering up my friends list. I don't want shitty updates about your steam group has an event in 5 minutes! popping up all the time. I shouldn't have to put up with that crap to maintain a list of servers I like. This is what server favorites was for. Would love to see the following: - An extra button on the UI - Favorite Servers - A Favorite Servers page which lists servers you have tagged as favorite, their ping, map, player count, game mode, and lobby status. - Ability to select a server from the list and remove it from your favorites or connect to it (if lobby restrictions and player count allow). - A UI button to add server to favorites. Show it on the server info popup in game. I'm not even asking for a full server browser - just a favorite's list. From: matthew.j.gottl...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:32:03 -0600 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Server Key Make a steam group called Joebob's L4D Servers and invite everyone. On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 3:25 PM, shoskins73 shoskin...@gmail.com wrote: I'm assuming that only works if I'm the Lobby Leader? What happens if I'm in someone elses Lobby and they start the game, will it take me to my server while everyone else goes to another server? Long story short, I had a server for the first 2 months L4D was out and stopped using it as it was such a PITA to get a Lobby connected to it (at that time there was no sv_search_key function at all. This whole setup for using specific servers is crap, especially when not everyone on your friends list is in any one particular Steam Group. On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Jake Skenna halflife...@gmail.com wrote: I'd put the command in an autoexec.cfg so you can get your own server every time without having to enter it once you get in game. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Uh, search key doesn't work for me, and force dedicated server requires that I can actually connect to the server. I currently can not start a lobby and join the lobby to my server. I currently can not join my server directly from the steam group server list. I have to have someone outside of my lan join the server from the steam group list. Then and only then am I able to join the server (by joining their lobby explicitly or implicitly through the steam group server list). Joining the server normally results in a session no longer valid error when it attempts to connect. Using a search key results in absolutely nothing - the server is never found, and I never attempt to connect. And why would I set a default search key or force dedicated servers list? My server is public and I would only want to use it if it's free - otherwise I'm content joining whatever server I'm matched with (when I'm lobby leader). I can bind shortcuts. I can set launch options. I can get on my server which isn't functioning as it should. But I should have the direct option of choosing a server (mine and my favorites) as well as the option of being matched to one. It's not rocket science. I shouldn't have to jump through ANY hoops to: Open the game, get directly (no lobby screen) to my server or a favorite server, if available. Open the game, make a lobby, tell it to use my server or a favorite server, if available. Open the game, make a lobby, tell it to match me to an available server. From: mu...@anbservers.net To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:54:12 -0500 Subject: Re: [hlds] Server Key Add +sv_search_key key to launch options -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Johan Andersson Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 5:04 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Server Key bind F8 mm_dedicated_force_servers IPADRESS Press F8 before starting the search for a server. Couldn't be any easier tbh. -- From: Blood Letter bw_bloodlet...@hotmail.com Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 10:41 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Server Key Terrible solution. Nothing bugs me more than being a member of a bunch of pointless steam groups. (Well, automagically being joined to random steam groups for no reaosn bugs me a lot too.) I don't want that crap cluttering up my friends list. I don't want shitty updates about your steam group has an event in 5 minutes! popping up all the time. I shouldn't have to put up with that crap to maintain a list of servers I like. This is what server favorites was for. Would love to see the following: - An extra button on the UI - Favorite Servers - A Favorite Servers page which lists servers you have tagged as favorite, their ping, map, player count, game mode, and lobby status. - Ability to select a server from the list and remove it from your favorites or connect to it (if lobby restrictions and player count allow). - A UI button to add server to favorites. Show it on the server info popup in game. I'm not even asking for a full server browser - just a favorite's list. From: matthew.j.gottl...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:32:03 -0600 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Server Key Make a steam group called Joebob's L4D Servers and invite everyone. On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 3:25 PM, shoskins73 shoskin...@gmail.com wrote: I'm assuming that only works if I'm the Lobby Leader? What happens if I'm in someone elses Lobby and they start the game, will it take me to my server while everyone else goes to another server? Long story short, I had a server for the first 2 months L4D was out and stopped using it as it was such a PITA to get a Lobby connected to it (at that time there was no sv_search_key function at all. This whole setup for using specific servers is crap, especially when not everyone on your friends list is in any one particular Steam Group. On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Jake Skenna halflife...@gmail.com wrote: I'd put the command in an autoexec.cfg so you can get your own server every time without having to enter it once you get in game. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection.
Re: [hlds] Server Key
This seems like a lot of user error then since all of that stuff works for everyone else, or at least works as much as it is supposed to. Why doesn't search key work for you? You should investigate that. Why can't you actually connect to the server? That also seems like something that should be important to figure out. The search key and force dedicated servers lets you, as lobby leader, specify what servers you want to preference to. If the servers are full then you'll go to another server, just like you normally would. I don't get what you're not understanding. I should have the direct option of choosing a server (mine and my favorites) as well as the option of being matched to one. That's exactly what search key and/or force dedicated servers does. You specify a server to use, and if it is free then you go to it. Your little list of complains all work with minimal effort, except the first one which doesn't really make sense with the type of environment in L4D/L4D2. This isn't TF2 or CSS, you can't just join any server and start playing. If you want to do that, then remove your server from the lobby system and connect directly via IP. If you want to use a lobby, then use some combination of the many server CVARs to make it possible. You can't have it both ways, they conflict how eachother work. On Fri, 2009-11-20 at 15:24 -0800, Blood Letter wrote: Uh, search key doesn't work for me, and force dedicated server requires that I can actually connect to the server. I currently can not start a lobby and join the lobby to my server. I currently can not join my server directly from the steam group server list. I have to have someone outside of my lan join the server from the steam group list. Then and only then am I able to join the server (by joining their lobby explicitly or implicitly through the steam group server list). Joining the server normally results in a session no longer valid error when it attempts to connect. Using a search key results in absolutely nothing - the server is never found, and I never attempt to connect. And why would I set a default search key or force dedicated servers list? My server is public and I would only want to use it if it's free - otherwise I'm content joining whatever server I'm matched with (when I'm lobby leader). I can bind shortcuts. I can set launch options. I can get on my server which isn't functioning as it should. But I should have the direct option of choosing a server (mine and my favorites) as well as the option of being matched to one. It's not rocket science. I shouldn't have to jump through ANY hoops to: Open the game, get directly (no lobby screen) to my server or a favorite server, if available. Open the game, make a lobby, tell it to use my server or a favorite server, if available. Open the game, make a lobby, tell it to match me to an available server. From: mu...@anbservers.net To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:54:12 -0500 Subject: Re: [hlds] Server Key Add +sv_search_key key to launch options -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Johan Andersson Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 5:04 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Server Key bind F8 mm_dedicated_force_servers IPADRESS Press F8 before starting the search for a server. Couldn't be any easier tbh. -- From: Blood Letter bw_bloodlet...@hotmail.com Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 10:41 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Server Key Terrible solution. Nothing bugs me more than being a member of a bunch of pointless steam groups. (Well, automagically being joined to random steam groups for no reaosn bugs me a lot too.) I don't want that crap cluttering up my friends list. I don't want shitty updates about your steam group has an event in 5 minutes! popping up all the time. I shouldn't have to put up with that crap to maintain a list of servers I like. This is what server favorites was for. Would love to see the following: - An extra button on the UI - Favorite Servers - A Favorite Servers page which lists servers you have tagged as favorite, their ping, map, player count, game mode, and lobby status. - Ability to select a server from the list and remove it from your favorites or connect to it (if lobby restrictions and player count allow). - A UI button to add server to favorites. Show it on the server info popup in game. I'm not even asking for a full server browser - just a favorite's list. From: matthew.j.gottl...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:32:03 -0600 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Server Key Make a steam group called Joebob's
Re: [hlds] Server Key
you can't just join any server and start playing. Actually, yes you can, it's called Quick Play and is in the UI for all game modes. This is no different than selecting a server from a browser list (CSS/TF2)...except for one small thing, you don't get to choose which server you are actually joining. You can also join a game in progress from the Game Mode screens, but you can't see ping, who is currently playing, etc, etc. The system as it is now, is really flawed. Has been since they started it in L4D. Removing the ability for people to choose the server, see the status of said server before joining and then not including a UI function in the Lobby for joining a specific server is a step backwards. Almost as bad as MW2 not having dedicated servers at all. On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 3:34 PM, msleeper mslee...@ismsleeperwrong.comwrote: This seems like a lot of user error then since all of that stuff works for everyone else, or at least works as much as it is supposed to. Why doesn't search key work for you? You should investigate that. Why can't you actually connect to the server? That also seems like something that should be important to figure out. The search key and force dedicated servers lets you, as lobby leader, specify what servers you want to preference to. If the servers are full then you'll go to another server, just like you normally would. I don't get what you're not understanding. I should have the direct option of choosing a server (mine and my favorites) as well as the option of being matched to one. That's exactly what search key and/or force dedicated servers does. You specify a server to use, and if it is free then you go to it. Your little list of complains all work with minimal effort, except the first one which doesn't really make sense with the type of environment in L4D/L4D2. This isn't TF2 or CSS, you can't just join any server and start playing. If you want to do that, then remove your server from the lobby system and connect directly via IP. If you want to use a lobby, then use some combination of the many server CVARs to make it possible. You can't have it both ways, they conflict how eachother work. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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I'm going to make the assumption that when searching for Best Available Dedicated Server from a Lobby that it looks at your Steam Group servers first, which actually might explain a lot of why I keep getting the same servers with bad pings. Guess I'll be leaving the official Left 4 Dead 2 Steam community so it stops going for the servers people have attached to that group. On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 3:50 PM, shoskins73 shoskin...@gmail.com wrote: you can't just join any server and start playing. Actually, yes you can, it's called Quick Play and is in the UI for all game modes. This is no different than selecting a server from a browser list (CSS/TF2)...except for one small thing, you don't get to choose which server you are actually joining. You can also join a game in progress from the Game Mode screens, but you can't see ping, who is currently playing, etc, etc. The system as it is now, is really flawed. Has been since they started it in L4D. Removing the ability for people to choose the server, see the status of said server before joining and then not including a UI function in the Lobby for joining a specific server is a step backwards. Almost as bad as MW2 not having dedicated servers at all. On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 3:34 PM, msleeper mslee...@ismsleeperwrong.comwrote: This seems like a lot of user error then since all of that stuff works for everyone else, or at least works as much as it is supposed to. Why doesn't search key work for you? You should investigate that. Why can't you actually connect to the server? That also seems like something that should be important to figure out. The search key and force dedicated servers lets you, as lobby leader, specify what servers you want to preference to. If the servers are full then you'll go to another server, just like you normally would. I don't get what you're not understanding. I should have the direct option of choosing a server (mine and my favorites) as well as the option of being matched to one. That's exactly what search key and/or force dedicated servers does. You specify a server to use, and if it is free then you go to it. Your little list of complains all work with minimal effort, except the first one which doesn't really make sense with the type of environment in L4D/L4D2. This isn't TF2 or CSS, you can't just join any server and start playing. If you want to do that, then remove your server from the lobby system and connect directly via IP. If you want to use a lobby, then use some combination of the many server CVARs to make it possible. You can't have it both ways, they conflict how eachother work. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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I think it's more likely that there simply aren't any better servers out there. When we searched for a server last night (due to a routing issue one of the 4 of use could not use our own servers) we first ended up with a lobby-leader-hosted server, and secondly with one hosted in Chicago, USA (we're all in the UK) Certainly our own public servers always have people in them at least 18 hours of the day atm. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds- boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of shoskins73 Sent: 20 November 2009 23:53 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Server Key I'm going to make the assumption that when searching for Best Available Dedicated Server from a Lobby that it looks at your Steam Group servers first, which actually might explain a lot of why I keep getting the same servers with bad pings. Guess I'll be leaving the official Left 4 Dead 2 Steam community so it stops going for the servers people have attached to that group. On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 3:50 PM, shoskins73 shoskin...@gmail.com wrote: you can't just join any server and start playing. Actually, yes you can, it's called Quick Play and is in the UI for all game modes. This is no different than selecting a server from a browser list (CSS/TF2)...except for one small thing, you don't get to choose which server you are actually joining. You can also join a game in progress from the Game Mode screens, but you can't see ping, who is currently playing, etc, etc. The system as it is now, is really flawed. Has been since they started it in L4D. Removing the ability for people to choose the server, see the status of said server before joining and then not including a UI function in the Lobby for joining a specific server is a step backwards. Almost as bad as MW2 not having dedicated servers at all. On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 3:34 PM, msleeper mslee...@ismsleeperwrong.comwrote: This seems like a lot of user error then since all of that stuff works for everyone else, or at least works as much as it is supposed to. Why doesn't search key work for you? You should investigate that. Why can't you actually connect to the server? That also seems like something that should be important to figure out. The search key and force dedicated servers lets you, as lobby leader, specify what servers you want to preference to. If the servers are full then you'll go to another server, just like you normally would. I don't get what you're not understanding. I should have the direct option of choosing a server (mine and my favorites) as well as the option of being matched to one. That's exactly what search key and/or force dedicated servers does. You specify a server to use, and if it is free then you go to it. Your little list of complains all work with minimal effort, except the first one which doesn't really make sense with the type of environment in L4D/L4D2. This isn't TF2 or CSS, you can't just join any server and start playing. If you want to do that, then remove your server from the lobby system and connect directly via IP. If you want to use a lobby, then use some combination of the many server CVARs to make it possible. You can't have it both ways, they conflict how eachother work. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Well, again, if you want to choose what server you are going to, there are mechanisms set up for that - search_key and dedicated_force_servers. If you just want to... quick play, use the Quick Play option. Seriously - how is this difficult to grasp? The system is not flawed, people are just trying to use it to do things that do not exist within the context of how the game operates, and/or they expect things to exist (IE - server browser) that also do not make sense within the context of how the game operates. And don't try to be sensationalist and compare this to another game that is totally unrelated. You just make yourself look stupid. On Fri, 2009-11-20 at 15:50 -0800, shoskins73 wrote: you can't just join any server and start playing. Actually, yes you can, it's called Quick Play and is in the UI for all game modes. This is no different than selecting a server from a browser list (CSS/TF2)...except for one small thing, you don't get to choose which server you are actually joining. You can also join a game in progress from the Game Mode screens, but you can't see ping, who is currently playing, etc, etc. The system as it is now, is really flawed. Has been since they started it in L4D. Removing the ability for people to choose the server, see the status of said server before joining and then not including a UI function in the Lobby for joining a specific server is a step backwards. Almost as bad as MW2 not having dedicated servers at all. On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 3:34 PM, msleeper mslee...@ismsleeperwrong.comwrote: This seems like a lot of user error then since all of that stuff works for everyone else, or at least works as much as it is supposed to. Why doesn't search key work for you? You should investigate that. Why can't you actually connect to the server? That also seems like something that should be important to figure out. The search key and force dedicated servers lets you, as lobby leader, specify what servers you want to preference to. If the servers are full then you'll go to another server, just like you normally would. I don't get what you're not understanding. I should have the direct option of choosing a server (mine and my favorites) as well as the option of being matched to one. That's exactly what search key and/or force dedicated servers does. You specify a server to use, and if it is free then you go to it. Your little list of complains all work with minimal effort, except the first one which doesn't really make sense with the type of environment in L4D/L4D2. This isn't TF2 or CSS, you can't just join any server and start playing. If you want to do that, then remove your server from the lobby system and connect directly via IP. If you want to use a lobby, then use some combination of the many server CVARs to make it possible. You can't have it both ways, they conflict how eachother work. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Yeah it says: YO DAWG I HERD U LIKE SPAM SO WE REPLIED TO A SPAM POST WITH A SPAM POST SO YOUR INBOX CAN BE FULL OF BULLSHIT On Fri, 2009-11-20 at 18:33 -0600, Alex wrote: anyone speak russian here? Roman S wrote: ??? indeed. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4625 (20091120) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4625 (20091120) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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search_key and dedicated_force_servers. If you just want to... quick play, use the Quick Play option. Seriously - how is this difficult to grasp? How difficult is it for you to grasp that this is not intuitive and does not tell the player what the ping is to the server before they join? Using the search_key function is not ideal and is only effective if YOU are the Lobby Leader and know exactly what server you want to goto and know what the key and/or IP of that server is? It is flawed, and has been a complaint on the mailing lists since L4D launch a year ago. The Steam Group functions and the server lists were added into the game based on these complaints. Why you are so defensive over people not liking the way this currently functions is rather strange. It doesn't work very well, and the largest drawback to how it is all setup is that players cannot see the pings to the servers and select which empty server with a desired ping they want to join. and/or they expect things to exist (IE - server browser) that also do not make sense within the context of how the game operates. If the Quick Play option exists, there is no reason the server browser can't exist. People could enable the browser via the console in the first game, but the servers also had to enabled to be joined that way as well. The disabling of this function in both games is counter intuitive. And don't try to be sensationalist and compare this to another game that is totally unrelated. You just make yourself look stupid. Actually your attitude and insults just makes you look this way. The conversation was going just fine till you came here acting all high and mighty. If you are fine with how things work, and can't answer peoples questions and discuss the functionality without the attitude, then move along and stay out of the conversation. On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 4:20 PM, msleeper mslee...@ismsleeperwrong.comwrote: Well, again, if you want to choose what server you are going to, there are mechanisms set up for that - search_key and dedicated_force_servers. If you just want to... quick play, use the Quick Play option. Seriously - how is this difficult to grasp? The system is not flawed, people are just trying to use it to do things that do not exist within the context of how the game operates, and/or they expect things to exist (IE - server browser) that also do not make sense within the context of how the game operates. And don't try to be sensationalist and compare this to another game that is totally unrelated. You just make yourself look stupid. On Fri, 2009-11-20 at 15:50 -0800, shoskins73 wrote: you can't just join any server and start playing. Actually, yes you can, it's called Quick Play and is in the UI for all game modes. This is no different than selecting a server from a browser list (CSS/TF2)...except for one small thing, you don't get to choose which server you are actually joining. You can also join a game in progress from the Game Mode screens, but you can't see ping, who is currently playing, etc, etc. The system as it is now, is really flawed. Has been since they started it in L4D. Removing the ability for people to choose the server, see the status of said server before joining and then not including a UI function in the Lobby for joining a specific server is a step backwards. Almost as bad as MW2 not having dedicated servers at all. On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 3:34 PM, msleeper mslee...@ismsleeperwrong.com wrote: This seems like a lot of user error then since all of that stuff works for everyone else, or at least works as much as it is supposed to. Why doesn't search key work for you? You should investigate that. Why can't you actually connect to the server? That also seems like something that should be important to figure out. The search key and force dedicated servers lets you, as lobby leader, specify what servers you want to preference to. If the servers are full then you'll go to another server, just like you normally would. I don't get what you're not understanding. I should have the direct option of choosing a server (mine and my favorites) as well as the option of being matched to one. That's exactly what search key and/or force dedicated servers does. You specify a server to use, and if it is free then you go to it. Your little list of complains all work with minimal effort, except the first one which doesn't really make sense with the type of environment in L4D/L4D2. This isn't TF2 or CSS, you can't just join any server and start playing. If you want to do that, then remove your server from the lobby system and connect directly via IP. If you want to use a lobby, then use some combination of the many server CVARs to make it possible. You can't have it both ways, they conflict how eachother work. ___ To unsubscribe,
Re: [hlds] Server Key
I've already posted about it, and someone else has the same issue. I have the most basic of configs. It should work, and I have run many servers in the past with no issue. I don't get what you don't understand - these should all be GUI options - not things I have to set in the console (which is inaccessible while in a lobby) or bind to shortcut keys or to the startup options. The issues I'm having with getting the server to properly accept my lobby reservation are separate. From: mslee...@ismsleeperwrong.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:34:44 -0500 Subject: Re: [hlds] Server Key This seems like a lot of user error then since all of that stuff works for everyone else, or at least works as much as it is supposed to. Why doesn't search key work for you? You should investigate that. Why can't you actually connect to the server? That also seems like something that should be important to figure out. The search key and force dedicated servers lets you, as lobby leader, specify what servers you want to preference to. If the servers are full then you'll go to another server, just like you normally would. I don't get what you're not understanding. I should have the direct option of choosing a server (mine and my favorites) as well as the option of being matched to one. That's exactly what search key and/or force dedicated servers does. You specify a server to use, and if it is free then you go to it. Your little list of complains all work with minimal effort, except the first one which doesn't really make sense with the type of environment in L4D/L4D2. This isn't TF2 or CSS, you can't just join any server and start playing. If you want to do that, then remove your server from the lobby system and connect directly via IP. If you want to use a lobby, then use some combination of the many server CVARs to make it possible. You can't have it both ways, they conflict how eachother work. On Fri, 2009-11-20 at 15:24 -0800, Blood Letter wrote: Uh, search key doesn't work for me, and force dedicated server requires that I can actually connect to the server. I currently can not start a lobby and join the lobby to my server. I currently can not join my server directly from the steam group server list. I have to have someone outside of my lan join the server from the steam group list. Then and only then am I able to join the server (by joining their lobby explicitly or implicitly through the steam group server list). Joining the server normally results in a session no longer valid error when it attempts to connect. Using a search key results in absolutely nothing - the server is never found, and I never attempt to connect. And why would I set a default search key or force dedicated servers list? My server is public and I would only want to use it if it's free - otherwise I'm content joining whatever server I'm matched with (when I'm lobby leader). I can bind shortcuts. I can set launch options. I can get on my server which isn't functioning as it should. But I should have the direct option of choosing a server (mine and my favorites) as well as the option of being matched to one. It's not rocket science. I shouldn't have to jump through ANY hoops to: Open the game, get directly (no lobby screen) to my server or a favorite server, if available. Open the game, make a lobby, tell it to use my server or a favorite server, if available. Open the game, make a lobby, tell it to match me to an available server. From: mu...@anbservers.net To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:54:12 -0500 Subject: Re: [hlds] Server Key Add +sv_search_key key to launch options -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Johan Andersson Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 5:04 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Server Key bind F8 mm_dedicated_force_servers IPADRESS Press F8 before starting the search for a server. Couldn't be any easier tbh. -- From: Blood Letter bw_bloodlet...@hotmail.com Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 10:41 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Server Key Terrible solution. Nothing bugs me more than being a member of a bunch of pointless steam groups. (Well, automagically being joined to random steam groups for no reaosn bugs me a lot too.) I don't want that crap cluttering up my friends list. I don't want shitty updates about your steam group has an event in 5 minutes! popping up all the time. I shouldn't have to put up with that crap to maintain a list of servers I like. This is what server favorites was for.
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They should be GUI options, but they aren't. And complaining on this list isn't going to get valve to add it to L4D2. On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 6:40 PM, Blood Letter bw_bloodlet...@hotmail.comwrote: I've already posted about it, and someone else has the same issue. I have the most basic of configs. It should work, and I have run many servers in the past with no issue. I don't get what you don't understand - these should all be GUI options - not things I have to set in the console (which is inaccessible while in a lobby) or bind to shortcut keys or to the startup options. The issues I'm having with getting the server to properly accept my lobby reservation are separate. From: mslee...@ismsleeperwrong.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:34:44 -0500 Subject: Re: [hlds] Server Key This seems like a lot of user error then since all of that stuff works for everyone else, or at least works as much as it is supposed to. Why doesn't search key work for you? You should investigate that. Why can't you actually connect to the server? That also seems like something that should be important to figure out. The search key and force dedicated servers lets you, as lobby leader, specify what servers you want to preference to. If the servers are full then you'll go to another server, just like you normally would. I don't get what you're not understanding. I should have the direct option of choosing a server (mine and my favorites) as well as the option of being matched to one. That's exactly what search key and/or force dedicated servers does. You specify a server to use, and if it is free then you go to it. Your little list of complains all work with minimal effort, except the first one which doesn't really make sense with the type of environment in L4D/L4D2. This isn't TF2 or CSS, you can't just join any server and start playing. If you want to do that, then remove your server from the lobby system and connect directly via IP. If you want to use a lobby, then use some combination of the many server CVARs to make it possible. You can't have it both ways, they conflict how eachother work. On Fri, 2009-11-20 at 15:24 -0800, Blood Letter wrote: Uh, search key doesn't work for me, and force dedicated server requires that I can actually connect to the server. I currently can not start a lobby and join the lobby to my server. I currently can not join my server directly from the steam group server list. I have to have someone outside of my lan join the server from the steam group list. Then and only then am I able to join the server (by joining their lobby explicitly or implicitly through the steam group server list). Joining the server normally results in a session no longer valid error when it attempts to connect. Using a search key results in absolutely nothing - the server is never found, and I never attempt to connect. And why would I set a default search key or force dedicated servers list? My server is public and I would only want to use it if it's free - otherwise I'm content joining whatever server I'm matched with (when I'm lobby leader). I can bind shortcuts. I can set launch options. I can get on my server which isn't functioning as it should. But I should have the direct option of choosing a server (mine and my favorites) as well as the option of being matched to one. It's not rocket science. I shouldn't have to jump through ANY hoops to: Open the game, get directly (no lobby screen) to my server or a favorite server, if available. Open the game, make a lobby, tell it to use my server or a favorite server, if available. Open the game, make a lobby, tell it to match me to an available server. From: mu...@anbservers.net To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:54:12 -0500 Subject: Re: [hlds] Server Key Add +sv_search_key key to launch options -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Johan Andersson Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 5:04 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Server Key bind F8 mm_dedicated_force_servers IPADRESS Press F8 before starting the search for a server. Couldn't be any easier tbh. -- From: Blood Letter bw_bloodlet...@hotmail.com Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 10:41 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Server Key Terrible solution. Nothing bugs me more than being a member of a bunch of pointless steam groups. (Well, automagically being joined to random steam groups for no reaosn bugs me a lot too.) I don't want that crap cluttering up my friends list. I don't
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Makes complete sense. At least the Russian spammers are truthful about their intent. msleeper wrote: Yeah it says: YO DAWG I HERD U LIKE SPAM SO WE REPLIED TO A SPAM POST WITH A SPAM POST SO YOUR INBOX CAN BE FULL OF BULLSHIT On Fri, 2009-11-20 at 18:33 -0600, Alex wrote: anyone speak russian here? Roman S wrote: ??? indeed. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4625 (20091120) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4625 (20091120) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4625 (20091120) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4625 (20091120) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Server Key
And telling me to not complain on this list isn't going to stop me from doing it. What's your point? Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:44:34 -0600 From: gulf...@gmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Server Key They should be GUI options, but they aren't. And complaining on this list isn't going to get valve to add it to L4D2. On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 6:40 PM, Blood Letter bw_bloodlet...@hotmail.comwrote: I've already posted about it, and someone else has the same issue. I have the most basic of configs. It should work, and I have run many servers in the past with no issue. I don't get what you don't understand - these should all be GUI options - not things I have to set in the console (which is inaccessible while in a lobby) or bind to shortcut keys or to the startup options. The issues I'm having with getting the server to properly accept my lobby reservation are separate. From: mslee...@ismsleeperwrong.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:34:44 -0500 Subject: Re: [hlds] Server Key This seems like a lot of user error then since all of that stuff works for everyone else, or at least works as much as it is supposed to. Why doesn't search key work for you? You should investigate that. Why can't you actually connect to the server? That also seems like something that should be important to figure out. The search key and force dedicated servers lets you, as lobby leader, specify what servers you want to preference to. If the servers are full then you'll go to another server, just like you normally would. I don't get what you're not understanding. I should have the direct option of choosing a server (mine and my favorites) as well as the option of being matched to one. That's exactly what search key and/or force dedicated servers does. You specify a server to use, and if it is free then you go to it. Your little list of complains all work with minimal effort, except the first one which doesn't really make sense with the type of environment in L4D/L4D2. This isn't TF2 or CSS, you can't just join any server and start playing. If you want to do that, then remove your server from the lobby system and connect directly via IP. If you want to use a lobby, then use some combination of the many server CVARs to make it possible. You can't have it both ways, they conflict how eachother work. On Fri, 2009-11-20 at 15:24 -0800, Blood Letter wrote: Uh, search key doesn't work for me, and force dedicated server requires that I can actually connect to the server. I currently can not start a lobby and join the lobby to my server. I currently can not join my server directly from the steam group server list. I have to have someone outside of my lan join the server from the steam group list. Then and only then am I able to join the server (by joining their lobby explicitly or implicitly through the steam group server list). Joining the server normally results in a session no longer valid error when it attempts to connect. Using a search key results in absolutely nothing - the server is never found, and I never attempt to connect. And why would I set a default search key or force dedicated servers list? My server is public and I would only want to use it if it's free - otherwise I'm content joining whatever server I'm matched with (when I'm lobby leader). I can bind shortcuts. I can set launch options. I can get on my server which isn't functioning as it should. But I should have the direct option of choosing a server (mine and my favorites) as well as the option of being matched to one. It's not rocket science. I shouldn't have to jump through ANY hoops to: Open the game, get directly (no lobby screen) to my server or a favorite server, if available. Open the game, make a lobby, tell it to use my server or a favorite server, if available. Open the game, make a lobby, tell it to match me to an available server. From: mu...@anbservers.net To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:54:12 -0500 Subject: Re: [hlds] Server Key Add +sv_search_key key to launch options -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Johan Andersson Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 5:04 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Server Key bind F8 mm_dedicated_force_servers IPADRESS Press F8 before starting the search for a server. Couldn't be any easier tbh. -- From: Blood Letter bw_bloodlet...@hotmail.com Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 10:41 PM To:
Re: [hlds] Server Key
The point is that you're blowing hot air at a bunch of people that don't care. Get a blog or post your whining on steampowered. On Fri, 2009-11-20 at 16:56 -0800, Blood Letter wrote: And telling me to not complain on this list isn't going to stop me from doing it. What's your point? Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:44:34 -0600 From: gulf...@gmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Server Key They should be GUI options, but they aren't. And complaining on this list isn't going to get valve to add it to L4D2. On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 6:40 PM, Blood Letter bw_bloodlet...@hotmail.comwrote: I've already posted about it, and someone else has the same issue. I have the most basic of configs. It should work, and I have run many servers in the past with no issue. I don't get what you don't understand - these should all be GUI options - not things I have to set in the console (which is inaccessible while in a lobby) or bind to shortcut keys or to the startup options. The issues I'm having with getting the server to properly accept my lobby reservation are separate. From: mslee...@ismsleeperwrong.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:34:44 -0500 Subject: Re: [hlds] Server Key This seems like a lot of user error then since all of that stuff works for everyone else, or at least works as much as it is supposed to. Why doesn't search key work for you? You should investigate that. Why can't you actually connect to the server? That also seems like something that should be important to figure out. The search key and force dedicated servers lets you, as lobby leader, specify what servers you want to preference to. If the servers are full then you'll go to another server, just like you normally would. I don't get what you're not understanding. I should have the direct option of choosing a server (mine and my favorites) as well as the option of being matched to one. That's exactly what search key and/or force dedicated servers does. You specify a server to use, and if it is free then you go to it. Your little list of complains all work with minimal effort, except the first one which doesn't really make sense with the type of environment in L4D/L4D2. This isn't TF2 or CSS, you can't just join any server and start playing. If you want to do that, then remove your server from the lobby system and connect directly via IP. If you want to use a lobby, then use some combination of the many server CVARs to make it possible. You can't have it both ways, they conflict how eachother work. On Fri, 2009-11-20 at 15:24 -0800, Blood Letter wrote: Uh, search key doesn't work for me, and force dedicated server requires that I can actually connect to the server. I currently can not start a lobby and join the lobby to my server. I currently can not join my server directly from the steam group server list. I have to have someone outside of my lan join the server from the steam group list. Then and only then am I able to join the server (by joining their lobby explicitly or implicitly through the steam group server list). Joining the server normally results in a session no longer valid error when it attempts to connect. Using a search key results in absolutely nothing - the server is never found, and I never attempt to connect. And why would I set a default search key or force dedicated servers list? My server is public and I would only want to use it if it's free - otherwise I'm content joining whatever server I'm matched with (when I'm lobby leader). I can bind shortcuts. I can set launch options. I can get on my server which isn't functioning as it should. But I should have the direct option of choosing a server (mine and my favorites) as well as the option of being matched to one. It's not rocket science. I shouldn't have to jump through ANY hoops to: Open the game, get directly (no lobby screen) to my server or a favorite server, if available. Open the game, make a lobby, tell it to use my server or a favorite server, if available. Open the game, make a lobby, tell it to match me to an available server. From: mu...@anbservers.net To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:54:12 -0500 Subject: Re: [hlds] Server Key Add +sv_search_key key to launch options -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Johan Andersson Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 5:04 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Server Key
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Wow, Russian must be the most concise and to the point language ever to have that much meaning in such a short message. msleeper wrote: Yeah it says: YO DAWG I HERD U LIKE SPAM SO WE REPLIED TO A SPAM POST WITH A SPAM POST SO YOUR INBOX CAN BE FULL OF BULLSHIT On Fri, 2009-11-20 at 18:33 -0600, Alex wrote: anyone speak russian here? Roman S wrote: ??? indeed. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4625 (20091120) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4625 (20091120) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Oh shut up, you've been posting your dumb crap here for years, and you're why I left. Yes you, specifically. I came here for help about my problem, and all of one person has had the decency to even respond - luckily it was someone with the same problem. From: mslee...@ismsleeperwrong.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:00:09 -0500 Subject: Re: [hlds] Server Key The point is that you're blowing hot air at a bunch of people that don't care. Get a blog or post your whining on steampowered. On Fri, 2009-11-20 at 16:56 -0800, Blood Letter wrote: And telling me to not complain on this list isn't going to stop me from doing it. What's your point? Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:44:34 -0600 From: gulf...@gmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Server Key They should be GUI options, but they aren't. And complaining on this list isn't going to get valve to add it to L4D2. On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 6:40 PM, Blood Letter bw_bloodlet...@hotmail.comwrote: I've already posted about it, and someone else has the same issue. I have the most basic of configs. It should work, and I have run many servers in the past with no issue. I don't get what you don't understand - these should all be GUI options - not things I have to set in the console (which is inaccessible while in a lobby) or bind to shortcut keys or to the startup options. The issues I'm having with getting the server to properly accept my lobby reservation are separate. From: mslee...@ismsleeperwrong.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:34:44 -0500 Subject: Re: [hlds] Server Key This seems like a lot of user error then since all of that stuff works for everyone else, or at least works as much as it is supposed to. Why doesn't search key work for you? You should investigate that. Why can't you actually connect to the server? That also seems like something that should be important to figure out. The search key and force dedicated servers lets you, as lobby leader, specify what servers you want to preference to. If the servers are full then you'll go to another server, just like you normally would. I don't get what you're not understanding. I should have the direct option of choosing a server (mine and my favorites) as well as the option of being matched to one. That's exactly what search key and/or force dedicated servers does. You specify a server to use, and if it is free then you go to it. Your little list of complains all work with minimal effort, except the first one which doesn't really make sense with the type of environment in L4D/L4D2. This isn't TF2 or CSS, you can't just join any server and start playing. If you want to do that, then remove your server from the lobby system and connect directly via IP. If you want to use a lobby, then use some combination of the many server CVARs to make it possible. You can't have it both ways, they conflict how eachother work. On Fri, 2009-11-20 at 15:24 -0800, Blood Letter wrote: Uh, search key doesn't work for me, and force dedicated server requires that I can actually connect to the server. I currently can not start a lobby and join the lobby to my server. I currently can not join my server directly from the steam group server list. I have to have someone outside of my lan join the server from the steam group list. Then and only then am I able to join the server (by joining their lobby explicitly or implicitly through the steam group server list). Joining the server normally results in a session no longer valid error when it attempts to connect. Using a search key results in absolutely nothing - the server is never found, and I never attempt to connect. And why would I set a default search key or force dedicated servers list? My server is public and I would only want to use it if it's free - otherwise I'm content joining whatever server I'm matched with (when I'm lobby leader). I can bind shortcuts. I can set launch options. I can get on my server which isn't functioning as it should. But I should have the direct option of choosing a server (mine and my favorites) as well as the option of being matched to one. It's not rocket science. I shouldn't have to jump through ANY hoops to: Open the game, get directly (no lobby screen) to my server or a favorite server, if available. Open the game, make a lobby, tell it to use my server or a favorite server, if available. Open the game, make a lobby, tell it to match me
Re: [hlds] Server Key
I have only been actively posting since ~last year, but I appreciate it either way. But this also seems like a personal problem not suited for the list, and should be posted about on steampowered. On Fri, 2009-11-20 at 17:02 -0800, Blood Letter wrote: Oh shut up, you've been posting your dumb crap here for years, and you're why I left. Yes you, specifically. I came here for help about my problem, and all of one person has had the decency to even respond - luckily it was someone with the same problem. From: mslee...@ismsleeperwrong.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:00:09 -0500 Subject: Re: [hlds] Server Key The point is that you're blowing hot air at a bunch of people that don't care. Get a blog or post your whining on steampowered. On Fri, 2009-11-20 at 16:56 -0800, Blood Letter wrote: And telling me to not complain on this list isn't going to stop me from doing it. What's your point? Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:44:34 -0600 From: gulf...@gmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Server Key They should be GUI options, but they aren't. And complaining on this list isn't going to get valve to add it to L4D2. On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 6:40 PM, Blood Letter bw_bloodlet...@hotmail.comwrote: I've already posted about it, and someone else has the same issue. I have the most basic of configs. It should work, and I have run many servers in the past with no issue. I don't get what you don't understand - these should all be GUI options - not things I have to set in the console (which is inaccessible while in a lobby) or bind to shortcut keys or to the startup options. The issues I'm having with getting the server to properly accept my lobby reservation are separate. From: mslee...@ismsleeperwrong.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:34:44 -0500 Subject: Re: [hlds] Server Key This seems like a lot of user error then since all of that stuff works for everyone else, or at least works as much as it is supposed to. Why doesn't search key work for you? You should investigate that. Why can't you actually connect to the server? That also seems like something that should be important to figure out. The search key and force dedicated servers lets you, as lobby leader, specify what servers you want to preference to. If the servers are full then you'll go to another server, just like you normally would. I don't get what you're not understanding. I should have the direct option of choosing a server (mine and my favorites) as well as the option of being matched to one. That's exactly what search key and/or force dedicated servers does. You specify a server to use, and if it is free then you go to it. Your little list of complains all work with minimal effort, except the first one which doesn't really make sense with the type of environment in L4D/L4D2. This isn't TF2 or CSS, you can't just join any server and start playing. If you want to do that, then remove your server from the lobby system and connect directly via IP. If you want to use a lobby, then use some combination of the many server CVARs to make it possible. You can't have it both ways, they conflict how eachother work. On Fri, 2009-11-20 at 15:24 -0800, Blood Letter wrote: Uh, search key doesn't work for me, and force dedicated server requires that I can actually connect to the server. I currently can not start a lobby and join the lobby to my server. I currently can not join my server directly from the steam group server list. I have to have someone outside of my lan join the server from the steam group list. Then and only then am I able to join the server (by joining their lobby explicitly or implicitly through the steam group server list). Joining the server normally results in a session no longer valid error when it attempts to connect. Using a search key results in absolutely nothing - the server is never found, and I never attempt to connect. And why would I set a default search key or force dedicated servers list? My server is public and I would only want to use it if it's free - otherwise I'm content joining whatever server I'm matched with (when I'm lobby leader). I can bind shortcuts. I can set launch options. I can get on my server which isn't functioning as it should. But I should have the direct option of choosing a server (mine
[hlds] File download speeds
Hey all, As I'm sure we're all aware, by default SRCDS puts a speed limit on downloads when clients are downloading maps, mods, textures, whatever, from the server when they connect. I'm also sure we're all aware that we can use a HTTP/FTP redirect to allow fast downloads, but I'm curious if there is a way to get faster download speeds without having to set up a mirror - ie, can the artificial speed limit srcds imposes be bypassed by, say, a cvar or sourcemod plugin? Thanks -Chris ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Server Key
You are clueless. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Blood Letter bw_bloodlet...@hotmail.com Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:02:10 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Server Key Oh shut up, you've been posting your dumb crap here for years, and you're why I left. Yes you, specifically. I came here for help about my problem, and all of one person has had the decency to even respond - luckily it was someone with the same problem. From: mslee...@ismsleeperwrong.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:00:09 -0500 Subject: Re: [hlds] Server Key The point is that you're blowing hot air at a bunch of people that don't care. Get a blog or post your whining on steampowered. On Fri, 2009-11-20 at 16:56 -0800, Blood Letter wrote: And telling me to not complain on this list isn't going to stop me from doing it. What's your point? Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:44:34 -0600 From: gulf...@gmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Server Key They should be GUI options, but they aren't. And complaining on this list isn't going to get valve to add it to L4D2. On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 6:40 PM, Blood Letter bw_bloodlet...@hotmail.comwrote: I've already posted about it, and someone else has the same issue. I have the most basic of configs. It should work, and I have run many servers in the past with no issue. I don't get what you don't understand - these should all be GUI options - not things I have to set in the console (which is inaccessible while in a lobby) or bind to shortcut keys or to the startup options. The issues I'm having with getting the server to properly accept my lobby reservation are separate. From: mslee...@ismsleeperwrong.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:34:44 -0500 Subject: Re: [hlds] Server Key This seems like a lot of user error then since all of that stuff works for everyone else, or at least works as much as it is supposed to. Why doesn't search key work for you? You should investigate that. Why can't you actually connect to the server? That also seems like something that should be important to figure out. The search key and force dedicated servers lets you, as lobby leader, specify what servers you want to preference to. If the servers are full then you'll go to another server, just like you normally would. I don't get what you're not understanding. I should have the direct option of choosing a server (mine and my favorites) as well as the option of being matched to one. That's exactly what search key and/or force dedicated servers does. You specify a server to use, and if it is free then you go to it. Your little list of complains all work with minimal effort, except the first one which doesn't really make sense with the type of environment in L4D/L4D2. This isn't TF2 or CSS, you can't just join any server and start playing. If you want to do that, then remove your server from the lobby system and connect directly via IP. If you want to use a lobby, then use some combination of the many server CVARs to make it possible. You can't have it both ways, they conflict how eachother work. On Fri, 2009-11-20 at 15:24 -0800, Blood Letter wrote: Uh, search key doesn't work for me, and force dedicated server requires that I can actually connect to the server. I currently can not start a lobby and join the lobby to my server. I currently can not join my server directly from the steam group server list. I have to have someone outside of my lan join the server from the steam group list. Then and only then am I able to join the server (by joining their lobby explicitly or implicitly through the steam group server list). Joining the server normally results in a session no longer valid error when it attempts to connect. Using a search key results in absolutely nothing - the server is never found, and I never attempt to connect. And why would I set a default search key or force dedicated servers list? My server is public and I would only want to use it if it's free - otherwise I'm content joining whatever server I'm matched with (when I'm lobby leader). I can bind shortcuts. I can set launch options. I can get on my server which isn't functioning as it should. But I should have the direct option of choosing a server (mine and my favorites) as well as the option of being matched to one. It's not rocket science. I shouldn't have to jump through ANY hoops to: Open the game, get directly
Re: [hlds] Server Key
msleeper, stop trying to be the HLDS list police. You've been an arrogant jerk on here for as long as I can remember. All it takes is a brief look back at your response history to see you are an ass in most topics. Now please leave my topic alone and go elsewhere. I asked questions, they were answered. I asked a couple more questions and you derailed it into a flame-fest and those questions haven't been answered. Go away please. On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 6:50 PM, syate...@cfl.rr.com wrote: You are clueless. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Blood Letter bw_bloodlet...@hotmail.com Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:02:10 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Server Key Oh shut up, you've been posting your dumb crap here for years, and you're why I left. Yes you, specifically. I came here for help about my problem, and all of one person has had the decency to even respond - luckily it was someone with the same problem. From: mslee...@ismsleeperwrong.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:00:09 -0500 Subject: Re: [hlds] Server Key The point is that you're blowing hot air at a bunch of people that don't care. Get a blog or post your whining on steampowered. On Fri, 2009-11-20 at 16:56 -0800, Blood Letter wrote: And telling me to not complain on this list isn't going to stop me from doing it. What's your point? Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:44:34 -0600 From: gulf...@gmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Server Key They should be GUI options, but they aren't. And complaining on this list isn't going to get valve to add it to L4D2. On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 6:40 PM, Blood Letter bw_bloodlet...@hotmail.comwrote: I've already posted about it, and someone else has the same issue. I have the most basic of configs. It should work, and I have run many servers in the past with no issue. I don't get what you don't understand - these should all be GUI options - not things I have to set in the console (which is inaccessible while in a lobby) or bind to shortcut keys or to the startup options. The issues I'm having with getting the server to properly accept my lobby reservation are separate. From: mslee...@ismsleeperwrong.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:34:44 -0500 Subject: Re: [hlds] Server Key This seems like a lot of user error then since all of that stuff works for everyone else, or at least works as much as it is supposed to. Why doesn't search key work for you? You should investigate that. Why can't you actually connect to the server? That also seems like something that should be important to figure out. The search key and force dedicated servers lets you, as lobby leader, specify what servers you want to preference to. If the servers are full then you'll go to another server, just like you normally would. I don't get what you're not understanding. I should have the direct option of choosing a server (mine and my favorites) as well as the option of being matched to one. That's exactly what search key and/or force dedicated servers does. You specify a server to use, and if it is free then you go to it. Your little list of complains all work with minimal effort, except the first one which doesn't really make sense with the type of environment in L4D/L4D2. This isn't TF2 or CSS, you can't just join any server and start playing. If you want to do that, then remove your server from the lobby system and connect directly via IP. If you want to use a lobby, then use some combination of the many server CVARs to make it possible. You can't have it both ways, they conflict how eachother work. On Fri, 2009-11-20 at 15:24 -0800, Blood Letter wrote: Uh, search key doesn't work for me, and force dedicated server requires that I can actually connect to the server. I currently can not start a lobby and join the lobby to my server. I currently can not join my server directly from the steam group server list. I have to have someone outside of my lan join the server from the steam group list. Then and only then am I able to join the server (by joining their lobby explicitly or implicitly through the steam group server list). Joining the server normally results in a session no longer valid error when it attempts to connect. Using a search key results in absolutely nothing - the server is never found, and I never attempt to connect. And why would I set a default search key or force dedicated servers list? My server is public and I would
Re: [hlds] File download speeds
Not that I know of, unfortunately. Just about any http redirect will be better than serving through the server - just grab some free/cheap hosting. If you own the box, just throw up a free FTP server on it and point it to the same dir as the server itself, and then give it it's own subdomain (ftp.serverip). Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 13:47:42 +1100 From: chris_holma...@yahoo.com.au To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: [hlds] File download speeds Hey all, As I'm sure we're all aware, by default SRCDS puts a speed limit on downloads when clients are downloading maps, mods, textures, whatever, from the server when they connect. I'm also sure we're all aware that we can use a HTTP/FTP redirect to allow fast downloads, but I'm curious if there is a way to get faster download speeds without having to set up a mirror - ie, can the artificial speed limit srcds imposes be bypassed by, say, a cvar or sourcemod plugin? Thanks -Chris ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Windows 7: I wanted simpler, now it's simpler. I'm a rock star. http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?h=myidea?ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_myidea:112009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Server Key
I'm going to agree with msleeper here. I don't want to hear you whine about how search key and the force dedicated cvars aren't enough for you. I'll also agree with you that some integrated GUI stuff would be nice, but this really isn't the place for it. If people can't find your servers using them or if you don't know how to set them up on your server, fine, send email. This is for server discussions, not for OMG-VALVE-THIS-IS-WHY-YOUR-GAME-SUCKS discussions. Valve set up SPUF for that. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of msleeper Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 5:07 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Server Key I have only been actively posting since ~last year, but I appreciate it either way. But this also seems like a personal problem not suited for the list, and should be posted about on steampowered. On Fri, 2009-11-20 at 17:02 -0800, Blood Letter wrote: Oh shut up, you've been posting your dumb crap here for years, and you're why I left. Yes you, specifically. I came here for help about my problem, and all of one person has had the decency to even respond - luckily it was someone with the same problem. From: mslee...@ismsleeperwrong.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:00:09 -0500 Subject: Re: [hlds] Server Key The point is that you're blowing hot air at a bunch of people that don't care. Get a blog or post your whining on steampowered. On Fri, 2009-11-20 at 16:56 -0800, Blood Letter wrote: And telling me to not complain on this list isn't going to stop me from doing it. What's your point? Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:44:34 -0600 From: gulf...@gmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Server Key They should be GUI options, but they aren't. And complaining on this list isn't going to get valve to add it to L4D2. On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 6:40 PM, Blood Letter bw_bloodlet...@hotmail.comwrote: I've already posted about it, and someone else has the same issue. I have the most basic of configs. It should work, and I have run many servers in the past with no issue. I don't get what you don't understand - these should all be GUI options - not things I have to set in the console (which is inaccessible while in a lobby) or bind to shortcut keys or to the startup options. The issues I'm having with getting the server to properly accept my lobby reservation are separate. From: mslee...@ismsleeperwrong.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:34:44 -0500 Subject: Re: [hlds] Server Key This seems like a lot of user error then since all of that stuff works for everyone else, or at least works as much as it is supposed to. Why doesn't search key work for you? You should investigate that. Why can't you actually connect to the server? That also seems like something that should be important to figure out. The search key and force dedicated servers lets you, as lobby leader, specify what servers you want to preference to. If the servers are full then you'll go to another server, just like you normally would. I don't get what you're not understanding. I should have the direct option of choosing a server (mine and my favorites) as well as the option of being matched to one. That's exactly what search key and/or force dedicated servers does. You specify a server to use, and if it is free then you go to it. Your little list of complains all work with minimal effort, except the first one which doesn't really make sense with the type of environment in L4D/L4D2. This isn't TF2 or CSS, you can't just join any server and start playing. If you want to do that, then remove your server from the lobby system and connect directly via IP. If you want to use a lobby, then use some combination of the many server CVARs to make it possible. You can't have it both ways, they conflict how eachother work. On Fri, 2009-11-20 at 15:24 -0800, Blood Letter wrote: Uh, search key doesn't work for me, and force dedicated server requires that I can actually connect to the server. I currently can not start a lobby and join the lobby to my server. I currently can not join my server directly from the steam group server list. I have to have someone outside of my lan join the server from the steam group list. Then and only then am I able to join the server (by joining their lobby explicitly or implicitly through the steam group server list). Joining the server normally results in a session no longer valid error when it attempts to connect.
Re: [hlds] File download speeds
Hey Chris, Something to be aware of with regard to hosting maps on the typical shared hosting services most people use for websites. Nearly every shared hosting company has policies that don't allow you to host large quantities of files that are downloaded frequently and strain the shared servers they are on. Companies typically monitor this stuff with software tools they have and will outright cancel you or limit your bandwidth if they catch you doing it. This is because your downloads will impact the other users on these shared boxes, some of which will server hundreds of websites to keep their costs down. I was unaware of this until I found out he hard way with Hostmonster.com. After they found me sharing hundreds of maps, sounds, player models, etc, they throttled my bandwidth way back and people started taking forever to get their downloads. I spent days searching for a new host and chose Justhost.com after speaking to their Live-chat to confirm I could host files for CSS. They said it would be fine but they too threatened to cancel me after seeing the high volume of downloads I had. My community hosts a couple servers with lots of custom content and we get a couple hundred new players per day that have to download constantly for Gungame. We have our own dedicated Windows 2008 server box with a ton of bandwidth. What I ended up doing was moving all my CSS content files to the same server box as my games and created my own http download site from the same box my games are on using IIS. I no longer need to depend on a 3rd party for my CSS http service, management of my stuff is now easier and there are no limits to what I can host. As far as download speeds, they are faster on my own box than the shared hosting I was using and the downloads have absolutely no affect on the 6 gameservers I'm running on the box. I encourage anyone to try it. It works great for us and I've been doing this for over a year without a hitch. Take care, Mike Vail -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Blood Letter Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 7:27 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] File download speeds Not that I know of, unfortunately. Just about any http redirect will be better than serving through the server - just grab some free/cheap hosting. If you own the box, just throw up a free FTP server on it and point it to the same dir as the server itself, and then give it it's own subdomain (ftp.serverip). Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 13:47:42 +1100 From: chris_holma...@yahoo.com.au To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: [hlds] File download speeds Hey all, As I'm sure we're all aware, by default SRCDS puts a speed limit on downloads when clients are downloading maps, mods, textures, whatever, from the server when they connect. I'm also sure we're all aware that we can use a HTTP/FTP redirect to allow fast downloads, but I'm curious if there is a way to get faster download speeds without having to set up a mirror - ie, can the artificial speed limit srcds imposes be bypassed by, say, a cvar or sourcemod plugin? Thanks -Chris ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Windows 7: I wanted simpler, now it's simpler. I'm a rock star. http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?h=myidea?ocid=PID247 27::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_myidea:112009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] The Session is No Longer Available
Unfortunately that's not the issue, as the servers are receiving the lobby reservations and accepting them fine. The problem is when on a NAT network, somewhere in the lobby reservation part of things it forgets which client reserved the lobby, and whenever the reserving client tries to connect, it get's rejected. Plus it is still impossible to connect to a server through NAT loopback. I shouldn't need to DMZ my box if I have my ports forwarded. David Graham wrote: I find I have to use +mm_force_dedicated_server and +sv_search_key, once I've done that I can create a lobby and then invite friends and then it will connect to my restricted server, I have it set to only allow lobby connections. On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Blood Letter bw_bloodlet...@hotmail.comwrote: Yup. Can you try opening the console and doing the ol' connect IP:port ? Try with your lan IP (should fail), then try with your wan IP (might work). I've noticed that when I simply click on the server from my steam group list, it tries to connect via the lan ip (and fails). If I try to connect to an existing lobby, it works. Probably because connecting to a lobby results in feeding a connect ip:port statement with the wan ip, not the lan ip. Once this is figured out / patched / whatever, I need to figure out how to get the search key working with it. I don't like having to join the server (when I can) and then call a vote / rcon to switch game type, map, and difficulty. I'd much rather prefer to join/create a lobby, let it fill up, and throw the search key in to get to my server. (Valve also needs to fix the bug where youc an't bring up the console while in the lobby). When I try this now, all I get lots of waiting then bam, I'm running a local server. There's no popup message asking if you would like to run a local server (like there was in L4D). Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:40:47 +0800 From: clontar...@iinet.net.au To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] The Session is No Longer Available The issue seems to have something to do with lobby reservation. I don't know if you see this too, but if you create a lobby on the NAT side of things, the server will complain about bogus payload data, and then show the reservation. I can confirm that reserving the lobby from outside the NAT seems to be fine. It's almost as if the NAT client reserves the lobby, then the server accepts, then ignores it... Blood Letter wrote: Looks like having someone else join the server (from outside the lan) works fine. Then I can join just fine. Weird... From: bw_bloodlet...@hotmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 20:51:58 -0800 Subject: Re: [hlds] The Session is No Longer Available Really? No one else has this issue? Can someone with a working config behind a nat post their server.cfg and command line? From: bw_bloodlet...@hotmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:26:47 -0800 Subject: Re: [hlds] The Session is No Longer Available Zero problems when running with sv_lan 1. Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 13:05:37 +0800 From: clontar...@iinet.net.au To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] The Session is No Longer Available Yes, on a Linux server. Are you running it behind a NAT firewall? We were told that using mm_dedicated_force_servers public|private would fix this, but it doesn't. Test this for me, if you start with +sv_lan 1 does it then work flawlessly? Blood Letter wrote: Anyone getting this? Windows. --command line-- srcds.exe -console -game left4dead2 -maxplayers 8 -ip 192.168.1.11 -port 27015 -nohltv +sv_lan 0 +map c1m1_hotel --server.cfg-- hostname Love Me Sexy rcon_password password sv_steamgroup 12345 sv_steamgroup_exclusive 1 sv_search_key searchkey Forwarding pots 27000-27015 to 192.168.1.11 . ?? _ Windows 7: I wanted simpler, now it's simpler. I'm a rock star. http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?h=myidea?ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_myidea:112009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Bing brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place.
